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the big request for HELP from Russia!
dontinterrupt:
JFM, I think you are doing much better than you think! And your dedication to the movie is really admirable, because it is an extremely challenging task to translate something so culturally-defined to another language with a whole different culture and for it to still make sense and retain its meaning and powerfulness! Any questions you got, you keem 'em coming, it's really interesting to see how people of different nationalities interpret the same phrases differently.
Btw, I watched BBM with Polish subs once and I gotta say the poles did a very good job :) oh, and in Polish ver Jack Nasty = Jack Zboczeniec (zboczeniec= pervert, it's a very strong word), I liked this one more than the original even :D
dontinterrupt:
Oh, and just a thought, with regards to conscription in the US in 1963. If I recall correctly, the US Army had the 'Conscientious objector' programme at that time, meaning that one could refuse being drafted on the basis that he is sincerely against war in any form. But I think being openly a conscientious objector then was just as infamous as being queer. Food for thought I guess :)
Monika:
--- Quote from: JackFromMoscow on January 18, 2015, 07:21:11 pm ---I really appreciate that my topic has made the whole discussion!
And I'm very sorry, as I said, my English is poor and I need some words from your messages to translate. It takes much time.
So this topic is another big job for me. Because I want to understand every word of BB.
Speaking of army, it seems I've chosen not a good word -- employment. Look, what I wanted to say.
How is it in Russia. When you become 18 years old, you have to join our army. It is just one year you should be there. You can avoid it (not join) only having problems with health. So, as I said earlier, it's quite dangerous here to join the Army these days -- I'm not about being sent to war, but danger is all what happening there. So there are a lot of guys who just afraid to join it; and a lot of mothers who don't want their sons join it. We have very widespreaded corruption here, so you can just pay some money (about 3000$ as I know) to "get" a decease.
So I just want to know, how was it in US in 1963. In fact, I just need Ennis's phrase to say in Russian:
Are you going to join the army, Jack, voluntarily/of one's own accord/of one's own free will (these are from dictionary for better understanding)
OR
What about army? Won't it get you?
So the point is, does Jack want to join or he has to join.
I hope I make it clear.
It's terrible having such — maybe, not really bad, — but slooooooooow English.
P.S. For you to know, this post took 25 minutes.
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It's good to have you here, thanks for taking the time and effort to communicate with us!
I'm Swedish, don't speak a word of Russian I'm afraid.
southendmd:
Thanks for clarifying, dontinterrupt. I see the confusion with the word 'employment.'
There is no obligatory military service in the US, like in Russia, Israel and other countries. Military service is voluntary, but in the Vietnam era, there was the draft. However, the draft was random, as there was a lottery that "ranked" people by random birthdays. If your birthday was high on the list, you'd likely be drafted. But, if your birthday was low on the list, you might never be drafted.
So, Ennis is asking "And the army didn't get you?" to mean "So you weren't drafted?" And then Jack explains his rodeo injuries that would have prevented him from getting drafted. (As an aside, I miss Ennis saying "sure seem in one piece to me".)
southendmd:
--- Quote from: dontinterrupt on January 18, 2015, 07:58:53 pm ---Btw, I watched BBM with Polish subs once and I gotta say the poles did a very good job :) oh, and in Polish ver Jack Nasty = Jack Zboczeniec (zboczeniec= pervert, it's a very strong word), I liked this one more than the original even :D
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Thanks, dontinterrupt! I'll add Jack Zboczeniec to my collection.
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