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Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on March 29, 2015, 04:57:16 pm ---I thought the images were very interesting and appropriate to discuss during Holy Week. I am not surprised that some Christians do not accept this vision of Christ's ministry, but I continue to be heartened by the growing acceptance of Gay Christians in even some of the most fundamental of Christian denominations.
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And not jus gay Christians, but also gay people who feel call to serve in the ordained ministry. One of the best and most personally meaningful sermons I've ever heard was preached by the seminary intern that we have serving in my church; he's gay and partnered.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: brian on March 29, 2015, 05:24:43 pm ---Last week I sat behind 2 ladies in church who were obviously new to Anglican liturgy. My only interaction with them was to exchange the peace.
On monday night I received a phone call from the curate of my church. He is evangelical, unlike my vicar and bishop, and I had an hour long session with him last year in which he told me he is moving towards acceptance of gay marriage.
Anyway his call was because he was worried I my have overheard one of the women. He said they are new Christians and live near me and one made a very homophobic comment to him. He told her she should not say that as there are gay Christians in our congregation. I told him I do get upset about official comments but would not take much notice of a visitor even if I had overheard her. However it was nice of him to phone and show concern.
My vicar and bishop are very supportive of same sex marriage ( a reason for moving to live here) but they are a little cowed (in my opinion) by the nosiy opponents who threaten to leave. I would say 'good riddance' but understand they cannot do that so easily.
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thanks for sharing that experience, I think that this experience is being repeated over and over again in the Christian communities across the country. I was raised Southern Baptist and have sporadically attended church most of my life : Easter, Christmas, etc. increasingly I am finding that it is not rare for Southern Baptist Convention churches to as congregations welcome warmly not only single gays but gay couples. My own church, although a member of the SBC (which as a convention does not look kindly on same sex marriage), has always been inclusive and open to gays. in fact I joined that church specifically because my friend Van Cliburn was a member of that church, and as most know Van was openly gay going back to at least the 1980's.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 29, 2015, 07:12:19 pm ---And not jus gay Christians, but also gay people who feel call to serve in the ordained ministry. One of the best and most personally meaningful sermons I've ever heard was preached by the seminary intern that we have serving in my church; he's gay and partnered.
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that is great to hear Jeff. certainly Gay people have a ministry not only to other gays, but to the community at large. the community at large can benefit from the perspective of those who are in the tiny minority, we often see things that others don't.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on March 29, 2015, 09:14:09 pm ---that is great to hear Jeff. certainly Gay people have a ministry not only to other gays, but to the community at large. the community at large can benefit from the perspective of those who are in the tiny minority, we often see things that others don't.
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Yes, that's quite true. And they can also show that minorities can be subject to the same experiences and problems as everyone else. For example, that sermon I mentioned actually had nothing to do with gay people. It was only incidentally delivered by a gay seminarian. The subject actually concerned an experience he and his partner had with a homeless panhandler--something that can happen to anybody waiting for a bus or a subway in this city. It was a very good sermon. I think the young fellow has a good future as a preacher.
Let's just say his sermon has stuck with me more than any of our rector's sermons! :laugh:
CellarDweller:
--- Quote from: brian on March 29, 2015, 05:24:43 pm ---Last week I sat behind 2 ladies in church who were obviously new to Anglican liturgy. My only interaction with them was to exchange the peace.
On monday night I received a phone call from the curate of my church. He is evangelical, unlike my vicar and bishop, and I had an hour long session with him last year in which he told me he is moving towards acceptance of gay marriage.
Anyway his call was because he was worried I my have overheard one of the women. He said they are new Christians and live near me and one made a very homophobic comment to him. He told her she should not say that as there are gay Christians in our congregation. I told him I do get upset about official comments but would not take much notice of a visitor even if I had overheard her. However it was nice of him to phone and show concern.
My vicar and bishop are very supportive of same sex marriage ( a reason for moving to live here) but they are a little cowed (in my opinion) by the nosiy opponents who threaten to leave. I would say 'good riddance' but understand they cannot do that so easily.
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This was great to read, I'm glad he cared enough to contact you.
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