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BBM_victim:
If you have any thoughts on the other points, would be glad to hear! :D

Front-Ranger:

--- Quote from: BBM_victim on April 19, 2017, 02:49:12 am --- Jack is really hurting inside when they pick up their stuff and put it in the truck. Because he knows it's a repeated parting from Ennis. He is sooo sad and angry already. Then he hears that Ennis cannot make it to their next meeting in August - another blow for him. He is disappointed, crushed and - above all - angry. But he tries not to direct that anger to Ennis directly because i feel he understands that Ennis is doing his best.

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That is a very moving interpretation!


--- Quote from: BBM_victim on April 19, 2017, 02:49:12 am ---By the way, for me it is harder to watch Jack's face at this point than his face upon Ennis driving away after the dozy embrace. While in the latter one Jack looks kind of determined and like he had calmed down or has accepted his feelings, in the former he looks like in real, great, great pain. May i post these two here?




He looks like so close to tears... Like he's knowing what Ennis is going to say and that it will hurt as hell - both of them. He wished they could stop hurting each other at this moment, but cannot help his feelings and need for some word of truth spoken either. The acting here is so so great.....

Sorry, this is my thread for trying to understand things, so i need to post all this.

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Certainly, go for it, friend! I like your posts about Jack's facial expressions. I hadn't thought about it that much, and you descriptions help me understand Jake's performance better!


--- Quote from: BBM_victim on April 19, 2017, 02:49:12 am ---I know i wrote in a different thread that i think Jack would leave Ennis out of love, but i think i have to take that back. I don't think so anymore. I feel they would definitely stay together and Ennis would make some changes. For sure!!!

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I agree!

BBM_victim:
Hey, F-R,

You know i came to think of Jack's last shot that he's thinking "We got a do somethin' 'bout this food situation...". He looks just so determined. Which would lead to the conclusion that he was thinking about "quitting" Ennis, but as his dad said, it never came to pass. And i'm sure he would be there for November meet up.


Do you have any opinions on the original questions? Because i have another one now.

6. In the short story (at the beginning) where it says about Ennis having had a dream of Jack, it says "... lets a panel of the dream slide forward. If
he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old,...". English being not my mother-tongue, this sentence seems to be contradictory. Does this mean that Ennis does *not* want the dream to "stoke the day, rewarm that old...", so he forces his attention on it by sliding a panel of the dream forward? Mm?  ???

Front-Ranger:

--- Quote from: BBM_victim on April 24, 2017, 04:37:05 am ---6. In the short story (at the beginning) where it says about Ennis having had a dream of Jack, it says "... lets a panel of the dream slide forward. If
he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old,...". English being not my mother-tongue, this sentence seems to be contradictory. Does this mean that Ennis does *not* want the dream to "stoke the day, rewarm that old...", so he forces his attention on it by sliding a panel of the dream forward? Mm?  ???

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Americans are not very good about using pronouns and this is an example of that. I think that when Proulx wrote "it" she meant two slightly different things, so the sentence could read, "If he does not force his attention on what the dream means, the memory might stoke the day, rewarm that old..." And the reference to "a panel" of the dream was discussed at great length in an issue of Film Quarterly where artists' general penchant for "flattening" life in contemporary art (particularly Westerns) was discussed, including references to Richard Price and Madonna. I could go into other aspects of flattening, such as the flattened harmonica and Lightning Flat, but then I might get carried away again. I'll address your other questions in separate posts here.

Front-Ranger:

--- Quote from: BBM_victim on February 10, 2017, 12:40:24 am ---5. During the final lake argument scene Jack exclaims "Y'know, you had a fuckin' week to say some li'l word about this. Oh man, why is it we're always
in the friggin' cold?! We ought a go south where it's warm! You know, we ought a go to Mexico!". Just why does he go suddenly to complaining about the temperature?? Even in the short story it's the same. I cannot follow his thoughts / feelings at this moment... It feels so abrupt, sudden and out of place... Please enlighten me?

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Jack and Ennis never say the word "love" to each other, and, indeed, Annie Proulx doesn't say it either, so she must rely on metaphors, similes and the like. Heat, light and fire stand in for love/passion and cold stands in for rejection and the death of love. The confrontation you refer to happens in May in the story, but May in Wyoming can be very cold. Just as they were parting after a week together, Ennis spills the beans about not being able to get together again until November, instead of August as they had originally planned. "What in hell happened a August?" Jack cries out. Was he thinking also about that August nearly two decades prior when they were parted by a premature snowstorm that didn't last an hour? I think so.

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