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Corax:
--- Quote from: BBM_victim on October 01, 2017, 09:33:56 pm ---
I agree, this is something i was wondering about, too. If they had their "sweet life" - would it work?
So, basically, the conditions for Ennis' safe place are pretty narrow and partly he limits it himself.
Lets say Ennis somehow manages to put himself together, or Jack somehow manages to pressure/convince Ennis and they live together.
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I have to admit that I never ever thought that living together was a realistic idea of both of them. J was a dreamer and most of his stories were hot air. Consider that he complained about the situation but didn't DO anything himself to change it. He just drove back and forth once or twice a year. When I answered the question I imagined that they got together more often ;) once in a month or maybe once in a week (if Jack had finally gotten his a into g, split up with Lureen and moved closer to Riverton)
Considering the time and the two characters - no way of living together.
Corax:
--- Quote --- I know this pattern very well, except i'm on the "catching" side. Believe me, it drives you crazy.. Especially because it never goes away. You might think your (paranoid) partner and you mastered a difficult situation, some lesson was learnt and you think same kind of problem will not come up again - well, think again...
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I know what it's like to be in this situation ... I was on the running/hiding side very often.. .. 😕😶
BBM_victim:
--- Quote from: CellarDweller on October 06, 2017, 07:54:44 pm ---I remember having a discussion about this years ago. There were a few people who felt that their love stayed so intense because they were never together enough to get tired of each other.
:laugh:
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Well, Chuck, and what are *your* own thoughts on the question asked?
--- Quote from: Corax on October 07, 2017, 04:34:49 am ---I have to admit that I never ever thought that living together was a realistic idea of both of them. J was a dreamer and most of his stories were hot air. Consider that he complained about the situation but didn't DO anything himself to change it. He just drove back and forth once or twice a year. When I answered the question I imagined that they got together more often ;) once in a month or maybe once in a week (if Jack had finally gotten his a into g, split up with Lureen and moved closer to Riverton)
Considering the time and the two characters - no way of living together.
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You know, Corax, i do sympathize with Jack, though. I don't think he was a type who just produced hot air to impress or to pose. In my understanding of his character he was afraid, too. He saw himself stuck and could not think of any way out that would work. Or in other words, he could not bring up enough courage to actually try any of his ideas. Reasons for these being:
One, he loves Ennis and feels his fears, understands that Ennis is torn himself and deeply hurting while at the same time needing to be with Jack. You need to have quite an ego to just forget about all of this and just move up (closer) to Riverton to insist on your idea of living together. And don't forget Jack knows that Ennis loves his girls, too. Jack is not an egoist at all. He is someone who is very shy about himself, someone who would always put Ennis' sorrows before his own. So, no way he can just do something without Ennis' approval.
Two, since Jack loves Ennis, he is prone to trust him - this is a natural thing, isn't it? If you love somebody there is something that makes you respect that person and, therefore, trust his / her judgement. So, what if Ennis is right about his fears? I think anytime Jack is close to just fuck it and do something to change their situation he is seized by doubts - what if Ennis is right and either one or both of them end up dead? What if his decisive move causes nothing but greater pain than what they are in right now?
Three, you have to consider that the short story as well as the movie do not show us all of their times together and all of their discussions. We don't know how much they talked about that idea in the first place. In fact, i think the scene at the river in the movie where Ennis is frustrated about Jack suggesting moving to Texas indicates that they had several talks on the subject and that the outcome was always the same: two men living together - no way. By the way, some people say that this scene also indicates that Ennis had his own fantasies on the idea and that he actually did want to live together, but just never saw it work out.
CellarDweller:
--- Quote from: BBM_victim on October 09, 2017, 10:00:09 pm ---Well, Chuck, and what are *your* own thoughts on the question asked?
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I'm not sure. I'd like to think that their love would've lasted a lifetime together. In reality, love doesn't always last.
BBM_victim:
--- Quote from: CellarDweller on October 11, 2017, 07:23:40 pm ---In reality, love doesn't always last.
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That's true, Chuck. And especially if the two people are not working for it. For these two there would be *lots* of work involved...
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