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NC-17 RATED FUN: LET'S GET REAL HERE--How Many of Us Have Been SWOONING Nonstop?
MaineWriter:
--- Quote from: rtprod on April 06, 2006, 04:56:19 pm ---Too bad Alma wasn't more like the women here when she peered out through the screen door.
Maybe her marriage would have lasted, or at least been energized, by what she had seen... Maybe a little "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" would have gone a looooong way!
Barb? Mandy? Leslie? Anyone? ;D
rt
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Well, unfortunately, given the person she was and the time she was in, that was not going to happen, was it? It was 1967. At that point, wasn't homosexuality still listed in the DSM (the psych book) as a mental illness? (I can't remember exactly when it got taken out but for some reason I am thinking 1974). Just three years before (1964) there was that article in Life magazine that basically said all homosexuals were perverts.
Even if it was the present, I don't think Alma would have been accepting of a "beat 'em, join 'em" scenario, or even an more open marriage where she and Ennis had come to some sort of understanding regarding his "fishing trips." For me, it is an issue of love. I don't think there was a real strong foundation of love in their marriage and to be able to be open, understanding, and ultimately accepting really requires a pretty deep commitment and a high degree of maturity, something I didn't see in either of them while they were married. Ennis did grow up at the end, but that was long after their marriage was over.
The one thing that surprises me in the movie, and in some ways doesn't ring true, was the fact that she accepted, or at least put up with, anal intercourse. For alot of women, that is the ultimate taboo. They may try alot of other stuff but not that. Alma didn't seem particularly sexually inventive or assertive so to go along with this...in my mind it was put in the movie to show that Ennis was, in fact, gay (in that he preferred that type of intercourse) but I don't know how realistic that is, either. This is the point where my woman experience begins to fail me in matters homosexual.
This is probably the most serious post on this thread, so far! LOL
rtprod:
Hi Leslie,
I'm with you on all of this, however one small caveat or addition.
You said:
--- Quote --- in my mind it was put in the movie to show that Ennis was, in fact, gay (in that he preferred that type of intercourse)
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I would argue it is put in the story and film to show that Ennis is unable to let go of the erotic pull to the glory days up on Brokeback, with Jack, and less a sign of him being gay (which I wholeheartedly believe he is). He's clearly thinking of Jack each time he rolls her over.
rt
MaineWriter:
--- Quote from: houstonangel88 on April 06, 2006, 05:19:22 pm ---
--- Quote ---.in my mind it was put in the movie to show that Ennis was..
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Leslie, it WAS in the book. Check your story to screenplay page 9 last paragraph..
"working at it until she shuddered and bucked against his hand and he rolled her over, did quickly wht she hate..."
She hated it, but went along with it. I guess that was her personality. She suppressed her feeling too. Only to blow up in the kitchen scene few years after..
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Point taken. Yes, it was in the book and it was also in the movie. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
MaineWriter:
--- Quote from: rtprod on April 06, 2006, 05:25:46 pm ---Hi Leslie,
I'm with you on all of this, however one small caveat or addition.
You said:
--- Quote --- in my mind it was put in the movie to show that Ennis was, in fact, gay (in that he preferred that type of intercourse)
--- End quote ---
I would argue it is put in the story and film to show that Ennis is unable to let go of the erotic pull to the glory days up on Brokeback, with Jack, and less a sign of him being gay (which I wholeheartedly believe he is). He's clearly thinking of Jack each time he rolls her over.
rt
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Very well said, thanks for that rt. I think that was what I was trying to get at, but didn't have the right words.
dmmb_Mandy:
--- Quote ---How does a woman "Jack-off" by the way? Please excuse my ignorance.
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Houstonangel: With everything/anything that you can find that works ;)
Man, I am DEFINITELY saying "gun's going off" the next time I have sex. I'll keep ya posted with the results!
Barb - we're on, beeotch! *takes out rope* ;)
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