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Jack and Alma
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 01, 2006, 12:34:43 pm ---That's what I figured. Is it an Australian phrase, or am I just living a sheltered life?
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Nope, not Australian, sheltered life I think. Off the top of my head, Bill and Ted said it in Bogus Journey.
Rayn:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on May 01, 2006, 04:12:39 am ---
--- Quote from: Rayn on May 01, 2006, 01:48:00 am ---Now a run-out horse isn't a "positive" thing. Worn-out and trembling from fatique isn't a good feeling. And I don't see how a person's body shaking from head to boot can be a good thing. I believe that's why Ennis notices this and gets them out of there quickly. I will admit that it's possible that with the fear of meeting Alma, Jack is also feeling the excitement and urgency of meeting Ennis again; I'll go that far, but there clearly is a great deal of nervous fear in Jack as well.
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Well I've always taken Jack's shaking to be because he's just had the most electrying, passsionate, knock your socks off, check your chubby, and swoon-worthy kiss of his life. In my mind, that's about as good a thing as you get!
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Well, if I put myself in Jack's boots and imagine how I might feel in that situation, I'd be overjoyed to see & kiss Ennis and nervous and scared to meet Alma.... and I would feel double the fear if I were sportin' a woody in my wrangler jeans to match her husband's.
Come on guys, these men are trying to hide what they feel. Why? Because of the fear of being discovered. Jack won't even go into the house to have coffee the next morning. Do you think that's because he' s relaxed, comfortable and fearless about the situation?
It's actually rude of him not to spend a little more time with Alma. I mean, he's taking her husband from her for days, but the combination of urgency, fear and discomfort around Alma is greater than any need for "proper" manners.
I don't think what I'm saying can be overlooked without missing some human truth about feelings there, but if that's what you wanna do, then all I can do is agree to disagree...
Peace,
Rayn
starboardlight:
--- Quote from: Rayn on May 03, 2006, 01:23:44 am ---
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on May 01, 2006, 04:12:39 am ---
--- Quote from: Rayn on May 01, 2006, 01:48:00 am ---Now a run-out horse isn't a "positive" thing. Worn-out and trembling from fatique isn't a good feeling. And I don't see how a person's body shaking from head to boot can be a good thing. I believe that's why Ennis notices this and gets them out of there quickly. I will admit that it's possible that with the fear of meeting Alma, Jack is also feeling the excitement and urgency of meeting Ennis again; I'll go that far, but there clearly is a great deal of nervous fear in Jack as well.
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Well I've always taken Jack's shaking to be because he's just had the most electrying, passsionate, knock your socks off, check your chubby, and swoon-worthy kiss of his life. In my mind, that's about as good a thing as you get!
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Well, if I put myself in Jack's boots and imagine how I might feel in that situation, I'd be overjoyed to see & kiss Ennis and nervous and scared to meet Alma.... and I would feel double the fear if I were sportin' a woody in my wrangler jeans to match her husband's.
Come on guys, these men are trying to hide what they feel. Why? Because of the fear of being discovered. Jack won't even go into the house to have coffee the next morning. Do you think that's because he' s relaxed, comfortable and fearless about the situation?
It's actually rude of him not to spend a little more time with Alma. I mean, he's taking her husband from her for days, but the combination of urgency, fear and discomfort around Alma is greater than any need for "proper" manners.
I don't think what I'm saying can be overlooked without missing some human truth about feelings there, but if that's what you wanna do, then all I can do is agree to disagree...
Peace,
Rayn
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I see your point Rayn. I do think that nervousness is there. It's visible in Jake's portrayal, I think. But I think we were trying to figure out his shaking. While Jack might have been scared to meet Alma, I do think that it's his excitement to see Ennis that is dominant in him. To me the shaking comes from the electricity running through him from that kiss, not from being scared.
RouxB:
Funny-I have never interpreted the shaking to mean anything other than excitement from the reunion with Ennis. "Run out horse" does not have a negative connotation to me-just a description of the trembling. Jack had no interest in anything or anyone but Ennis.
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Rayn:
Some of us are looking at the story and the movie at the same time, in case anyone is wondering. Brokeback Mt. is both to me. If you wanna talk only about one or the other, let us know.
"Trembling like a run-out horse" means like a "worn out horse"... it's also like tired-out or exhausted. If you know horses, have ridden them a lot and taken care of them, you know it's not a positive thing... just ask any horse and if you don't believe the horse, ask Annie.
Being around horses, she knows; so do I.
There are some things that aren't open to interpretation, like definitions of words and common knowledge, you know? I guess knowledge of horses isn't all that common.
Yours truly,
Rayn
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