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Wayne:
If karma really does come around, then I am concerned for the safety of the United States.

Saddam was hanged for killing people in 1982 during the Reagan years when US money was pouring into his bank account.



Anybody remember the details? Weren't we supporting him in the war against Iran? And secretly sending guns to Iran as well?

How come we had to invade and overthrow him 20 years later when he had stopped killing?

injest:
Delalluvia

I didn't say that gays and blacks that have been lynched are the same as Saddam...I am saying the PROCESS is the same....

the Shites do not have a just system set up...and there was no fair trial here. We supported Saddam publically while he murdered people. and now we turn him over to a 'drumhead' trial. Letting other people do things we can not does not absolve us of guilt. I guess we will never know now just how much we supported him...and what deals he had made with our leaders.

and the ONE thing I have learned from being online? Not everything the news tells us is true.

Your first line was you support the death penalty. You didn't qualify it.

delalluvia:

--- Quote from: wdj on December 30, 2006, 04:37:27 pm ---If karma really does come around, then I am concerned for the safety of the United States.

--- End quote ---

Don't worry.  Karma is offset by lots of things.  I don't think Saddam had as many good points to offset the bad.

Lynne:
I thought this was interesting and not completely off-topic.  It's an excerpt from Matthew Shepard's father's speech at one of his murderer's sentencing.  The full text of his speech is here:

http://www.wiredstrategies.com/mrshep.htm

"Mr. McKinney, one final comment before I sit, and this is the reason that I stand before you now. At no time since Matt was found at the fence and taken to the hospital have Judy and I made any statements about our beliefs concerning the death penalty. We felt that that would be an undue influence on any prospective juror. Judy has been quoted by some right-wing groups as being against the death penalty. It has been stated that Matt was against the death penalty. Both of these statements are wrong. We have held family discussions and talked about the death penalty. Matt believed that there were incidents and crimes that justified the death penalty. For example, he and I discussed the horrible death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. It was his opinion that the death penalty should be sought and that no expense should be spared to bring those responsible for this murder to justice. Little did we know that the same response would come about involving Matt. I, too, believe in the death penalty. I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. However, this is the time to begin the healing process. To show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy. To use this as the first step in my own closure about losing Matt. Mr. McKinney, I am not doing this because of your family. I am definitely not doing this because of the crass and unwarranted pressures put on by the religious community. If anything, that hardens my resolve to see you die. Mr. McKinney, I’m going to grant you life, as hard as that is for me to do, because of Matthew. Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, or the Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn’t. Every time that you wake up in that prison cell, remember that you had the opportunity and the ability to stop your actions that night. Every time that you see your cell mate, remember that you had a choice, and now you are living that choice. You robbed me of something very precious, and I will never forgive you for that. Mr. McKinney, I give you life in the memory of one who no longer lives. May you have a long life, and may you thank Matthew every day for it."

Wayne:
Checking back in Wikipedia...

In 1982 with Iranian success on the battlefield, the U.S. made its backing of Iraq more pronounced, supplying it with intelligence, economic aid, normalizing relations with the government (broken during the 1967 Six-Day War), and also supplying weapons.[11] President Ronald Reagan decided that the United States "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran", and that the United States "would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent Iraq from losing the war with Iran."[12] President Reagan formalized this policy by issuing a National Security Decision Directive ("NSDD") to this effect in June, 1982.[13]

What a coincidence that "he who shall not be named" declared his support for Saddam against the Shiites in 1982! Why, that's the very same year as the killings of Shiites that Saddam was hanged for just a few hours ago.       :o ::)

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