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Saddam executed; Your thoughts?
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on December 30, 2006, 04:46:40 pm ---Don't worry. Karma is offset by lots of things. I don't think Saddam had as many good points to offset the bad.
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but Wayne wasn't talking about Saddam..he was talking about the US...and at one time I would have agreed that we have enough good points to offset the bad...but the balance is tipping.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: injest on December 30, 2006, 05:44:07 pm ---but Wayne wasn't talking about Saddam..he was talking about the US...and at one time I would have agreed that we have enough good points to offset the bad...but the balance is tipping.
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I was talking about the US as well. The US has done some really bad things, yes. We also still feed the world, give billions in charity and aid around the world in many forms.
I don't think Saddam had as many brownie points in his favor.
injest:
--- Quote from: kelda_shelton on December 30, 2006, 05:42:20 pm ---While I believe - in this case - his punishment was just, I think what everyone here can agree on is that the rights and wrongs of exceution are indeed complex and that that no one nation or person can be seen to be all innocent here.
What we can also all agree on is that at least here - on this forum and in our owne countries- we have a freedom of speech not available to the people of Iraq under Sadam.
The fact remains - Saadam did this and now he has been punished as he rightly should have been. Who else should be punished long with him and who knew what was going on...? Well thats a different question entirely. and one I feel we will not know - for certain - in any of our lifetimes.
A question to pose:
Saadam, like Hitler before him was an evil evil man - if Hitler had not committed suicide at that bunker, would the world have been happy for him to die a natural death in prison cell? I very much doubt it.
I foten wonder if it is like the Rwandan situation - these people can't shoult as load as their western counterparts - and therefore their voice is not heard.
Luise - very true - you got in before me as I was typing.
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no he would have had a trial at Nurenburg with the rest of his cohorts...a public trial by people who were not his political rivals; with attorneys that were able to actually live thru the entire trial...competent attorneys. and then he would have been held until appeals were heard.
there was a time we did things with honor...because we aspired to be a better people. we didn't take them summarily to the gas chambers in the concentration camps and throw them in....because we were NOT LIKE THEM...we won by being above them, not by laying in the dirt with them.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: injest on December 30, 2006, 05:40:39 pm ---so by your reasoning when and if they DO become the majority it will be acceptable and moral to give the death penalty to whomever they choose?
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Yep, because by then, it will be their country. It will be acceptable and moral to them. I will have a differing opinon, obviously, so I probably wouldn't stay in that country.
--- Quote ---[but it is not the Iraqis..it is the Shites...only PART of the country. and we had him in custody. So we are as culpable as they are.
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But the Shiites are the majority of the population. We had him in custody to await the punishment as meted out by an Iraqi govenrment.
--- Quote ---absolutely! the entire history of civil rights is the protection of the needs of the few!
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True, but in reality it doesn't work that way, otherwise we'd have minorities telling the entire nation what could and couldn't be done and what is that but an autocracy?
--- Quote ---we will have to disagree here...if we can't deliver justice consistantly the system is broken and needs to be corrected...
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You mean punishment, don't you? A rich person can be tried for a crime and found gulty but not given the death penalty, while poor ones don't escape it. The justice system was consistent. It tried them both and found them both guilty. They will both be punished. It's just a matter of the degree.
So the justice system isn't broken.
--- Quote ---If you know that there is a flaw in the system and still use it; then you are responsible for the results.
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Yes, but do you know of ANY system that doesn't have a flaw? If you wait for perfection, you will be waiting a long time.
injest:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on December 30, 2006, 05:46:16 pm ---I was talking about the US as well. The US has done some really bad things, yes. We also still feed the world, give billions in charity and aid around the world in many forms.
I don't think Saddam had as many brownie points in his favor.
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so you believe that you can do bad things and get away with them if you do a nice thing in addition? I don't agree...doing wrong will harm you no matter how much good you do...you can't steal with one hand and give with the other then call yourself honorable.
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