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Saddam executed; Your thoughts?
Wayne:
--- Quote from: injest on December 30, 2006, 07:06:04 pm ---What difference should it make to us? *SHRUG*
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:laugh: Jess you such a relativist! ;)
Kelda:
--- Quote from: injest on December 30, 2006, 07:13:14 pm ---I am getting at...they (Nuremburg) waited until there was stability and the war was OVER before they started summarily executing people. I just do not understand this rush to execution...except in the light that the US leaders wanted it to be fast..
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ok Jess - thanks for clearing that up - fair point. Not necesarilly my point of view under these circumstances but I see what you are getting at.
Wayne:
--- Quote from: Lynne on December 30, 2006, 07:47:28 pm ---'eye for an eye' justice
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Yep - and even when Jesus quoted it from the old testament, he said it was wrong! Doesn't fit with an "inerrancy of the scriptures" model. (maybe a little off-topic? sorry! :D )
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.
For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same?
Matthew 5 38-39, 46
Wayne:
I oppose capital punishment just because I don't like to think of one person killing another person in cold blood. Let's face it, that's what it is. And if society pays them to do it that makes it worse. We PAY somebody to kill somebody? Yuck! :P
But that is mere emotion. I think there are plenty of logical reasons for opposing capital punishment too.
If a society practices capital punishment it allows the stakes to be set to high. People have different moral principles, but if you tell them they're going to be killed unless they say what you want to hear, it makes it more likely they will say what you want to hear. So you never have any reliable information.
Consider the case of the hanged Iranian teens. They were accused of rape. But what actually happened? There were witnesses who were other teenage Iranian boys. If those other boys contradicted the state, they would be subject to hanging too. There is no way to know what actually happened.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: wdj on December 30, 2006, 08:17:30 pm ---Yep - and even when Jesus quoted it from the old testament, he said it was wrong! Doesn't fit with an "inerrancy of the scriptures" model. (maybe a little off-topic? sorry! :D )
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.
For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same?
Matthew 5 38-39, 46
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Yes, too bad few Christians ever followed these words.
Per the Christian story, Jesus was executed anyway. His attitude and teachings changed nothing. All it did was put a Christian veneer on the same people and instead of being open and honest about their warring actions, they turned to hypocrisy.
See Dubya "I'm a Christian but believe in starting wars for no reason" Bush for an example.
If no one wanted to exert their power over others, were enlightened, respected the rights of others, etc. then wars and executions would indeed be unnecessary to protect those who follow this idea. Unfortunately, the world has people who have absolutely no respect for others and think nothing of abusing or killing them. Self defense or defense of a society from these sorts is not unreasonable - indeed, not defending yourself and society from such people is what is unreasonable.
Someone posted earlier that killing was bad, period.
I believe in self-defense. If you killed someone defending yourself or your family, is it still a bad thing for you to have done? Should you have turned the other cheek and let your abusers do whatever they want?
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