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Scene 1: Jack getting out of pickup
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: jpwagoneer1964 on January 10, 2007, 01:11:40 pm ---Speaking of the sheep, it really wouldn't matter that the heard were mixed. the sheep know their herder(s) and will follow. the storm would have caused them to scatter though.
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"I know my sheep and my sheep know me." :)
A reasonable expectation, but, reasonable or not, that isn't what happened in either the story or the film. Annie tells us that it took them a week to untangle the two flocks, and even then they weren't completely successful because the paint brands were worn off. Remember: "Some a these never went up there with you."
Occurs to me now, too, that it makes no sense to think that somebody with economic interests in a flock of sheep would have sent an inexperienced guy into the mountains with a flock of sheep alone in 1962 (1963 was only Jack's second year on the mountain).
squashcourt:
I still hold firmly to my original interpretation of that scene.
Even as a gay man, I do not view it as Jack giving him the eye.
Affectionately,
Pierre
nakymaton:
One of the great things about that scene is that you can read different things into it, depending on your expectations. In some ways, it looks like the first encounter between two antagonists in a Western -- you've got the guy in the black hat and the guy in the not-quite-white hat coming into town and looking each other over, and I'm not enough of a Western fan to give examples, but I'm sure I've seen a scene something like that in another movie. (Help! Somebody who has watched more movies, tell me if I'm crazy!) But if you know that the two guys are going to fall in love, it's also possible to see it as checking out an attractive guy.
It seems like Ang Lee plays with the visual expectations of a Western a bit, plays with the image of the cowboy, in ways that Annie Proulx didn't.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: squashcourt on January 10, 2007, 01:44:20 pm ---I still hold firmly to my original interpretation of that scene.
Even as a gay man, I do not view it as Jack giving him the eye.
Affectionately,
Pierre
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So you're no longer "debating," you've come to an interpretation with which you are comfortable? Good!
And that's what you meant by "fantasies sometimes overtake some of us"?
All I know is, I've seen guys behaving just like Jack in any gay bar I've ever been in on a Saturday night. :D
squashcourt:
Hi Jeff,
The server of my ISP crashed. I think you commented further. Lost your comment. If you're willing and have an opportunity, I'd be happy to read it.
Hope you're OK.
Affectionately,
Pierre - ;)
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