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Cameron:

--- Quote from: squashcourt on January 14, 2007, 06:15:51 pm ---Wowwwww !!!!

So well described and I can't agree more . . . sure is how I generally feel.

Try not to be sad, though ---


Warmest affection,
Pierre -   ;)

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Thanks so much . I so am glad you liked it

Your new here also?   I certainly am pleased to meet you as another 'newbie' to this site.

Front-Ranger:
Wasn't what Ennis really wanted was to have his (cherry) cake and eat it too? Marry Alma but still have Jack on the side? If so, no wonder he had trouble putting it into words. But it could explain why he took control of the situation so completely when Jack finally did show up again, manhandling him into the stairwell, telling Alma that they wouldn't be back that night, and redlining it to the Motel Siesta within 20 minutes.

serious crayons:

--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on January 16, 2007, 01:19:34 pm ---Wasn't what Ennis really wanted was to have his (cherry) cake and eat it too? Marry Alma but still have Jack on the side? If so, no wonder he had trouble putting it into words.
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I suppose you could put it that way, but the cake phrase usually implies you really want both things. Whereas I think he felt obliged to marry Alma, but really would have preferred to be with Jack. If things had gone differently in Signal, he might still have wound up marrying Alma -- because that's what you're supposed to do, in his mind -- or maybe not. In any case, they could have spent more time together, then parted on a better, more promising note.

taj:

--- Quote ---I think that the driving forces for the relationship was Ennis' fear of being abandoned by Jack, not just his homophobia (which exists), or not being able to admit to his love.
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Well said there. It was a brave statement esp. when it is combined with the other two
I wanted to say that it was love that made them both hung unto the relationship, but I realised that it has always been the fear. Not just on Ennis but on Jack as well. It is amazing how fear can force us to such relationship. Certainly not healthy though IMHO
I used to phrase that to 'fear of loosing Jack', that even the thought of suicide would mean just that, loosing Jack. Ennis had to live as much as Jack needed to. What I'm not sure of is that, if Ennis ever thought about Jack's fear (of loosing him)

--- Quote ---Ennis broke down after that because he thought that Jack was abandoning him like his parents(yes, in his mind) and his brother and sister did before.
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I'll stick with my phrase above. I sincerely believe that instead of fearing, Ennis realised (although didn't understand then) that he had lost something instead of feeling abandoned

taj:
On a second thought perhaps feeling abandoned is also appropriate  :)

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