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Post-Divorce Scene
dly64:
--- Quote from: wdj on August 16, 2006, 10:10:49 pm ---OMG!!! Aguirre is Jack's faaather! :o
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LOL! That would be a scary thought! :laugh:
Mikaela:
--- Quote ---OMG!!! Aguirre is Jack's faaather!
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LOL! The poor doggie. :D
Don't know that Jack would have been much worse off than with the father he actually *did* have - Mr. Twist Sr. was never no holiday to be around. But I didn't try to imply that, of course - just that Aguirre and Mrs. Twist might possibly have known each other. Jack's mom might just inspire respect in the most unlikely people.
Thanks for replying to my question(s). If I'm to boil it down seems most of us think the scene doesn't entirely make it clear exactly *why* Jack would be so elated and certain that Enis'd come around based on a postcard announcing an anticipated event; - and that Jack would have understood if not all, then quite a lot of the impact on Ennis's psyche of the Earl story and the pressure of living with Ennis's kind of father........ And after all, he'd had many years to think about it and observe Ennis. Even if they never talked about it again...
Jack must have felt certain Ennis would come around in the end, if he (Jack) just kept calming him and comforting him and giving him time and space and all the love and closeness Ennis would manage to allow. I think you're absolutely spot-on in this analysis, Diane: (Not simplistical at all, just very very clarifying! :) )
--- Quote ---I have always thought (maybe simplistically) that Jack thought Ennis had opened himself up to having a life with Jack by getting the divorce. [ ]when Jack and Ennis reunite, one of the roadblocks Ennis puts up his is “life in Riverton.” Obviously, Ennis exposes the real reason why he won’t have a life with Jack … the fear of retribution. But now we are twelve years down the road. Ennis is finally free from his marriage. Maybe Jack sees Ennis as taking steps to extricate himself from a dreadful and lonely existence … the divorce symbolizing a new beginning.
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Yeah, that scene hurts. Does it ever.
:'(
dly64:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on August 17, 2006, 03:10:01 am ---Jack must have felt certain Ennis would come around in the end, if he (Jack) just kept calming him and comforting him and giving him time and space and all the love and closeness Ennis would manage to allow. I think you're absolutely spot-on in this analysis, Diane: (Not simplistical at all, just very very clarifying! :) )
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I’m glad you think my explanation was helpful. Sometimes I re-read what I had written and think …. “does that really make sense?” Anyway, as Katherine says, I am a “Jackophile” I tend to think that I can understand his POV since there are many parallels with his life and mine.
serious crayons:
And another thing I just thought of. They always meet way out in the middle of nowhere, so whenever Jack sees him, Ennis is happy and relaxed and overjoyed to be with Jack. Jack hasn't seen Ennis in a public setting in years, so maybe he's had a chance to forget that Ennis has other worries and can be quite paranoid.
In fact, the last time they were together in public Ennis wasn't very paranoid -- he kissed Jack in the parking lot, introduced him to Alma, checked into a motel, drove off in a truck, ate in a restaurant. Quite a difference from feeling anxious about being seen talking in the driveway.
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on August 17, 2006, 09:46:16 am ---And another thing I just thought of. They always meet way out in the middle of nowhere, so whenever Jack sees him, Ennis is happy and relaxed and overjoyed to be with Jack. Jack hasn't seen Ennis in a public setting in years, so maybe he's had a chance to forget that Ennis has other worries and can be quite paranoid.
In fact, the last time they were together in public Ennis wasn't very paranoid -- he kissed Jack in the parking lot, introduced him to Alma, checked into a motel, drove off in a truck, ate in a restaurant. Quite a difference from feeling anxious about being seen talking in the driveway.
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Great point! Add it to my ever growing list of things I had not considered before!
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