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A Ninth Viewing Observation
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: [email protected] on August 08, 2006, 09:11:03 pm ---Yes, Barbara. Once for each of us who says "yes"...Doug
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That's two so far, then, 'cause I counted myself, too. ;D
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: atz75 on August 08, 2006, 07:43:50 pm ---Yeah, so what in the hell ever did happen to poor ol' Randall? Didn't this thread start out being about Randall....
??? ;)
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In a manner of speaking, yes, it did. What ever did happen to Randall? And just how serious was Jack about him, anyway? My take is that it was never more serious for Jack than just sex, but did Randall want more? We can only conjecture. But hell, who wouldn't?
jpwagoneer1964:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on August 08, 2006, 09:23:09 pm ---In a manner of speaking, yes, it did. What ever did happen to Randall? And just how serious was Jack about him, anyway? My take is that it was never more serious for Jack than just sex, but did Randall want more? We can only conjecture. But hell, who wouldn't?
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I'm in the camp that Randall was never more than an option for Jack. Jack does not respond ouside the dance hall, just wishes he weer Ennis.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on August 08, 2006, 09:23:09 pm ---In a manner of speaking, yes, it did. What ever did happen to Randall? And just how serious was Jack about him, anyway? My take is that it was never more serious for Jack than just sex, but did Randall want more? We can only conjecture. But hell, who wouldn't?
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Funny Randall should come up. I was thinking about Jack and him today. Working out clears my head something wonderful, and while I was working out today I was thinking, was Jack really serious when he talked about bringing the ranch neighbor from Texas up to Lightning Flat? Maybe my final conclusion on that is, yes and no.
I'm thinking now that Jack was just thinking out loud when he said that to his father, like when he suggested to Ennis that Ennis leave Riverton, try somewhere else, maybe Texas. After the confrontation at the lake, Jack was hurting, he was frustrated, probably he was emotionally exhausted, and he finally understood that Ennis was never going to agree to the two of them living together.
Yes, Jack was serious, when he was thinking out loud, but in the end, I think he just loved Ennis too much (ref: the shirts still in the closet). Once he got back to Texas, I don't think he would have "proposed" to Randall the way he did to Ennis back in '67. So in that sense, no, he wasn't serious.
But as always with this film, there is some open space between what I know, and what I want to believe. ...
nakymaton:
I've wondered whether Jack's comments about bringing somebody to the ranch (both in Ennis's and Randall's cases) were spontaneous responses to Old Man Twist's complaints about Jack being away, not having any help, yadda yadda nag nag. (After all, Jack didn't have serious plans about bringing Ennis to the ranch, either. Ennis had already essentially said no.) And so... spontaneous, child mouthing off to parent, partly serious, but partly just an attempt to get dad to shut up already.
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