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serious crayons:
Mikaela, that is a very astute analysis of Randall! You're right, I bet he was more comfortable right where he was than he would have been living on that bleak ranch and working alongside OMT.

If only Ennis knew all that! The sad thing is, Ennis probably won't even make the connection between "the other fella" and the unserious fling (with the rancher's wife) that Jack alluded to on their last night at the lake -- right BEFORE telling Ennis how much he missed him. So whether Jack was serious about Randall or not, Ennis will always have to entertain the possibility that he was, or maybe even that Jack had fallen in love with someone else. Even the shirts don't necessarily negate that possibility.

dly64:

--- Quote from: Mikaela on August 09, 2006, 11:44:16 am ---But then I've never really been able to buy that Randall would have been willing - or would have lasted *if* he was willing - to move up to LF. I base the impression of Randall on very little, true - but I base it on about the same that Jack knew by the time Randall came on to him outside the Benefit Dance place:

He's got a good education, an OK job, has got some money (and a wife who knows how to spend them.) He is intellectual rather than "mechanical". He's very straight-forward in coming on to Jack - first at the table and then afterwards, - directly in front of both their wives, too, which IMO is telling us something. My impression is that the reason he's circumspect at all in what he's saying while theyr're sitting on the bench is that he's not entirely certain that Jack is interested - Jack is sending out pretty conflicted signals after all.
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I mentioned earlier in this thread that I remembered reading somewhere about the unlikelihood that Randall would abandon his “cush gig” to have a life with Jack. After reading your note … I remembered it was you who said that. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Alternatively, why would Jack give up his comfortable lifestyle for Randall? Ennis … yes. Randall … I find it hard to believe. Shoot, as long as they were getting sexual gratification from each other … why rock the boat?



--- Quote from: latjoreme on August 09, 2006, 02:05:31 pm ---Mikaela, that is a very astute analysis of Randall! You're right, I bet he was more comfortable right where he was than he would have been living on that bleak ranch and working alongside OMT.

If only Ennis knew all that! The sad thing is, Ennis probably won't even make the connection between "the other fella" and the unserious fling (with the rancher's wife) that Jack alluded to on their last night at the lake -- right BEFORE telling Ennis how much he missed him. So whether Jack was serious about Randall or not, Ennis will always have to entertain the possibility that he was, or maybe even that Jack had fallen in love with someone else. Even the shirts don't necessarily negate that possibility.
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I think that is one of the things that Ennis regrets the most … he could have had a good life with Jack. Yet, Ennis was unable to allow himself the freedom to love Jack publicly. The teachings of his father and societal homophobia were too inbred. Thus, Ennis was left with bitterness and despair. This was Ennis’ cross to bear.

2robots4u:
Mikaela...Aggies is the nickname of Texas A & M (agriculture and mining), and from "agriculture" they came up with "Aggie" (much like "Brokies").  When you hear someone say "Aggie game", they are usually referring to football, but it could be basketball, baseball (assuming Texas A & M has either...some schools don't).  But I digress.  Did we hear Lashawn say the name of her school? Or do we assume she also went to A & M?  I'll watch that scene again later today and report...Hope this helps your college knowledge a little (I swear, I did not plan that rhyme)...Doug

dly64:

--- Quote from: [email protected] on August 09, 2006, 02:55:14 pm ---Mikaela...Aggies is the nickname of Texas A & M (agriculture and mining), and from "agriculture" they came up with "Aggie" (much like "Brokies").  When you hear someone say "Aggie game", they are usually referring to football, but it could be basketball, baseball (assuming Texas A & M has either...some schools don't).  But I digress.  Did we hear Lashawn say the name of her school? Or do we assume she also went to A & M?  I'll watch that scene again later today and report...Hope this helps your college knowledge a little (I swear, I did not plan that rhyme)...Doug
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Hey Doug ... LaShawn says she pledged "Tri Del" at SMU. I can surmise that Randall went to Texas A&M and she was there for an Aggie game. Why he even dated her is beyond my comprehension. Unless of course, as Mikaela pointed out, she was so "ditzy and self absorbed" he knew he could have sex with a man in the same room and she wouldn't even notice.  

Additional note: I just looked up "SMU" which stands for Southern Methodist University located in Dallas. Guess that makes sense!

jpwagoneer1964:

--- Quote from: dly64 on August 09, 2006, 02:34:50 pm ---I
I think that is one of the things that Ennis regrets the most … he could have had a good life with Jack. Yet, Ennis was unable to allow himself the freedom to love Jack publicly. The teachings of his father and societal homophobia were too inbred. Thus, Ennis was left with bitterness and despair. This was Ennis’ cross to bear.


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In Ennis's mind he was protecting Jack as well as himself. I have a friend who lived in Wy in the 1960's and it was not a safe place to be out. Ennis regrets that it was not possable to  live with Jack not that he didn't. Matthew Shepard was murdered 14 years after Jack in the time line of the film.

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