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A Ninth Viewing Observation
TJ:
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serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on May 15, 2006, 08:07:26 pm ---When Jack pulls up to Aguirre's trailer and gets out to kick his truck and look around there's a moment when we see his profile in relative close-up (he's facing right) and there's a "square" of waving grass in the breeze that is delineated by the upper right corner of the frame of the screen itself and the lines formed by the gravel road and a building. I'm really not imagining this (I don't think)... Once you think about it, it's very noticeable.
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Wow! Interesting, Amanda! I will look for this next time.
--- Quote from: julie01 on May 15, 2006, 07:56:10 pm ---Jack is--what?--38 years old. Why would he look at a grown man and say ":You wanna dance?"--at a table where 3 people are sitting? Be reasonable. he looks at Lashawn, when he says it, and then at Randall, just before asking his permissiomn.
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I'm probably going to change my view on this next time I watch, y'all are very convincing. But to clarify, I never thought he was literally asking Randall to dance. He was asking LaShawn and glancing at Randall. And the wives are so much more likely to assume he was asking LaShawn, that they would think nothing of it.
While waiting at my son's baseball practice tonight, I sat there trying to remember scenes and see if they fit an ink-blot pattern. I think there's something to that theory, but if so it's much messier and more subtle than a simple first scene /last scene, second scene/second-to-last scene pattern.
One thought that occurred to me, though, is that Ennis DOES inarguably say "I'm sorry" to Cassie in the pie scene, which is roughly opposite tent scene 2 ... Hmmm!
JennyC:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 15, 2006, 09:19:14 pm ---One thought that occurred to me, though, is that Ennis DOES inarguably say "I'm sorry" to Cassie in the pie scene, which is roughly opposite tent scene 2 ... Hmmm!
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Oh, no latjorene, you are not starting that whole "I'm sorry" vs. "It's 'right" discussion again ;). I have tried to listen carefully in that scene many times. Personally I could go either way and I still could not figure out who said the first one (let it be "I'm sorry" or "It's 'right"). From reading some old posts, I understand that some people do feel strongly one way or the other.
serious crayons:
Sorry, Jenny. I couldn't resist. I have scrutinized that scene myself, and I guess I've joined the camp that believes Jack does all the talking. But I have always preferred it the other way (Ennis saying sorry, Jack saying s'alright) so I couldn't help wishing this would provide some new evidence!
Brown Eyes:
I think the Randall situation just has to be left up to individual interpretation. People will always read this scene in different ways. I'm personally still convinced that Jack is asking Randall to dance (in a non-serious way) but that he's assuming that everyone else at the table will presume that he's asking LaShawn. He knows they will assume this, so he takes this opportunity to be playful and also a bit spiteful of Lureen. He can make eye contact with Randall and still have people (people at the table and the viewing audience) assume that he's looking at LaShawn since they're both sitting at relatively the same angle next to Jack. He can look past her, essentially, and at Randall. He then does shift his eyes to look at her once she replies.
I think it's important that he locks eyes with Randall during the conversation at the table, then during the "want to dance?" moment and then again when he stands up with LaShawn. He's sort of speaking in code to Randall here and trying to figure him out... I think this scene is meant to be all about what we'd call "gaydar" these days. Sometimes you have to do strange and bold things to determine whether or not a person might be gay or open to flirting (it's really not some kind of 6th sense). I think, like some of you, that this is what leads to Randall's offer on the bench.
Last week when I watched BBM with a friend (it was her first viewing) she just freaked out at the Randall scene. And, I don't quite know why it struck such a nerve with her. She said something like... "oh no, this guy is trouble."
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By the way, why doesn't Randall ask Lureen to dance after Jack and LaShawn get up? I've always thought that was sort of rude of him.
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