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A Ninth Viewing Observation
welliwont:
--- Quote from: dly64 on August 20, 2006, 04:18:12 pm ---
It is because of this that I see Ennis as becoming withdrawn and embittered. The knowledge of what he could have had, but never having the courage to live a life with Jack, IMO, would haunt him until he died.
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Here is something I slipped in to the "Ennis Questionnaire" or whatever that thing was called..... I know some of you have seen this already, but it seems apropos here... Here is Rufus Wainwright's take on Ennis' life after Jack (from an Introduction to his song "The Maker Makes" found on YouTube, the 5:02 minute version):
Rufus Wainwright:
"It's called The Maker Makes 'cause it's, it's just about, it's
it's sorta a, a the flip side of someone who, who instead of
y'now discovering their homosexuality, y'know moves to
NY, and y'now gets y'know a haircut, um, they decide to
sort of stay, where they are and really forsake their uhm,
their sexuality."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Qhec3Lrgg
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on August 20, 2006, 03:46:49 pm ---I think the Ennis we see following Jack's death is a hugely different character in many ways. His evolution is lightning fast.
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I agree, Amanda. In every scene after Jack's death, we see Ennis overtly doing things that would have been almost unthinkable earlier: 1) calling Lureen 2) Mentioning Brokeback (to both Lureen and Jack's parents) 3) visiting Jack's parents without worrying too much about what they might "think" 4) not freaking out when he discovers that they not only think, they know 5) saying "I love you" to Jack (I realize this one is arguable) 6) openly taking the shirts, another small coming out 7) using the word "love" to Jr. 8) agreeing to go to Jr.'s wedding.
I may even be forgetting some. The point is, however we interpret his state of mind (accepting his sexuality for the first time or not, accepting the description of love for the first time or not, becoming more embittered or not), he unquestionably does some things he wouldn't have done at any time previous. And to me, they all indicate he's evolving, in a positive way.
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on August 24, 2006, 02:29:31 pm ---I agree, Amanda. In every scene after Jack's death, we see Ennis overtly doing things that would have been almost unthinkable earlier: 1) calling Lureen 2) Mentioning Brokeback (to both Lureen and Jack's parents) 3) visiting Jack's parents without worrying too much about what they might "think" 4) not freaking out when he discovers that they not only think, they know 5) saying "I love you" to Jack (I realize this one is arguable) 6) openly taking the shirts, another small coming out 7) using the word "love" to Jr. 8) agreeing to go to Jr.'s wedding.
I may even be forgetting some. The point is, however we interpret his state of mind (accepting his sexuality for the first time or not, accepting the description of love for the first time or not, becoming more embittered or not), he unquestionably does some things he wouldn't have done at any time previous. And to me, they all indicate he's evolving, in a positive way.
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Okay, okay! I see your logic and I can agree.
BTW - (a bit OT) - It occurred to me earlier this week that in my multiple viewings of BBM, I have never cried during the film. I have cried when I have listened to the soundtrack. I have cried when I have seen clips played to music (like on YouTube). However, I never shed a tear during the movie itself. I found that realization a bit odd because I am one who is notorious for crying at the drop of a hat. (Yes, I am one of those saps who can cry over a TV commercial! :-\) I tend to think that BBM has hit me so deeply that it has taken me to a place beyond tears. The painful scenes are extremely hard to watch because I almost feel that I am going through everything Jack and/or Ennis are. By the end of the film, I am spent. I find myself sitting there until the last credit has rolled and the last note of “Maker Makes” has been played. Am I the only one who has felt this way?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: dly64 on August 24, 2006, 05:54:25 pm --- Am I the only one who has felt this way?
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Well, I cry during the film, but I think I see what you mean -- maybe it's too important to place in the same category as sappy TV commercials, therefore you feel you can't react to it the same way?
BTW, here's something weird:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on August 24, 2006, 02:29:31 pm ---7) using the word "love" to Jr. 8) agreeing to go to Jr.'s wedding.
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I looked back at that message and wondered why on earth, instead of putting in the number 8 (to indicate the 8th thing in the series), I would insert the shades-wearing smiley? Then I realized: if you type an 8, immediately followed by a ), you are typing the code for that smiley!
:laugh:
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on August 25, 2006, 01:50:41 am ---I looked back at that message and wondered why on earth, instead of putting in the number 8 (to indicate the 8th thing in the series), I would insert the shades-wearing smiley? Then I realized: if you type an 8, immediately followed by a ), you are typing the code for that smiley!
:laugh:
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Too funny! I wondered what was up with that smiley ....
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