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A Ninth Viewing Observation
Monika:
--- Quote from: Sammi on December 03, 2009, 10:35:00 pm ---It just seemed so abrupt, like he gave up so quickly. I wonder why he did not say "are you kidding me?" or somehting to that effect, but I guess it had to be feelings he saved for that big blowup argument later on the mountain. It was really heartbreaking. The contrast of him singing in the car on the way up and then crying on the way back - so gut wrenching.
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I think it´s a genereal theme between them that they don´t talk about things. There is so much that is unsaid between them.
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on December 04, 2009, 01:52:10 am --- I think it´s a genereal theme between them that they don´t talk about things. There is so much that is unsaid between them.
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Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter the years of things unsaid and now unsayable - admissions, declarations, shames, guilts, fears - rose around them.
Monika:
--- Quote from: Penthesilea on December 04, 2009, 04:13:14 am ---Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter the years of things unsaid and now unsayable - admissions, declarations, shames, guilts, fears - rose around them.
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that was exactly the line from the book I was thinking about :) I was too lazy to go and look it up
The sene when they fight by the lake, was the first time they spoke about a lot of things.
Ironically that´s the beginning to the end for them.
Brown Eyes:
The whole topic of communication and talking together is so fascinating. It's a double-edged and convoluted thing in BBM.
Because, it seems that a major element of the attraction initially between Jack and Ennis (on the friend level and romantic level) was that Jack was able to get Ennis to talk and to smile/laugh. So much is made of the wonderful "most I've spoke in a year" scene. Clearly that conversation is a big moment in their early attraction.
And, then... Ennis's funny excuse to Alma about staying out all night at the time of the reunion... "when we get to drinkin and talkin and all..." is so ironic.
They do talk... and seem to easily loosen up together. The motel scene is mostly about talking (and intimacy). But, somehow they don't communicate about important things in their own relationship. Or when they do... it leads to tension. Almost every conversation when the topic turns to their relationship, things get tense. The "what are we going to do now?" question by Jack in the motel makes the mood there instantly heavier. The cow and calf suggestion totally changes the mood of the reunion camping trip. The "maybe Texas" conversation leads to a fight and to Jack stomping off. And, of course the big fight by the lake is the biggest example of this tension probably.
I think the divorce scene and the totally screwed up lack of communication when Jack and Ennis come off the mountain at the end of the 63 summer are the most difficult.
I'm sure this is bound up with the closeted nature of their relationship.
Monika:
--- Quote from: atz75 on December 04, 2009, 11:50:00 am ---
I'm sure this is bound up with the closeted nature of their relationship.
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I´m no expert on Wyoming, but men probably weren´t supposed to speak about their feelings. I think that´s how both men were raised so it´s no wonder they never did.
They do talk, like you point out, but seemingly mostly about stuff that any friends could talk about.
Most of their feelings are hidden beneath the surface, sometimes they pop up with a terrible force that is caused by all that time being pushed down.
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