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Didn't any boy cry? This girl certainly did...

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Front-Ranger:
Okay, I'm going to lead this even further off-topic. The rates for murder and other violent crimes have fallen precipitously in the U.S. since 1990. Why? As shown in the book Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt, children who would have become 16 years old in 1990 did not...because of the passage of Roe vs. Wade, the abortion ruling. It's a very mixed up world isn't it?

Scott6373:
This is a very interesting conversation.  If I may, let me put in my .25 cents.  .

Back in my early twenties, after my first real long term relationship had ended, I had a tough time getting back into the whole social scene, but eventually I did.  One night, after having a relatively enjoybale night with friends a bar in Boston (I live about 30 minutes north, so I drove into town), I left at closing time...yes alone...get your minds outta the gutter, and started to cross the public gardens, because my car was parked on the other side.  Half way across, a group of drunk men (I won't say straight because I don't to insult straight people by calling them that), started to follow me.

Eventually they cornered me in a dark part of the park.  I was beaten and raped and left there.  Here's my question.  If I had the ability, after they had finished with me, to get up and kill each one...would that not be capitol punishment?  I am no longer defending myself, I am exacting revenge, but...am I entitled?

isabelle:
But Lee, all in all, the population continued to grow, didn't it? Is 16 the average age of the murderers in the US??

Those "men" in "Boys don't cry" were at least 30...

isabelle:

--- Quote from: Scott on March 08, 2007, 06:35:45 pm ---This is a very interesting conversation.  If I may, let me put in my .25 cents.  .

Back in my early twenties, after my first real long term relationship had ended, I had a tough time getting back into the whole social scene, but eventually I did.  One night, after having a relatively enjoybale night with friends a bar in Boston (I live about 30 minutes north, so I drove into town), I left at closing time...yes alone...get your minds outta the gutter, and started to cross the public gardens, because my car was parked on the other side.  Half way across, a group of drunk men (I won't say straight because I don't to insult straight people by calling them that), started to follow me.

Eventually they cornered me in a dark part of the park.  I was beaten and raped and left there.  Here's my question.  If I had the ability, after they had finished with me, to get up and kill each one...would that not be capitol punishment?  I am no longer defending myself, I am exacting revenge, but...am I entitled?

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Scott, oh {{{Scott}}}...
I sent my reply before I'd seen yours! That would be personal revenge, not capital punishment, and honestly I couldn't blame you for doing those guys in.
I have heard that the best way of getting over such horrors is forgiveness, as hatred or anger only makes your life hell longer. I don't know. I think I would be capable of killing in such a case, so I am glad that such a thing as laws and courts and judges exist, even with all their shortcomings.

Shakesthecoffecan:
Scott, Friend, I am so sorry for what you went thru. I think the choice of how you would proceed is yours. Exacting revenge is a personal matter and vastly different than the institution of Capitol Punishment, in which the government gets to decide who lives and who dies. I have a problem with the government having that power.

Your exacting revenge is an entitlement, and with it comes responsibilities you would have to face. A catch 22 if there ever was one. One that leaves me feeling very sad.

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