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Jake's father was a gay man?

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Artiste:
Thanks brokebackjack!!

Wow, wow!! Your comments are indeed assertive!!?? I find them interesting!! And am grateful that you are expressing them!!

Glad that you like Wyoming!! Wyoming does not derserve John Twist nor want him... as you say, nor want Ennis's father, nor any murders of gay men simply because they are gays, if I may say. The murder of that gay young man was needless, but it was a murder by two... peers?? (I forget his name, and I think a movie on TV I saw about it, as I know it made headlines in the USA, Canada... and likely in many countries; it still does in many places, even in Europe.) I do not want any murders in the USA, Canada, nor elsewhere!! I think needless murders of gays because they are gays as a reason, do happen and too often as far as I am concern and this is increasing unfortunately... and will increase!! I find it too unfortunate that many such murders and maybe most are either unsolved, or no one wants to solve them; and, no one goes to jail for it most times nor get hung by a rope or same way they killed; I know of one case... where one of the two murderers got away from spending a day in jail; the judge had to let him go... as the jury claimed he was thruthful (( a bit like the Simpson case remember but this one did say he was there in the murder scene!!), but as far as I am concerned he should have been jailed a long time for many reasons!! Plus, the ones (4 at once who tried to kill me), got away with it too, and the police did not even take finger prints as the police could have as I left broken glass, wood, etc., for days for them to do so!!

For now, I will just take one sentence from your comments:
His behaviour towards EDM is so horrific that even in the script, the screenwriters say Ennis cannot get away from this terrible old man fast enough.
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If you are talking about the scene where Ennis enters Mr. and Mrs. Twist's house for the first time after Jack's death,
then I do NOT agree that Mr. John Twist is horrific, not to that point of using that word!! Not when I look at the movie!! Stern in the movie was John Twist to Ennis, yes but not horrific.

I must check the screen script to see that: may I ask you to provide me those lines then and is that word horrific used by the two screenwriters??

I do find that the scene of the murdered body of that gay man who was in the gay couple relationship or marriage, that is horrific indeed!! Plus the scene of Jack getting killed by murderers, that is horrific!! Mass murders and single murder... are always a horrific events to me; even self-defence to save one's life as I had was filled with horror!!

Scene of Mr. Twist, talking to Ennis is indeed overwhelming, in many ways!! Owerpowering too?? For whom, by who, for us viewers too???

Having looked at the movie (only twice as a whole one), I did NOT find Mr. John Twist horrific!! Harsh maybe?? Stern, yes!! Sad, terribly sad yes!! I do think that Ennis deserved to be told off by Mr. John Twist!! Do you??

Anyway, I wait your news,

hugs!!

Note: I will try to seek the film threads on cullen roflmao... remind me.

I still think the question of Mr. John Twist could have been or is gay (homosexual), an important one!!

brokebackjack:
I think he was a walking nightmare. The words used by the screenwriters are 'this terrible old man'

He treated Ennis like nothing

Artiste:
Thanks brokenbackjack!!

You say that Jack's father was described as this terrible old man by the screenwriters??

Hugs!!

RossInIllinois:

--- Quote from: Artiste on March 26, 2007, 06:41:09 pm ---Thanks brokenbackjack!!

You say that Jack's father was described as this terrible old man by the screenwriters??

Hugs!!



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The way I see it  Jack Twist sr loved his son. He refused to give him up to the Mountain and that proves that to me. I think what you saw in the movie was a "broken man" un happy with his life with no way out thats all. Holding on to Jacks ashes was the only power he had left.

brokebackjack:
I think we saw exactly what the screenwriters wished to convey, which was exactly what Annie Proulx conveyed: A terrible old man.

He didn't give a damned about jack or Jack's ashes. He knew what his son wanted and refused it.It was the mother who cared.

And he refused....because he wanted to. And was 'a terrible old man.'

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