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Jake's father was a gay man?

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Front-Ranger:
My feeling is that John C. Twist hated himself, primarily because he was a failure as a ranch owner. This was not really his fault because many family ranches were struggling or failing at that time (and still are). And Wyoming is a harsh place to try to have a homestead. Who knows what happened during his earlier rodeo career? All we know is that Mr. Twist left that career. Obviously the elder Twists did not have a happy marriage. And for whatever reason, he was disappointed in his son. He was a man filled with bitterness and hate. There were more men around like that than the other kind, in my experience growing up in a rural area of the Midwest. For many men like that, the American Dream never happened.

Artiste:
Thanks Front-Ranger!!

Your comment is wonderfully revealing!! In many ways!!

Yes, yesterday was hard for Mr. Twist!! And if his son to-day would be alive,
he would be likely worst off!! I say... as more and more persons, it seems to-day, do
NOT care about ranchers, as they think food comes like magic!! Most people do not care less...??

Multi-national cos are now killing more and more our farmers...ranchers, as these cos are being run by criminals
who do not care about life nor about cows, chickens, fish, bulls, etc., nor a tomatoe !!

For example, these multi-nationals have killed both my grand-fathers jobs; grand-father had a potatoe farm winning world prizes for great pure food, but the big co. came in and killed all the potatoes and did not pay grand-dad apenny! My other grand-papa was a bucheron, yes I am not ashame to say that as he was too a proud man for nature, being an lumberjack, woodcutter.... but that same multi-national killed all the trees!! The first USA spacemen (to prepare themselves for their moon trip) came here as both my grand-fathers areas were now like on the moon!!

As I am still upset because of this, I will end this now and come back later. (This is NOT your fault Front-Ranger!)

Now the Earth is being killed!!

Was not Jack's father's farm somewhat like the moon?? And Jack sought help to help his parents and himself with partner-to-be?? Jack would be hurting more than his dad, even if he had a partner, likely so I say because criminals continue more to run off ranchers... farmers?? What do you think?

Am happy with your comments in many ways Front-Ranger, and await more from you please,

hugs!

Front-Ranger:
It is interesting that you say that the farm was like the moon, Artiste. Because that is sort of how I've seen it...I haven't seen it in the summertime with the grass growing high...but it is a forbidding and austere place. A high plain, with a lot of volcanic rocks all around. When you're there, you feel uncomfortably close to the sky, almost pressed between the earth and the sky.

One thing that struck me tonite...Jack was playing his harmonica, even though it was flattened. And he came from Lightning Flat. But the flattening things that had happened in his life did not deter him from following his dream and going to Brokeback Mountain.

Artiste:
Thanks Front-Ranger!!

Your two paragraphs are wonderfully great!!

The Earth is indeed becoming like a moon... dying; Jack's death is forbidding in a way, because he could not live his gay life (not happily, except those rare occassions) nor continue it! Maybe he can be considered like a moon around Ennis?? There is some poetry created here by Annie!! She does says that she thinks daily about Ennis and Jack!!

As you know: Ennis is indeed liike a moon, being so austere and standing that is his life, weather he likes it or not, too!!

Both Ennis and Jack's lives are too uncomfortable for themselves mainly in their situations as the human condition;
luckily some confort as they found each other and love they cherish as best they can!!

Forbidden love... between two men!! That is most of the world then and is now too!!

I know about volcanic rock, like you say you saw there in Wyoming, as I live on a volcano edge, top mountain... and austere is was made and humans are making it again a heaven now with trees and lakes; criminals who burned the then rich farms here in the valley inside the crator, and burned all the trees, do NOT help Nature nor other humans!!
You do feel like you are between earth and sky, like you say!! The pressures of both Ennis and Jack is pressing them too!! Pray this is not too poetic!! I love your description!!

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Yes, you are right about the harmonica; Jack could play it better when he was younger, when he fell in love with Ennis; but that flat harmonica... tells his sad future, the sad notes of his coming life!! ?? Jack continued, as you say, luckily to to try to reach his dream and Borkeback Mountain helped him and Ennis!!

brokebackjack:
It is complete speculation, leading nowhere, if we wonder whether or not John Twist Seniour was a homo.


Just think of him as The Dick.

It works.

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