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Ennis and Jake are homosexuals, bi-sexuals or??
Brown Eyes:
Do you really think that Ennis ever loved Alma? I mean really, truly deeply loved Alma? I certainly don't. I think he saw her as an opportunity. And, I think he felt a friendship and a sense of partnership with her at the beginning, but certainly not love. I think it's totally unfair to call either Alma or Lureen a controlling woman. The main reason that both marriages failed was that neither Ennis nor Jack were in the marriage because they first and foremost wanted to be with their wives. Both Ennis and Jack forced themselves into that circumstance. Yes, Alma wanted to move to town, but beyond that we don't know what kind of "conditions" she put on Ennis. She even put up with some tremendously distasteful situations in bed (distasteful to her) in order to accomodate the marriage for a while. I'm no fan of Alma, but I really don't at all feel it's fair to blame her for the ultimate downfall of the marriage. It was doomed even before they were married. It was doomed as soon as Ennis met Jack. I really tend to like Lureen. I find her to be a much more complex character than Alma. And, again, I don't think she was a "controlling" figure to Jack. L.D. certainly was. But, Lureen seems to have pretty much let Jack do what he liked (didn't really question his interest in the fishing trips, etc.). And I think her gesture to Ennis on the phone is really nice (both telling him to go to Jack's parents' house and also telling Ennis that Brokeback was Jack's favortie place). Lureen's behavior during that phone call is light-years better than Alma's "Jack-Nasty" rant. But, again, I don't blame either wife for the failure of the marriages. How could those marriages ever possiblly have worked? Both of the men were already in love with someone else before the weddings ever happened.
And, I agree with you that a bisexual person can fall in love with a person of eithe gender. And even a gay person (for the record, I myself am gay) can love (in a platonic sense) a friend of the opposite gender. But, my basic point is that I think Ennis and Jack are both purely gay. I think Ennis is only going through the motions (for the sake of propriety) when it comes to going through with his marriage, etc.
Front-Ranger:
I agree with everything you say here, Amanda. The way Ennis talks about Alma ("me and Alma are gettin married as soon as I come down from this mountain," etc.) is so passive and devoid of enthusiasm that it's very clear to me where he stands and that his heart isn't in it, and that's even before he and Jack have an intimate relationship. Which reinforces the feeling that he is gay, IMO. I also think that it was a marriage arranged by Ennis's siblings in agreement with Alma and/or her relatives.
Artiste:
Thanks Two Jacks!
Wow, wow, you really think Ennis's mariage was arranged in such way??
It could very well be... and such by his brother? Or someone else?
Like an obligation?
Hugs!
RossInIllinois:
--- Quote from: Artiste on April 01, 2007, 11:13:59 am ---Thanks Two Jacks!
Wow, wow, you really think Ennis's mariage was arranged in such way??
It could very well be... and such by his brother? Or someone else?
Like an obligation?
Hugs!
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Hello People?? this is a fictional story!
Artiste:
Thanks RossInIllinois!
You say this:
Hello People?? this is a fictional story!
...
For many reasons, I think that this is yes a fictional story, and, also a non-fictional story!
Just for instance (just as one example), there have been many true stories on TV news and documentary films this year and last year, about some persons who are obligated to marry the one that their parents do want, especially if they are of a certain religion, cast, etc.; so this subject is in a way to-day's! And, we are finding in Canada and in the USA such obligated marriages and those who refused are killed, yes murdered. If we let, as free citizens, such murderers run our countries, are we civilized? How many gay men were burned to death in the WWII only because they were gay, countless, and other persons were murdered because murderers room. If Ennis is a straight man or a gay man and/or something else, that needs to be talked about, I think, as we can NOT be blind because many gay men are being murdered to-day in our countries and elsewhere for NOTHING!
Pray you inderstand why I am searching in many ways how to stop the needless killing of gay men and of others??
Your ideas are invited!! Please!! True, it could be that Annie did a fiction story; however, she did surely know about the needless killing of the Sheperd gay man, yes? And she still thinks about that, as she fears ( I feel) for gay men as she thinks daily about Ennis and Jack even to-day after she wrote her story!!
I would appreciate your ideas, etc., here, RossInIllinois,
like always your comments I do,
hugs!!
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