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BM movie is anti-gay??
Artiste:
Thanks Susiebell!
If you notice, Alma does blame Jack for the breaking of her marriage... right? !!
Is this NOT one way that the BM movie states that it is anti-gay?
And you can find many other ways?
Hugs!
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Artiste on November 07, 2007, 07:32:55 pm ---Thanks brokeplex!
I am perplexed by the wives: of Ennis, as well as by Jack's wife!! To me, those two wives got what they wanted, according to the movie!! Concerning Annie's story, maybe that is different?
I do not blame the women for getting married to those two men, nor am I blaming at all their two husbands, because they did what they could as their wives did likewise!! Qu'est-ce sera sera, yes whatever is, is; as the song goes!! Then, now, and in the future too in our societies!!! There are some changes in our civilisations, but there remains dangers too!!
Yes, Alma causes many troubles for Ennis, it seems so in the BM movie!! She is the one who refuses her husband!
One can not blame one nor the other? It seems that life is hard for both!! The fact that Ennis loves Jack, is not for her to blame her husband nor Jack?? !! But she does blame Jack??
Hugs!!
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Good morning Artiste! You are a tenacious fellow! You never give up! I admire that quality.One of these days, I'm going to travel up Montreal again and have a look at your paintings. Anyone this tenacious must be a fantastic painter!
You mention something in your above post that caused me again to write back, you write that "...Alma causes many troubles for Ennis......She is the one who refuses her husband!" Artiste I don't think the "refusal" was "trouble" for Ennis, Alma simply didn't want anymore children and wanted Ennis to put on a condom. Ennis couldn't be bothered, that aspect of his character I really didn't like. And I am not going to defend him by claiming that he was a product or his rural upbringing decades ago. His attitude was that of a jerk in any time or culture. Men who are gentlemen share equal rights with their partners in bedroom activities. That was true decades ago and today. It was Alma's right to decide whether to have intercourse with Ennis, condom or no condom. What I see is Alma attempting to accomodate Ennis, but she didn't want anymore children that they couldn't afford. So, Ennis being a jerk, just rolled over and went to sleep. "D-I-V-O-R-C-E!"
Artiste:
Thanks brokeplex!
Wow... you do mention something that maybe makes the BM movie anti-gay: condom, usage or not! ??
Is this subject of condom in Annie's story?
Hugs!
Artiste:
Thanks Sussiebell!
You say: Of course she blames Jack! ... and not because he's gay but because he had an affair with her husband!
This is maybe why, in a way, it makes the BM anti-gay! ?? It seems to me that on Oprah and other shows that women do NOT mind that their husbands play with another man!!
You saw that?
Hugs!
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Artiste on November 08, 2007, 12:06:52 pm ---Thanks brokeplex!
Wow... you do mention something that maybe makes the BM movie anti-gay: condom, usage or not! ??
Is this subject of condom in Annie's story?
Hugs!
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Artiste, in the movie Alma uses the word "protection". I took that to mean that she was referring to a condom. A condom would be the cheapest way for a heterosexual couple of the time (mid 1970's) in the economic circumstance of Alma and Ennis to try to avoid unwanted pregnancies. I really don't understand why this usage makes you think that Brokeback Mountain is anti-gay. Now....... don't give up! Write me back! My psycho Siamese kitty "Zoloft" is trying to walk on top of my keyboard, and I've got lotsa chores in downtown for today, so I may not get back to you for a while. Have a great day!
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