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BM movie is anti-gay??
souxi:
--- Quote from: Susiebell on November 09, 2007, 06:52:24 am ---Can I come and live in Gaga land with you Souxi? :) ..... Can Hugh and Jake come too? ;D
It doesn't seem like too much to ask does it, simply letting people live their lives in peace? :-\ ... maybe some day ....
Susie
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Can Hugh and Jake come too?? Of course they can!! Need you even ask??? btw, Hugh is mineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. All mineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. muahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ;) ;D
Artiste:
Oh! Oh!
Ennis and Jack living in Vermont!
I did do my art exhibition there and found indeed persons there with an let live way which was interesting!
So you saying that the BM movie is anti-gay souzi? Somehow?
Hugs!
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Artiste on November 08, 2007, 12:37:25 pm ---Thanks brokeplex!
May you have a great day! White snow covering roads, houses, trees, etc., here now! So dress warm your way too?
I must ask straight men especially about such protection!! ?? And ask ladies too!! ?? Maybe a woman then (and now) too used something (other than a condom)?? So it could be that a condom was just used by Alma to get rid of her husband? Alma had an eye on someone else?
This is one reason among others, that make the BM movie anti-gay in some ways! Alama would NOT have been jealous of Jack!!... may I say!!
What do you, and all, think?
Hugs!
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Thank you for your good wishes Artiste! You have no fear that I will catch cold, I am in Ft. Worth TX, and it is 79 Degrees today - I have been walking in a local park in my walking shorts. However,I am a bit jealous of your snow, I always miss it around Christmas.
To respond to your point about condoms, I believe Alma wished Ennis to use "protection" in order to avoid conceiving another child. The Del mar family was apparently struggling to make ends meet with both Ennis's wages as a ranch hand, and with Almas wages at the grocery store. They simply couldn't afford to have another baby.
That is not Anti-Gay, it is simply good sense, of which Ennis had very little.
Artiste:
Thanks brokeplex!
Can we see pic with your shorts on (and/or off, ha! ha!)?
Concerning your comments that you think that Ennis has not much sense, you do not know that I think the opposite?
Since Ennis does not want to use a condom in the movie, maybe that BM film is therefore anti-gay in that sense? At least a bit? Many straight as well as gay men do never use such for protection? !! However, this movie shows Ennis in the back of his wife? !! Why?? (Is this an anti-gay thing by the movie makers?)
Hugs!
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: atz75 on November 08, 2007, 02:42:34 pm ---Alma is one of my least favorite characters in the movie. And the main reason that I don't like her is I feel that she doesn't stand up for herself enough. Ennis treats her terribly in bed. We see this early on when he flips her over and she hates it. I think this is one of the worst scenes regarding Ennis. I think it's completely wrong to treat your partner that way... to make her have sex in a way that she hates.
So, I wish Alma stood up for herself even back then. And, the one moment when I do respect her is when she refuses to have sex with Ennis at the end of their marriage. It's hard for me to understand why she continued to stay in the marriage as long as she did after she learned that Ennis was having an affair... I really don't sympathize much with her decision to stay. And, I don't think dragging the marriage on was really doing Ennis any favors either.
I do also think Alma is homophobic... which comes out in the Jack Nasty comment. Her feelings of betrayal at Ennis having any affair are wrapped up in, what I feel, are some latent homophobic feelings for Alma. I think Alma's criticism of Jack with the "Nasty" comment is what really sends Ennis over the edge in the kitchen scene... for lots of reasons.
Hey Bud, I really enjoyed your post and agree with a lot of it. :)
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I agree with some of what you said above. But,I'm not sure that I can see Alma in an unfavorable light. She really didn't have a lot of options. Yes, divorce was legal in 1960's Wyoming, but she had to think about her children growing up in a conservative ranching town without a father. Back then there was still a huge stigma attached to divorced women. This stigma spilled over onto the children. Also, Alma was still in love with Ennis. Ennis was the love of her life. Yes, I hate the way he treated her -especially "flipping her over" to have sex in the way "he liked". I 'm not sure that went to the level of "assualt" or "rape", had he been deliberately overpowering her with his strength, I would call it assault. But, it was hard for someone as shy and sweet as Alma to stand up to Ennis. She made her compromises and tried to live with it. I give her high marks for really trying to live with an difficult situation.
I'm not sure that I agree with your comment that Alma's "Jack Nasty" comment was homophobic. I think her comment just reflected her bitterness at the breakup of her marriage, but also I see her trying to re-connect after a fashion with Ennis. In a way I think that she was trying to have the honest conversation with Ennis about his feelings for Jack that she should have had back in 1967 when she first saw Ennis and Jack kissing. I think that Ennis was sent over the edge because Alma was uncovering the truth about Ennis. For a deeply closeted homophobic man in deep denial such as Ennis, the only reaction that he could conceive of was assault. This wasn't Alma's fault that Ennis reacted the way he did.
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