Wow! Great thread! Yes, the post skinny dipping scene would be fun... But come on now people... we all know that we want to see exactly what happened between leaving the apartment following the reunion kiss and arriving at the motel... ...snip...
Thought I would put this here if ok.
Wouldn't have been cool if on the the day of the reunion scene they show Jack getting in his Red/white truck long before daylight in Childress, getting on the hwy, few hours later seeing the sun rise to the east as his truck eats up the road, eating sandwiches out of his metal lunch box so he won't have to stop, coffee out of thermos, flashing back to Ennis waiting for him, back to Jack making his way through Colorado, pensive look on his face ( if he only knew ), back to Ennis chain smoking, back to Jack a few hours later, road signs to Wyoming thru windshield bitting his nails, then lighting a smoke with the truck lighter, Ennis asleep on couch, mid afternoon truck from outside passes the green road miilage sign 'Riverton 107 miles', from inside Jack barrels down on the accelrator, we see the speedo pass 80MPH, determined look in his face and so on. Maybe with "the Wings"version used m the remix video www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOJAXto3hj8&mode as backround music.
I would have like to have seen what happened in between Jack's:
"Tell you what ..... the truth is ..... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it" and the next scene where it shows Ennis and Jack sleeping ...Ennnis' arm around Jack.
Sigh!
is that both the emotional part of the relationship and the sexual part of the relationship are extremely compelling.
Me too! Of course, the MOST resistant viewer wants no love or sex at all, and probably bolted during the first tent scene. But we can do without them.
You'd think Ang could at the very least have allowed a few more "loving glances, embraces & even slight touches" -- like the post-coyote-shooting pushes, or the post-Earl-story cheek caressing -- without violating his damnable code of restraint.
Okay, I'm sorry, everybody. I better stop or my housemates will have to dial 911!
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I agree, littlewing, more loving looks, especially Ennis --> Jack, would have been GREAT. In fact, one of my favorite moments (one of my 1,000 favorite moments) is when, in the reunion scene, just after Ennis starts to pull away from kissing in order to regain "propriety" and go see Alma ... but first, he strokes Jack's face and looks at him in this sort of slightly pained heavy-breathing besotted way (the way you look at somebody when your knees feel weak)... his face really close ... and then ... the nuzzle ... !!!!
OK, now MY housemates will be calling 911. (And BTW, this is exactly the kind of moment that so many romance movies are lacking.)
The point is, that moment lasted about 5/8ths of a second, and I could have used a LOT more of that sort of thing. Would it have killed them? Would it have really undercut the "never enough time" message all that much? They could add an hour and a half of loving looks and nuzzles and affectionate caresses and it still wouldn't be enough time, in my book. (Please, Director's Cut, please please please!!!)
If only we could take up a petition or start a letter-writing campaign or picket outside Ang Lee's house or something. I'm sure -- in fact, he has hinted as much in interviews -- that a lot more of that stuff ended up on the cutting-room floor. Well, pick it up off the floor, man, and get it onto video store shelves!
I'm afraid he won't, though ... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Okay, 911 is going to be on overload because I am about ready to pass out. That nuzzle is the GREATEST!!! You are all so right ... it (the kissing, nuzzling, etc.) goes by way too fast. That's why I have to play it at least three times before I can bring myself to continue on with the film. (BTW, that also applies to FNIT and SNIT. YEOW!!! ::))
That's for sure. Do you guys remember a thread at imdb titled "Ode to the Nuzzle"? A classic. (And it might be on the archives site.) You're right, littlewing, simultaneously hot and sweet is a good description. And Diane, it's fun to agree with you so vehemently about something! After all these months and hundreds of times of watching that moment (I have a downloaded reunion video), it still really gets to me.
How about we collect $80,000 and put another ad in Variety begging Ang to hand over all omitted love scenes?
latjoreme - it's okay to disagree, too.
How about we collect $80,000 and put another ad in Variety begging Ang to hand over all omitted love scenes?
Yup, that good ol' reunion scene never loses its power. Amazing!
:)
Hey, I have two bits of good news.
(1) That great "Ode to the Nuzzle" thread is in the archives. Yeehaw! It really is/was a lovely thread.
(2) At the time of this posting, BetterMost currently has 481 members. In order to raise $80,000 we'd all need to pitch in $166.33 (approximately... we'd have $4.73 left over after this with which to buy beans). That seems possible. Plus, we'd get a lot for our money since we know that there are at least 13 versions of the first tent scene. And, I've heard tell that it took them all day to shoot the reunion scene! Maybe we could all write this contribution off on our taxes as a donation to the betterment of society, humankind, etc. We all know the world would be a better place with more Brokeback Mountain in it.
:D
OMG! That is classic! LOVE IT!! ;D
Why thank you! Thank you very much!
Well, it seems that in the last half hour or so... since posting the fundraising calculations... we've acquired 2 new BetterMost members! Woohoo! So, the cost of each individual pledge has now gone down! Seriously, I wonder what Focus Features would do if they woke up one morning to a shiny new check for $80,000 dedicated to the Brokeback cause. We'd be a good ways towards funding a sequel (and even I wouldn't want that). ::) :laugh:
True ... it wouldn't be the same without Jake (I mean Jack ::)).
there are at least 13 versions of the first tent scene. And, I've heard tell that it took them all day to shoot the reunion scene!Aww... I feel really weird when I think of these unseen scenes being hidden away on a dark shelf somewhere, sort of like our boys are locked away & can't come out to play :(
Aww... I feel really weird when I think of these unseen scenes being hidden away on a dark shelf somewhere, sort of like our boys are locked away & can't come out to play :(
On the other hand, maybe we could raise the $80,000 and just hand it straight over to Ang as a bribe.
My additional scenes would be:
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2. Ennis coming home to Alma after BBM. I want to write that scene.
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........ he strokes Jack's face and looks at him in this sort of slightly pained heavy-breathing besotted way (the way you look at somebody when your knees feel weak)... his face really close ... and then ... the nuzzle ... !!!!
...That moment lasted about 5/8ths of a second, and I could have used a LOT more of that sort of thing. Would it have killed them? Would it have really undercut the "never enough time" message all that much? They could add an hour and a half of loving looks and nuzzles and affectionate caresses and it still wouldn't be enough time, in my book. (Please, Director's Cut, please please please!!!)
(1) That great "Ode to the Nuzzle" thread is in the archives. Yeehaw! It really is/was a lovely thread.
Gang,
I have been jonesing for deleted scenes since early December, so I understand where we're all coming from.
That being said, I do believe that the restraint truly enhances our longing and makes the film powerful in a way it might not be if some of the "unfilmed" scenes were actually included. Scenes filmed but not included would be very very interesting but I doubt that all together they could cure the longing expressed here for that which simply does not exist. IMHO if Jack and Ennis ever got what we want them to have, this fascination, this forum, and this discussion simply would never have existed. :)
the sex scenes were pretty much shot as is (that is what I have read from Ang, anyway).
That's funny, I thought I'd read Ang saying just the opposite -- that they went on much longer but were edited shorter! You may well be right; I haven't kept up with interviews that closely. I hope I am, though! Even if they're not included in a deluxe edition, we can always hope to find a bootlegged version someday.
Ennis is alone outside, unaware that Jack is attending the fair, on behalf of his father-in-law, as well. Jack exits the bar only to realize that they are shooting fireworks. Both men, unaware that the other is so close, stands on the grass admiring the fireworks. Then, unexpectedly, they look around and their eyes meet for the first time since Brokeback. For them the whole world just became the size of the distance between them. Nothing else matters, fireworks forgotten. Just the knowledge that what they had on Brokeback was still there, only that is was magnified a thousand times.
In my mind the scene would end with them standing a couple of meters apart, fireworks shooting in the background and "this years love" by David Gray the only sounds heard.
I know...I know..i'm a terrible romantic. So shoot me! I do realise now, after seeing the movie, what importance the actual second meeting had - so even though I don't really want anything changed, I do smile when I think about my original idea of the scene.
That being said, I do believe that the restraint truly enhances our longing and makes the film powerful in a way it might not be if some of the "unfilmed" scenes were actually included. Scenes filmed but not included would be very very interesting but I doubt that all together they could cure the longing expressed here for that which simply does not exist. IMHO if Jack and Ennis ever got what we want them to have, this fascination, this forum, and this discussion simply would never have existed.
The restraint in this movie really gives the film an overall feeling that, amongst many other wonderful things, methodic, pure, and hypnotic. This movie is such a tease.
I agree too, & that is one of the factors that sets it apart from so many of the main blockbuster films where they hand the emotions you should be feeling over on a plate, complete with matching theme music. :P It's so lazy! But there's a time & a place for lazy, just not virtually every single film that's released.
The first time I saw the movie I thought Ennis would get to take Jack's ashes to Brokeback, and perhaps Jack would pay him a posthumous visit.
I thought he'd get the ashes, too. I didn't think about the posthumous visit. However, I thought when Ennis died, his ashes would be scattered on BBM, too, so they could be together for eternity.
There are two other scenes I would love to see ....I think the scene you describe after SNIT is 4-6 weeks later.
After SNIT scene ... unsure actual timeline: Jack and Ennis are joking around. Ennis' belt is undone. They fall to the ground and kiss. Then we don't see what else Aguirre is seeing. According to the book, Aguirre waits to go down to the camp until Jack and Ennis have both put on their pants and Ennis has left to go up to the sheep. Yeow!!! ::)
I have been jonesing for deleted scenes since early December, so I understand where we're all coming from.
I too thought that Jack's ashes would be spread on Brokeback. When Ennis left the Twist house without the ashes, I was really surprised. It just adds to the hurt of the film, I feel; it tells us that even in death Jack's dreams were denied.
I guess in my mind it went some like this.
That picture of him there is so freakin' sad. Imagine what a posthumous visit from Jack for Ennis would be like?
I guess in my mind it went some like this.
Ennis is sitting alone after riding up to Brokeback after finding the 2nd campsite.
Jack, appearing as when Ennis first met him, come from behind places his hand on his shoulder.
Ennis stands up, startled and frightend, backs away but still holding on to Jacks arm, shaking.
"S'alright Ennis, just came t' see ya. Say goodby till..." Jack takes Ennis, hold him in a tight embrace. "Thanks for bringing the ashes.
Ennis in tears. "Jack I'm so sorry, I wish I was there to save....."
"Shhhhhh....S' ok Ennis. I know you love me more than you can ever say, from when we were here so long ago, the looks in your eyes, how much you been miss'in me now. I remember how you sat on that very hill the day I told we had to go. All the years you 'a me been together in the mountians. I love you more than ever I could tell you, for always. When you found the shiirts we wore up here I kept yours closest to my heart and now mine is to yours. You have a lot of years left but know when your grandchildren are grown our time together will be near and it will be just like this, just like this always. I will come to you in your dreams and sometimes when you sleep I will wrap my arms tightly around you, and if you look on the horizon you might see me riding way off in the distance. I will always be alive in your heart Ennis DelMar.
Final tightning of the embrace and gentle release Jack turns begins to walk away and fades into thin air.
Thats how I would see, but it would be more conventional.
Oh JP, this is so beautiful! I am fighting back tears as I write this! Isn't it amazing how our boys wrap themselves around our hearts? So much poetry is inspired by them, and your beautiful piece...wonderful!
Ennis...Ennis can you hear me? I'm right her beside you bud. So glad your up here with me in my room. When I was growing up, didn't have no brothers or sisters. Always had chores after school, nobody would come all the way out here to play. the toy rider, the little pickup, nobody's hands on 'm but mine. And now here you are in my room where I lay in my bed at night praying to the Lord to bring me someone so I wouldn't feel so all alone. And he sure answered my prayers bud, that day so many years ago when I first saw you, know 'n I was a goin' to spend summer with ya, I knew then the Lord gave me Ennis Del Mar, you have been everything to me, became a man with you that summer. Now don 't ya go worrin' about me always wishin' for what cudd'a' been, I'm save 'n a place for us and we'll be together for always.
Ennis..... could you please look in on my mama from time to time, it been so hard for her, I know you will bud...I know I don't even have' t ask.
One more thing Ennis, if you can hear me, go to the closet, there is something of both of ours together there, you'll know when you see it, take it keep it close, it'll help you through until were together again. I...I love you so very much Ennis.
Ennis...Ennis can you hear me? I'm right her beside you bud. So glad your up here with me in my room. When I was growing up, didn't have no brothers or sisters, no other kids around.. Always had chores after school, no one would come all the way out here to play. The toy rider, the little pickup, nobody's hands on 'm but mine. And now here you are in my room where I lay in my bed at night praying to the Lord to bring me someone so I wouldn't feel so all alone. And he sure answered my prayers bud, that day so many years ago when I first saw you, know 'n I was a goin' to spend summer with ya, I knew then the Lord gave me Ennis Del Mar, you are my very best friend, been everything to me, became a man with you that summer. Now don 't ya go worrin' about me always wishin' for what cudd'a' been, I'm save 'n a place for us and we'll be together for always.
Ennis..... could you please look in on my mama from time to time, it been so hard for her, I know you will bud...I know I don't even have' t ask.
One more thing Ennis, if you can hear me, go to the closet, there is something of both of ours together there, you'll know when you see it, take it keep it close, it'll help you through until were together again. I...I love you so very much Ennis.
thought I would give you a laugh instead of maybe shed a tear.
Jack to himself: Been here all day and Ennis didn,t say a thing about my new mustache. Grew it just fer him. Didn't even notice it when I laid one on him good. Damn thing itches all to hell.
Ennis to himself: What's with Jack and that mustache of his. Looks like a catapillar crawled up and died under his nose. Handsome face he got, goes a spoil 't, can't even see that mole he got above that mouth of his. Damn thing itches all to hell.
Ennis to Jack:
Jack I been missin' you so bad, can't tell you how much. Can't believe I'm never gonna see you again, big smiile o' yours, feel your arms 'round mine. I know now how you felt keep'n these shirts together so long, means so much. Jack I'm so sorry I hurt you, never meant you no harm, always sending you away, please if you can forgive me Jack. Jack ....Jack I wish I see you just once more ,so I could tell you... Jack, I swear... I love you so very much.
Ennis...Ennis s'alright...s'alright, right here beside you bud, won't ever leave. You said it to me evey minute we spent together, your big wide smile, the look in you eyes when you looked in mine, I saw you heart breaking whever we parted. You gave me so much Ennis, I thank the Lord for all the best days of my life spent with you, no man deserves the joy I felt with you,certianlly not me I will always be in you heart Ennis, sometimes I be in your dreams, sometimes I hold you when you sleep.. When your time comes still many years from now, I'll be there to greet you with my arms around you tight and we'll be together just like it was ,always.
Ennis thinking to himself:
Thought Jack was goin' to punch me when I said 'Weight Watchers'. Don't he ever look in the mirror? And why hasn't he taken off that hat of his? Sure hope he ain't be goin' bald. What'll I do then?
Jack...Jack I'm so sorry your gonna be endin' up here. All I ever wanted was to protect ya, not let anyone hurt ya. I wish I cudda been there to stop 'm, would have tore apart with my bare hands Jack. Jack there was nothing I ever wished for more than to just be with you, felt so bad it just couldn't be. Never wanted to leave Brokeback, stayed there fer ever iffin' we could. I miss'n you so much Jack.....Jack your the very best friend I ever had.
Ennis....Ennis s'alright can ya hear me? I know Ennis...I know it all. I know what you felt from the day we met, I see how you looked at me when I was asleep, I see you at camp lookin' up fer me when I was up with the sheep. I know you only meant to keep us safe, I know how you heart broke to say it couldn't be, I see you at the side of the road with tears in your eyes whenever we parted, I see the joy in your face when we'd meet again, I see the grief you feel now. Ennis...s'alright you have the shirts, the rest don't matter, hold them close...and remember.... .I love you so very much. Ennis...Ennis look quick, see the horse and rider way out on the prairie? That's me an ol 'Cigar Butt' always be a' watch'n over you cowboy, never let happen to you what did to me, I'm so, so sorry Ennis. Ennis I will always be in you heart, you see me in your dreams and after you take you last breath we'll be together again, always.
Ennis thinking to Jack
Jack...Jack I'm sorry I had to send you away. I can't tell you how bad I feel, know I won't sleep a wink thinkin' what I put you through.. I sent you the card to let you know my troubles, felt better that I could tell 'm to you. I just wasn't thinkin', didn't know what the words would mean to you. I took that smile of yours right off you face, never saw ya lookin' so sad. So sorry ya came all this way, wouldn't blame ya a bit if ya never came back. Jack...Jack it felt so good to be in in your arms, see that smile 'fore I took it away. JacK I hope you can forgive me, and sure hope you be there next month like ya said.
Jack...Jack I'm so sorry your gonna be endin' up here. All I ever wanted was to protect ya, not let anyone hurt ya. I wish I cudda been there to stop 'm, would have tore apart with my bare hands Jack. Jack there was nothing I ever wished for more than to just be with you, felt so bad it just couldn't be. Never wanted to leave Brokeback, stayed there fer ever iffin' we could. I miss'n you so much Jack.....Jack your the very best friend I ever had.
Ennis....Ennis s'alright can ya hear me? I know Ennis...I know it all. I know what you felt from the day we met, I see how you looked at me when I was asleep, I see you at camp lookin' up fer me when I was up with the sheep. I know you only meant to keep us safe, I know how you heart broke to say it couldn't be, I see you at the side of the road with tears in your eyes whenever we parted, I see the joy in your face when we'd meet again, I see the grief you feel now. Ennis...s'alright you have the shirts, the rest don't matter, hold them close...and remember.... .I love you so very much. Ennis...Ennis look quick, see the horse and rider way out on the prairie? That's me an ol 'Cigar Butt' always be a' watch'n over you cowboy, never let happen to you what did to me, I'm so, so sorry Ennis. Ennis I will always be in you heart, you see me in your dreams and after you take you last breath we'll be together again, always.
Ennis thinking:This is so sad. I wish it would have been like this in the movie. Sigh.
Jack don't let go, just hang on to me. Don't quit me please....I didn't mean it when ah said 'let me be'. Don't leave. Only thing that makes it all worth it is coming here ta se you. Jack please say ya be back...I miss ya more than ya ever know when your gone.
I think Ennis and Jack were gay before they met. Jack because as soon as he sees Ennis outside Aguirre's trailer, before they've ever exchanged words, he appears attracted to him. Ennis because he also seems attracted to Jack fairly quickly. But also in his case, I think there's also a clue in his extreme shyness and repressed behavior: I think he's like that because he had to grow up hiding his sexuality from his homophobic father.Thankyou.
Back to the fantasy scenes. Mark, they are really touching.
I love these last two pics, JP. Are they part of some deleted scenes? I don't see them in the DVD.Yes I believe so on the camping with Jack. The other I think is a production photo. they can be found:
Yes I believe so on the camping with Jack. The other I think is a production photo. they can be found:
http://pics.livejournal.com/fa_sharp/gallery/00017r57?.view=grid
Mark
Thanks for posting this fantastic link, Mark. So that's where all the beautiful pictures come from! By the way, looking at those makes me wonder: the postcard in the closet in the last scene isn't the same one that Ennis first receives from Jack in 1967, is it? I'm assuming not, or someone would have mentioned it by now. But I couldn't find a picture of the last scene from that angle.No if you look that was from New Mexico, but I do think regardless since it was the first card Jack sent (bet Ennis kept them all) it should have been tacked up with the shirts, Jacks words out.
EMBRACE OF STEEL
This is one of my most favorite scenes. It makes my heart smile. A picture IS worth a thousand words.
I agree with you about the leaving. I did describe on of their partings in one of my "Fanfic" stories.
One scene I would've liked to see is the boys separating from a camping trip. I know we saw them come down from Brokeback in 1963 and pack up after their last trip together, so it's not really necessary at all, but I would like to see the emotional toll it took on Jack and Ennis when they returned home.
Wow! Great thread! Yes, the post skinny dipping scene would be fun... But come on now people... we all know that we want to see exactly what happened between leaving the apartment following the reunion kiss and arriving at the motel... Or between leaving the apartment that afternoon through all of the motel scene and then on to the diner for breakfast.
;)
Actually, this could link up nicely with the skinny dipping scene...
::)
I would've liked to see more action at the motel scene. It doesn't have to be sex, but some cuddling and kissing. I think it would be nice to see them kissing passionately again, hugging and caressing each other, and on a bed! Also, a little scene with them kissing or something when they were older, would've been nice to watch too. *sigh*
I would've liked to see more action at the motel scene. It doesn't have to be sex, but some cuddling and kissing. I think it would be nice to see them kissing passionately again, hugging and caressing each other, and on a bed! Also, a little scene with them kissing or something when they were older, would've been nice to watch too. *sigh*
Jack taking his last breaths:
Lord take care of Ennis, tell how much I loved him, keep him safe, keep him from being afraid, help him forgive me, wrap your arms around him for me. Lord thankyou for giving Ennis to me , I'm sorry if I didn't always treat him they way you would have me too, cause'n him pain, thankyou for all them days you gave us together, every one of them....Help him not be sad, missin me, being him joy remembering the times you gave us together....
Ennis thinking:
Oh Jack...Jack ya saved our shirts all these years, yours over mine. This is what you wanted me to find. Bet ya didn't think I remember but we was wearin' these same shirts that day we met, I held on ta ya with this blue one that night I came to the tend and ya took my hand and...that next night ya took this one of mine off so carefully askin' me if it was ok, saying s'alright. I promise Jack I will always take care of 'm, only thing I have left of ya. I'm so sorry I puched ya that day, I was just so scared an upset 'bout havin' ta leave early, leaving our home we had on Brokeback. Jack. I never meant ta hurt ya Jack, never would do anything ta cause ya pain, ya always been so good ta me. I wish I had that day back, never wudda let ya go Jack, and mebe just mebe ya would still be here.I didn't mean it when I said leave me be, didn't ever want that, hope ya forgive me. Missing ya awful bad Jack, don't know if I'll ever be goin' ta the mountians again without ya there.
Dear Lord: Be with Jack, treat him special, he deserves it. Tell him how much I loved him, how much I needed him, don't knew if he ever knew. He was the very best fried I ever had. Please Lord let 'm know.
Ennis....Ennis can ya hear me?...Ennis? I know Ennis, I know ya loved me, 'salright. I saw it in your smile when I did that rodeo dance by the campfire, I saw in your eyes when ya came into the tent that night so frightned, I saw it whenever we'd meet squeezing me to tight I'd thought I'da bust, I saw it in your face by our campfire. I see it now that day ya got that first postcard, how excited you were to pack for a trip, I see it now when ya dream of me, I see how much your missing me now Ennis. You found the shirts Ennis, most valuable thing I'd ever owned were those two shirts, yours and mine, no fancy truck or house could ever take their place. I know they mean the same to you, keep them close ta remember those days we had on Brokeback,I know you'll take care of 'm. Ennis it's really me in your dreams, don't worry they won't never stop, and sometimes when you sleep you'll feel my arms around you tight, may face against yours, just like when we were together. Be ah watching over you Ennis, till were dancing together in heaven. Ennis ....Ennis Del Mar know this, you were loved more that ya can ever know, take that with you always, get ya through the years ahead, look back and remember the joy. Ennis I could never quit you, never. Never meant to say it, hope ya forgive me. You Ennis will always be my cowboy.
Jack taking his last breaths:
Lord take care of Ennis, tell how much I loved him, keep him safe, keep him from being afraid, help him forgive me, wrap your arms around him for me. Lord thankyou for giving Ennis to me , I'm sorry if I didn't always treat him they way you would have me too, cause'n him pain, thankyou for all them days you gave us together, every one of them....Help him not be sad, missin me, bring him joy remembering the times you gave us together....
Jack thinking:
No Ennis this on Brokeback summer, what'll I do now?
Ennis has to go back to the post office to sign for a special letter. It reads:
May 15, 1985
Mr. Ennis Del Mar
1800 Hwy 287 #17
Riverton, CO 82501
Dear Mr. Del Mar(Ennis)
We're very sorry it has taken so long to get this letter to you. Jack's estate has been a slow to settle, and I finally did find one of the post cards you had sent with your address, it was in his camping gear. Jack was very fond of you and spoke of you often, I know you meant an awful lot to him. Being that he was only 39 years old he never got around to writting a will. Jack did say once should any thing happen to see to 'Ennis'. I used to give him a time about driving 14 hours to Wyoming every time to fish, and why you never came to Texas. He said about both of you liking the Big Horn mountians and that he didn't think the pickup you had would make it all the way down to Texas.
-Inside the enclosed envelope you will find a check for $25,000.00. That should buy you a nice new pickup and horse tralier. Jack said you didn't have a trailer of your own and usually had the horses in the bed.
-Also you will find a check for $10,000.00. This is to start a bank account for yourself.
-Jack always told me how proud you were of your two daughters. Jack really loved Bobby and was a good father to him. Somehow I know you were a good example in this regard. Please find two checks of $5,000.00 each to use as you see fit for your daughters welfare.
Please accept these, I know it is what Jack would want.
Also enclosing a few photos of Jack you might like to have, one I took of his rodeo ridding days not long after he met you, a family picture with myself and Bobby, and a couple of others.
Hope this letter find you well and if there is anything more we can do for you please don't hesitate to write. If you ever find yourself in Childress, Texas please look us up.
Sincerely Mrs. Lureen N. Twist
Whouldn't this be nice? I could see Jack wanting to help Ennis and his daughters.Actually if Jack did leave a will I bet he would have left Ennis at least this much and enough to get him started on a ranch of his own.
Actually if Jack did leave a will I bet he would have left Ennis at least this much and enough to get him started on a ranch of his own.
Ennis thinking:
Oh Jack...Jack ya saved our shirts all these years, yours over mine. This is what you wanted me to find. Bet ya didn't think I remember but we was wearin' these same shirts that day we met, I held on ta ya with this blue one that night I came to the tent and ya took my hand and...that next night ya took this one of mine off ah me so carefully askin' me if it was ok, saying s'alright. I promise Jack I will always take care of 'm, only thing I have left of ya. I'm so sorry I punched ya that day, I was just so scared an upset 'bout havin' ta leave early, leaving our home we had on Brokeback. Jack. I never meant ta hurt ya Jack, never would do anything ta cause ya pain, ya always been so good ta me. I wish I had that day back, never wudda let ya go Jack, and mebe just mebe ya would still be here.I didn't mean it when I said leave me be, didn't ever want that, hope ya forgive me. Missing ya awful bad Jack, don't know if I'll ever be goin' ta the mountians again without ya there.
Dear Lord: Be with Jack, treat him special, he deserves it. Tell him how much I loved him, how much I needed him, don't knew if he ever knew. He was the very best fried I ever had. Please Lord let 'm know.
Ennis....Ennis can ya hear me?...Ennis? I know Ennis, I know ya loved me, s'alright. I saw it in your smile when I did that rodeo dance by the campfire, I saw in your eyes when ya came into the tent that night so frightned, I saw it whenever we'd meet squeezing me to tight I'd thought I'da bust, I saw it in your face by our campfire. I see it now that day ya got that first postcard, how excited you were to pack for a trip, I see it now when ya dream of me, I see how much your missing me now Ennis. You found the shirts Ennis, most valuable thing I'd ever owned were those two shirts, yours and mine, no fancy truck or house could ever take their place. I know they mean the same to you, keep them close ta remember those days we had on Brokeback,I know you'll take care of 'm. Ennis it's really me in your dreams, don't worry they won't never stop, and sometimes when you sleep you'll feel my arms around you tight, may face against yours, just like when we were together. Be ah watching over you Ennis, till were dancing together in heaven. Ennis ....Ennis Del Mar know this, you were loved more that ya can ever know, take that with you always, get ya through the years ahead, look back and remember the joy. Ennis I could never quit you, never. Never meant to say it, hope ya forgive me. You Ennis will always be my cowboy.
Ennis: I'm sorry Jack, I didn't mean what I said about weight watchers and not lettin' ya ride my horses anymore. Tell ya what, Joe Agguire boards his horse at the ranch fer awhile now. Me 'n him's friendly enough now he'll let me borrow his fer next time.
Wouldn't have been cool if on the the day of the reunion scene they show Jack getting in his Red/white truck long before daylight in Childress, getting on the hwy, few hours later seeing the sun rise to the east as his truck eats up the road, eating sandwiches out of his metal lunch box so he won't have to stop, coffee out of thermos, flashing back to Ennis waiting for him, back to Jack making his way through Colorado, pensive look on his face ( if he only knew ), back to Ennis chain smoking, back to Jack a few hours later, road signs to Wyoming thru windshield bitting his nails, then lighting a smoke with the truck lighter, Ennis asleep on couch (etc.)
Ennis:
Jack, I'm sorry I didn't mean ta hurt ya feelings none when I said your stomach made a good pillow. Didn't usta' though.
Ennis Thinking:
Sure is a smooth lookin' fella. Look's ta be a good cowboy, probrably c'n rodio good too, has lots ah girls chasin' 'm. Wunder if its him 'r me fer the job. Hopin' Ah didn't come all this way fer nottin'. They wunda send both of us up ta herd sheep whud they? Now that whud be somin'.
Jack Thinking:
No the Army didn't get me, but you sure as hell did Ennis Del Mar.
Jasck:
Dammit Ennis! You belong ta me and I belong ta you. Ain't nuthin' you or I can do ta change that. Don't matter none that we both got married, had kids. Don't even matter that I live over 700 miles away. Sh..t it don't ever matter that this is all we got, two, three weeks ah year rompin' in the forest. Yer always be mine Ennis Del Mar.
Ennis thinking:
Whut's with Jack and those damn sideburns? Trying ta look like Elvis er whut? Sure packing on the pounds like Elvis. Can't sing like him, hope he doesn't try. Jack's sure 'lot prettier then Elvis, cant tell him so, not being queer and all.
Jack:
Dammit Ennis! You belong ta me and I belong ta you. Ain't nuthin' you or I can do ta change that. Don't matter none that we both got married, had kids. Don't even matter that I live over 700 miles away. Sh..t it don't ever matter that this is all we got, two, three weeks ah year rompin' in the forest. Yer always be mine Ennis Del Mar an I always be yours.
Ennis Thinking:I'm really loving your ongoing ruminations, jpwagoneer1964. Lots of really good insights into the characters, and nice doses of humor to boot.
Sure is a smooth lookin' fella. Look's ta be a good cowboy, probrably c'n rodio good too, has lots ah girls chasin' 'm. Wunder if its him 'r me fer the job. Hopin' Ah didn't come all this way fer nottin'. They wunda send both of us up ta herd sheep whud they? Now that whud be somin'.
In the book it leads you to believe that Jack was up alone the previous year. "Both enjoying the company of the other where none was expected."
On this one here, you got me thinking about something that had never occurred to me before. Ennis and Jack might have seen each other as potential rivals for employment outside that Signal trailer. Even with the possible attaction both men felt for one another even then (possible for Ennis, even more likely for Jack), they might have been sizing each other up for far less libidinous reasons. Thanks for introducing me to this idea!
Scott M.
In the book it leacd you to believe that Jack was up alone the previous year. "Both enjoying the company of the other where none was expected."Very good point--that nuance had evaded me previously. And that would explain why Aguirre came down so hard on Jack for the loss of the sheep due to the lightning strike; there might have been no one else to (unfairly) blame.
There is NO WAY they thought of each other as rivals...in the short story, it says "They came together on paper as camp tender" and "sheep herder."Right--I meant to refer to the possible implications of how the scene plays out in the film alone; in the story, there would have been no undercurrent of competition, though we do learn that both boys had not expected company on the mountain.
Jack's dream:
Hey Ennis, remember that summer we were on Brokeback?
Sure do bud.
Well next month it'll 40 years, since we...since we met.
I'll be dammed. 40 years!
Brokeback sure got us good, didn't it.
Sure did Jack.....sure 'nuff did.
Very cute JP! Sometimes I imagine to myself that after the "Jack, I swear" scene, Ennis would wake up and realize that the entire 20 years was just a dream in the TS1. Jack is still young, alive and well, and Ennis would have a second chance at making a better decision. If only.And then Ennis slippeds his arm around Jack and holds him tight pressing against him..
And then Ennis slippeds his arm around Jack and holds him tight pressing against him..
" S'alright, s'alright........shhhhh..... damn you Ennis....go ahead and bawl, s'alright....ain't lettin' ya go, hang on to me tight..... stay in my arms as long as ya want....ain't leaving till your ready, it's ok, I ain't going nowhere....shhhh.....s'alright........nobody here but us bud...."
I think that scene is miraculous, but since I first saw it I had a need - it actually feels like a need, not a wish - to have Jack go that little bit further in his comforting of Ennis. Ennis is coming apart at the seams. He is having the emotional meltdown of his life, percipitated by his feelings for Jack, and the only way he can move from this crisis point/ moment of reckoning is if Jack helps him through it. Your lines ring true and make me just that little bit surer of Jack's absolute support and love... this is beautiful, really beautiful.Thanks for the post. Even though we're not shown, you know that Jack would stay and take care of Ennis as long as he needed to. Even if we didn't see Jack watch Ennis drive away.
"Now that were workin' together about time we started drinkin' together"Ain't it the truth! I really like this post, a lot!
"Your brother and sister do right by you"
"Nobodys business but ours"
"What in the hell happened,Ennis?"
"It could be like this just like this always"
"Sometime I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."
"Never enough time..never enough."
"Damn you Ennis."
"I'd watch it there, that horse has a low startle point." "Figured you were sore from that punch."
"I was sending up a prayer of thanks."
"Ain't no reins on this one."
"Gonna fix 'm just the way I use ta."
"I can't stand this anymore Jack."
"Jack I swear."
All mean 'I love you'
Don'T want folks worrin' over me I'll be alright. Missing Jack real bad, miss most sleepin' with my face againt his, all of me against him. Shed a lot of tears and I'll shed many more, but but I had somethin' ta miss, very most important thing of all. I still feel him against me sometimes, sometimes I see him in my dreams, feel like he ah watchin' over me, never far away, keppin' me safe
Beautiful. I read the story A Better Idea. It really gives you a whole new perspective. To me this is one of the most gut wrenching scenes in the movie. Every time I see it, if I am not crying, I think of the old saying "You don't know what you got till its gone." So sad, but so true. I love your postings. So emotional.Mark's last post just got those ol' Brokeback tears flowing again; I'm not over this yet, not by a long shot.
Mark's last post just got those ol' Brokeback tears flowing again; I'm not over this yet, not by a long shot.
This shot is, to me, the key moment of the entire film. You see Ennis's entire life story written on his face here.
:'(
Scott M.
Ennis thinking: I never felt so safe and warm and whole.
Sh**t, All this way, no job, Ennis isn't here. What 'll I'll do now. F**k I can't even breathe.
Sh**t, All this way, no job, Ennis isn't here. What 'll I'll do now. F**k I can't even breathe.
Kemmenger Safeguard Lfe and Casualty
Texas Main Office
11304 Washington Ave
Houston, Texas 77017
April 17, 1984
Mr. Ennis Del Mar
1800 Hwy 287 #17
Riverton, CO 82501
Dear Mr. Del Mar
We are saddened by your recent loss of Mr. Jack Twist. You had meant a lot to him.
Please find check enclosed for $500,000.00 dated December 15th, you Mr. Del Mar were the sole benificery of life insurance policy purchased from us by Mr, Twist on March 14, 1968 and upgraded several times as shown on form. Please have the enclosed form signed, notirized and returned to us in the envelope provided. Also please find a sealed note from Mr. Twist.
Again we are sorry for your loss and hope this legacy from Mr. Twist will ease the sorrow.
Sincerly Mr. Allen Raferdy
Benifecery Manager
Kemmenger Safeguard Lfe and Casualty
March 14, 68
Ennis
If your reading this it means I'm gone. I just hope it's a long time from when I wrote this and we had a lot of time together. Want you to by a ranch of your own with the money an what ever else you want. For Christ sakes get yourself a new pickup.
Your cowboy forever
Jack
Kemmenger Safeguard Life and Casualty
Texas Main Office
11304 Washington Ave
Houston, Texas 77017
April 17, 1984
Mr. Ennis Del Mar
1800 Hwy 287 #17
Riverton, CO 82501
Dear Mr. Del Mar
We are saddened by your recent loss of Mr. Jack Twist. You had meant a lot to him.
Please find check enclosed for $500,000.00 dated April 26th, you Mr. Del Mar were the sole benificery of life insurance policy purchased from us by Mr, Twist on March 14, 1968 and upgraded several times as shown on form. Please have the enclosed form signed, notirized and returned to us in the envelope provided. Also please find a sealed note from Mr. Twist.
Again we are sorry for your loss and hope this legacy from Mr. Twist will ease the sorrow.
Sincerly Mr. Allen Raferdy
Benifecery Manager
Kemmenger Safeguard Life and Casualty
March 14, 68
Ennis
If your reading this it means I'm gone. I just hope it's a long time from when I wrote this and we had a lot of time together. Want you to by a ranch of your own with the money an what ever else you want. For Christ sakes get yourself a new pickup.
Your cowboy forever
Jack
:'( :'( :'(
January 15, 1984
Mr. Ennis Del Mar
1800 Hwy 287 #17
Riverton, CO 82501
Dear Mr. Del Mar(Ennis)
I know how hard Jacks death has been on us and must surly been on yourself. Had some things of his I thought I would send up to you that I think he would want you to have. Please let me know if I can send them care of this address. They are as follows.
-Saddle, Jack had a couple of nice saddles this one he had the longest and Bobby said this was the one he always took on yourfishing trips.
-Hooded heavy coat, nearly new thought you would like wearing it when it gets cold.
-30 30 shotgun, this is the one he took hunting and had the longest. Bobby got another one.
-Seiko wristwatch.
-Thought you might want this, it's just and old belt way to small for Jack for a long time ,but its has a bullridding buckle.
-Several shirts you should get good use out of, take the ones to Goodwill you don't want.
-Two pairs of cowboy boots.
Jack thought an a lot of you and spoke very well of you. Hope the letter finds you well and please give my regards to your family. If there is anyting I can do for you please let me know.
Lureen Newsome Twist
Childress, Tx
Jack to himself:
Damn you Ennis, I wish I could tell you how much ya mean to me, if I could make you understand how much I missed you, even that first summer so long ago lookin' down at our camp from the mountian at Brokeback. When I try I say it, I f**k it up, say things I never ment you to hear, cause you anger and pain, I forget how scared you are and end up hurting you more. Ennis I hope you can forgive me and you will be here in the fall, I'm so afraid you won't, just like I was so afraid you would send me away if I tried see you after Brokeback. If I could only tell you how I cry my eyes out on side of the road every time we part, and wish that I could be in your arms just like up here always. I live for the days I am with you, and if that's all you can give, I'll accept and treasure those few, let it be till next time, maybe then I can say it right.... I love you so much Ennis Del Mar.
thought I would give you a laugh instead of maybe shed a tear.
Jack to himself: Been here all day and Ennis didn't say a thing about my new mustache. Grew it just fer him. Didn't even notice it when I laid one on him good. Damn thing itches all to hell.
Ennis to himself: What's with Jack and that mustache of his. Looks like a catapillar crawled up and died under his nose. Handsome face he got, goes a spoil 't, can't even see that mole he got above that mouth of his. Damn thing itches all to hell.
Ennis thinking:
Oh Jack...Jack ya saved our shirts all these years, yours over mine. This is what you wanted me to find. Bet ya didn't think I remember but we was wearin' these same shirts that day we met, I held on ta ya with this blue one that night I came to the tent and ya took my hand and...that next night ya took this one of mine off ah me so carefully askin' me if it was ok, saying s'alright. I promise Jack I will always take care of 'm, only thing I have left of ya. I'm so sorry I punched ya that day, I was just so scared an upset 'bout havin' ta leave early, leaving our home we had on Brokeback. Jack. I never meant ta hurt ya Jack, never would do anything ta cause ya pain, ya always been so good ta me. I wish I had that day back, never wudda let ya go Jack, and mebe just mebe ya would still be here.I didn't mean it when I said leave me be, didn't ever want that, hope ya forgive me. Missing ya awful bad Jack, don't know if I'll ever be goin' ta the mountians again without ya there.
Dear Lord: Be with Jack, treat him special, he deserves it. Tell him how much I loved him, how much I needed him, don't knew if he ever knew. He was the very best fried I ever had. Please Lord let 'm know.
Ennis....Ennis can ya hear me?...Ennis? I know Ennis, I know ya loved me, s'alright. I saw it in your smile when I did that rodeo dance by the campfire, I saw in your eyes when ya came into the tent that night so frightned, I saw it whenever we'd meet squeezing me to tight I'd thought I'da bust, I saw it in your face by our campfire. I see it now that day ya got that first postcard, how excited you were to pack for a trip, I see it now when ya dream of me, I see how much your missing me now Ennis. You found the shirts Ennis, most valuable thing I'd ever owned were those two shirts, yours and mine, no fancy truck or house could ever take their place. I know they mean the same to you, keep them close ta remember those days we had on Brokeback,I know you'll take care of 'm. Ennis it's really me in your dreams, don't worry they won't never stop, and sometimes when you sleep you'll feel my arms around you tight, may face against yours, just like when we were together. Be ah watching over you Ennis, till were dancing together in heaven. Ennis ....Ennis Del Mar know this, you were loved more that ya can ever know, take that with you always, get ya through the years ahead, look back and remember the joy. Ennis I could never quit you, never. Never meant to say it, hope ya forgive me. You Ennis will always be my cowboy.
Ennis thinking:
Don't know why but somethin' tell me Ah will aways remember this day. Guess Ah'd better pay attention.
could't agree more!! hate that mustache!!!!!!!!!!!!
so funny... you're brilliant!
Lucu!
Jack and me, we always held on ta each other real tight just before we got in our pickups, couldn't hardly breathe. We would silence our ears , each pretending we didn't hear the other bawlin', just hangin' on. That last time was the only time I fell down against Jack, kept me from fallin'. We both said some things the other could hardly stand ta hear, hurt each other kinda bad. But by the time we wuz ready ta drive away things were ok again. Jack stayed squeezin' me real warm, makin sure I wuz ok.
Hi JP,Here are a couple of reruns of the recent more serious of 'Photo Captions' for you. I see what else I can come up with as well.
will you have more coming on before we leave for chrismast holiday?
Damn that Twist...was just about ta tell him couldn't make August...an he goes tellin' how bad he misses me. Guess Ah 's just have ta wait till later...hate ta tell 'm at all. Don't he knows how much Ah miss him? ...Nothin' Ah'd like better than ta be with 'm all the time like we's up here...but...just can't be so...
My favorite would have to be the scene where Jack gets Ennis's postcard that says "You Bet" Can't out see the smile on his face and the look in his eyes?Truman, you are 100% right!
Always hated John Twist for saying it but I guess it needs to be there to let Ennis know that it was indeed a tire iron...
Wish Annie Proulx had come up with something to COMFORT Ennis when he's hurting so badly.
Well, she did! And she hung it in the closet upstairs!
Well said.
However, thinking about it, Did that comfort him or add to his pain?
I know it broke my heart when I saw the scene. :'(
many times now, when i rewatch the movie, i stop until the reunion.
i stop the time there. because moving forward is still so painful.
if just Ennis had the courage to drop everything and snatch Jack from his all-settled-Texas life, and run somewhere, just hold it and hide together until a couple more years when homosexual couples can be accepted ... it wouldn't have been this tragic.