One immediate comment I'd like to make about this exchange is to note Jack's seeming naivete when making his proposal to Ennis, specifically, inviting him to relocate to Texas. I have little doubt that Childress circa 1978 (sorry, I don't have the published screenplay before me to more specifically date this scene) would have been any better or safer than Riverton at that same time in terms of a gay, bi, or man-loving man living his life in comfort and security as a welcome member of the community. Ennis senses Jack's naivete and rebukes him for it, and doesn't appreciate at the time what a beautiful gift Jack's dreams really represent.
Hi Leigh-Ann!
Thanks for that great post! :)
I think one of the reasons that Ennis is so paranoid and concerned following the confrontation with Alma... is that he does not know that Alma witnessed him and Jack kissing. So, as far as Ennis can understand... Alma just somehow deduced that he's gay. He's probably worried that he's giving off signals or clues that he's not even aware of.
well, i don't think ennis is confused about how alma knew 'cause she already told him about tying the note to his fishing line. she told him she used to wonder why he never brought home any fish.
and jack did have some confrontation about his gayness. he was totally shot down by the rodeo clown, he was told off by agguire, and he was ridiculed by jd newsome several times.
i think jack not only persued ennis without a lot of fear of being discovered, but he persued his sexuality without crippling fear. yes, he hid it, but he knew he was gay, and he was going to live as a gay man when and where he could. mexico, leshawn's husband, ennis, whatever.
i think despite his fears, he embraced his sexuality more than ennis, who was paralyzed by fear.
i think moving to texas was again showing jack's optimisim. jack was very optomistic at times....ennis, not so much. ennis saw problems, whether valid or not....
yep, and that's why i think he is so silent when leshawn's hubby asks about the cabin. i think it took jack for a loop 'cause i don't think he knew how he knew. (what's that guy's name again?)
it's nice chatting about this azt.
keep posting if you think of anything new.
Ennis's immediate reaction to Jack's proposal to move to Texas was not about their
relationship. It was about his relationship to his daughters. He said "Maybe you could convince
Alma to let you and Lureen to adopt the girls." " Then money would rain down from L.D. Newsome,
and we could all live together herdin sheep." I think he was trying to discuss his newly discovered
queer status. How much other people could tell about his queerness just by looking. He was
still afraid of being found out. Then Jack again mentioned his moving near him, and that was an
irritant. He didnt want to discuss them living together. Therefor the anger he displayed. Basically
"I dont want to go into that again. I was wondering about the awareness of others to us. Me and
you as QUEERS." That i think was the conversation that he wanted to get into. And Jack angered
him by bringing up the same thing HE had always wanted. Thereby making him angry.
Now further than that we can go int all the symbolism. The dropping the bucket, and the
things that might have been getting away. Or the fact that it was water under the bridge or
on down river. However you wish to catagorise it. Jack once again foiled, and stomping off
this time because of his plans being stunted yet one more time. I believe it was showing how
they both had the same issues that stopped them in the beginning. Nothing solved nothing
changed. Yet again. They didnt talk to each other with intent, on listening to the others ideas,
but at each other. With their own agenda in mind period.
To me this scene is pretty complex and I think it starts with Ennis asking Jack if things are 'normal' between him and Lureen - if she ever suspects. Jack pauses a bit there and nods. Ennis appears to take him at his word and continues with asking about if he sometimes thinks other people suspect...
I have the sense here with Jack's hesitation, then silent nod, that things are NOT normal between him and Lureen and that Lureen does suspect. It reminds me a bit of the 'I'm not queer' scene where Jack says 'Me neither' and averts his gaze. I think he's lying - not maliciously - his motivation is likely to not give Ennis more to worry about. As someone else pointed out, Jack also protects Ennis from the knowledge that Aguirre knew about them. I have the sense that if Jack had acknowledged that things weren't really 'normal' with Lureen, he would have encouraged Ennis to open up more about his experiences with Alma and his fears.
So even though they're talking, I don't think they're communicating. And Ennis' derisive response to Jack's 'Maybe Texas?' suggestion shows his frustration that Jack isn't really hearing him...We get another 'Jack F-ing Twist' as Ennis chases the bucket down the stream.
Yes, I agree that there's already something notable about Jack's reply to the "normal" question from the very beginning of the conversation.
The whole question of how Jack and Ennis communicate (or fail to communicate) is pretty interesting.
When their relationship is still at the friend/budding-romance stage... their communication is pretty good. Actually, the scene where Jack listens to Ennis say more than "he's spoke in a year" seems to show that Ennis is already super comfortable with Jack and is in the process of making him a confidant. Jack's ability to make Ennis laugh (when Jack understands that it's important to provide a little humor and lightheartedness to Ennis's rough situation) is also an instance of great, and very happy communication.
I think it might even be reasonable to say that from the beginning, Ennis's sense that he can talk to Jack pretty freely (by Ennis's standards at least) is one of the big attractions that Ennis feels towards Jack.
And, from there things get way more complex... and the complexity seems to really be signaled with the "I'm not queer" discussion between TS1 and TS2.
I wonder if this "maybe Texas" conversation is the second side of the palindrome (or ink-blot) for the "I'm not queer" scene, in terms of BBM's filmic structure.
I like that point!
I have the sense here with Jack's hesitation, then silent nod, that things are NOT normal between him and Lureen and that Lureen does suspect. It reminds me a bit of the 'I'm not queer' scene where Jack says 'Me neither' and averts his gaze.
Well, yes, Alma explains that she figured things out about the fishing trips, the note, etc.
But, also Ennis is now worried about "people on the pavement" looking at him "suspicious" like "they know." I do think Ennis is worried that folks are somehow able to figure him out by the way he looks (or something like that).
I definitely think you're right that Jack simply lives without at much fear as Ennis, even when it comes to the issue of sexuality.
I agree, however there is a revealing sentence in the story that I think indicates Ennis has been giving some thought,albeit abstract to how the 2 of them could be together.In the motel scene Ennis says "I goddamn hate it that your'e going to drive away in the mornin and I"m goin back to work.-----"shit I have been lookin at people on the street.This happen a other people? What the hell do they do?"Is he looking to Jack as the more experienced to provide him with the answer?
It seems that Ennis must have some inkling,no matter how primitive or buried within his psyche that others have experienced what he and Jack have.He must have come at least partly to terms with his own feelings,otherwise why does he ponder what other people do. Interesting too is the fact that he has been thinking of this in the 4 years before he meets up with Jack again.
Equally revealing is jack"s reply ,'I don't know what they do,maybe go to Denver.'and I don't give a flying fuck"So if Ennis was hoping for some solution from Jack he is gravely disappointed,Equally puzzling to me is why jack mentions to ennis that he thinks they may have been seen that summer.Hardly the way to quash any fears inherent in the deep recesses of the mind of Ennis.
I think for Jack the place is irrelevant,he just has a pipe dream of some utopia where they can be together,period. Ennis has obviously given some thought as to how others manage it.A point which seemessd at odds with his normal laconic self.Maybe the same can be applied to him as his daughter,he does not say much ,but what he does sure is telling.
I think one of the most poignant sentences in the book is when Ennis reveals to Jack that after they come down from the mountain and he was sick,"took me about a year a figure out it was that I shouldn,t a let you out a my sights.Too late then by a long,long while"So he had been searching for answers for a year!!
My interpretation then is that Ennis gave up when he realised why he had been sick,and yet could not silence the nagging doubts as to if it happened to others ,what did they do about it,Jack of course is flippant in his "go to Denver" What puzzles me is when Ennis is for once being painfully honest and revealing his innermost thoughts,why does Jack not jump at the opportunity.Is it that he is still processing what Ennis said about it being too late by a long long time?
Well those are my thoughts and feel free to disagree,I think Texas is maybe as throwaway as Denver.Fundamentally I feel they both realise the ship has long since sailed.Having realised that ,all the frustrations of the years erupt.
Sorry if I have digressed a little,I just thought the motel scene in the book maybe casts some light on the film scene.
But, also Ennis is now worried about "people on the pavement" looking at him "suspicious" like "they know." I do think Ennis is worried that folks are somehow able to figure him out by the way he looks (or something like that).
Maybe Ennis is worried about the "people on the pavement" because, at that point of the story, not only does Alma know his secret but Monroe, too. (Even if Alma had never uttered a word of her suspicions about Ennis to Monroe before that time, Monroe would have known what was what on Thanksgiving.) Monroe works at the grocery store and probably knows lots of people. After that Thanksgiving, Ennis couldn't help but wonder what people were saying about him behind his back.
Ennis is also aware that Jack asked "about 10 different people" where Ennis had moved following the divorce. So, I think a lot of things add up to making Ennis feel very worried about random people knowing his secret.
I do to some extent agree that Jack still retains some vestige of hope. What concerns me is the conundrum in rhe story (motel scene)when he tells Ennis he thinks they may have been seen.If Ennis then concludes (and who knows) that even in their idyllic summer when they felt so carefree,they were being observed,what hope elsewhere.I just wish Jack had really listened to the ,what do other people do.Reading between the lines I suspect he was so desperate just to have some more time with Ennis once they left the motel that he missed completely the significance of that simple statement.
Hey Bud!
Great post! Well, things certainly become more complex once the story is added to the interpretive mix here. It's interesting to try to imagine where and how the filmmakers and screenplay writers displaced some of the conversations and details from the story into the film at various places. I think it's pretty clear that a lot of the details that we learn in the long "motel scene" in the story provide material for different scenes in the film. And, I think it's interesting to compare how story-Ennis seems compared to film-Ennis when this comes up. I think you're totally right that story-Ennis was quite self-aware by the time of the motel scene compared to film-Ennis in the movie version of the motel scene. Yes, I think in the story motel scene Ennis is quite open in explaining his feelings (without saying the word love, of course). I think film-Ennis has a much slower evolution emotionally. I think film-Ennis is in love with Jack by the time of the motel scene in the movie... but he may not be totally conscious of it yet (maybe).
So, I can certainly see how this later "maybe Texas" film scene could be a displacement of the conversation you highlight in your post. That makes sense to me.
And it is really striking the similarities in Jack's language... in the story it's "maybe go to Denver." And in the film it's "maybe Texas". These are great observations optom3!
But, I do think in the film that Jack is still really truly hoping that Ennis might be convinced at least to move closer. In this "maybe Texas" scene I think he's hoping that he's realized that maybe he can use Ennis's fear in a way that could maybe, finally, bring them closer together. I don't think Texas is a "throw away" answer at all. I think this is meant to demonstrate Jack's persistent hope. I think Jack gets so upset at the end of the scene because Ennis squashes down his hope again.
And, about the Denver answer... LOL... I love that answer in the story. It's one of the rare sort of light moments. I'm not sure that it's flippant... I think it's sort of realistic.
I do to some extent agree that Jack still retains some vestige of hope. What concerns me is the conundrum in rhe story (motel scene)when he tells Ennis he thinks they may have been seen.If Ennis then concludes (and who knows) that even in their idyllic summer when they felt so carefree,they were being observed,what hope elsewhere.I just wish Jack had really listened to the ,what do other people do.Reading between the lines I suspect he was so desperate just to have some more time with Ennis once they left the motel that he missed completely the significance of that simple statement.
Having missed out on that he continues to nurture his dream of a life together and would seem to take every opportunity,to yet again broach the subject.
I find it so full of pathos that no matter how many times he is rebuffed he continues to bounce back for more.However as the film progresses,to me at least there seems to an inexorable desperation in his suggestions.It is almost as if he knows the answer,but will still use any excuse to introduce the idea.maybe even he has come to the realisation that it is not to be.
I keep comming back to the same conclusion in both story and film .that the whole premise hinges on the bittersweet regret of lost opportunities,whilst simultaneously wishing that at least in the story Jack had listened more closely to the sub text.Still got to love him for perseverance against all odds.The other thing that puzzles me is when he spends so much time travelling to meet Ennis.No distance seems too great,as witness the visit ,post divorce note,why does he suggest Texas which would involve Ennis doing the travelling.has he finally had enough of the effort all seeming to be one way.
Ironic then that the one (I think) card from Ennis to Jack re the nov. meeting is the harbinger of doom.Well yet again I seem to have asked myself more questions than resolved any issues.
What a great thing this Brokeback is.Never ever have I so analysed and dissected any film or book.It is such a treat to have an author who rather than spoon feeding us every detail,allows us to ponder and reflect on all the various connotations for ourselves.
One thing in that scene that always gets me: "Jack fuckin' Twist" echoes Ennis at the reunion scene. But the tone is so different.
Mel, how do you interpret story-Jack's little quip about Denver? I've always just thought it was cute, but now that I'm thinking about it in terms of this sort of parallel "maybe Texas" film scene, I wonder if there's more to the Denver line than I had thought before.
I've always thought of it as a indication of how impossible Jack and Ennis found it, to be simultaneously rural men and to be gay. "Maybe move to Denver" sounds to me like "maybe move to the Moon" - like Denver is completely foreign from their existence. Denver might be part of the West, but a city is no place for a ranch hand.
I've always found the line to be incredibly sad.
Ennis is also aware that Jack asked "about 10 different people" where Ennis had moved following the divorce. So, I think a lot of things add up to making Ennis feel very worried about random people knowing his secret.
ENNIS You and Lureen, it's uh… normal and all?
JACK Sure.
ENNIS She don't ever suspect?
JACK [silence]
But personally, my guess is that Jack wasn't being fully truthful here, because he's never wanted to add to Ennis' fears. But interestingly, more truthfulness on Jack's part may have been the better solution, like with Aguirre. (If Ennis had known that Aguirre knew, in the long run he may have felt a bit safer, since Aguirre evidently told no one.)
I love your point, BBM-Cat, that Jack's non-empathy is a big mistake. Ennis truly feels alone in his dilemma (an island indeed),
Well, that's a good point... that the Denver suggestion does seem to indicate that Jack at least perceives a disconnect between rural life and being gay. I guess it is sad.
It's interesting that with the Denver comment it does seem entirely hypothetical or rhetorical (or something like that). But, with the "maybe Texas" in the movie, there seems to be a lot of real intention there.
The only thing I don,t agree with is the plates, I think he just dropped em lol. ;D
Ennis is a man of few words and I think that anything he says is to be taken at face value.
And I like the idea that the knowledge of the people on the pavement is also about the knowledge in his own head. (If that's what you're saying. That's how I read it, anyway.)
Ennis rarely says what's actually on his mind.
Um, it was a bucket floating down the river...if you want to know more about the buckets, go here please!
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,569.0/all.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,569.0/all.html)
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Oh sorry I,m sure. Bucket, plate who cares? Picky. ::) ::) ::) And I still say he just dropped it. How can dropping a bucket in the water mean anything significant? Or is there something mysterious about buckets I,m not aware of? hmmmmmm. ;) ;D
Sure there is. Maybe if you read the thread Front-Ranger linked? But that's not everybody's cup of tea. Some people are just not (that much) into symbolism, and that's completely ok. You're not the only one who disagrees about things like buckets, metal or whatever. :)
Yep, we differ here. At the post divorce scene, he says he had the girls this weekend which he did. The most telling line for me was when he said that he didn’t know what to say. He couldn't think of anything to say to heal Jack's hurt therefore he didn't say anything. When he did apologise, he said to Jack "]I'm sorry]..you know I am". Those brief words told Jack everything. Of course it was horrible for Jack to hear, but it was honest.
I just read the link. Blimey you guys sure see a lot in the humble old bucket. I shall have to pay more attention to buckets in future obviously. ;D
I think that he is beginning to attempt to start trying (phew!) to define his relationship with Jack.
He asks three times.
Yeah, but having the girls is partly a convenient excuse. I'm not saying he should have gotten rid of them and shirked his parental duties. But he could have told Jack to wait around, or whispered that indeed his divorce DID mean their relationship could move to a new level, or invited him back the following weekend, whatever. Instead, he kept nervously glancing at the passing white pickup. He's sorry to Jack not because he has other plans that weekend, but because he can't be what Jack wants him to be.
Souxi, when I first saw the subject line of that thread almost two years ago, I just rolled my eyes and thought, yeah, right, buckets -- aren't we getting a little carried away? I didn't even read the thread! But finally I did and was immediately convinced. The presence and meaning of buckets and coffee pots are not accidental.
Needless to say that my reaction to that thread was before I knew Front-Ranger very well, so I wasn't aware of her incredible acuity at detecting symbolism.
Well we,ll just have to agree to differ here, because even though I have read the link, I,m afraid my eyes DID roll, and I thought, well it doesn,t matter what I thought lol, but suffice to say, the only thing symbolic to me about Ennis dropping the bucket into the water is that he had a clumsy moment and dropped the bucket, end of. And what on earth do coffee pots symbolise then? I realise I must be incredibly dense, but I don,t geddit, sorry. It,s just a coffee pot with coffee in it. I seem to remember a similar discussion about Jack and Ennis,s hats and the fact that they were a different colour? Again all that meant to me was that they had different tastes in colour, I don,t see anything deep and meaningfull in it.
I,m really dull and uninteresting arn,t I lol. ;D
Um, it was a bucket floating down the river...if you want to know more about the buckets, go here please!
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,569.0/all.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,569.0/all.html)
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I wonder how Ennis would have reacted if Jack had said, "No, it's not normal-normal is with you", "yes, she suspects there's someone else" and "no, I don't think anyone who sees me automatically knows".
Would Ennis have moved to Texas?
But I do think things between them would have (or at least could have) gone better had Jack been able to take the chance Ennis offered him. The toll on their lifes and on their realtionship was not only caused by the times being separated but also by the fact they both didn't know what to make of it. They both didn't have the words to express themselves (and to be fair, for the most time neither the need for it).
Another thing I find interesting is Ennis's speech about Jack and Lureen adopting the girls, raining money from LD Newsome, herding sheep, etc. This thoughts didn't come from nothing. He said those things sarcastically to Jack because he was angry. But why did he exactly say these words? Why mentioning his girls? I think his choice of words shows two things: Ennis wished just as much as Jack for things to be different; he must have given their situation some thoughts (which is already proven by the questions he asked which started the conversation) and maybe even allowed himself some weird daydreams from time to time. Second, even in his wildest dreams it never occurred to him to abandon his daughters. Even the mere thought of moving to Texas (as absurd as it was to him) involved his girls also being in Texas.
Hi Chrissi,
I'm not sure I understand what chance Ennis was really offering Jack. Sure, it was a chance to talk, but in terms of offering a new solution or idea to the way their relationship was organized... I don't think Ennis was offering much of a chance.
I think what you note here about Ennis's sarcastic remarks here is very good.
I think the metaphors he uses and the bizarre-hypothetical scenario he describes do reveal something about Ennis's own longings and frustrations about being separated from Jack.
Yup. I always believed Ennis longs for them to be together permanently just as much as Jack did. And I think Jack was very wrong in the lake scene argument when he said "But you didn't want it" (the sweet life) to Ennis. Ennis wanted it just as much. But he couldn't for the life of him figure out how, and also wasn't able to acknowledge it to Jack.
One question... in the story isn't the line "you wouldn't do it"... as opposed to "you didn't want it" in the film? I'm at work and I don't have my story in front of me. So, correct me if I'm wrong. But, those two phrases seem very, very different (and may be a pretty significant alteration from story to screenplay).
I wonder how Ennis would have reacted if Jack had said, "No, it's not normal-normal is with you", "yes, she suspects there's someone else" and "no, I don't think anyone who sees me automatically knows".
Would Ennis have moved to Texas!
I love your point, BBM-Cat, that Jack's non-empathy is a big mistake. Ennis truly feels alone in his dilemma (an island indeed), the perfect setup for him to get together with Cassie in the next scene. How can Ennis refuse when the perfect cover (or at least her feet) falls right in his lap?
Nice chatting with you too Bud! It's a nice way to pass the time here at work. ::) ;D
Anyway, Randall is the guy on the bench with Jack. Yes, I think Jack is sort of stunned by the whole turn of events at that dinner dance. I think there's a lot of flirting between Jack and Randall at the table and then it is raised to the way-next level by Randall on the bench. I'm sure there are a million things running through Jack's mind at that point. One of which, may be "how does he know?". But, I think he's also weighing his options about saying yes or no... and he's also probably freaked out that Randall happens to suggest fishing (since that's his big association with Ennis).
On the other hand, I think Jack has particularly good "gaydar"... so I think he had Randall figured out at the table.
Ennis, on the other hand, during the main "maybe Texas" scene in question, seems to be (in part) worrying about "gaydar" in another way. Worried about how people are starting to perceive him. And, it really is interesting that here we almost hear Ennis admit that he understands that he's gay or at least "different."
Hey Janice! I think this post is great. I do think this scene illustrates just how much Ennis and Jack are stuck on their own issues and are almost speaking passed one another or at cross purposes. This scene really strongly demonstrates how much of a strain their relationship is under given the conditions placed on it.
huh, my thought at that moment was that Jack was thinking of Ennis. Going to Mexico for a little relief is one thing....starting a new relationship with a man that knew him was different. to me it showed he was thinking of moving on from Ennis. and was very torn by the idea.
Thanks LauraGigs - you hit the nail on the head, empathy was certainly lacking. I always kind of cringe when I watch the 'Maybe Texas' scene, thinking Jack missed a big opportunity there. I don't think Jack displaying empathy and reassuring Ennis' fears would have ultimately changed anything as far as outcomes, but at least Ennis might not have felt so alone in his experience (rational or irrational). How I wish Jack had given just a tiny nod of acknowledgement or a soft 'yeah' to Ennis' questions about people 'knowing' or 'suspecting'. But as others have alluded that would have meant admitting to being queer.
And you're right, the perfect setup for Ennis to get together with Cassie.
Jack's lack of empathy or understanding wasn't new. I never quite understood why Jack responded so 'detached' to Aguirre's message to bring the sheep down. He didn't seem all that bothered. Ennis was clearly upset at this. And used money as an excuse. I always wondered if Jack understood what Ennis was saying or better, not saying at that point. He responded by offering Ennis a loan, which was not the answer Ennis wanted or needed.
I always wondered if Jack understood what Ennis was saying or better, not saying at that point. He responded by offering Ennis a loan, which was not the answer Ennis wanted or needed.
Excellent thread! I'll attempt to add my two cents worth.
I think this is one of the defining moments of the whole film. Here we have Ennis finally verbalizing his own fears in more than a few words. You can tell he has been thinking about their relatioinship, and wants to know how Jack feels. Then we have Jack, again trying to "circle" ever closer to Ennis, in an attempt to realize that "sweet life" that he so desperately wants. In my humble opinion, I think that by now, Ennis wants this too, but his fear is still holding him back, as is obvious by his response to Jack's suggestion of 'getting out of there' to "Maybe Texas". Probably, by this time Jack is beginning to see that it is very unlikely things will progress much from here on.
Excellent thread! I'll attempt to add my two cents worth.
I think this is one of the defining moments of the whole film. Here we have Ennis finally verbalizing his own fears in more than a few words. You can tell he has been thinking about their relationship, and wants to know how Jack feels. Then we have Jack, again trying to "circle" ever closer to Ennis, in an attempt to realize that "sweet life" that he so desperately wants. In my humble opinion, I think that by now, Ennis wants this too, but his fear is still holding him back, as is obvious by his response to Jack's suggestion of 'getting out of there' to "Maybe Texas". Probably, by this time Jack is beginning to see that it is very unlikely things will progress much from here on.
Ver' good, WINGS! Thanks for adding your thoughts.
Yes, I think it's definitely true that they both mean really well in this scene but are talking past each other. I wish Jack could be a bit more sensitive, but partly that's because -- as in the earlier leaving Brokeback scene -- I know that, unlike Ennis, he's capable of it. He has his own agenda, but who can blame him?
Ennis, for his part, is similarly insensitive in the "Sometimes I miss you so much ... " scene. Again, he probably has his reasons; perhaps, for instance, he's already nervous about having to tell Jack he can't make it in August. But as a result he leaves Jack hanging when Jack was reaching out.
atz75/ineedcrayons Enjoyed your insights. Here's something that came to mind as far as Jack's feelings by the time of their final meeting. ****SPOILER**** Jake Gyllenhaal made an interesting comment regarding the scene immediately after "The Dozy Embrace" where we see the older Jack standing and watching Ennis drive away, for, unbeknown to him, what was to have been the last time. Jake said something to the effect that 'that's when Jack died'. Of course this would refer to Jack's inner feelings, and finally coming to the conclusion that it was extemely unlikely for he and Ennis to ever be together permanently. I noticed this quote on the findingbrokeback.com site in the section showing all the dvd captures of the various filming locations.
Certainly a very interesting and thought-provoking comment from the man who not only turned in an outstanding perfomance but had in effect BECOME Jack Twist throughout this wonderful film.
Thanks for your comments and letting me share mine with you all.
THE WINGS
Jake Gyllenhaal made an interesting comment regarding the scene immediately after "The Dozy Embrace" where we see the older Jack standing and watching Ennis drive away, for, unbeknown to him, what was to have been the last time. Jake said something to the effect that 'that's when Jack died'. Of course this would refer to Jack's inner feelings, and finally coming to the conclusion that it was extemely unlikely for he and Ennis to ever be together permanently. I noticed this quote on the findingbrokeback.com site in the section showing all the dvd captures of the various filming locations.
Certainly a very interesting and thought-provoking comment from the man who not only turned in an outstanding perfomance but had in effect BECOME Jack Twist throughout this wonderful film.
Jake said something to the effect that 'that's when Jack died'.