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Title: Gift of Exile fanfic
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 11, 2009, 11:24:33 am
From here on out, I’ll be posting pictures and background material for my fanfic on this blog instead of on the Fanfiction thread.  Some of the pictures from that thread will be re-posted.


Grandma's Saloon, the setting of Chapter 26, played an important role in Duluth during the 1970s and early 1980s.


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Grandma's Saloon: exterior of restored building


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Outdoor eating area with the Aerial Bridge in the background



Publicity photos, interior, from the 1980s:

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All these photos, other than the color exterior picture, are courtesy of Kerry Port at Grandma's.
Mr. Port’s general overview of the restaurant's role in recent Duluth history:


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During a controversy about the route through Duluth for I-35 during the late 1970s, "Grandma’s had many local activists from both sides hanging out. Eric Ringsred was a very good customer, who was one of the leading opponents of the highway project. While then Mayor, John Fedo, was also a regular customer.

"Grandma's Marathon," an annual 26.2-mile race, was "started in 1977. It was started by Grandma’s Restaurant Company. We owned, organized, and financed the entire project for the first 10 years as a promotion to help the restaurant become more well known and as a way to sell more burgers on that weekend. "  For more info and photos of Grandma's Marathon, see http://www.grandmasmarathon.com/
Title: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 11, 2009, 11:31:03 am
David's physical appearance is based on actor Hans Matheson, though there's a 10-year age difference:


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As Nero


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Mordred in Mists of Avalon


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Yuri Zhivago in a TV remake of Doctor Zhivago, 2002


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As an older Yuri Zhivago.  As the actor's appearance was "aged" for these scenes, this photo is closer to David's appearance (minus the beard) than the other pictures.  When he appeared in the Doctor Zhivago remake and in Mists of Avalon, Hans Matheson was about 10 years younger than David is supposed to be (36) at the beginning of GOE.

Title: Fog in the Refrigerated City: what Ennis saw
Post by: Marge_Innavera on July 23, 2009, 12:31:31 pm
A few pictures of the type of fog common in Duluth, mentioned in these current chapters:

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View from Skyline Drive, at the top of the hill. David's house would be on the peninsula stretching off to the right.

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The same view in heavy fog.


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Shoreline view of fog moving in, with one boat clearly visible and another, a little further out, half-obscured.
Title: GOE: Rose Hill Cemetery
Post by: Marge_Innavera on July 23, 2009, 12:39:29 pm
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Two views of Rose Hill including the entrance



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Two spring views.



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Statue and other monuments in the older section.




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This setting will look familiar to fans of the Allman Brothers Band – it was featured on the cover of their first album. It’s at the back of the cemetery by the railroad track.


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Epitaph for a local doctor, who apparently enjoyed life.

The site of Nathan’s painting actually exists in Rose Hill and I have visited it several times. Unfortunately, I haven’t been yet able to locate a photograph of it.
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: retropian on August 16, 2009, 07:41:12 am
David's physical appearance is based on actor Hans Matheson, though there's a 10-year age difference:


(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q135/talkstocoyotes/HansMathesonNero.jpg)

As Nero


(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q135/talkstocoyotes/HansMathesonMordred.jpg)

Mordred in Mists of Avalon


(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q135/talkstocoyotes/HansMatheson1.jpg)

Yuri Zhivago in a TV remake of Doctor Zhivago, 2002


(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q135/talkstocoyotes/HansMathesonYuriZ.jpg)

As an older Yuri Zhivago.  As the actor's appearance was "aged" for these scenes, this photo is closer to David's appearance (minus the beard) than the other pictures.  When he appeared in the Doctor Zhivago remake and in Mists of Avalon, Hans Matheson was about 10 years younger than David is supposed to be (36) at the beginning of GOE.



I watched the DVD of "The Tudors" recently and Hans Matheson is in it. When I saw him, I immediately recognized him and exclaimed "It's David!". Fortunately I was alone! ;D
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: Marge_Innavera on August 19, 2009, 10:04:59 am
I watched the DVD of "The Tudors" recently and Hans Matheson is in it. When I saw him, I immediately recognized him and exclaimed "It's David!". Fortunately I was alone! ;D

I have The Tudors on my Netflix queue and am looking forward to seeing it, especially "David's" role.  ;D   From what I've read it's very well done except for some irritating historical liberties.

Haven't come up with a prototype for Nathan, although he never directly appears in the story outside the earlier scene right after Jack's death. I picture him as having light brown or blonde hair, about the same height as Ennis but more big-boned and less rangy.
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 19, 2009, 10:31:49 am
I have The Tudors on my Netflix queue and am looking forward to seeing it, especially "David's" role.  ;D   From what I've read it's very well done except for some irritating historical liberties.

Take it from me, Marcia, the historical liberties aren't just irritating, they're downright infuriating.

I won't tell anybody not to watch anything, but if you ever want to see good and much more accurate dramatizations of Tudor history, the gold standard remains the old BBC productions from the 1970s of The Six Wives of Henry VIII and Elizabeth R. Both series are available on DVD.

(Cate Blanchett personally makes a very good Elizabeth I "for our times," a worthy successor to Glenda Jackson in Elizabeth R., but the historical liberties in Elizabeth made me want to puke in my popcorn. The sequel wasn't quite as bad, but it was still disappointing. Helen Mirren was ... OK ... as Elizabeth I, but the best thing about her outing as Good Queen Bess was actually Jeremy Irons as the earl of Leceister and Hugh Dancy as the earl of Essex.)
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: Marge_Innavera on August 19, 2009, 10:50:57 am
Take it from me, Marcia, the historical liberties aren't just irritating, they're downright infuriating.

I won't tell anybody not to watch anything, but if you ever want to see good and much more accurate dramatizations of Tudor history, the gold standard remains the old BBC productions from the 1970s of The Six Wives of Henry VIII and Elizabeth R. Both series are available on DVD.

Well, I've been warned so I'll focus on the performances and whatever the movie has about the period in general - it's one of my favorite historical eras.

I'm also a fan of Jesse James history and The Tudors can't possibly be any worse than that weirdity that HBO released a few years ago.
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: retropian on August 19, 2009, 10:53:03 am
Take it from me, Marcia, the historical liberties aren't just irritating, they're downright infuriating.

I won't tell anybody not to watch anything, but if you ever want to see good and much more accurate dramatizations of Tudor history, the gold standard remains the old BBC productions from the 1970s of The Six Wives of Henry VIII and Elizabeth R. Both series are available on DVD.

(Cate Blanchett personally makes a very good Elizabeth I "for our times," a worthy successor to Glenda Jackson in Elizabeth R., but the historical liberties in Elizabeth made me want to puke in my popcorn. The sequel wasn't quite as bad, but it was still disappointing. Helen Mirren was ... OK ... as Elizabeth I, but the best thing about her outing as Good Queen Bess was actually Jeremy Irons as the earl of Leceister and Hugh Dancy as the earl of Essex.)

Love love love "Elizabeth R", Glenda Jackson was too perfect in it. I need to see it again. "The Tudors" is crap, but entertaining crap none the less.
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 19, 2009, 11:09:22 am
Love love love "Elizabeth R", Glenda Jackson was too perfect in it. I need to see it again. "The Tudors" is crap, but entertaining crap none the less.

Sometimes all you ask or need is entertaining crap.  ;D  And I understand that there are some guys in The Tudors who are pretty easy on the eyes. ...  ::)
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: retropian on August 19, 2009, 07:07:42 pm
Sometimes all you ask or need is entertaining crap.  ;D  And I understand that there are some guys in The Tudors who are pretty easy on the eyes. ...  ::)

Oh yes, lots of loverley eye candy. Perhaps the most historically inaccurate part of the series, is that they all seem so clean. What would someone look like if they only bathed once annually? Not like these guys, but I'm not complaining, freshly showered is good.
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: Marge_Innavera on August 20, 2009, 09:52:08 am
Oh yes, lots of loverley eye candy. Perhaps the most historically inaccurate part of the series, is that they all seem so clean. What would someone look like if the only bathed once annually? Not like these guys, but I'm not complaining, freshly showered is good.

There was an excellent movie out a few years ago about Joan of Arc. I'm not sure how historically accurate it was overall but there were moments of "uncomfortable history", as museum workers often call it.  One was a scene where she was spending the night as a guest of the king -- surely the best accommodations anyone in Europe could hope for in those days.  There's a scene in Joan's bedchamber when she's just gotten out of bed; she's talking with a friend and casually picking what's evidently little bugs out of her hair, with neither character seeming to think anything of it.

That's my complaint re just about all 'traditional' Westerns -- not only are the characters, especially women characters, sporting totally out of place hairstyles, they all look like they bathe daily.
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: retropian on August 20, 2009, 10:41:28 am
There was an excellent movie out a few years ago about Joan of Arc. I'm not sure how historically accurate it was overall but there were moments of "uncomfortable history", as museum workers often call it.  One was a scene where she was spending the night as a guest of the king -- surely the best accommodations anyone in Europe could hope for in those days.  There's a scene in Joan's bedchamber when she's just gotten out of bed; she's talking with a friend and casually picking what's evidently little bugs out of her hair, with neither character seeming to think anything of it.

That's my complaint re just about all 'traditional' Westerns -- not only are the characters, especially women characters, sporting totally out of place hairstyles, they all look like they bathe daily.

That is one thing few historical movies or TV series take into account when trying to be accurate: The dirt and lack of personal hygiene. The bad teeth (a major cause of death), and breath etc. In the Tudors, everyone looks freshly scrubbed and perfumed and have great teeth. That's OK, it's still a highly entertaining show.
Title: Re: GOE: Hans Matheson
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 20, 2009, 10:55:23 am
That is one thing few historical movies or TV series take into account when trying to be accurate: The dirt and lack of personal hygiene. The bad teeth (a major cause of death), and breath etc. In the Tudors, everyone looks freshly scrubbed and perfumed and have great teeth. That's OK, it's still a highly entertaining show.

If I haven't said enough bad things about The Tudors already, here's another one.  :laugh: What I have seen of the costumes--you can buy reproductions of some of the costumes from Museum Replicas--especially the men's costumes, look incredibly cheap and cheesey to me.

Accurate Historical Spoiler. ...

Sorry, I can't help myself. ...  :-\

For anyone who may not know this already, it was Henry VIII's younger sister Mary (not Margaret) who was sent off to France to marry the elderly French King Louis XII. Mary subsequently married Henry's friend Charles Brandon, duke of Suffolk. Mary's granddaughter was Lady Jane Grey.

Henry's older sister Margaret had been sent off by their father, Henry VII, to marry the king of Scots. It was from Margaret Tudor's marriage to King James of Scotland that Mary Stuart, aka Mary, Queen of Scots, derived her claim to the English throne.