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Title: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 03:51:25 am
E. Annie Proulx papers and 'Eloise' illustrations donated to New York library


NEW YORK — A celebrated chronicler of rural life, E. Annie Proulx, has found a literary home in the big city.

Proulx, whose works include the Pulitzer Prize-winning novel "The Shipping News" and the short story "Brokeback Mountain" that was the basis for the film starring Heath Ledger, has donated her papers to the New York Public Library.

"What writer would not be honoured to be in the company of Walt Whitman, Mark Twain, Thoreau, Saul Bellow, Nabokov, Jack Kerouac, Virginia Woolf, Marianne Moore, Paul Auster and W. H. Auden?" Proulx said in a statement released Monday by the library. "To me there is an odd sense of balance that material dealing with some of the most rural landscapes in North America will reside in our major city."

Proulx is giving tens of thousands of pages to the library, including diaries, journals, manuscripts and notebooks. The collection includes early versions of "Brokeback Mountain," with such working titles as "Bulldust Mountain" and "Swill-Swallow Mountain," and drafts of the film's screenplay written by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5inpB9WvcwaAiaXVLm3YjGCDTetFg (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5inpB9WvcwaAiaXVLm3YjGCDTetFg)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Monika on November 03, 2009, 07:14:58 am
Oh oh I love this! I wanna read it all!

I wonder what those other titles originated from
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 01:04:03 pm
Sounds like a good excuse for a road trip.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Monika on November 03, 2009, 01:12:10 pm
Quote from: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 01:04:03 pm
Sounds like a good excuse for a road trip.
That is does. That it does.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 02:31:09 pm
Correspondence, Early Book Drafts, Notebooks, Sketches for The Shipping News, Brokeback Mountain and Other Works Now Available to Researchers in The Henry W. and Albert A. Berg Collection of English and American Literature

“I am, of course, very pleased that my notes, manuscript, sketches, letters and photographs have gone to the Berg Collection of The New York Public Library,” said Ms. Proulx. “What writer would not be honored to be in the company of Walt Whitman, Mark Twain, Thoreau, Saul Bellow, Nabokov, Jack Kerouac, Virginia Woolfe, Marianne Moore, Paul Auster and W. H. Auden? To me there is an odd sense of balance that material dealing with some of the most rural landscapes in North America will reside in our major city. Aside from the pages directly related to my writing, the letters, emails, financial reports to and from agents, publishers, editors and translators may be useful to future historians and scholars examining this period in American publishing and literature. We are currently undergoing major changes in the way we regard intellectual property and literary work; some of anxieties of that metamorphosis are reflected in my archive.”

The collection includes an early notebook (1987-89) of draft ideas for Proulx’s first novel, Postcards, which won a Pen-Faulkner Award for Fiction. Her most famous novel, the Pulitzer Prize-winning The Shipping News, is represented by 3,662 pages of typescript, many with holograph revision and correction, along with screenplay adaptation pages and correspondence. A 1993 typescript bears heavy holograph revisions in purple ink. Early drafts (1994) of the novel Accordion Crimes total about 1,000 pages.

A notebook containing original manuscript ideas for Proulx’s short story “Brokeback Mountain” is included in the collection, along with 21 typescripts under a variety of working titles including “Bulldust Mountain,” “Whiskey Mountain,” and “Swill-Swallow Mountain.” Three corrected typescript drafts of Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana’s screenplay adaption of the story are included, along with legal documentation and clippings.

http://www.nypl.org/press/releases/?article_id=353 (http://www.nypl.org/press/releases/?article_id=353)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 02:31:41 pm
The Berg Collection was established for the use of scholars and researchers. Conservation concerns, as well as other demands on staff time, require that we limit the use of our materials to this group.

We do, however, attempt to satisfy the general public's interest in our holdings through interpretive exhibitions and group presentations. If your group (minimum 8 persons, maximum 20) would like to schedule a presentation with the Curator, please contact him

http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/spe/brg/procedure.html
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Penthesilea on November 03, 2009, 03:40:05 pm
Quote from: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 02:31:41 pm
We do, however, attempt to satisfy the general public's interest in our holdings through interpretive exhibitions and group presentations. If your group (minimum 8 persons, maximum 20) would like to schedule a presentation with the Curator, please contact him

http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/spe/brg/procedure.html


Does this mean a single person can not get access to specific scripts (or copies of it), but a goup of eight to twenty people can? :o
Wouldn't be hard to get a goup of eight together in NYC, but maybe could be hard to limit the group to twenty.

Did I get this right? That on principal, all that stuff (from Mark Twain to Annie Proulx) is accessable to the public? But due to technicalities, single persons can't get access, only small groups?
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Penthesilea on November 03, 2009, 03:48:46 pm

Swill-Swallow Mountain? ::) I'm sure glad that she changed that.
Whiskey Mountain? Ditto. Not overly creative. I could have come up with it.
Bulldust Mountain? Not bad, IMO.

Interesting that the "Mountain" part has been a given from early on. I mean, even when the mountain plays a prominent role in the story, she still could have named the story something completely different.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 04:04:24 pm
Quote from: Penthesilea on November 03, 2009, 03:40:05 pm

Does this mean a single person can not get access to specific scripts (or copies of it), but a goup of eight to twenty people can? :o
Wouldn't be hard to get a goup of eight together in NYC, but maybe could be hard to limit the group to twenty.

Did I get this right? That on principal, all that stuff (from Mark Twain to Annie Proulx) is accessable to the public? But due to technicalities, single persons can't get access, only small groups?


I think you're right.


I'm thinking we need to organize a group presentation at the NYPL. Maybe more than one group too.

Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 03, 2009, 05:17:09 pm
Quote from: Penthesilea on November 03, 2009, 03:48:46 pm
Swill-Swallow Mountain? ::) I'm sure glad that she changed that.
Whiskey Mountain? Ditto. Not overly creative. I could have come up with it.
Bulldust Mountain? Not bad, IMO.

Interesting that the "Mountain" part has been a given from early on. I mean, even when the mountain plays a prominent role in the story, she still could have named the story something completely different.

LOL, I was thinking the same thing about these early title possibilities.  Swill-Swallow Mountain is pretty awfull (IMO), and I agree that Bulldust Moutain would be the best of the three alternatives.  I'm very, very glad she settled on the Brokeback title!  To me it's such a great word for the title.

Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 06:37:00 pm
Photo from the dinner, courtesy Patrick McMullan



(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj282/SanFranciscoJohn/slide_3487_49357_large.jpg)

NYPL President Paul Leclerc (left) and Chairman Catie Marron (right) with Library Lions honorees David Smith, Annie Proulx, Janice Moore-Smith, Hilary Knight, and Julia Chang

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/03/new-york-public-library-c_n_344091.html
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: sel on November 04, 2009, 03:37:04 am
Quote from: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 02:31:09 pm


A notebook containing original manuscript ideas for Proulx’s short story “Brokeback Mountain” is included in the collection, along with 21 typescripts under a variety of working titles including “Bulldust Mountain,” “Whiskey Mountain,” and “Swill-Swallow Mountain.” Three corrected typescript drafts of Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana’s screenplay adaption of the story are included, along with legal documentation and clippings.

http://www.nypl.org/press/releases/?article_id=353 (http://www.nypl.org/press/releases/?article_id=353)

Does it mean that instead of Brokies we would have been called  Bullies, Whiskies or Swillies?  :-\  :o
Very glad Annie settled for Brokeback!  :)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 09:41:55 am
Quote from: sel on November 04, 2009, 03:37:04 am
Does it mean that instead of Brokies we would have been called  Bullies, Whiskies or Swillies?  :-\  :o
Very glad Annie settled for Brokeback!  :)

Good one, sel!

Some of us Brokies are Whiskie-Swilling-Bullies!
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 04, 2009, 11:01:08 am
Quote from: sel on November 04, 2009, 03:37:04 am
Does it mean that instead of Brokies we would have been called  Bullies, Whiskies or Swillies?  :-\  :o
Very glad Annie settled for Brokeback!  :)

Quote from: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 09:41:55 am
Good one, sel!

Some of us Brokies are Whiskie-Swilling-Bullies!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, it makes one realize how important a title can be.


Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Monika on November 04, 2009, 11:16:12 am
So when will the next Whiskie-Swilling-Bullies gathering be then?

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: sel on November 04, 2009, 11:57:39 am
Quote from: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 09:41:55 am

Some of us Brokies are Whiskie-Swilling-Bullies!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 04, 2009, 12:19:30 pm
swallowers  :o
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: LauraGigs on November 04, 2009, 02:49:46 pm
Quote from: BayCityJohn on November 04, 2009, 12:19:30 pm
swallowers  :o

OMG...
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: LauraGigs on November 04, 2009, 02:54:35 pm
But seriously, think how the lines in the film would have been:

Aguirre:  "Up on Swill-Swallow..."

Jack:  "Swill-Swallow got us good, don't it?"

Jack:  "All we got now, is Swill-Swallow Mountain!"

Lureen:  "He said he wanted them scattered on Swill-Swallow Mountain..."

If Proulx hadn't changed the title, the filmmakers would have had to, for sure.  :P
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 04, 2009, 03:08:34 pm
Think 2006 was bad? Be on the lookout for new Brokeback jokes in the mainstream media as soon as they get ahold of this news.

Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: LauraGigs on November 04, 2009, 03:15:18 pm
Does mainstream media pay any attention to literary news (besides Harry Potter and Dan Brown)?  I wouldn't worry, John.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 03:44:08 pm
Quote from: LauraGigs on November 04, 2009, 02:54:35 pm
But seriously, think how the lines in the film would have been:

Aguirre:  "Up on Swill-Swallow..."

Jack:  "Swill-Swallow got us good, don't it?"

Jack:  "All we got now, is Swill-Swallow Mountain!"

Lureen:  "He said he wanted them scattered on Swill-Swallow Mountain..."

OMG, Laura, that's hilarious!

Old Man Twist:  "I know where Swill-Swallow mountain is..."
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 03:51:30 pm
Google results for "swill swallow" list this thread as #1!  And Dave Cullen's photo caption thread as #3.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 03:53:06 pm
(http://www.ibys.org/shed/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bulldust-lite2.png)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 04, 2009, 04:21:48 pm
Quote from: LauraGigs on November 04, 2009, 02:54:35 pm
But seriously, think how the lines in the film would have been:

Aguirre:  "Up on Swill-Swallow..."

Jack:  "Swill-Swallow got us good, don't it?"

Jack:  "All we got now, is Swill-Swallow Mountain!"

Lureen:  "He said he wanted them scattered on Swill-Swallow Mountain..."

If Proulx hadn't changed the title, the filmmakers would have had to, for sure.  :P


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 OK, now I'm truly laughing out loud in my office.  Thanks for that Laura!  Yeah, if nothing else... "Swill-Swallow" would probably turn into a ridiculous tongue twister after a while.  It really is pretty awful.




Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 06:16:16 pm
Just imagine if the brand of beans were changed also...

We might just be......SwallowMost! :-X
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Monika on November 04, 2009, 06:19:17 pm
Quote from: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 06:16:16 pm
Just imagine if the brand of beans were changed also...

We might just be......SwallowMost! :-X


 :o

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sason on November 05, 2009, 05:12:43 pm
Quote from: Buffymon on November 04, 2009, 11:16:12 am
So when will the next Whiskie-Swilling-Bullies gathering be then?

 :laugh:

 ::) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sason on November 05, 2009, 05:19:54 pm
Quote from: southendmd on November 04, 2009, 06:16:16 pm
Just imagine if the brand of beans were changed also...

We might just be......SwallowMost! :-X


Or even.......BetterSwallow!!   :o


The Basque: You had BetterSwallow. Them soup boxes are hard to pack.

 ;D

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 05, 2009, 05:37:12 pm
If she'd chosen "Bulldust Mountain" I guess we'd be calling ourselves Dusters.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 05, 2009, 07:00:47 pm
Quote from: Marge_Innavera on November 05, 2009, 05:37:12 pm
If she'd chosen "Bulldust Mountain" I guess we'd be calling ourselves Dusters.

Bullies, more 'n' likely.

Hmm. Swill-Swallow Mountain, "where bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring. ..."
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 09, 2009, 02:55:22 pm
No one knows anything, and other dilemmas of the e-book era

William Goldman, who wrote Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, is almost as well known for his coruscating portrait of the movie business, Adventures in the Screen Trade. This, in turn, is celebrated for its dictum about Hollywood executives – "No one knows anything" – a phrase that has a way of popping into mind whenever the discussion turns towards the future of books and newspapers.

I've noticed that whenever writers, publishers and journalists get together, sooner or later the conversation turns to The Way We Live Now, the ongoing IT revolution, usually with reference to manifestations of the latest innovation (lately, for instance, the Kindle and Twitter). Finally, the conversation usually culminates in a version of Where Will It End? or How Will It Affect My Livelihood?

It's at this point that "No one knows anything" comes to mind. Is that why this paradigm shift we're living through can seem so unnerving? Everyone is doing their best to make sense of a confusing picture, but still being blindsided by unanticipated change. And the situation is not helped by the mixed signals we are getting from the world of print itself, the everyday business of newspapers and books.

For example, the past two weeks has seen a lot of high-profile "old media" literary news: Annie Proulx, author of Brokeback Mountain, donating her papers; the likely sale of Siegfried Sassoon's manuscripts to the Cambridge University Library; the imminent publication of Vladimir Nabokov's posthumous novel, The Original of Laura, preserved on 138 index cards. All this stuff is pure gold to literary historians, and not one part of it exists in virtual form.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2009/nov/09/digital-books-publishing-ebook-mccrum
Title: "Bull Dust Mountain"
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on November 16, 2009, 04:25:43 pm
Check it out:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5inpB9WvcwaAiaXVLm3YjGCDTetFg

Annie Proulx is donating her papers to the New York Public Library, including early drafts of Brokeback Mountain when it was called "Bulldust Mountain"
Title: Re: "Bull Dust Mountain"
Post by: southendmd on November 16, 2009, 04:37:16 pm
We missed you, Truman, but this has been discussed!

Check out John's thread:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,38266.0/all.html
Title: Re: "Bull Dust Mountain"
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on November 17, 2009, 04:21:01 pm
Good I knew it would but I could not find it.
Title: Re: "Bull Dust Mountain"
Post by: Meryl on November 30, 2009, 11:53:32 am
Actually, I think Truman was right to place the topic in this forum.  Lynne, do you think you should move the other one over from the Open Forum?
Title: Re: "Bull Dust Mountain"
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 01, 2009, 03:36:39 pm
Love the NY Public Library! When I was going to NY for the first time in 2007, my tour guide asked me where I wanted to go in NYC, and the only place I named specifically was the library! That's how pitiful I am!!

(http://www.divshare.com/img/2661689-d12.JPG)

Now it will be so great to visit Annie's papers there!!

I'm glad we ended up as Brokies, not swillers, bullies, or dusters!!
Title: Re: "Bull Dust Mountain"
Post by: Sason on December 02, 2009, 03:17:44 pm
Quote from: Front-Ranger on December 01, 2009, 03:36:39 pm

I'm glad we ended up as Brokies, not swillers, bullies, or dusters!!

LOL!!

Me too!

 ;D
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 06, 2009, 07:07:57 pm
Quote from: BayCityJohn on November 03, 2009, 03:51:25 am
E. Annie Proulx papers and 'Eloise' illustrations donated to New York library

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5inpB9WvcwaAiaXVLm3YjGCDTetFg (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5inpB9WvcwaAiaXVLm3YjGCDTetFg)

Dang! This article is no longer available! Ennibody have a copy?
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Ellemeno on December 16, 2009, 01:28:03 am
Just catching up.  SwallowMost.  :)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sason on April 01, 2012, 10:13:32 am
Well, thanks Palinator (whoever that might be... ::)), for bumping this fun thread!
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sophia on April 01, 2012, 11:47:42 am
I have been eating these delicious chocklate candy for the past weeks as Easter thing. Today the brokeback connection came to me...chocklate sheep's. I been eating these delicious candy for weeks and had no idea why I like them so much.

Thanks so much this thread for making me know why.  :-*

And how cool is this thread. I think it is time for me to rethink my summer schedule. New York gathering at the famous library it couldn't be better.

 :-*

Thanks Annie
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sophia on April 01, 2012, 12:01:09 pm
Any one knows what swill swallow means?
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: kitty on April 01, 2012, 01:15:08 pm
Quote from: sophytofu on April 01, 2012, 12:01:09 pm
Any one knows what swill swallow means?

I have a pretty good idea! ;)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sophia on April 01, 2012, 01:51:01 pm
Quote from: kitty on April 01, 2012, 01:15:08 pm
I have a pretty good idea! ;)

oh, you are so naughty.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Lynne on April 01, 2012, 03:36:06 pm
Quote from: sophytofu on April 01, 2012, 12:01:09 pm
Any one knows what swill swallow means?

 :laugh:

There's the naughty implication...

Also sometimes alcoholic beverages are called swill, especially the dregs left in the bottom of the bottle that might contain some spittle if you've been messy about drinking from the bottle...

 ::)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on April 01, 2012, 07:58:03 pm
   Front Ranger:

        I'm glad we ended up as Brokies, not swillers, bullies, or dusters!!
________________________________________________________________________________________


     *You and me both.  That's just wrong.*  Specially the "bullies," one.  That is so anti-Brokie.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on April 01, 2012, 08:05:30 pm
Quote from: Palinator on November 04, 2009, 06:16:16 pm
Just imagine if the brand of beans were changed also...

We might just be......SwallowMost! :-X

  Now that is really funny.  It has so so many connotations.  From birds?? To dirty minded things.  Of course my mind goes the latter..jus sayin
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 01, 2012, 09:00:14 pm
Elly law!
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sason on April 01, 2013, 06:11:31 am
LOL This is a really funny thread to revisit!    :laugh:

Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: BayCityJohn on April 01, 2013, 10:06:26 am
Long lost footage from the 1922 silent film "Swill-Swallow Mountain". This is the only surviving clip from the film.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zK-Db98hj8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Front-Ranger on April 01, 2013, 10:58:47 am
Cute, John!
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sason on April 01, 2013, 11:10:07 am
LOL, John!  ;D
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 01, 2013, 01:55:05 pm
Oh to live on Swill Swallow Mountain, with the barkers and to colored balloons.
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on April 01, 2013, 04:22:05 pm
OMG!  It's Godgyllaa!
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on April 01, 2013, 05:25:29 pm
Quote from: TOoP/Bruce on April 01, 2013, 04:22:05 pm
OMG!  It's Godgyllaa!

Excellent!   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on April 01, 2016, 09:47:58 am
Welcome to SwallowMost!
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q186/southendmd/jake_flame_thrower.jpg)
Where we always celebrate the beautiful film, SwillSwallow Mountain! (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,38266.new.html#new)
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: Sason on April 01, 2016, 05:51:18 pm
Ennis: "I hope them beans was hot enough for ya!"
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: CellarDweller on April 02, 2016, 11:41:52 pm
Quote from: southendmd on April 01, 2016, 09:47:58 am
Welcome to SwallowMost!
SwallowMost, 'cause Jack don't spit!
Title: Re: Swill-Swallow Mountain
Post by: southendmd on August 27, 2019, 11:42:16 am
Bumping for all the Swillies out there.