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Title: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2007, 07:01:27 am
Hi everyone!

Thanks to the enthusiastic response to the drabble section.  Since there have been many slowdowns and delays in the fandom with some stories, Leslie(MaineWriter) and I discussed briefly the idea of opening up a general thread for discussion and recommendations. Our plan and our policy is open, which means you do NOT need to get permission to open a new thread, or confine yourself to discussion in one thread. 

What do you think?  I would like to open discussion here by talking about BBM Fan fiction trends in general.  I have noticed that AU!AU stories are getting more and more "AU."  I have read a few of them myself and enjoyed some - my preference is of course for heavy plot and characterization.  What do you all like, and what have you enjoyed of late?




Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on July 23, 2007, 01:42:57 pm
Hi, Louise,

Yes, it does seem that the stories are getting more and more "AU."  I'm guessing this is partly because things tend to go in trends, and partly because writers are searching for a premise that hasn't been done before.   I'm pretty much open to anything that's well-written and grabs my attention. 

I'm intrigued by the premise of J&E as a couple of "regular joe's" in a modern-day setting.  Most notably, Mel and I have been having a lot of fun discussing "Camden Yards by debutante9 (Kumari) recently.  In this fic, J&E have been best friends for 15 years and their families are very close, the wives are also best friends.  When I first read this premise, I wasn't sure how the author was going to hande this - but she's done so brilliantly.  I don't know that I would describe it as particularly heavy on plot, but very heavy on character development and loaded with beautiful, subtle symbolism, with a lot of depth.

"Going Home" by 1_of_one (Helen) is exquisite.  Takes place in the present in Scotland, updates on "real time" holidays and has a beautiful blend of ancient Celtic mysticism.  One chapter, "Lands of the North" takes place in 5000 BC where we meet Enniz and Jahhg.

Got to run for now - more good fics to recommend. 

Marie
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: souxi on July 23, 2007, 02:39:25 pm
Well as far as AU/AU goes these are my favourites:

http://midwest-girl.livejournal.com/3784.html  (shades of grey)

http://whiskiegurl.livejournal.com/642.html#cutid1  (another kind of love)

http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/1057163.html#cutid1 (the ties that bind)

And for AU:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2925085/1/Lead_Me_to_Your_Door

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2759902/1/Human_Interest

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/1/Two_Crows_Joy

And Somebody New will always be a big favourite of mine as well. I still read the zine from time to time and the epilogue still brings me out in goosebumps.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 23, 2007, 03:28:46 pm
I read and enjoyed "Shades of Grey" as well as "Lead Me To Your Door" and had a great time spoofing the premise about reading a book with yourself as a character - it was a great (and unique) premise.

One of the things that remains amazing to me as that the author, marakeshsparrrow, was a mere tyke of 18 or 19 when she started the tale, and yet her characterization of the middle-aged Jack and Ennis were in my opinion, superb.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: souxi on July 25, 2007, 05:53:59 am
And here is another story worthy of a mention. It describes in gritty detail what life may have been like for Jack and Ennis if they had decided to have a life together after they came down from Brokeback Mountain.

http://lovehurts4ever.livejournal.com/9501.html#cutid1

This is the link to chapter one.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: yb on July 25, 2007, 06:33:36 am
An interesting topic!  I would like to recommend the following AU/AU stories:

1)   Full Count by Kumari – this is a story about a New York Times (?) sports journalist and a baseball player.  There’re 3 chapters so far, but I’ve been waiting for updates for like forever. 

2)   Brokeback Redemption by victopet – the setting of the story is prison but don’t let this keep you away.  Vic is a very underrated writer perhaps due to the subject of the story.  Her writing is powerful, she has an eye for details and the emotional and psychological development of her characters are done exquisitely.

3)   In Plain Sight also by Victopet – this is a story about an Amish boy’s adventure into the English world to look for his brother and met the cop. 

4)   Informal Brotherhood by niims – this is a story where Ennis & Jack are held hostages and how they become acquainted.  There are a few chapters so far, so we’ll have to wait to see how the story unfolds but niims’ writing is very good.



 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 25, 2007, 01:59:28 pm
I have to admit that the subject of Brokeback Redemption kept me away, but it is a general bias I have about all prison stories.  I never saw "Cool Hand Luke" and it was only because it would have been rude to refuse that I ever set eyes on "The Green Mile."  Never read nor watched "Shawshank Redemption" because it just isn't my topic.  Has Victopet written anything that ISN'T about prisons that you might recommend for those who don't read prison stories?


PS WHOOPS... and you recommended it right below!  I might just take a peek.  If I don't start a riot by not updating "Chesterfield" that is.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: yb on July 26, 2007, 01:54:54 am
I had the same problem with the prison setting of BR at first.  I started reading the story from chapter 17 or about and read through the previous chapters roughly.  But gradually her writing and depiction of the characters just gripped my heart and I had to go back and read from chapter 1 with more care.  I had not read or watched ‘Shawshank Redemption” either, so I don’t have any pre-conception when I read BR.  The story is up to chapter 22 and waiting to be updated, but right now Vic’s focus is on the other story, In Plain Sight (IPS).  IPS is a loose crossover of Witness, I’ve not seen the movie either so I can’t compare.  But Vic has friend-locked her journal due to privacy issue, new readers will have to request to be friended.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2007, 03:10:00 am
hm... now that is frustrating...

What about finished stories?  It seems to be a trend in the fandom now - stories that have been under construction for many many months and unfinished.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: souxi on July 26, 2007, 07:25:01 am
hm... now that is frustrating...

What about finished stories?  It seems to be a trend in the fandom now - stories that have been under construction for many many months and unfinished.

It is indeed Louise. I have posted my annoyance at this kind of thing on these boards before about unfinished stories. Sure we all have lives etc I know and there may be many many reason why an author can no longer update, but surely it,s common curtesy to just do what marakesh has done and post an announcement so that readers know. This is agreat shame with Jess. I really enjoyed the first chapter of Just the Two of Us which was a follow on from LMTYD.  :'(

http://marakeshsparrow.livejournal.com/

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: yb on July 26, 2007, 09:58:45 am
hm... now that is frustrating...

What about finished stories?  It seems to be a trend in the fandom now - stories that have been under construction for many many months and unfinished.

Yeah, there are a few writers who have decided to lock their journal for friends only.  Apart from the privacy issue, I think it might also be due to the subject of the stories which are challenging to some readers, so it's better to lock them for those who are willing to read those stories with open minds.

About finished stories, I'll recommend Minchout's 'The Only Thing That's Real', but she's also locked her journal.

I would also recommend Wannabebrit's 'The Ties That Bind' which souxi has already recommended in above.  It's a story about S&M and had received some backlash at the beginning but I think it has died down. 



Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mvansand76 on July 26, 2007, 10:17:14 am
  It's a story about S&M and had received some backlash at the beginning but I think it has died down. 





Mmmm.... Brokeback slash receiving some backlash... now there's a tongue breaker.   ;)

I would recommend my own story, but I am a modest type of girl... LOL!

Lately I have been focusing on writing, so I am not reading much, but I absolutely adore the following stories:

Camden Yards (even if it takes forever to update... I'm hooked and dying for a new chapter
In Plain Sight (in fact, I am gonna make a thread for that one)
Best Friends Forever (miss them...)
You and me & a dog named flea
Dead Petals

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on July 26, 2007, 01:07:57 pm
I'm happy to recommend your story, Mel! 

Right Where You Are  http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com/1313.html 
24 chapters so far and I believe we are heading into the home stretch (I'm guessing a couple more chapters?) - so those of you who are worried about starting WIP's that may not end - no worries here! 

Also:

Quicksilver by fernly (jtsbar at livejournal).  From the author's notes:  Quicksilver is about Jack’s life away from Ennis after their summer on Brokeback – there’re a lot of months and years we never see that I got to wondering about.     A time period and pov not often written about. Exquisite writing. 


Marie

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Scott6373 on July 26, 2007, 01:50:25 pm
I have read three total.  The first one in the month following the film's release, the other two somewhat later.  I don't find AU fanfics very appealing, and have only read and finished two.   One, I finished out of a sense of time invested, and one I completed because I liked it.

Ennis - Probably not the greatest, but definately filled a cavity left in my heart, left by the film experience.

Somebody New - Time Invested, didn't really care for it, but after 1 million pages of lousy dialect I thought I should finish it.

A Love Born From Steel - I liked it.  Genuine charectarization, honest writing, again despite the AU aspect of it, but if I had never heard of BBM in any form I would have enjoyed this.

Strangely enough.  The only "full length" story I wrote was, in the end, an AU.  Go figure...we all sell out for an audience...LOL...eventually.   ;)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: moremojo on July 26, 2007, 01:58:52 pm
Ennis - Probably not the greatest, but definately filled a cavity left in my heart, left by the film experience.
This has been my favorite so far (admittedly I haven't read extensively in fanfic, and had never even sampled this kind of writing until BBM the movie threw me for such a loop).

I've read some other quite beautiful stories as well, remembering some writings by our Jeff Wrangler, Kea, and outrider with fondness, as well as a couple of others whose links I retrieved via the old IMDb board but whose titles/authors I cannot at the moment recall. I even made a few faltering attempts at fanfic myself, but couldn't sustain the initiative to continue or develop them (I don't think I'm particularly gifted at writing fiction, and am significantly ignorant of the rural life that a good BBM story would require).
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: one_of_one on July 26, 2007, 02:17:38 pm
Hi peeps.

Something that really interests me is the way Jack and Ennis are portrayed in various fanfics.  I tend to read AU!AUs now because the characters therein are so far removed from the originals that there hardly seems to be a connection and thus can be read as more or less original stories. 

I have a problem with fics that are touted as canon because  I don't believe anyone can write true canon and I severely doubt that even EA Proulx could do so now, ten years after the event.  I don't think there is a single fanfic out there where I can truly believe that the original Jack and Ennis would act the way the authors portray them, whether it's canon, AU, or AU!AU.

My view has changed over the past eighteen months, time was when I *could* see connections and likelihoods.  Now I don't.  And all the time I read comments such as "you really keep them in character" or whatnot...well, I no longer get it.

I wonder if anyone feels the same...or disagrees...or even has just been wondering about this aspect of fanfiction?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2007, 02:19:34 pm
I read and liked "Ennis: A Sequel", but it got some bad press about burning the shirts.  I thought that the attempt to portray Ennis falling into a new relationship in a new job late in life was a realistic way for his life to move on and I enjoyed it.

I've read and enjoyed everything you wrote down there, Scott - what's that say?

Oh, and I read and enjoyed "Big Boots of Pain" up until the Scotland plot.  The ice fishing scene and Ennis's illness were heartbreaking and excellently done.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: moremojo on July 26, 2007, 02:23:49 pm
I wonder if anyone feels the same...or disagrees...or even has just been wondering about this aspect of fanfiction?
I think the Ennis of Ennis behaves in a way thoroughly consistent with the Ennis we saw in the movie. That alone was enough to engender my admiration, but the author also showed Ennis learning from his time with Jack, and incorporating those lessons in his ongoing life and new relationships. And again, he showed the character behaving thus in a way that seemed to be a natural outgrowth of the character that Annie, Ang, and company presented.

I've said before that if a movie sequel were to ever be done for BBM (heresy, I know, and I would prefer it not to happen), I think Ennis would be a fine story to adapt for such purposes.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2007, 02:25:08 pm


My view has changed over the past eighteen months, time was when I *could* see connections and likelihoods.  Now I don't.  And all the time I read comments such as "you really keep them in character" or whatnot...well, I no longer get it.

I wonder if anyone feels the same...or disagrees...or even has just been wondering about this aspect of fanfiction?

oh, I definitely agree with you there.  Every author has their own vision, and one thing that always annoyed me more than a little was the vastly different reconstructions of the dialect.  There was a little "guide to Brokeback Dialect" that someone posted a while back on DC forum, and I felt very proud of myself for having followed a good many of those in my own fan fic.  However, since my story was heavily dialogue (unlike Annie Proulx's) I made some enhancements to it and that seemed to keep me thinking about the place and time.  Also, I had plenty of exposure to the rural dialect of the area I lived in (rural eastern Arizona) and I borrowed some of that.  But back to characterization - one thing that was borrowed directly from Heath Ledger was the taciturn mumbling and grunting of Ennis that did not exist in the original story, so ... which canon is which?  There is more than one source from which to draw, and a lot of people have used as signature images or quotations items put in by the screenplay that were not in the original.  So even if one identifies "canon" as a single source, there is still the issue you point out Helen.  Most definitely.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: one_of_one on July 26, 2007, 02:43:19 pm
Vic is a very underrated writer

Hope you don't mind me quoting you, but I've read it a couple of times recently and am wondering just what is meant by this.   ??? ???

For me, it means an author or a story that is off the radar.  For instance, the story "Ennis" that was just quoted - I haven't even heard of it.  And if it's good but unknown then that's what I would call underrated. 

Vic has always had a good readership and a good number of responses to her story.  Underrated isn't a word I would use to describe her and her stories.

I guess I am just confused, and apologies for picking you out to ask you about this!  :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Scott6373 on July 26, 2007, 02:48:29 pm
When you get right down to brass tacks, the film "Brokeback Mountain" was the first and best canon.  It just happened to be on film.  Fanfic is all a matter of taste, and the more emotional the source material, the more opinionated folk get about their fanfic preferences...I think.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: one_of_one on July 26, 2007, 02:55:34 pm
Every author has their own vision,

I agree, and I think that's fine.  My problem has always been when certain authors profess to write canon and believe that their work *is* as close to canon as can be and other authors are not when each and every one of us is writing from our own life experiences and bringing them into whatever we put down on the page.


And also what you say about which canon is which.  I tried early on to reconcile the two but realised that it was an impossible task because I believe that there are fundamental differences between them.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2007, 03:01:02 pm
Hm, well out of consideration for yb being a foreign speaker of English, I might offer to translate?

There are some stories were are discussed at immense length, and, without citing a reason in favor or not, when I started writing "Taking Chances" that got a great deal of discussion - and in fact, way too MUCH attention was paid to parts of the story which in hindsight probably were unimportant.  I believe that stories that are written, that people read, but may not have generated a great deal of discussion when they update - at least in a forum environment or in LJ entries, might be considered underrated - at least as compared to others of its kind.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2007, 03:03:24 pm
I agree, and I think that's fine.  My problem has always been when certain authors profess to write canon and believe that their work *is* as close to canon as can be and other authors are not when each and every one of us is writing from our own life experiences and bringing them into whatever we put down on the page.


And also what you say about which canon is which.  I tried early on to reconcile the two but realised that it was an impossible task because I believe that there are fundamental differences between them.

The belief that we each have our own vision is actually built into the rules of this forum area.  We actively discourage members from touting one story as authentic or authorative over another - because it's ALL fanfic, and no one has the blessed holy vision of Jack and Ennis.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mvansand76 on July 26, 2007, 03:14:45 pm
I agree, and I think that's fine.  My problem has always been when certain authors profess to write canon and believe that their work *is* as close to canon as can be and other authors are not when each and every one of us is writing from our own life experiences and bringing them into whatever we put down on the page.



Helen,

I am not entirely sure what you mean, because how do you know that the writer believes that his/her work is as close to canon as can be?

Sticking to character in my opinion is not the most important thing when you write a story in which events take a different turn (is that canon, I never did get familiar with the terms), because people can change and things can happen to them that changes the way they look at life. What is more important is if the story you write is compelling and makes people think about how things could've gone differently, sometimes by changing just a single aspect of the story.

I think AU/AU's are so popular right now, not necessarily because they stray so far away from the original characters J&E (because they often do not, Ennis is still often the reticent guy and Jack the open, talkative one), but because we can follow them through the whole falling in love ritual again in a whole different setting, that is what makes it so interesting to read.

Thinking about it now, I have an idea where fanfic is heading: I think there will be more and more extreme AU/AU's (situations totally away from the BBM setting) and then, after a while, writers might start to replace the names Jack and Ennis and write an original story because it has hardly anything to do with BBM anymore.

Mel

 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: moremojo on July 26, 2007, 03:16:12 pm
The belief that we each have our own vision is actually built into the rules of this forum area.  We actively discourage writers from touting one story as authentic or authorative over another - because it's ALL fanfic, and no one has the blessed holy vision of Jack and Ennis.
Quite so, and I would never wish to unintentionally disparage anyone's efforts in this area. Fanfic was an outgrowth, to a large extent anyway, of people's attempts to make sense of the powerful emotions the original story/film engendered in them, and the reading of fanfic often comes out of the same impulse (this was at least true for me). But I honor everyone's desire and effort to create and contribute in their own unique way to this phenomenon we call Brokeback fever.

The only BBM-related story I ever found offensive was one effort (I don't think I would even call it a true fanfic) that was posted by one new user and quickly deleted, as the new member quickly disappeared from the forum as well. I suspect that the user was a troll who didn't escape the moderators' radar for long. Their story, which showed Jack coming to accept and appreciate his situation with Lureen through an unsavory dream of that "sweet life" with Ennis, exhibited a thorough knowledge of the original story and film, but presented the characters in a way that suggested a lack of sympathy for them.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: one_of_one on July 26, 2007, 03:18:00 pm

Helen,

I am not entirely sure what you mean, because how do you know that the writer believes that his/her work is as close to canon as can be?

Because they've said so.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: one_of_one on July 26, 2007, 03:27:49 pm

Helen,

I am not entirely sure what you mean, because how do you know that the writer believes that his/her work is as close to canon as can be?

Sticking to character in my opinion is not the most important thing when you write a story in which events take a different turn (is that canon, I never did get familiar with the terms), because people can change and things can happen to them that changes the way they look at life. What is more important is if the story you write is compelling and makes people think about how things could've gone differently, sometimes by changing just a single aspect of the story.

I think AU/AU's are so popular right now, not necessarily because they stray so far away from the original characters J&E (because they often do not, Ennis is still often the reticent guy and Jack the open, talkative one), but because we can follow them through the whole falling in love ritual again in a whole different setting, that is what makes it so interesting to read.

Thinking about it now, I have an idea where fanfic is heading: I think there will be more and more extreme AU/AU's (situations totally away from the BBM setting) and then, after a while, writers might start to replace the names Jack and Ennis and write an original story because they have hardly anything to do with BBM anymore.

Mel

 

I think what you're talking about when you mention events taking a different turn is AU.  Canon is when a story is written within the events of the original short story or film.  There are also canon aspects to AUs and AU!AUs.  I agree with what you say about different events changing characterisations - I have always thought that and argued strongly in the early days of fanfic that when you did have such an event taking place that that was the moment when the characters stopped being "in canon" and started to take on different aspects.

I think you're right about the direction AU!AUs are taking.  A lot of writers around now seem to have a somewhat tenuous connection to BBM.  About what you say regarding Ennis=reticent, Jack=talkative.  I know there's more to it than that, but also there is more to Jack and Ennis than just one character trait.

For me I've usually taken one or two characteristics and expanded on them whilst damping down others but I think once you do that you are not writing about Jack and Ennis any more, you are writing about two men who you've named J and E because that is the fandom in which the stories are being written.

 :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: one_of_one on July 26, 2007, 03:39:36 pm
The belief that we each have our own vision is actually built into the rules of this forum area.  We actively discourage writers from touting one story as authentic or authorative over another - because it's ALL fanfic, and no one has the blessed holy vision of Jack and Ennis.


Well said.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Scott6373 on July 26, 2007, 03:43:59 pm
The one thing I could never quite wrap my brain around were those folks who blatantly said:  "I don't read dead Jack stories".  They were rather a rabid bunch abuot the subject.  Whenever I heard that, my skin crawled,  he was dead...so, did you see the movie?  Read the book?  Guess AP had no justification in killing the poor guy off, let's annihalate her, and make her life miserable.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mvansand76 on July 26, 2007, 04:18:51 pm
The one thing I could never quite wrap my brain around were those folks who blatantly said:  "I don't read dead Jack stories".  They were rather a rabid bunch abuot the subject.  Whenever I heard that, my skin crawled,  he was dead...so, did you see the movie?  Read the book?  Guess AP had no justification in killing the poor guy off, let's annihalate her, and make her life miserable.

I don't think that's what people mean when they say "I don't read dead Jack stories". The people who say this, their overall reason for reading fanfic is to read about a different ending in which Jack and Ennis live happily ever after, or about the time in which they were happy, like canon stories that take place during their summer on the mountain. They simply cannot stand to read about Jack dying or about Ennis moving on, because it hurts too much. I think there is nothing wrong with taking such a stance, as long as you respect the writers who write dead!Jack or MO!Ennis.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: moremojo on July 26, 2007, 04:27:17 pm
I kind of fell into the opposite camp in preferring stories that followed Proulx's original conception of Jack indeed dying in the course of Ennis's existence. When I stated this preference in words, some folks seemed to take umbrage at my apparent dissing of AU stories--which was not my intention.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 26, 2007, 04:40:45 pm
And yes, I think the pendulum is swinging the other way now.  Now that some ground has been broken - now that tears have been shed and boundaries have been crossed, more readers are getting ready to read something other than interpolated moments between the Brokeback Summer and the reunion, because there are only so many beautiful moments that can be depicted without getting to the hard reality of the plot, and because there is a point at which the big picture of the characters and their ultimate fates, needs to be faced and seen to be relevant.

I had a mail from an author who watched in sad silence for all of the flak I got for writing my "Moving On" story, and even though there had been Forster's "Ennis" for many months prior to my writing a word in this fandom, and even though there were other stories about Ennis after the end of the original book, the lashback against Ennis finding a new relationship really hit its stride when I wrote my story.  I felt myself completely incapable of writing a story that changed the ending of BBM, so if I wanted to write something, I had to write it starting at the end of BBM, and not change any of the facts, at least of the short story, if I could.  I thought that was adequately "respectful" in that the tale had not been changed at all.    At any rate, this author of strictly "canon and au" stories told me that there was a time when the slightest adventuresome idea about life after Jack incited intense negative emotions, and in a year, that feeling in the fan fic arena has greatly changed, and that my story helped effect that change.

I was immensely flattered, but I also don't think I was alone in this, because I'm not the only person who ventured there with a story, I was just the most visible and prolific.  Moving on or "Dead Jack" stories remain problematic, and a lot of people still avoid them, preferring "happy ending"  or "happy interlude" tales still, but there is a growing taste for new things... and the newest thing of all is writing original post-Brokeback tales.

And I agree with you S del S - the future is in original gay and erotic stories - and I hope those of you who have found a voice in fanfiction go all the way and write something marketable and publish it, or edit your existing works, and publish them,  because this, I believe, fulfills one of the deeper and more universal messages of BBM - carpe diem.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: yb on July 26, 2007, 06:31:04 pm
Hope you don't mind me quoting you, but I've read it a couple of times recently and am wondering just what is meant by this.   ??? ???

For me, it means an author or a story that is off the radar.  For instance, the story "Ennis" that was just quoted - I haven't even heard of it.  And if it's good but unknown then that's what I would call underrated. 

Vic has always had a good readership and a good number of responses to her story.  Underrated isn't a word I would use to describe her and her stories.

I guess I am just confused, and apologies for picking you out to ask you about this!  :)

No, Helen, I don't mind at all.  Louise explained quite clearly what underrated is. 

While I agree with your observation about the readership of Vic's stories, I do have a slightly different opinion.  As I said, I started BR from about chapter 17 and lurked at the BBM forums at the same time but found that her story was practically ignored in all of them.  I would say the response she got on her lj was fair, not great when compared against some other more famous writers.  It's only until she decided to friend-lock her journal than a lot of silent readers came out and expressed how they have been reading and loving her story and requested to be friended; to be honest, I was rather shocked by this overwhelming response and she admitted to have the same feeling herself.  So, my interpretation of underrated is the feeling that she should have received more recognition about her writing than she was getting that made me think she's underrated. 

BTW, Helen, how is Lotus Blossom going?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on July 26, 2007, 07:20:57 pm

A Love Born From Steel - I liked it.  Genuine charectarization, honest writing, again despite the AU aspect of it, but if I had never heard of BBM in any form I would have enjoyed this.

A Love Born From Steel and its sequel Through the Veil of Time are classics and definitely my "comfort" fics that I still turn to.  In fact, I'll probably read a chapter or two tonight. 


The belief that we each have our own vision is actually built into the rules of this forum area.  We actively discourage members from touting one story as authentic or authorative over another - because it's ALL fanfic, and no one has the blessed holy vision of Jack and Ennis.

Amen, Louise! 


I agree about the direction of fics and AU/AU's in particular - I'm at a point where I don't need to see the J&E names all the time. And speaking of that:

BTW, Helen, how is Lotus Blossom going?

I was wondering the same thing myself (although I know "Going Home" is your priority right now).  I believe your "J" character - Jairaj - is the first non-caucasian I've seen.  I love that idea. 

Marie
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Marge_Innavera on July 28, 2007, 02:33:29 pm
oh, I definitely agree with you there.  Every author has their own vision, and one thing that always annoyed me more than a little was the vastly different reconstructions of the dialect.  There was a little "guide to Brokeback Dialect" that someone posted a while back on DC forum, and I felt very proud of myself for having followed a good many of those in my own fan fic.  . . .one thing that was borrowed directly from Heath Ledger was the taciturn mumbling and grunting of Ennis that did not exist in the original story, so ... which canon is which?  There is more than one source from which to draw, and a lot of people have used as signature images or quotations items put in by the screenplay that were not in the original.  So even if one identifies "canon" as a single source, there is still the issue you point out Helen.  Most definitely.

First, as far as I'm concerned, "canon" can apply to either the original story or the film, and in fanfiction the two can be mixed -- though I've seen very, very few pieces where Ennis and/or Jack look like they're described in the original.

As for dialect, IMO people can go quite a few routes with that. Personally, I've always found fiction written in dialect very entertaining to listen to but absolutely hate reading it. (Stephen King's Dolores Claiborne, written in Maine dialect, is a good example -- loved the audiotape, couldn't get past page 5 of the original book.) And in the case of what I'm working on, for a good portion of the book Ennis is living in a household of 3 people with 3 distinct dialects: a Southern accent, a Minnesota accent and Ennis' Wyoming twang. Just the thought of rendering all that would send me running screaming from the computer keyboard  ::)  not to mention the reactions of readers.

So the compromise I'm working with is rendering dialogue in what I'm billing as general American colloquial speech: e.g., "runnin' " for "running," "hafta" for "have to", etc. Not ideal, but at least Ennis isn't talking in academic prose.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Marge_Innavera on July 28, 2007, 02:45:37 pm
The one thing I could never quite wrap my brain around were those folks who blatantly said:  "I don't read dead Jack stories".  They were rather a rabid bunch about the subject.  Whenever I heard that, my skin crawled,  he was dead...so, did you see the movie?  Read the book?  Guess AP had no justification in killing the poor guy off, let's annihalate her, and make her life miserable.

I find that odd, too. It makes me wonder why spend time on this particular work of art to begin with.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 28, 2007, 03:14:14 pm
 
The dialect issue is one that hardly gets discussed, and yet, I spent a good deal of time thinking about it, and decided I needed to have three levels of narrative:  one, the limited third person, which would use almost entirely standard English, and for my first two books kept the limited narration as the original BBM did, from Ennis's character's perspective. Then there was the dialogue which I wrote in dialect - and different characters had different levels of dialect - I had some characters, like judges and the D.A. and his Eastern protege who had their own cliches and did not have any noticeable dialect at all -- and the locals.  And the third was the character's talking to himself, which was not as pronounced dialect as the actual dialogue but did have some of its features. 

But other folks have had success with other methods.  I personally have a low tolerance for reading narrative written in dialect because I get that confused with the character's voice. I never read "Dolores Claiborne" though I greatly admired the film, and I had an attachment to it, since my ancestors are from Maine and some of the older folks still had some elements of that down Maine accent.  Reading narrative in dialect, as you say Marge - does make me batty.  And that ruled out a number of fics in this fandom for me - I couldn't make it through the dialect in the narrative.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: one_of_one on July 29, 2007, 03:46:10 pm
Dialect is an interesting and contentious subject I think.  I heard a lot of people saying they had problems with Somebody New because the narrative was a very close third person which was indistinguishable from Ennis's speech.  I had no problems with that personally, but then again (straying a little from the point) I found what HL was saying in the film to be completely understandable when I had been told it was difficult to hear.

Anyway.

I prefer to write dialect in the same way as AP did - to say doin and not doin' because all those ' get somewhat distracting after a while.  The short story is really my only experience of Wyoming dialect and if I am writing something set in canon/AU then it gets that kind of treatment, solely because I don't know any different.

Generally speaking I do try and not put the whole thing in dialect because it's usually such a chore to read it.  In my little bible "Self-Editing for Fiction Writers" they advise against it because it of that.  What is very interesting is that you can write without using dialect if you use other aspects of speech to show where a person is from...such as word order and the use of certain words.

What I find easy is separating dialogue from narrative, but I do find sometimes the line between narrative and character thought to be a fine line and sometimes I'm not too sure where exactly to have dialect and where to have standard prose.  But I think that's more a problem of me not writing precisely enough rather than anything else.

In general I do dislike dialect and will be more inclined to give up on a book where I am actively having to work my way through the narrative rather than letting it flow from the page.

Marcia - talking of MO!Ennis stories...I'd be glad of the next part of yours, I'm missing it quite keenly at the moment. :) 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on July 31, 2007, 09:33:24 am
I will second that... which reminds me, if anyone has not looked into it, Marge_Innavera's "Gift of Exile", some absolutely beautiful scenes of Ennis returning to Brokeback that had me turning green.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: souxi on August 15, 2007, 08:52:55 am
Heres  a link to another story I,ve read.

LINK (http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/7437.html)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: MaineWriter on August 15, 2007, 08:57:33 am
Heres  a link to another story I,ve read.

LINK (http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/7437.html)

The title of the story is "Nothing But Time."

L
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: souxi on August 23, 2007, 03:37:54 pm
Heres another story I,ve read. It,s in 3 parts and it,s about the time Jack and Ennis had some time in Don Roes, cabin. It,s called Cabin Fever.

http://pairofdeuces.livejournal.com/1806.html      Chapter One

http://pairofdeuces.livejournal.com/4195.html      Chapter Two


http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/599529.html?view=7827945#t7827945    Chapter Three.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: souxi on August 26, 2007, 05:52:27 am
Here is another story I found today. It,s called; "Life aint easy"

http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/414729.html
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: MadLori on August 29, 2007, 07:24:06 pm
Hi everybody, I just thought I'd pop in and lend my own view of the AU!AU trend in BBM fanfic.

When I first heard about AU!AU I was dubious.  What's the canon connection?  Why call them Jack and Ennis at all?  I think this is a fairly common reaction to the whole idea.  But then I started reading some of it...I think "Lead Me To Your Door" was the first, and it's a good AU!AU to start with seeing as Jack and Ennis are very closely connected to the canon characters...and I gradually changed my mind.

I think what makes AU!AU interesting and what makes a good AU!AU is the way in which the writer incorporates the canon characterizations, settings, themes and even key pieces of dialogue or significant scenes into their new setting.  And the more new settings I read, the more it altered my thinking.  I started viewing Jack and Ennis not only as characters from the canon, but as archetypes.  These two men started to feel like people who'd existed in all times, all places, and had had this connection with each other no matter where or when they met.  Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, sometimes they lived happily ever after, sometimes they didn't.  But they are always there, and that lent new resonance to each new AU!AU I read, each new version of Jack and Ennis.

In addition, I've come to think that AU!AUs are essential to the survival of the fandom and the fic-writing community.  Because we have so little canon...a thirty-page story and a two-hour movie...the AU!AUs are, in a way, creating new canon for us.  Each new incarnation of our boys is a new story we can invest in and sustain our interest in the characters and the storyline.  So much has been done within the canon and in AU stories, but there is infinite freedom to explore in an AU!AU.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 29, 2007, 07:32:30 pm



        Here here, I agree with what you have said one hundred percent...If there is no AU.AU there will eventually be no further fanfic.  We love the characters, so deeply until we are accepting to them in whatever incarnation they come..
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ImJackshesEnnis on September 05, 2007, 07:30:51 am
Not that this is a shameless plug for my girl's writing, but is there a thread dedicated to Carol's stories here?  (Is there enough interest for one?)  She's done OWL and Return to Home and is starting up Fire & Ice (four chapters in) and I was just curious as to the level of discussion for her here.

Anyone?

H.

eta:  I've started a new topic discussing Carol's writings
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on September 05, 2007, 07:35:08 am
Hi Heidi,

Feel free to start a story thread on any stories that you wish, you dont have to wait for an invite!


Louise
Fan Fic Moderator
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ImJackshesEnnis on September 05, 2007, 07:44:03 am
Thanks Louise!  I did!   ;)

Here it is:


http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,13097.0.html
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: NavyVet on October 20, 2007, 10:06:53 pm
Howdy, y'all!
I don't know where to pose this question, so I thought I'd start here.  I've been trying to catch up on some WIP's that I had lost track of for some time, and am having trouble finding some that I lost due to broken links, etc.

Does anyone know where I can find access to the story 'That Little Bit of Hope' by Minchout?  I don't know if it was finished or how many chapters there were, but I'd really love to find out how the story turned out.

Thanx for any help.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on October 20, 2007, 10:13:42 pm
I dont know how much help this is, but I do know that Minch closed her LJ.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: MadLori on November 04, 2007, 10:43:09 pm
Yes, unfortunately Minch deleted her journal and all her stories; they're no longer available.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ENEN on February 03, 2008, 12:17:56 pm
I’ve noticed that a lot of stories I read in the fanfiction world of BBM are what I call Jackcentric.  That is all the positive traits of Jack are played up or focused on while it is just the opposite for Ennis. Usually Jack is seen as suffering the most between the two and is almost written like a Christ like figure. In the AU world when he and Ennis live together it is always Jack who is able to coach Ennis to share a life. I wonder, if the fiction is AU and not canon, why no one writes of Ennis finding his own way to Jack. Also in these scenarios of living together Jack is always the one in charge, the one more accepting of his sexuality.  I really do not think Jack Twist would have been the poster child for Gay Pride. Although he was willing to make a life with Ennis I don’t see where he wanted him and Ennis to be out and proud. In a lot of these jackcentric fictions you see Jack telling people about his relationship with Ennis. But in the story and the film Jack Twist lived a closeted life just like Ennis.  Even after Ennis’s wife divorced him Jack never divorced his wife to move closer to Ennis. And when he chose to find some comfort closer to home it was with another closeted man. And his dream of living with Ennis was to move to the isolated little ranch in Lightning Flat where they could live a quiet and unassuming life.
  Also, Jack is written as the most capable financially in these fictions.  But the four years they were apart it was Ennis who married and was supporting a family. Jack could not support himself until he married a rich woman. On another forum someone pointed out that Jack was the type of personality that always had to be coupled to accomplish things. I think this is true and that Jack was very dependant on others.  Ennis on the other hand was very capable and also very stubborn. One who always called the shots on the important issues. And we know that Jack Twist let Ennis calls the shots for 20 years.
I’m reminded of the scene in the film where Ennis drops the girls off at Alma’s job because he has to get to work. And Alma tries to argue with him and Ennis gives her that look and she backs down. I have never seen that Ennis in AU fanfic. And I have no doubt that Jack would back down as Alma did.  We see a lot of “strong Jack” stories but is that really who he was? Would a strong Jack be so drawn to a man as strong willed as Ennis? 
I don’t claim to have the definitive view on Jack Twist. I’m just curious as to why so many see Jack as the strong, capable, self-sacrificing type. Do others feel that most stories are Jackcentric?  Or am I seeing something that is not there?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on February 03, 2008, 12:29:13 pm
I don't know how much credence one can put in the 'fan' characterizations of Jack, but there has certainly been a tendency to frame Jack as the 'injured party' because he urged Ennis to come with him and have a life together and Ennis didn't.

I think that all of the rest of the characterization of Jack as more saintly stems from that single fact - that Ennis refused him a more open relationship.  Whether or not Jack was willing to be more open about it, we would never know since he was not given the choice.  Did his pursuing a traditional life stem from that first refusal, or would he have done so anyway?  We may never know, but it is clear what fan writers want to think, since so many of them rewrote the ending to put them together at Jack's instigation.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: RouxB on February 04, 2008, 10:53:22 pm
ENEN I am pretty much 100% with you on your assessment. I read fan fic-I love fan fic- but sometimes the angel jackdevil ennis just wears we down. In some cases Ennis is portrayed as such a horrible person the whole story becomes ridiculous for me because why the hell would anyone be attracted to him?! And, or course, the auther never does quite an adequate job of developing the attraction.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: MsMercury on March 17, 2008, 08:29:20 pm
You know, you're right with that assessment. I never thought about it before but it is played out that way. I've written a couple of fanfics but not BBM; but if I ever do, I'll have to remember that.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: NavyVet on October 07, 2008, 03:22:41 pm
It's been like forever, but I am back into the BbM fandom and now actively looking for recs of completed fic.

Long story - short version:
I had drifted away from BbM fanfic for a while (quite a while) and moved on to other less volatile fandoms for my fic fix.  I've also been struggling to finish my own novel and deal with RL issues.
Then recently, I was going through all "My Favorites" lists and began cleaning out and updating links.  Turned out, I had a lot of dead links for BbM stuff.  A number of WIP's were abandoned/never finished and others were no longer accessible.  I had really lost track of all the stories I had been following, which was frustrating, but that's the way it goes.  Hated to give up on some of them. 
Looks like fics are still being posted in this universe, so I began searching forums, threads, communities, etc.  I am rebuilding my 'to be read' lists.
So, I might be asking around about this author or that story, and also looking for new recs of stories I haven't tried.
Hopefully, I will catch up and reconnect with writers and fellow fans.  Thought I'd start here, since this is a general tread.

Hugs,
NV
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on October 09, 2008, 10:34:23 pm
I should have checked this out sooner. There are some great recommendations here. Several of the stories commented on such as 'Dreaming' and 'Ennis', are among my favorites. It's taken me a long time to come around to the pleasures of fan-fiction so I'm quite behind and am playing catch-up. I'm still a little cold to AU/AU, I feel that they're straying to far from the premise of the original story/film. But that's just me. As someone commented earlier, Jack and Ennis can be regarded as archetypes, but perhaps those archetypes preceded the original story ie 'the dreamer' and 'the realist'. I'd like to read about new characters in a western setting too. Gay characters that is!  ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 25, 2008, 11:31:33 am

Heya,
I'd been looking for a new story recently and discovered one that I really like based on a recommendation, so I thought I'd pass it along.

It's called The Outland by wildcolumbine.  Here's a link to chapter 1 http://wildcolumbine.livejournal.com/5364.html (http://wildcolumbine.livejournal.com/5364.html)

I've only read 4 chapters so far, but I think it's really very strong as far as I've read.  The writing is good and the premise is interesting.  It's one of those stories that begins with the basic idea that Jack survives the accident (and/or attack) in Texas and Ennis has a realization/ decides to help Jack and commit to him as a result.


It's complete in 16 chapters.




Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on November 25, 2008, 03:37:18 pm
Heya,
I'd been looking for a new story recently and discovered one that I really like based on a recommendation, so I thought I'd pass it along.

It's called The Outland by wildcolumbine.  Here's a link to chapter 1 http://wildcolumbine.livejournal.com/5364.html (http://wildcolumbine.livejournal.com/5364.html)

I've only read 4 chapters so far, but I think it's really very strong as far as I've read.  The writing is good and the premise is interesting.  It's one of those stories that begins with the basic idea that Jack survives the accident (and/or attack) in Texas and Ennis has a realization/ decides to help Jack and commit to him as a result.


It's complete in 16 chapters.

Amanda, I also highly recommend this story.  I read it as it was being posted and always looked forward to each chapter.  The writing is high quality, for sure. One of the things that makes the story unique is that it is based more on the short story than the movie and it has a very authentic feel to it.  This Jack and Ennis are both as "rough-mannered, rough-spoken, inured to the stoic life," as AP described and the writer uses the physical descriptions of J&E from the ss throughout the story. The writer has an amazing talent for keeping the story raw and real, but at the same time beautiful and light and full of promise.  Even though the story is complete, I do hope she revisits this pair occasionally.

Marie
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: RouxB on November 26, 2008, 05:53:46 pm
Hey Sister! If you need any more recs, let me know cuz I've got a million of them. Do you prefer completed works?


Heya,
I'd been looking for a new story recently and discovered one that I really like based on a recommendation, so I thought I'd pass it along.

It's called The Outland by wildcolumbine.  Here's a link to chapter 1 http://wildcolumbine.livejournal.com/5364.html (http://wildcolumbine.livejournal.com/5364.html)

I've only read 4 chapters so far, but I think it's really very strong as far as I've read.  The writing is good and the premise is interesting.  It's one of those stories that begins with the basic idea that Jack survives the accident (and/or attack) in Texas and Ennis has a realization/ decides to help Jack and commit to him as a result.


It's complete in 16 chapters.





Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 27, 2008, 05:50:15 pm
Hey Sister! If you need any more recs, let me know cuz I've got a million of them. Do you prefer completed works?




Hi Roux!

I'd love some recommendations!  Complete stories, are of course, nice... but, completeness isn't a requirement for me.  As long as the story still seems "active" with the author updating relatively frequently, that's good enough for me.

Thanks Bud!
:)



Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on November 28, 2008, 12:21:12 pm
Amanda, I also highly recommend this story.  I read it as it was being posted and always looked forward to each chapter.  The writing is high quality, for sure. One of the things that makes the story unique is that it is based more on the short story than the movie and it has a very authentic feel to it.  This Jack and Ennis are both as "rough-mannered, rough-spoken, inured to the stoic life," as AP described and the writer uses the physical descriptions of J&E from the ss throughout the story. The writer has an amazing talent for keeping the story raw and real, but at the same time beautiful and light and full of promise.  Even though the story is complete, I do hope she revisits this pair occasionally.

Marie
thanks for the rec. Iīve seen the story around but have of some reason not read it. I will for sure now since you peaked my interest.

Another piece of news; Lolitaray is writing on Propinquity again. yay! I love that fic.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 28, 2008, 12:23:39 pm
thanks for the rec. Iīve seen the story around but have of some reason not read it. I will for sure now since you peaked my interest.

Another piece of news; Lolitaray is writing on Propinquity again. yay! I love that fic.

I'm now up to chapter 10 in The Outland.  And, I definitely continue to recommend it.  It's very smart.
:)

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: RouxB on November 28, 2008, 07:45:39 pm
I would love to do a chat session for fic recommendations-maybe on a regular basis (?). Anybody interested?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on November 30, 2008, 02:30:45 pm
I had completely missed Sienataīs fic Boys of Blue Ridge and spent today reading it. Everytime I read one of her stories I fall in love with her versions of Ennis and Jack. She writes such wonderful and cute fluff. Itīs very hard to decide which one of her stories I like best, they are all very sweet and very easy to read.
I think Iīm gonna have to go back and re-read Best Friends Forever
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 01, 2008, 11:40:47 am
I would love to do a chat session for fic recommendations-maybe on a regular basis (?). Anybody interested?

Hi Roux!  This sounds like a fun idea!

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on December 05, 2008, 03:29:44 pm
I would love to do a chat session for fic recommendations-maybe on a regular basis (?). Anybody interested?

Sounds like a great idea to me, too, roux!

Marie
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on December 05, 2008, 05:09:39 pm
Iīm looking for a fic, but I canīt remember the name.
One scene featured Ennis recieving a BJ by a girl in his car. Jack walks up to the car and sees them.
I think the girl isnīt Ennisīs girlfriend but rather a friend with benifits.

ring any bells?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on December 05, 2008, 05:30:33 pm
Iīm looking for a fic, but I canīt remember the name.
One scene featured Ennis recieving a BJ by a girl in his car. Jack walks up to the car and sees them.
I think the girl isnīt Ennisīs girlfriend but rather a friend with benifits.

ring any bells?

I'm pretty sure that is "Best Friends Forever" by Sienata. Hope that helps!  :)

Marie
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on December 05, 2008, 06:04:09 pm
I'm pretty sure that is "Best Friends Forever" by Sienata. Hope that helps!  :)

Marie
oh it is. How could I forget. Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on December 12, 2008, 10:15:15 am
ok, I got another fic that Iīm looking for.

Itīs canon up until they go their separate ways after the summer of 63. They both marry but meet again after only a few months or a year (I think) by accident during a wedding (they are both there with their wifes). Anyone remembers this story?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on December 12, 2008, 02:27:07 pm
ok, I got another fic that Iīm looking for.

Itīs canon up until they go their separate ways after the summer of 63. They both marry but meet again after only a few months or a year (I think) by accident during a wedding (they are both there with their wifes). Anyone remembers this story?

Buffy, that sounds like the wonderful "Right Where You Are."  I think Ennis was married to Alma, but Jack was only engaged (to someone other than Lureen) when they meet up again at the wedding.  Anyways, it's one of my favorites, in part b/c of how touchingly Ennis confronts his issues regarding Earl and Rich near the end of the story. 

Marie
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on December 15, 2008, 12:11:00 am
Buffy, that sounds like the wonderful "Right Where You Are."  I think Ennis was married to Alma, but Jack was only engaged (to someone other than Lureen) when they meet up again at the wedding.  Anyways, it's one of my favorites, in part b/c of how touchingly Ennis confronts his issues regarding Earl and Rich near the end of the story. 

Marie
Youīre right, Marie, thatīs the one! Iīve spent the last two days re-reading it. It really is a very nice story!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 04, 2009, 02:31:42 pm
Has someone ever read a story that has Ennis having sex with someone other than Jack?

Iīve read several where Jack sleeps with other people, but never Ennis. I guess this is logical in regard to canon, but it would be...different (good or bad different I donīt know) to read about Ennis trying it out and interesting to read about how that would impact him.
Iīve read a story (I think it was Divergent Dreams) where Ennis makes out with a man heīs met in a bar, but he is clearly drunk and upset and breaks it off before it goes any further.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 05, 2009, 06:14:14 pm
Has someone ever read a story that has Ennis having sex with someone other than Jack?

Iīve read several where Jack sleeps with other people, but never Ennis. I guess this is logical in regard to canon, but it would be...different (good or bad different I donīt know) to read about Ennis trying it out and interesting to read about how that would impact him.
Iīve read a story (I think it was Divergent Dreams) where Ennis makes out with a man heīs met in a bar, but he is clearly drunk and upset and breaks it off before it goes any further.
*update*
Well, at last I found a story that has Ennis sleeping with another man besides Jack (but itīs one of those hush hush stories, so I wonīt mention the title). It was interesting to read, but very emotional for me. I donīt think I wanna read about that again. Once is enough. :(


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on January 05, 2009, 06:32:24 pm
*update*
Well, at last I found a story that has Ennis sleeping with another man besides Jack (but itīs one of those hush hush stories, so I wonīt mention the title). It was interesting to read, but very emotional for me. I donīt think I wanna read about that again. Once is enough. :(




A hush-hush story?  No such thing on this forum, Buffy.  We don't have any restrictions on what stories can be discussed here.

And in original answer to your question, there are a number of stories that feature Ennis having a relationship with another man, almost all of them are stories that go past the original ending, i.e. after Jack's death.

My series of stories now called Greenlea Tales
Marge_Innavera's story "A Gift of Exile"
Tom Forster's "Ennis, A Sequel"
 
those are three off the top of my head.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Mikaela on January 05, 2009, 07:59:21 pm
Has someone ever read a story that has Ennis having sex with someone other than Jack?


Sienata's "The Ranch Hand".

But the story's unfinished and likely to remain so. In fact, I think Sienna ran out of steam partly or completely from describing the fic's Ennis doing the deed with someone else than Jack.

A pity, because I liked the gritty, tough and unromantic tone and premise, and would have liked to see her take the story further to where its harsh and emotionally closed-off Ennis discovers there's not just the need to have casual sex now and then with other guys - but there's  actually becoming emotionally invested and falling in love with another man.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 06, 2009, 04:53:09 am
A hush-hush story?  No such thing on this forum, Buffy.  We don't have any restrictions on what stories can be discussed here.

And in original answer to your question, there are a number of stories that feature Ennis having a relationship with another man, almost all of them are stories that go past the original ending, i.e. after Jack's death.

My series of stories now called Greenlea Tales
Marge_Innavera's story "A Gift of Exile"
Tom Forster's "Ennis, A Sequel"
 
those are three off the top of my head.
ok, good to know. I used to post on DC and they have a lot of rules about what fics to discuss or not. The fic I read was called "Green Eyes" and has Ennis sleeping with another man. There were no emotions involved though, only sex. I think a reason I didnīt like it was that it felt so out of character. If Iīm gonna be able to read about Ennis in bed with someone other than Jack, I really need a long build-up before it happens.

I rarely read post-Jack stories, so I guess thatīs why I havenīt encountered it before. Makes sense that it happens in stories that deals with Ennis after Jackīs death, though.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 06, 2009, 04:58:36 am
Sienata's "The Ranch Hand".

But the story's unfinished and likely to remain so. In fact, I think Sienna ran out of steam partly or completely from describing the fic's Ennis doing the deed with someone else than Jack.

A pity, because I liked the gritty, tough and unromantic tone and premise, and would have liked to see her take the story further to where its harsh and emotionally closed-off Ennis discovers there's not just the need to have casual sex now and then with other guys - but there's  actually becoming emotionally invested and falling in love with another man.


Now that you mention it....I think Iīve actually have read that fic. He got the hots for Jack but goes off to meet other men to blow of the steam.
I didnīt remember that fic at all until now, thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Artiste on January 06, 2009, 07:39:02 pm
I want to put in a plug for the new story “Ennis’s second visit to the Twist ranch.”  The story's URL is marc-r.livejournal.com

 

It also has its own thread.

 

The story does everything right.  The dialog between Jack’s mother and Ennis is heartfelt.  There’s a lot of grief in the story.

 

Jack’s in the story, too, in a sweet way.

 

And the ending feels really good.


 

I think anyone who loves the movie would enjoy the story.

 

And even if you don't like stories where Jack is dead, please give this one a try.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 11, 2009, 04:11:31 pm
I've spent the last three days practically in bed; reading fan fics and not doing much else. I have re-read a whole bunch of my favorites that I have saved on my HD.
My reading list for the last three days has been a follows

Friday: In Plain Sight by Victopet and The Moments Inbetween by Lolitaray
Saturday: Policy of Truth by Jacksharmonica and Propinquity by Lolitaray
Sunday: Portrait of a Farmer and Lake Geneva by B73


thereīs nothing like fan fics when youīre feeling a bit down :)
Title: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: Monika on January 27, 2009, 02:43:55 pm
Reading blog: This weekend: Portrait of a Farmer (yes - again!) by b73, A different Dream by Coffeecat and the first 4 chapters of Bus Stop
Just started: The del Mar Painting by b73


By the way, Iīm looking for two stories I read a while back but canīt remember the names of. Itīs driving me crazy.
Maybe you can help me out.

Story #1
In it, Ennis is a pilot and Jack is some kind of repair man. They meet one night when Jack breakes into Ennisīs house (mistakingly thinking heīs saving an abondoned dog inside a deserted house).
Later on I remember Jack finding a porno flick inside the house.


Story #2.

Jack and Ennis are together and they end up in some motel somewhere where they meet Rich (as in Earl and Rich). I think he owns the motel. Thatīs about all that I remember.




hey, itīs almost like a quiz ;)
Title: Re: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 27, 2009, 02:48:39 pm
Reading blog: This weekend: Portrait of a Farmer (yes - again!) by b73, A different Dream by Coffeecat and the first 4 chapters of Bus Stop
Just started: The del Mar Painting by b73


Are b73's stories re-posted somewhere? I thought she took them all down?
 ???


Title: Re: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: Monika on January 27, 2009, 02:52:20 pm
Are b73's stories re-posted somewhere?



Not that I know of, sorry.
Title: Re: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: mariez on January 27, 2009, 08:24:51 pm
By the way, Iīm looking for two stories I read a while back but canīt remember the names of. Itīs driving me crazy.
Maybe you can help me out.

Story #1
In it, Ennis is a pilot and Jack is some kind of repair man. They meet one night when Jack breakes into Ennisīs house (mistakingly thinking heīs saving an abondoned dog inside a deserted house).
Later on I remember Jack finding a porno flick inside the house.

Monika, this sounds like "Another Kind of Love" by whiskiegurl a/k/a Sienata.  I loved the way the story started.  But it's been sitting unfinished for a long time now.    The second one you mentioned doesn't sound familiar to me - but it's an interesting premise!

What do you think of "Bus Stop" so far?  I like the premise and I read the first two chapters, but I'm undecided.  The characterizations seemed a little over-the-top for my taste, but maybe I just didn't give it enough of a chance. 

Marie
Title: Re: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: Monika on January 28, 2009, 09:49:42 am
Monika, this sounds like "Another Kind of Love" by whiskiegurl a/k/a Sienata.  I loved the way the story started.  But it's been sitting unfinished for a long time now.    The second one you mentioned doesn't sound familiar to me - but it's an interesting premise!

What do you think of "Bus Stop" so far?  I like the premise and I read the first two chapters, but I'm undecided.  The characterizations seemed a little over-the-top for my taste, but maybe I just didn't give it enough of a chance. 

Marie
Youīre right, it was Another Kind of Love. Thanks! It drives me mad when I canīt find old stories that I want to read again.

About Bus Stop; I read the first chapter of Bus Stop when it first was published, and I didnīt think I would read any more.
But since I love Riding With the Wind, I decided to give it another chance. Like you, I like the premise but I think itīs off to a somewhat slow and uninteresting start. But Iīm gonna read at least next chapter when itīs posted (ch7) because it finally seems as they are gonna meet one-on-one so I hope the story picks up the pace from there on.
Title: Re: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: mariez on January 28, 2009, 01:37:36 pm
About Bus Stop; I read the first chapter of Bus Stop when it first was published, and I didnīt think I would read any more.
But since I love Riding With the Wind, I decided to give it another chance. Like you, I like the premise but I think itīs off to a somewhat slow and uninteresting start. But Iīm gonna read at least next chapter when itīs posted (ch7) because it finally seems as they are gonna meet one-on-one so I hope the story picks up the pace from there on.

Yes, I enjoyed "Ride the Wind" too.  I understand what you're saying about the slow start.  Sometimes long narratives are necessary in a story, but sometimes they just slow it down too much when the writer tries to pile on too much background information, etc. to explain the characters and their actions.  I like when a writer can "show" us these things through dialogue and shorter narratives, but I know that can be hard to do, and actually take longer to write!  I'll give "Bus Stop" another try - sometimes reading several chapters at once puts the story in a better perspective.

Marie

Title: Re: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: Penthesilea on January 28, 2009, 02:52:56 pm
By the way, Iīm looking for two stories I read a while back but canīt remember the names of. Itīs driving me crazy.
Maybe you can help me out.

Story #2.

Jack and Ennis are together and they end up in some motel somewhere where they meet Rich (as in Earl and Rich). I think he owns the motel. Thatīs about all that I remember.


The second story you're looking for should be "'If Anyone Can Show Just Cause, Speak Now...'." by vln_bbmfan. Jack shows up at Ennis's wedding, just in time to keep him from marrying Alma. They run away together and end up in a motel which is owned by Rich. I think they are at the Twist's ranch for a little while before ending up in the motel. Ennis finds work on a ranch and they find friends in an elderly couple, Elmer and ? (I forgot the woman's name. Was it Doris or Iris? - dunno).

There's a sequel "Till Death Do Us Part" and another sequel to that "All Shook Up". All shook up is unfinished and not updated since March 2008.

I read the first part (If Anyone can..) and parts of the second one (when the army actually does get Jack).

Here's the link to vln_bbmfan's journal.

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/ (http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/)

From there, you gotta look for yourself. I couldn't find links for the first part ("If Anyone..."). Guess you have to browse though her journal way back in time.


Edit:

I finally found it! Listing of all chapters of "If Anyone...". Complete with links:

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/?skip=60#item13418


And here's the page with links to all chapters of the second part ("Till Death Do Us Part"):

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/22952.html (http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/22952.html)


To make it complete, here are all chapters of the unfinished "All Shook Up":

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/34033.html#cutid1 (http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/34033.html#cutid1)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 28, 2009, 03:00:08 pm
That's very helpful! Thanks Chrissie :-*

Another story I was looking for was when Jack joins the army and ends up way up north somewhere, but I realise now that it's the same story. Thanks for bringing order to my chaos ;D

There have been periods of time when I've just read one fan fic after another, and have simply not taken time to scribble down the titles. Without you all I'd be completely lost :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on January 28, 2009, 03:02:18 pm
I edited my post after you replied. Have a look, I finally found all chapter listings and links.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 28, 2009, 03:20:41 pm
Thatīs great. THANKS! :-* :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on January 28, 2009, 03:38:08 pm
You're very welcome. :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on February 04, 2009, 12:33:28 pm
Is anyone reading the story "Writerīs Block" that is being regulary updated on BBslash?
Would be interesting to hear someoneīs opinion on it
Title: Re: Do you remember these stories?
Post by: Brown Eyes on February 04, 2009, 01:11:12 pm

The second story you're looking for should be "'If Anyone Can Show Just Cause, Speak Now...'." by vln_bbmfan. Jack shows up at Ennis's wedding, just in time to keep him from marrying Alma. They run away together and end up in a motel which is owned by Rich. I think they are at the Twist's ranch for a little while before ending up in the motel. Ennis finds work on a ranch and they find friends in an elderly couple, Elmer and ? (I forgot the woman's name. Was it Doris or Iris? - dunno).

There's a sequel "Till Death Do Us Part" and another sequel to that "All Shook Up". All shook up is unfinished and not updated since March 2008.

I read the first part (If Anyone can..) and parts of the second one (when the army actually does get Jack).

Here's the link to vln_bbmfan's journal.

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/ (http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/)

From there, you gotta look for yourself. I couldn't find links for the first part ("If Anyone..."). Guess you have to browse though her journal way back in time.


Edit:

I finally found it! Listing of all chapters of "If Anyone...". Complete with links:

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/?skip=60#item13418


And here's the page with links to all chapters of the second part ("Till Death Do Us Part"):

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/22952.html (http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/22952.html)


To make it complete, here are all chapters of the unfinished "All Shook Up":

http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/34033.html#cutid1 (http://vln-bbmfan.livejournal.com/34033.html#cutid1)


Thanks for pointing these out Chrissi!  They sound good, but somehow I've missed them.  I'll check them out one of these days.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on February 04, 2009, 08:45:16 pm
Is anyone reading the story "Writer´s Block" that is being regulary updated on BBslash?
Would be interesting to hear someone´s opinion on it


Yes I have been reading it.

I have been enjoying it more and more with every chapter.  I didnt really know at first what she was
going to do with them, but I like the fact she is getting it moving pretty fast.  Jack is for sure the
one driving the car, but Ennis is just as direct too.  The only thing is he isnt even in the territory of knowing yet that Jack is gay..But it is getting really good.

    I think her bring in the other characters from the OS.  May really make for an interesting dynamic.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on February 08, 2009, 05:02:47 pm
I gotta say I feel pretty excited about Cornflakes new fic "Guilty Pleasure" after all those teasers :)


As for reading, Iīm currently reading more in the del Mar Painting universe. When Iīm done I plan to re-read  "The Gambler" by by rt_in_town
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Marc on February 09, 2009, 01:13:00 pm
I've posted my fourth one-shot canon, "A SNIT story."  It's here:  marc-r.livejournal.com (http://marc-r.livejournal.com)

It starts as the scene fades out, and ends when they fall asleep.  It's mostly sex, with a little romance at the end.

It also has its own thread.

All comments welcome.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on February 12, 2009, 01:10:57 pm
I can really recomend "Bus Stop." It had a slow start, but the latest chapter was really good and I am really looking forward to the next.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on February 12, 2009, 02:47:07 pm
I can really recomend "Bus Stop." It had a slow start, but the latest chapter was really good and I am really looking forward to the next.

Oh, good to know!  I'll try to catch up with it this weekend.  Thanks.  :)


There are a couple of new stories by new authors that look promising.  The first is called "Half of the Other" by Clearflow.  Author's Summary:  Set in Wyoming. Both work for an Advertising Agency. Both on different floors but have worked closely together for two years, becoming good friends. Ennis is a copywriter and Jack is an art director.

It's done in first-person and is fast-paced and funny.  There are two chapters so far. It starts here: 

http://clearflow.livejournal.com/768.html (http://clearflow.livejournal.com/768.html)


Another new one is "A Month of Sundays" by mrs_spamlad.  Author's Summary: Jack Twist is a professional sign language interpreter who is unhappy in his job. Ennis Del Mar is a pastry chef who owns his own business and teaches classes at a culinary center. Can Ennis help Jack find the ingredient that is missing in his life?

The writing is very good and it has some unique elements.  There are three chapters so far.  It starts here:

http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1 (http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1)

Marie
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: samwise_fan1965 on February 24, 2009, 09:58:22 pm
Hi all!
I just read a couple by Marc and would recommend both to everybody.
The first is his take on the SNIT and the second is about Ennis taking a second trip to Lightning Flat.
Like I said, they're both pretty good but SNIT is NC-17 so if it's not your cup of tea... well you know. The second trip story is PG-13 so it's pretty mild.
If someone else has posted on these two, I apologize for a double post, but time is short.
Anyway, happy reading!
-samwise

p.s. here's the link to the stories.
http://marc-r.livejournal.com/
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: NavyVet on March 04, 2009, 11:06:09 pm
I have kind of a general question.
It seems that most BbM fanfic is found in the Live Journal format, either in communities or in individual LJs.  At least I'm not finding a whole lot of fic in archives outside of LJ.
While I understand that writers want to use caution and 'lock' their journals or specific stories, it is also frustrating for us readers, especially when you see a summary that catches your interest posted at a community or forum for all to see with a link to the story only to be denied access until the author deems you worthy of being 'friended.'  Even worse is when you've been following a great story and all of a sudden the links no longer work so you can't get the updates.

My question is:  What is a person to do when, after begging more than once to be friended, is still ignored, huh?
Is it just me who finds the whole 'friending' system rather cruel?
Don't writers WANT to share what they've written with readers?
And they wonder why people give up and leave the fandom.  This truly has made me very depressed...
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on March 04, 2009, 11:32:22 pm
I can answer a couple of aspects of this NavyVet.  BTW Welcome back!!!

One of the chief reasons why LJ communities are where most of the BBM fanfic is found is because the forum communities had rules or restrictions about content.  Davecullen.com locked its "Slash" section for members only and at one time did permit poetry and short fics, but changed that policy, in large part due to concerns over copyright and the grey area that fanfic falls into.  At the same time, one of the largest archive sites, fanfiction.net, prohibited NC-17 level stories, and much of BBM fanfic is R or X - rated, explicit sexual content, which is not allowed on ff.

And unfortunately, the BBM fandom has over the past couple of years or so suffered from two major events: fandom war and cease and desists from Annie Proulx's lawyers.  Some - in fact, many - authors have friends-locked their Livejournals due to quarrels and flaming by anonymous readers.  I went for over a year of writing my fanfic before I got flame messages, and before I resorted to F-locking my journal I put it on blocking anonymous comments.  Now I have my personal journal with my latest work f-locked, and have my earlier stories on a public archive on Livejournal, and that is mainly to prevent people I don't know but who may be following me via the internet on my user name, from tracking down my personal LJ and LJ groups.  I would like to say that my misfortune in getting targeted in BBM fandom wars was a unique experience (at its height, there were five LJ sites devoted to unflattering discussion or outright flaming of my stories - I don't know of any other BBM fanfic author who had such a concentration of negative attention), however, it is not a unique experience, and many of the authors who locked their journals did so after having some sort of run-in or altercation with other members of the fandom.

I don't know whether this level of friction is typical of fandoms in general or not, because I don't have a lot of experience in other fandoms, but that is pretty much what has happened to this one, and a lot of authors have either not finished their work, deleted it, or locked it.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: NavyVet on March 05, 2009, 10:46:54 am
Thanks for answering, Louise!
In my experience with numerous fandoms, I've found that BbM has been the most volatile by far.  I had heard about the c&d problems and other attacks on writers and can totally appreciate the authors' need to protect themselves.
I think what is upsetting me is the not being able to get 'friended' for some unknown reason in order to continue following and enjoying a story that I had already invested much time in.  To me, it just seems mean, and it hurts to realize I'm never gonna be able to read the rest of a particular story.
Hope you are doing well!
Hugs,
NV
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 05, 2009, 10:59:53 am
In my experience with numerous fandoms, I've found that BbM has been the most volatile by far.  I had heard about the c&d problems and other attacks on writers and can totally appreciate the authors' need to protect themselves.

The C&D problems have deprived us of some of our best fanfic works. However, IMO, the 'fanfic wars' have inflicted a lot more damage.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on March 05, 2009, 11:39:43 am
At its height, there were five LJ sites devoted to unflattering discussion or outright flaming of my stories.

 :o  Jesus H.!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on March 05, 2009, 01:28:20 pm



     I personally have never had an author not friend me whenever I asked them to do so.  I dont
really  understand the issues you are having with that.  I usually get an answer very quickly.  Not
even a day, sometimes less than an hour.  I have been reading since practically day one, however.
Maybe its the familiarity of my name that makes it easy for me, I dont really have an answer to that?
I would just write them again, to try and explain what the problems that you are having are.  Hopefully they will then become more familiar with your issues, and friend you. 
    I hope you can get this ironed out.  Sorry you are having this problem.  And by the bye,,, welcome back from me too.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 05, 2009, 01:59:56 pm
:o  Jesus H.!

And I saw some of them -- Louise isn't exaggerating. For some of us, the "fanfic wars" were also our first experience with receiving hate mail. 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 05, 2009, 02:16:44 pm
I must say I've never encountered any type of negativity regarding fan fiction. I've never gotten any hate mail, have certainly never sent any and haven't seen people flaming fics in comments either.

and I hope it stays that way O0


When people talk about "hate mail" what exactly does that mean? Do people write the authors letting them know they donīt like their stories, or is it more personal?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: karen1129 on March 05, 2009, 02:27:52 pm
And I saw some of them -- Louise isn't exaggerating. For some of us, the "fanfic wars" were also our first experience with receiving hate mail. 

No, Louise isn't exaggerating.

I really never understood the links that some people went to.
It seemed simple to me.  If you don't like a fic, don't read it. !

It was more personal then anything I believe.

What a sad waste of energy.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on March 05, 2009, 02:56:31 pm
I must say I've never encountered any type of negativity regarding fan fiction. I've never gotten any hate mail, have certainly never sent any and haven't seen people flaming fics in comments either.

and I hope it stays that way O0


When people talk about "hate mail" what exactly does that mean? Do people write the authors letting them know they donīt like their stories, or is it more personal?

You probably started putting your stories into the fandom after the fandom wars died down, which was about six or eight months ago.  A large number of people left the fandom and things died down.  One of the things that fueled the fire with me (and Karen's right, it got personal - very personal) was that someone was messaging groups of people telling them that I was somehow responsible for the C&D that went to Jenna Sinclair.  Apparently that accusation was believed without question, even though no one had any reason to believe that I would have access to the people who would act and produce a C&D.  After several more C&D's, one of which came to me in April 2007, I got an apology from one of the people who had been privy to that gossip, who told me that she knew now that I had nothing to do with it.  Of COURSE I had nothing to do with it - I'm not friends with Annie Proulx's lawyers!  I also don't believe that fanfiction is wrong, so I wouldn't report anyone for writing it.  Subsequently in an interview Proulx gave, she apparently got activist about shutting down fanfiction after some dolts mailed her their "rewritten versions" of BBM asking for her approval, and she must have sent her lawyer around to search the internet and target some of us whose work was easy to find on a search as a retaliation against people who were dumb enough to wave it under her nose.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on March 05, 2009, 02:58:20 pm
And I saw some of them -- Louise isn't exaggerating. For some of us, the "fanfic wars" were also our first experience with receiving hate mail. 

Oh, I never doubted. I'm sure some people feel every bit as passionate about fan fiction as they feel about "the original," but learning this makes me glad I was really on the periphery of the fan-fic world. My stuff wasn't much read, but I received a few lovely compliments from a few people who did read it, and that was more than sufficient. I wrote to fulfill a need that I had, I hesitated to get involved in posting stories (in view of why I wrote them, posting struck as being a little like taking my clothes off in public  ;D ) and the fact that a few nice people enjoyed them was "gravy."

No, Louise isn't exaggerating.

I really never understood the links that some people went to.
It seemed simple to me.  If you don't like a fic, don't read it. !

It was more personal then anything I believe.

What a sad waste of energy.

Just seems to me like some people had way too much invested. They need to get a life.  :-\
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: karen1129 on March 05, 2009, 02:59:48 pm
Buffy, do you write BBM Fic?

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 05, 2009, 03:41:16 pm
You probably started putting your stories into the fandom after the fandom wars died down, which was about six or eight months ago. 

I think youīre right. I came in pretty late so I probably missed it.

Quote
A large number of people left the fandom and things died down.  One of the things that fueled the fire with me (and Karen's right, it got personal - very personal) was that someone was messaging groups of people telling them that I was somehow responsible for the C&D that went to Jenna Sinclair.  Apparently that accusation was believed without question, even though no one had any reason to believe that I would have access to the people who would act and produce a C&D.  After several more C&D's, one of which came to me in April 2007, I got an apology from one of the people who had been privy to that gossip, who told me that she knew now that I had nothing to do with it.  Of COURSE I had nothing to do with it - I'm not friends with Annie Proulx's lawyers!  I also don't believe that fanfiction is wrong, so I wouldn't report anyone for writing it.  Subsequently in an interview Proulx gave, she apparently got activist about shutting down fanfiction after some dolts mailed her their "rewritten versions" of BBM asking for her approval, and she must have sent her lawyer around to search the internet and target some of us whose work was easy to find on a search as a retaliation against people who were dumb enough to wave it under her nose.
Oh my... >:(

It would be interesting to hear Annie Proulxī reasons for disliking fan fiction (as long as no one is making money off of it). To me, it would be the ultimate compliment.
But since she created Jack and Ennis, Iīd probably forgive her anything :laugh:

sorry you had to go through all that, Louise. Good to hear things have calmed down
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 05, 2009, 03:41:55 pm
Buffy, do you write BBM Fic?


I dabble a bit, nothing much though.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: RouxB on March 05, 2009, 03:45:08 pm
NavyVet-

The trick to being "friended" is to comment so your name gets known. I generally don't have trouble being friended because I have, like Janice (  :-* ) been around for a long time, leave insipid comments and mind my manners. If you are in the middle of a story that gets locked, maybe you can appeal to someone who knows and trusts you and who has access to the story to intervene (with the writer) on your behalf. What are you locked out of currently?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on March 05, 2009, 04:24:15 pm
It would be interesting to hear Annie Proulxī reasons for disliking fan fiction (as long as no one is making money off of it). To me, it would be the ultimate compliment.

There was a thread about that somewhere around here, but I forget where.  ???

I remember that the word "pornographic" was used, and that people were apparently expecting her to "approve" their different endings to her own story (which would annoy me, too, if I were her).
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on March 06, 2009, 01:17:31 am



      If my mind serves me right, and lately I am not going to bank on it that much.  But what I remember her saying
was that she had received some fanfic written by gay men, that were telling Annie that her being a woman, could not
possibly understand the truth in the story she had written.  So they then set about rewriting it with pornographic content
and other endings that they deemed more proper.  She was very incensed by that.  Who could blame her.  My idea is
however, I have seen very few stories that are written by gay men, and she may well have been mistaken on that item.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on March 06, 2009, 02:50:33 pm


      If my mind serves me right, and lately I am not going to bank on it that much.  But what I remember her saying
was that she had received some fanfic written by gay men, that were telling Annie that her being a woman, could not
possibly understand the truth in the story she had written.  So they then set about rewriting it with pornographic content
and other endings that they deemed more proper.  She was very incensed by that.  Who could blame her.  My idea is
however, I have seen very few stories that are written by gay men, and she may well have been mistaken on that item.

That sounds about right.

I simply cannot imagine having the intestinal fortitude to send a piece of fan fiction to the author on whose work the story is based. But then I'm famously a coward. ...  ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on March 06, 2009, 03:23:53 pm
That sounds about right.

I simply cannot imagine having the intestinal fortitude to send a piece of fan fiction to the author on whose work the story is based. But then I'm famously a coward. ...  ;D


I wouldn't call it cowardly, I think it's nothing but common sense and manners.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on March 06, 2009, 03:54:49 pm

I wouldn't call it cowardly, I think it's nothing but common sense and manners.

 :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Mikaela on March 06, 2009, 10:44:29 pm
I'm sure Annie Proulx wouldn't take kindly to any kind of Brokeback fics, and who can blame her - it's her creation, and one at that which made a particularly strong impression even on her - of course she's possessibe of them, even beyond the intellectual right/copyright legalities.

But nevertheless I cannot imagine any of the good fic writers being stupidly senseless (and inconsiderate) enough to write Ms. Proulx and tell her "here's how your story *should* have gone". Which means that what she *has* actually received and looked through probably is the very definition of badfic. Which is sad on more than one count: 

If she were to read any BBM fics I'd much rather those were some of the fandom's finest, in terms of writing style, plot, theme and characterization. At least that way she would have gotten a better and (hopefully) more favourable impression of how her work and her 2 beloved characters have impressed and inspired her readers.

Also, sending a published author badfics to annoy her seems as good a way as any to have a C&D crackdown happen. So these "writers" were inconsiderate not only to Ms Proulx but to the fandom at large.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 09, 2009, 09:57:17 am
Has anyone read "Got Me Good" by jen_wcugirl?  It was just updated recently (currently has 21 chapters and was begun back in 07) and, over the weekend I started reading it when I was hunting around for something new to begin. 

Wow!  It's certainly intense and not for the faint-hearted.  I've read about half of the story at this point.  The scenario involves the "army getting" Jack and he winds up a POW.  And, its a lot about the repercussions of his experiences, Ennis's response, etc.

The writing is quite strong and she's a good storyteller.  But, again, the scenario is pretty brutal.  I'd be curious to hear other folks' reactions if they've read this one. 

Here's a link to the beginning of the story:
http://jen-wcugirl.livejournal.com/8868.html (http://jen-wcugirl.livejournal.com/8868.html)

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 19, 2009, 03:57:30 pm
Chapter 10 of Bus Stop is up
http://bcatjr.livejournal.com/20330.html

This story really has picked up pace and this last chapter was very tense and sexy.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 19, 2009, 04:27:13 pm
But nevertheless I cannot imagine any of the good fic writers being stupidly senseless (and inconsiderate) enough to write Ms. Proulx and tell her "here's how your story *should* have gone". Which means that what she *has* actually received and looked through probably is the very definition of badfic.

what I remember [Annie Proulx] saying was that she had received some fanfic written by gay men, that were telling Annie that her being a woman, could not possibly understand the truth in the story she had written.  . . . My idea is
however, I have seen very few stories that are written by gay men, and she may well have been mistaken on that item.

One thing I don't believe I've heard discussed is the assumption that these were gay male fanfic writers. Annie Proulx referred to them as such but judging from the whole context she never met any of these people -- they just wrote to her.

In other words, we have only the word of the sender or senders that they were gay. Or male. Or even fanfic writers.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on March 19, 2009, 04:39:40 pm
One thing I don't believe I've heard discussed is the assumption that these were gay male fanfic writers. Annie Proulx referred to them as such but judging from the whole context she never met any of these people -- they just wrote to her.

In other words, we have only the word of the sender or senders that they were gay. Or male. Or even fanfic writers.

Or that the work she was sent was their own work.  They could have sent her chapters from my series, for example, just to get a comment.  Or cause trouble.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 19, 2009, 04:53:01 pm
That would have been easy to do -- all it would take was knowing how to cut-and-paste. And there are some real clunkers out there!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on March 19, 2009, 07:19:17 pm
Has anyone read "Got Me Good" by jen_wcugirl?  It was just updated recently (currently has 21 chapters and was begun back in 07) and, over the weekend I started reading it when I was hunting around for something new to begin. 

Wow!  It's certainly intense and not for the faint-hearted.  I've read about half of the story at this point.  The scenario involves the "army getting" Jack and he winds up a POW.  And, its a lot about the repercussions of his experiences, Ennis's response, etc.

The writing is quite strong and she's a good storyteller.  But, again, the scenario is pretty brutal.  I'd be curious to hear other folks' reactions if they've read this one. 

Here's a link to the beginning of the story:
http://jen-wcugirl.livejournal.com/8868.html (http://jen-wcugirl.livejournal.com/8868.html)



Amanda, I've never read it, but if the writing is good, I'll look into it! 


Chapter 10 of Bus Stop is up
http://bcatjr.livejournal.com/20330.html

This story really has picked up pace and this last chapter was very tense and sexy.

I just caught up with "Bus Stop" tonight.  I thought this chapter was really well done.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 19, 2009, 08:03:11 pm
Hi Marie,

I actually stopped reading that story.  I haven't read too much more of it since I made that post asking about it a while back.  It got too bleak and way too grim for my taste.  The writing is strong, I'll certainly say that.  But, I just couldn't bring myself to keep reading it.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on March 20, 2009, 01:52:38 pm
Hi Marie,

I actually stopped reading that story.  I haven't read too much more of it since I made that post asking about it a while back.  It got too bleak and way too grim for my taste.  The writing is strong, I'll certainly say that.  But, I just couldn't bring myself to keep reading it.



Ah, okay.  That's not what I'm in the mood for right now, so thanks for the heads-up on that, Amanda. 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 24, 2009, 02:07:58 pm
Is anyone here reading "Wave on Wave"?Iīve seen it around but havenīt read it. Would be interesting to hear someoneīs opionion on it
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 24, 2009, 03:49:43 pm
Is anyone here reading "Wave on Wave"?Iīve seen it around but havenīt read it. Would be interesting to hear someoneīs opionion on it

Heya!  I am reading it.  But, I haven't read the most recent update yet.  The writing is strong and I'm hooked enough to keep reading.  In the first 3 chapters at least, it's still in the phase of the story where things are being introduced and set up.  Jack and Ennis are just at the point of developing a rapport and friendship/ initial attraction with each other.  So, it's still early going in this story.  It's an interesting scenario.  I recommend giving it a try if you're looking for a new story to begin.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 25, 2009, 02:34:12 am
Heya!  I am reading it.  But, I haven't read the most recent update yet.  The writing is strong and I'm hooked enough to keep reading.  In the first 3 chapters at least, it's still in the phase of the story where things are being introduced and set up.  Jack and Ennis are just at the point of developing a rapport and friendship/ initial attraction with each other.  So, it's still early going in this story.  It's an interesting scenario.  I recommend giving it a try if you're looking for a new story to begin.


That sounds pretty interesting. I think Iīll check it outī. Thanks :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: RouxB on March 25, 2009, 04:24:48 am
That sounds pretty interesting. I think Iīll check it outī. Thanks :)

I'm reading it and was pretty much hooked from the first chapter.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 08, 2009, 10:38:58 pm

I just did a quick search and didn't get a hit for this story, so I don't know if it's come up before.  But, last night I started reading a story by tmn1966 called Come Tomorrow.  Currently it has 8 chapters and a one-shot.  The one-shot was the starting point for the story and then the longer story developed after that.  It's an AU that starts with Jack's lake-side statment "sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  It's an interesting starting point, I think, because I feel like I've rarely seen a story where that's the launching point moment, or the turning point moment for a lot of change.

Even though there are only 8 chapters, each chapter is very long, and chapter 2 is a two-part chapter.  I've only read through chapter 5 so far, but I'm really thoroughly enjoying it.

It's nice to read a story that's fairly closely related to the original BBM again.

Here's the link to the one shot that was the start to the story, or is almost a prologue to the full story.

http://tmn1966.livejournal.com/14841.html#cutid1 (http://tmn1966.livejournal.com/14841.html#cutid1)

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on April 08, 2009, 10:57:26 pm
I just did a quick search and didn't get a hit for this story, so I don't know if it's come up before.  But, last night I started reading a story by tmn1966 called Come Tomorrow.  Currently it has 8 chapters and a one-shot.  The one-shot was the starting point for the story and then the longer story developed after that.  It's an AU that starts with Jack's lake-side statment "sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  It's an interesting starting point, I think, because I feel like I've rarely seen a story where that's the launching point moment, or the turning point moment for a lot of change.

Even though there are only 8 chapters, each chapter is very long, and chapter 2 is a two-part chapter.  I've only read through chapter 5 so far, but I'm really thoroughly enjoying it.

It's nice to read a story that's fairly closely related to the original BBM again.

Here's the link to the one shot that was the start to the story, or is almost a prologue to the full story.

http://tmn1966.livejournal.com/14841.html#cutid1 (http://tmn1966.livejournal.com/14841.html#cutid1)


Thanks for the rec! Iīve not read that one
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on April 09, 2009, 02:52:27 pm
I'll add my thumbs up for "Wave on Wave."  I agree it's an interesting  - and unique - scenario.  The author has a great way with descriptions, too.  Lots of details that are fun to read. 


I just did a quick search and didn't get a hit for this story, so I don't know if it's come up before.  But, last night I started reading a story by tmn1966 called Come Tomorrow.  Currently it has 8 chapters and a one-shot.  The one-shot was the starting point for the story and then the longer story developed after that.  It's an AU that starts with Jack's lake-side statment "sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  It's an interesting starting point, I think, because I feel like I've rarely seen a story where that's the launching point moment, or the turning point moment for a lot of change.
........

It's nice to read a story that's fairly closely related to the original BBM again.

Thanks for this rec, Amanda.  I hadn't started this, but I'll try to this weekend.  You're right that AU/AU's have become predominant and it will be interesting to read a "canon/AU" again. 

I'd also like to give another rec for a story I mentioned a couple months ago - "A Month of Sundays." It's the one where Jack is a professional sign language interpreter (a profession he shares with the author) and Ennis is a pastry chef who owns his own business and teaches classes at a culinary center.  This story is funny and sharp and clever and the dialogue just sparkles. 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on April 10, 2009, 11:26:47 am
Iīve started to read Come Tomorrow. Itīs a bit too fluffy for my personal taste, but Iīll keep reading it. Itīs always nice with fics that has Ennis and Jack living on their own ranch, trying to make a life together.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 10, 2009, 11:53:32 am
Iīve started to read Come Tomorrow. Itīs a bit too fluffy for my personal taste, but Iīll keep reading it. Itīs always nice with fics that has Ennis and Jack living on their own ranch, trying to make a life together.

I like the ones that are pretty domestic and focus on the nuances of relationships.  Sometimes I like high drama too, but often I like these sort of sweeter stories too.

Yes, I think the ranching-up together/ figuring out how to live together and blend their families storyline  is pretty key to many AU stories.  And, yep, I tend to like them.  It's amazing how many variations of that kind of storyline folks have come up with.

There will be more angst and drama as the story progresses.  There are also some good newly created characters.  And... this isn't too much of a spoiler I don't think... there's an interesting, strong lesbian character introduced further into the story, which of course, I tend to like.

:)

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on April 12, 2009, 08:31:07 am
After reading the last post on the Best Friends Fover thread, I started to wonder about what fic in the fandom is longest. Any thoughts?



I think the longest fics Iīve read are Del Mar Painting, Best Friends Forever and Union Pacific
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 12, 2009, 11:45:45 am
After reading the last post on the Best Friends Fover thread, I started to wonder about what fic in the fandom is longest. Any thoughts?



I think the longest fics Iīve read are Del Mar Painting, Best Friends Forever and Union Pacific

BFF is definitely one of the longest I've read.  I'd also nominate Can't Stand It by nosunlight.  That one is now 133 chapters long (if you add the 30 recent "vignettes" to the original 103 chapters of the story). 

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on April 12, 2009, 11:58:10 am
BFF is definitely one of the longest I've read.  I'd also nominate Can't Stand It by nosunlight.  That one is now 133 chapters long (if you add the 30 recent "vignettes" to the original 103 chapters of the story). 


133? Woho!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 12, 2009, 12:10:40 pm
133? Woho!

 :D :laugh:

Yep.  Not only are there a lot of chapters, but the chapters themselves are usually pretty long. 

I recommend this one if folks haven't read it yet.  I started reading it a long time ago, and it was fun (or still is fun) because, much like Sienata, nosunlight updates quite frequently.  She's still writing the "vignettes", which are really just more chapters of the main story.  So this one isn't technically finished (even though, it seems she intended the story to end at chapter 103).

Can't Stand It is another relationship/family/figuring-out-how-to-live-together type AU.

There's an old thread about this story here in the forum that hasn't seen much action for a long time.  I'll go bump it.


Another enormously long series is the "Sequence" series by fics_at_random.  It's hard to exactly say how many chapters that one has because of the way it's been organized and updated.  But, it's huge.



 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on April 25, 2009, 07:48:27 pm
Iīve just finished re-reading Jacksharmonicaīs "Policy of Truth" for the 7th or 8th time. Itīs a story that Iīve always loved and without a doubt consider to be one of the best. Itīs completely realistic, beatiful in a kind of unassuming kind of way and itīs flawless in its portrayals of Jack and Ennis. Love it, love it, love it. :-* :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 25, 2009, 08:00:16 pm
Iīve just finished re-reading Jacksharmonicaīs "Policy of Truth" for the 7th or 8th time. Itīs a story that Iīve always loved and without a doubt consider to be one of the best. Itīs completely realistic, beatiful in a kind of unassuming kind of way and itīs flawless in its portrayals of Jack and Ennis. Love it, love it, love it. :-* :-*

Thanks for the recommendation!  I've never read that one.  I'll give it a look. :)


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Mikaela on May 03, 2009, 01:09:27 pm
Are anyone here participating in the Chocolate fic challenge at BrokebackSlash? I think it seems a fun challenge and if I understand it correctly all the fics will be anonymous, at least at first.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 03, 2009, 01:19:45 pm
Are anyone here participating in the Chocolate fic challenge at BrokebackSlash? I think it seems a fun challenge and if I understand it correctly all the fics will be anonymous, at least at first.
I have started on a fic, but I donīt know yet if Iīll finish it :P

what about you?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Mikaela on May 03, 2009, 01:27:55 pm
Perhaps...   :-X :laugh:
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 03, 2009, 01:50:29 pm
Perhaps...   :-X :laugh:
I hope you win!

I think there is real chocolate on stake...
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Mikaela on May 03, 2009, 04:04:49 pm
Well, I hope you manage to finish your entry. Still some hours till deadline....... Good luck!  8)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 04, 2009, 08:45:35 am
Well, I hope you manage to finish your entry. Still some hours till deadline....... Good luck!  8)
I managed to get it in on time, but just barely. Itīs the worst, most corny piece of **** ever, But still, an entry!  ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on May 07, 2009, 06:43:20 pm
Iīve just finished re-reading Jacksharmonicaīs "Policy of Truth" for the 7th or 8th time. Itīs a story that Iīve always loved and without a doubt consider to be one of the best. Itīs completely realistic, beatiful in a kind of unassuming kind of way and itīs flawless in its portrayals of Jack and Ennis. Love it, love it, love it. :-* :-*

Ooooooo. I'm going to have to read this one!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on May 07, 2009, 06:45:05 pm
After reading the last post on the Best Friends Fover thread, I started to wonder about what fic in the fandom is longest. Any thoughts?



I think the longest fics Iīve read are Del Mar Painting, Best Friends Forever and Union Pacific

LOL. I am still reading BFF. It's really good, but looooonnnng. ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on May 13, 2009, 10:45:20 pm
Iīve just finished re-reading Jacksharmonicaīs "Policy of Truth" for the 7th or 8th time. Itīs a story that Iīve always loved and without a doubt consider to be one of the best. Itīs completely realistic, beatiful in a kind of unassuming kind of way and itīs flawless in its portrayals of Jack and Ennis. Love it, love it, love it. :-* :-*

I wanted to start chapter 1 today, and the live journal has been deleted and purged! BOOOO! Doe's anybody have a copy they could send me?
Ian
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on May 15, 2009, 09:54:52 pm
I wanted to start chapter 1 today, and the live journal has been deleted and purged! BOOOO! Doe's anybody have a copy they could send me?
Ian

Guess what! Even though Jacksharmonica's LJ account is no more, there is a downloadable pdf file of the story!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on June 13, 2009, 10:07:44 pm
I finished "Best Friends Forever", and loved it. I've begun Jacksharmonicaīs "Policy of Truth", and so far am really enjoying it. It's very well written and entirely believable, because I know guys who went through it for real.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on June 14, 2009, 03:28:32 pm

   " Looking Back"
       Sienata's newest story.  She is writing with the intent of a future publication.  It is moving along very slowly, but it
has much to tell, with many details.  Its written about the teen years.  Its Ennis in the future at some kind of turning point'
and he is keeping a journal.  Starts with them in hi school...  Very good.  But the chapters are shorter than her usual fare.
       She says she has no idea yet how long it will be.  So if you commit to it.  Be ready for a long long ride.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on June 14, 2009, 03:44:11 pm
I finished "Best Friends Forever", and loved it. I've begun Jacksharmonicaīs "Policy of Truth", and so far am really enjoying it. It's very well written and entirely believable, because I know guys who went through it for real.
"Policy of Truth" is one of my absolute favorites, Ian. Like you say, it so utterly belivable. I have lost count of how many times Iīve read it. Great to hear more people are their way to this story.




I had a lot of free time today, so I re-read B73īs story "Mason-Dixon".
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on June 15, 2009, 04:03:45 am
"Policy of Truth" is one of my absolute favorites, Ian. Like you say, it so utterly belivable. I have lost count of how many times Iīve read it. Great to hear more people are their way to this story.



I've never read this. Since it's still available, I'll give it a try. What genre is it?


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on June 15, 2009, 04:11:56 am
It's been looong ago that I recommended a fic, but today I have one:

The Power of Ten by Gilli_ann


It's a short story, five chapters plus epilogue, just finished today. Fresh off the press, so to speak :)
It's AU! and here is Gilli_ann's

"Brief synopsis:

Jack tells Ennis that he “had to ask about ten different people in Riverton where you was livin’.”  Who were those ten people, exactly, and could their meeting with Jack possibly have impacted them – and given them power to impact Ennis in their turn - so that fate eventually would hold a different outcome for Jack and Ennis? This fic looks at that possibility and Ennis’s related trials and tribulations in a sometime slightly tongue-in-cheek way."


Here are the links to all chapters:

1 http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/25485.html (http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/25485.html)
2 http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/26635.html (http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/26635.html)
3 http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/27131.html (http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/27131.html)
4  http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/27237.html (http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/27237.html)
5 http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/28271.html (http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/28271.html)
Epilogue http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/28640.html (http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/28640.html)


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Mikaela on June 15, 2009, 12:34:58 pm
Thank you, Chrissi.  :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on June 15, 2009, 01:04:52 pm

I've never read this. Since it's still available, I'll give it a try. What genre is it?



Is an AU!AU story
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on June 18, 2009, 06:20:42 pm
   " Looking Back"
       Sienata's newest story.  She is writing with the intent of a future publication.  It is moving along very slowly, but it
has much to tell, with many details.  Its written about the teen years.  Its Ennis in the future at some kind of turning point'
and he is keeping a journal.  Starts with them in hi school...  Very good.  But the chapters are shorter than her usual fare.
       She says she has no idea yet how long it will be.  So if you commit to it.  Be ready for a long long ride.

Cool. I enjoyed BFF tremendously, so I'll definitely check this one out.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs; Shades of Grey by Midwest-girl
Post by: retropian on June 18, 2009, 06:23:03 pm
I bumped the Shades of Grey thread too, but thought I'd post here as well.This story has been well received and reviewed, and I'd like to read it. I loved Midwest-girls other fic "If I Asked" and thought I'd give this a go. I never got around to it because I guess I was a little uptight about AU/AU. I've since read a few of those and liked them alot. Unfortunately her livejournal account is gone, so I was wondering and hoping someone here may have saved in in a pdf or something and could email it to me.

Thanks. Ian
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 05, 2009, 11:48:48 pm
Ohiomyown (Judy) recomended "Passion of Ennis del Mar" to me, so Iīve spend a couple of days reading through it. Thanks Judy, I enjoyed it.


I was wondering if anybody here is reading IL2Walkīs story "Tenderfoot". Iīm thinking about giving it a go, and it would interesting to hear someone elses opinion on it first.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on August 06, 2009, 01:36:31 pm
Ohiomyown (Judy) recomended "Passion of Ennis del Mar" to me, so Iīve spend a couple of days reading through it. Thanks Judy, I enjoyed it.


I was wondering if anybody here is reading IL2Walkīs story "Tenderfoot". Iīm thinking about giving it a go, and it would interesting to hear someone elses opinion on it first.

I don't think I've ever heard of "Passion of Ennis del Mar."  Is it an old fic?  I did recently read "Passion of a Saint." 

I'm reading "Tenderfoot" and I'm really enjoying it.  It's funny and light-hearted and has a kind of madcap quality to it that's very entertaining.  But there's depth to the characters as well, and it's interesting to watch them discover that there is more to each other than what meets the eye. 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 06, 2009, 06:46:24 pm
I don't think I've ever heard of "Passion of Ennis del Mar."  Is it an old fic?  I did recently read "Passion of a Saint." 

I'm reading "Tenderfoot" and I'm really enjoying it.  It's funny and light-hearted and has a kind of madcap quality to it that's very entertaining.  But there's depth to the characters as well, and it's interesting to watch them discover that there is more to each other than what meets the eye. 

Youīre right - I screwed up the title. "Passion of a Saint" was the fic I was refering to.


I started on Tenderfoot last night, and read it all. I agree, there is more to the characters than what meets the eye. I like it.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on August 06, 2009, 07:46:43 pm
Youīre right - I screwed up the title. "Passion of a Saint" was the fic I was refering to.

Ah, okay!  But, actually "Passion of Ennis del Mar" would've made a good title for it, too!  LOL.  I enjoyed that as well.  The author was very knowledgable about the subject matter and was able to bring a real authenticity to all the characters.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 10, 2009, 06:50:59 pm
Iīm rereading B73īs "Union Pacific". I think itīs my third or fourth time by now.
Iīm nearing the ending, and as always I can hardly stand to read anymore.
I love this fic, but itīs just so hard to read at times
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: bailey1205 on August 10, 2009, 07:00:42 pm
Youīre right - I screwed up the title. "Passion of a Saint" was the fic I was refering to.


I started on Tenderfoot last night, and read it all. I agree, there is more to the characters than what meets the eye. I like it.

I loved Passion of a Saint !!

I was sorry to see it end.

Loving Tenderfoot too.  I want another update NOW !!!!!!!

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on August 10, 2009, 08:43:48 pm
I loved Passion of a Saint !!

I was sorry to see it end.

Loving Tenderfoot too.  I want another update NOW !!!!!!!



Please send me a link to both stories when you get a chance.  I'm going thru BBM fanfic withdrawl, I haven't read anything in so long!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on August 10, 2009, 09:12:57 pm
Please send me a link to both stories when you get a chance.  I'm going thru BBM fanfic withdrawl, I haven't read anything in so long!

The Tenderfoot, Chapter 1:  http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/2407.html (http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/2407.html)

Passion of a Saint, Chapter 1:  http://bb4eva.livejournal.com/601.html#cutid1 (http://bb4eva.livejournal.com/601.html#cutid1)

I also highly recommend "A Month of Sundays."  Author's Summary: Jack Twist is a professional sign language interpreter who is unhappy in his job. Ennis Del Mar is a pastry chef who owns his own business and teaches classes at a culinary center. Can Ennis help Jack find the ingredient that is missing in his life? 

Chapter 1:  http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1 (http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1)

Enjoy!  :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: bailey1205 on August 10, 2009, 09:47:57 pm
Oh, I love A Month of Sundays too !!!!!

I wish it would update.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on August 10, 2009, 11:40:50 pm
The Tenderfoot, Chapter 1:  http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/2407.html (http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/2407.html)

Passion of a Saint, Chapter 1:  http://bb4eva.livejournal.com/601.html#cutid1 (http://bb4eva.livejournal.com/601.html#cutid1)

I also highly recommend "A Month of Sundays."  Author's Summary: Jack Twist is a professional sign language interpreter who is unhappy in his job. Ennis Del Mar is a pastry chef who owns his own business and teaches classes at a culinary center. Can Ennis help Jack find the ingredient that is missing in his life? 

Chapter 1:  http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1 (http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1)

Enjoy!  :)

MarieZ, you're so good to me!  Thanks so much for the links!  :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on August 11, 2009, 09:57:02 am
I just thought about recommending Tenderfoot here, LOL :laugh:.

Marie is absolutely right with her comment. I enjoy the lightheartedness of the story very much. Lovely and entertaining; no serious, dark or angst stuff for a change. :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 15, 2009, 03:34:31 pm
I need help with the name of a story

If I remember it right, Ennis believes that Jack is dead until one day when he sees a black&white picture of Jack with a horse.
He goes to find Jack, who at this point is living with someone else.


Ring any bells?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on August 15, 2009, 04:14:17 pm
I need help with the name of a story

If I remember it right, Ennis believes that Jack is dead until one day when he sees a black&white picture of Jack with a horse.
He goes to find Jack, who at this point is living with someone else.


Ring any bells?

Yes, bells are ringing, but not the title: Jack breeds Beagles, Jack's Ex (then-Ex) tries to stir trouble, Jack also thought Ennis is dead, I remember a scene with Ennis driving across a bridge. I didn't read the whole story.
I have the title on the tip of my tongue, but can't grasp it. Maybe it'll come to me over night. Or someone else knows it.
Do you think this is the story you have in mind?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on August 15, 2009, 04:23:37 pm

I need help with the name of a story

If I remember it right, Ennis believes that Jack is dead until one day when he sees a black&white picture of Jack with a horse.
He goes to find Jack, who at this point is living with someone else.


Ring any bells?

Yes, bells are ringing, but not the title: Jack breeds Beagles, Jack's Ex (then-Ex) tries to stir trouble, Jack also thought Ennis is dead, I remember a scene with Ennis driving across a bridge. I didn't read the whole story.
I have the title on the tip of my tongue, but can't grasp it. Maybe it'll come to me over night. Or someone else knows it.
Do you think this is the story you have in mind?

Is it "Once Was Lost."?  Oddly enough, I never got around to reading this story either - I may have read the first chapter, I'm not sure.  But I'm thinking I remember a synopsis that they each think the other is dead.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 15, 2009, 05:27:36 pm
"Once Was Lost."

Thatīs it! Great memory you have there, Mariez!


Thanks Chrissie and Mariez - good to know I can always come here for help :-*


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on August 16, 2009, 05:44:53 am
The Tenderfoot, Chapter 1:  http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/2407.html (http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/2407.html)

Passion of a Saint, Chapter 1:  http://bb4eva.livejournal.com/601.html#cutid1 (http://bb4eva.livejournal.com/601.html#cutid1)

I also highly recommend "A Month of Sundays."  Author's Summary: Jack Twist is a professional sign language interpreter who is unhappy in his job. Ennis Del Mar is a pastry chef who owns his own business and teaches classes at a culinary center. Can Ennis help Jack find the ingredient that is missing in his life? 

Chapter 1:  http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1 (http://mrs-spamlad.livejournal.com/1102.html#cutid1)

Enjoy!  :)

I just finished reading "Passion of a Saint" and loved it! The language was a little stilted, but the story had truth in it.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on August 16, 2009, 10:22:20 am
Is it "Once Was Lost."?  Oddly enough, I never got around to reading this story either - I may have read the first chapter, I'm not sure.  But I'm thinking I remember a synopsis that they each think the other is dead.

Yes, that was it! Good memory Marie :).

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on August 18, 2009, 03:51:09 pm
I thought I'd give a heads up that Chapters 14a, 14b and 15a of The Tenderfoot have been posted.  She originally forgot to post them to Brokebackslash so they may have been missed.  I know I didn't see them until today.

Chapter 14a:  http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/7558.html (http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/7558.html)
Chapter 14b:  http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/7891.html (http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/7891.html)
Chapter 15a:  http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/7992.html (http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/7992.html)

And a guessing game (you need to read the chapters first):

http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/8240.html (http://lv2walk.livejournal.com/8240.html)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 19, 2009, 03:32:49 am
Thanks for the update Mariez!




Iīve been re-reading "Portrait of a Farmer" - again. Itīs breathtaking. How can somebody actually write this good? Iīve read it I donīt know how many times now, and itīs flawless. Reading it always makes me wish I were a painter, cause then Iīd paint Ennis the way Jack sees him in this story

"Young man, ‘bout my age maybe, and tall; and as he approach, my blood begin to hum as I see he got the same still quiet in his face as the other three, but with somethin’ within it that speak to me of the quintessential American icon: cowboy limberness and sinew; his face, shaded ‘neath his cowboy hat, tough as leather, but sad, somehow; and a strange wistfulness in his dark eyes that now look into my own and which make me want to get down on my knees in gratitude.

Him. This one. He is the very essence of the thing that I seek, the dead dreams of this country, the beauty of the land that has withered in the face of promises unkept."
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 21, 2009, 09:11:17 pm
I just thought about recommending Tenderfoot here, LOL :laugh:.

Marie is absolutely right with her comment. I enjoy the lightheartedness of the story very much. Lovely and entertaining; no serious, dark or angst stuff for a change. :)

Thanks for these recs about Tenderfoot.  I've been watching the postings of that story come in and have been wondering about it.  With this encouragement, I'll definitely give it a look.

I'm stopping by tonight to ask folks about Wave on Wave.  I'd really like to hear some discussions/ recommendations about this one. I read the first several chapters when she first started posting the story.  And, I was impressed by the quality of the writing, but I grew frustrated with the pace and some of the angst, so I stopped reading it a long time ago.  I'm wondering if I should give it another shot.  Words of wisdom would be much appreciated.
:)

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on August 21, 2009, 09:47:37 pm
Thanks for these recs about Tenderfoot.  I've been watching the postings of that story come in and have been wondering about it.  With this encouragement, I'll definitely give it a look.

I'm stopping by tonight to ask folks about Wave on Wave.  I'd really like to hear some discussions/ recommendations about this one. I read the first several chapters when she first started posting the story.  And, I was impressed by the quality of the writing, but I grew frustrated with the pace and some of the angst, so I stopped reading it a long time ago.  I'm wondering if I should give it another shot.  Words of wisdom would be much appreciated.
:)

Hey Amanda!  I just read the latest update of "Wave on Wave" tonight.  Not to give too much away, but the pace picks up nicely and the angst is not prolonged.  In fact, I'd say it's probably one of the least angsty fics I've read in a while - at this point anyway - I know there's always ups and downs with these things, but I like that the issues that arise come from outside their relationship.  It's not a story where Jack and Ennis themselves are always at odds with each other, which is enjoyable.  And the writer has a very pleasant way of giving nice homey details that draw me in. 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 21, 2009, 09:57:13 pm
Hey Amanda!  I just read the latest update of "Wave on Wave" tonight.  Not to give too much away, but the pace picks up nicely and the angst is not prolonged.  In fact, I'd say it's probably one of the least angsty fics I've read in a while - at this point anyway - I know there's always ups and downs with these things, but I like that the issues that arise come from outside their relationship.  It's not a story where Jack and Ennis themselves are always at odds with each other, which is enjoyable.  And the writer has a very pleasant way of giving nice homey details that draw me in. 

Thanks Marie!  That's very helpful. :)


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on August 21, 2009, 11:02:20 pm
Thanks for the update Mariez!




Iīve been re-reading "Portrait of a Farmer" - again. Itīs breathtaking. How can somebody actually write this good? Iīve read it I donīt know how many times now, and itīs flawless. Reading it always makes me wish I were a painter, cause then Iīd paint Ennis the way Jack sees him in this story

"Young man, ‘bout my age maybe, and tall; and as he approach, my blood begin to hum as I see he got the same still quiet in his face as the other three, but with somethin’ within it that speak to me of the quintessential American icon: cowboy limberness and sinew; his face, shaded ‘neath his cowboy hat, tough as leather, but sad, somehow; and a strange wistfulness in his dark eyes that now look into my own and which make me want to get down on my knees in gratitude.

Him. This one. He is the very essence of the thing that I seek, the dead dreams of this country, the beauty of the land that has withered in the face of promises unkept."


Are there links to "Portait of a Farmer"?
Thanks for these recs about Tenderfoot.  I've been watching the postings of that story come in and have been wondering about it.  With this encouragement, I'll definitely give it a look.

I'm stopping by tonight to ask folks about Wave on Wave.  I'd really like to hear some discussions/ recommendations about this one. I read the first several chapters when she first started posting the story.  And, I was impressed by the quality of the writing, but I grew frustrated with the pace and some of the angst, so I stopped reading it a long time ago.  I'm wondering if I should give it another shot.  Words of wisdom would be much appreciated.
:)



Is there a link to "Wave on Wave" too? I'm intrigued.

Thanks. Ian
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 21, 2009, 11:33:13 pm

Is there a link to "Wave on Wave" too? I'm intrigued.

Thanks. Ian

Here's a link to Wave on Wave's first chapter: http://the-boys-n-me.livejournal.com/652.html#cutid1 (http://the-boys-n-me.livejournal.com/652.html#cutid1)

Chapter 31 was posted today, so there's already a lot to read for this story.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 22, 2009, 05:06:28 pm
Another great story has an update today (in addition to Tainted Evidence).  Chapter 18 of the Bus Stop was recently posted:
http://bcatjr.livejournal.com/24792.html (http://bcatjr.livejournal.com/24792.html)

Is there a thread for the Bus Stop?  It's one of my favorite stories in progress at the moment.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 26, 2009, 07:47:47 am
FINALLY!!


Another chapter of Propinquity by Lolitaray. (Chapter 12)

http://lolitaray.livejournal.com/76928.html?view=3245696#t3245696



In this story Ennis and Jack are halfbrothers (by blood), so things are...complicated. One of my favorites.




By the same author I also wanna mention "The Moments Between" (finished).  Itīs canon and amazingly interesting and well-written. If Iīd have to chose, Iīd chose Propinquity because itīs edgier, but TMB in a must-read in my opinon.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on August 26, 2009, 10:24:35 am
Here's a link to Wave on Wave's first chapter: http://the-boys-n-me.livejournal.com/652.html#cutid1 (http://the-boys-n-me.livejournal.com/652.html#cutid1)

Chapter 31 was posted today, so there's already a lot to read for this story.



Thanks. This is next on my list.

I finished "Portrait of a Farmer" and "Passion of a Saint". Enjoyed them both.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 28, 2009, 08:00:25 am
I spent the night re-reading "Four-Two Offence" by Annabirmingham.

Summary - AU/AU Jack and Ennis are on the 1st volleyball team at high school. Jack is a junior and Ennis a senior. Jack has recently moved to the area and Ennis doesn't seem to like him very much...


If anyone hasnīt read it yet, hereīs a link to the first chapter

http://annabirmingham.livejournal.com/1615.html#cutid1
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on September 10, 2009, 12:41:39 am
Thanks for all these recommendations in this thread.  I'm on the verge of looking for something new to read again.  I'm almost done re-reading 48 Days and Book of Dreams.  It's been fun.  I've been on a re-reading kick a lot lately.  Recently I've re-read Human Interest and as much of TCJ as exists to-date.

I feel like things are so, so slow in BBM fan fic right now.  I hope thinks pick up again soon.  I'm dying for updates to things like The Bus Stop, None So Blind, and of course TCJ (just to name a few).   I've been wondering where Sienata is these days too.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: loreen on September 21, 2009, 10:35:13 am
Hi!  :)

I'd like to ask the mods or admins, if it's possible to change the title of my story thread from" My SNIT" to "Returning to Brokeback".

Thanks! :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: loreen on September 27, 2009, 05:02:49 am
Anyone?  ::)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on September 27, 2009, 05:28:55 am
Iīve read In Plain Sight by Victopet - again.
After every time Iīve read it, I feel like Iīm in love. I walk around on pink, fluffy clouds :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on September 27, 2009, 09:31:03 am
Iīm looking for the Alchemy series (or at least I think that is the correct title). If anyone has it, Iīd appreciate it if you could send me a copy :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: retropian on September 27, 2009, 06:49:16 pm
Iīve read In Plain Sight by Victopet - again.
After every time Iīve read it, I feel like Iīm in love. I walk around on pink, fluffy clouds :)

I love it too. I hope there is an update soon. I just love love love Amish-Ennis! The scene where he lays on top of Jack in a plowed field (symbolism? ;)) and asks "Why do you bewitch me so?"...chills.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 14, 2009, 06:21:42 am
I love it too. I hope there is an update soon. I just love love love Amish-Ennis! The scene where he lays on top of Jack in a plowed field (symbolism? ;)) and asks "Why do you bewitch me so?"...chills.
Yeah, I love that scene too. And the scene with Jack teaching Ennis baseball in the barn...


I have possibly detected a pattern though. Shortly after the characters in her other WIP story - Brokeback Redemption - finally got it together, she stopped writing on it. Seems to be the same thing happening here. Maybe she just looses momentum once they actually have had sex. Letīs hope itīs not the case becasue Amish Ennis is addictive!


btw. nice to see the story "365 days" updated again (donīt remember the authorīs name).


and oh, Iīm still wanting the "Alchemy series" if anyone has it.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on October 14, 2009, 01:37:10 pm
Yeah, I love that scene too. And the scene with Jack teaching Ennis baseball in the barn...


I have possibly detected a pattern though. Shortly after the characters in her other WIP story - Brokeback Redemption - finally got it together, she stopped writing on it. Seems to be the same thing happening here. Maybe she just looses momentum once they actually have had sex. Letīs hope itīs not the case becasue Amish Ennis is addictive!


btw. nice to see the story "365 days" updated again (donīt remember the authorīs name).


and oh, Iīm still wanting the "Alchemy series" if anyone has it.

It's not looking good for IPS finishing is it?   :-\  But, then again, never say never, I suppose.

365 Days is a good example.  It just updated again after 11 months!  It's a brilliant story - genuinely funny, excellent characterizations, and very natural dialogue.  It's written by the writing team of fiftyandfifty (comprised of Cathalin and Melisande, I believe).
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: belbbmfan on October 14, 2009, 02:17:18 pm
It's not looking good for IPS finishing is it?   :-\  But, then again, never say never, I suppose.

365 Days is a good example.  It just updated again after 11 months!  It's a brilliant story - genuinely funny, excellent characterizations, and very natural dialogue.  It's written by the writing team of fiftyandfifty (comprised of Cathalin and Melisande, I believe).

I hadn't heard of 365 days before. But it seems to be a story that is liked by a lot of people. I'll certainly give it a try.

Thanks for the recommendation.  :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on October 14, 2009, 02:52:16 pm
Did 365 days update?? ??  :o

OMG!!

I've almost forgotten what it's about, but I remember that I did enjoy it.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on October 14, 2009, 03:06:08 pm
I hadn't heard of 365 days before. But it seems to a story that liked by a lot of people. I'll certainly give it a try.

Thanks for the recommendation.  :)

Oh, do check it out, Fabienne!  Here are the links:

Part 1: http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/3903.html#cutid1 (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/3903.html#cutid1)
Part 2: http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/4487.html (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/4487.html)
Part 3(1): http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5243.html (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5243.html)
Part 3(2):http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5549.html (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5549.html)

Each part is quite long - probably the equivalent of several chapters in many fics. 


Did 365 days update?? ??  :o

OMG!!

I've almost forgotten what it's about, but I remember that I did enjoy it.

  :) Well, that's understandable since the last update was almost a year ago!  But it's so good that re-reading the first two parts is very enjoyable! 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on November 13, 2009, 04:48:25 pm
Hereīs a masterlist of fics by Maggie (B73) that I do have. If someone has something by her that's not on this list (  :-*), or would like something from it, let me know.
None of these are longer available online

Mason Dixon
Del Mar Painting
Union Pacific (all three parts)
Portrait of a Farmer
Lake Geneva
Route 287
Confessions
Robinville
Rusted Pipe
Other Side of Nowhere


One fic that I used to have but no longer have (not one of Maggieīs though) is "The Wolf and the Thunderbird". Would appreciate it if someone could send me a copy!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on November 13, 2009, 05:03:34 pm
Who wrote it?


(my harddrive is organized according to names  ;D)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on November 13, 2009, 05:21:51 pm
Who wrote it?


(my harddrive is organized according to names  ;D)
Itīs already on my hard drive! :)
 :-*
(itīs by Debutante 9)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on November 13, 2009, 05:24:08 pm
Wow, that was quick!!!  :o ;D

Slashers are the best!!   ;) ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on November 13, 2009, 05:35:02 pm
Wow, that was quick!!!  :o ;D


You bet! Good thing itīs not 1963! ;)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on November 13, 2009, 05:38:44 pm
You bet! Good thing itīs not 1963! ;)


Then the dumb ass mules would've scattered it everywhere....   ;) ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on November 14, 2009, 05:26:45 am
Oh, do check it out, Fabienne!  Here are the links:

Part 1: http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/3903.html#cutid1 (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/3903.html#cutid1)
Part 2: http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/4487.html (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/4487.html)
Part 3(1): http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5243.html (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5243.html)
Part 3(2):http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5549.html (http://fiftyandfifty.livejournal.com/5549.html)

Each part is quite long - probably the equivalent of several chapters in many fics. 


  :) Well, that's understandable since the last update was almost a year ago!  But it's so good that re-reading the first two parts is very enjoyable! 


Thanks people, for talking about 365 days! :D
I may have heard the title before, but never gave it a second thought. After reading here I checked it out. Even though it was going on midnight, I read the complete first part yesterday. Looking forward to the next parts. Cute idea for a story :).
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on November 14, 2009, 07:56:54 am
I wonder if anybody with a better memory than mine can help me?

Not so long ago in one of these threads, someone posted links, in the correct order, to all Royandronnies stories.

I meant to save them, but now I can't find them.... :-\

Anyone here remember what thread it was?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on November 17, 2009, 12:15:16 am
sorry Sonja, I donīt remember


I just thought Iīd share my top 15 stories.
On my desktop I have a folder containing 15 stories, all of which Iīve read  several times - some of them what feels like countless times.


Brokeback Redemption by Victopet
Policy of Truth by Jacksharmonica
Lake Geneva by B73
The Wolf and the Thunderbird by Debutante 9
Union Pacific by B73
Somebody New by Jenna
The Portrait of a Farmer by B73
Shades of Grey by Midwest girl
Zero At the Bone by Madlori
In Plain Sight by Victopet
Propinquity by Lolitaray
The Moments Between by Lolitaray
Mason Dixon by B73
If I Asked by Amy
Ride With the Wind by BJCTR


and simply because I have too much time on my hands at the moment, I just created a top 5 list. This was hard!

Policy of Truth
Brokeback Redemption
Portrait of a Farmer
The Wolf and the Thunderbird
Zero at the Bone
Shades of Grey


(ok, I know itīs six stories, but I just couldnīt narrow it down to five :P)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: miniangel on November 17, 2009, 08:09:53 am
I wonder if anybody with a better memory than mine can help me?

Not so long ago in one of these threads, someone posted links, in the correct order, to all Royandronnies stories.

I meant to save them, but now I can't find them.... :-\

Anyone here remember what thread it was?

Hello again, Sason.

Was this what you meant? Oddly enough, I just this minute read it.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,22705.msg407663.html#msg407663
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on January 05, 2010, 04:07:46 pm
Is anyone else reading "A Way With Words" by soulan?  I highly recommend it.  It appears to have a small readership, which seems a shame to me since I think the writing is top-notch.  The structure of the story is unique, which may be intimidating to some people, but I don't find it confusing at all.  The author's journal is friends-locked (just to keep her kids out, as she explains), but here is the link where you can comment to be friended.  She also gives a more detailed description and explanation of the story and provides the links:

http://soulan.livejournal.com/ (http://soulan.livejournal.com/)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 05, 2010, 09:19:57 pm
Is anyone else reading "A Way With Words" by soulan?  I highly recommend it.  It appears to have a small readership, which seems a shame to me since I think the writing is top-notch.  The structure of the story is unique, which may be intimidating to some people, but I don't find it confusing at all.  The author's journal is friends-locked (just to keep her kids out, as she explains), but here is the link where you can comment to be friended.  She also gives a more detailed description and explanation of the story and provides the links:

http://soulan.livejournal.com/ (http://soulan.livejournal.com/)


Thanks for the recommendation, Marie!  I'll check it out!  :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on January 06, 2010, 04:38:39 am
Hello again, Sason.

Was this what you meant? Oddly enough, I just this minute read it.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,22705.msg407663.html#msg407663

Yep, that's what I meant! Thanks a lot, although somewhat belated....  :-\

Strangely enough, this didn't show on my "new replies to your posts"-list until now.

And, even more strangely, I thought about it just the other day, that I never found out about those fics.....

And now BM suddenly shows me that I had the reply waiting for me all this time!!

Thanks again, Miniangel!!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on January 06, 2010, 04:52:43 am
Is anyone else reading "A Way With Words" by soulan?  I highly recommend it.  It appears to have a small readership, which seems a shame to me since I think the writing is top-notch.  The structure of the story is unique, which may be intimidating to some people, but I don't find it confusing at all.  The author's journal is friends-locked (just to keep her kids out, as she explains), but here is the link where you can comment to be friended.  She also gives a more detailed description and explanation of the story and provides the links:

http://soulan.livejournal.com/ (http://soulan.livejournal.com/)


Thanks for the recommendation Marie!

I haven't read AWWW, but the rest of Kim's writing is superb and outstanding, so I'm not surprised you like this one.

I esp like her "Enough Time", but they are all awesome!!
Chapte one is here: http://soulan.livejournal.com/10820.html

She always finds yet another way to give her stories a unique sturcture!
It amazes me every time!

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 07, 2010, 01:15:59 am
Yes, thanks for the rec, Marie. Me love recs O0
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on February 22, 2010, 02:07:02 pm
Itīs stupid because I know I have asked before. But again Iīve misplaced the name

Whatīs the name of the story where Jack, married and living in Texas, by chance picks up Brokeback Mountain, and later travels to Wyoming to find out if Ennis really exists.


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: souxi on February 22, 2010, 02:12:24 pm
Itīs stupid because I know I have asked before. But again Iīve misplaced the name

Whatīs the name of the story where Jack, married and living in Texas, by chance picks up Brokeback Mountain, and later travels to Wyoming to find out if Ennis really exists.




That would be "Lead me to your Door" by the brilliant marakeshsparrow. An absolutly fantastic story that I have read many times. It starts here.  http://marakeshsparrow.livejournal.com/13595.html#cutid1
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on February 22, 2010, 02:15:15 pm
That would be "Lead me to your Door" by the brilliant marakeshsparrow. An absolutly fantastic story that I have read many times. It starts here.  http://marakeshsparrow.livejournal.com/13595.html#cutid1
   

thatīs it, Souxi. Yay! Without my fellow Brokies Iīd be completely lost :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on February 22, 2010, 05:05:26 pm
   

thatīs it, Souxi. Yay! Without my fellow Brokies Iīd be completely lost :-*

Without our fellow Brokies we'd all be completely lost...
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on February 23, 2010, 04:30:16 pm
Without our fellow Brokies we'd all be completely lost...


No truer words were spoken ....
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on February 23, 2010, 05:23:51 pm

No truer words were spoken ....


 :-*

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 14, 2010, 04:57:41 am
Why, why, why do I do this to myself?

I started reading an unfinished fan fic with only five chapters with no chance of new updates. But Ijust couldn't help myself. And I loved it! It had Jack as a pirate captain and Ennis as a Chatolic Priest. The two of them meet when Jack and his band of pirates attack the ship Ennis is sailing with and takes the passengers hostage. And already from the beginning sparks fly. Now I just can't get the story out of my head and it's really annoying to know I'll never be able to read more! Arghhh!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on March 14, 2010, 11:03:39 am
Why not finish it yourself, Monika?


....just thinkin out loud.....
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on March 16, 2010, 03:00:41 am
Why not finish it yourself, Monika?


....just thinkin out loud.....

*lol*
Well, youīll just have to help me with the plot the next time we meet then ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on March 16, 2010, 01:01:03 pm
*lol*
Well, youīll just have to help me with the plot the next time we meet then ;D

Deal!!   ;)  8)


(hope it won't be too long, btw)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Mikaela on March 17, 2010, 12:10:12 pm
I don't know which fic this is at all, but I really think you should finish it, too. The whole premise seems so over the top swaschbuckling and dramatic and set for larger-than-life emotions. Potentionally very campy, potentionally pulling it off and making it work.

So yes... you write it, I'll read it!  :D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: layla on May 11, 2010, 11:26:28 am
Hi I'm new to this forum and relatively new to reading BBM fanfiction. I have only read Human Interest and was hoping to read the other classics that you guys have mentioned in the discussion threads. Unfortunately, most of them are no longer available online.

Can any of you please email me some of the favorites, such as those by B73, midwest girl, jenna, as well as Policy of Truth and The Wolf and the Thunderbird?

I feel like I'm missing out a great deal without having read them! Thank you so much in advance for any help!

My email address: [email protected]
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 11, 2010, 06:06:25 pm
Hi I'm new to this forum and relatively new to reading BBM fanfiction. I have only read Human Interest and was hoping to read the other classics that you guys have mentioned in the discussion threads. Unfortunately, most of them are no longer available online.

Can any of you please email me some of the favorites, such as those by B73, midwest girl, jenna, as well as Policy of Truth and The Wolf and the Thunderbird?

I feel like I'm missing out a great deal without having read them! Thank you so much in advance for any help!

My email address: [email protected]
Iīll send you some of my favs. Enjoy!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 11, 2010, 06:22:34 pm
Itīs been a while since Iīve had time to really dive into a fan fic, but lately Iīve had more time available so Iīve re-read many of the classics. Yesterday I read The Cabin and today I re-read Lake Geneva. Everytime I read a fan fiction I really like, I fall even more in love with Jack and Ennis.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 13, 2010, 03:51:06 pm
Does anyone remember the title of this story?
Itīs about Ennis and Jack at a summercamp for kids. They are both instructors - Jack a swimming instructor and Ennis a riding instructor. They end up sharing the same bunkhouse. I think there is something about Ennis making a wooden spoon for Jack in it.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 21, 2010, 05:28:24 pm
Iīm about to start on a story called "Snowbound" by Cowboygal2010. 10 chapters written so far. Letīs hope itīs a good one.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on May 21, 2010, 07:10:15 pm
Does anyone remember the title of this story?
Itīs about Ennis and Jack at a summercamp for kids. They are both instructors - Jack a swimming instructor and Ennis a riding instructor. They end up sharing the same bunkhouse. I think there is something about Ennis making a wooden spoon for Jack in it.

Hm..... I haven't read it, but I vaguely recognize the plot. Isn't it one of Sienna's?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: mariez on May 27, 2010, 11:23:06 am
Does anyone remember the title of this story?
Itīs about Ennis and Jack at a summercamp for kids. They are both instructors - Jack a swimming instructor and Ennis a riding instructor. They end up sharing the same bunkhouse. I think there is something about Ennis making a wooden spoon for Jack in it.

Could that be "Middle of Nowhere"? Sorry, I don't have time to double-check, but that sounds like it could be it. Hope I got the name right! It's not a Sienna story. poppyhoney, I think, or something like that.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 27, 2010, 02:31:47 pm
thanks Sonja and Marie - Iīll check both authors and let you know
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 27, 2010, 08:06:29 pm
I was thinking that your description sounds a lot like Middle of Nowhere by poppyhoney.  If you've not read it, I recommend it.... It's good!

The one difference that I recall is that in Middle of Nowhere, Ennis is a woodworking instructor (if I'm remembering it correctly).  But, yes Jack is a swimming instructor and they're camp instructors in the same bunkhouse.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 28, 2010, 03:32:46 pm
Yes, it was Middle of Nowhere by Poppyhoney. Thanks everyone!

It is a great fic. I have read a couple of times before but still I forgot the title of the damn thing :)
This time Iīll save to my hd O0. 


And youīre right, Amanda - Ennis is  mainly a woodworking instructor.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 31, 2010, 08:36:12 pm
Has anyone heard any news about the story The Bus Stop?  I was really enjoying that one, but there hasn't been an update for a long time. 

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on June 02, 2010, 11:28:46 am
sorry amanda, but I havenīt heard anything about Bus stop.


Do you guys also get a craving for a certain fan fic at times?
Ever since I woke up this morning Iīve had a longing to re-read Zero at the Bone. Canīt wait until tonight!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on June 02, 2010, 11:30:46 am
Yeah, I love Zero too!  I've read the book version and the fanfic version twice each.  Oooooooooooo, how I wish she'd finish Two Crows Joy too.



Do you guys also get a craving for a certain fan fic at times?
Ever since I woke up this morning Iīve had a longing to re-read Zero at the Bone. Canīt wait until tonight!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on June 02, 2010, 11:38:58 am
Yeah, I love Zero too!  I've read the book version and the fanfic version twice each.  Oooooooooooo, how I wish she'd finish Two Crows Joy too.



how was it to read the book version with the changed names? Just as good or weird?

Yeah, itīs a fantastic fanfic. Fantastic.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on June 02, 2010, 11:44:35 am
how was it to read the book version with the changed names? Just as good or weird?

Yeah, itīs a fantastic fanfic. Fantastic.

The book is really good!  It feels a little more polished, understandably.  I recommend buying it.  You can order it off of Amazon.  I also bought the book form of Shades of Gray.  It's kind of interesting how the tone of Shades and Zero is kind of the same (the thriller vibe, the crime element, the need to hide out and protect one another, etc.).  But, having read and compared the two books, I have to say I much prefer Zero.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on June 02, 2010, 11:54:43 am
The book is really good!  It feels a little more polished, understandably.  I recommend buying it.  You can order it off of Amazon.  I also bought the book form of Shades of Gray.  It's kind of interesting how the tone of Shades and Zero is kind of the same (the thriller vibe, the crime element, the need to hide out and protect one another, etc.).  But, having read and compared the two boks, I have to say I much prefer Zero.


that's interesting, thanks. I've meant to buy both books for quite some time now, but just haven't gotten around to it.
Yes, those two stories are very much alike. I really can't say which one I prefer. I think I've read Shades of Gray more times than Zero at the Bones, mostly because it involves fewer secondary characters and the less action that doesn't directly involve Jack or Ennis. I have always thought of Shades as a sort of condensed version of Zero. I love them both.

Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on June 02, 2010, 04:45:21 pm
Yeah, I love Zero too!  I've read the book version and the fanfic version twice each.  Oooooooooooo, how I wish she'd finish Two Crows Joy too.


I hear you!!

HI/TCJ saved my sanity, really. I don't need it the way I did any more, but I would really like to see it finished.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on June 03, 2010, 12:29:59 pm
woho...Zero reread. Fan fiction is not good for my sleeping habits
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Brown Eyes on June 08, 2010, 06:37:13 pm
sorry amanda, but I havenīt heard anything about Bus stop.


Heya!  Well, I'm excited!  A new chapter of the Bus Stop was just posted today!  I really like this story.
 :D

http://bcatjr.livejournal.com/30581.html (http://bcatjr.livejournal.com/30581.html)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on July 13, 2010, 10:26:36 pm
I really recommend that you guys read One Little Thing by Sandscrit. Itīs completed and she is posting new chapters of it continually.
So far, four chapters are up.
Itīs very well-written and has the boys meet when Ennis is 14 and Jack 12. Itīs a AU story.

You can find it here on her livejournal

http://sandscrit.livejournal.com/
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on August 06, 2010, 03:07:16 am
Hi yaīll
Just made the mistake of reading the last chapter of Catch the Westbound (the last part of the Union Pacific series). I usually donīt read the last part but today I did and oh man...

Iīve been rereading old fics a lot lately, both the entire Union Pacific series as well as Zero at the Bones. I often find myself rereading old fics rather than start on new ones. The only new fic that Iīm reading every update of is the fic that I recomended in the post above. Itīs really, really good.

Well, now maybe I should get started on Portrait of a Farmer. Iīm kinda in the mood for it I think.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on August 06, 2010, 04:33:47 am
Catch the Westbound....

Don't think I could bear reading it atm.

Too timely.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on September 21, 2010, 05:48:16 pm
Mostly I just felt like bumping this thread  :)


Iīm slightly addicted to Sandcritīs story "One Little Thing" and Iīve just read chapter 24 that was posted today.
Itīs refreshing and new and well-written to boot. Reminds me slightly of Maggieīs stuff. Sandcritīs style is very economical and intense, my favorite combination.

I have gotten my hands on a bunch of old stories that I havenīt read in a while. Have started on "Tainted Evidence" . A story that is real funny and sexy but that I also find it hard to keep up with at times due to the very internal dialogue oriented writing style.

Viva la fan fiction!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on September 21, 2010, 06:25:47 pm
LOL Monika!

I don't read as much slash/fan fiction as I used to, by a long shot.

I don't need it the same way any more. I think it was basically a part of my healing process.

Served it's purpose well, as such.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on September 21, 2010, 06:32:44 pm
I can understand that Sonja, and Iīm glad it served its purpose :-*


I donīt read as much as I used to either, mostly I think because itīs hard to find stories I havenīt already read. But I have my days when I still read a lot.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 06, 2010, 02:34:24 am
Over the weekend I read "Conjugating Jake"- a classic in the rp genre. Itīs not completed since the author lost inspiration after Heathīs death, but fortunately the ending of the last chapter she wrote actually works pretty well as a real ending.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 14, 2010, 01:38:09 pm
Iīm currently reading White Picket Fence and Apple Trees. Itīs one of those stories where Jack and Ennis run a ranch together, much like Human Insterest, and itīs very good. Not Zero at the Bone or Lake Geneva good, but good :D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on October 14, 2010, 03:49:02 pm
Monika, who wrote it?

Maybe I should give it a try, if I ever get some time to read again.....   :-\
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 15, 2010, 12:34:21 am
Monika, who wrote it?

Maybe I should give it a try, if I ever get some time to read again.....   :-\
Iīll sent you a copy. Itīs written by midget_size. I think you would like it
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on October 15, 2010, 02:09:53 pm
Iīll sent you a copy. Itīs written by midget_size. I think you would like it

Oh yes, please do!

Thanks!


We can discuss it in a months time, as a distraction for you during you-know-what.  :laugh: :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 15, 2010, 02:12:00 pm

We can discuss it in a months time, as a distraction for you during you-know-what.  :laugh: :-*
lol! that would be something!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on October 15, 2010, 02:15:08 pm
lol! that would be something!

I'm sure you would be suitably distracted, though!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 16, 2010, 12:47:03 pm
I'm sure you would be suitably distracted, though!  ;) ;D
there isnīt a doubt in my mind!


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on October 19, 2010, 04:33:11 pm
Iīll sent you a copy. Itīs written by midget_size. I think you would like it

*patiently waits for her copy*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 21, 2010, 11:23:57 am
*patiently waits for her copy*

ooops
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 22, 2010, 12:15:02 pm
I had an interesting conversation today with a friend about fan fiction. Something Iīve noticed since I started reading, is that the way I think of men has changed some. Or to be more specific, the words I think to describe them. I used to think of men being gorgeous, handsome, good-looking and hot. Now, I often find myself thinking "beautiful". I didnīt use to of men as "beautiful" before. My theory is that often in fan fiction (which is mostly written by women, in any case in the fandoms Iīve been involved in - Buffy and BBM) the men are the objects and the ones being looked at. Traditionally in literature, itīs the other way around; women who are looked at, women are the ones being objectified.
This might be one of the reasons why there seems to be many more women than men involved in fan fiction; it offers a different perspective and does not objectify women. This is of course not a new theory per se, it can be found in various analysis of fan fiction, but I hadnīt put in connection with my changed view of men before. I like it. Itīs refreshing.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 29, 2010, 06:48:20 am
Iīm reading the first part of The del Mar Painting and oh my god, I swear it takes my breath away every time.
If Maggie isnīt a professional writer then I donīt who should be. She covers difficult topics and has a writing style entirely her own. When I read hear stories it is always with a sense of pleasure as well with a sense of loss and grief. For me she captures the essense of Brokeback perfectly.

There are some passages in The del Mar Paining that I find almost unbearable to read - these are chapters that deal our two main characters (modern day versions of Ennis and Jack living in California) traveling to Wyoming to meet Ennisīs uncle who is "our" Ennis, that is canon Ennis. It has been twenty years since Jackīs death and the 60 something old Ennis is exactly like we left him in the short storie - only greyer, older and dustier. This is modern day Ennis and Jackīs first meeting with canon-Ennis (Uncle) told from Jackīs perspective:

"I take a good look at mysterious uncle, and somethin’ ‘bout him scare the livin’ shit outta me–damn Ennis was right, I think.
Old. So old damn. And wore out like a bald tire: hair all thin, face all line like he been to hell and back ‘gain, lines fulla ash like from his trip to the devil. Jesus H. But he ain’t no Homer Simpson, no way–tall and skinny, and somethin’ bout him like haunted, just like Ennis say. ‘Cept he more like a ghost than haunted by one.
Uncle don’t say nothin’ for a second; then I hear his voice say, worn from a thousand years and ten thousand cigarettes, “Mm, hi.”
Ennis kick me under the table, and I stand up.
“Now this here’s Jack,” Ennis say to the man. “Friend a mine.”
“Howdy Sir,” I smile at him. “Good to meetcha at last; heard so much ‘bout you.”
He turn to me then, squint at me like I don’t know what; but when he look inta my eyes and I look inta his oh shit eyes just like Ennis’s just like–uncle face turn white, and his mouth fall open while his eyes as they stare inta mine darken inta a black so black feel like death.
“Uh,” he say, kinda swayin’ a little; then he grab hold of a chair, set down heavily inta it like he gonna faint or somethin’, his eyes on me the whole time like pleadin’ with me to–what?
“You all right Daddy?” Junior say, puttin’ a hand on his shoulder; she look up to me then, expression on her face like she know after all what wrong with him.
“Mm,” is the reply.
Ennis try to make conversation with the uncle ‘bout Ennis’s daddy KE and such, but uncle talk even less than my Ennis do."
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on October 29, 2010, 05:55:12 pm
Yeah, that paragraph is very telling and moving.

I wish she'd elaborated a little more about her main characters and 'our' Ennis.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on October 30, 2010, 01:11:59 am
Yeah, that paragraph is very telling and moving.

I wish she'd elaborated a little more about her main characters and 'our' Ennis.
when we get to see "our" Ennis for the last time in this story, I always cry. Damn.
I wish I was somehow able to let Maggie know much I love her stories. Donīt know how many times Iīve reread Lake Geneva or Portrait of a Farmer. To write like she does is not an easy feat.



btw. Iīve finally gotten around to send you the story I promised! 8)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on October 30, 2010, 08:18:04 am
i noticed. thanks!   :-*
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 19, 2011, 03:10:35 pm
Iīve been reading quite a lot lately. I just finished a story I hadnīt read before; Nobodyīs Angel by Maiden o fthe sea. Kinda of a "Brokeback" meets "Rebel Without a Cause" meets "Outsiders" meets "Romeo and Juliet" story with Ennis as a "greaser" and Jack as a "sock" set in the 1950īs.
It was really good and Iīve done much else besides working and reading for the past few days.

Am about to start on another story by Maiden of the sea now called "Able Fires". Letīs hope itīs equally good!
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on January 19, 2011, 03:49:11 pm
Iīve been reading quite a lot lately. I just finished a story I hadnīt read before; Nobodyīs Angel by Maiden o fthe sea. Kinda of a "Brokeback" meets "Rebel Without a Cause" meets "Outsiders" meets "Romeo and Juliet" story with Ennis as a "greaser" and Jack as a "sock" set in the 1950īs.
It was really good and Iīve done much else besides working and reading for the past few days.

Am about to start on another story by Maiden of the sea now called "Able Fires". Letīs hope itīs equally good!

I really liked Nobody's Angel. Read it way back, and I didn't like AU/AU much, it seemed almost a sacrilege. I only started it because god and his brother raved about it and wanted to give it a try at least. I was hooked soon enough. Nice story. :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 19, 2011, 04:24:21 pm
I really liked Nobody's Angel. Read it way back, and I didn't like AU/AU much, it seemed almost a sacrilege. I only started it because god and his brother raved about it and wanted to give it a try at least. I was hooked soon enough. Nice story. :)


god and his brother??  :o
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on January 19, 2011, 04:31:09 pm
Wow Monika!!

I haven't seen your new sig line before. I love it!!!

It evokes very fond memories!

(and I gotta say, it must've been a real master photographer who took that picture!!  ;D)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on January 19, 2011, 04:39:58 pm
god and his brother??  :o


Ha ha ha. I mixed up English and German expressions. In English it's all the world and his brother - in German it's "Gott und die Welt" which would literally be god and all the world. So I took the god part from German and the brother part from English! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Good catch!


Also love your sig line (of course!)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 19, 2011, 04:41:06 pm
Wow Monika!!

I haven't seen your new sig line before. I love it!!!

It evokes very fond memories!

(and I gotta say, it must've been a real master photographer who took that picture!!  ;D)
I just uploaded about fifteen minutes ago, so I forgive you  ;D

Yes, that was a real good weekend, wasnīt it? I visited Stockholm about two weeks ago and missed your company as I strolled through Gamla Stan :-*

Master photographer indeed. Was some hot shot photographer who had traveled half across the country! 8)


Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 19, 2011, 04:43:21 pm

Ha ha ha. I mixed up English and German expressions. In English it's all the world and his brother - in German it's "Gott und die Welt" which would literally be god and all the world. So I took the god part from German and the brother part from English! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Good catch!


Also love your sig line (of course!)
  :laugh:
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on January 19, 2011, 04:44:34 pm

Ha ha ha. I mixed up English and German expressions. In English it's all the world and his brother - in German it's "Gott und die Welt" which would literally be god and all the world. So I took the god part from German and the brother part from English! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Good catch!


Also love your sig line (of course!)


LOL!

I saw it too, but I was too polite to say anything....   ::) ::)


In Swedish it's "the devil and his grandmother" btw.  8)

Mostly in a negative context, mind you.  

So it wouldn't be used in your sentence anyway.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on January 19, 2011, 04:50:20 pm
I just uploaded about fifteen minutes ago, so I forgive you  ;D

Yes, that was a real good weekend, wasnīt it? I visited Stockholm about two weeks ago and missed your company as I strolled through Gamla Stan :-*

Master photographer indeed. Was some hot shot photographer who had traveled half across the country! 8)




Yeah, that was a wonderful weekend.  I can't imagine going to Stockholm without meeting up with the two of you.  :-*


You know that really devoted photographers will do just about anything when it comes to travelling, just to get the perfect shot!!  ;D
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: louisev on January 19, 2011, 04:57:24 pm
I think in America the only expression we have like that is "Everybody and his brother in law."  No deities involved.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 19, 2011, 07:36:57 pm
I think in America the only expression we have like that is "Everybody and his brother in law."  No deities involved.

Where I come from it's "Everybody and his uncle."
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: southendmd on January 19, 2011, 08:21:33 pm
Where I come from it's "Everybody and his uncle."

Up here, it's "everyone and his brother (pronounced 'brothah')".
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 19, 2011, 10:21:15 pm
Up here, it's "everyone and his brother (pronounced 'brothah')".

From "Woostah"?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: luvenck on January 19, 2011, 10:57:13 pm
Iīve been reading quite a lot lately. I just finished a story I hadnīt read before; Nobodyīs Angel by Maiden o fthe sea. Kinda of a "Brokeback" meets "Rebel Without a Cause" meets "Outsiders" meets "Romeo and Juliet" story with Ennis as a "greaser" and Jack as a "sock" set in the 1950īs.
It was really good and Iīve done much else besides working and reading for the past few days.

Am about to start on another story by Maiden of the sea now called "Able Fires". Letīs hope itīs equally good!


Where did you find copies of Maiden of the Seas stories like that?  The only ones I have are the 3 stories in the Sequel of "For a Little While".  I didn't know she had written anything else.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on January 19, 2011, 11:16:46 pm

Where did you find copies of Maiden of the Seas stories like that?  The only ones I have are the 3 stories in the Sequel of "For a Little While".  I didn't know she had written anything else.
Another brokie mailed them to me. Let me know ifyou want me to send you what I got by her.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: luvenck on January 20, 2011, 01:09:05 am
I WOULD LOVE THEM!!!!   Please send to:

[email protected]

Hugs,

Cat 
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on February 16, 2011, 12:10:42 pm
I've done quite a lot of reading this week as I've been home from work sick. These are three new stories that I especially love and recommend. They are all being updated frequently.

I love Sandcritīs sequel to One Little Thing called Headlong
Ennis works as a ranch hand one summer on the Twist farm and Jack (who is younger) falls head over heels. Angsty and sweet.
Both stories can be found here
http://sandscrit.livejournal.com/

and then it's Annabirminghamīs sweet and smoking hot office romance Office Politics
http://annabirmingham.livejournal.com/

and finally Heathyluvīs new story True Colors
Ennis is a dork, Jack a popular jock in a highschool setting. Itīs hot.
http://heathyluv.livejournal.com/

I also did a bit of writing and posted an entry for the bmm_drabble Valentineīs Day Challenge (theme: secret crush) . Itīs called 31 years & 9 Days and If you wanna read it you can do so over on my LJ
http://buffymonmon.livejournal.com/
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on April 08, 2011, 05:28:39 am
Does anyone have a copy of "Half of the Other" by Clearflow (Bagel1) youīd be willing to share?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on April 13, 2011, 08:31:08 am
Iīm looking for more stories:)

12 days of Christmas by Montana Crows and fizzerbass

Cigarette Trace, The Dry Spell, Home - all three stories by Minchout. Anyone?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Jeff Benson on April 30, 2011, 06:58:38 am
Iīve been re-reading "Portrait of a Farmer" - again. Itīs breathtaking.
How can somebody actually write this good? Iīve read it I donīt know how
many times now, and itīs flawless. Reading it always makes me wish I were
a painter, cause then Iīd paint Ennis the way Jack sees him in this story 8)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 02, 2011, 03:42:04 pm
Iīve been re-reading "Portrait of a Farmer" - again. Itīs breathtaking.
How can somebody actually write this good? Iīve read it I donīt know how
many times now, and itīs flawless. Reading it always makes me wish I were
a painter, cause then Iīd paint Ennis the way Jack sees him in this story 8)
Hi! Iīm with you on "Portrait of a Farmer". Iīve read that story....countless times.
And Iīd love to see the photographs Jack takes of Ennis under that bright Californian sun, to see what it is that Jack sees.
Or perhaps it is himself that he sees, reflected back at him from Ennisīs dark eyes.

Pictures from that time in American history is always sad but interesting to look at.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 02, 2011, 03:44:26 pm
This week the last two chapters of Sandscritīs story "Headling" will be posted. I will be very sad to see the end of that story.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 13, 2011, 07:45:09 am
Hi everyone. Iīm trying to collect all fan fic stories out there, but Iīm still missing some. If anyone have any of these stories, Iīd be real happy!

Missing stories (alphabetical order)

1_of_one (Helen_UK)
Request (drabble)
Dead Jack drabbles
The Strict Stock Boss and the Naughty Stable Boy


aileb42  
The Journey (continuation of "The Neighbor")
The Autumn Night  (The Neighbor Universe)  
The New Year (The Neighbor Universe)



Apreg
- Second Change Family
- Second Chance Faith
- Life is Full of Choices
- Not What They Seem
- Finding Love, When Needed Most
- My Cousin's Friend
- Valentine's Day (one-shot)
- The Other Side (RPF) (one-shot)
- That One Night (one-shot)
- That One Night Part 2 (one-shot)
- My Beautiful Angel (one-shot)
- Jail Cell (one-shot)
- Runaway  (one-shot)




athinfacade
Dreams and Delusions (one-shot)
Seeing Red (one-shot)
Training Day (one-shot)




bcatjr  
Mountain Top (one-shot)
Box of Paint (one-shot)
Grass (one-shot)




Big heart june
Shadows of the Moon  (one-shot)
Remembering (drabble)
Dusky Twilight (drabble)



brackley22      
Off The Slopes (one-shot)



Brokaholic
Sarcalagos Cruor
Four Year Hiatus
Snapshots of Blissful Moments
Last Night On BBM



Camebackaround

All stories by this author
The Face of a Stranger
Aftermath (one-shot)
Responsibility (one-shot)



chloeanne14x  
.A New Life (one-shot
He'd Miss This (drabble)



comeawayeasy    
A Dying Wind (one-shot)



cornflake2912    
Suspension



Cwby30
Circle JE Ranch 1



Debutantee9 (Kumari)
Artificial Castling



Deviant Dev
All stories by this author.
Ain't Nobody's Business  (AU/AU)  Ennis Del Mar is a man trapped in a loveless marriage, brought up to do the right thing, but secretly longing for something more, something he thought only existed in his mind, until the night he meets Jack Twist.

Love Always Finds a Way  (AU)  Jack survived the tire irons, but they took away his memory, his entire life, and all he has to help put it back together is a postcard from a man called Ennis del Mar.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

RPS JAKE GYLLENHAAL and or HEATH LEDGER
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

End Of The Road
Prologue
 
Acting For Love
Part 1 Before Brokeback

Part 2 During Brokeback

Part 3 After Brokeback

A Little Research Never Hurts

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

JAKE GYLLENHAAL

Share The Pain
One More Night




Drifting-elfie (elfellon111)
Promise (One-shot)
Sex On The Beach RPS (one-shot)
The Fashionable Thing To Do RPS (one-shot)
Until Death Do Us Part RPS  



ennistwist

One Heart Ten Times Divided RPS




flashpastboi                        
All stories by this author missing

Twenty Seconds (RPS)   complete
Part 1 , Part 2 , Part 3 , Part 4 , Part 5 , Part 6 , Part 7  


What The Boys Do  (RPS)  Pairing: Jake/ Heath (with a dash of Colin Farrell)
Chapter 1 - 2 , Chapter 3 , Chapter 4 , Chapter 5




foxxcub
Intrinsic or The Working Mechanics of Kissing Guys (rps one-shot)
The Same (rps one-shot)



galeena
Golden Toilet Seats (Paring Jake/Heath, one-shot)



jack_fing_twist      
Red Skies



jackennisgirl
When You Tell Me That You Love Me RPS/AU
Chapter 1 , Chapter 2 , Chapter 3 , Chapter 4 , Chapter 5 , Chapter 6 , Chapter 7 , Chapter 8



jacksharmonica
one-shots
Green and Gold
Once Lost, Now Found
Last Night
Return to Nothingness: Part 1 , From Which We Came: Part 2
Waking Dreams
Night Swimming
Ring of Fire
Positively 4th Street RPS



jakestheme
Upstairs    (RPS - one-shot)



jam on a magnet
Web of Deceit (rps one-shot)



Living Deceiver      
Stache a Heath/Jake RPS



lizbird
Vegas Cabbie  (AU/AU)  Ennis is a cab driver in Las Vegas and Jack is a Professional Gambler who needs a ride



lolitaray
Connection Series complete
Heath and Jake during the filming of BBM

The Turmoil Series (continued from Connection Series)
Captured moments in the lives of Jake and Heath
Pairing: Jake/Heath/Austin, Pairing: Jake/Austin




loolu2
One Shots (These may become a multi-chapter story)
-Wish You Were Here
-Heaven From Hell



loreeent
One Shots
My God Of Love (Water & Sun Challenge)
Gift Card (New Year's Resolutions Challenge)
Drabbles
Wishes (Mitzvahs and Gifts Challenge)
The Decision (February Challenge: Hate At First Sight, or Slap Slap Kiss)
A Twist of Jack Twist (April Challenge: A Bit of a Twist, or A Walk on the Wild Side)
All Because of Love (Picture Prompt Challenge)




lovelysmidge
Co-Workers The Most Wonderful Time of the Year (AU/AU) If Jack and Ennis were frisky colleagues in an office, this is how they'd spend Christmas (2 parts - incomplete)



luvjacknasty
One Shots
The Changing of the Guard
One Year
Midnight Visitor
Sweet Treats
A Walk in The Dark
The Shrine
His favorite Part
Forever 39



Mel0804
Captain Jack One Shot in 2 Parts (AU/AU) Ennis is the pilot of a Boeing 737 and Jack is the chief steward. complete



Mellissajack
]No links.




minchout
Cigarette Traces (Prologue and part 1)



Mollylee
Not Knowing RPS (six parts)


mrs spamlad
inked (one-shot)



Neuontz
Watching
Jackīs POV, Ennis` POV
Things Unsaid (one-shot)
That Time A Yours A Horseback(one-shot)
Poem
Countdown



niims
No listing of her stories, so I donīt know if we got them all



oceansbetween
Off-Camera Scenes RPS complete
Laughter And Pain RPS (sequel to Off Camera Scenes) complete
One Shots/Drabbles
The Rainbow
Departure Time (April Writing Challenge: A Week at Don Wroe's Cabin)
No Longer Night (May Writing Challenge: The Picture Prompt)
Never Land (June Writing Challenge) RPS
Food For Thought (October Writing Challenge) RPS sequel to Never Land
The Jokerīs Wild RPS
Neither Trick Nor Treat
A Bottle Of Rain, Pure And True
The Blue Heeler
He Appreciated That
Action Figures- RPF




peitharchia

BBM - One Shot




rhomboideus

Alchemy complete
Dreamtime RPF
Light – RPF (one-shot)



solongmary
Never Seen Blue (complete)



sparkofire

The Devotion Series (AU) When Ennis stumbles to Jack's house during the middle of a storm, it's the start of a long journey for both men as the present and the past both conspire to tear them apart. complete


trascendenza /trans_elysiance
Evapo-transpiration (A Jake/Heath RPS) complete
Friendly Overtures RPS


Wannabrit (Alexisg)

Fortunate Son


zelinda_86
What Is and What Never Should Be (Fantasy - Dead!Jack) Jack is back where he belongs and Ennis tries to find him...(2 chapters)




Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on May 13, 2011, 05:07:55 pm
Wow Monika, that's some task!!   :o

You may want to contact Sid, I think he has most of what's out there.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on May 17, 2011, 01:56:36 pm
Wow Monika, that's some task!!   :o
itīs an obsession :)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Penthesilea on May 17, 2011, 02:09:08 pm
itīs an obsession :)


Obsession? I don't even know what the word means, five years into BBM. ;) :laugh:
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Sason on May 17, 2011, 03:26:59 pm
itīs an obsession :)

You??!!

Obsessed??!!??  :o :o

No way!!!!    8)
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Berit on May 17, 2011, 04:26:10 pm
Monika or anybody who knows!

A fan fic where a cat tells the story......HELP! (And don't fall off the chairs, I'm going to give it a try!)  O0 :laugh:
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Monika on February 03, 2012, 06:01:49 pm
Itīs been a long time since I read any Brokeback fan fiction, but Iīm currently re-reading Maggieīs story "Knife and Fork" and Iīm loving it. There is a larger-than-life quality to Maggieīs work that really ties in well with the movie. Ennisī and Jackīs love is messy, itīs glorious, itīs devastating and oh so sweet all at once.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: RouxB on February 03, 2012, 06:56:28 pm
Monika-

Can you update the list of what you still need and I can try to help you get some of them.
Mrs. Spamlad (Jill), bcatjr (Bethie-the inspiration for my tattoo), lolitaray (lola to us) will probably send you whatever you want if you pm them.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: pattypoll on January 14, 2013, 02:27:23 pm
I sound like a lazy bastard but could anyone recommend good BBM-fics (and if not available online, send them to my e-mail)? I'm new to BBM-fanfiction, but absolutely obsessed by the beautiful story of Jack & Ennis. I've read quite many fics, but so far the only author I've liked has been Jenny. I even read few chapters of the Human Interest by madlori, but it just somehow wasn't my cup of tea.. Aldo I didn't really like the Lie Beneath the Postcard.

I want to read something were the boys (or men) are IC (well, duh..), beautifully written and with good plot. I love a bit of dirtiness and stories that really bring out the rawness of Jack's and Ennis' love and need. Gotta say that I'm not that into death!Jack -stories,  I need an another ending for this couple. I hope you don't think that I am super lazy and nothing will be good enough for me, but I'm just tired and frustrated from not finding anything!

And sorry for any grammar mistakes, I'm from Finland!  ;D

And my e-mail address: [email protected]
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: CellarDweller on February 11, 2013, 09:55:28 am
Monika or anybody who knows!

A fan fic where a cat tells the story......HELP! (And don't fall off the chairs, I'm going to give it a try!)  O0 :laugh:


I realize this is an old post, but did you ever get the answer?

If not, I think you are talking about The World According to Bubby by HeathlyLuv.
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: Gazapete on November 16, 2018, 01:09:22 pm
Hi you all! I'm trying to remember who wrote a story I read a while ago and really enjoyed. J and E met on an Scottish island I think it was and they go to all kinds of festivities, but I can't remember neither author nor title. Terrible memory, I know. Can someone help me?
Title: Re: General Discussion and Recs
Post by: newmoon21 on January 31, 2019, 02:52:37 pm
Could anyone recommend some Brokeback Mountain stories to me? Thank you.