YES, and a very beautiful one for that matter!!! >:( What are you suggesting, David, that 0 isn't a number? Huh? Well? Mmm? >:(
:laugh: :laugh:
I don't know what I'm thinking! :D
But a number indicates a quantity, and zero is nothing, so how could it be a number? But people use it all the time and I've heard people refer to it as a number, so I'm very confused. ???
How can it be a number when it it isn't anything? Since it's NOTHING, it doesn't exist, does it? But we can see it. Here it is.... 0. See?
And then what about all thsoe negative "numbers"? That's even worse! How can something be NEGATIVE NOTHING?? ???
NOTHING = A QUANTITY
There.... I solved it AAAAAAAAAND posted my 1985th post! Ha!
Nothing isn't a quantity Melissa. Nothing is NOTHING. There's nothing there!
I'm very confused now. ??? Any mathematicians out there? Please explain this to us!
Hey, you're only 15 posts away from 2000!!! YEA!!!!!!!!! :D
YOu gotta post the extra nine tonight Mel!!! 9-0 = 9 keep posting!!!
Zero is a count of the elements in a completely empty set: nothing. You can add zero to any number and you get that number. You can add, subtract, and multiply by zero, but you are not allowed to divide by zero.
Zero is a number.
Example Question:
"Shasta--how many times have you kissed Jake Gyllenhaal?"
"I have kissed Jake Gyllenhaal exactly zero times. I am hoping to add to that however."
I'm on the side of "it IS a number". How will we know? If more people say it is a number, then it is; if more people say it isn't a number, then it isn't?? 8)
Now, do ya'll think "clear" is a color? ;D
Zero is a count of the elements in a completely empty set: nothing. You can add zero to any number and you get that number. You can add, subtract, and multiply by zero, but you are not allowed to divide by zero.
Zero is a number.
Example Question:
"Shasta--how many times have you kissed Jake Gyllenhaal?"
"I have kissed Jake Gyllenhaal exactly zero times. I am hoping to add to that however."
I'm on the side of "it IS a number". How will we know? If more people say it is a number, then it is; if more people say it isn't a number, then it isn't?? 8)
Now, do ya'll think "clear" is a color? ;D
Yes David zero is a number. It is a placeholder who's value is determined by the place it holds, you cannot have numbers over 9 without a placeholder to indicate the addtion of every tenth, hundreth or thousandth mark. Without zero there would be no 10, no 20, no 50, no 100, no 1000, no 1,000,000. Without zero there would be no complex calculations that gave us modern wonders like the personal computer, solar energy or space travel....hence not only is zero a number it is a VERY important number ;D
Okay! Thanks Dottie! :D
But (and PLEASE nobody bite my head off for asking this) a placeholder is not the same as a number, is it? ???
I would NEVER bite your head off David ! :( Zero has to be a number to have an assigned value, otherwise it would be an unknown like a or c are in algebraic equations. Therefore it is null until it assumes its "place"...make sense :) ... only when it stands totally alone does zero have no value and then it use ONLY to indicate that.
zero is a number.
I remember reading about ancient history and they were talking about how people didnt really start commerce until they were able to grasp the concept of nothing.
that doesn't sound right I know. But you can't say there is one pencil if you don't know that there is the concept that there were zero pencils before.
ARGH...I am not explaining right.
lets say you are a restaurant owner. and you are buying bread. You have to know you had zero before you can add to it. you have to have the concept of nothing.
all numbers are just concepts.
all words are just concepts. in and of themselves they don't mean anything.
what is 1 for example?
If I have ZERO apples in front of me, I see NOTHING because NOTHING is there! See? :)Yes, but the concept of no apples is what is pertinent here. Zero apples is as viable a quantity (at least in mathematical terms) as one or more apples.
While mathematicians all accept zero as a number, some non-mathematicians would say that zero is not a number, arguing that one cannot have zero of something. Others hold that if one has a bank balance of zero, one has a specific quantity of money in that account, namely none. It is that latter view which is accepted by mathematicians and most others
Ah HA!!! See? I'm not the only one who thinks like this. :D
Yes it is better now Dottie. Thank you for taking all this time to explain it to me.
I'm very good with numbers. I can add, subtract and somtimes even multiply and divide large numbers in my head. But when it comes to understanding numerical concepts like zero, I'm just a big numbers dummy. :(
...I'm just a big numbers dummy.Sorry, David, but I'M the big numbers dummy around these parts! 8)
SO NO MORE PUTTING YOURSELF DOWN AT ALL... or you're gonna piss me off ;) and I'm not so pretty when I'm pissed off :laugh:
I can imagine you are quite the scary woman Dottie!!!
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/dotEmatrix/beefcake/Beefcake%202/Smilies%20Emoticons%20and%20Avatars/485wh.gif) Yeah! I'm tough (http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/dotEmatrix/beefcake/Beefcake%202/Smilies%20Emoticons%20and%20Avatars/thsmiley_quickdraw.gif) LOL actually I didn't mean it that way...it's just David comes across as this really good guy and I get the feeling people maybe have hurt him in his life and maybe even taken advantage of him and I HATE to see him put himself down that way....that's all.... O.K. .... maybe I should just mind my own business :-\
I was just kidding Dottie! :laugh:
I wasn't putting myself down. But I really do have a problem understanding things like this. That's why I was asking questions, so I could understand it. I've always wondered about zero.
And now I know! :D
Example Question:
"Shasta--how many times have you kissed Jake Gyllenhaal?"
"I have kissed Jake Gyllenhaal exactly zero times. I am hoping to add to that however."
What about in binary? Without 0, there would only be 1s.