BetterMost, Wyoming & Brokeback Mountain Forum
The World Beyond BetterMost => Anything Goes => Topic started by: TJ on May 08, 2006, 01:28:48 am
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Fun discussions are fine . . . but, I had hoped that more people would be willing to discuss the movie and the original short story and that's why I joined the BetterMost Forums board.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?board=3.0 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?board=3.0)
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Fun discussions are fine . . . but, I had hoped that more people would be willing to discuss the movie and the original short story and that's why I joined the BetterMost Forums board.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?board=3.0 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?board=3.0)
Most of the serious discussions take place on:
The Movie Resources, and The Brokeback Mountain Open Forum...there are some serious discussions on Chez Tremblay but recently not as much if you go back a page or two you will find more to your liking. But start new threads on the Open Forum just be patient, folks will respond. You might also want to try the Ultimate Brokeback Forum at DaveCullin.com enormous site with a LARGE amount of posts.
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Most of the serious discussions take place on:
The Movie Resources, and The Brokeback Mountain Open Forum...there are some serious discussions on Chez Tremblay but recently not as much if you go back a page or two you will find more to your liking. But start new threads on the Open Forum just be patient, folks will respond. You might also want to try the Ultimate Brokeback Forum at DaveCullin.com enormous site with a LARGE amount of posts.
The moderators and Dave Cullen himself appear to be uppity snobs at the so-called "Ultimate Brokeback Forum." They don't like me there at all. One of the moderators from Norway was a know-it-all but, she had no idea as to what I was talking about in the first place since her first language was not Standard American English. But, still she had to correct me by PM.
Even the "avatar" pic Cullen uses to ID himself looks like he has his nose in the air. They certainly did no like members admitting they were Christians over there. Cullen included.
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I embrace true Christians because they are all accepting and don't judge. They accept the world as it is and they don't incite hatred, fear, or bigotry. The shame is there are so few around.
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she had no idea as to what I was talking about in the first place since her first language was not Standard American English.
Woaw woaw woaw (I think that was not Standard American English either, was it?), will I just have to shut up because my English is more sort of... British? Well, Scottish actually... with a bit of funny-sounding phrases I'm sure, me being a foreigner :D
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I work for an international company and I have to know how to converse in American English, the King's English, Australian English, and Canadian English (South Africans use the King's English). There are a lot of differences. The U.S. is certainly not the authority in the English language. There are even differences between Western and Eastern Canada! One of the things I really enjoy is conversing on this board with people all over the world. It really helps broaden my perspective (as well as lightening my day--just check out Sheyne's translation of Malaysian subtitles!) It is terrific to chat with BBM lovers in Europe and Australia--that's why I often check out the chat room early in the morning, US Mountain Time, to see if there are any Europeans checking in during their evenings.
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I always find conversations so much more enlightening if you seek to understand rather than to be understood. JMO
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I awlays find conversations so much more enlightening if you seek to understand rather than to be understood. JMO
I agree 100% Vic....not only more enlightening but its easier and you'll get farther IMO....
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Hiya TJ,
What Vickie said.
Most of us have been on the boards for nearly 6 months. We only have one 33 page short story to dissect and one 2 hour movie. Some feel they've already discussed it all.
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Well, since this is in the Anything Goes section of the BetterMost Forums, I should have a right to voice my personal opinions, right?
Oh, in regard to the epithet, "Christian," it is only used 3 times in the Bible and none of Jesus' followers ever used the word to refer to themselves. Because Paul and Barnabus preached about "The Christ," the non-believers in Antioch, Syria who spoke Greek made up the name to mock them. In the 1st Century AD, the Disciples of Jesus, there were thousands of them, called themselves and each other "Believer." And they called their doctrine or church, "The Way."
In an Epistle of Peter, the author mentions that if a person is made fun of because he believes in Christ Jesus and is called "Christian," and his is living right for the LORD, to count it an honor to be called by that name. But, what he wrote was not a command or order, in words to this effect, "From now on, all Believers will be called Christian."
What we historically know as "Christian Orthodoxy" (official theologian name), we now call "Orthodox Christianity." The organized religion of Christianity began in 325 AD and the Emperor Constantine presided over the first of the 7 Councils that year. Until that happened, the Believers were definitely adovcates of separation of church and state.
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I embrace true Christians because they are all accepting and don't judge. They accept the world as it is and they don't incite hatred, fear, or bigotry. The shame is there are so few around.
But, you do judge people yourself and if I had kept a copy of your PMs, I could prove it.
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T.J. I thought you were interested in having more discussion of the movie and story, not more inside personal discussions, but this is turning into an inside personal discussion, so I'm confused. . . If you had chatted w/Ray like I have, you would know he is the most nonjudgemental person on the planet... he was willing to chat w/me until the cows come home, warts and all...
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T.J. I thought you were interested in having more discussion of the movie and story, not more inside personal discussions, but this is turning into an inside personal discussion, so I'm confused. . . If you had chatted w/Ray like I have, you would know he is the most nonjudgemental person on the planet... he was willing to chat w/me until the cows come home, warts and all...
Ray sent me a PM and he called me an "old queen!"
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Turn the other cheek dear man and move on I say! By the way, I am an old queen too. What a coincidence huh? Now let's behave like gentlemen and get over it. :)
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Turn the other cheek dear man and move on I say! By the way, I am an old queen too. What a coincidence huh? Now let's behave like gentlemen and get over it. :)
Oh, are you quite effeminate and prefer to dress in clothes of the opposite sex?
I am NOT effeminate at all and the very thought of not wearing men's clothing and women's clothing instead is repulsive to me.
When I had an account with America Online (AOL), a guy who was mentally deranged and claimed to be "Christian," and yet hated gays and lesbians, decided he would stalk me and find out where I was posting messages. And he would attempt to expose me by pointing out to regulars of the various Message Bulletin Boards (MBBs) where I had an interest that I was homosexual.
In one major subject area where he did that, which was related to education of boys and girls, it was interesting the regular posters there, mostly parents, told him that they knew I was openly gay and did not care. They liked my input into the discussions.
He posted the same stuff in an Independent/non-denominational Trinitarian Doctrine Pentecostal Discussion MBB and I ended up getting a email from a non-Trinitarian Pentecostal woman who copastored a United Pentecostal Church with her husband and she quoted the Hebrew scripture where it is considered an abomination to wear clothing of the opposite sex.
I sent an email back to her and I wrote, "Lady, if you want to come to my home in Tulsa, Oklahoma and look in my closets, my dresser and chest of drawers, you will not find any clothing designed for women to wear. The only time that there are women's clothing in my home is when a woman is wearing them!"
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I work for an international company and I have to know how to converse in American English, the King's English, Australian English, and Canadian English (South Africans use the King's English). There are a lot of differences. The U.S. is certainly not the authority in the English language. There are even differences between Western and Eastern Canada! One of the things I really enjoy is conversing on this board with people all over the world. It really helps broaden my perspective (as well as lightening my day--just check out Sheyne's translation of Malaysian subtitles!) It is terrific to chat with BBM lovers in Europe and Australia--that's why I often check out the chat room early in the morning, US Mountain Time, to see if there are any Europeans checking in during their evenings.
This is one of the coolest posts I've read on here in awhile! Who uses King's English besides South Africa? Forgive me, I'm ignorant on the matter.
I'm not badmouthin' anyone, but sweet little ol' me got banned from Davecullen for awhile! They are tough cookies over there.
Also, I'd like to add, I wish Ray would pm me and call me something! I think I get the least amount of Rayluv on this whole board! Alas.
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Oh Stacey! I feel awful. I really thought I HAD called you LOTS of junk. How could I be so remiss?! I will remedy that this instant.
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Ray has names and Caricatures of a lot of us..ROFLOL
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Ray has names and Caricatures of a lot of us..ROFLOL
Yup, I'll second that! As a straight female who just got the Bronze medal in Chez Tremblay's Sexiest Men in the World Poll (nominated BY Ray), I am probably far more justified in being miffed at name calling than anybody else on this board.... :P
TJ, I don't know you, buddy, but I DO know Ray. We live in the same town and we are friends. And I can tell you now, he is an absolutely brilliant, beautiful and amazing person. He calls a spade a ******* shovel and doesn't take garbage. Nor does he tolerate fools gladly. When I first joined IMDb, he thought I was a troll and some of his posts reflected that. Now had I been a wanker about it, he'd STILL be on my ignore list and I would never have found this great place. But being a "newbie", I gave people time to get to know me and accept that I was genuine - my love for BBM was genuine and I wasn't a troll. This took TIME. But I gave it the time it needed and not only do I have an online home and community of fabulous people at my fingertips, I have a great friend who makes me smile, makes me laugh and makes me feel really special.
Why don't you give it some time too?? And Ray is not a queen. Bears don't wear tiaras, right Ray?? ;) ;D
ooooh he's gonna kill me for that crack..... PAYBACK for the Sexiest Man thingy..!!
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Who uses King's English besides South Africa? Forgive me, I'm ignorant on the matter.
Don't know the answer to that one, but Ray seems to use "old queen" 's English :D
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Yup, I'll second that! As a straight female who just got the Bronze medal in Chez Tremblay's Sexiest Men in the World Poll (nominated BY Ray), I am probably far more justified in being miffed at name calling than anybody else on this board.... :P
ROTFL - Oh Sheyne, you are histerical! Is it too forward to ask what happened on IMDb? A misunderstanding maybe? I mean you're just so lovely, you don't seem like you could hurt a fly, is all I'm saying is all. ;)
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I have the honour of being called a bitch by Ray! I was so excited! Beats being branded a blonde!!
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Hahahahahaha, you're all nuts!
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Oh, are you quite effeminate and prefer to dress in clothes of the opposite sex?
I am NOT effeminate at all and the very thought of not wearing men's clothing and women's clothing instead is repulsive to me.
I, for one, would just prefer to wear no clothes at all. Problem solved!
Ray, Sheyne...any good nude beaches in your neck of the woods?
L
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I, for one, would just prefer to wear no clothes at all. Problem solved!
Ray, Sheyne...any good nude beaches in your neck of the woods?
L
Hi, Leslie--
Have you read any of the "Conversations with God" books by Neale Donald Walsch? There, God (of all people) strongly implies that it is a mark of high spiritual development to go about naked. The Digambara sect of Jainism admonishes all monks to live life unclothed--the only religion, to the best of my knowledge, that enjoins nudity as a requisite for spiritual attainment.
Scott
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Hi, Leslie--
Have you read any of the "Conversations with God" books by Neale Donald Walsch? There, God (of all people) strongly implies that it is a mark of high spiritual development to go about naked. The Digambara sect of Jainism admonishes all monks to live life unclothed--the only religion, to the best of my knowledge, that enjoins nudity as a requisite for spiritual attainment.
Scott M.
Scott, no, but this is interesting. On another mailing list I am on, this question actually came up--about this particular religion. I may share this info...thanks,
L
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Scott, you never cease to amaze. I wish I had your life...I wish I had your brain!!
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Scott, you never cease to amaze. I wish I had your life...I wish I had your brain!!
Fronty, you know I wasn't calling "Bitch" AT you, I was calling it WITH you ;D. And I agree, Scott is a very bright cookie. *Admire actively*
I swear Leslie, You HAVE to come here and discover our nude beaches for yourself. I told you the spare room is at your disposal! But I warn you, Celeste has suggested that I start covering my furniture in plastic if I am to continue my "free spirit" practices around the house and insist on inviting people to stay.
There was no BIG event on the IMBd board Chris that made me suspicious of Hippo, it was just that her appearance coincided with that paranoid period not long before the end when everyone was wearing dark galsses and plastic noses and eavesdropping behind doors and such. Jenny C was another who copped a heavy duty interrogation. (Actually Sheyne thought I said "Troll" but she misheard slightly!) But she wasn't a troll, but a wonderfully funny, loving and clever gift.
Sheyne, I so can't wait to give you a very BIG bear hug. >:( You thought your foot was sore!
Princess is right, you all inspire very clear images in my mind, perhaps one day I will send you the book. But be warned, I replace a lot of "s's" with "th" inline with Belle'th Old Queen'th Englith. The's a great teather ya know!!
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The's a great teather ya know!!
Teather... Was that "teaser" (say yes, say I am one, go on, I am allowed to be called names by you, too!), or "teacher" (stop spilling the beans to everyone about this - we have another of them (*whispers* "teachers") around the boards, who suddenly makes me understand why not many people like us. NO, not you Sheyne...
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In looks, I am hairy enough to be a "bear," too.
And here is a larger pic of what I look like from just a few years ago. My hair is much thinner on top now. I took it with a free web cam that worked with an older computer. I gave the cam to my sister when I got a new computer and a digital cam.
(http://static.flickr.com/55/144067912_2ac72469ec.jpg?v=0)
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Thanks for the picture TJ ;D It's always nice to see who we're talking too! You look like a nice friendly guy to me! Mellow out put your feet and chat a spell ::)
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You're the cutest bear I ever did see, TJ, and I'll bet you look great in your Western duds!!
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You're the cutest bear I ever did see, TJ, and I'll bet you look great in your Western duds!!
Thanks "Front-Ranger." I need to get someone to take some pics of me all dressed up in my "cowdrag" outfits.
I do have the Wrangler PBR logo jeans to wear, actually two pair. I have what could be called a complete "Drysdales Western Wear Outfit" since Drydales is the official place in Tulsa to buy Professional Bull Riders clothing.
I even own some PBR "action figures," bulls, and bull riders with bulls, too.
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TJ,
Nice picture! You are doing better than I am, I still have not worked up the courage to post my picture :). Oh, you can imagine, any female Asian face will do. ;D
Come on, post a few jokes here and tease a little ;). I am sure you have a lot to share. When it comes to jokes, I am the worst. I said it here more than once that sometimes I couldn’t tell if people are joking or not. Some of Ray’s Aussie jokes, I still don’t get them. Whenever I find something that I don’t quite understand or questionable, I always assume that he is teasing. The approach seems to work ;).
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That's a very good point, Jenny. It IS true that Australian humour doesn't always translate and if you're unsure, assume we're teasing or having a lend of you. Ray's not a nasty character and neither am I. We love a good laugh and while we do have our serious moments (and you'll definitely be able to distinguish), most of the time, we're generally lighthearted and wise-arsey (taking creative license with the wording there... :P )
TJ, you look like quite the loveable bear. Yes, do stay and chat a while. I remember a post of yours saying that you wanted more Brokeback discussion. Feel free to wade back through the many pages on Chez Tremblay, if you're patient and would like a good read. We're always looking for new little nuances to explore to death, but we exhausted so many options there, I even invaded my Malaysian bootleg copy of the film and regaled everybody with the appallingly-translated subtitles. They are very funny, so if you feel like a giggle, try and find "Brokeback Through The Looking Glass", as it very much feels that way when you're reading them!! ;)
Ray (aka, Yogi, as in BEAR), I can't wait for you to throw your big loving bear arms around me.... and a quick reminder that I know 6 different ways to cripple a man.. *blows big teasing kisses and blinks eyes innocently*
MWAH!!!! ;D
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Ray's not a nasty character
Oh, Ray is “nasty” in his own league ;D.
Someone better show up quickly to attend all the bear hug requests from the ladies. ;)
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Oh, Kaland, a young man who used to live with me, whom I had not seen since December 9th, showed up this evening. I told him that since he's back in town that one of these days soon I want him to take some pics of me in my Drysdales Western Wear outfit. He was with me when I bought the PBR related stuff.
Here's a pic of him making a funny face. He knew the web cam I had the time was on.
(http://static.flickr.com/48/144326390_2a4784f85b_m.jpg)
He hasn't seen Brokeback Mountain yet and I told him that when he comes again and has enough time, I want him to watch it with me.
We used to enjoy watching televised Professional Bull Riders Rodeos together. And we were snuggled up close, too.
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It's nice to see your face TJ. It's nice to see your smile.
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It's nice to see your smile.
You haven't had that luck with me yet, Ray, have you... But just wait! ;D
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You haven't had that luck with me yet, Ray, have you...
Every day, in my mind, my Belle.
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Thanks "Front-Ranger." I need to get someone to take some pics of me all dressed up in my "cowdrag" outfits.
I do have the Wrangler PBR logo jeans to wear, actually two pair. I have what could be called a complete "Drysdales Western Wear Outfit" since Drydales is the official place in Tulsa to buy Professional Bull Riders clothing.
I even own some PBR "action figures," bulls, and bull riders with bulls, too.
Can't wait to see you in your western duds.... :o living in Oklahoma and being invovled in the PBR you know how to it right I'm sure :D