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Title: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on August 30, 2007, 01:37:45 pm
The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk

Sometimes conversations here might to be cut short becasue us girls say: "I don't want to squick out the guys" so I figured a thread to talk about all those icky female issues might come in handy.

Men are more then welcome to read and join in the conversation, just like any other thread. But the first time anyone with a penis says: "Ewwwww" or "TMI", they'll be getting a severe ass-kicking from me.  :P :laugh:


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on August 30, 2007, 01:49:01 pm
so I'll start with a scary but funny story - I hoping there is not an ounce of truth in it at all!!!!!

Quote
Subject: Hair Removal

All hair removal methods have tricked women with their promises of
easy, painless removal - The Epilady, scissors, razors, Nair and
now...the wax. Read on.........

My night began as any other normal weeknight. Come home, fix dinner,
play with the kids. I then had the thought that would ring painfully
in my mind for the next few hours: " Maybe should pull the waxing
kit out Of the medicine cabinet."

So I headed to the site of my demise: the bathroom. It was one of
those "cold wax" kits. No melting a clump of hot wax, you just rub
the strips together in your hand, they get warm and you peel them
apart and press them to your leg (or wherever else) and you pull the
hair Right off.

No muss, no fuss. How hard can it be? I mean, I'm not a genius, but
I a am mechanically inclined enough to figure this out. (YA THINK!?!)

So I pull one of the thin strips out. Its two strips facing each
other stuck together. Instead of rubbing them together, my genius
kicks in so I get out the hair dryer and heat it to 1000 degrees.
("Cold wax," yeah...right! ) I lay the strip across my thigh. Hold
the skin around it tight and pull. It works!

OK, so it wasn't the best feeling, but it wasn't too bad. I can do
this!

Hair removal no longer eludes me! I am She-rah, fighter of all
wayward body hair and maker of smooth skin extra ordinaries.

With my next wax strip I move north. After checking on the kids, I
sneak back into the bathroom, for the ultimate hair fighting
championship. I drop my panties and place one foot on the toilet.

Using the same procedure, I apply the wax strip across the right
side of my bikini line, covering the right half of my hoo-ha and
stretching down to the inside of my butt cheek (it was a long strip)
I inhale deeply and brace myself... RRRRIIIPPP!! !! I'm blind!!!
Blinded from pain!!!!.... OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!! ! Vision returning, I
notice that I've only managed to pull off half the strip. CRAP!
Another deep breath and RIPP! Everything is spinning and spotted.

I think I may pass out...must stay conscious... must stay conscious.
Do I hear crashing drums??? Breathe, breathe...OK, back to normal.

I want to see my trophy - a wax covered strip, the one that has
caused me so much pain, with my hairy pelt sticking to it. I want to
revel in the glory that is my triumph over body hair. I hold up the
strip.

There's no hair on it. Where is the hair??? WHERE IS THE WAX???

Slowly I ease my head down, foot still perched on the toilet. I see
the hair. The h air that should be on the strip...it's not! I touch.
I am touching wax.

I run my fingers over the most sensitive part of my body, which is
now covered in cold wax and matted hair. Then I make the next BIG
mistake...remember my foot is still propped upon the toilet? I know
I need to do something. So I put my foot down.

Sealed shut! My butt is sealed shut. Sealed shut!

I penguin walk around the bathroom trying to figure out what to do
and think to mysel f "Please do n't let me get the urge to poop. My
head may pop off!" What can I do to melt the wax?

Hot water!! Hot water melts wax!! I'll run the hottest water I can
stand into the bathtub, get in, immerse the wax-covered bits and the
wax should melt and I can gently wipe it off, right???

*WRONG!!!!!! !*

I get in the tub - the water is slightly hotter than that used to
torture prisoners of war or sterilize surgical equipment - I sit.

Now, the only thing worse than having your nether regions glued
together, is having them glued together and then glued to the bottom
of the tub...in scalding hot water. Which, by the way, doesn't melt
cold wax.

So, now I'm stuck to the bottom of the tub as though I had cemented
myself to the porcelain!! God bless the man who had convinced me a
few months ago to have a phone put in the bathroom!!!! !

I call my friend, thinking surely she has waxed before and has some
secret of how to get me undone. It's a ver y good conversation
starter "So, my butt and hoo-ha are glued together to the bottom of
the tub!"

There is a slight pause. She doesn't know any secret tricks for
removal but she does try to hide her laughter from me. She wants to
know exactly where the wax is located, "Are we talking cheeks or
hole or hoo-ha?"

She's laughing out loud by now...I can hear her. I give her the
rundown and she suggests I call the number on the side of the box.

YEAH!!!!! Right!! I shou ld be the joke of someone else's night.
While we go through various solutions. I resort to trying to scrape
the < BR>wax off with a razor . Nothing feels better than to have
your girlie goodies covered in hot wax, glued shut, stuck to the tub
in super hot water and then dry-shaving the sticky wax off!! By now
the brain is not working, dignity has taken a major hike and I'm
pretty sure I'm going to need Post-Traumatic Stress counseling for
this event.

My friend is still talking with me when I finally see my saving
grace....the lotion they give you to remove the excess wax. What do
I really have to lose at this point? I rub some on and OH MY
GOD!!!!!!!
The scream probably woke the kids and scared the dickens out of my
friend. It's sooo painful, but I really don't care. "IT WORKS!!

It works !!" I get a hearty congratulation from my friend and she
hangs up. I successfully remove the remainder of the wax and then
notice to my grief and despair....THE HAIR IS STILL THERE....... ALL
OF IT!

So I recklessly shave it off. Heck, I'm numb by now. Nothing hurts.
I could have amputated my own leg at this point.

Next week I'm going to try hair color......
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: belbbmfan on August 30, 2007, 01:58:53 pm
so I'll start with a scary but funny srtory - I hoping there is not an ounce of truth in it at all!!!!!


 :o  :o

ouch, that sounded very painful!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on August 30, 2007, 02:05:53 pm
I love this topic! And the story was so funny! The things we females will do in the name of vanity!!

 ::)

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on August 30, 2007, 02:12:30 pm
I've never had my legs waxed - I'm too much of a scardy cat - plus you'd have to let the hairs grow pretty long before you wax (mind you I'm quite lazy and often I do have prickly legs!)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on August 30, 2007, 05:41:18 pm
I got 2 spots 2 days ago. Today I'm knackered, have no concentration and grumpy - guess what! My period just started! Even if my cycle wasn't like clockwork (cos I'm on the pill and have been for 9 years) I could tell a mile away when it was about to start.

GHA!!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: dot-matrix on August 30, 2007, 11:25:29 pm
I got 2 spots 2 days ago. Today I'm knackered, have no concentration and grumpy - guess what! My period just started! Even if my cycle wasn't like clockwork (cos I'm on the pill and have been for 9 years) I could tell a mile away when it was about to start.

GHA!!

I hear you Sister.  I'm perimenopausal and I can still tell when mines on it's way just by the way I feel and how irritable I get.  I think it's damn unfair to still have PMS when you start having hot flashes and hair on your chin!  >:(
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 31, 2007, 12:29:31 am
This is an awesome thread topic!  8)

LOL, the only things I've ever had waxed are my eyebrows once.  It was actually a nice experience at a day-spa and I remember being amazed at how much of a difference that little amount of precision grooming could make!
 :o
But, I'm unwilling to spend money on that type of thing on a regular basis, so it was a one shot deal for me.


And, re: irritability, etc. ... for me PMS has always meant something more like a little phase of being relatively depressed. Since I recognize it as PMS, it's acutally not so bad sometimes... just recognizing it as a passing phase.  It was god-awful in grad school and not so bad lately, for which I'm very grateful.
I've never been on birth control in my life, so things are free-wheeling for me and relatively predictable.  And for me, it's really true... if I'm living in a situation where there are a lot of women sharing one bathroom... I will regulate to be on the other women's cycles.  It's honestly pretty fascinating.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on August 31, 2007, 03:55:42 am

And, re: irritability, etc. ... for me PMS has always meant something more like a little phase of being relatively depressed. Since I recognize it as PMS, it's acutally not so bad sometimes... just recognizing it as a passing phase.

And for me, it's really true... if I'm living in a situation where there are a lot of women sharing one bathroom... I will regulate to be on the other women's cycles.  It's honestly pretty fascinating.

Do you know - I am on a down low at the moment, I thought it was just cos I'm desperate for my holiday (12 sleeps!!  ;D) but you know its probably a combination of that and a bit of my monthly female issue!!

Now I lived with females for 5 years and I don't think I ever did regualte to anyone elses - its interesting though.

Jess & Dot - I feel for ya!!

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on August 31, 2007, 06:14:04 am
I've never had my legs waxed - I'm too much of a scardy cat - plus you'd have to let the hairs grow pretty long before you wax (mind you I'm quite lazy and often I do have prickly legs!)

I have always loathed using a razor for my legs or underarms. Quite awhile ago--15 years maybe?--I decided "I am worth it!" and started getting a regular waxing. Legs, underarms, and eyebrows and in recent years, my upper lip. Once in awhile I'll get my bikini line neatened up. It doesn't hurt and the more I have had it done, the less hair there seems to be overall.

I would never try to do it myself (I think it would be messy and awkward). After all this time, I can't imagine going back to shaving, either!

L
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on August 31, 2007, 06:18:21 am
I will regulate to be on the other women's cycles.  It's honestly pretty fascinating.

It is. My daughter and I tend to be on the same schedule.

For quite a few years I have been as regular as clockwork (28 days, to the minute) just on my own (no birth control or anything. I had my tubes tied 10 years ago). Then, at the end of July I started a few days early and my period started again on Aug 21...just 21 days later. I am wondering if this is permanent or just something that happened because Hannah (my daughter) was away for the month.

L
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: opinionista on August 31, 2007, 06:36:09 am
I shave my legs and armprits quite regularly. My sister says I am obsessed. She only shaves during the summer, the rest of the year, she doesn't bother. But I do it anyway, regardless of the season. As for my period, I am very regular. Sometimes, I get it a few days ahead. I'm rarely late. Curiously enough, the few times I have been late, I happened to have a boyfriend, and I really thought I was pregnant. But luckily for me it was a false alarm, both times.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on August 31, 2007, 06:55:34 am
Oh, I'm a stickeler for armpit hair - almost every day - even to the point that I get the tweezers out to catch the few little stray hairs not caught by the razor.

Legs, as I say not so much - leg shaving is a weekend job most of the time!

I have had my eyebrows waxed once and it was an amzing difference - when I see photos of myself before hand I think my eyebrows look ridiculous! And since that one wax, I ahve kept my eyebrows in chgeck with tweezers.

My top lip, I bleach.

And my bikini area. well I had it waxed for the first time last year ready for my summer holiday and I wasn't too impressed, and reverted back to shaving. But i think the girl might not have been very good. I may give it another try just before I go away in 2 weeks,... but LADIES! here is a question.... What is the best time before you go away on hol to get that done, too long and the hairs are coming back, too short and you look and feel like a plucked chicken 'down there'.    :laugh:

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: shortfiction on September 01, 2007, 02:49:05 pm
Waxing hurts a lot the first time you do it, but much less on subsequent visits.   I have to get my underarms and lower legs waxed roughly every 3 weeks.     


Ladies:   would you recommend a Tylenol the next time I get a mammo?  As you well know, it hurts so freaking bad to get that done!    Same question for the pelvic exam/PAP.   They were unable to complete it the last time I was supposed to have one done.  It is so painful.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on September 01, 2007, 03:04:03 pm

Ladies:   would you recommend a Tylenol the next time I get a mammo?  As you well know, it hurts so freaking bad to get that done!    Same question for the pelvic exam/PAP.   They were unable to complete it the last time I was supposed to have one done.  It is so painful.


I have never found a mammogram painful, but if you do, maybe a Tylenol would help. Or a glass of wine! I would also explain to the tech beforehand that you have had a bad experience with painful mammos so that s/he is aware of how much compression is being used.

Likewise, a pelvic exam should not be that painful. Talk to the practitioner, explain about your last experience. S/he should be able to help you breathe and relax. Sometimes they'll warm the speculum, too, that can help.

Leslie
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on September 01, 2007, 04:18:05 pm
I agree with what Leslie said.  Neither a mammogram nor a pelvic exam should hurt too much.  I think that a little discomfort is to be expected... but if either procedure is truly painful, then the practitioner is doing something wrong.  Be sure to speak up for yourself if you feel pain in those procedures.  Don't take the doctor's behavior for granted... you definitely have the right to speak up if you're uncomfortable.

For me, I almost always get bad cramps (sort of like menstrual cramps) following a pelvic exam, so yes, I often take Tylenol or something. But, usually the exam itself doesn't hurt (cause sharp pains, etc.).

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Penthesilea on September 01, 2007, 04:54:04 pm
I second (or third) what Leslie and Amanda have said: I never had a pelvic exam that hurt the slightest bit. You should talk to your doctor.
Can't say anything about mammogram though, never had one yet.


I never had any waxing of hair, and I'm sure I'll never try it  :o. It already sounds so horrible (and I mean not the story Kelda posted, lol). I am lucky and don't have many hairs anywhere on my body. For 35 years I never needed to shave or wax anything. But the last few years, the hair on my legs seem to get more. Now I have an epilator and I love that little machine. It doesn't hurt badly, only a little bit and it takes weeks for the hair to come back. Actually, I use it three times a year: one time in each, June, July and August. I'm like Natali's sister, in winter I don't bother with the hair on my legs.

I remember in puperty, when all girls of my class already had body hair and I wondered when I will get more than the three meager hairs I had. Well, that time never came and a few years later (and to this day) I'm happy about it.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on September 01, 2007, 05:53:53 pm
I've never heard of a pelvic exam being out-and-out painful. Not the most fun thing in the world, but not painful.

Mammograms, on the other hand, I would say are on the extreme side of uncomfortable. I remember seeing an internet joke about how you can prepare for a mammogram by slamming your breast in a refrigerator door and then running over it with the car, or something like that. That's about right, but luckily you only have to endure it for a minute or so.


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: shortfiction on September 01, 2007, 11:53:30 pm
Thank you for the replies.   I can survive the mammo, somehow, but that pelvic just kills me.    I even had them used the child's speculum and it still seems too big.    Not to get too personal, but....well, heck, we already are personal here, aren't we?----I'm, uh, how do I put this.....Small.   

Sigh.



I never thought I would wax, but now that I'm used to it, I can't stand to use a razor any more.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on September 02, 2007, 09:12:44 am

Mammograms, on the other hand, I would say are on the extreme side of uncomfortable. I remember seeing an internet joke about how you can prepare for a mammogram by slamming your breast in a refrigerator door and then running over it with the car, or something like that. That's about right, but luckily you only have to endure it for a minute or so.


I have seen that joke and it irks me because I know there are women who don't get mammograms because they are afraid of the pain. MAMMOGRAMS  SAVE LIVES. A minute or two of discomfort once a year is certainly bearable, don't you think, ladies?

In my personal opinion, I concur with the American Cancer Society: women should have an annual mammogram, beginning at age 40. If there is any significant family history, you may want to begin sooner. Discuss this with your practitioner. I had my first mammo at 35.

Leslie
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 02, 2007, 11:03:24 am
I've only ever had 2 pelvii exams - my next one will be shortly (in the Uk you get them every 2 years from when you turn 20). but i also found it uncomfortable.

So girls that wax! ........ suggestions puh-leese - I'm going to go for a bikini wax for my holiday - so how long before I go should I get it done - so I don't have big welts on my bikini line while I sunbathe but not lots of hairs either!!!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on September 02, 2007, 11:16:42 am

So girls that wax! ........ suggestions puh-leese - I'm going to go for a bikini wax for my holiday - so how long before I go should I get it done - so I don't have big welts on my bikini line while I sunbathe but not lots of hairs either!!!

You shouldn't have big welts on your bikini. If that happens, they may be using wax that is too hot, or too thick. I had one woman who used the wrong kind of wax on my underarms once and I ended up with huge red welts...believe me, I never went back to her!

Before vacation...I would think a week would be safe.

The welts can also be a result of ingrown hairs. Since pubic hairs are tight and curly, they have a tendency to become ingrown...more than hairs on your legs (at least for me). So keep an eye on that. There is a product called "Tend Skin" which is supposed to help prevent this. I have read mixed reviews on how well it works. One comment I read said just use vodka on a cotton ball!

L
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 02, 2007, 11:28:34 am
You shouldn't have big welts on your bikini. If that happens, they may be using wax that is too hot, or too thick. I had one woman who used the wrong kind of wax on my underarms once and I ended up with huge red welts...believe me, I never went back to her!

Before vacation...I would think a week would be safe.

The welts can also be a result of ingrown hairs. Since pubic hairs are tight and curly, they have a tendency to become ingrown...more than hairs on your legs (at least for me). So keep an eye on that. There is a product called "Tend Skin" which is supposed to help prevent this. I have read mixed reviews on how well it works. One comment I read said just use vodka on a cotton ball!

L

heh perhaps welts was the wrong wording - but looking a bit tender and plucked chicken like - the last time i did it a week before I went on hol but there was stray hairs starting to appear back within 10 days.  >:(
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: shortfiction on September 02, 2007, 02:49:28 pm
I had the bikini wax done once.  I couldn't bear the thought of the Brazilian, though.....

It didn't hurt much at all down along the sides of the triangle, but  across the top it hurt a lot.  You can expect redness and soreness there for a while, esp. the first time.   

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 02, 2007, 05:37:58 pm
I had the bikini wax done once.  I couldn't bear the thought of the Brazilian, though.....


*nods head* I just can't even think about going there - No THANK- YOU!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on September 23, 2007, 11:41:41 pm
I'm jumping back into this thread to suggest a different course of discussion... away from waxing, etc.  ;D

Over in Safe Haven, there's a really, deeply important thread in progress on the often disturbing topic of misogyny in societies around the world.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,13013.50.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,13013.50.html)

I thought that in this thread, I might ask some questions about what you all think are the most empowering and wonderful things about being female...

How do you define yourself as female?  Is it just a biological identity or do you think of it as something deeper or more profound? 

And, again, what are the aspects of being female that you find most exciting, powerful and important? 

When confronted with a misogynist/ sexist situation how do you cope and where do you find your strength?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 30, 2007, 09:33:31 am
My niece is 9 years old and started her period yesterday!

:o

So young but seems to be so much more the norm now.....
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on September 30, 2007, 10:32:41 am
My niece is 9 years old and started her period yesterday!

Wow, that is young. But it's true, not unusual these days.

It must be difficult to manage all the period ... arrangements, at 9. Heck, it's difficult to manage them at 49. My sons, 11 and 13, are just barely getting down the basics of ordinary grooming. I can't imagine them dealing with pads and tampons and that stuff.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Penthesilea on September 30, 2007, 10:49:05 am
My niece is 9 years old and started her period yesterday!

:o

So young but seems to be so much more the norm now.....


Wow, that is young. But it's true, not unusual these days.

It must be difficult to manage all the period ... arrangements, at 9. Heck, it's difficult to manage them at 49. My sons, 11 and 13, are just barely getting down the basics of ordinary grooming. I can't imagine them dealing with pads and tampons and that stuff.


Funny you're mentioning this today. My daughter is 11 and a half and started her period - today.
*sigh* My Baby!

I was 11 too then, but 9 seems awfully early  :-\
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Fran on September 30, 2007, 10:52:28 am
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa188/ffrraann/ABC%20Food%20used/mammogram.jpg)

Like Leslie, I had a baseline mammogram done at age 35.  I find mammograms painful but not unbearably so.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Fran on September 30, 2007, 10:56:24 am

Funny you're mentioning this today. My daughter is 11 and a half and started her period - today.
*sigh* My Baby!

I was 11 too then, but 9 seems awfully early  :-\

My 14-year-old "baby" is still waiting for hers.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 30, 2007, 10:59:13 am
11 is still young though. I was like 13 when I started.

Rhanna was away for the weekend at a camp thing - she had the sense to call her Mum and tell her she had blood on her pants.

So Eilidh had to get one of the female guardians at the camp to deal with her until she returns home today. She has had 'the talk' already, so just a bit of reassuring and explanation over the practicalities today is required.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on September 30, 2007, 11:01:54 am
what you all think are the most empowering and wonderful things about being female...

How do you define yourself as female?  Is it just a biological identity or do you think of it as something deeper or more profound? 

And, again, what are the aspects of being female that you find most exciting, powerful and important? 

I am blessed to have an easy answer to that question--I define myself as female because I produced two children, and I'm very proud of that! But, going beyond that as you asked, I do have a knowledge of the act of creation within me and I think that is at its esence female. I am never happier than when I am creating something or helping it realize its full potential.

One of the things I love about being female is taking a male instinct or impulse and being able to temper it or change it to be whole and balanced. The male drive within me is also very strong and sometimes I need all the strength of my femaleness to keep it under control!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 30, 2007, 11:53:48 am
Hi Ladies,

I've only just noticed this thread, so it'll take me a little bit of time to catch up on all the gossip .... but I do love a good natter!!

Susie (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_1_201.gif)

REALLY!!??!!!   :laugh: :laugh: ;D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 30, 2007, 06:01:55 pm
Susie - I'm always amazed at your smileys!!!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 30, 2007, 06:12:24 pm
give us some felale related anecdote!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on September 30, 2007, 09:39:52 pm
Is this the Girlz Gone Wild Topic? If so, I want to join becuz I've just about had it up to here with men this weekend, whether stray or gate!!

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: David In Indy on September 30, 2007, 09:43:48 pm
WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE?  >:(

Cussin'. Swearin'. Cartoons about mamograms. Yipes!  :-X

It said men are welcome so I thought I'd check it out!  :-\
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: David In Indy on September 30, 2007, 09:50:44 pm
it says AT YOUR OWN RISK!!

just be glad you weren't here when we was talking periods and stuff!!  ;D

 :laugh: :laugh:

 :P ;)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on September 30, 2007, 09:57:16 pm
just be glad you weren't here when we was talking periods and stuff!!  ;D
Who sez he wasn't here!!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on October 01, 2007, 08:05:24 am
What's "felale"? (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_3.gif)

its my new name for the girlies!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on October 01, 2007, 03:53:53 pm
anything you wish!!! Suszie - if you tell me your preference I'll tell you moinde re the length/girth!!! :laugh:

Rhanna feels very grown up - she was sashing about with her always ultra on today apparently!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on October 01, 2007, 10:09:18 pm
ya'll better straighten up in here!!

Straighten up? Never!!
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Post by: Brown Eyes on October 02, 2007, 08:00:18 pm

Funny you're mentioning this today. My daughter is 11 and a half and started her period - today.
*sigh* My Baby!

I was 11 too then, but 9 seems awfully early  :-\

I was 10 when I got mine.  I was in 5th grade at the time... and I ended up being really happy that I had a head start on the girls in my junior high school when it came to understanding how to handle having my period.  Kids... and particularly the boys... at my junior high (6th - 8th grade) were awful (I mean really cruel) about teasing girls when word would get out that they had gotten their periods for the first time.  I'm sure some of those girls are still to this day psychologically impacted by some of the teasing.  I am just so glad that I'm not pubescent anymore.  It was such a tough time... and mostly because kids that age can be so mean.
 :-\
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Post by: shortfiction on October 04, 2007, 04:43:00 pm
I agree with what Leslie said.  Neither a mammogram nor a pelvic exam should hurt too much.  I think that a little discomfort is to be expected... but if either procedure is truly painful, then the practitioner is doing something wrong.  Be sure to speak up for yourself if you feel pain in those procedures.  Don't take the doctor's behavior for granted... you definitely have the right to speak up if you're uncomfortable.

For me, I almost always get bad cramps (sort of like menstrual cramps) following a pelvic exam, so yes, I often take Tylenol or something. But, usually the exam itself doesn't hurt (cause sharp pains, etc.).

Well, I took a Tylenol this morning, then let the dr. at my campus health center do the women's exam.   And I survived it!!
This is a major accomplishment for me as you might have gathered from what I said earlier.
Also, I am pretty sure the assistant in my regular doc's office must have done something wrong last year when she tried and failed to complete the Pap, because now I recall bleeding for several days afterwards.   
No such problem this time.

Whew.   the doc even said I might get to be excused from any more Paps for 2 to 3 years.    8)


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Post by: Kelda on October 04, 2007, 05:05:34 pm
well done sf!!
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Post by: nic on October 08, 2007, 01:31:53 am
Room for a small one in this thread?  It gave me a giggle, like being back in girls' school & having a girlie chat at break time :)  I guess if the conversation turns to hot guys we all know which ones we're going to go for!

On the hair removal thing it is shaving & epilating for me, ever since I got suckered into buying a natty little travel epilator from a shopping channel.  I used to home wax but got fed up with waiting for enough to grow back & all the fiddling around.  I couldn't let anyone else wax me though  :o  For a start I'm far too miserly to pay for it  ;)
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Post by: Kelda on October 08, 2007, 03:35:00 am
Always room Nic!! Its fun tio chat and be girly sometimes!

Now - please explain the epilator to me - Nobody I know uses such a thing but I think I may be tempted. How does it work? And are they expensive to buy? On what body parts can you use it? legs too?
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Post by: nic on October 08, 2007, 10:50:00 pm
OK, here's an intro to the epilator!  :)  I had tried one years ago & hated it so when I bought this one I truly thought I had been suckered in by the advertising & was prepared to send it back if I didn't like it. It is about half the price of the normal sized ones & came with a definite money-back guarantee so I don't think I would have tried epilating other than happening to spot this.  Being a small travel-sized one it is not as scary as the full-size ones.  However, I think the bigger ones have improved a lot recently & I may invest in one later. An epilaltor basically has the rotating head with rows of little pincers, but they are not sharp pincers, and they do not pinch the skin despite the fear they will!  You can run it over the back of the hand or even your face & you won't feel a thing. 

The noise can be scary, as it is motorised so it has a loud machinery type noise which is not nice.  Again, this is minimised on my small one.  The way to use it is to run it across the skin a few times and the hairs disappear!  You can feel it but soon get used it and I find that I get more involved with using it, moving on to the next area & seeing the smooth skin left behind that any discomfort is not noticed.  I'd say it is a shade less uncomfortable than waxing. It is continuous so easier to get used to the sensation. 

The main advantages are that it's all in one handheld device (mine has batteries so is cordless) so no faffing and grow back is slow, but I guess it may vary from person to person.  It can be used on really short hairs and I find I don't get any redness afterwards.  With waxing sometimes the odd hair is missed which used to drive me mad but not a problem with my little device! I think if you are prone to ingrowing hairs from waxing you would probably get them with epilating too though.  I use it all over (although I don't do a lot on the bkini area) and it is great, especially for underarms.  It can even be used on the face too for women that may have facial hair from hormone issues.

Well, I didn't think I'd have so much to say on that subject!! I don't think I know anyone else that uses one but I guess there might be quite a few as there are loads available. 

Btw, I did have a few sessions of laser hair removal a few years ago as I thought it would be a good investment.  It was soooo painful so I soon gave it up.  Just remembering what it was like makes me shudder  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on October 08, 2007, 11:38:24 pm
I was 10 when I got mine.  I was in 5th grade at the time... and I ended up being really happy that I had a head start on the girls in my junior high school when it came to understanding how to handle having my period.  Kids... and particularly the boys... at my junior high (6th - 8th grade) were awful (I mean really cruel) about teasing girls when word would get out that they had gotten their periods for the first time.  I'm sure some of those girls are still to this day psychologically impacted by some of the teasing.  I am just so glad that I'm not pubescent anymore.  It was such a tough time... and mostly because kids that age can be so mean.
 :-\

I agree 100%, Amanda, about what a tough time that was...I was in 6th grade, so that made me 10 too.  I'm worried about a seeming overall trend for girls to start menstruating at earlier and earlier ages.  My mother was 15, I think she said.  I want to blame it on hormones in the food supply, but that may just be a conspiracy theory.  Anyhow I find it worrisome that children so young are maturing sexually when it just doesn't seem possible that they can have the emotional or social maturity needed for dealing with all the stuff that comes with it.

I remember I had to get my 6th grade teacher, Mrs. Shasteen, to convince my mother I was old enough for a bra.  The boys were merciless if they could see your nipples  through your shirt!  ::)  I still hold that one against Mom if the subject comes up!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on October 08, 2007, 11:48:43 pm
I agree 100%, Amanda, about what a tough time that was...I was in 6th grade, so that made me 10 too.  I'm worried about a seeming overall trend for girls to start menstruating at earlier and earlier ages.  My mother was 15, I think she said.  I want to blame it on hormones in the food supply, but that may just be a conspiracy theory.  Anyhow I find it worrisome that children so young are maturing sexually when it just doesn't seem possible that they can have the emotional or social maturity needed for dealing with all the stuff that comes with it.

I remember I had to get my 6th grade teacher, Mrs. Shasteen, to convince my mother I was old enough for a bra.  The boys were merciless if they could see your nipples  through your shirt!  ::)  I still hold that one against Mom if the subject comes up!


I honestly don't even remember getting my first bra.  That seems kind of wierd since it often feels like such a big deal.  But, I *do* remember that old trick of kids snapping the bra strap against my back as a "prank."  So things were tough if you didn't have one and tough if you did!
 ::)


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on October 09, 2007, 12:00:40 am
I honestly don't even remember getting my first bra.  That seems kind of wierd since it often feels like such a big deal.  But, I *do* remember that old trick of kids snapping the bra strap against my back as a "prank."  So things were tough if you didn't have one and tough if you did!
 ::)

Yep, Kirby the cute and entirely full-of-himself boy who sat behind me - it was his favorite pasttime.

I also had the cool communal menstrual cycles while living in the dorms - all of our suitemates were in sync.  I think it's the moon's fault, maybe, like the tides... ;)

Lee - sounds like you have a good sense of your femaleness.  I don't, myself, and I'm not sure why.  I don't have many of the stereotypical girl habits like shopping or shoes.  I only wear makeup when it seems pretty necessary.  I don't feel particularly nurturing or gentle or whatever.  This sounds bad in a mysanthropic way, but I think I've been proudest in my femininity at times when I've succeeded at male-dominated activities - getting my physics degree 2 of 10 were female my year; tae kwon do - I've almost reveled at those times and that seems a little bent to me.

I do remember the very first time I ovulated and felt it - was only a few months back.  I keep track of such things, and it felt so much like PMS that I decided early-onset menopause had set in.  :laugh: :laugh:

Now I've rationalized it that it's my body's biological clock ticking but there's no way I'll be listening to that anytime soon.  Thinking about that plastic surgery thread?  Maybe we need one 'To freeze or not to freeze (ova)?  ::) :D

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on October 09, 2007, 12:03:36 am
i was in 4th grade when i got my first bra.. it was size 32A.  I remember.. 
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Post by: Lynne on October 09, 2007, 12:07:22 am
i was in 4th grade when i got my first bra.. it was size 32A.  I remember.. 

Cool beans - sounds like your parents were on the ball instead of Denialville with my Mom!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on October 09, 2007, 12:12:50 am
It was really embarrassing getting fitted for my first bra.. they tried it on over my shirt right in the store.. not the dressing room!   could you imagine?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on October 09, 2007, 12:21:50 am
Man, if we're not already in therapy, we prob'ly need to be.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on October 09, 2007, 01:00:33 am
Man, if we're not already in therapy, we prob'ly need to be.   ;D ;D

thats the truth  :D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: nic on October 09, 2007, 02:35:07 am
...I'm worried about a seeming overall trend for girls to start menstruating at earlier and earlier ages.  ...

Are girls menstruating earlier?  They used to marry girls off at very young ages in past times so I am wondering if they also started their childbearing earlier in those days & it only became later during times when the population exploded and nutritional standards declined for many that the onset became later.  I am also worried about artificial hormones everywhere & also just messing about with hormones in general - things like HRT and the Pill. 

Earlier & earlier sexualisation of girls is definitely a problem. Just yesterday in the news there was a story about girls as young as 7 or 8 going to pole-dancing classes for fitness.  The argument for it was the pole was just being used as a tool to help with the exercise.  I think most people were firmly not in favour! 

 :laugh: I'm laughing at first bra stories, but with you not at you!  :)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on October 09, 2007, 03:59:01 am
oooooooh I might inevst in a little epilator.
Are they expensive?

Did anyone get a crop top to wear before they got an actual bra - i felt so grown up when i got that!
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Post by: nic on October 09, 2007, 09:08:49 pm
Well, good luck if you try epilating Susie & Kelda - remember that is only my experience though.  My mini one was about half-price the normal sized epilator.  I think they normally range from maybe 30-60GBP.  I have only seen the mini one available from the TV shopping chanel,not in the shops, but I just remembered the normal ones usually come with an additional smaller head too.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on October 09, 2007, 11:52:13 pm
I don't remember when I got my first bra...do remember the contempt my aunt met the idea with though...She thought it was outrageous for a girl my age to wear one. Which I thought/think is stupid...you get the bra when you NEED it..not at some specified age!  ::)

my first period was in the third grade.  :P

the same year I had my first sexual crush...a gorgeous golden haired boy named Kenneth (not Ken). He had always been my main squeeze as it were...but I remember one day he had to go get a shot...he came back with his shirt pulled down, exposing his shoulder and upper arm.. holding the arm like he was in agony...I remember looking at that golden brown smooth skin...looked like velvet, I thought it would be warm. Wanted to touch him there..


then the next year he had the GALL to laugh at me for losing a spelling contest and I SLAPPED his face...right in front of everyone!

oh, and then there was the time he fell and tore the knee of his pants.. and word spread like WILDFIRE that you could see his LONGJOHNS!!  :o :o :o

I couldn't WAIT for the class I had with him....straining to catch a glimpse...but he had gone in the bathroom and taken them off. I was so disappointed....

(of course now that I am older, I realize it was HOTTER to think he was sitting there with NO UNDERWEAR!!)

I think I still have a crush on him...what ya'll think?  :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: nic on October 10, 2007, 08:26:40 pm
First crushes  :laugh:

I was surprised to find one of mine on one of these websites for renuniting old school friends.  My friend & I used to phone him up from a phone box then hang up without saying anything.  When we left primary school he wrote the Roses are Red rhyme in my autograph book but instead of the traditional version  with "sugar is sweet & so are you" as the last line, he wrote "sugar is sweet, what happened to you?"!  I was devastated! 

Anyway, his entry on the website I looked up had photos of him & his kids.  To my mortification he was somewhat overweight, mostly bald and had glasses - not that there is anything wrong with that & I'm not an oilpainting myself, but compared to my childhood vision it was a rude shock !! 
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on October 11, 2007, 04:09:40 am
My first crush (little-girl style) Eric ended up marrying my stepfather's youngest sister.  Icky things like that happen in the South.  Thank goodness we were a 3rd grade item and it only lasted maybe a month!  :laugh:

My first real crush (post-getting the bra) was that guy Kirby who sat behind me tormenting me.  He became a pro-water-skiier and moved down Florida way.  Guess I could look him up if I tried; his family is still in the area, last I heard.  And by high school he'd become a good guy.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on October 15, 2007, 06:02:59 pm
Ah, crushes, what memories they bring back!

How about my six year old crush, a kid named Peter...blond hair, blue eyes. We played doctor together! LOL

My first junior high boyfriend-y sort of crush was a guy I'll call KG. We did everything in a group in those days and we didn't really date, but I did get invited to his Bar Mitzvah. That was fun.

About 10 years ago I heard he was living in Maine so I found his phone number and called him up. I got his answering machine with the message, "You have reached the home of "K" and Lou." I left a message and he called me back and left a message on my machine. He was polite but to the point: "I have broken all ties with friends from my younger days. Please don't call again." Thinking about it, I decided that "Lou" was probably a male Lou and KG was gay. It didn't surprise me too much but I was disappointed that he didn't trust any friends from his past to understand and accept him now.

He is a professional musician and a few years ago he was performing in the production of "Forever Plaid" at the Ogunquit Playhouse. I got tickets and went to the show. He looked good. He was definitely playing the part of the beatnik musician, all dressed in black, but he was still trim and had all his hair. It was fun to see him but I didn't go backstage afterwards, honoring his previous request.

L
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katness on January 16, 2008, 02:36:50 am
I got 2 spots 2 days ago. Today I'm knackered, have no concentration and grumpy - guess what! My period just started! Even if my cycle wasn't like clockwork (cos I'm on the pill and have been for 9 years) I could tell a mile away when it was about to start.

GHA!!

Oh the joys of PMS. *has an extremely sarcastic look on her face*

I'll usually start of extremely irritable, angry, and on the verge of tears. Then once it comes I'll feel very horny, hyper/charged and very uhhh kinky. And usually, both my sister and John (my sister's boyfriend) when I'm in the beginning stages will leave me alone during my irritability. As they learnt a long time ago that talking to me is not on in that mood.

And on the subject of waxing, I refuse to get anything waxed. I prefer to shave instead. I'm a wuss when it comes to waxing. I mean just taking dressing off from my surgery was enough.

And on the subject of crushes. I never really had a crush while in high school. As everyone was too young for my liking. However when I moved up here when I was 20. I met my sister's best friends her name was Lou (nickname). She was 30 years old. I also knew that she would be fine with that, so I told her. Unfortunately she is heterosexual (just my luck  :-\) but then she and my sister ended up not talking to each other anymore and their friendship fizzled. I did run into her down the street a few times as she lives in the same town I live in. She's pregnant now. And I think her child is due quite soon.

There was another woman I fell for too. Cate (again nickname) she was in my TAFE class, we were both getting our year 10 equivalent. And we became friends. Not close friends, but both of us being the oldest ones in the class we ended up hanging together. She was/is 28. She had left home at 14 and fended for herself. Worked as a bartender. However, I got this vibe that if she knew that I liked her she would become uncomfortable. So I didn't tell her. She asked me one day though if I was gay. I said yes, she said "See? I couldn't kiss a woman. I need a man" at which point my head said Damn, I always seem to pick the heterosexual ones.

Sincerely, Kat.
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Post by: Kelda on January 16, 2008, 03:08:51 pm
Thanks for resurecting this thread. Yes, I'm also a wuss - I am not into the thought of waxing - plus you have to let it grow in first. The most excruciating thing I can think of is getting your arm pits waxed. Yeow! Or moustache I think I'll stick to  bleaching. Which seaking of which, I really need to do!
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Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 16, 2008, 03:38:13 pm



         you bleach your armpits too, or the mustache
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Post by: Kelda on January 16, 2008, 04:30:20 pm


         you bleach your armpits too, or the mustache


 :laugh: just the 'tash!
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Post by: injest on January 16, 2008, 08:22:37 pm
:laugh: just the 'tash!

it is not like the one Jack had is it?? cause I am not sure bleach is gonna cut it....
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on January 17, 2008, 04:13:02 pm
*sticks tounge out at Jess*
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 11:02:43 am
Advice needed.

I don't know that there is anything to be done about this. BUT....if someone knows of something, let me know, please.

I have light colored skin, but my eyelids and under eye area is very dark. With no make - up -- it's raccoon city. I know about concealer. I have some that is used for people who have to cover scars or dark birthmarks. But is there some kind of vitamin deficiency at work here or is there some procedure or action that can diminish the darkness?

Thanks in advance.  8)  
 
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Post by: Front-Ranger on January 21, 2008, 11:17:49 am
I had that problem for several YEARS after my children were born!! But finally I went back to getting enuff sleep and it went away...but then the wrinkles appeared!! There are creams that have bleach in them that you can put on at night. I used it on sun damage spots on my upper lip. And they worked okay but just applying sunscreen religiously worked almost as well.

I also use something called Vitamin A moisture mask from...Boots? The Body Shop? one of those. Instead of applying it and then taking it off like a mask, I put it on my face just like a moisturizer and let it sink in, just wiping off any excess. I also apply it at night. It works really well, and gives your whole face radiance. There are also moisturizers that reflect light that make the deep-set portions of your face appear lighter.

How about applying bronzer to the rest of your face so it is a little darker? That might work better than trying to lighten the eye area.
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 11:37:22 am
I had that problem for several YEARS after my children were born!! But finally I went back to getting enuff sleep and it went away...but then the wrinkles appeared!! There are creams that have bleach in them that you can put on at night. I used it on sun damage spots on my upper lip. And they worked okay but just applying sunscreen religiously worked almost as well.

I also use something called Vitamin A moisture mask from...Boots? The Body Shop? one of those. Instead of applying it and then taking it off like a mask, I put it on my face just like a moisturizer and let it sink in, just wiping off any excess. I also apply it at night. It works really well, and gives your whole face radiance. There are also moisturizers that reflect light that make the deep-set portions of your face appear lighter.

How about applying bronzer to the rest of your face so it is a little darker? That might work better than trying to lighten the eye area.


Thank you, Lee. Those are some good ideas for me to try. My eyes DO get darker with less sleep -- I get 4-5 hours a night during the week and a lot more than that on weekends. So getting more sleep would help.

I will have to try to find some of the Vitamin A mask -- I'll look it up on Google. Never thought of the bronzer. That might work too.


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Post by: BelAir on January 21, 2008, 12:51:21 pm
4 - 5 hours/night is not very much!!

 :o
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 01:01:59 pm
4 - 5 hours/night is not very much!!

 :o

I know!! I try to catch up on weekends, but I know that's not the same as getting 7-8 hours every night on a regular basis!  :P  ;D
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Post by: Penthesilea on January 21, 2008, 01:45:49 pm
But is there some kind of vitamin deficiency at work here or is there some procedure or action that can diminish the darkness?

The racoon-look can be a hint that a person has problems with their kidneys. Hopefully that's not the case, but you could keep it in the back of your mind and ask your doc next time you see him.
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 05:01:12 pm
The racoon-look can be a hint that a person has problems with their kidneys. Hopefully that's not the case, but you could keep it in the back of your mind and ask your doc next time you see him.

EEK!! Ok -- I will. But I've had it to some extent for a long, long time. So I hope it's just from lack of sleep, genetics, thinning skin due to age --- ugh!!! that's not so great either!!!  :P  8)  ;D
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Post by: Penthesilea on January 21, 2008, 05:21:38 pm
EEK!! Ok -- I will. But I've had it to some extent for a long, long time. So I hope it's just from lack of sleep, genetics, thinning skin due to age --- ugh!!! that's not so great either!!!  :P  8)  ;D

My husband also has had it for ages. That's why I know about the possible connection with kidney problems. Luckily, his kidneys are just fine.

But you're right, the other combination of causes isn't too great either  ;) :laugh:
Oh well, mother nature sure has given you a fair trade-off for it. Either you'll stay healthy like a horse until you reach 90, or you don't get orange-peel skin, or your teeth are arragned beautifully even (this comes from a person who knows that uneven teeth are not a simple cosmetic problem, but also will cause health problems once you're not 20 anymore  ::)).
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Post by: Dobie1018 on January 21, 2008, 05:37:05 pm
Hi Shasta,  As I grow older, I am noticing the under-eye darkness a little more, but then again, I, like you, know I don't get enough sleep at night either.  When I do manage to get  7 hours of sleep a night for several nights in a row, it seems to help.  Seven hours seems to be the golden number for me.  I don't notice the darkness and my face doesn't look so tired.  My 4 legged hairy "kids" wake me up early to let them outside, and to eat, so that doesn't help either.  On weekends, they don't know it's the weekend, and they wake up pretty much the same time as they do during the week.  I usually go to bed around 11:00/11:30 PM and get up weekdays at 5:30 AM.  Weekends I usually get up about 6:30 AM/7:00 AM.  There never seems to be enough hours in the day, does there?
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Post by: Lumičre on January 21, 2008, 05:40:06 pm
Advice needed.

I don't know that there is anything to be done about this. BUT....if someone knows of something, let me know, please.

I have light colored skin, but my eyelids and under eye area is very dark. With no make - up -- it's raccoon city. I know about concealer. I have some that is used for people who have to cover scars or dark birthmarks. But is there some kind of vitamin deficiency at work here or is there some procedure or action that can diminish the darkness?

Thanks in advance.  8) 
 

I think a really good moisturizer (rich in vitamin K & E) for around the eyes can go a long way.

I have a friend who used skin lighteners to reduce the darkness around her eyes, but then you'd have to be sure of what creams you use because of the sensitive nature of the skin ...

And other thing - get plenty of sleep!  :)
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 05:50:32 pm
I think a really good moisturizer (rich in vitamin K & E) for around the eyes can go a long way.

I have a friend who used skin lighteners to reduce the darkness around her eyes, but then you'd have to be sure of what creams you use because of the sensitive nature of the skin ...

And other thing - get plenty of sleep!  :)

Thank you, Lucise. From what everyone says, I think I am going to have to start going to bed earlier!!  ;) And use the moisturizers before going!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 05:53:29 pm
Hi Shasta,  As I grow older, I am noticing the under-eye darkness a little more, but then again, I, like you, know I don't get enough sleep at night either.  When I do manage to get  7 hours of sleep a night for several nights in a row, it seems to help.  Seven hours seems to be the golden number for me.  I don't notice the darkness and my face doesn't look so tired.  My 4 legged hairy "kids" wake me up early to let them outside, and to eat, so that doesn't help either.  On weekends, they don't know it's the weekend, and they wake up pretty much the same time as they do during the week.  I usually go to bed around 11:00/11:30 PM and get up weekdays at 5:30 AM.  Weekends I usually get up about 6:30 AM/7:00 AM.  There never seems to be enough hours in the day, does there?  

You are right, Dobie!! I rarely get anything finished!! I've just about stopped dusting because the dust covering just reappears within 3 or 4 days -- with all the dogs -- so what's the use?!! LOL
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Post by: serious crayons on January 21, 2008, 05:56:09 pm
I have a friend who used skin lighteners to reduce the darkness around her eyes, but then you'd have to be sure of what creams you use because of the sensitive nature of the skin ...

I was going to suggest that earlier, but I think it depends on whether the under-eye darkness is the result of skin pigmentation -- in which lighteners would help -- or skin that's just translucent enough to show what's going on underneath. In other words, these undereye circles aren't bruises (I don't know what causes them, actually), but if you put lightener on a bruise I don't think it does anything.

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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 05:56:34 pm
My husband also has had it for ages. That's why I know about the possible connection with kidney problems. Luckily, his kidneys are just fine.

But you're right, the other combination of causes isn't too great either  ;) :laugh:
Oh well, mother nature sure has given you a fair trade-off for it. Either you'll stay healthy like a horse until you reach 90, or you don't get orange-peel skin, or your teeth are arragned beautifully even (this comes from a person who knows that uneven teeth are not a simple cosmetic problem, but also will cause health problems once you're not 20 anymore  ::)).

We don't get a choice on the fair trade, do we? If so, I'd like my trade-off to be a 38-26-35 figure!!!  ;D
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 06:02:48 pm
I was going to suggest that earlier, but I think it depends on whether the under-eye darkness is the result of skin pigmentation -- in which lighteners would help -- or skin that's just translucent enough to show what's going on underneath. In other words, these undereye circles aren't bruises (I don't know what causes them, actually), but if you put lightener on a bruise I don't think it does anything.



That's probably right, Katherine.

I went to eat lunch with my cousin (who did have to work today) and I wore the camouflage make-up around my eyes -- she is an expert at putting on make-up and I am NOT. The less, the better to me. Anyway, she complimented my eye make-up today. Maybe I need to use that more often. It's heavy and I don't like to wear it, but I guess it works pretty well at covering the darkness.
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Post by: Brokeback_Dev on January 21, 2008, 06:06:54 pm
I get circles under my eyes when I worry a lot and dont get enough sleep..   Like in the pics of the WC Florida Brokie meet.   Its my daughter again..   Doesnt matter how old they are, they still worry you..  I had a terrible nights sleep night before I met up with Truman, Bob and Steve.  The concealer that I used didnt cover the circles, and my eyes were puffy too.  Makeup does wonders for my looks most of the time.  I got blood work done last week and the results are all fine.  So thats a good thing.  For me this whole aging thing is a difficult transition.  I dont like it!
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 06:25:25 pm
I get circles under my eyes when I worry a lot and dont get enough sleep..   Like in the pics of the WC Florida Brokie meet.   Its my daughter again..   Doesnt matter how old they are, they still worry you..  I had a terrible nights sleep night before I met up with Truman, Bob and Steve.  The concealer that I used didnt cover the circles, and my eyes were puffy too.  Makeup does wonders for my looks most of the time.  I got blood work done last week and the results are all fine.  So thats a good thing.  For me this whole aging thing is a difficult transition.  I dont like it!

I don't like it either, Dev!  >:(  I guess it's inevitable, but I still feel very young in my mind -- my body says different tho. Sometimes I look in the mirror expecting a girl and I see this 50 + year old lady looking back!!  :-\ It's a bummer.
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Post by: Dobie1018 on January 21, 2008, 10:06:47 pm
You sound so much like me, Shasta, with the dust and the animals and the age (I'm in my early 50's).  Did you ever think you'd get to be the age you are?  I didn't.  I often wonder how I got to be the age I am so quickly!  When you said you look in the mirror and expect to see a girl, and you see a 50+ lady, I feel exactly the same way.  I don't feel any different than when I was in my 20's & 30's; maybe a little wiser and more mature, but to me, I'll think we'll alwaybe be girls!!!
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 10:42:12 pm
You sound so much like me, Shasta, with the dust and the animals and the age (I'm in my early 50's).  Did you ever think you'd get to be the age you are?  I didn't.  I often wonder how I got to be the age I am so quickly!  When you said you look in the mirror and expect to see a girl, and you see a 50+ lady, I feel exactly the same way.  I don't feel any different than when I was in my 20's & 30's; maybe a little wiser and more mature, but to me, I'll think we'll alwaybe be girls!!!

I know. I keep pushing up my definition of middle age. LOL. But not that many people live to be 106!  :laugh: 
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Post by: Front-Ranger on January 21, 2008, 11:22:56 pm
I also use something called Vitamin A moisture mask from...Boots? The Body Shop? one of those. Instead of applying it and then taking it off like a mask, I put it on my face just like a moisturizer and let it sink in, just wiping off any excess. I also apply it at night. It works really well, and gives your whole face radiance.

Sorry! I got the name of this product all screwed up. It is by Botanics and it's called Vitamin Recovery Mask. Hope you can find it!
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 11:39:51 pm
Is it:

http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/detail?prodid=339030 (http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/detail?prodid=339030)
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Post by: Front-Ranger on January 21, 2008, 11:45:14 pm
Yup, that's it! I have some slathered on my face right now!
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 21, 2008, 11:55:45 pm
Yup, that's it! I have some slathered on my face right now!


 ;D

I'm gonna order some! (Or can I get it at Dillard's?)
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Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 12:01:47 am
The only place I can get Boots in the U.S. is at Target.  ???
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Post by: Shasta542 on January 22, 2008, 12:07:26 am
Even better! Thanks, Lee!   ;D
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Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 22, 2008, 01:57:56 am

       I have had those circles too Shasta.  All my life.  i asked the docs about it.  They said it is a combination of two things
fair skin, and deep set eyes usually.  The dark is the skin allowing the hollow areas to show thru/  I was told that you
cannot eleminate them, you just have to conceal them the best yu can.
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Post by: serious crayons on January 22, 2008, 02:06:10 am
Re concealer: I have really liked using mineral makeup, which I started using about a year ago. Bare Minerals is one famous brand, available at Sephora but kind of expensive. Physician's Forumal Mineral Wear, available in drug stores and much less expensive, is another. It's powder but also works as coverup or foundation. It's easy to brush on. It supposedly sits on the surface of skin and can be left on, even overnight, without harming skin. It does a pretty good job of coverup without feeling as cakey or fake as lotions or creams or sticks. It's pretty long-lasting. Supposedly it also has sunscreen properties.

OK, there, I feel like I've written an advertisement. But since I started using mineral makeup, I've used nothing but.


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Post by: Brokeback_Dev on January 22, 2008, 05:59:15 pm
I don't like it either, Dev!  >:(  I guess it's inevitable, but I still feel very young in my mind -- my body says different tho. Sometimes I look in the mirror expecting a girl and I see this 50 + year old lady looking back!!  :-\ It's a bummer.

Shasta, Im not quite 50 yet, but I can really relate to what you said here.  I think its true "You are only as old as you feel" In my head I feel and think young, but sometimes my body tells me hey lady you're not twenty anymore.  Damn!
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Post by: Shasta542 on February 02, 2008, 04:06:48 pm
Lee -- I went to Target today and got the Boots Botanic Vitamin Recovery Mask, and just for good measure, the moisturizing eye cream. LOL  8)

I'll let ya know.  :)
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Post by: Katness on February 03, 2008, 04:11:38 am
       I have had those circles too Shasta.  All my life.  i asked the docs about it.  They said it is a combination of two things
fair skin, and deep set eyes usually.  The dark is the skin allowing the hollow areas to show thru/  I was told that you
cannot eleminate them, you just have to conceal them the best yu can.

Uhh, I'm only 23 and I've got them. Probably more faintly then you guys, though. But for me it is most likely because I have the habit of getting some sleep one night then staying up about 24 hours. But they don't really bother me. Although, I do notice them more on some days then others.
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Post by: Nevermore on February 03, 2008, 05:18:25 am
They are the bane of my existence--I have all the characteristics your derm described, very fair skin with a bluish undertone, so they just leap out at you. The skin of the face is thinnest under the eyes, and if you are already pale you probaby have fairly thin skin, so the blood vessels really stand out. I already have the kind of bone structure that shows them off, high cheekbones, thin-ish cheeks,and really deepset eyes (this tends to get more pronounced with age, I've noticed--yay!)--and when I've not had much sleep, stayed up drinking red wine and eating salty things, I look like Keith Richards the day after.
Back when I was in design school, I was working a full graveyard and then going to class all day, and I'd have to give regular presentations that might be attended by future employers so I'd have to look halfway presentable, and you'll laugh at what I used: Preparation H. It sounds crazy, but if you think about it, it works by shrinking inflamed blood vessels, and that's what causes those horrid dark circles.
I'd put it under my eyes in the morning--yeah, it's gloppy and sticky and you probably don't want to get it in your eyes, slather the rest of my face with Clinique Moisture Surge, then when that was absorbed, I'd slap Clinique Total Turnaround cream over it (tightens the skin and leaves it feeling nice and soft), and pound water all day. Then just before I had to go out there, put Estee Lauder Spotlight cream on--it has really soft rosy gold light-reflecting particles in it,probably  like that Prescriptives mineral  stuff, subtle shimmer, not disco glitter.
Result, even if I felt like death, I did not look like I was about to start singing Paint it Black, and if it worked for me, it would probably work for anyone.
No, I do not work for Estee Lauder or Clinique, by the way!
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Post by: Kelda on February 03, 2008, 09:19:24 am
wow.. see the problem is would I have the patience to do all this?

Nice to meet you by the way Nevermore
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Post by: Shasta542 on February 03, 2008, 09:56:25 am
Quote
...I look like Keith Richards the day after...

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

I have those deep-set eyes, too. When I was in my teens, one of my relatives told me I looked like my great-grandmother. Thanks, auntie.  :P
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Post by: serious crayons on February 03, 2008, 01:33:19 pm
Another option: glasses. I have not dark circles but bags under my eyes. Luckily, I started wearing glasses in my 40s. The lower edge of the frames coincides with the outlines of the bags, so you can't really see them. But now I know the explanation for what I noticed as a kid: people who wear glasses, when they take them off to rub their eyes or polish the lenses, look weirdly baggy-eyed and older.



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Post by: Fran on February 03, 2008, 02:36:26 pm
When my eyes started drying out and I had to stop wearing my contact lenses, I switched to glasses.  They do hide the dark circles, IMO.

Or maybe I'm just fooling myself and they're really magnifying them.  (just kidding)  :)
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Post by: Nevermore on February 04, 2008, 04:10:11 am
wow.. see the problem is would I have the patience to do all this?

Nice to meet you by the way Nevermore

Likewise.

And yes, its easy, just scoop stuff from jars and--done, no mirror required. What I would not have the patience for is a concealer routine, and I would just end up looking like a fashion Don't in one of those "What Not to Wear" columns in the magazines. Of course, if you are really pressed for time, you can go the other direction and incorporate them into your look with tons of smoky eyeliner--that can work too, though probably not if you work in a bank or law firm. Or if you're my age--sad old goth rocker, coming through!
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Post by: Brown Eyes on February 06, 2008, 01:35:05 am
Heya,

I have a question related to eyes. 

Today, just to be kooky I decided on a whim to wear mascara to work.  Since I rarely wear it (and have rarely worn it in the past) I'm not as familiar with all the ins-and-outs of this cosmetic product as some.  So, I hope I don't sound too hopelessly naive when I ask this. 

What is the best method for removing mascara (I mean the fancy, waterproof, smudge-proof, etc. kind)?  I mean getting it thoroughly and completely off.  I feel like I just nearly scrubbed my eye-lids off and still I don't feel like my eyelashes are entirely clean.  I feel like I have black glue on my eyelashes that just won't come off in certain places.

 ???



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Post by: Shasta542 on February 06, 2008, 01:57:35 am
Hi Amanda. I don't use it much either because my eyes are so sensitive. On the rare occasions, I use Vaseline or baby oil to get it off. There are products exclusively for removing mascara, but I don't have any of those.  
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Post by: serious crayons on February 06, 2008, 03:13:15 am
Hey Bud, I rarely use mascara, even though my eyelashes are practically clear, because I dye them instead. How weird -- at 50, I don't dye my hair, but I've been dying my eyelashes since I was in my 20s.

Anyway, I do very occasionally wear mascara for extra oomph on special occasions, and when I do it's that smudge-proof kind. I just wash my face the normal way and if there's some left on I don't worry about it. I just figure that will add a little color the next day, when I probably won't re-apply mascara. However, if I really really wanted to get it off, there are special eye-makeup-removal products. I think I have some little pads that are specifically designed for eye-makeup. I've never used them, for the aforementioned reasons. But if I needed to, that's where I'd turn.

Another possibility: baby oil. That's what I recall using in my 20s, when I did wear mascara more often.
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Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 06, 2008, 08:19:01 am
Lee -- I went to Target today and got the Boots Botanic Vitamin Recovery Mask, and just for good measure, the moisturizing eye cream. LOL  8)

I'll let ya know.  :)


I've started to use Burt's Bees oil the past few years - the whole name is Burt's Bee's Vitamin E Bath & Body oil.  It's for general moisturizing, but I rub it on my face, with a few additional drops around the eyes, after showering.  If you do that before toweling off and apply it to damp skin, your skin absorbs it very fast and it has a nice fresh lemony scent. 

You can get it at Target, at the "natural foods" or "whole foods" departments of many supermarkets, or order it on their website here. (http://tinyurl.com/36tawr)
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Post by: Shasta542 on February 06, 2008, 08:27:03 am
I've started to use Burt's Bees oil the past few years - the whole name is Burt's Bee's Vitamin E Bath & Body oil.  It's for general moisturizing, but I rub it on my face, with a few additional drops around the eyes, after showering.  If you do that before toweling off and apply it to damp skin, your skin absorbs it very fast and it has a nice fresh lemony scent. 

I have used some of Burt's Bees products, but never that particular one. I'll have to try that one next. I have some of the hand and lip balms, and I like them.
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Post by: nic on February 06, 2008, 10:38:47 pm
I only ever use "soap" and water to clean my face where "soap" = a soap-free cleanser, ie no nasty drying fake foaming agents.  I use it with a muslin face flannel so can scrub a little & there's no problem getting mascara off but I don't use the waterproof, smudgeproof all-singing all-dancing kinds!  A good mascara made from natural/organic products is Dr Hauschka's - it is the most clump free I've ever encountered. 
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Post by: Shasta542 on March 12, 2008, 08:37:50 pm
Front-Ranger!

I have been using the Boots Botanic Vitamin Recovery Mask, and I love it!!

It does make my skin brighter and I think that helps my dark circles appear less pronounced!

If I'd use it every nite, it would really help, but I skip nites sometimes -- just because -- I don't know why. I don't have a routine, I guess.

THANKS!!!! for the good advice! To Lee and everyone!
 
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Post by: Brown Eyes on March 12, 2008, 08:38:23 pm
Thanks for the advice about mascara a while back Buds. :)


OK, so, now I have an almost ridiculously girlie question.  This weekend I really need to go bra shopping.  It's really time for me to invest in a few new bras, but I absolutely loathe this type of shopping trip.  I tend to put this errand off as long as possible.  So, my question is... I've read in magazines and seen on T.V. here and there the recommendation that it's a good idea to get a professional fitting done at a nice store (at least one time to get a good and accurate idea of your real size).  Has anyone had a professional fitting before?  And, if so, is it worth it?  To me, it sounds almost mind-numbingly embarassing or awkward.  But, I'd really be curious to know if it would be worth the effort.


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Post by: Shasta542 on March 12, 2008, 08:42:00 pm
I have had a professional fitting before, but it has been YEARS ago!!! So things have changed -- a lot.

It was for a certain brand of bra and a lady came to our work to do the fittings. The thought of it was more embarrassing than the actual measuring/fitting which wasn't at all awkward. The lady was very business-like and matter-of-fact.

I remember that I really liked the bra (do not remember the brand) and I think it was worth it.
 
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Post by: Katness on March 12, 2008, 10:10:15 pm
Thanks for the advice about mascara a while back Buds. :)


OK, so, now I have an almost ridiculously girlie question.  This weekend I really need to go bra shopping.  It's really time for me to invest in a few new bras, but I absolutely loathe this type of shopping trip.  I tend to put this errand off as long as possible.  So, my question is... I've read in magazines and seen on T.V. here and there the recommendation that it's a good idea to get a professional fitting done at a nice store (at least one time to get a good and accurate idea of your real size).  Has anyone had a professional fitting before?  And, if so, is it worth it?  To me, it sounds almost mind-numbingly embarassing or awkward.  But, I'd really be curious to know if it would be worth the effort.




The idea of getting a bra fitted doesn't really bother me these days. Well a little, but thats only because I'm self conscious. But, the idea reminds me of when I had to get an ecg done. Had to take my shirt off and my bra. Then lie on a table and have these stickie things put on me. Although, I didn't actually mind as the woman (who was very professional by the way) was quite attractive, so I was too distracted to be self conscious. Heh heh.

Now I'm off back to my Language and Creative Arts class.

Sincerely, Kat.
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Post by: Front-Ranger on March 12, 2008, 10:23:53 pm
Thanks for the advice about mascara a while back Buds. :)


OK, so, now I have an almost ridiculously girlie question.  This weekend I really need to go bra shopping.  It's really time for me to invest in a few new bras, but I absolutely loathe this type of shopping trip.  I tend to put this errand off as long as possible.  So, my question is... I've read in magazines and seen on T.V. here and there the recommendation that it's a good idea to get a professional fitting done at a nice store (at least one time to get a good and accurate idea of your real size).  Has anyone had a professional fitting before?  And, if so, is it worth it?  To me, it sounds almost mind-numbingly embarassing or awkward.  But, I'd really be curious to know if it would be worth the effort.

I think it would be worth the effort if you are not happy with the bras that you have purchased recently.
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Post by: delalluvia on March 12, 2008, 11:12:28 pm
Thanks for the advice about mascara a while back Buds. :)


OK, so, now I have an almost ridiculously girlie question.  This weekend I really need to go bra shopping.  It's really time for me to invest in a few new bras, but I absolutely loathe this type of shopping trip.  I tend to put this errand off as long as possible.  So, my question is... I've read in magazines and seen on T.V. here and there the recommendation that it's a good idea to get a professional fitting done at a nice store (at least one time to get a good and accurate idea of your real size).  Has anyone had a professional fitting before?  And, if so, is it worth it?  To me, it sounds almost mind-numbingly embarassing or awkward.  But, I'd really be curious to know if it would be worth the effort.




I was seriously thinking about getting a professional fitting myself.  I do recommend you go get one.  I'm sure you'll find it very helpful. 

It's up to you, but I doubt I'd find it embarrassing.  I've been getting mammograms for sometime now - not only do you have to go topless in front of the tech, she gets to haul your breasts around into strange and unnatural positions to be squished.
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Post by: injest on March 12, 2008, 11:23:19 pm
I was seriously thinking about getting a professional fitting myself.  I do recommend you go get one.  I'm sure you'll find it very helpful. 

It's up to you, but I doubt I'd find it embarrassing.  I've been getting mammograms for sometime now - not only do you have to go topless in front of the tech, she gets to haul your breasts around into strange and unnatural positions to be squished.

not exactly the most erotic experience is it....
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Post by: serious crayons on March 12, 2008, 11:34:47 pm
It's up to you, but I doubt I'd find it embarrassing.  I've been getting mammograms for sometime now - not only do you have to go topless in front of the tech, she gets to haul your breasts around into strange and unnatural positions to be squished.

Good point. At least the bra fitter isn't going to twist your breasts around and mash them into pancake-flat proportions. Or, if she does, you know that's a bra that REALLY doesn't fit.  ;D

For a bra-fitting-lite, go to Victoria's Secret. They just fling a tape measurer around you a couple of times fully clothed, and give you a size, which is based on the ratio between your bust at the widest point and around your ribcage. Then they give you a bin full of bras in that size to try on. You go into the dressing room, try on the styles you like, figure out which fits best, then go out and buy however many in that style in whatever colors. I find it really convenient, and their bras are pretty good. And of course once you know your size and style you can buy replacements online.

It's SO much better than buying bras in a department store, where you have to keep going back with all kinds of different brands and sizes and styles, most of which don't fit -- and then when you're done, fit the straps back into those teeny little hangers.


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Post by: Brown Eyes on March 13, 2008, 12:25:25 am

It's SO much better than buying bras in a department store, where you have to keep going back with all kinds of different brands and sizes and styles, most of which don't fit -- and then when you're done, fit the straps back into those teeny little hangers.


 :laugh: :laugh:  This goes a long way towards summing up much of what I can't stand about bra shopping.  And, you're totally right!  The teeny hangers are horrible!!!
 :laugh: :-\

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Post by: Kelda on March 13, 2008, 06:41:18 pm
I got a proper fitting at Bravissimo a few months - ago - bes thing I've done in ages.

I went from a 38D - which I thought fitted fine to a 32 FF or a 32G - my shape looks amazing now. It took a bit of gtting used to the tightness of the bra but my shape does look good and I dont hang out of it at all now.


So Id say go get fitted somewhere that is GOOD!

It does not have to be akward now. They're very good at giving your privacy.


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Post by: MsMercury on March 15, 2008, 12:22:22 am
I'm a 36C and I usually just buy Hanes bras. Anyone that shops at Victoria's Secret, can you tell me what bras you like best? As far as support and a little lift. I don't want a lot of lift, don't want clevage around my neck.  :laugh:    I don't like underwires but it's hard to find bras that don't have it. Any suggestions?
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Post by: injest on March 15, 2008, 12:32:25 am
I tried on a shirt with darts....the darts I thought are SUPPOSED to hit right at your nipples...or am I wrong?? well these darts came up PAST the armpits....whose nipples are ABOVE their armpits?? seriously! I dont' think even implants will get you THAT high up in the air! Whose nipples are three inches from their shoulders??

I am gonna go look at nekkid women pictures....if I can find any...I need a ruler...
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Post by: forsythia12 on March 15, 2008, 01:09:59 am
i hear y'all on the bra fitting thing.  i can't find the right size anywhere.  i'm definately getting a pro to 'size me up' next time i'm in nanaimo (closest major city).  there's nothing here for that kind of thing.  i think my cup size needs to go up, and my number needs to go down, thanks to years of breastfeeding and excess skin.  lol

and for all you who need a good female laugh, here's something i saw on mad t.v. a while ago.  very funny.



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Post by: Katie77 on March 15, 2008, 05:11:00 am
I dont wear a bra very often.......but recently did need one and went to a lingerae shop to buy one.

What if found when I was trying them on, was that I needed a bit more in the back, and not as much in the cup....going down a size, made it too tight, going up a size and I did not fill the cup.....Finding the style, then the correct size and cup size combination, was just NOT happening.

Then the lady in the shop showed me these little strips of material, with hooks and eyes, that you clip onto the bra hooks, and give the bra anything up to an extra inch and a half  in the back. OH glory be, I found a lovely style, nice snug cup fit, and with the extra bit clipped on the back, it felt very comfortable.

Not that it converted me...I still hate the darn things, and buy most of my clothes accordingly, so that they can be worn without a bra and still look nice. I'm lucky I am only a small build, and if I want to dress up my breasts and make them look sexy, I find a nice lacy camisole looks pretty.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katness on March 15, 2008, 06:53:45 am
Also, I envy anyone who has a small build/breast size. Me, I'm a 20d and half the time I feel completely idiotic and or ugly, the other half just very peeved. But I guess that will change once I lose some weight. Excellent.

Sincerely, Kat.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: nic on March 17, 2008, 06:31:53 pm
I got a proper fitting at Bravissimo a few months - ago - bes thing I've done in ages.

I went from a 38D - which I thought fitted fine to a 32 FF or a 32G - my shape looks amazing now. It took a bit of gtting used to the tightness of the bra but my shape does look good and I dont hang out of it at all now.


So Id say go get fitted somewhere that is GOOD!

It does not have to be akward now. They're very good at giving your privacy.

We are nearly boob-size twins Kelda- I am 30G! (well I was before getting preggers!!)  I love Bravissimo & would certainly recommend a fitting by a lingerie specialist shop especially if you have any special concerns like a bra for a special occasion or are possibly a bit of an unusual size, like small back & big cup. 

Bras are a bit of a mystery to me as I can be a different size in different styles even of the same brand, which can be very frustrating.  & don't mention the nightmare of maternity bras & even worse: nursing bras  :o   Did you know sometimes even the identical bra in different colours will fit slightly different because of the different coloured dye used affecting the material differently?

So how was the fitting trip? It's not quite the same as a visit to the gynae but it's sort of up there  ;D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on March 18, 2008, 12:30:13 pm
Anyone that shops at Victoria's Secret, can you tell me what bras you like best?

I like the "Body by Victoria" line. They're seamless, not much padding (just sort of thick synthetic fabric for the cups), supportive and pretty comfortable. However, they do have underwires.

But VS has a number of different styles, including some -- I think -- without wires.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 18, 2008, 12:31:21 pm
Thanks for that suggestion. As long as the underwires are well padded, I don't mind them.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on March 18, 2008, 02:34:25 pm
We are nearly boob-size twins Kelda

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on March 18, 2008, 08:02:34 pm
I'm the Queen of the Wonder Bra.

Love those things.  They really make you feel like you're wearing armour and nothing is going where it isn't supposed to.

However you do pay a price.  I have marks on my skin from the underwires, but boy you can tell those things really do their job of hitchin' 'em up and movin' em out when you take it off after a long day at work.  Gravity takes over and you feel like you're sagging to your knees.  ;D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on March 21, 2008, 10:23:29 pm
man, this thread is WASTED in a forum full of gay men..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: forsythia12 on March 21, 2008, 10:25:53 pm
I'm the Queen of the Wonder Bra.

Love those things.  They really make you feel like you're wearing armour and nothing is going where it isn't supposed to.

However you do pay a price.  I have marks on my skin from the underwires, but boy you can tell those things really do their job of hitchin' 'em up and movin' em out when you take it off after a long day at work.  Gravity takes over and you feel like you're sagging to your knees.  ;D

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on March 21, 2008, 11:40:55 pm
so I'll start with a scary but funny story - I hoping there is not an ounce of truth in it at all!!!!!


OMG, Kelda, when I read "scary story", I skipped the rest, and went to the story, and thought the whole time this was an experience you had!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Glad to hear that it wasn't.


I'm also glad that I'm a man and don't have to do that waxing crap.  I don't give a damn about the whole "manscaping" trend.  Love me, love my body hair.

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 21, 2008, 11:47:58 pm

OMG, Kelda, when I read "scary story", I skipped the rest, and went to the story, and thought the whole time this was an experience you had!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Glad to hear that it wasn't.


I'm also glad that I'm a man and don't have to do that waxing crap.  I don't give a damn about the whole "manscaping" trend.  Love me, love my body hair.

 :laugh: :laugh:

Hey Chuck!

LOL, well I've never waxed anything either.  I'm perfectly content with plain-old shaving.



Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on March 22, 2008, 12:57:53 am
OK, well now that we're totally into this subject, I have to ask. How many people here shave/wax/any other thing, in the ... uh, bikini-line area, except within the bikini line?

I'm very old-school, I'm afraid. I'm like, I wouldn't consider waxing/shaving away anything that's not visible from an actual bikini. But I know these things are subject to fashion, and I'm middle-aged and married and probably out of it, so ...

So how about you others? Dare I ask (ala Artiste), how far you go in this respect?

For anybody who cares to good answer, I will recommend a product that is pretty likely to make your eyelashes longer (albeit at some risk  ;D).



Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 22, 2008, 01:19:15 am
OK, well now that we're totally into this subject, I have to ask. How many people here shave/wax/any other thing, in the ... uh, bikini-line area, except within the bikini line?

I'm very old-school, I'm afraid. I'm like, I wouldn't consider waxing/shaving away anything that's not visible from an actual bikini. But I know these things are subject to fashion, and I'm middle-aged and married and probably out of it, so ...

So how about you others? Dare I ask (ala Artiste), how far you go in this respect?

 :o Wow! wow! K, that's quite a question. LOL.  Well, I like to keep things neat and tidy, but I don't go very far beyond what would be visible from a bikini either.

Ehmm... I think hair in that area is a good thing and actually a basic part of female-ness, so I'm not a fan of the idea of shaving everything.  Something about that idea doesn't sit right to my mind.  And, for what it's worth, I've never dated a woman who shaved much more beyond the bikini line either.  So, OK... that was A LOT of information.
 :o :laugh:

I wonder how common "more extreme" forms of shaving might be in actuality? 


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For anybody who cares to good answer, I will recommend a product that is pretty likely to make your eyelashes longer (albeit at some risk  ;D).

I'm curious about how this product would possibly work (and about the risk too)?  Is it a fancy kind of mascara?





Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 22, 2008, 02:16:23 am
I'm another one who doesn't shave or wax completely, if you get my drift. Just like Amanda said, neat and tidy but I do shave the bikini line. I just can't bring myself to shave it all. Too afraid i'll cut myself plus the itching afterwards! Oh no, there's no way. I know it's a trend now but it just ain't happening. Just like I don't wear thongs, t-backs, whatever you want to call them. That ain't happening either!   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on March 22, 2008, 09:37:14 am
I think that business of completely shaving smacks of pedophilia...reminds me too much of men that want you to pretend to be a little girl (anyone see last nights ABC thing on prostitutes??...the woman that said her tricks wanted her to pretend to be a little girl and call her daddy? YUCK) Grown women have hair. There has been such a trend in the media toward younger and younger....makes you wonder where (or IF) they will stop.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on March 22, 2008, 09:57:23 am
I think that business of completely shaving smacks of pedophilia...reminds me too much of men that want you to pretend to be a little girl 

Me too. To my eyes, it looks weird. Of course, the only woman I've seen who was completely shaved is Britney Spears.  ::)  But it just doesn't look adult to me.

Now, shaving it into a narrower shape -- what the character Joy on "My Name is Earl" called "the landing strip"  :laugh: -- is different. That I don't mind.

When I think about it, shaving armpits and legs seems weird, too. Why do women "have to" do that? I mean, since my eyes are trained to expect hairless legs and pits, it doesn't look weird -- in fact, it's the other way around; hair in those places looks strange and unappealing. But rationally, that doesn't seem right. Even men don't "have to" shave their faces. It's optional.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 22, 2008, 11:13:55 am
You know it's funny that you bring that up about how shaving smacks of pedophilia because i've always said that! It just seems to be the trend here. Almost every girl i know shaves completely. I'm just not going to do that. Luckily my bf doesn't want me to.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on March 22, 2008, 11:55:53 am
I shave the usual, pits and legs.

If I have a boyfriend or are going on vacation, I shave it myself or get bikini-waxed to keep things tidy.   Never know who's going to be strip-searching you.  ;D  I had the Brazilian done once.  It's OK.  Nothing to write home about.

I did Nair it all off a couple of times (it wasn't Nair, it was another product).  And all I could think of, standing there in front of the mirror is

"What's missing from this picture?"

It looked bizarre.

But it's fun to do on occasion to liven up the old routine.  My bf before last actually did it to himself once to surprise me.  Which it did.   ;D

I'm with Jess though.  I'll do it for a bf once in a while, but I won't keep myself looking like that.  I'm a woman, women have hair there and young men need to get used to that fact and the fact that the women in magazines and porn vids are fantasy not reality.  By the time I was leaving college, I did spot a dismaying trend among the young blades I had sex with. Some actually seemed disturbed that I had hair down there.  They didn't believe the women in the magazines were airbrushed and expected their women to look nice and tidy like them.
 >:( ::) >:( ::) >:( ::)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on March 22, 2008, 12:27:19 pm
I'm actually very bad at keeping down there in check.

I've only been waxed once - and it wasn't a brazilian but just a general bikini line but it grew back in so quick and there was odd stray hairs, thats I never bothered getting it done again - I think perhaps tyhe girl wasn't that great who did it.

So I shave and snip instead...

The times I ahve shaved more than usual - not quite down to the nothing but more brazillain like it itched to hell growing back in and again never did it again...

C has certainly never complained -which is just as well!

he does occasionally make a shaving paper sound while touching my legs  :laugh: , cos I'm bad at that too but not very often and when he does that its got to its very worst stage!!!

i did get hair removal cream but it was too much hassle.. worse than belaching the moustache which I did today too...


oh and chuck  :laugh: - its stories like that and the story that it could be me which means I dont do it!!!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on March 22, 2008, 02:09:11 pm

When I think about it, shaving armpits and legs seems weird, too. Why do women "have to" do that? I mean, since my eyes are trained to expect hairless legs and pits, it doesn't look weird -- in fact, it's the other way around; hair in those places looks strange and unappealing. But rationally, that doesn't seem right. Even men don't "have to" shave their faces. It's optional.

We don't have to.  It just depends on how you want to be perceived and how your menfolk react.  If the men don't care, then I don't have to shave.  But if they do care, chances are, I'm not going to get any lovin' unless I do because they've been programmed that women don't have hair like they do and it would be a turnoff for them and the gods know men need as much encouragement as possible.  If the trouser trout ain't interested, ain't nothin' going to happen.

Plus, I don't like facial hair or 5 o'clock shadows, so I ask them to shave.  And I probably would be turned off if they had serious back hair and didn't do anything about it.  :P

If my legs are in good shape and the weather is warm, I wear shorts or short skirts to show them off and I shave.  If the weather is cold, and I wear pants or long skirts, I don't shave.

My ex-fiance's father used to shave his pits.  He said it kept sweat from staining his shirts as often and so he saved on having to buy new shirts.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 22, 2008, 02:59:03 pm
Me too. To my eyes, it looks weird. Of course, the only woman I've seen who was completely shaved is Britney Spears.  ::)  But it just doesn't look adult to me.

Now, shaving it into a narrower shape -- what the character Joy on "My Name is Earl" called "the landing strip"  :laugh: -- is different. That I don't mind.

When I think about it, shaving armpits and legs seems weird, too. Why do women "have to" do that? I mean, since my eyes are trained to expect hairless legs and pits, it doesn't look weird -- in fact, it's the other way around; hair in those places looks strange and unappealing. But rationally, that doesn't seem right. Even men don't "have to" shave their faces. It's optional.


I agree with what injest and Katherine both said about shaving completely in the bikini area.  As I wrote in my earlier post on this topic "it doesn't sit right" with me and that's what I mean.  It seems odd to do shave in that area in a way that makes a woman look less adult... I think it's pretty upsetting.  And, it is true that hair in the bikini area is just part of being female.  To my mind, anyone who's really attracted to women shouldn't have a problem with that.

But, I do think shaving a little bit in terms of grooming is a good thing.  But, what someone else mentioned about the itching when too much is shaved, is another good reason to shave as little as possible.

As far as shaving legs... my most significant ex-girlfriend stopped shaving her legs for a while.  She's the only woman that I've dated that went through a phase like that (despite what certain stereotypes about lesbians might suggest, shaving legs is still definitely the norm among the lesbian community... at least in my experience).  Honestly, I didn't like it much when she went through the no-shaved-legs phase.  And, I think it might just be that I'm so used to women having shaved legs that it was sort of hard to get used to.

But, it's a good question as to why women are expected to shave body hair while men usually aren't.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BelAir on March 22, 2008, 05:20:39 pm
One of my favorite Vagina Monologues is the one about "hair down there."  I don't remember the lines exactly, only that I was like "I'm with ya sister!"

I shave only under necessity... i.e. for shorts, skirts, swimsuits... I do find in the winter, my skin gets flakier when I don't shave regularly.

Okay, I can't believe I'm talking about my grooming hygiene online!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Shasta542 on March 22, 2008, 05:57:00 pm
Aren't there some cultures/countries whose female members do not shave? Not sure, but I've heard something like that. Anyone know?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on March 22, 2008, 10:17:16 pm
Aren't there some cultures/countries whose female members do not shave? Not sure, but I've heard something like that. Anyone know?

Sure.  In Spanish cultures, especially in Mexico and areas south, women like to show off their ethnic background by not shaving.  To have Spanish blood is to have obvious hair.  Those who are native Americans do not have much body hair and the natives are still looked down on by the Spanish descendants.  So if women can grow it, they show it.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Penthesilea on March 23, 2008, 03:21:07 pm
Aren't there some cultures/countries whose female members do not shave? Not sure, but I've heard something like that. Anyone know?


I think compared with Americans it's far less usual for German women to shave. When I was a teenager and young woman I had never heard of women shaving (neither legs, pits nor bikini zone). The thought of shaving never would have crossed my mind. The first woman I have ever heard she's shaving her legs was a friend of mine who is of Southern European heritage and therefore has very dark and much hair.

I don't remember when this fasshion started to get popular in Germany. I personally started shaving my legs, armpits and bikini zone maybe three or four years ago. I do it only in summer, when I wear shorts and go swimming. I do it only because my hair has started to grow more and darker the last years (I guess this comes with age).

I use an epilator for my legs. It has an attachment for electrical shaving which I use for my armpits and bikini zone. As far as the bikini zome goes, I shave only as much as I have to, so that no pubic hair stands out when wearing a bathing suit.
I wouldn't want to be hairless down there. And I wouldn't shave it for my husband (if he liked it) nor any other men (theoretically).
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Berit on March 23, 2008, 03:40:06 pm
I'm green of envy.....I have never shaved anything......well, now when I'm 54 I sometimes have to shave the chins and under the nose.....but not a leg, not an armpit and certainly not down below.......I look like a 5 year old, almost.....NOT FUN when I was young and still in school......my ma is the same......the daughter has a daddy with FUR so she is in between :laugh:

What an incredible  ::) :laugh: :o tread........
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 23, 2008, 11:05:47 pm
My bf is part native american ( cherokee ) and part sweedish so basically he looks like a hairy indian.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Berit on March 24, 2008, 05:14:11 am
MsMercury

What an absolutely charming combination he must be....... ;D.....I love hairy guys.....they can be bald on the head, no problem but on the body......I prefer FUR ;) ;D :D :o

Berit
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 24, 2008, 02:29:14 pm
MsMercury

What an absolutely charming combination he must be....... ;D.....I love hairy guys.....they can be bald on the head, no problem but on the body......I prefer FUR ;) ;D :D :o

Berit

Well, I've always disliked a lot of body hair on men but we've been together for 7 years ( known each other for 18 ) so obviously I no longer mind it that much.  ;D   When you love somebody things like that don't matter. His body hair is extremely soft too.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on March 24, 2008, 08:20:26 pm
Well, I've always disliked a lot of body hair on men but we've been together for 7 years ( known each other for 18 ) so obviously I no longer mind it that much.  ;D   When you love somebody things like that don't matter. His body hair is extremely soft too.

my hubby has very little hair, too much Native American in him.. just a little bit of a happy trail and THAT hair..
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on March 25, 2008, 12:57:49 am
I have very light, fine hair, so I don't shave my legs in winter and rarely even my pits (and NEVER "downtown"). I'm not even always scrupulous about it in summer. But that's because you could be sitting a foot away from me in bright light and still not detect any leg hair even if I haven't shaved for months. So it's relatively easy for me to skip it.

But for women with thicker, darker hair, it seems very socially expected to shave legs and pits. Of course, as Del said, you don't have to. But if you go around in shorts or skirts with dark, thick hair on your legs, or a tank top with bushy pits, you'll pay the social consequences in this culture. Which I think is too bad. It's natural and should be accepted as such.

It's interesting to hear that the trend is more recent in Germany. I know I'd always heard that European women didn't shave their legs and pits, though whenever I've been there I've seen no hairy legs, so I thought maybe that was a myth.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on March 25, 2008, 07:09:13 am
Well, I'm not a woman, but one of the recent trends is "manscaping".....where men have chest, leg, back hair removed.

there's also "special clippers" sold to shave the scrotum.

::)

I want my man to look like a man, meaning body hair where ever.  The only think I "trim" is when the eyebrows get bushy, I cut the longer hairs to keep them neat, and use tweezers when I get occasional ear hairs.


As for the trend in Germany being recent, I remember back in 1984, there were a number of comments here in America made about German singer Nena Kerner, lead singer for the group Nena.  They were very popular at the time for their song "99 Red Balloons" and in some footage, she had raised her arms in a sleeveless shirt, and you could see her armpit hair.  I remember not being bothered by it, but a number of people commented on it.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Penthesilea on March 25, 2008, 12:17:12 pm
As for the trend in Germany being recent, I remember back in 1984, there were a number of comments here in America made about German singer Nena Kerner, lead singer for the group Nena.  They were very popular at the time for their song "99 Red Balloons" and in some footage, she had raised her arms in a sleeveless shirt, and you could see her armpit hair.  I remember not being bothered by it, but a number of people commented on it.


I remember Nena but not her armpit hair, since it was (and still is) perfectly normal here  :laugh:.
I think in 1984 no woman in Germany shaved anything (I was 16 by then). Alone the thought of shaving the legs would my mother or aunts cause to shake their heads.  :laugh:

Oh, and I remember when my friend visited the US for the first time in the late 80ies. None of us young girls owned a bathing suit, we wore bikinis. Bathing suits were for elderly ladies. When she came back from the US, she said she had bought a bathing suit there, since verybody wore one and she had been stared at in her bikini.
After three kids I prefer a bathing suit today, even though I'm not an elderly lady ::). How times change  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on March 27, 2008, 08:39:45 pm
I have been reading the posts in here about "shaving" for the past week, and have hesitated to add my own, because it is such a personal thing. But I'm feeling in a "what the hell, put your two cents worth in" kinda mood today, so......

As much as most of us ladies do not enjoy the task of shaving or waxing, the bottom line is, it is our mindset, that smooth legs and arm pits is prettier, more feminine and much more attractive. It is no more or less a routine than getting our hair styled, or wearing an attractive outfit, if we feel good about it, then thats why we do it. I guess its what we, and others, perceive as attractive, and smooth legs and arm pits are considered that.

As far as shaving the "other area"....well........I find that being smooth "down there" very very sexy.

I have not always shaved there, but I go through stages and moods, where I keep it either trimmed, or completely shaven, and because I am in the mood to have it that way, I find it attractive and I feel very sexy and those feelings are reciprocated by my husband, and not in a pedophilic way, but because it adds a sense of adventure, and a "different" feel about things. Its just all about enjoyment of how one feels, and I like feeling sexy, or maybe the word "provocative" is what I should be using....its just all part of the sexual adventure.

I've always said, that sexuality, or sexiness, is how one thinks..... what is going on more in the mind than even what is going on in the bed, more of what is going on between the ears than what is going on between the legs..as long as you feel comfortable with it and it is what you want to do. But in saying that, if you are hesitant about trying something different, you will never know if it turns you on, if you dont try it, at least once.

And....another thing I like doing, is going out to dinner or somewhere public, and not wearing underwear under a dress.....I dont do it all the time, but once again, when I'm "in the mood", and I've done it, I find that gives me a real sexual turn on, not to mention what it does for my husband.....its all part of the adventure.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on March 27, 2008, 09:15:21 pm
I have not always shaved there, but I go through stages and moods, where I keep it either trimmed, or completely shaven, and because I am in the mood to have it that way, I find it attractive and I feel very sexy and those feelings are reciprocated by my husband, and not in a pedophilic way,

You're right, Sue. I didn't mean to sound judgmental when calling it that -- it's just that, to my eyes, it looks strange, so that is the image that comes to mind. But to each her own, absolutely.  :)

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I've always said, that sexuality, or sexiness, is how one thinks..... what is going on more in the mind than even what is going on in the bed, more of what is going on between the ears than what is going on between the legs.

You bet.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 27, 2008, 09:21:40 pm

For anybody who cares to good answer, I will recommend a product that is pretty likely to make your eyelashes longer (albeit at some risk  ;D).



Heya K!

I'm still intrigued about this part of your post from a while back.  How does such a product possibly work?  Is it a fancy kind of mascara?
 ???


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on March 27, 2008, 11:22:11 pm
I have been reading the posts in here about "shaving" for the past week, and have hesitated to add my own, because it is such a personal thing. But I'm feeling in a "what the hell, put your two cents worth in" kinda mood today, so......

As much as most of us ladies do not enjoy the task of shaving or waxing, the bottom line is, it is our mindset, that smooth legs and arm pits is prettier, more feminine and much more attractive. It is no more or less a routine than getting our hair styled, or wearing an attractive outfit, if we feel good about it, then thats why we do it. I guess its what we, and others, perceive as attractive, and smooth legs and arm pits are considered that.

As far as shaving the "other area"....well........I find that being smooth "down there" very very sexy.

I have not always shaved there, but I go through stages and moods, where I keep it either trimmed, or completely shaven, and because I am in the mood to have it that way, I find it attractive and I feel very sexy and those feelings are reciprocated by my husband, and not in a pedophilic way, but because it adds a sense of adventure, and a "different" feel about things. Its just all about enjoyment of how one feels, and I like feeling sexy, or maybe the word "provocative" is what I should be using....its just all part of the sexual adventure.

I've always said, that sexuality, or sexiness, is how one thinks..... what is going on more in the mind than even what is going on in the bed, more of what is going on between the ears than what is going on between the legs..as long as you feel comfortable with it and it is what you want to do. But in saying that, if you are hesitant about trying something different, you will never know if it turns you on, if you dont try it, at least once.

And....another thing I like doing, is going out to dinner or somewhere public, and not wearing underwear under a dress.....I dont do it all the time, but once again, when I'm "in the mood", and I've done it, I find that gives me a real sexual turn on, not to mention what it does for my husband.....its all part of the adventure.



oh, it is entirely a different matter if you are a mature woman with a woman's figure...the images I was refering to in men's magazines are of very young looking women with tiny breasts....when did SMALL breasts come into vogue for men's magazines? I mean really!

THOSE images to me are 'grooming' men to accept or find 'sexy' the wrong image. If they were of the traditional bosomy girls/women they used to show it MIGHT not seem so...ick!



Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on March 28, 2008, 12:51:15 am
Heya K!

I'm still intrigued about this part of your post from a while back.  How does such a product possibly work?  Is it a fancy kind of mascara?
 ???

OK. I kind of later regretted having brought that up, because it's a) complicated to describe and b) possibly risky to use. Still, now that I've brought it up, I'll tell you. But hold on for the long explanation.

At 50, I don't have any gray hair. Literally, I've never seen a strand of it. Unfortunately, what I do have is hair that doesn't grow very well. I don't have bald spots (yet!), but it's what happens is the top layers, particularly in the front but also on the sides, only get so far and then they kind of stop. I think it's hormonally related. It's not a big problem, but it annoys me.

So I ran across mention of a product that helps your hair grow better. I was skeptical, of course, but I was intrigued because I got it from a source I completely trust (cosmeticscop.com -- this woman, Paula Begoun, has written a couple of books and has a website analyzing cosmetics and debunking advertisiing claims; if you get nothing else out of this post I urge you to check that out. She also has her own line of products that is well-priced, effective and fragrance-free.)

So anyway, the product was by Jan Marini (janmarini.com), which sells a lot of high-end cosmetics, supposedly much researched. And I found that she sells not only a hair-growth formula but also a lash-growth formula. I wanted to buy the first, and as long as I was at it I figured I'd throw in the second. They were VERY expensive -- about $300 together, much, much more than I'd ever normally pay on products like that. But what the heck. I splurged.

So I got the products just after Thanksgiving and started using them. The hair product is a spray. The lash product is like liquid eyeliner, but colorless. And I swear, after a few months of using, I notice a difference in both my hair and lashes. Both seem fuller, thicker, more healthy, and yes, longer. I didn't measure either with a ruler, so I can't absolutely swear to it or provide any statistics. But that is my impression.

So then, I was reading something that said Jan Marini's product had been RECALLED last fall because it might be dangerous. Of course, I was alarmed and did more research. Apparently the substance it contains is used to treat eye conditions and it actually has been found to lengthen eyelashes. But it hasn't gone through proper testing, which means it can't make claims as a cosmetic, and  could cause bad reactions. Some references mention blindness (!!!), but others just talk about skin redness and irritation. I read some websites that went back and forth about it. Here's one good one: http://www.truthinaging.com/2007/11/jan-marini-fda.html (http://www.truthinaging.com/2007/11/jan-marini-fda.html)

Then I determined that the product I'm using is probably the one they issued AFTER the recall, a reformulated version that is less dangerous but also less effective. Still, as I said, I've noticed some effects.

But then I heard that there's a similar product, Revitalash, that is available for much cheaper on eBay. That hasn't been officially recalled, but it has been reformulated in a similar way. You can get both the new version and the old version on eBay. So I bought some of the old version, and am still wondering whether I dare use it. I stlil have plenty left of the Jan Marini stuff, so I don't have to decide yet.

That's the whole story.





Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 28, 2008, 10:42:54 pm
I'll have to check out that L'oreal mascara. Does it come in a waterproof version? I have to use waterproof.  I've been using Maybelline Great Lash for many years.

On another note, since this is the female thread; I have the worst cramps ever! I've been cramping like hell for the past two days. Ugh! This is one of the worst periods of my life.  I've been hotflashing and having night sweats for a couple of years now so I'm thinking this is part of the pre menopause thing. Why can we just stop menstrating? Why must it take like 10 years???
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BelAir on March 28, 2008, 11:06:28 pm
sorry for the cramps Ms. Merc - hope they are better soon!


warning: heavy ick factor to follow!!!



on the subject of cramps (again, taking advantage of the female thread): I quit taking birth control pills about 6 months ago, after having taken them for about 4 or 5 years.  I didn't consult anyone (i.e. my doctor) about stopping, just decided to stop.  Here is what I have found: I have light bleeding for about 5-7 days - then a true period for 1 or 2 days, then done.  Everyone think this is okay?  Any reason to worry?

I actually have less cramps and less heavy bleeding off the pill, and just wanted to make sure it seemed 'normal' to every one else.

thanks, for indulging me...
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 28, 2008, 11:21:30 pm

Heya Mercury and BelAir!

I'm sorry to hear about your bad cramps MsMercury... cramps really can be so unbearable.  My advice probably won't help for this cycle much... but, do you exercise regularly?  I've found that makes a massive difference.  If I'm being good about an exercise routine I find that my cramps are much less severe or even sometimes blissfully nonexistent.  I'm not much of an exercise buff... so I go through phases where I don't exercise much, and I can often tell the difference pretty distinctly.

And, about birth control pills... that's a fascinating subject to me because I've never had cause to use them, so I never have. 

For me, having never been on the pill... what you describe sounds related to what I experience on a normal basis.  About 5-7 days of bleeding... usually days 1-3 are heavier (depending... sometimes it varies a bit) and then the end is lighter.  I think periods off of birth control usually are longer than periods on the pill - or so I understand from what friends have told me, etc.  Maybe your body is regulating and adjusting a bit.

LOL, isn't this thread remarkable!  Some of the topics we've covered here are pretty amazing!  ;D

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 28, 2008, 11:27:57 pm
I exercise off and on and yes, it's a proven fact that cramps are less severe for those who exercise.  I need to get my butt back to the gym ASAP!

As for BC pills, it is common for them to make your periods more tolerable. I was on the pill from the time I was 18 up until I was 31.  On the pill my periods were very light and lasted about 3 days. Hardly any cramping at all. Wonderful!  Well went I got into my 30's my doc said I can no longer be on the pill and smoke as the chances of heart attack or stroke increase. So she asked me want I wanted to do and I said, "Tie my tubes!"  I'd been asking for a tubal since I was 18.  I never wanted kids and begged each year for them to tie my tubes but they wouldn't do it until I was 31. She said if I still didn't want kids by this time I was probably never going to. Thank goddess someone finally listened to me. I'm so happy to have my tubes tied these past 9 years but the periods are just like they were when I was in high school. Heavy and awful.  So it was a trade off.
Yeah, I know the sensible thing would be to quit smoking so I could be on the pill but that ain't happening.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 28, 2008, 11:45:43 pm
That's interesting about your experience wanting to have your "tube tied" and having doctors not be willing to heed your request.  I had an acquaintance-type-friend in my early 20s who was determined that she wanted this done too, and the doctors would just not listen to her.  It seems very odd to me that doctors often don't respect women's decisions in this regard, even if they're young.  It's like there's an institutional disbelief that there are women (and even very young women) who really have no desire to reproduce.. or there seems to be an unwillingness to believe that a woman knows what she wants and what's best for herself.  This issue - of doctors not listening to/ respecting what women tell them - really makes me angry.
 >:(

I'm sorry that happened to you.

But, about the heavy periods... yeah, I'm pretty aware that my periods are longer than women on the pill.  But, in general they're not too, too heavy (except for a couple days at the beginning... the later days are pretty light).

For those of you not on the pill... have you ever experienced the phenomenon of the schedule of your period shifting based on other women around you?  I went to a women's college for undergrad. and it was such a noticeable trend within dorms it was amazing.  Sometimes essentially a whole floor in a dorm would be on the same schedule (you could sort of tell by the state of the communal bathrooms). 

And, this may be "too much information"... but this thread is pretty darn intimate, so here goes... the shifting of "schedules' based on other women around you... is very helpful/ convenient for lesbian couples.  At least in my experience, often within just two months you're pretty close to synchronized.  It's pretty incredible.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MsMercury on March 28, 2008, 11:53:38 pm
I'm guessing the reason for doc's not listening to us when we are young is because they are afraid we'll get older and regret it then want to sue them. You know how people can be.  "But i was too young and didn't know what I was talking about!"  I think it should be my decision since it's my body but I can see the other side too. Plus I know there are women who changed their mind.  I know a lot of women who swore they didn't want kids but ended up having them later.  I just knew I was one of those people not destined for kids. How could I explain that to a doc and have them believe me? They aren't going to buy, I just know.

Oh yes, I know the phemomenon well of the period schedule with other women. I've heard other women say it as well. It always happens.  The only thing is, where I work, almost all the women I work with have either had a hysterectomy or are going through menopause!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Penthesilea on March 29, 2008, 12:21:53 pm
I'm guessing the reason for doc's not listening to us when we are young is because they are afraid we'll get older and regret it then want to sue them. You know how people can be.  "But i was too young and didn't know what I was talking about!"  I think it should be my decision since it's my body but I can see the other side too. Plus I know there are women who changed their mind.  I know a lot of women who swore they didn't want kids but ended up having them later.  I just knew I was one of those people not destined for kids. How could I explain that to a doc and have them believe me? They aren't going to buy, I just know.


I'm also one of those women. I never wanted children when I was a young woman. This changed to maybe sometime later, much much later (a very vague maybe) when my best friend had her first baby. I ended up having three kids  :laugh:.

I think this happens quite often, so I can understand why doctors are hesitant to tie tubes when the woman is very young.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Penthesilea on March 29, 2008, 12:27:38 pm
sorry for the cramps Ms. Merc - hope they are better soon!


warning: heavy ick factor to follow!!!



on the subject of cramps (again, taking advantage of the female thread): I quit taking birth control pills about 6 months ago, after having taken them for about 4 or 5 years.  I didn't consult anyone (i.e. my doctor) about stopping, just decided to stop.  Here is what I have found: I have light bleeding for about 5-7 days - then a true period for 1 or 2 days, then done.  Everyone think this is okay?  Any reason to worry?

I actually have less cramps and less heavy bleeding off the pill, and just wanted to make sure it seemed 'normal' to every one else.

thanks, for indulging me...

I don't know whether this is "normal", I guess so. But in general, for most women it's the other way round: less bleeding and less cramps when they are on the pill.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on March 29, 2008, 12:30:14 pm
I take the pill Lybrel, which keeps you from ever getting periods. It's great! I've had one very short, slight one in about the past six months. Otherwise, I'm period free. I have a fibroid (sorry, TMI again) and had really bad periods, so now I feel I've been liberated.

Of course, I'm 50. If I were younger or still planning on further reproduction, I might be more nervous about what it was doing to my body.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on March 29, 2008, 01:09:51 pm
For the past few years, I have had what I call the trifecta of periods: heavy bleeding, backache, and cramps, every month. I have been as regular as a clock (every 28 days) for quite a few years now. There have been times when I was glad my period started on the weekend so I didn't need to go out of the house. Interestingly, this month I was 10 days late and my period was very mild. Maybe the end is in sight? (I am 52.)

Of course, my gynecologist has suggested the ultimate solution: a hysterectomy. But I just look him straight in the eye and say, I'll keep all my body parts while they are still functional, thank you very much. That shuts him up.

And yes, I have a male gynecologist but we go way back and I like him very much.

L
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Berit on March 29, 2008, 01:27:17 pm
I'm 54, had one period in October, and now in Feb. I had something, looked like a "miscolouring".... ;D

I think it is finally over!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It was "fun" while I needed it but now I'm so happy it's gone  ;D :D :laugh: :)

Berit

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on March 30, 2008, 02:11:26 pm

LOL, isn't this thread remarkable!  Some of the topics we've covered here are pretty amazing!  ;D



yeah, I'm so glad I started this thread! Although I have to admit it wasn't an original idea - there is a similar thread on abnother board I frequent and I thought it would be a good addition here!!!  ;D



And, this may be "too much information"... but this thread is pretty darn intimate, so here goes... the shifting of "schedules' based on other women around you... is very helpful/ convenient for lesbian couples.  At least in my experience, often within just two months you're pretty close to synchronized.  It's pretty incredible.



YOu know I had never thoguht about that but yes, that IS useful!  ;) It is pretty amazing how we schchronize isn't it!? (Although I guess that relates to if you are on the pill or not.......

Ive been on the pill for over ten years - can't rember what its like NOT to be.

It's good for things like holidays when you can just not have a break and continue taking them so that you dont have a period and feel icky when you've got something planned.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on March 30, 2008, 02:13:12 pm
I take the pill Lybrel, which keeps you from ever getting periods. It's great! I've had one very short, slight one in about the past six months. Otherwise, I'm period free. I have a fibroid (sorry, TMI again) and had really bad periods, so now I feel I've been liberated.

Of course, I'm 50. If I were younger or still planning on further reproduction, I might be more nervous about what it was doing to my body.



I've never heard of that - do you need to have a medical condition to get this?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on March 30, 2008, 03:08:36 pm
I'm guessing the reason for doc's not listening to us when we are young is because they are afraid we'll get older and regret it then want to sue them. You know how people can be.  "But i was too young and didn't know what I was talking about!"  I think it should be my decision since it's my body but I can see the other side too. Plus I know there are women who changed their mind.  I know a lot of women who swore they didn't want kids but ended up having them later.  I just knew I was one of those people not destined for kids. How could I explain that to a doc and have them believe me? They aren't going to buy, I just know.

Oh yes, I know the phemomenon well of the period schedule with other women. I've heard other women say it as well. It always happens.  The only thing is, where I work, almost all the women I work with have either had a hysterectomy or are going through menopause!

I guess the reason the doctors won't do it when women are young is because of the possibility of suing, but is that really something that would stand up in Court?  After one is an adult, one should take responsibility for one's own actions, I can't believe that a Court would side with the woman.

Look at Roe vs Wade.  The woman is now regretting her decision (now of course) and is trying to change the law, and trying to give every reason under the sun as to why she wasn't - in control, mentally stable, emotionally responsible, whatever - when she brought up her case.

It's these situations that give women a bad name in society. 

Suppose something like a woman regretting getting her tubes tied when she was in her early 20's does come up in court, all that has to happen for the woman to win her case against a doctor is basically for her to testify in front of the judge and maybe a jury and cry and sob and bemoan her inability to have babies and the tragedy of a poor decision made when she was young - and it's all the doctor's fault.

Most companies I've worked for that deal directly with the public all agree that if the issue of children come into any lawsuit, it's always better to settle out of court even if the injured party is clearly in the wrong because no jury will side with the

big mean corporations
big bad doctors
name your demonized organization

Is it any wonder women in society still have a reputation of being indecisive, waffly, emotionally unstable, wanting to please their menfolk and unreasonable?

I'm one of those women who made up my mind when I was 5 years old that I didn't want kids.  All these years later, I still don't and for the same reasons.  Nothing has changed that, not any man, nor any hormones, nor the plump, diapered bundles of germs (babies) that my friends have had and are currently showing off.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on March 30, 2008, 03:25:41 pm
I've never heard of that - do you need to have a medical condition to get this?

no but I don't think it is recommended for younger women that might later want to get pregnant...

I am sure Leslie will be in shortly to give us all an education in it!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on March 30, 2008, 03:31:02 pm
Sorry to be the bearer of possible bad news, but I am 56 and the Big M has not visited me yet!

About synchronicity among women, wasn't there a novel about this, entitled The Red Tent?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on March 30, 2008, 04:03:24 pm
Synchronicity is a well-documented event.  It is a fact.  However, after a few months or weeks of this, women drift off back onto their own schedules. It's not known why this happens - or sometimes - why it doesn't happen at all.  My sister and I were a classic case.  I lived with my sister for a while and we got in sync then - as per the scientific observations- we fell out after a while.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 30, 2008, 04:53:01 pm
Yeah, as I mentioned before... "synchronicity" was definitely a noticeable trend at the women's college I attended.  And, it's seemed to happen with all the women I've dated for any significant amount of time.

I read the Red Tent a long time ago.  I remember that I liked it, but I don't remember a lot of the details about it at this point.  It seems entirely possible that it probably touched on the subject of synchronicity, since the book was a lot about female-ness in general.  There was a phase when it seemed like a ton of people were reading that book.




Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: MaineWriter on March 30, 2008, 05:18:44 pm
no but I don't think it is recommended for younger women that might later want to get pregnant...

I am sure Leslie will be in shortly to give us all an education in it!

Well, since you suggested it...

Lybrel is a type of oral contraceptive (ie, "the pill") but it is designed to be taken 365 days a year. Most OCPs are dosed for 21 days with 7 days off, at which time a period occurs. Lybrel is taken daily and hence, no periods, although some women will have irregular spotting and breakthrough bleeding.

It can be used by younger women as a form of birth control. As with any OCP, all the usual caveats apply (smoking, etc). It will prevent pregnancy but it will not protect against STIs and HIV (no OCP does, obviously).

Kelda, it might be something you could take. Check with your healthcare provider.

http://www.wyeth.com/hcp/lybrel

L

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BelAir on March 31, 2008, 08:48:57 pm
Yeah, as I mentioned before... "synchronicity" was definitely a noticeable trend at the women's college I attended.  And, it's seemed to happen with all the women I've dated for any significant amount of time.

I read the Red Tent a long time ago.  I remember that I liked it, but I don't remember a lot of the details about it at this point.  It seems entirely possible that it probably touched on the subject of synchronicity, since the book was a lot about female-ness in general.  There was a phase when it seemed like a ton of people were reading that book.






I read it a while back too - I think it was somewhat 'biblical' and I'm pretty sure it wasn't about synchronicity - the Red Tent is just where the woman went when she had her period.

Unless, of course, I am remembering a different book!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 31, 2008, 10:46:59 pm
I read it a while back too - I think it was somewhat 'biblical' and I'm pretty sure it wasn't about synchronicity - the Red Tent is just where the woman went when she had her period.

Unless, of course, I am remembering a different book!

Yes, I think that was basically it.  I think I recall it was fictionalized aspects of certain Biblical stories from the female point of view.  And, I also seem to recall it was all about "femaleness" and female family ties on all sorts of levels.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on April 01, 2008, 05:27:17 pm
Well, since you suggested it...

Lybrel is a type of oral contraceptive (ie, "the pill") but it is designed to be taken 365 days a year. Most OCPs are dosed for 21 days with 7 days off, at which time a period occurs. Lybrel is taken daily and hence, no periods, although some women will have irregular spotting and breakthrough bleeding.

It can be used by younger women as a form of birth control. As with any OCP, all the usual caveats apply (smoking, etc). It will prevent pregnancy but it will not protect against STIs and HIV (no OCP does, obviously).

Kelda, it might be something you could take. Check with your healthcare provider.

http://www.wyeth.com/hcp/lybrel

L



Thanks lelsie and Jess!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on April 02, 2008, 09:59:03 am
Lybrel is a type of oral contraceptive (ie, "the pill") but it is designed to be taken 365 days a year. Most OCPs are dosed for 21 days with 7 days off, at which time a period occurs. Lybrel is taken daily and hence, no periods, although some women will have irregular spotting and breakthrough bleeding.

Yes. Before Lybrel, I was on Seasonale, which limits your periods to four a year. Lybrel is better. For one thing, I never have to worry that my period will coincide with travel or something like that. Back when I had periods and they were pretty intense, if they occurred during a vacation they more or less ruined at least a couple of days of it.

One caveat: If you want to avoid periods for a special event, start taking Lybrel or Seasonale or whatever for several months before the event to allow your body to adjust. I switched to Seasonale a few years ago, just a month or two before going to Italy. D'oh! I spent almost the entire time in Italy -- about 12 days -- with a period. A relatively light one, but still. My plan really backfired. (It didn't ruin the trip, though!  :))

Lybrel didn't take quite as long to adjust to, but that may be because I'd already been taking Seasonale for a couple of years.

From what I've read, the periods you get while on a regular b.c. pill aren't "real" periods. When the pill was first developed, the inventors thought that if women went off the pill for one week a month and experienced that artificial period, the pill would seem more "natural" and therefore better accepted by the Catholic Church. Of course, it wasn't anyway. But -- again, from what I've read -- there's no medical reason to have to have those fake periods.

Still, I'll admit I might be a little more nervous about it if I were younger and planned to have more children. The docs say it's OK, but ...


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BelAir on May 01, 2008, 10:44:01 pm
I'm glad it worked out well!!!

 ;)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 15, 2008, 12:30:07 am

Heya Ladies,

I'm back to revisit the topic of lipstick/ lip-gloss/ chapstick...  When I went to that art opening two weekends ago, I bought some lip-gloss (slightly tinted and with some sparkly stuff in it) just for the special occasion, and now I think I'm a little addicted to it.  As I posted here a while back... for years I've resisted lipstick.  But, now this lip-gloss thing seems really fun and different.  It's really not too obvious (not like bright red lipstick or something).  It's just subtle and shinier than my old stand-by Burt's Bees chapstick.  Just thought I'd report on this change of heart.
8)

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on May 15, 2008, 12:52:22 am
I'm back to revisit the topic of lipstick/ lip-gloss/ chapstick...  When I went to that art opening two weekends ago, I bought some lip-gloss (slightly tinted and with some sparkly stuff in it) just for the special occasion, and now I think I'm a little addicted to it.  As I posted here a while back... for years I've resisted lipstick.  But, now this lip-gloss thing seems really fun and different.  It's really not too obvious (not like bright red lipstick or something).  It's just subtle and shinier than my old stand-by Burt's Bees chapstick.  Just thought I'd report on this change of heart.
8)

Thanks for the lipwear update, Bud. That's how I felt when I started to use lipstick. Again, like you, not the bright red kind or anything -- just a subtle plummy-peachy shade that's pretty close to the color of my actual lips. And I still forget to use it about 75 percent of the time. But that leaves 25 percent more than I used it, oh, 10 years ago or so, when I NEVER wore lipstick, didn't even own any.

I still don't like seeing those rings on my coffee cup. But I feel it does make me look more ... put together, or sumpn.


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on May 16, 2008, 12:54:01 pm
To me, lipstick is a sexual thing. Okay, maybe I have a one-track mind, but I use it whenever I need a sensual pick-me-up, so to speak...I like the look of it sliding out of the holder, the smoothness and silkiness on my lips, and the sensual color, even the taste!

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on September 22, 2008, 03:38:28 pm
Digging this thread out...

I'm still thinking about buying an epilator - I hate stubble on me in those ummm.... more feminine areas! (Don't mind legs, can live with legs!!!)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on September 24, 2008, 11:20:56 pm
To me, lipstick is a sexual thing. Okay, maybe I have a one-track mind, but I use it whenever I need a sensual pick-me-up, so to speak...I like the look of it sliding out of the holder, the smoothness and silkiness on my lips, and the sensual color, even the taste!



Gee Lee......the way you describe lipstick, nearly gives me an orgasm........ :o :o
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on September 24, 2008, 11:31:55 pm
Gee Lee......the way you describe lipstick, nearly gives me an orgasm........ :o :o

That would be sexy even on a pitbull or a pig!


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on September 30, 2008, 10:02:02 pm
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/lancegreen/pig_with_lipstick_31.jpg)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 01, 2008, 10:33:13 am
A couple of weeks ago I went with my husband to the haircutter and observed as she trimmed his eyebrows, at his request.  Basically it was like a haircut.  She used a fine tooth comb and a small scissor to trim what hairs came out the other side of the comb.  Feeling brave, I thought I would try it on myself tonight as an adjunct to tweezing.  Well, it worked wonderfully.  My brows turned out nice and even, and I didn't even poke an eye out.  I am amazed sometimes that there are new personal grooming tricks to be learned after all these years.

When I was young I had the kind of eyebrows that look like they're trying to grow together, and would occasionally tweeze them but for some reason I've always found that practice of pulling out one hair at a time kind of creepy.  Finally, in my late 20s, I had my eyebrows waxed and that pretty much took care of it.  No more Neanderthal brows, no more tweezing.

Sculpting eyebrows has to be done by someone else -- you can either botch it or get hot wax in your eyes if you do it yourself.  However, you can get rid of stray hairs between brows as that part of the face is above the bridge of you nose.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 01, 2008, 10:41:52 am
I guess the reason the doctors won't do it when women are young is because of the possibility of suing, but is that really something that would stand up in Court?  After one is an adult, one should take responsibility for one's own actions, I can't believe that a Court would side with the woman.

Suppose something like a woman regretting getting her tubes tied when she was in her early 20's does come up in court, all that has to happen for the woman to win her case against a doctor is basically for her to testify in front of the judge and maybe a jury and cry and sob and bemoan her inability to have babies and the tragedy of a poor decision made when she was young - and it's all the doctor's fault.

Most companies I've worked for that deal directly with the public all agree that if the issue of children come into any lawsuit, it's always better to settle out of court even if the injured party is clearly in the wrong because no jury will side with the

big mean corporations
big bad doctors
name your demonized organization

Is it any wonder women in society still have a reputation of being indecisive, waffly, emotionally unstable, wanting to please their menfolk and unreasonable?

I'm one of those women who made up my mind when I was 5 years old that I didn't want kids.  All these years later, I still don't and for the same reasons.  Nothing has changed that, not any man, nor any hormones, nor the plump, diapered bundles of germs (babies) that my friends have had and are currently showing off.

I also knew very early on that I didn't want any kids. When I was a child I used to think I fantacized about having 12 kids but of course what I was really daydreaming about was having 11 siblings, with my parents taking care of us all.

Never regretted it.  You can't know for sure when you're in your 20s, but the way I figured it, if I regretted the decision later I'd be the only one suffering.  But if I went ahead and had a kid and discovered that my mother was wrong when she said "oh, you'd want a baby once you had it", then what?  I know from experience that if you have a child you didn't want, the kid is going to sense that from early childhood on and that's a terrible burden to have to carry.

Interestingly, some of my co-workers ask me if I've ever wanted kids -- very regularly, about once a month or so.  And I'm talking about the same people asking the same question.  It's like they think if they ask just one more time, they'll get a different answer.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 01, 2008, 10:43:20 am
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/lancegreen/pig_with_lipstick_31.jpg)

Nice glasses!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BlissC on October 01, 2008, 10:59:08 am
Interestingly, some of my co-workers ask me if I've ever wanted kids -- very regularly, about once a month or so.  And I'm talking about the same people asking the same question.  It's like they think if they ask just one more time, they'll get a different answer.

I get that regularly too. Some people (usually the ones with kids) just can't seem to comprehend that there are some who for a variety of reasons don't want or don't have kids. The ones that annoy me though are the ones that look at you totally askance when they ask you that question that always comes up sooner or later when you're talking to someone you've only just met - "So, how many kids have you got?". Grr!

When I was young I had the kind of eyebrows that look like they're trying to grow together, and would occasionally tweeze them but for some reason I've always found that practice of pulling out one hair at a time kind of creepy.  Finally, in my late 20s, I had my eyebrows waxed and that pretty much took care of it.  No more Neanderthal brows, no more tweezing.

Sculpting eyebrows has to be done by someone else -- you can either botch it or get hot wax in your eyes if you do it yourself.  However, you can get rid of stray hairs between brows as that part of the face is above the bridge of you nose.

Mine used to be like that. It took years of plucking, until eventually I overdid it somewhat and ended up with pencil thin eyebrows before they eventually behaved. These days it's just those occasional stray ones above the bridge of your nose that I get. The rest of them seem to have finally learned that if they start their tricks again they'll be plucked into oblivion!  :laugh:

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 01, 2008, 11:30:19 am
Mine used to be like that. It took years of plucking, until eventually I overdid it somewhat and ended up with pencil thin eyebrows before they eventually behaved. These days it's just those occasional stray ones above the bridge of your nose that I get. The rest of them seem to have finally learned that if they start their tricks again they'll be plucked into oblivion!  :laugh:



One of the benefits of waxing is that if you do it regularly, the hair gradually stops growing back.  I waxed my legs during the 1970s and most of the 1980s, and all I have to remove now is a very thin strip of hairs on the front.  The rest just stopped growing back.  Now I just use a little disposable razor; there's so little hair to remove that waxing isn't really necessary.

Don't know this for a medical fact, but hair on eyebrows seems to "give up" pretty early on.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lumičre on October 01, 2008, 12:42:56 pm

Don't know this for a medical fact, but hair on eyebrows seems to "give up" pretty early on.

It would seem so.

I got to chatting the other day with a woman at the drugstore about makeup and such.. She had shaved/waxed her eyebrows for years and once she hit her thirties, the hair just stopped growing back.  She ended up with no eyebrows, was tired of 'drawing' them in every day, and was going to get eyebrows tattooed.   

What I never really understood was why it seemed necessary to wax off most/all of one's eyebrows just to use a pencil to fill them back in again.  I guess that was back in the day when skinny eyebrows were the 'in-thing'...  ?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on October 01, 2008, 03:40:24 pm
What I never really understood was why it seemed necessary to wax off most/all of one's eyebrows just to use a pencil to fill them back in again.  I guess that was back in the day when skinny eyebrows were the 'in-thing'...  ?

Yes. I have a friend who has skinny eyebrows dating back to the early '70s, which never fully grew back in.

Mine are getting sparse only now that I'm 50. But so is most of my hair elsewhere. Even the hair on my head, though not noticeably thin yet, does not grow long in certain places. It just stops growing, the way eyelashes only get to a certain length and then stop. Very frustrating.



I also knew very early on that I didn't want any kids. When I was a child I used to think I fantacized about having 12 kids

I was the opposite of this. Never wanted kids as a child, never played with babydolls, just had no interest in maternity at all. I felt the same way throughout my teens and even my 20s.

But in my mid-30s, I decided to give it a shot. For me, it felt like part of the human experience I didn't want to pass up.

So I had two. And raising them has been much, much harder than I ever envisioned (to be honest, it's much much harder with my particular two than it is for most parents I know). Still, I've never regretted it. Not for a second. Not even on the worst days.

But that's just me. Everyone is different, and my experiences don't t necessarily say anything about anyone else's.

BTW, if anyone is interested, Salon ran a series a couple of years ago called "Maybe Baby," in which writers on all sides of the issue discussed their choices to have or not to have. Later, it was published as a book.



Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BlissC on October 01, 2008, 03:56:18 pm
One of the benefits of waxing is that if you do it regularly, the hair gradually stops growing back.  I waxed my legs during the 1970s and most of the 1980s, and all I have to remove now is a very thin strip of hairs on the front.  The rest just stopped growing back.  Now I just use a little disposable razor; there's so little hair to remove that waxing isn't really necessary.

Don't know this for a medical fact, but hair on eyebrows seems to "give up" pretty early on.

The problem I have with legs is that I'm on warfarin, which makes life complicated in all sorts of ways. With razors I have to be very  careful because unless they're new (and even then it can be a bit dodgy) I usually end up with nicks all over the place, and the the shorter the hairs are, the worse it is. Of course being on warfarin, even tiny cuts bleed for a lot longer than normal. Waxing and epilators etc. are out because they cause bruising around the pores, again due to the warfarin, and though for a while I did switch to the depilatory creams, last year I had a bad reaction to one of them and ended up with a rash on my legs for weeks, and I haven't dared use any of them since then.

At one point I did try out the Epicare (http://www.facialhairremover.co.uk/), which is based on the old technique of 'threading' but is much less painful. It's quite good for facial hair, but no good for large areas like legs, but again I had problems with bruising with it due to the warfarin. *sigh*
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lumičre on October 29, 2008, 06:26:05 pm
On the subject of hair removal...

Has anyone ever tried Nad's No heat Wax

I've seen it on infomercials and the shopping channels, etc.
It claims to be an all-natural product with super hair removal results (well, they all claim that). 
I am curious - anyone here tried it?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on October 29, 2008, 07:09:39 pm
never even heard of it.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on October 29, 2008, 08:11:30 pm
On the subject of hair removal...

Has anyone ever tried Nad's No heat Wax

I've seen it on infomercials and the shopping channels, etc.
It claims to be an all-natural product with super hair removal results (well, they all claim that). 
I am curious - anyone here tried it?

No.  It's more expensive than just regular microwave wax, so I've never tried it.  It has an unfortunate name seeing as the contraction for gonads in slang is ''nads'.

It's bizarre what people get asked.

I don't think I've ever had anyone ask me if I had kids except doctors.   What my religion is is another question I've only been asked twice in my life, though I've read on other boards how people get asked these two questions quite frequently.  Bizarre.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on October 29, 2008, 08:20:07 pm
It has an unfortunate name seeing as the contraction for gonads in slang is ''nads'.


reminds me of a diet "candy" that was supposed to be an appetite suppresant, called AYDS.

Not long after it hit the market, the AIDS epidemic started to make news.

The advertisement at the time was ....."I lost weight, when I got AYDS!"

 :o
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on October 29, 2008, 09:39:40 pm
Yep....we use the term "nads" here sometimes too....

Reminds me of a greyhound that used to run.....who had been neutered......

His name was NO NADS....
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on October 29, 2008, 09:51:34 pm
Yep....we use the term "nads" here sometimes too....

Reminds me of a greyhound that used to run.....who had been neutered......

His name was NO NADS....

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on October 29, 2008, 09:57:06 pm
Reminds me of a greyhound that used to run.....who had been neutered......

His name was NO NADS....


 :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: shortfiction on October 29, 2008, 10:35:10 pm
I just survived the Cowboy Doctor exam again the other day.  Thank goodness I took a Tylenol before they did it.
It took some doing, because apparently I have.................
get ready for a direct quote.....................................
"a shy cervix."

Well, who'd a thunk it?


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on October 29, 2008, 10:53:03 pm
I just survived the Cowboy Doctor exam again the other day.  Thank goodness I took a Tylenol before they did it.
It took some doing, because apparently I have.................
get ready for a direct quote.....................................
"a shy cervix."

Well, who'd a thunk it?




my fave? "You may feel a little pressure"

oh yeah? let me stick one of those up YOURS and see how much 'pressure' you feel...

 >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lumičre on October 29, 2008, 11:04:39 pm

Ahem.
This is the kind of Nad's I was referring to..

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Misc/e80d9281.jpg)

Aussie product I believe. 
Sue??  8)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on October 29, 2008, 11:07:50 pm
I just survived the Cowboy Doctor exam again the other day.  Thank goodness I took a Tylenol before they did it.
It took some doing, because apparently I have.................
get ready for a direct quote.....................................
"a shy cervix."

Well, who'd a thunk it?

 >:( :-\  Sorry... I get to suffer the indignity next week....
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on October 29, 2008, 11:09:00 pm
Yes Milli.......Nads is an Aussie product.

That lady started making hair removal cream twenty to thirty years ago.

She advertises a lot on the daytime and morning tv shows here.

The products must be OK cause she has been in business a long long time.

But Ive never tried them.....I just use a razor.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on October 29, 2008, 11:10:43 pm
>:( :-\  Sorry... I get to suffer the indignity next week....

Just close your eyes and think of it being Brad Pitt down there.....or......if you prefer, Angelina Jolie.......... :o
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on October 29, 2008, 11:15:20 pm
Just close your eyes and think of it being Brad Pitt down there.....or......if you prefer, Angelina Jolie.......... :o

That's some good advice KatieSue, but I don't think even I have that good an imagination!!  I usually count ceiling tiles.
 8)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: LauraGigs on October 30, 2008, 04:10:04 am
Just close your eyes and think of it being Brad Pitt down there.....or......if you prefer, Angelina Jolie.......... :o

And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . .   :P
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on October 30, 2008, 04:31:02 am
And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . .   :P

hahhahahahhahahahha.....well......I was thinkin more of their hands    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Nevermore on October 30, 2008, 06:03:47 am
On the subject of hair removal...

Has anyone ever tried Nad's No heat Wax

I've seen it on infomercials and the shopping channels, etc.
It claims to be an all-natural product with super hair removal results (well, they all claim that). 
I am curious - anyone here tried it?

I have--not on myself, but on my brother--he needed someone to do a little "manscaping" on his back (I'm sure he'd appreciate my sharing this tidbit). It's like a sticky gel. if you've ever used a sticky mousetrap, I'd bet the compounds are the same.
It does work--in fact, one of the virtues is that you can reuse the same gel, though it gets full of hairs and is kind of gross to look at after a while, and if you've ever tried to wax yourself and had it harden on you--well, no worries about that with Nads. I don't know if it's more or less painful than waxing or about the same. My brother screamed like a little girl, but men are such  babies about suffering for art--if he was a veteran of tweezing, waxing, four-inch heels, menstrual cramps, etc., he might have a different pain threshold. So I will say the pain level is comparable.
The only drawback is that it doesn't seem to "grab" the hairs as much as wax does, so you might have to reapply it numerous times (I wouldn't use it on my "girly bits for that reason) and round up the strays with  tweezers, and I don't know if it can be use for spot-cleaning such as the brows or upper lip.
But if you wanted to wax your legs and were looking for a less messy alternative, I'd say definitely, go for it.
One tip that I got from a freind who runs a chain of waxing spas, if you powder the area you want to wax first, it makes the wax adhere to the hairs better and not to the skin, and I would bet this applies to Nads too.
Good luck!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on October 30, 2008, 08:15:32 am
And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . .   :P

Good one, Laura!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lumičre on October 30, 2008, 12:32:20 pm
I have--not on myself, but on my brother--he needed someone to do a little "manscaping" on his back (I'm sure he'd appreciate my sharing this tidbit). It's like a sticky gel. if you've ever used a sticky mousetrap, I'd bet the compounds are the same.
It does work--in fact, one of the virtues is that you can reuse the same gel, though it gets full of hairs and is kind of gross to look at after a while, and if you've ever tried to wax yourself and had it harden on you--well, no worries about that with Nads. I don't know if it's more or less painful than waxing or about the same. My brother screamed like a little girl, but men are such  babies about suffering for art--if he was a veteran of tweezing, waxing, four-inch heels, menstrual cramps, etc., he might have a different pain threshold. So I will say the pain level is comparable.
The only drawback is that it doesn't seem to "grab" the hairs as much as wax does, so you might have to reapply it numerous times (I wouldn't use it on my "girly bits for that reason) and round up the strays with  tweezers, and I don't know if it can be use for spot-cleaning such as the brows or upper lip.
But if you wanted to wax your legs and were looking for a less messy alternative, I'd say definitely, go for it.
One tip that I got from a freind who runs a chain of waxing spas, if you powder the area you want to wax first, it makes the wax adhere to the hairs better and not to the skin, and I would bet this applies to Nads too.
Good luck!


Thank you for the detailed review, Nevermore! 

I have no intention of using it on my girly bits ( 8)) , more just on legs and such..
I've heard about the powder trick before, never tried it...

I think I'll give it a go...we'll see how it works out!  :)


~M
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on October 31, 2008, 12:19:06 am
hahhahahahhahahahha.....well......I was thinkin more of their hands    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Speaking of hands - having gone through the old feet in stirrups ceiling watch a month ago - why the &*%#$!! does the doctor say "OK, get ready, my hands are going to be cold." ???

If they're cold fuckwit, then warm them up!!!!  There are actually products made and they're called - confusingly enough - hand warmers!!!!.  If those are too expensive to put in the budget, you have a sink in the room don't you?  RUN THE HOT WATER!!

Jeez, do I have to think of everything?!?!?  >:(
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BlissC on October 31, 2008, 05:53:18 pm
Speaking of hands - having gone through the old feet in stirrups ceiling watch a month ago - why the &*%#$!! does the doctor say "OK, get ready, my hands are going to be cold." ???

If they're cold fuckwit, then warm them up!!!!  There are actually products made and they're called - confusingly enough - hand warmers!!!!.  If those are too expensive to put in the budget, you have a sink in the room don't you?  RUN THE HOT WATER!!

Jeez, do I have to think of everything?!?!?  >:(

When it comes to men, yes, usually.  :laugh:

Actually, a couple of weeks ago when I went for my pre-op assessment before last week's surgery, the doctor I saw at the pre-op assessment clinic was very considerate, and not only warned me about his cold hands, but when it came to the bit where he needed to examine me (the bit where they do the weird tapping thing on your abdomen), decided that because his hands were so cold (there wasn't a sink in the room) that he'd examine me through my blouse. He was also very considerate in the fact that when he decided he couldn't check the reflexes in my feet with my awful support stockings that I have to wear since I had a DVT, that rather than me messing about trying to get them on and off, he'd do it for me. The only slight problem was that with the problems I have with shaving my legs due to the warfarin etc. and the fact I was trying to time it so I shaved them just before I went into hospital, at that point I hadn't yet shaved them!  :o Oh, the embarrassment!

>:( :-\  Sorry... I get to suffer the indignity next week....

Yeah, I had mine a few weeks ago. I always find it worse because as my mum's worked at the doctor's surgery for getting on for the past 20 years, and over the years I've been variously involved with surgery activities, and know all the staff, and on occasions gone out with them socially, I know all of the staff there, so it doesn't matter who does it, chances are that I know them socially. These days though I just usually tend to chat with them and we end up laughing, which usually manages to make the time go a lot quicker. This last time I ended up chatting with Karen, the nurse practitioner, about what it would be like if you were abducted by aliens!  :laugh:

In the past though, I've been in some embarrassing situations. There was the time years ago when I had to go to the hospital to have it done for some reason, and 5 doctors (all male) managed to be completely unable to find my cervix. In the end they drafted in the consultant (female) who did it with no problems, but then when I came out of the room, all five of them were stood in the doorway talking...

...then there was the time a couple of years ago when I needed to see a urologist, and needed some tests doing. Problem was I knew him socially as well as I was doing a website for his wife...

...then there was the ultrasound which ended up having to be done internally because they couldn't see a damned thing with the usual ultrasound. Problem was I'd started my period that morning, and I had warned them that as I'm on warfarin things are apt to get a little messy, but would they listen?!  ::)

The things we have to put up with!  ::)

And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . .   :P

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on October 31, 2008, 07:21:26 pm
OMG Bliss......

I think you have suffered enough examination nightmares for all of us.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on November 01, 2008, 10:15:12 am
OMG Bliss......

I think you have suffered enough examination nightmares for all of us.

yup!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BlissC on November 04, 2008, 06:22:31 pm
Well the good news is I got the results back of the latest one a couple of weeks ago, and thankfully everything's normal.  A few years back I kept getting abnormal results back - not abnormal enough for them to be very concerned, but enough to keep a close eye on me. I had about 4 years when I was having to have smear tests every 6 months (not fun!). Eventually the gynae doc decided that after 4 years of abnormal smears they'd got to do loop diathermy (though because of all my other medical problems as well, they decided that rather than do it under local anaesthetic, they'd do it under GA). Fortunately, that did the trick, and never was I more relieved than when they said I could go back on the normal 3 yearly recall programme!

As my mum was diagnosed with breast cancer 8 years ago, and my grandma (her mum) died of breast cancer when I was only five years old, and both my other grandma and my mum ended up needing hysterectomies, I'm kinda paranoid about smear tests.

I've got to the point though now where having the actual test itself doesn't bother me. After so many over the past 10 years, and then seeing a urologist on and off for 2-3 years as well, I just think 'what's another one?'  :laugh:


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on November 07, 2008, 08:43:48 pm
Well the good news is I got the results back of the latest one a couple of weeks ago, and thankfully everything's normal.  A few years back I kept getting abnormal results back - not abnormal enough for them to be very concerned, but enough to keep a close eye on me. I had about 4 years when I was having to have smear tests every 6 months (not fun!). Eventually the gynae doc decided that after 4 years of abnormal smears they'd got to do loop diathermy (though because of all my other medical problems as well, they decided that rather than do it under local anaesthetic, they'd do it under GA). Fortunately, that did the trick, and never was I more relieved than when they said I could go back on the normal 3 yearly recall programme!

As my mum was diagnosed with breast cancer 8 years ago, and my grandma (her mum) died of breast cancer when I was only five years old, and both my other grandma and my mum ended up needing hysterectomies, I'm kinda paranoid about smear tests.

I've got to the point though now where having the actual test itself doesn't bother me. After so many over the past 10 years, and then seeing a urologist on and off for 2-3 years as well, I just think 'what's another one?'  :laugh:

Definitely know how you feel.  My grandmother had cervical cancer, my mother and now sister have breast cancer, and this year I am at the age my sister was when she came down with breast cancer.

I was a little paranoid.  Then my CBCs were high on my blood work.  They suggested I come back in two weeks and be re-tested.  Then I had gone to a new place that has the latest technology less-squishier digital mammogram equipment.  A week later, instead of results, I get a letter asking for my previous records so they can 'compare' this year's and last year's scans.

I instantly freeze.  Why do they want to compare the two?  Did they find something fishy?

A week later, still no word, I call my doctor and she says they just sent the scans to the new place that day.  A week later, still no word, I call the mammogram place (note, it's been 3 weeks now waiting for the results) and they clear me.

Whew!!

I get a letter confirming that I'm good for another year the next day.  AND my 2nd blood work testing also came back normal.

Yep, definitely know how you feel.  :P
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BlissC on November 08, 2008, 08:47:46 am
I know what you mean. They either worry you by sending letters that don't explain why they're wanting whatever, or leave you waiting ages for results. I regularly used to get letters about the smear tests saying to go back in 6 months (this was at the start of it before they had me on a 6 monthly recall programme and I knew why), but with no explanation of why. Or sometimes ones saying I needed to make an appointment for another one, but again with no explanation why (it usually turned out to be that it was an insufficient sample, or they'd got the wrong type of cells). Then when I rang up to find out why, they'd come up with the standard "we can tell you anything over the phone!" *sigh*  ::)

Here in the UK they start the regular NHS mammogram screening programme when you get to fifty, and you get recalled every 3 years (unless there's any doubt about a previous mammogram, and then they recall in 1 year). Due to my family history though they've said they've start me on the screening programme when I turn 40, though I've already had two when I've had problems in the past and though my GP didn't think it was anything to worry about, erred on the side of caution and sent me to get checked out anyway. Apparently because breast tissue in women under 40 is more dense, it's harder to see any changes, and they get more false positives, plus the majority of breast cancers occur in old women. There's an awful lot of debate though about whether screening should start earlier, and whether the recall programme should be annual, but largely with the NHS they argue it's not cost effective to screen everyone annually (unless they're at particular risk) for the small increase in cancers picked up.  ::)

I had gone to a new place that has the latest technology less-squishier digital mammogram place. 

I can understand from the technical point of view of taking x-rays, why the need for the squishing, but only a guy could have come up with a design for a machine that needs to squish quite so much!

This cartoon always makes me laugh.  :laugh:


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BelAir on November 09, 2008, 07:06:07 pm


This cartoon always makes me laugh.  :laugh:





 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on November 12, 2008, 03:35:46 pm
And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . .   :P


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Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on November 19, 2008, 12:02:16 am
OK...Moisturizer Rant!

So, it took me 85% of my life to find skin care products that work for me.  I have always had acne, blemishes, combination skin and have tried everything from the harsh Noxema, to Proactiv, to high end products like Clinique and Estee Lauder - no luck...just echos of a dermatologist when I was 13 telling me how 'lucky' I was that I was getting this over with early.

::)

Fast forward to 36 or so...I randomly hit on Aveeno Positively Radiant cleanser and moisturizer (with total soy complex, whatever that means) and Voila!  Decent skin for the first time ever!

So, last week I buy more moisturizer and by this week, I'm using 3 squirts instead of 1; my skin is getting dry and flaky and I'm breaking out.  Aaargh!

FINALLY I notice that I don't have Positively Radiant; rather I have Clear Complexion, which contains salicylic acid!  The packaging is virtually identical.

So..$15 dollars later, I've got my stuff again, but I'm plenty annoyed.  >:( ;)

And yes, I realize how petty a problem this is in the grand scheme of things, but it's one that is fix-able!

/rant

I return you to the discussion of fantasy material for the annual exam!  :D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on November 21, 2008, 01:46:04 pm
Lynne, you should be able to return the product you bought accidentally and get your money back. I know it seems strange if you've already opened and used it, but most drug stores are pretty good about this.

I had unclear skin on and off until I was in my 30s. Not really severely, but I always had one or two or three zits at any given time. I tried everything, particularly benzoyl peroxide. Nothing was very effective.

Then, in the early '90s, I heard about alpha hydroxy acid. I started using it and pretty much never got another pimple again. It was fantastic. I also don't have many wrinkles at 51, and I think the alpha hydroxy might be part of the reason for that, too (I do have jowls, though -- it's not a magic potion  ::)).

If anyone is interested, I find the best well-priced, fragrance free skin products -- including alpha hydroxy gel and a lot of other stuff -- are Paula's Choice products, available at www.cosmeticscop.com (http://www.cosmeticscop.com).  I can't recommend those products, and that website, highly enough. Paula Begoun, who runs it, got her start as a "cosmetics cop," rating products and debunking unrealistic claims by cosmetics manufacturers. After writing about this for a while, she started her own line of products.





Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on December 04, 2008, 12:31:55 am
Lynne, you should be able to return the product you bought accidentally and get your money back. I know it seems strange if you've already opened and used it, but most drug stores are pretty good about this.

I had unclear skin on and off until I was in my 30s. Not really severely, but I always had one or two or three zits at any given time. I tried everything, particularly benzoyl peroxide. Nothing was very effective.

Then, in the early '90s, I heard about alpha hydroxy acid. I started using it and pretty much never got another pimple again. It was fantastic. I also don't have many wrinkles at 51, and I think the alpha hydroxy might be part of the reason for that, too (I do have jowls, though -- it's not a magic potion  ::)).

If anyone is interested, I find the best well-priced, fragrance free skin products -- including alpha hydroxy gel and a lot of other stuff -- are Paula's Choice products, available at www.cosmeticscop.com (http://www.cosmeticscop.com).  I can't recommend those products, and that website, highly enough. Paula Begoun, who runs it, got her start as a "cosmetics cop," rating products and debunking unrealistic claims by cosmetics manufacturers. After writing about this for a while, she started her own line of products.

Hey there, Crayons!  Thanks muchly for the advice.  I ended up giving my opened moisturizer to my housemate.  She's in her early twenties and uses similar products.

At some point, I'll probably check out the alpha hydroxy products at the website you recommended.  The wrinkles and jowls are certainly starting to appear.  And it's odd but there's been a marked change in skin texture over time, especially the last 5 years or so.   :-\

I tried a cleanser once that was 'Age Defying'...I don't remember the brand, but I think it was one of the pre-moistened wipes with alpha hydroxy.  I  didn't care for that very much - again, too drying.  But I feel like it is definitely getting time to start a whole regimen, including eye cream, and maybe a weekly masque!

 ::)  [Just kill me now!]
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: injest on December 04, 2008, 12:35:44 am
Hey there, Crayons!  Thanks muchly for the advice.  I ended up giving my opened moisturizer to my housemate.  She's in her early twenties and uses similar products.

At some point, I'll probably check out the alpha hydroxy products at the website you recommended.  The wrinkles and jowls are certainly starting to appear.  And it's odd but there's been a marked change in skin texture over time, especially the last 5 years or so.   :-\

I tried a cleanser once that was 'Age Defying'...I don't remember the brand, but I think it was one of the pre-moistened wipes with alpha hydroxy.  I  didn't care for that very much - again, too drying.  But I feel like it is definitely getting time to start a whole regimen, including eye cream, and maybe a weekly masque!

 ::)  [Just kill me now!]

oh stop! You are not near old enough for that! we are all our own worst enemies.... ;)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on December 04, 2008, 12:39:06 am
oh stop! You are not near old enough for that! we are all our own worst enemies.... ;)

You make a good point.  I would love to be someone who ages gracefully, but to-date I'm not feeling the least bit gracious about it.  On the other hand, there's not an age I would go back to, so I guess I just have to stand it!   ;)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on December 04, 2008, 10:59:30 am
You make a good point.  I would love to be someone who ages gracefully, but to-date I'm not feeling the least bit gracious about it.  On the other hand, there's not an age I would go back to, so I guess I just have to stand it!   ;)

If you can't fix it ...  :-\

But I think these days "aging gracefully" just means anything short of voluntarily getting your face sliced up with a knife. There's something about that that just creeps me out, even though the older I get the more I understand the temptation.

I'd be so afraid of ending up like poor Kanye West's mother, though ...  :(




Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: BelAir on January 04, 2009, 02:33:11 pm
Is okay to gossip on this thread?  (If the answer is yes - anyone watch the Kennedy Center Honors and have an opinion of Barbra Streisand in terms of yes work vs. no work?  I would not be embarrassed to ask a friend this on the phone, but feel sort of bad gossiping about it in print.)

Lynne - are you still loving your Positively Radiant stuff?  I am prone to breaking out and dryness (horrendous combination), and I have recently been managing okay with sensitive skin moisturizers... First used Dove, then, b/c the store didn't have Dove, Oil of Olay... but if you really like yours so much I'll keep that in the back of my mind...

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on January 04, 2009, 03:18:50 pm
Id say its okay to gossip but I didnt see the Kennedy Center Honors
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 04, 2009, 04:47:09 pm
I have to buy my own stocking stuffers...(long story) so this year I got a MyChelle sampler kit with about 30 different creams, serums, and moisturizers. I love them all! But I'll try to narrow down my choices to a few and let you know. As far as being "old enuff" to use creams, my 20-year-old daughter uses creams daily! It's not a function of how old you are, it has to do with hormones, general health, and whether you live in a desert LOL!

Yesterday I went into a new store called Melt and bought some Sugar Scrub. It's great...only problem was that a smallish tub of it cost $26!! Think I'll stick with Lush which is more reasonably priced.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on January 04, 2009, 10:09:05 pm
Yesterday I went into a new store called Melt and bought some Sugar Scrub. It's great...only problem was that a smallish tub of it cost $26!! Think I'll stick with Lush which is more reasonably priced.

I got some Lush shower gel for Christmas from my stepmother. I don't know ... it's like liquid candy! And the whole department in the store is like a candy store!

I'm kind of sensitive to fragrance. I like a little tiny bit, but not at all overwhelming, and I don't like to smell it on myself later throughout the day. So I've been experimenting with mixing fragrance-free stuff with scented stuff.


Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: karen1129 on January 04, 2009, 10:21:18 pm
Ooooh..... beauty and bath products !!!!!

My favorite !!!   :laugh:

I've been going to a Dermatologist for over a year because of my skin.
Skin cancers, old age, etc. ! 

Even at 61 , I still have very oily skin.  The sagging...... Oy !!!

My Dr. told me don't waste money on the high end moisturizers.  They are no better then
the Neutrogena moisturizer I buy.  Always buy a moisturizer with at least a SPF of 30

I always get a non-greasy moisturizer.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: karen1129 on January 04, 2009, 10:23:35 pm
Crabtree & Evelyn are my favorite bath products.   ;D

Nantucket Briar is my favorite.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 05, 2009, 02:23:38 pm
Mine is l'Occitane. Especially their almond skin oil. It is so aromatic, and pure luxury. It might be too rich for humid climates but in desert-like Colorado, it disappears into the skin very quickly. For even more decadence I apply l'Occitane body milk and then the skin oil over it. Sheer heaven!

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Shasta542 on January 18, 2009, 08:55:28 pm
Make a model that has your features and body type--then try on clothes that you can buy if you want to! Click "personalize your model first".
Fun.  :)


http://msnshopping.mvm.com/shoppingMsn.htm?&ptnrid=164&ptnrdata=304235 (http://msnshopping.mvm.com/shoppingMsn.htm?&ptnrid=164&ptnrdata=304235)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on January 21, 2009, 10:43:21 am
Sorry, Friends - for some reason, I haven't noticed this thread recently.   :-\

If you can't fix it ...  :-\

But I think these days "aging gracefully" just means anything short of voluntarily getting your face sliced up with a knife. There's something about that that just creeps me out, even though the older I get the more I understand the temptation.

I'd be so afraid of ending up like poor Kanye West's mother, though ...  :(

Did she end up with a really botched job?  If so, very sad.  I haven't heard and can't really look it up just now.  I bet Michael Jackson would have aged pretty well if he could have accepted himself as he was, but that's a long and windy discussion...

Crabtree & Evelyn are my favorite bath products.   ;D

Nantucket Briar is my favorite.

I like their stuff too - they have that Gardener's hand cream that I love, I believe.

...Lynne - are you still loving your Positively Radiant stuff?  I am prone to breaking out and dryness (horrendous combination), and I have recently been managing okay with sensitive skin moisturizers... First used Dove, then, b/c the store didn't have Dove, Oil of Olay... but if you really like yours so much I'll keep that in the back of my mind...

Hey BelAir!  I do indeed still love the Aveeno Positively Radiant moisturizer.  Actually, I'm using the cleanser now also.  Give it a whirl next time it's time to buy.  Just take care not to get the stuff that contains salicylic acid or the anti-aging stuff (retinol A, I think it is).  I haven't tried the Dove product, but Oil of Olay feels good at first for me, then it seems to become absorbed and my face feels dry again.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: serious crayons on January 21, 2009, 11:51:51 am
Did she end up with a really botched job?  If so, very sad.

Not to sound flip, but yes, you could say it was botched. And yes, very sad.

Quote

Kanye West’s mother dies after surgery
58-year-old had cosmetic procedures after one surgeon refused to operate
msnbc.com news services
updated 9:58 p.m. CT, Mon., Nov. 12, 2007


LOS ANGELES - An autopsy was scheduled for the mother of Kanye West after preliminary information suggested she died of surgical complications, a coroner’s investigator said Monday.

According to TMZ.com and Access Hollywood, West had contacted Dr. Andre Aboolian of Beverly Hills in June to discuss a tummy tuck and breast reduction.

“She was interested in some cosmetic procedures and we had discussed that in order for her to go through with the procedures, which she was a good candidate for, she needed what’s called a medical clearance, which just about anybody over the age of 40 is required to have,” Dr. Aboolian explained to Access. “Because of Donda’s age, she was required to get some cardiac clearance to make sure her heart is in good shape to go through for the surgery.”

West died Saturday night at age 58 at Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center in Marina del Rey, where paramedics took her after she stopped breathing at her home, according to Deborah Ettinger, a hospital vice president.

A spokesperson for the hospital also told Access Hollywood, “Donda West was brought into the emergency room at Centinela. She was unresponsive and in cardiac arrest. They tried to revive her and were unsuccessful.”

Preliminary information indicated she died from “complications of surgery,” Lt. Fred Corral told The Associated Press. An autopsy was expected to be conducted by Wednesday, Corral said.

“Kanye West, his family and friends would like to thank everyone for the outpouring of support and kind words that have come in from across the country since the death of his mother,” publicist Maureen O’Connor said in a statement. Reached by phone, she declined to provide details on West’s death.

Patricia Green, a consultant who has worked as a publicist for West in the past, had previously told news agencies that West died after cosmetic surgery. She backed away from those comments in later interviews with the AP, saying she was not sure of the cause because she had received conflicting information.

“I spoke to her about two weeks ago and she was supposed to see the internist for the medical clearance, the internist that I had recommended, that I work with,” Aboolian added. “But she never followed through as far as I know.”

Aboolian was concerned about a condition West had that may cause a heart attack during surgery, said Jo-Ann Geffen, the surgeon’s publicist, declining to elaborate because of patient privacy rights.

Geffen said she didn’t know if West had cosmetic surgery elsewhere.

In an interview with TMZ.com, Dr. Jan Adams revealed that he performed cosmetic procedures on West before she died. Adams said that West had consulted with him over a period of four months, and that she changed her mind numerous times before finally greenlighting the surgeries.

Adams also claimed that he did nothing wrong and shared with TMZ his opinion of Aboolian. “He is sleazy and manipulating the truth to elevate his own importance,” said Adams.

West was known for the strong bond she shared with her hip-hop star son. She was often seen by his side at parties and award shows. Kanye West often spoke of his close relationship with his mother, who raised him alone after her husband left when Kanye was 3.

The former chairwoman of Chicago State University’s English department, Donda West served as chief executive of West Brands LLC, the parent company of her son’s business enterprises. She also was chairwoman of the Kanye West Foundation, an educational nonprofit that works to decrease dropout rates and improve literacy.

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Post by: Lynne on January 21, 2009, 12:04:08 pm
Not to sound flip, but yes, you could say it was botched. And yes, very sad.

Crap.  Sorry.  I had no idea, or if I did, I didn't remember.  Very sad, indeed.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on March 01, 2009, 06:32:48 pm
gee, the ladies have gone quiet now.    ;D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: RouxB on March 12, 2009, 02:37:43 am
gee, the ladies have gone quiet now.    ;D

and just when I discovered this thread  >:(

I wanted to talk about something NC17 so probably for the best that everyone else is gone  :laugh:

 O0
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on March 12, 2009, 03:57:24 am
and just when I discovered this thread  >:(

I wanted to talk about something NC17 so probably for the best that everyone else is gone  :laugh:

 O0

Im curious....what is NC17 ?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 12, 2009, 10:23:12 am
Im curious....what is NC17 ?

NC17 is a movie rating desingation from the Motion Picture Association of America's system.  It's one notch above R. 

This is the list of descriptions of the different rating levels from the wikipedia page about movie ratings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system)
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G - General Audiences
All ages admitted.
No nudity, no sex, no drugs, minimal violence, and limited use of language that goes beyond polite conversation. 
 
PG - Parental Guidance Suggested
Some material may not be suitable for children (under 10).
May have mild violence and/or action, mild language and sexual references, brief nudity, intense images, sexual themes, crude humor or very mild drug references. 
 
PG-13 - Parents Strongly Cautioned
Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
May contain moderate language, minimal strong language, some explicit nudity, intense violence and/or gore, or mild drug content. 
 
R - Restricted
Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.
May contain very strong language or strong sexual emphasis, strong explicit nudity, strong violence and gore, or strong drug content. 
 
NC-17 - No One 17 and Under Admitted
May contain very strong sexual or offensive language, strong explicit nudity, very strong gore or disturbing violence, or graphic drug abuse. 

If a film is not submitted for rating, the label NR (Not Rated) is used; however, "NR" is not an official MPAA classification. Films as yet unrated by the MPAA, but that are expected to be submitted for rating, are often advertised with the notice "This Film is Not Yet Rated" or, less frequently, "Rating Pending."

 
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on March 12, 2009, 06:35:43 pm
and just when I discovered this thread  >:(

I wanted to talk about something NC17 so probably for the best that everyone else is gone  :laugh:

 O0


we're not stopping ya!  ;D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: RouxB on March 12, 2009, 07:09:35 pm
NC17 is a movie rating desingation from the Motion Picture Association of America's system.  It's one notch above R. 

This is the list of descriptions of the different rating levels from the wikipedia page about movie ratings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system) 

Yikes! I better revise my rating to R  ;D

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 12, 2009, 08:19:01 pm
Yikes! I better revise my rating to R  ;D



Hey Bud!  So now I'm curious about your R rated topic! 

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: CellarDweller on March 12, 2009, 08:39:58 pm
Me too!   ;D
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on March 15, 2009, 06:08:27 pm
... go on.....
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on March 15, 2009, 07:07:59 pm
can I talk about my bra fitting the other day??  :P :-X

EMBARRASSIN'!!!

Yeah.........ok.........if you must........ ::) ::) ::)

What are u waitin for?
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: delalluvia on March 16, 2009, 12:15:20 am
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Oops, er, I mean, how embarrassing!  Good for you, throwing them out.  How dare they...!

[snicker]
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on March 16, 2009, 12:37:29 am
Well you just gave me another ten reasons why I DONT wear bras.

I always found them more uncomfortable to wear than new shoes, so stopped wearing one, when I stopped working in an office.

Most clothes I buy, I buy to suit  "no bra", but if something does require something extra, I wear a nice camisole.

And....if ever I do need one, I have one in the bottom of my drawer, hoping I never have to use it.

And just as a footnote, I have never had big boobs, so gravity did not have much to work with.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Penthesilea on March 16, 2009, 10:54:52 am
Well you just gave me another ten reasons why I DONT wear bras.

I always found them more uncomfortable to wear than new shoes, so stopped wearing one, when I stopped working in an office.

Most clothes I buy, I buy to suit  "no bra", but if something does require something extra, I wear a nice camisole.

And....if ever I do need one, I have one in the bottom of my drawer, hoping I never have to use it.

And just as a footnote, I have never had big boobs, so gravity did not have much to work with.


Ah, how I envy you! I also hate those damned things. I never wore one before my first child. The first bra I ever bought was a nursing bra. But now I am some sizes bigger in every department ( :laugh:) and have to wear them. :P
Bras are the second thing that comes off as soon as I'm at home (shoes being the first), and in winter I often skip them completely.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: mariez on March 16, 2009, 12:23:46 pm
Bras are the second thing that comes off as soon as I'm at home (shoes being the first)...

Yep, same for me Chrissi!  I can't wait to take the damn thing off.  Growing up, I remember a friend's mom telling us we should wear bras even while sleeping! She always did because she had the idea that she could defy gravity as she aged by wearing a bra 24 hours a day.   
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: LauraGigs on March 16, 2009, 12:49:04 pm
Did yall ever try the line of bras by Olga?  Those are the most comfortable ones in the world.  (Of course, the line got discontinued. :(  But when I heard it was going to go, I stocked up.) 

But in general, not every bra has to have underwire and all that.  If you try on different brands, you can find some comfy ones.  Warner's and Playtex bras are really comfortable.

I think the humidity where you live makes a big difference.  Here in Colorado, you feel your bra less.  When I lived in the humid Southeast US, bras could feel "sticky".

I'm small too.  But when I run, go down stairs, or jump, it feels much better to be wearing one!
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on March 16, 2009, 01:07:21 pm

Ah, how I envy you! I also hate those damned things. I never wore one before my first child. The first bra I ever bought was a nursing bra. But now I am some sizes bigger in every department ( :laugh:) and have to wear them. :P
Bras are the second thing that comes off as soon as I'm at home (shoes being the first), and in winter I often skip them completely.

Same with me, Chrissy.  First off shoes then bra quickly to follow.  I never wore a bra except to work before my child was born.  For some reason after she was born I need the support.   ???  Underwires and all!  It was awful.

Today I where only sports bras.  I wear them everyday except when Im not going out.  Then its a tee shirt and shorts with NO bra and NO shoes!  ::)
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on March 17, 2009, 06:01:06 am
Do any of you ladies take HRT? 

I started HRT going on my second week now.  My night sweats have decreased until today when I woke up at 4:30am.  Not a good day to loose some important early morning hours of sleep since Im leaving today to go out of state.

HRT has helped me sleep the whole night through..  I was waking up at ungodly hours of the early morning.  like anywhere between 2:30 am and usually 4.  Then couldnt get back to sleep until a late morning quick cat nap

Im still hot all the time.  Not really dripping wet hot flashes, I just feel hot all the time.  I have to dress really comfortably.  Now that its summer (here in FL its already summer)  I choose to wear skirts with tank tops and sandals

Its funny, but the slightest bit of cold makes my teeth chatter.  Its like one extreme to the next with me. 

SO far im liking HRT.  It seems to be adjusting well with me.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Katie77 on March 17, 2009, 07:51:08 am
Those hot flushes WILL go Dev......just give it a bit more time.
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Kelda on March 22, 2009, 06:28:10 pm
Girls if you haven't had one recently... go for a smear test... it could save your life.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,33216.0.html
Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Lynne on March 23, 2009, 12:58:05 am
Girls if you haven't had one recently... go for a smear test... it could save your life.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,33216.0.html

Absolutely.  Annually, every year, without fail.

And mammograms...at least every other year after you're 40.  Your doctor may advise more often or earlier based on your family history.  Do it.  No excuses.  It's inconvenient, but do it anyway.

While you're at it, ask your OB/GYN about the HPV vaccine.  It's mostly only being given to preteens and teens now, but many scientists think that is not adequate.

Title: Re: The Female Thread-Men are welcome but enter at your own risk
Post by: Front-Ranger on March 23, 2009, 05:44:55 pm
About hot flashes...I get them every once in a while. I've had them off and on for the last five years. When they occur at night, it's usually a good thing because I keep my bedroom on the cold side. Just throw off the covers and the problem's solved!

One time I was walking the dog and was puzzled because all the people I saw were wearing jackets. Then I realized that it was cold outside!! I hadn't noticed!

The way I deal with insomnia is just to keep to my regular schedule, building up a sleep debt of a few hours, and then I hit the hay a little earlier and sleep 10-11 hours to pay it back. This works better for me than giving up an hour or two everyloving night.

Once, I took progesterin several years ago for heavy bleeding, but its benefits wore off after a year or two and I just lived with it. I can't take estrogen at all,  it gives me high blood pressure.
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Post by: Kelda on July 17, 2011, 03:45:20 pm
bumping some old threads
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Post by: Front-Ranger on July 18, 2011, 05:37:24 pm
You got that right...I can't remember the last time I had a hot flash!!
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Post by: Kelda on July 18, 2011, 05:56:02 pm
You got that right...I can't remember the last time I had a hot flash!!

 :laugh:
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Post by: Sason on July 18, 2011, 06:35:58 pm
You got that right...I can't remember the last time I had a hot flash!!

No one needs a hot flash, but what about some hot flesh?  :laugh:
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Post by: Kelda on July 19, 2011, 04:12:45 am
No one needs a hot flash, but what about some hot flesh?  :laugh:
:laugh:
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Post by: Front-Ranger on August 15, 2011, 11:56:14 pm
No one needs a hot flash, but what about some hot flesh?  :laugh:

I can't remember the last time I had that either!
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Post by: Kelda on August 16, 2011, 04:02:53 am
never been to mexico?  ;)
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Post by: Sason on August 16, 2011, 01:35:20 pm
never been to mexico?  ;)

Do they have anything interesting in Mexico for girls like us?    8)
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Post by: Front-Ranger on June 17, 2013, 05:03:20 pm

As for the trend in Germany being recent, I remember back in 1984, there were a number of comments here in America made about German singer Nena Kerner, lead singer for the group Nena.  They were very popular at the time for their song "99 Red Balloons" and in some footage, she had raised her arms in a sleeveless shirt, and you could see her armpit hair.  I remember not being bothered by it, but a number of people commented on it.

Looking for a clue about the Chuck-Paul balloon thing...am I warm at all?  :-\
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Post by: CellarDweller on June 17, 2013, 05:05:35 pm
Looking for a clue about the Chuck-Paul balloon thing...am I warm at all?  :-\

Yup!  I love that song, Paul hates that song!  ;D
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Post by: CellarDweller on June 17, 2013, 05:17:34 pm
I remember Nena but not her armpit hair, since it was (and still is) perfectly normal here  :laugh:.


(http://fluffywoman.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/nena0703030308zf.jpg)

There were some videos and still of Nena performing in Europe, and when her arms raised, Americans were shocked.   :laugh:
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Post by: southendmd on June 17, 2013, 05:26:10 pm

(http://fluffywoman.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/nena0703030308zf.jpg)

There were some videos and still of Nena performing in Europe, and when her arms raised, Americans were shocked.   :laugh:

That's not why they were shocked.

The shock came when they realized Germans actually like that horrid song.
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Post by: Sason on June 17, 2013, 05:33:16 pm

(http://fluffywoman.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/nena0703030308zf.jpg)

There were some videos and still of Nena performing in Europe, and when her arms raised, Americans were shocked.   :laugh:

Apparently it doesn't take a lot to shock Americans...  ::) ::) ::)
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Post by: Front-Ranger on June 17, 2013, 06:16:12 pm
Speaking of hair, Henry Cavill's hirsute Superman is causing a sensation! But I'll go over to another topic to talk about that!