Subject: Hair Removal
All hair removal methods have tricked women with their promises of
easy, painless removal - The Epilady, scissors, razors, Nair and
now...the wax. Read on.........
My night began as any other normal weeknight. Come home, fix dinner,
play with the kids. I then had the thought that would ring painfully
in my mind for the next few hours: " Maybe should pull the waxing
kit out Of the medicine cabinet."
So I headed to the site of my demise: the bathroom. It was one of
those "cold wax" kits. No melting a clump of hot wax, you just rub
the strips together in your hand, they get warm and you peel them
apart and press them to your leg (or wherever else) and you pull the
hair Right off.
No muss, no fuss. How hard can it be? I mean, I'm not a genius, but
I a am mechanically inclined enough to figure this out. (YA THINK!?!)
So I pull one of the thin strips out. Its two strips facing each
other stuck together. Instead of rubbing them together, my genius
kicks in so I get out the hair dryer and heat it to 1000 degrees.
("Cold wax," yeah...right! ) I lay the strip across my thigh. Hold
the skin around it tight and pull. It works!
OK, so it wasn't the best feeling, but it wasn't too bad. I can do
this!
Hair removal no longer eludes me! I am She-rah, fighter of all
wayward body hair and maker of smooth skin extra ordinaries.
With my next wax strip I move north. After checking on the kids, I
sneak back into the bathroom, for the ultimate hair fighting
championship. I drop my panties and place one foot on the toilet.
Using the same procedure, I apply the wax strip across the right
side of my bikini line, covering the right half of my hoo-ha and
stretching down to the inside of my butt cheek (it was a long strip)
I inhale deeply and brace myself... RRRRIIIPPP!! !! I'm blind!!!
Blinded from pain!!!!.... OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!! ! Vision returning, I
notice that I've only managed to pull off half the strip. CRAP!
Another deep breath and RIPP! Everything is spinning and spotted.
I think I may pass out...must stay conscious... must stay conscious.
Do I hear crashing drums??? Breathe, breathe...OK, back to normal.
I want to see my trophy - a wax covered strip, the one that has
caused me so much pain, with my hairy pelt sticking to it. I want to
revel in the glory that is my triumph over body hair. I hold up the
strip.
There's no hair on it. Where is the hair??? WHERE IS THE WAX???
Slowly I ease my head down, foot still perched on the toilet. I see
the hair. The h air that should be on the strip...it's not! I touch.
I am touching wax.
I run my fingers over the most sensitive part of my body, which is
now covered in cold wax and matted hair. Then I make the next BIG
mistake...remember my foot is still propped upon the toilet? I know
I need to do something. So I put my foot down.
Sealed shut! My butt is sealed shut. Sealed shut!
I penguin walk around the bathroom trying to figure out what to do
and think to mysel f "Please do n't let me get the urge to poop. My
head may pop off!" What can I do to melt the wax?
Hot water!! Hot water melts wax!! I'll run the hottest water I can
stand into the bathtub, get in, immerse the wax-covered bits and the
wax should melt and I can gently wipe it off, right???
*WRONG!!!!!! !*
I get in the tub - the water is slightly hotter than that used to
torture prisoners of war or sterilize surgical equipment - I sit.
Now, the only thing worse than having your nether regions glued
together, is having them glued together and then glued to the bottom
of the tub...in scalding hot water. Which, by the way, doesn't melt
cold wax.
So, now I'm stuck to the bottom of the tub as though I had cemented
myself to the porcelain!! God bless the man who had convinced me a
few months ago to have a phone put in the bathroom!!!! !
I call my friend, thinking surely she has waxed before and has some
secret of how to get me undone. It's a ver y good conversation
starter "So, my butt and hoo-ha are glued together to the bottom of
the tub!"
There is a slight pause. She doesn't know any secret tricks for
removal but she does try to hide her laughter from me. She wants to
know exactly where the wax is located, "Are we talking cheeks or
hole or hoo-ha?"
She's laughing out loud by now...I can hear her. I give her the
rundown and she suggests I call the number on the side of the box.
YEAH!!!!! Right!! I shou ld be the joke of someone else's night.
While we go through various solutions. I resort to trying to scrape
the < BR>wax off with a razor . Nothing feels better than to have
your girlie goodies covered in hot wax, glued shut, stuck to the tub
in super hot water and then dry-shaving the sticky wax off!! By now
the brain is not working, dignity has taken a major hike and I'm
pretty sure I'm going to need Post-Traumatic Stress counseling for
this event.
My friend is still talking with me when I finally see my saving
grace....the lotion they give you to remove the excess wax. What do
I really have to lose at this point? I rub some on and OH MY
GOD!!!!!!!
The scream probably woke the kids and scared the dickens out of my
friend. It's sooo painful, but I really don't care. "IT WORKS!!
It works !!" I get a hearty congratulation from my friend and she
hangs up. I successfully remove the remainder of the wax and then
notice to my grief and despair....THE HAIR IS STILL THERE....... ALL
OF IT!
So I recklessly shave it off. Heck, I'm numb by now. Nothing hurts.
I could have amputated my own leg at this point.
Next week I'm going to try hair color......
so I'll start with a scary but funny srtory - I hoping there is not an ounce of truth in it at all!!!!!
I got 2 spots 2 days ago. Today I'm knackered, have no concentration and grumpy - guess what! My period just started! Even if my cycle wasn't like clockwork (cos I'm on the pill and have been for 9 years) I could tell a mile away when it was about to start.
GHA!!
And, re: irritability, etc. ... for me PMS has always meant something more like a little phase of being relatively depressed. Since I recognize it as PMS, it's acutally not so bad sometimes... just recognizing it as a passing phase.
And for me, it's really true... if I'm living in a situation where there are a lot of women sharing one bathroom... I will regulate to be on the other women's cycles. It's honestly pretty fascinating.
I've never had my legs waxed - I'm too much of a scardy cat - plus you'd have to let the hairs grow pretty long before you wax (mind you I'm quite lazy and often I do have prickly legs!)
I will regulate to be on the other women's cycles. It's honestly pretty fascinating.
Ladies: would you recommend a Tylenol the next time I get a mammo? As you well know, it hurts so freaking bad to get that done! Same question for the pelvic exam/PAP. They were unable to complete it the last time I was supposed to have one done. It is so painful.
Mammograms, on the other hand, I would say are on the extreme side of uncomfortable. I remember seeing an internet joke about how you can prepare for a mammogram by slamming your breast in a refrigerator door and then running over it with the car, or something like that. That's about right, but luckily you only have to endure it for a minute or so.
So girls that wax! ........ suggestions puh-leese - I'm going to go for a bikini wax for my holiday - so how long before I go should I get it done - so I don't have big welts on my bikini line while I sunbathe but not lots of hairs either!!!
You shouldn't have big welts on your bikini. If that happens, they may be using wax that is too hot, or too thick. I had one woman who used the wrong kind of wax on my underarms once and I ended up with huge red welts...believe me, I never went back to her!
Before vacation...I would think a week would be safe.
The welts can also be a result of ingrown hairs. Since pubic hairs are tight and curly, they have a tendency to become ingrown...more than hairs on your legs (at least for me). So keep an eye on that. There is a product called "Tend Skin" which is supposed to help prevent this. I have read mixed reviews on how well it works. One comment I read said just use vodka on a cotton ball!
L
I had the bikini wax done once. I couldn't bear the thought of the Brazilian, though.....
My niece is 9 years old and started her period yesterday!
My niece is 9 years old and started her period yesterday!
:o
So young but seems to be so much more the norm now.....
Wow, that is young. But it's true, not unusual these days.
It must be difficult to manage all the period ... arrangements, at 9. Heck, it's difficult to manage them at 49. My sons, 11 and 13, are just barely getting down the basics of ordinary grooming. I can't imagine them dealing with pads and tampons and that stuff.
Funny you're mentioning this today. My daughter is 11 and a half and started her period - today.
*sigh* My Baby!
I was 11 too then, but 9 seems awfully early :-\
what you all think are the most empowering and wonderful things about being female...I am blessed to have an easy answer to that question--I define myself as female because I produced two children, and I'm very proud of that! But, going beyond that as you asked, I do have a knowledge of the act of creation within me and I think that is at its esence female. I am never happier than when I am creating something or helping it realize its full potential.
How do you define yourself as female? Is it just a biological identity or do you think of it as something deeper or more profound?
And, again, what are the aspects of being female that you find most exciting, powerful and important?
Hi Ladies,
I've only just noticed this thread, so it'll take me a little bit of time to catch up on all the gossip .... but I do love a good natter!!
Susie (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_1_201.gif)
it says AT YOUR OWN RISK!!
just be glad you weren't here when we was talking periods and stuff!! ;D
just be glad you weren't here when we was talking periods and stuff!! ;DWho sez he wasn't here!!
What's "felale"? (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_3.gif)
ya'll better straighten up in here!!
Funny you're mentioning this today. My daughter is 11 and a half and started her period - today.
*sigh* My Baby!
I was 11 too then, but 9 seems awfully early :-\
I agree with what Leslie said. Neither a mammogram nor a pelvic exam should hurt too much. I think that a little discomfort is to be expected... but if either procedure is truly painful, then the practitioner is doing something wrong. Be sure to speak up for yourself if you feel pain in those procedures. Don't take the doctor's behavior for granted... you definitely have the right to speak up if you're uncomfortable.
For me, I almost always get bad cramps (sort of like menstrual cramps) following a pelvic exam, so yes, I often take Tylenol or something. But, usually the exam itself doesn't hurt (cause sharp pains, etc.).
Well, I took a Tylenol this morning, then let the dr. at my campus health center do the women's exam. And I survived it!!
This is a major accomplishment for me as you might have gathered from what I said earlier.
Also, I am pretty sure the assistant in my regular doc's office must have done something wrong last year when she tried and failed to complete the Pap, because now I recall bleeding for several days afterwards.
No such problem this time.
Whew. the doc even said I might get to be excused from any more Paps for 2 to 3 years. 8)
I was 10 when I got mine. I was in 5th grade at the time... and I ended up being really happy that I had a head start on the girls in my junior high school when it came to understanding how to handle having my period. Kids... and particularly the boys... at my junior high (6th - 8th grade) were awful (I mean really cruel) about teasing girls when word would get out that they had gotten their periods for the first time. I'm sure some of those girls are still to this day psychologically impacted by some of the teasing. I am just so glad that I'm not pubescent anymore. It was such a tough time... and mostly because kids that age can be so mean.
:-\
I agree 100%, Amanda, about what a tough time that was...I was in 6th grade, so that made me 10 too. I'm worried about a seeming overall trend for girls to start menstruating at earlier and earlier ages. My mother was 15, I think she said. I want to blame it on hormones in the food supply, but that may just be a conspiracy theory. Anyhow I find it worrisome that children so young are maturing sexually when it just doesn't seem possible that they can have the emotional or social maturity needed for dealing with all the stuff that comes with it.
I remember I had to get my 6th grade teacher, Mrs. Shasteen, to convince my mother I was old enough for a bra. The boys were merciless if they could see your nipples through your shirt! ::) I still hold that one against Mom if the subject comes up!
I honestly don't even remember getting my first bra. That seems kind of wierd since it often feels like such a big deal. But, I *do* remember that old trick of kids snapping the bra strap against my back as a "prank." So things were tough if you didn't have one and tough if you did!
::)
i was in 4th grade when i got my first bra.. it was size 32A. I remember..
Man, if we're not already in therapy, we prob'ly need to be. ;D ;D
...I'm worried about a seeming overall trend for girls to start menstruating at earlier and earlier ages. ...
I got 2 spots 2 days ago. Today I'm knackered, have no concentration and grumpy - guess what! My period just started! Even if my cycle wasn't like clockwork (cos I'm on the pill and have been for 9 years) I could tell a mile away when it was about to start.
GHA!!
you bleach your armpits too, or the mustache
:laugh: just the 'tash!
I had that problem for several YEARS after my children were born!! But finally I went back to getting enuff sleep and it went away...but then the wrinkles appeared!! There are creams that have bleach in them that you can put on at night. I used it on sun damage spots on my upper lip. And they worked okay but just applying sunscreen religiously worked almost as well.
I also use something called Vitamin A moisture mask from...Boots? The Body Shop? one of those. Instead of applying it and then taking it off like a mask, I put it on my face just like a moisturizer and let it sink in, just wiping off any excess. I also apply it at night. It works really well, and gives your whole face radiance. There are also moisturizers that reflect light that make the deep-set portions of your face appear lighter.
How about applying bronzer to the rest of your face so it is a little darker? That might work better than trying to lighten the eye area.
4 - 5 hours/night is not very much!!
:o
But is there some kind of vitamin deficiency at work here or is there some procedure or action that can diminish the darkness?
The racoon-look can be a hint that a person has problems with their kidneys. Hopefully that's not the case, but you could keep it in the back of your mind and ask your doc next time you see him.
EEK!! Ok -- I will. But I've had it to some extent for a long, long time. So I hope it's just from lack of sleep, genetics, thinning skin due to age --- ugh!!! that's not so great either!!! :P 8) ;D
Advice needed.
I don't know that there is anything to be done about this. BUT....if someone knows of something, let me know, please.
I have light colored skin, but my eyelids and under eye area is very dark. With no make - up -- it's raccoon city. I know about concealer. I have some that is used for people who have to cover scars or dark birthmarks. But is there some kind of vitamin deficiency at work here or is there some procedure or action that can diminish the darkness?
Thanks in advance. 8)
I think a really good moisturizer (rich in vitamin K & E) for around the eyes can go a long way.
I have a friend who used skin lighteners to reduce the darkness around her eyes, but then you'd have to be sure of what creams you use because of the sensitive nature of the skin ...
And other thing - get plenty of sleep! :)
Hi Shasta, As I grow older, I am noticing the under-eye darkness a little more, but then again, I, like you, know I don't get enough sleep at night either. When I do manage to get 7 hours of sleep a night for several nights in a row, it seems to help. Seven hours seems to be the golden number for me. I don't notice the darkness and my face doesn't look so tired. My 4 legged hairy "kids" wake me up early to let them outside, and to eat, so that doesn't help either. On weekends, they don't know it's the weekend, and they wake up pretty much the same time as they do during the week. I usually go to bed around 11:00/11:30 PM and get up weekdays at 5:30 AM. Weekends I usually get up about 6:30 AM/7:00 AM. There never seems to be enough hours in the day, does there?
I have a friend who used skin lighteners to reduce the darkness around her eyes, but then you'd have to be sure of what creams you use because of the sensitive nature of the skin ...
My husband also has had it for ages. That's why I know about the possible connection with kidney problems. Luckily, his kidneys are just fine.
But you're right, the other combination of causes isn't too great either ;) :laugh:
Oh well, mother nature sure has given you a fair trade-off for it. Either you'll stay healthy like a horse until you reach 90, or you don't get orange-peel skin, or your teeth are arragned beautifully even (this comes from a person who knows that uneven teeth are not a simple cosmetic problem, but also will cause health problems once you're not 20 anymore ::)).
I was going to suggest that earlier, but I think it depends on whether the under-eye darkness is the result of skin pigmentation -- in which lighteners would help -- or skin that's just translucent enough to show what's going on underneath. In other words, these undereye circles aren't bruises (I don't know what causes them, actually), but if you put lightener on a bruise I don't think it does anything.
I get circles under my eyes when I worry a lot and dont get enough sleep.. Like in the pics of the WC Florida Brokie meet. Its my daughter again.. Doesnt matter how old they are, they still worry you.. I had a terrible nights sleep night before I met up with Truman, Bob and Steve. The concealer that I used didnt cover the circles, and my eyes were puffy too. Makeup does wonders for my looks most of the time. I got blood work done last week and the results are all fine. So thats a good thing. For me this whole aging thing is a difficult transition. I dont like it!
You sound so much like me, Shasta, with the dust and the animals and the age (I'm in my early 50's). Did you ever think you'd get to be the age you are? I didn't. I often wonder how I got to be the age I am so quickly! When you said you look in the mirror and expect to see a girl, and you see a 50+ lady, I feel exactly the same way. I don't feel any different than when I was in my 20's & 30's; maybe a little wiser and more mature, but to me, I'll think we'll alwaybe be girls!!!
I also use something called Vitamin A moisture mask from...Boots? The Body Shop? one of those. Instead of applying it and then taking it off like a mask, I put it on my face just like a moisturizer and let it sink in, just wiping off any excess. I also apply it at night. It works really well, and gives your whole face radiance.
Yup, that's it! I have some slathered on my face right now!
I don't like it either, Dev! >:( I guess it's inevitable, but I still feel very young in my mind -- my body says different tho. Sometimes I look in the mirror expecting a girl and I see this 50 + year old lady looking back!! :-\ It's a bummer.
I have had those circles too Shasta. All my life. i asked the docs about it. They said it is a combination of two things
fair skin, and deep set eyes usually. The dark is the skin allowing the hollow areas to show thru/ I was told that you
cannot eleminate them, you just have to conceal them the best yu can.
...I look like Keith Richards the day after...
wow.. see the problem is would I have the patience to do all this?
Nice to meet you by the way Nevermore
Lee -- I went to Target today and got the Boots Botanic Vitamin Recovery Mask, and just for good measure, the moisturizing eye cream. LOL 8)
I'll let ya know. :)
I've started to use Burt's Bees oil the past few years - the whole name is Burt's Bee's Vitamin E Bath & Body oil. It's for general moisturizing, but I rub it on my face, with a few additional drops around the eyes, after showering. If you do that before toweling off and apply it to damp skin, your skin absorbs it very fast and it has a nice fresh lemony scent.
Thanks for the advice about mascara a while back Buds. :)
OK, so, now I have an almost ridiculously girlie question. This weekend I really need to go bra shopping. It's really time for me to invest in a few new bras, but I absolutely loathe this type of shopping trip. I tend to put this errand off as long as possible. So, my question is... I've read in magazines and seen on T.V. here and there the recommendation that it's a good idea to get a professional fitting done at a nice store (at least one time to get a good and accurate idea of your real size). Has anyone had a professional fitting before? And, if so, is it worth it? To me, it sounds almost mind-numbingly embarassing or awkward. But, I'd really be curious to know if it would be worth the effort.
Thanks for the advice about mascara a while back Buds. :)I think it would be worth the effort if you are not happy with the bras that you have purchased recently.
OK, so, now I have an almost ridiculously girlie question. This weekend I really need to go bra shopping. It's really time for me to invest in a few new bras, but I absolutely loathe this type of shopping trip. I tend to put this errand off as long as possible. So, my question is... I've read in magazines and seen on T.V. here and there the recommendation that it's a good idea to get a professional fitting done at a nice store (at least one time to get a good and accurate idea of your real size). Has anyone had a professional fitting before? And, if so, is it worth it? To me, it sounds almost mind-numbingly embarassing or awkward. But, I'd really be curious to know if it would be worth the effort.
Thanks for the advice about mascara a while back Buds. :)
OK, so, now I have an almost ridiculously girlie question. This weekend I really need to go bra shopping. It's really time for me to invest in a few new bras, but I absolutely loathe this type of shopping trip. I tend to put this errand off as long as possible. So, my question is... I've read in magazines and seen on T.V. here and there the recommendation that it's a good idea to get a professional fitting done at a nice store (at least one time to get a good and accurate idea of your real size). Has anyone had a professional fitting before? And, if so, is it worth it? To me, it sounds almost mind-numbingly embarassing or awkward. But, I'd really be curious to know if it would be worth the effort.
I was seriously thinking about getting a professional fitting myself. I do recommend you go get one. I'm sure you'll find it very helpful.
It's up to you, but I doubt I'd find it embarrassing. I've been getting mammograms for sometime now - not only do you have to go topless in front of the tech, she gets to haul your breasts around into strange and unnatural positions to be squished.
It's up to you, but I doubt I'd find it embarrassing. I've been getting mammograms for sometime now - not only do you have to go topless in front of the tech, she gets to haul your breasts around into strange and unnatural positions to be squished.
It's SO much better than buying bras in a department store, where you have to keep going back with all kinds of different brands and sizes and styles, most of which don't fit -- and then when you're done, fit the straps back into those teeny little hangers.
I got a proper fitting at Bravissimo a few months - ago - bes thing I've done in ages.
I went from a 38D - which I thought fitted fine to a 32 FF or a 32G - my shape looks amazing now. It took a bit of gtting used to the tightness of the bra but my shape does look good and I dont hang out of it at all now.
So Id say go get fitted somewhere that is GOOD!
It does not have to be akward now. They're very good at giving your privacy.
Anyone that shops at Victoria's Secret, can you tell me what bras you like best?
We are nearly boob-size twins Kelda
I'm the Queen of the Wonder Bra.
Love those things. They really make you feel like you're wearing armour and nothing is going where it isn't supposed to.
However you do pay a price. I have marks on my skin from the underwires, but boy you can tell those things really do their job of hitchin' 'em up and movin' em out when you take it off after a long day at work. Gravity takes over and you feel like you're sagging to your knees. ;D
so I'll start with a scary but funny story - I hoping there is not an ounce of truth in it at all!!!!!
OMG, Kelda, when I read "scary story", I skipped the rest, and went to the story, and thought the whole time this was an experience you had!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Glad to hear that it wasn't.
I'm also glad that I'm a man and don't have to do that waxing crap. I don't give a damn about the whole "manscaping" trend. Love me, love my body hair.
:laugh: :laugh:
OK, well now that we're totally into this subject, I have to ask. How many people here shave/wax/any other thing, in the ... uh, bikini-line area, except within the bikini line?
I'm very old-school, I'm afraid. I'm like, I wouldn't consider waxing/shaving away anything that's not visible from an actual bikini. But I know these things are subject to fashion, and I'm middle-aged and married and probably out of it, so ...
So how about you others? Dare I ask (ala Artiste), how far you go in this respect?
For anybody who cares to good answer, I will recommend a product that is pretty likely to make your eyelashes longer (albeit at some risk ;D).
I think that business of completely shaving smacks of pedophilia...reminds me too much of men that want you to pretend to be a little girl
When I think about it, shaving armpits and legs seems weird, too. Why do women "have to" do that? I mean, since my eyes are trained to expect hairless legs and pits, it doesn't look weird -- in fact, it's the other way around; hair in those places looks strange and unappealing. But rationally, that doesn't seem right. Even men don't "have to" shave their faces. It's optional.
Me too. To my eyes, it looks weird. Of course, the only woman I've seen who was completely shaved is Britney Spears. ::) But it just doesn't look adult to me.
Now, shaving it into a narrower shape -- what the character Joy on "My Name is Earl" called "the landing strip" :laugh: -- is different. That I don't mind.
When I think about it, shaving armpits and legs seems weird, too. Why do women "have to" do that? I mean, since my eyes are trained to expect hairless legs and pits, it doesn't look weird -- in fact, it's the other way around; hair in those places looks strange and unappealing. But rationally, that doesn't seem right. Even men don't "have to" shave their faces. It's optional.
Aren't there some cultures/countries whose female members do not shave? Not sure, but I've heard something like that. Anyone know?
Aren't there some cultures/countries whose female members do not shave? Not sure, but I've heard something like that. Anyone know?
MsMercury
What an absolutely charming combination he must be....... ;D.....I love hairy guys.....they can be bald on the head, no problem but on the body......I prefer FUR ;) ;D :D :o
Berit
Well, I've always disliked a lot of body hair on men but we've been together for 7 years ( known each other for 18 ) so obviously I no longer mind it that much. ;D When you love somebody things like that don't matter. His body hair is extremely soft too.
As for the trend in Germany being recent, I remember back in 1984, there were a number of comments here in America made about German singer Nena Kerner, lead singer for the group Nena. They were very popular at the time for their song "99 Red Balloons" and in some footage, she had raised her arms in a sleeveless shirt, and you could see her armpit hair. I remember not being bothered by it, but a number of people commented on it.
I have not always shaved there, but I go through stages and moods, where I keep it either trimmed, or completely shaven, and because I am in the mood to have it that way, I find it attractive and I feel very sexy and those feelings are reciprocated by my husband, and not in a pedophilic way,
I've always said, that sexuality, or sexiness, is how one thinks..... what is going on more in the mind than even what is going on in the bed, more of what is going on between the ears than what is going on between the legs.
For anybody who cares to good answer, I will recommend a product that is pretty likely to make your eyelashes longer (albeit at some risk ;D).
I have been reading the posts in here about "shaving" for the past week, and have hesitated to add my own, because it is such a personal thing. But I'm feeling in a "what the hell, put your two cents worth in" kinda mood today, so......
As much as most of us ladies do not enjoy the task of shaving or waxing, the bottom line is, it is our mindset, that smooth legs and arm pits is prettier, more feminine and much more attractive. It is no more or less a routine than getting our hair styled, or wearing an attractive outfit, if we feel good about it, then thats why we do it. I guess its what we, and others, perceive as attractive, and smooth legs and arm pits are considered that.
As far as shaving the "other area"....well........I find that being smooth "down there" very very sexy.
I have not always shaved there, but I go through stages and moods, where I keep it either trimmed, or completely shaven, and because I am in the mood to have it that way, I find it attractive and I feel very sexy and those feelings are reciprocated by my husband, and not in a pedophilic way, but because it adds a sense of adventure, and a "different" feel about things. Its just all about enjoyment of how one feels, and I like feeling sexy, or maybe the word "provocative" is what I should be using....its just all part of the sexual adventure.
I've always said, that sexuality, or sexiness, is how one thinks..... what is going on more in the mind than even what is going on in the bed, more of what is going on between the ears than what is going on between the legs..as long as you feel comfortable with it and it is what you want to do. But in saying that, if you are hesitant about trying something different, you will never know if it turns you on, if you dont try it, at least once.
And....another thing I like doing, is going out to dinner or somewhere public, and not wearing underwear under a dress.....I dont do it all the time, but once again, when I'm "in the mood", and I've done it, I find that gives me a real sexual turn on, not to mention what it does for my husband.....its all part of the adventure.
Heya K!
I'm still intrigued about this part of your post from a while back. How does such a product possibly work? Is it a fancy kind of mascara?
???
I'm guessing the reason for doc's not listening to us when we are young is because they are afraid we'll get older and regret it then want to sue them. You know how people can be. "But i was too young and didn't know what I was talking about!" I think it should be my decision since it's my body but I can see the other side too. Plus I know there are women who changed their mind. I know a lot of women who swore they didn't want kids but ended up having them later. I just knew I was one of those people not destined for kids. How could I explain that to a doc and have them believe me? They aren't going to buy, I just know.
sorry for the cramps Ms. Merc - hope they are better soon!
warning: heavy ick factor to follow!!!
on the subject of cramps (again, taking advantage of the female thread): I quit taking birth control pills about 6 months ago, after having taken them for about 4 or 5 years. I didn't consult anyone (i.e. my doctor) about stopping, just decided to stop. Here is what I have found: I have light bleeding for about 5-7 days - then a true period for 1 or 2 days, then done. Everyone think this is okay? Any reason to worry?
I actually have less cramps and less heavy bleeding off the pill, and just wanted to make sure it seemed 'normal' to every one else.
thanks, for indulging me...
LOL, isn't this thread remarkable! Some of the topics we've covered here are pretty amazing! ;D
And, this may be "too much information"... but this thread is pretty darn intimate, so here goes... the shifting of "schedules' based on other women around you... is very helpful/ convenient for lesbian couples. At least in my experience, often within just two months you're pretty close to synchronized. It's pretty incredible.
I take the pill Lybrel, which keeps you from ever getting periods. It's great! I've had one very short, slight one in about the past six months. Otherwise, I'm period free. I have a fibroid (sorry, TMI again) and had really bad periods, so now I feel I've been liberated.
Of course, I'm 50. If I were younger or still planning on further reproduction, I might be more nervous about what it was doing to my body.
I'm guessing the reason for doc's not listening to us when we are young is because they are afraid we'll get older and regret it then want to sue them. You know how people can be. "But i was too young and didn't know what I was talking about!" I think it should be my decision since it's my body but I can see the other side too. Plus I know there are women who changed their mind. I know a lot of women who swore they didn't want kids but ended up having them later. I just knew I was one of those people not destined for kids. How could I explain that to a doc and have them believe me? They aren't going to buy, I just know.
Oh yes, I know the phemomenon well of the period schedule with other women. I've heard other women say it as well. It always happens. The only thing is, where I work, almost all the women I work with have either had a hysterectomy or are going through menopause!
I've never heard of that - do you need to have a medical condition to get this?
no but I don't think it is recommended for younger women that might later want to get pregnant...
I am sure Leslie will be in shortly to give us all an education in it!
Yeah, as I mentioned before... "synchronicity" was definitely a noticeable trend at the women's college I attended. And, it's seemed to happen with all the women I've dated for any significant amount of time.
I read the Red Tent a long time ago. I remember that I liked it, but I don't remember a lot of the details about it at this point. It seems entirely possible that it probably touched on the subject of synchronicity, since the book was a lot about female-ness in general. There was a phase when it seemed like a ton of people were reading that book.
I read it a while back too - I think it was somewhat 'biblical' and I'm pretty sure it wasn't about synchronicity - the Red Tent is just where the woman went when she had her period.
Unless, of course, I am remembering a different book!
Well, since you suggested it...
Lybrel is a type of oral contraceptive (ie, "the pill") but it is designed to be taken 365 days a year. Most OCPs are dosed for 21 days with 7 days off, at which time a period occurs. Lybrel is taken daily and hence, no periods, although some women will have irregular spotting and breakthrough bleeding.
It can be used by younger women as a form of birth control. As with any OCP, all the usual caveats apply (smoking, etc). It will prevent pregnancy but it will not protect against STIs and HIV (no OCP does, obviously).
Kelda, it might be something you could take. Check with your healthcare provider.
http://www.wyeth.com/hcp/lybrel
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Lybrel is a type of oral contraceptive (ie, "the pill") but it is designed to be taken 365 days a year. Most OCPs are dosed for 21 days with 7 days off, at which time a period occurs. Lybrel is taken daily and hence, no periods, although some women will have irregular spotting and breakthrough bleeding.
I'm back to revisit the topic of lipstick/ lip-gloss/ chapstick... When I went to that art opening two weekends ago, I bought some lip-gloss (slightly tinted and with some sparkly stuff in it) just for the special occasion, and now I think I'm a little addicted to it. As I posted here a while back... for years I've resisted lipstick. But, now this lip-gloss thing seems really fun and different. It's really not too obvious (not like bright red lipstick or something). It's just subtle and shinier than my old stand-by Burt's Bees chapstick. Just thought I'd report on this change of heart.
8)
To me, lipstick is a sexual thing. Okay, maybe I have a one-track mind, but I use it whenever I need a sensual pick-me-up, so to speak...I like the look of it sliding out of the holder, the smoothness and silkiness on my lips, and the sensual color, even the taste!
Gee Lee......the way you describe lipstick, nearly gives me an orgasm........ :o :o
A couple of weeks ago I went with my husband to the haircutter and observed as she trimmed his eyebrows, at his request. Basically it was like a haircut. She used a fine tooth comb and a small scissor to trim what hairs came out the other side of the comb. Feeling brave, I thought I would try it on myself tonight as an adjunct to tweezing. Well, it worked wonderfully. My brows turned out nice and even, and I didn't even poke an eye out. I am amazed sometimes that there are new personal grooming tricks to be learned after all these years.
I guess the reason the doctors won't do it when women are young is because of the possibility of suing, but is that really something that would stand up in Court? After one is an adult, one should take responsibility for one's own actions, I can't believe that a Court would side with the woman.
Suppose something like a woman regretting getting her tubes tied when she was in her early 20's does come up in court, all that has to happen for the woman to win her case against a doctor is basically for her to testify in front of the judge and maybe a jury and cry and sob and bemoan her inability to have babies and the tragedy of a poor decision made when she was young - and it's all the doctor's fault.
Most companies I've worked for that deal directly with the public all agree that if the issue of children come into any lawsuit, it's always better to settle out of court even if the injured party is clearly in the wrong because no jury will side with the
big mean corporations
big bad doctors
name your demonized organization
Is it any wonder women in society still have a reputation of being indecisive, waffly, emotionally unstable, wanting to please their menfolk and unreasonable?
I'm one of those women who made up my mind when I was 5 years old that I didn't want kids. All these years later, I still don't and for the same reasons. Nothing has changed that, not any man, nor any hormones, nor the plump, diapered bundles of germs (babies) that my friends have had and are currently showing off.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/lancegreen/pig_with_lipstick_31.jpg)
Interestingly, some of my co-workers ask me if I've ever wanted kids -- very regularly, about once a month or so. And I'm talking about the same people asking the same question. It's like they think if they ask just one more time, they'll get a different answer.
When I was young I had the kind of eyebrows that look like they're trying to grow together, and would occasionally tweeze them but for some reason I've always found that practice of pulling out one hair at a time kind of creepy. Finally, in my late 20s, I had my eyebrows waxed and that pretty much took care of it. No more Neanderthal brows, no more tweezing.
Sculpting eyebrows has to be done by someone else -- you can either botch it or get hot wax in your eyes if you do it yourself. However, you can get rid of stray hairs between brows as that part of the face is above the bridge of you nose.
Mine used to be like that. It took years of plucking, until eventually I overdid it somewhat and ended up with pencil thin eyebrows before they eventually behaved. These days it's just those occasional stray ones above the bridge of your nose that I get. The rest of them seem to have finally learned that if they start their tricks again they'll be plucked into oblivion! :laugh:
Don't know this for a medical fact, but hair on eyebrows seems to "give up" pretty early on.
What I never really understood was why it seemed necessary to wax off most/all of one's eyebrows just to use a pencil to fill them back in again. I guess that was back in the day when skinny eyebrows were the 'in-thing'... ?
I also knew very early on that I didn't want any kids. When I was a child I used to think I fantacized about having 12 kids
One of the benefits of waxing is that if you do it regularly, the hair gradually stops growing back. I waxed my legs during the 1970s and most of the 1980s, and all I have to remove now is a very thin strip of hairs on the front. The rest just stopped growing back. Now I just use a little disposable razor; there's so little hair to remove that waxing isn't really necessary.
Don't know this for a medical fact, but hair on eyebrows seems to "give up" pretty early on.
On the subject of hair removal...
Has anyone ever tried Nad's No heat Wax?
I've seen it on infomercials and the shopping channels, etc.
It claims to be an all-natural product with super hair removal results (well, they all claim that).
I am curious - anyone here tried it?
It has an unfortunate name seeing as the contraction for gonads in slang is ''nads'.
Yep....we use the term "nads" here sometimes too....
Reminds me of a greyhound that used to run.....who had been neutered......
His name was NO NADS....
Reminds me of a greyhound that used to run.....who had been neutered......
His name was NO NADS....
I just survived the Cowboy Doctor exam again the other day. Thank goodness I took a Tylenol before they did it.
It took some doing, because apparently I have.................
get ready for a direct quote.....................................
"a shy cervix."
Well, who'd a thunk it?
I just survived the Cowboy Doctor exam again the other day. Thank goodness I took a Tylenol before they did it.
It took some doing, because apparently I have.................
get ready for a direct quote.....................................
"a shy cervix."
Well, who'd a thunk it?
>:( :-\ Sorry... I get to suffer the indignity next week....
Just close your eyes and think of it being Brad Pitt down there.....or......if you prefer, Angelina Jolie.......... :o
Just close your eyes and think of it being Brad Pitt down there.....or......if you prefer, Angelina Jolie.......... :o
And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . . :P
On the subject of hair removal...
Has anyone ever tried Nad's No heat Wax?
I've seen it on infomercials and the shopping channels, etc.
It claims to be an all-natural product with super hair removal results (well, they all claim that).
I am curious - anyone here tried it?
And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . . :P
I have--not on myself, but on my brother--he needed someone to do a little "manscaping" on his back (I'm sure he'd appreciate my sharing this tidbit). It's like a sticky gel. if you've ever used a sticky mousetrap, I'd bet the compounds are the same.
It does work--in fact, one of the virtues is that you can reuse the same gel, though it gets full of hairs and is kind of gross to look at after a while, and if you've ever tried to wax yourself and had it harden on you--well, no worries about that with Nads. I don't know if it's more or less painful than waxing or about the same. My brother screamed like a little girl, but men are such babies about suffering for art--if he was a veteran of tweezing, waxing, four-inch heels, menstrual cramps, etc., he might have a different pain threshold. So I will say the pain level is comparable.
The only drawback is that it doesn't seem to "grab" the hairs as much as wax does, so you might have to reapply it numerous times (I wouldn't use it on my "girly bits for that reason) and round up the strays with tweezers, and I don't know if it can be use for spot-cleaning such as the brows or upper lip.
But if you wanted to wax your legs and were looking for a less messy alternative, I'd say definitely, go for it.
One tip that I got from a freind who runs a chain of waxing spas, if you powder the area you want to wax first, it makes the wax adhere to the hairs better and not to the skin, and I would bet this applies to Nads too.
Good luck!
hahhahahahhahahahha.....well......I was thinkin more of their hands :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Speaking of hands - having gone through the old feet in stirrups ceiling watch a month ago - why the &*%#$!! does the doctor say "OK, get ready, my hands are going to be cold." ???
If they're cold fuckwit, then warm them up!!!! There are actually products made and they're called - confusingly enough - hand warmers!!!!. If those are too expensive to put in the budget, you have a sink in the room don't you? RUN THE HOT WATER!!
Jeez, do I have to think of everything?!?!? >:(
>:( :-\ Sorry... I get to suffer the indignity next week....
And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . . :P
OMG Bliss......
I think you have suffered enough examination nightmares for all of us.
Well the good news is I got the results back of the latest one a couple of weeks ago, and thankfully everything's normal. A few years back I kept getting abnormal results back - not abnormal enough for them to be very concerned, but enough to keep a close eye on me. I had about 4 years when I was having to have smear tests every 6 months (not fun!). Eventually the gynae doc decided that after 4 years of abnormal smears they'd got to do loop diathermy (though because of all my other medical problems as well, they decided that rather than do it under local anaesthetic, they'd do it under GA). Fortunately, that did the trick, and never was I more relieved than when they said I could go back on the normal 3 yearly recall programme!
As my mum was diagnosed with breast cancer 8 years ago, and my grandma (her mum) died of breast cancer when I was only five years old, and both my other grandma and my mum ended up needing hysterectomies, I'm kinda paranoid about smear tests.
I've got to the point though now where having the actual test itself doesn't bother me. After so many over the past 10 years, and then seeing a urologist on and off for 2-3 years as well, I just think 'what's another one?' :laugh:
I had gone to a new place that has the latest technology less-squishier digital mammogram place.
This cartoon always makes me laugh. :laugh:
And that they happen to have an uncommonly cold tongue . . . :P
Lynne, you should be able to return the product you bought accidentally and get your money back. I know it seems strange if you've already opened and used it, but most drug stores are pretty good about this.
I had unclear skin on and off until I was in my 30s. Not really severely, but I always had one or two or three zits at any given time. I tried everything, particularly benzoyl peroxide. Nothing was very effective.
Then, in the early '90s, I heard about alpha hydroxy acid. I started using it and pretty much never got another pimple again. It was fantastic. I also don't have many wrinkles at 51, and I think the alpha hydroxy might be part of the reason for that, too (I do have jowls, though -- it's not a magic potion ::)).
If anyone is interested, I find the best well-priced, fragrance free skin products -- including alpha hydroxy gel and a lot of other stuff -- are Paula's Choice products, available at www.cosmeticscop.com (http://www.cosmeticscop.com). I can't recommend those products, and that website, highly enough. Paula Begoun, who runs it, got her start as a "cosmetics cop," rating products and debunking unrealistic claims by cosmetics manufacturers. After writing about this for a while, she started her own line of products.
Hey there, Crayons! Thanks muchly for the advice. I ended up giving my opened moisturizer to my housemate. She's in her early twenties and uses similar products.
At some point, I'll probably check out the alpha hydroxy products at the website you recommended. The wrinkles and jowls are certainly starting to appear. And it's odd but there's been a marked change in skin texture over time, especially the last 5 years or so. :-\
I tried a cleanser once that was 'Age Defying'...I don't remember the brand, but I think it was one of the pre-moistened wipes with alpha hydroxy. I didn't care for that very much - again, too drying. But I feel like it is definitely getting time to start a whole regimen, including eye cream, and maybe a weekly masque!
::) [Just kill me now!]
oh stop! You are not near old enough for that! we are all our own worst enemies.... ;)
You make a good point. I would love to be someone who ages gracefully, but to-date I'm not feeling the least bit gracious about it. On the other hand, there's not an age I would go back to, so I guess I just have to stand it! ;)
Yesterday I went into a new store called Melt and bought some Sugar Scrub. It's great...only problem was that a smallish tub of it cost $26!! Think I'll stick with Lush which is more reasonably priced.
If you can't fix it ... :-\
But I think these days "aging gracefully" just means anything short of voluntarily getting your face sliced up with a knife. There's something about that that just creeps me out, even though the older I get the more I understand the temptation.
I'd be so afraid of ending up like poor Kanye West's mother, though ... :(
Crabtree & Evelyn are my favorite bath products. ;D
Nantucket Briar is my favorite.
...Lynne - are you still loving your Positively Radiant stuff? I am prone to breaking out and dryness (horrendous combination), and I have recently been managing okay with sensitive skin moisturizers... First used Dove, then, b/c the store didn't have Dove, Oil of Olay... but if you really like yours so much I'll keep that in the back of my mind...
Did she end up with a really botched job? If so, very sad.
Kanye West’s mother dies after surgery
58-year-old had cosmetic procedures after one surgeon refused to operate
msnbc.com news services
updated 9:58 p.m. CT, Mon., Nov. 12, 2007
LOS ANGELES - An autopsy was scheduled for the mother of Kanye West after preliminary information suggested she died of surgical complications, a coroner’s investigator said Monday.
According to TMZ.com and Access Hollywood, West had contacted Dr. Andre Aboolian of Beverly Hills in June to discuss a tummy tuck and breast reduction.
“She was interested in some cosmetic procedures and we had discussed that in order for her to go through with the procedures, which she was a good candidate for, she needed what’s called a medical clearance, which just about anybody over the age of 40 is required to have,” Dr. Aboolian explained to Access. “Because of Donda’s age, she was required to get some cardiac clearance to make sure her heart is in good shape to go through for the surgery.”
West died Saturday night at age 58 at Centinela Freeman Regional Medical Center in Marina del Rey, where paramedics took her after she stopped breathing at her home, according to Deborah Ettinger, a hospital vice president.
A spokesperson for the hospital also told Access Hollywood, “Donda West was brought into the emergency room at Centinela. She was unresponsive and in cardiac arrest. They tried to revive her and were unsuccessful.”
Preliminary information indicated she died from “complications of surgery,” Lt. Fred Corral told The Associated Press. An autopsy was expected to be conducted by Wednesday, Corral said.
“Kanye West, his family and friends would like to thank everyone for the outpouring of support and kind words that have come in from across the country since the death of his mother,” publicist Maureen O’Connor said in a statement. Reached by phone, she declined to provide details on West’s death.
Patricia Green, a consultant who has worked as a publicist for West in the past, had previously told news agencies that West died after cosmetic surgery. She backed away from those comments in later interviews with the AP, saying she was not sure of the cause because she had received conflicting information.
“I spoke to her about two weeks ago and she was supposed to see the internist for the medical clearance, the internist that I had recommended, that I work with,” Aboolian added. “But she never followed through as far as I know.”
Aboolian was concerned about a condition West had that may cause a heart attack during surgery, said Jo-Ann Geffen, the surgeon’s publicist, declining to elaborate because of patient privacy rights.
Geffen said she didn’t know if West had cosmetic surgery elsewhere.
In an interview with TMZ.com, Dr. Jan Adams revealed that he performed cosmetic procedures on West before she died. Adams said that West had consulted with him over a period of four months, and that she changed her mind numerous times before finally greenlighting the surgeries.
Adams also claimed that he did nothing wrong and shared with TMZ his opinion of Aboolian. “He is sleazy and manipulating the truth to elevate his own importance,” said Adams.
West was known for the strong bond she shared with her hip-hop star son. She was often seen by his side at parties and award shows. Kanye West often spoke of his close relationship with his mother, who raised him alone after her husband left when Kanye was 3.
The former chairwoman of Chicago State University’s English department, Donda West served as chief executive of West Brands LLC, the parent company of her son’s business enterprises. She also was chairwoman of the Kanye West Foundation, an educational nonprofit that works to decrease dropout rates and improve literacy.
Not to sound flip, but yes, you could say it was botched. And yes, very sad.
gee, the ladies have gone quiet now. ;D
and just when I discovered this thread >:(
I wanted to talk about something NC17 so probably for the best that everyone else is gone :laugh:
O0
Im curious....what is NC17 ?
G - General Audiences
All ages admitted.
No nudity, no sex, no drugs, minimal violence, and limited use of language that goes beyond polite conversation.
PG - Parental Guidance Suggested
Some material may not be suitable for children (under 10).
May have mild violence and/or action, mild language and sexual references, brief nudity, intense images, sexual themes, crude humor or very mild drug references.
PG-13 - Parents Strongly Cautioned
Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
May contain moderate language, minimal strong language, some explicit nudity, intense violence and/or gore, or mild drug content.
R - Restricted
Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.
May contain very strong language or strong sexual emphasis, strong explicit nudity, strong violence and gore, or strong drug content.
NC-17 - No One 17 and Under Admitted
May contain very strong sexual or offensive language, strong explicit nudity, very strong gore or disturbing violence, or graphic drug abuse.
If a film is not submitted for rating, the label NR (Not Rated) is used; however, "NR" is not an official MPAA classification. Films as yet unrated by the MPAA, but that are expected to be submitted for rating, are often advertised with the notice "This Film is Not Yet Rated" or, less frequently, "Rating Pending."
and just when I discovered this thread >:(
I wanted to talk about something NC17 so probably for the best that everyone else is gone :laugh:
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NC17 is a movie rating desingation from the Motion Picture Association of America's system. It's one notch above R.
This is the list of descriptions of the different rating levels from the wikipedia page about movie ratings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system)
Yikes! I better revise my rating to R ;D
can I talk about my bra fitting the other day?? :P :-X
EMBARRASSIN'!!!
Well you just gave me another ten reasons why I DONT wear bras.
I always found them more uncomfortable to wear than new shoes, so stopped wearing one, when I stopped working in an office.
Most clothes I buy, I buy to suit "no bra", but if something does require something extra, I wear a nice camisole.
And....if ever I do need one, I have one in the bottom of my drawer, hoping I never have to use it.
And just as a footnote, I have never had big boobs, so gravity did not have much to work with.
Bras are the second thing that comes off as soon as I'm at home (shoes being the first)...
Ah, how I envy you! I also hate those damned things. I never wore one before my first child. The first bra I ever bought was a nursing bra. But now I am some sizes bigger in every department ( :laugh:) and have to wear them. :P
Bras are the second thing that comes off as soon as I'm at home (shoes being the first), and in winter I often skip them completely.
Girls if you haven't had one recently... go for a smear test... it could save your life.
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,33216.0.html
You got that right...I can't remember the last time I had a hot flash!!
You got that right...I can't remember the last time I had a hot flash!!
No one needs a hot flash, but what about some hot flesh? :laugh::laugh:
No one needs a hot flash, but what about some hot flesh? :laugh:
never been to mexico? ;)
As for the trend in Germany being recent, I remember back in 1984, there were a number of comments here in America made about German singer Nena Kerner, lead singer for the group Nena. They were very popular at the time for their song "99 Red Balloons" and in some footage, she had raised her arms in a sleeveless shirt, and you could see her armpit hair. I remember not being bothered by it, but a number of people commented on it.
Looking for a clue about the Chuck-Paul balloon thing...am I warm at all? :-\
I remember Nena but not her armpit hair, since it was (and still is) perfectly normal here :laugh:.
(http://fluffywoman.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/nena0703030308zf.jpg)
There were some videos and still of Nena performing in Europe, and when her arms raised, Americans were shocked. :laugh:
(http://fluffywoman.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/nena0703030308zf.jpg)
There were some videos and still of Nena performing in Europe, and when her arms raised, Americans were shocked. :laugh: