BetterMost, Wyoming & Brokeback Mountain Forum
Our BetterMost Community => The Polling Place => Topic started by: Kerry on November 06, 2007, 08:54:27 am
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I recently read in Time magazine that in the USA there are 90 guns for every 100 citizens, according to the 2007 Small Arms Survey, making the USA the most heavily armed country in the world. India has the second largest civilian gun-arsenal tally, with just 4 firearms per 100 people.
The article went on to state that 4.5 million new guns are purchased in the USA each year, more than half of the 8 million produced worldwide.
Ennis and Jack both owned guns and knew how to use them (probably Ennis better than Jack).
My personal view is that I believe there is a place for gun ownership if one is a police officer, farmer, or in the military. Outside that, I can see no place for firearm ownership within a civilian setting.
What's your view of guns and civilian gun ownership? Tick as many boxes as you like.
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your options don't leave much room for the middle ground!
I don't LOVE guns. I think they are a necessary tool for us...I don't think EVERYONE should own one but I think some people need one.
I've added a few more options, Jess.
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I don't love them, but I have one. My grandfather had one that he hunted with when I was young. He taught me how to use it and let me shoot at cans with it. I never wanted to hunt. I've shot skeet before (very badly). No one in my family ever accidentally shot anyone with a gun. Guns -- used responsibly -- are fine.
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I was raised with guns in the home. My father was an avid hunter..Birds and Deer and Elk.
We always had meat from his trips in the freezer. I didnt know any different..I was a good shot
myself. That is one of the things my husband and i did on the week after we got married.
We went out shooting...I was better than he was.. I could hit whatever i aimed at, so long as it
was within a reasonable distance...But after a while I saw no need for meat to eat , that we could
not buy at the store cheaper, and more easily gotten...
I also was taught the respect of guns..all guns kill..unloaded or not.....BE CAREFUL never point
any gun towards anyone.........period....period period.........no excuses, and dont leave them where
the access is there for others either...
I do think there are many people that have no need of a gun. And it seems to me that
The routine to get one is not nearly stringent enough...Mental problems dont show up on a
police report...anyhow....basically I say the right is and should be a priviledge...Just like owning
an automobile.. I agree with Injest that there is not one single reason to own an automatic or
semi automatic weapon. Until the animals get armed and start shooting back...!!!
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Still not enough options.
I don't love guns, but I own a hand gun and a shotgun.
I used to shoot skeet with my shotgun and that was a lot of fun.
I also still target practice with my handgun and pretty much keep it around at home for personal protection. I know some people who are true gun nuts. An aquaintance had - in his one bedroom apartment - a 9 mm under a blanket on the arm of his couch - loaded, a shotgun and bandolier of shells hanging just to the inside of his hallway door - unseen by anyone in the front room, and 2 AK47s ("when you absolutely, positively gotta kill every motherfucka in the room, accept no substitute!"), one in his bedroom and the other in his closet, and stacks of boxes of shells. Another friend has a gun collection, both modern and antique mounted on display all over one wall of his house.
Those people I think you could say love guns. There is no selection for people who just have guns because they use it for occasional recreation and may - in some the gods forbid future - for protection - like a baseball bat. Just a tool, with several uses, waiting to be used.
So I didn't vote.
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Still not enough options.
I don't love guns, but I own a hand gun and a shotgun.
I used to shoot skeet with my shotgun and that was a lot of fun.
Have added an eighth option re recreational shooting.
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I grew up on a ranch so I know that there are valid uses for guns and some people need them. My brother is in the military so I accept that use as well. Likewise for law enforcement professionals. I will even honestly admit that I learned to shoot a rifle, a shotgun and a hand gun growing up, my father insisted. BUT that said, I haven't touched a gun since I left home and I personally still HATE them and will not have one in my home.
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I detest guns. And now they're handing them out to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the streets. Even kids have them. And then we stand around and wonder why there are so many school shootings.
I've heard in some states it's just about as easy to get a gun as it is a library card. I realize this is yet another one of those "hot button" topics in our country, but I stand firmly in the NO GUNS camp; with the exception of the police and military.
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Have added an eighth option re recreational shooting.
Thanks! :)
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What David said.
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It is personally gratifying for me to see that the majority of responses appear to favour the "loathe" end of the option spectrum. :D
Alas, however, I fear that BetterMostians are probably not representative of the general population on this issue. :'(
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I hate them, I don't even want to touch them. I'm no Second Amendment conservative!
But, D.L. has racks full of rifles. He loves to hunt! Yuck, keep that bloody deer out of my freezer! So, I have to be a little understanding about the gun fetish.
Woo-oo-eee! Lets get a move on, don't want Game and Fish to catch us with no elk!
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I'm scared of guns and I don't own one. I did take a gun coarse once at a range. Shot 50 rounds. My hands were sweating. I do believe people should have the right to own them though. I just believe in a waiting period and a back ground check. If a person is legitimate, than they should not mind waiting. Nothing is full proof though.
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I'm scared of guns and I don't own one. I did take a gun coarse once at a range. Shot 50 rounds. My hands were sweating. I do believe people should have the right to own them though. I just believe in a waiting period and a back ground check. If a person is legitimate, than they should not mind waiting. Nothing is full proof though.
Or do you?
Every year criminals kill others in attempts at robbery, and just plain old murder, with legally owned hand guns. In France right now, gangs of extremists are rioting on the streets in Paris (see CNN today and yesterday) and have killed and seriouly wounded several policemen with hunting rifles - legal in France. I ask my fellow conservatives and libertarians.... do we really need to be a nation of private citizens armed to the teeth? I don't think so. Usually, my questions are met with disbelief that I would ask it.
D.L. says "no one is going to take his guns from him". Oh, well, if he keeps them at his house, I'll be OK about it. But, I really wish he didn't have them.
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As a newspaper reporter, I saw or heard of many, many horrible stories involving guns shot accidentally or in a moment of stupidity. I got to know a family where the brother accidentally shot a gun and killed his sister. I knew of a 10-year-old boy who shot and killed his twin brother during an argument. A father who shot and killed his 14-year-old daughter when she hid in the house and then jumped out to surprise him. A (really foolish) mother who pointed a gun at her teenage son to get him to clean his room and accidentally shot and killed him. A man who shot and killed a Japanese exchange student in a Halloween costume who was coming through the yard to visit his son.
So right there we have five young people who'd be alive today if guns hadn't been handy.
I once saw a really good bumper sticker: "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will shoot their children accidentally."
There's another saying that gun proponents like: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." True, humans are violent. But when people are restricted to using knives or clubs or whatever, the damage they can do is much more limited than if they have guns.
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As a newspaper reporter, I saw or heard of many, many horrible stories involving guns shot accidentally or in a moment of stupidity. I got to know a family where the brother accidentally shot a gun and killed his sister. I knew of a 10-year-old boy who shot and killed his twin brother during an argument. A father who shot and killed his 14-year-old daughter when she hid in the house and then jumped out to surprise him. A (really foolish) mother who pointed a gun at her teenage son to get him to clean his room and accidentally shot and killed him. A man who shot and killed a Japanese exchange student in a Halloween costume who was coming through the yard to visit his son.
So right there we have five young people who'd be alive today if guns hadn't been handy.
I once saw a really good bumper sticker: "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will shoot their children accidentally."
There's another saying that gun proponents like: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." True, humans are violent. But when people are restricted to using knives or clubs or whatever, the damage they can do is much more limited than if they have guns.
Rapturous applause from Kerry! :D
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As a newspaper reporter, I saw or heard of many, many horrible stories involving guns shot accidentally or in a moment of stupidity. I got to know a family where the brother accidentally shot a gun and killed his sister. I knew of a 10-year-old boy who shot and killed his twin brother during an argument. A father who shot and killed his 14-year-old daughter when she hid in the house and then jumped out to surprise him. A (really foolish) mother who pointed a gun at her teenage son to get him to clean his room and accidentally shot and killed him. A man who shot and killed a Japanese exchange student in a Halloween costume who was coming through the yard to visit his son.
So right there we have five young people who'd be alive today if guns hadn't been handy.
I once saw a really good bumper sticker: "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will shoot their children accidentally."
There's another saying that gun proponents like: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." True, humans are violent. But when people are restricted to using knives or clubs or whatever, the damage they can do is much more limited than if they have guns.
I agree with you totally. I remember that sad incident with the Japanese exchange student. That was so appalling! I consider myself a libertarian oriented conservative, but on this issue I am squarely on the side of the gun control advocates.
Lets get all guns only into the hands of law enforcement and the military where they belong.