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Title: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: samwise_fan1965 on January 22, 2008, 05:56:51 pm
I just heard that Heath died! Is this true?






EDIT FROM KELDA -

Changing heading to use this as a thread to talk about this sad sad news.  :'(
Title: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Chanterais on January 22, 2008, 05:58:18 pm
Oh.  My.  God.

http://www.pagesix.com/story/heath+ledger+has+died (http://www.pagesix.com/story/heath+ledger+has+died)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 22, 2008, 05:58:27 pm
I just heard that Heath died! Is this true?

Yes, I just heard it on CNN.  I can't believe this!  My daughter just burst into tears! 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: isabelle on January 22, 2008, 05:58:32 pm
YES IT IS!! I JUST READ IT IN THE NY TIMES AND LOGGED ON TO LET YOU ALL KNOW§ I AM TOO SHOCKED TO CONTINUE WRITING JUST NOW... :'( :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: RossInIllinois on January 22, 2008, 05:59:39 pm
Yes its true and im just Sick..
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 05:59:59 pm
OMG!!!!!!!!

I just read this, I am shaking here.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: moremojo on January 22, 2008, 06:00:39 pm
What happened? Does anyone have any links to articles?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: sparkle_motion on January 22, 2008, 06:00:41 pm
I haven't been here in a long time but I came here to talk about this. I am absolutely distraught. My stomach hurts and I am in tears.

This is very bad, friends. Says a drug overdose.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: MaineWriter on January 22, 2008, 06:01:07 pm
I am in shock. From the New York Times:

 January 22, 2008,  4:42 pm
Actor Heath Ledger Is Found Dead

By Sewell Chan

The actor Heath Ledger was found dead this afternoon in an apartment building at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, according to the New York City police. Mr. Ledger was 28.

At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger unconscious. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities. The police said they did not suspect foul play and said they found pills near body.

Mr. Ledger, a native of Australia, won acclaim for his role as a co-star in “Brokeback Mountain”, a 2005 film. The film, based on a novel by Larry McMurtry about two cowboys who fall in love, won critical acclaim. Reviewing the film in The New York Times, the critic Stephen Holden wrote, “Mr. Ledger magically and mysteriously disappears beneath the skin of his lean, sinewy character. It is a great screen performance, as good as the best of Marlon Brando and Sean Penn.”

Thomas J. Lueck contributed reporting.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 22, 2008, 06:02:23 pm
I have no words.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 06:02:51 pm
Oh my goodness. I can't believe it. Poor Matilda, poor Michelle even. I know they had split up but still, shes going to feel responsible.

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: ednbarby on January 22, 2008, 06:03:02 pm
I just came here upon hearing (and confirming) it, too.

I can't believe it.  Beyond that, I'm at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 06:03:19 pm
It just can't be true, it's too sad and horrible for words.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Chanterais on January 22, 2008, 06:03:22 pm
I know, Sparkle.  I haven't been here in yonks, but as soon as I heard it, I wanted to be with my Brokies.  Please, somebody hug me.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: MaineWriter on January 22, 2008, 06:03:29 pm
from the New York Times:

 January 22, 2008,  4:42 pm
Actor Heath Ledger Is Found Dead

By Sewell Chan

The actor Heath Ledger was found dead this afternoon in an apartment building at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, according to the New York City police. Mr. Ledger was 28.

At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger unconscious. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities. The police said they did not suspect foul play and said they found pills near body.

Mr. Ledger, a native of Australia, won acclaim for his role as a co-star in “Brokeback Mountain”, a 2005 film. The film, based on a novel by Larry McMurtry about two cowboys who fall in love, won critical acclaim. Reviewing the film in The New York Times, the critic Stephen Holden wrote, “Mr. Ledger magically and mysteriously disappears beneath the skin of his lean, sinewy character. It is a great screen performance, as good as the best of Marlon Brando and Sean Penn.”

Thomas J. Lueck contributed reporting.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: MaineWriter on January 22, 2008, 06:03:47 pm
I am in shock.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 06:04:57 pm
Oh my goodness - hello to all these people I ahven;t seen in a while but ugh i didn't want to see you like this.

 :'( :'( :'( :'(

PS - Mods - should I merge this to the other thread so we all ahve one place to go and vent?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: moremojo on January 22, 2008, 06:05:06 pm
No words.

Godspeed, Heath. Thank you for Ennis--thank you for your art.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 06:05:34 pm
not fair    not fucking fair........no no no no no no
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 22, 2008, 06:05:48 pm
I'm sitting here at work in total and complete shock.


Absolutely... there are no words.



Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: wulfar360 on January 22, 2008, 06:06:51 pm
wow.....................
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: serious crayons on January 22, 2008, 06:07:21 pm

Oh my god.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: hermitdave on January 22, 2008, 06:07:34 pm
I can't believe this. I feel like I'm going to throw up. They just announced it on my local news. I literally almost fell offf of my chair.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on January 22, 2008, 06:10:39 pm
The sadness of the northern plains is rolling over me now....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Lumičre on January 22, 2008, 06:11:27 pm
I just came onto the forum and saw the CNN headline.  I thought I must be losing it..
Yet it really is true..
omg 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: moremojo on January 22, 2008, 06:12:24 pm
Heath is gone, but his Ennis will live forever.

I am so very sorry for Michelle, Matilda, and all the loved ones left behind. This is gonna be a hard time for so very many people.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: DeeDee on January 22, 2008, 06:12:26 pm
I am so saddened..It is surreal to me right now..my heart is heavy tonite for Heath and beautiful Matilda.  God bless them all.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 06:12:45 pm
The housekeeper only found him 90mins ago and its already all over the news. His poor poor family, I hope they didn't find out via news crews or tv.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Mero on January 22, 2008, 06:13:21 pm
damn, that hurts, that hurts so much... I am more than devastated
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on January 22, 2008, 06:14:39 pm
This is Horrible Terrible news.  OMG.. OMG...

Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 06:15:01 pm
If only he had come to our full moon chat, this wouldn't have happened!!

 :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 22, 2008, 06:15:13 pm
Oh my god.




I know!  When I heard, I couldn't believe it!  I thought it was all a mistake!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 22, 2008, 06:15:38 pm
I am so saddened..It is surreal to me right now..my heart is heavy tonite for Heath and beautiful Matilda.  God bless them all.

I feel so sad for Michelle, and Matilda too.  I'm sitting here, needing to leave my place, but afraid an onslaught of tears might hit me at anytime.

The Oscars were announced today, and I thought of how much Heath deserved one.

This is hard.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 06:17:34 pm
OUR SADDEST DAY......OUR SADDEST DAY....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Delmardeb on January 22, 2008, 06:17:41 pm
I am shocked and shaken by this tragic news. I feel for Matilda and his family and I feel for us.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 06:18:00 pm
MERGING - so we can all grieve in the same place.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 06:22:08 pm
THIS IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE...................................   :'( :-X :'(

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 22, 2008, 06:25:26 pm
I'm sitting here at work in total and complete shock.


Absolutely... there are no words.





I'm glad I took the day off.  I wouldn't be able to work under the circumstances.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead?
Post by: Chanterais on January 22, 2008, 06:27:20 pm
I'm just sitting here in front of my computer, slack-jawed and numb.

I hope he's at peace now.  I hope he's at peace.

Thank you, Heath, for all that you did, and all that you never even knew you did.  Your time was so short, but boy, you sure made a mark on this small blue planet.  You won't be forgotten.  We'll never forget you.

We'll never forget you.  
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: hermitdave on January 22, 2008, 06:28:53 pm
Heath reminded me a little of River Phoenix. They both had a kind of quiet intensity in their roles. It's ironic that they may also may have died similarly ... and way too soon.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 22, 2008, 06:29:23 pm
Heath, I swear.....  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 06:31:07 pm
NEVER ENOUGH TIME......NEVER ENOUGH
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 22, 2008, 06:37:30 pm
Just read that he was in Mary Kate Olsen's NY Apartment, and there may have been sleeping pills around.  I don't know whether to tune it all out now...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 22, 2008, 06:39:12 pm
Sending Up A Prayer for you.  Thank you for what you brought to all of us.  Find the peace that you missed in this life.  We love you very much and will hold you in our hearts forever.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 06:39:43 pm
Why was he getting a masseuse into Mary Kate Olsen's apartment - were they an item?

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 06:39:58 pm
Rest in peace, our Heath.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q186/southendmd/brokebackmtn_ennissmile.jpg)

Heath Ledger
April 4, 1979-January 22, 2008
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on January 22, 2008, 06:41:36 pm
This is so unbelievable.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Toast on January 22, 2008, 06:41:42 pm



Oh, no



Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 06:42:53 pm
Song for Heath (Thanks, Scott, I grabbed this from your post)

Desperado

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses
You've been out ridin' fences,
for so long - now.
Ohh you're a hard one.
I know that you've got your reasons.
These things that are pleasin'you
Can hurt you somehow.

Don't you draw the queen of diamonds boy
She'll beat you if she's able.
You know the queen of hearts is always your best bet.
Now it seems to me, some fine things
Have been laid upon your table.
But you only want the ones
That you can't get.

Desperado,
Ohhhh you aint getting no younger.
Your pain and your hunger,
They're driving you home.
And freedom, ohh freedom.
Well that's just some people talking.
Your prison is walking through this world all alone.

Don't your feet get cold in the winter time?
The sky won't snow and the sun won't shine.
It's hard to tell the night time from the day.
And you're losing all your highs and lows
aint it funny how the feeling goes
away...

Desperado,
Why don't you come to your senses?
come down from your fences, open the gate.
It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you.
You better let somebody love you.
(let sombody love you)
You better let somebody love you...ohhh..hooo
before it's too..oooo.. late.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Dagi on January 22, 2008, 06:43:40 pm
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  Words fail. What he must have gone through. Rest in peace, Heath, and THANK YOU for Ennis.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Peter John Shields on January 22, 2008, 06:44:06 pm
I can't believe it
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: underdown on January 22, 2008, 06:44:45 pm
No words.

Godspeed, Heath. Thank you for Ennis--thank you for your art.

Ditto. And a wonderful memorial that will live on.
A great tribute, moremojo.
This is so sad and unexpected.
My heart goes out to everyone, especially those near to Heath, for this tragic loss.
 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 22, 2008, 06:45:27 pm
The story on HuffingtonPost said that MK Olsen was not in NYC at the time.  It said there were sleeping pills strewn about his nude body.  He had an appointment for a massage, and that's when they found him.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 06:47:35 pm
The housekeeper only found him 90mins ago and its already all over the news. His poor poor family, I hope they didn't find out via news crews or tv.

I was thinking the exact same thing!..........

SO F******* SAD!  :'(

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger is Dead
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 06:49:46 pm
I haven't been here in a long time but I came here to talk about this. I am absolutely distraught. My stomach hurts and I am in tears.

This is very bad, friends.

yes........ very bad, very sad, very everything.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 22, 2008, 06:50:31 pm
They just said the part about Mary Kate Olsen's apartment was a misreport. From what I am hearing, he passed in his Manhattan apartment.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 06:51:29 pm
[[[[[[[[[BROKIES....GROUP HUG.....]]]]]]]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 22, 2008, 06:53:12 pm
{{{{{{  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'( }}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 06:55:06 pm
Looks like it was his house but owned by Mary Kate - so I guess she rented it to him?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 06:57:06 pm
(is it okay to say that I really really really hope it was something like a spontaneous heart attack or stroke? purely accidental and unpreventable)

(I have to go back to work now... hopefully well, hopefully something...)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 06:59:15 pm
I am so numb and sad and devastated.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 06:59:36 pm
(is it okay to say that I really really really hope it was something like a spontaneous heart attack or stroke? purely accidental and unpreventable)

(I have to go back to work now... hopefully well, hopefully something...)

Yes, I think so, although its looking unlikely  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Toycoon on January 22, 2008, 07:01:19 pm
I am in complete shock. I can't believe it. I feel sick.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 07:02:44 pm
On tv now there are showing that there is a mob scene outside of his apartment.  I guess there are a lot of us who just don't know what to do now.

I never felt this way for anyone I didn't actually know before.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 07:05:08 pm
I just heard an Australian reporter use the term......"UNTHINKABLE"

He is right.........this is "UNTHINKABLE"........AND SOOO SOOO SAD....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Lumičre on January 22, 2008, 07:07:33 pm
(is it okay to say that I really really really hope it was something like a spontaneous heart attack or stroke? purely accidental and unpreventable)
..

I was thinking of that as well but they are calling it a "possible suicide".
That just hurts ...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: TheravadaAskesis on January 22, 2008, 07:08:40 pm
 Thank you Heath. I only wish...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2008, 07:10:06 pm
Shock doesn't begin to describe it.

I heard it on the radio on my way home from work and I had to pull over. 

I'm not even sure how I got home.  I want to go back in time when this wasn't true.  I can't turn on the TV.   I don't want to accept it.  I just want to stay here and cry.

Marie
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 22, 2008, 07:10:58 pm
OMG I just got the news here at work.

Shock!

So, do we think it was deliberate?  Suicide?  Him and Michelle broke up.  Pressure about his career?  Oscar nods for BBM, playing the Joker, etc.

It's going to be real creepy seein' him as the Joker now.

THANK YOU HEATH for playing Ennis Del Mar and for touching all of us with your perfomance.  No one could have played him better!  :)

RIP Heath.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 22, 2008, 07:13:44 pm
I'm completely numb at this news. I feel so terribly, terribly sorry for Matilda, and Michelle - and for Heath himself. So much talent and such a wonderfully gifted man, and dying so young. It's such a tragedy.  I hope it turns out to be some kind of accident, not the suicide the news seems to be hinting at....  :'( :'( :'(

The news is chattering on here about world economy problems, no mention of Heath yet, and I want to ask them to get their priorities right and take time out with all the silly money chatter...

This is so unbelievable. I freely admit I'm crying as I type. Probably should tear mysef away and go to bed but I just *can't* sleep now.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 22, 2008, 07:15:23 pm
The reports seem to be suggesting suicide. Even if that's confirmed, I know that none of us will love him any less. He was a good man, and a great artist.

The tears are starting to come...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 07:15:44 pm
Suicide?.. Come on!  >:(

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on January 22, 2008, 07:17:21 pm
its possible   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 22, 2008, 07:19:14 pm
I'm thinking suicide too.  The recent break up.  The pressures of his career.    :'(

I think I'm going to be sick.  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 07:19:35 pm
[[[[[[[[[BROKIES....GROUP HUG.....]]]]]]]

Thank you we needed that!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Fran on January 22, 2008, 07:19:51 pm
OMG.  Simply unbelievable.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 07:21:10 pm
I don't know what to say...

See that says it all - if Susie is lost for words we're in one bitch of an unsatisfactory situation .....  ;)

(I'm trying to smile through this guys - this bright light might be out - but we should celebrate what a wonderful gift he gave us

RIP Heath
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 22, 2008, 07:21:58 pm
I can't believe this
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 22, 2008, 07:22:36 pm
Heath, I swear.....  :'(  :'(  :'(


 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Daphne7661 on January 22, 2008, 07:22:49 pm
Our Beautiful Heath is gone....  I don't know how that can even be true...


 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on January 22, 2008, 07:23:07 pm
No words.

 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Artiste on January 22, 2008, 07:23:21 pm
I always felt since I discovered him in the Brokeback Mountain that he was on a mission, as a person, via his acting!

He tried to discover that mission,  and love for him and for all too!!

He Aimed to expand love in this World!

Now he expands forever the Universe,
he hugged us with!

Hugs to you Heath from all on Earth!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 22, 2008, 07:23:26 pm
The reports seem to be suggesting suicide. Even if that's confirmed, I know that none of us will love him any less. He was a good man, and a great artist.


Of course I won't love him any less, but I will grieve more, if that is possible - knowing how he must have felt there at the end. Therefore I hope hope hope it isn't true - that it was just a random event, however horrible and tragic.


And I know this is completely random and irrational, but the thought just struck me that his name surely will be among those who've passed away and are remembered during the Academy Awards. That just makes me want to scream.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: CellarDweller on January 22, 2008, 07:23:36 pm
In the past 20 mintues I've received 6 phone calls from friends to tell me about the news and ask if I was ok.

Just when you think you can't take anymore, you're hit with another punch to the stomach, and you need to pick up and move on.

Heath, you were an expressive actor, and true talent.  Your abilites were not recognized as they should've been.  

Thank you for taking on the role of Ennis Del Mar, and for being a part of a movie that touched us all here.  It is through your acting that many people were awakened to take action in their own lives, make changes, move on, and become different.

Your abilities inspired people to become better, and that is better than any award you could've been given.  

You will be missed.

Rest in peace.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 22, 2008, 07:24:08 pm
I can't believe this


Me neither.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: silkncense on January 22, 2008, 07:26:39 pm
Regardless of how or why - I am heart broken.  I simply don't want to believe it.  

Now it seems as tho' Ennis has also died.  I know that doesn't make sense - but that is how it feels right now.

And although I haven't been around in a long time - I knew others here would know how this feels.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 22, 2008, 07:26:52 pm


And I know this is completely random and irrational, but the thought just struck me that his name surely will be among those who've passed away and are remembered during the Academy Awards. That just makes me want to scream.



Oh there better be *something* said about Heath at the Oscar Ceremony......  >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: brokebackjack on January 22, 2008, 07:27:57 pm
I can't believe this shit.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2008, 07:28:28 pm
No words.

 :'(

John....    :-* :-* :-* :'( :'( :-* :-*



And I know this is completely random and irrational, but the thought just struck me that his name surely will be among those who've passed away and are remembered during the Academy Awards. That just makes me want to scream.


oh god.  :'( I don't think I'll handle that.

And on nomination day too - 2 years ago his future was so bright. Why, oh why?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 07:28:45 pm
I hope he knew, Chuck......how that part he played as Ennis, did change so many lives.........I just hope he knew........
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: yb on January 22, 2008, 07:28:53 pm
I still can't believe it after knowing it an hour ago.  I am still shaking in disbelief.

RIP, Heath, I love you so much.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 22, 2008, 07:29:23 pm

Now it seems as tho' Ennis has also died.  I know that doesn't make sense - but that is how it feels right now.

And although I haven't been around in a long time - I knew others here would know how this feels.


I'm kind of feeling this same way.  Tell you what, I'm going to watch Brokeback Mountain tonight!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 22, 2008, 07:30:45 pm

Tell you what, I'm going to watch Brokeback Mountain tonight!
I don't know if or when I'll be able to watch it again... so much loss, and hurt.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 07:31:49 pm
I still can't believe it after knowing it an hour ago.  I am still shaking in disbelief.

RIP, Heath, I love you so much.



(((((Betty))))) and ((((((everyone))))))))

I'm been shaking for the past hour, just like you.

There are no words.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Amber on January 22, 2008, 07:33:52 pm
I couldn't think of anywhere else to go ... so I came here.  I knew I'd find friends here.

Can't believe it.  Simply can't believe it.

I can't think of anything else.  Thank goodness my work day is almost done.  I don't think I could make it much more.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Lumičre on January 22, 2008, 07:33:56 pm



(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/Lucise/Fanart/JG_HL/8152237f.jpg)


He will be missed.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: opinionista on January 22, 2008, 07:35:57 pm
I just feel for Michelle, Matilda and his family.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Toast on January 22, 2008, 07:36:13 pm
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/nltoast/Heath3.jpg)

Heath Ledger
1979 - 2008


Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2008, 07:38:05 pm
Oh, God I just saw the new pictures on the banner.  

That beautiful smile.  

How can this be?  The longer I sit here, the more unbelievable it seems...

Aww, Milli - that's too beautiful for words.  Thank you.  Yes, he will be missed.


Marie
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: pjgale on January 22, 2008, 07:38:40 pm
I just can't stop crying. So sad for his daughter. :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 22, 2008, 07:39:44 pm
Goddamn.  I hate this like hell.  I just don't want it to be true, and, if it is, I want to hurt somebody for letting it happen.  But there's nobody to hurt, and that wouldn't serve any good purpose anyway.  I'm, like, this is unacceptable, so somebody needs to correct it RIGHT NOW.  Fix it.  Make it so it's not true or that it's undone. 

For somebody who I never met, didn't know, this has hit me like a fucking sledgehammer.  I don't understand it.  I'm still at work, and I don't know if I'm gonna be able to make it home without crying or throwing up or both.  Seeing the front banner on the site liked to did me in.  I'm in something of a daze, can hardly concentrate.  My head hurts, feels stuffed; my heart is beating way too fast, and I feel kinda tingly all over.  I'm sure my blood pressure is up there.  It feels like a fight-or-flight response.  Only thing, there's nothing to fight and nowhere to go.  Goddamn. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 07:43:45 pm
What are we gonna do now?

I swear...

I keep writing the same things over and over but it is just too much...

I never thought I could feel like this for an actor, but I do.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kay-Nasty on January 22, 2008, 07:45:23 pm
....
 :'( :'(

And he was my favorite actor by far. Wow, I honestly can't believe I'm using the word "was". I'm still waiting for the breaking news that will say it was all a big mistake.

I was at school when I first heard, but I didn't want to believe it. I couldn't even get any tears out because I was so sure it was just a joke. Once I "confirmed" it i knew the only place to go would be right here, with all my true Brokies.

Heath, you will be missed. Jack, take care of him, will ya.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on January 22, 2008, 07:47:59 pm
Goddamn.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 22, 2008, 07:48:33 pm
Oh my god. I've found it on a German news site.
It's almost 1am here, I'm all alone, whole familay sleeps. I cant even call Kerstin.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 22, 2008, 07:49:51 pm
One thing we can do...

Take one day at a time. Remember to breathe, to eat, and to drink water. Reach out to those who can comfort you; reach out to those needing comforting. Let not Heath's death go in vain...he accomplished something absolutely remarkable in his creation of Ennis, one of the all-time great performances of movie history. Ennis and Jack MEAN something...let's not forget this deep truth. Heath helped bring this truth into our lives, and hearts. Let's keep allowing this truth to transform our lives, and ourselves. Heath is gone, but we're still here. And we can go on living life, and MAKING something valuable from it, as testament to what Heath did so beautifully with his art...and what Jack and Ennis will forever represent in our consciousness.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 07:51:16 pm
Oh my god. I've found it on a German news site.
It's almost 1am here, I'm all alone, whole familay sleeps. I cant even call Kerstin.


We are here with you, Chrissi!!

where's that group hug when I need it??
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shuggy on January 22, 2008, 07:51:33 pm
Tell you what, I'm going to watch Brokeback Mountain tonight!
(I don't know if I could stand to. Later, maybe.)

Dear all,

We are all hurting so much - and yet. We never knew Heath Ledger. We knew Ennis, someone he brought to life for us, for which we will always be grateful. (And Ennis' only existence was within BBM and within our imaginations.)

Perhaps if Ennis had not been such a tragic figure, or at least one with whom we could so empathise, we might not feel so close to Heath.

In any case, we knew Heath just a little through Ennis, and he had to be a person of a certain stature to make Ennis mean so much to us. For that stature, we can be grateful. I think he must have had some idea how grateful we are for BBM and for how much it changed so many lives.

Don't be too upset if they say "suicide". The Black Dog of depression can strike suddenly and hard, and people can do things that are right out of character - like this.

So hugs to you all.

Shuggy

(This is going to be like the death of James Dean - we'll always wonder what more he might have done.)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Fran on January 22, 2008, 07:52:13 pm
I'm hoping that the suicide report is disproved because I don't want to think of Heath as having lost all hope and seeing no other way out of his pain.  I can't bear to think of him as being so unhappy that he lost his will to live.  Please let that part be untrue.  He was so young and had so much going for him. His life shouldn't have ended so soon, not by his own hand or accidentally.

And poor little Matilda has lost her daddy.  Sadly, she is too young to really be able to remember him.  This is so sad.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 22, 2008, 07:52:37 pm
Just like I wrote in the Heath thread I just don't know what to say or do. Someone said they were going to watch the movie. I can't do that. There is absolutely no way I can watch the movie. It would be way to much for me at a time when I have no idea what really is too much as this is just now hitting me stronger and stronger. I even posted something at Cullen just cause I wanted to say something anywhere people who love Heath would be. I tried to post something on EnnisJack, but there must be so much traffic there that their site has been brought down. That shows the amount of love and disbelief the loss of Heath has caused. I mean he is part of Brokeback. It's just like ripping a part of it out from us that can never be brought back. I just don't know what to say so I just ramble on.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 07:52:47 pm
Oh my god. I've found it on a German news site.
It's almost 1am here, I'm all alone, whole familay sleeps. I cant even call Kerstin.



NO NO NO .....YOU ARE NOT ALONE..........[[[[[penthesilea]]]]]]]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 07:54:06 pm
I'm thinking suicide too.  The recent break up.  The pressures of his career.    :'(
But no, come on! This is not right. It is not alright..

Why would he? .. He had Matilda....

Poor little angel. Poor Michelle. Pour Jake. Poor Ang. ... and all who knew him..

Damnit Heath!..

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 22, 2008, 07:58:36 pm
I'm thinking suicide too.  The recent break up.  The pressures of his career.    :'(

I think I'm going to be sick.  :(

I'm trying to hold it together.  I feel like sleeping!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: frantic65 on January 22, 2008, 07:59:24 pm
I have to believe it's an accidental thing! He would hate the media circus this has become & I can't fathom he would not think of how this would affect Matilda. There were so many beautiful pix of the two of them. Tragedy!!!!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 22, 2008, 07:59:51 pm
See that says it all - if Susie is lost for words we're in one bitch of an unsatisfactory situation .....  ;)



I know that's right!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shuggy on January 22, 2008, 08:00:05 pm

Oh there better be *something* said about Heath at the Oscar Ceremony......  >:(
sfericsf, there will be so much said, and it will be so insincere, we'll be yelling at the TV to shut up about Heath already!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 08:02:49 pm
I have to believe it's an accidental thing! He would hate the media circus this has become & I can't fathom he would not think of how this would affect Matilda. There were so many beautiful pix of the two of them. Tragedy!!!!!

I was just thinking the same thing.......he would HATE all this media attention.....

I am in Australia, and the news bulletin is ONLY about Heath.......have not seen any other news here for past two hours.......
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 22, 2008, 08:05:03 pm
One thing we can do...

Take one day at a time. Remember to breathe, to eat, and to drink water. Reach out to those who can comfort you; reach out to those needing comforting. Let not Heath's death go in vain...he accomplished something absolutely remarkable in his creation of Ennis, one of the all-time great performances of movie history. Ennis and Jack MEAN something...let's not forget this deep truth. Heath helped bring this truth into our lives, and hearts. Let's keep allowing this truth to transform our lives, and ourselves. Heath is gone, but we're still here. And we can go on living life, and MAKING something valuable from it, as testament to what Heath did so beautifully with his art...and what Jack and Ennis will forever represent in our consciousness.

Very well said, Moremojo.  I'm just glad you're all here to help me make sense of this tragedy!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 08:05:43 pm
On tv now there are showing that there is a mob scene outside of his apartment.  I guess there are a lot of us who just don't know what to do now.

I never felt this way for anyone I didn't actually know before.

oh god, i saw the stretcher and black bag, wish i hadn't... i left the tv on, muted it, and walked away
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on January 22, 2008, 08:06:44 pm
Jenny (Newyearsday) has no internet connection, but she wishes a big, big hug to all of you.


Awful.
 :P
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 08:08:23 pm
Of course I won't love him any less, but I will grieve more, if that is possible - knowing how he must have felt there at the end. Therefore I hope hope hope it isn't true - that it was just a random event, however horrible and tragic.


And I know this is completely random and irrational, but the thought just struck me that his name surely will be among those who've passed away and are remembered during the Academy Awards. That just makes me want to scream.


I thought that too (about the Oscars) about half way through my 30 minute commute home, after I had stopped bawling...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 08:09:19 pm
Regardless of how or why - I am heart broken.  I simply don't want to believe it. 

Now it seems as tho' Ennis has also died.  I know that doesn't make sense - but that is how it feels right now.

And although I haven't been around in a long time - I knew others here would know how this feels.

I had that thought on the car ride home too, that Ennis had died...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SnickerD on January 22, 2008, 08:09:39 pm
I'm still in shock, I actually took BBM out last night as I haven't watched it for about 6 months, of course Heath/Ennis blew me away as usual. Funny how I still cry after all the viewings.
His daughter and family will be in my thoughts and prayers.

The world seems so haywire these days.

Gotta love our boys*!*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 08:10:20 pm

I'm kind of feeling this same way.  Tell you what, I'm going to watch Brokeback Mountain tonight!

really, i'm wondering if I'll ever be able to watch it again...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: nic on January 22, 2008, 08:11:36 pm
I am in Australia too and it is devastating seeing the pictures on the news.  I have to stop watching - I have all the pictures I need in my head anyway.

Again the BBM message comes through: make the most of this life and those in it you love.  It's just not worth it to hold anything back.




Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 08:13:27 pm
where in oz are u nic?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 22, 2008, 08:14:17 pm
Oh God, I finally caught it on CNN and I wish I hadn't! What a horrible sight, all those photographers and crowds pressing up against barriers. I so didn't need to see the black body bag being wheeled out amid media frenzy but too late now.

I hate all that horrible hoopla. It looks like a circus, so undignified. Have people no respect? I won't watch more news coverage tonight. Hopefully they'll get something more respectful together by tomorrow.

And the CNN reporter was dreadful, callous, uncaring - he said so many horribly uncaring things. Another death, another dollar...

Excuse me. I need to go hit something and wipe my eyes.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: fernly on January 22, 2008, 08:17:11 pm
My heart is broken for Heath, and for his loved ones
And us, whose lives have been so changed and enriched by his presence
What an immeasurable loss

Rest in peace, Heath
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 08:19:46 pm
Again the BBM message comes through: make the most of this life and those in it you love.  It's just not worth it to hold anything back.

Nic,  you are so right.  

Heath gave us the gift of Ennis that not even his death can take away.

All I can say is:  I love you all.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 08:21:39 pm
Nic,  you are so right.  

Heath gave us the gift of Ennis that not even his death can take away.

All I can say is:  I love you all.


And we love you Paul! Keep that sig line going!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 22, 2008, 08:23:52 pm
"For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun?

And what is to cease breathing, but to free the breath from its restless tides, that it may rise and expand and seek God unencumbered?

Only when you drink form the river of silence shall you indeed sing.

And when you have reached the mountain top, then you shall begin to climb.

And when the earth shall claim your limbs, then shall you truly dance."

Farewell, darling Heath.

Safe journey home, precious one.



Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Sheyne on January 22, 2008, 08:24:09 pm
Hello everybody.  Its been a long time since I've dropped in to say hey... and I wish ... oh god I wish it were for a better reason than this.

I can't believe it.  I literally couldn't sleep last night. I heard it on the first news bulletin and the tears started. I need to watch Brokeback today but I needed to come and give all of you a big hug and tell you I'm thinking of each and every one of you that has been touched by BBM and by Heath.

What a terrible, terrible waste. Nobody should die at 28; movie star or not.

Heath, you will be missed always. Thank you for sharing your immeasurable talent with the world. The brightest stars shine for only a short time. Rest in peace. We love you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: nic on January 22, 2008, 08:26:26 pm
where in oz are u nic?

I'm in Sydney, new to Oz, only about 4mths here.  When I first got here I was taking it all in thinking this is the country that produced & influenced Heath & I kept thinking I was seeing Heath look-a-likes on the train but of course no-one could have shone as brightly as he did, even in that understated unique way he had about him.  Oh Heath...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Sheriff Roland on January 22, 2008, 08:26:47 pm
{{{{{all}}}}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: injest on January 22, 2008, 08:28:30 pm
I wonder what Jake and Michelle are feeling...I am sure Jake heard about it on the news.

 :'( :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on January 22, 2008, 08:28:59 pm
((This is going to be like the death of James Dean - we'll always wonder what more he might have done.)

Absolutly. What a waste.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BBM-Cat on January 22, 2008, 08:29:07 pm
I'm trying to hold it together.  I feel like sleeping!

Exactly Littlewing - like sleeping and waking up later to find out this terrible news isn't true.

My mind cannot process 'Heath Ledger' and 'dead' in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 22, 2008, 08:30:17 pm
It's almost as if that sad ending of Brokeback where Ennis is holding the two shirts has taken another step towards an even sadder ending. I remember when many of us were talking about whether or not there would be a sequel to Brokeback. Of course that will definitely not happen now and that's not saying I wanted a sequel. It's just that now part of Brokeback is gone forever. I remember my friend said he saw on television where they were showing that there would be a sequel. That was never confirmed. Anyway, he said that they showed Heath Ledger on one horse and the other horse had no one on it. It was Jack's horse. Now I can't help but feeling that nobody is on either horse now. Heath and Jake brought Ennis and Jack to life as we all know.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: oilgun on January 22, 2008, 08:30:34 pm
really, i'm wondering if I'll ever be able to watch it again...


Same here...I don't think I can ever watch it again.  Now TMZ is saying that he had pneumonia.   I should go, i'm still in my anger stage.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 08:32:01 pm
I'm watching CNN live and they were just showing images of La Paz Bolivia, where heavy rain is drowning the vast pieces of land. They showed herds of sheep running to find dry bits of land...

Reminders everywhere..

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on January 22, 2008, 08:32:19 pm

All I can say is:  I love you all.


I'll second that!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 08:33:03 pm
Hi Sheyne!

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: kirkmusic on January 22, 2008, 08:34:40 pm
So tragic.  A young father and talented actor with so much ahead of him.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 08:36:28 pm
Oh my god. I've found it on a German news site.
It's almost 1am here, I'm all alone, whole familay sleeps. I cant even call Kerstin.
Chrissi, I've sent you a little text message/SMS!   :-* :'(

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: ednbarby on January 22, 2008, 08:36:40 pm
Jenny (Newyearsday) has no internet connection, but she wishes a big, big hug to all of you.


Awful.
 :P

Thanks, John (and Jenny).  And I wish the same to you both and to everyone else here.

I just sat in front of the TV watching a bit about it on HLN and saying out loud "I can't fucking believe this."  Then they got going on in graphic detail about how he was found, what he looked like, etc.  And I said "You BASTARDS."  I can't/won't watch it anymore.  I put on the Evening News on one of the networks, and at least they did a tasteful job of talking about his accomplishments and left it at that.

What have we become that we have to have these media circuses when something like this happens?  Hell, I thought it was horrible when they did it to Anna Nicole Smith.  But this is insufferable.

Jesus.  Whatever happened to allowing someone some dignity, if at no other time, at least in death?  Cretins.

(I think I'm going at rapid-fire speed into the Anger phase.  And I think I'm gonna be here for a while.)

Rest in peace, Heath.  You were beautiful.  And what you gave us all will live in our hearts forever.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 08:41:19 pm
Oh gosh, I just started thinking, I don't live all that far away from where Heath lived actually, in the city and Brooklyn.

I was always thinking someday I would see him walking around somewhere in the city, and I would have a great story to tell everyone here.

I can't believe now that it will never happen.

I can't believe that it is all real.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 22, 2008, 08:46:56 pm

I've been jettisoned back two years to the way I was when I first say Brokeback Mountain. Here I am again, two years later, again sitting at work, in front of my PC, with tears streaming down my face. I need to get home. I'm not coping with this at all. Next Saturday, January 26, is my BbM second anniversary.

I'll never forget you, Heath. Your Ennis changed my life.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 22, 2008, 08:48:17 pm
It's incredible to me that Heath died on the actual Full Moon.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 22, 2008, 08:52:10 pm
I've been jettisoned back two years to the way I was when I first say Brokeback Mountain. Here I am again, two years later, again sitting at work, in front of my PC, with tears streaming down my face. I need to get home. I'm not coping with this at all.  Next Saturday, January 26, is my BbM second anniversary.

I'll never forget you, Heath. Your Ennis changed my life.

I'm not coping with this either Kerry!

{{{KERRY}}}

It's weird. I've never met Heath in person and yet I feel as if I've known him my entire life, and I've just lost a very close friend.  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(

I don't know how to work through this right now. I don't know how to cope. And I feel as pissed as hell about it, and I feel like I'm going to throw up.

Please have a safe drive home Kerry. We'll be here for you buddy!  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 22, 2008, 08:55:29 pm
It's incredible to me that Heath died on the actual Full Moon.

You are right Amanda and this was the day that our actual Full Moon chat would have happened. Cameron was saying that she often thought she might see Heath walking around in New York City. You don't know how many times I thought about that. When the gray line sightseeing bus went into Brooklyn I remember thinking this is where Heath lives.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 22, 2008, 08:57:14 pm
Right now this seems just so, so relevant to what's happened today:

"nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."

 :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Delmardeb on January 22, 2008, 08:59:34 pm
I am so f'ed up right now. I just can't believe that our Heath/Ennis is gone. I feel so choked up. I lost my own son who was only 28 years old so I empathize with his parents and loved ones. :'( And poor baby Matilda. There are no words.


{{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}}} to all of us here at Bettermost and throughout the world.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: montferrat on January 22, 2008, 09:00:02 pm
Well, a lot of us old timers seem to have come here this evening. It seems a fitting tribute to Heath that a performance of his was inspiring enough to help set into motion a community like Bettermost and that it was powerful enough that two years after viewing that performance , I felt compelled to come here and aknowledge that I am saddened by his death.

How many actors perfomances have that effect on the public, hunh?
Not many .....that's for damn sure.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 22, 2008, 09:06:31 pm
You are right Amanda and this was the day that our actual Full Moon chat would have happened. Cameron was saying that she often thought she might see Heath walking around in New York City. You don't know how many times I thought about that. When the gray line sightseeing bus went into Brooklyn I remember thinking this is where Heath lives.


Hey Bud,
You're right about the original schedule for the chat.  It seems sort of spooky to me that we happened, sort of randomly to move the Full Moon chat up by two days.  We just felt like it would be more convenient on a Sunday and also further away from the Coming Thru chat on the 24th.

Man.  Who would have ever, ever guessed how traumatic today, the real full moon, would turn out to be.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 22, 2008, 09:06:54 pm
Right now this seems just so, so relevant to what's happened today:

"nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."

It is entirely relevant. I caught myself thinking what must Annie Proulx be feeling now, we all know how much she loved Heath's performance, and how grateful she was for bringing Ennis to life - as are we all. But I suppose she can't feel any worse, or more, than we do.


Well you guys, I'm so tired now I hardly know my own name. This has been a terrible evening. I'm going to bed. Hugs all around, and hopes for a more restrained, respectful news coverage in the morning. For I do want to be reminded of Heath's wonderful roles and all the worthwhile and good things that happened in his life, and all those he touched and moved through his acting.

Good night.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 22, 2008, 09:11:37 pm
Welcome OldTimers.  Paul, Sheyne, Chanterais, Courtney, and everyone else.  Lots of love.

:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 22, 2008, 09:12:32 pm
Rest in peace, our Heath.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q186/southendmd/brokebackmtn_ennissmile.jpg)

Heath Ledger
April 4, 1979-January 22, 2008

What a beautiful picture Paul. Thank you so much for posting this.

Jack
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 22, 2008, 09:16:57 pm

I'm finding myself just sitting here staring at my BetterMost screen.  I feel like I don't know what to do with myself tonight. 

But, it certainly is comforting to be here and to see so many Brokies flocking here.

:(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 22, 2008, 09:18:26 pm
The New York Time has his birthday wrong.  :(  Said April 1st. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 09:19:20 pm
What a beautiful picture Paul. Thank you so much for posting this.

Jack

That's how I'd like to remember Heath.  As our Ennis, young, smiling and in love.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: delalluvia on January 22, 2008, 09:24:18 pm
 

    :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 22, 2008, 09:26:01 pm

Hey Bud,
You're right about the original schedule for the chat.  It seems sort of spooky to me that we happened, sort of randomly to move the Full Moon chat up by two days.  We just felt like it would be more convenient on a Sunday and also further away from the Coming Thru chat on the 24th.

Man.  Who would have ever, ever guessed how traumatic today, the real full moon, would turn out to be.



And Amanda, the 10pm EST chat was so full that everybody couldn't even get in that wanted to. People were literally having to leave to let others in. Looking back at that after this horrible news it just seems strange now. It's almost like somehow people knew something and felt a need to come together. I always try to come to the chats, but I have never seen any that full to where we maxed out the number that could get in.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kay-Nasty on January 22, 2008, 09:28:32 pm
The New York Time has his birthday wrong.  :(  Said April 1st. 
:'( How sad. No respect.


I found out about 3 hours ago, and I think just now, its starting to hit me. I honestly don't think I'll ever be able to watch another one of his movies, at least not for a long time. And I've seen and loved every one from 10 Things I Hate About You to I'm Not There. And until today, I've been so very excited about The Dark Knight, close to obsessive even, and I just became a fan as soon as I heard who the new joker would be over the summer. I was even already to get tickets for the midnight premiere with or without any friends, but now, I'm not so sure if I'll see it at all. I'll only end up crying. Some more. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: EDelMar on January 22, 2008, 09:28:36 pm
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Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 22, 2008, 09:29:25 pm
That's how I'd like to remember Heath.  As our Ennis, young, smiling and in love.

I don't think you could express it any better than that Paul. I was actually able to copy the writing and the picture that you did and put it into a word document. I wanted to have that forever.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 09:29:47 pm
It's incredible to me that Heath died on the actual Full Moon.

OH! You are right. I was walking my cats around the block earlier - Brokie and Sayif - and I was looking at the full moon and was amazed by how much it lit the building and street. Then I came back to my flat and read about what happened....

 :'(

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 22, 2008, 09:33:00 pm
Adam, that is just so great what you posted. You know I thought about you when I heard about all this, the truck that I have ridden in, everything, a lot of things I owe to you for bringing me into this community of wonderful people.

Jack
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: mario on January 22, 2008, 09:33:32 pm
we came here originally crying, trying desperately to make sense of what we had just seen on screen.....and found a community of the like-minded, of the fine, good people of this world......and now we come again crying, seeking solace in our far-flung community, world-wide actually......James Dean, River Phoenix, and now Heath Ledger......the gods giveth, the gods taketh away.....whether suicide, or drug overdose....doesn't matter really....he is gone......and we mourn....oh how we mourn......and will continue to mourn....the characters, the roles he could've had, would have created....all lost now......Batman is a must see now.....tho not as we imagined it.....i prefer to remember him as Cassanova, which i saw after BBM......so carefree, so light, so lovely....so having fun.....oh my golden boy, yu have broken my heart.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katness on January 22, 2008, 09:37:32 pm
Uhh, well that was/is an odd morning......middle of the day.

I woke up and turned on my computer and opened to Sydney Morning Herald website only to be told of Ledger's death. Now, I'm having a surreal morning....middle of the day. *rubs sleep from her eyes*

I need a coffee.

And Mario, that was lovely.

Sincerely, Kat.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: RouxB on January 22, 2008, 09:38:21 pm
I'm here
but not

It's just too much for me right now
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Wishes on January 22, 2008, 09:39:21 pm
I can't get this off my mind. I don't even know what to say. I was driving and heard it on KGO Newstalk 4PM news. I'm just grateful I was stopped at a light when I heard the announcement. This will be on my mind for a long time. I'm so sad at the loss of such a young and talented life.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 22, 2008, 09:40:50 pm

I'm not coping with this either Kerry!


I've just lied to a work colleague, who asked if anything was wrong. I told her I thought I may be getting a cold. I'll go have a bite of lunch and a nice cup of tea. I always feel better after a nice cup of tea. It'll wanna be a f***ing brilliant cup of tea to make me feel better this time, though. I think I'll go home early this afternoon. It's impossible for me to concentrate on anything anyway. Thank goodness for BetterMost. I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't come here to connect with lmy fellow-Brokies. Reading your posts has helped. Thanks for listening, guys. I'm such a mess right now. I just need to be here, with you all, right now.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 22, 2008, 09:42:19 pm
{{{{{Roux Wishes Kerry}}}}} People are in chat if you want to come and talk or just sit and listen.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 22, 2008, 09:49:30 pm
{{{{{Roux Wishes Kerry}}}}} People are in chat if you want to come and talk or just sit and listen.

Thanks Shasta. I popped into the chatroom earlier but wasn't familiar with the protocol so exited. I'll try again.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 09:51:05 pm
They've updated his IMDb page..... There's that date now..... Hate it!

It's my first day of holiday and I'm leaving tomorrow. Don't feel like it a bit! It's nice to be here with everyone..

I still can't believe it's true. Damnit!

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 22, 2008, 10:01:16 pm
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q186/southendmd/brokebackmtn_moontent.jpg)

(Full moon at Tent Scene 1)


I'm afraid I'll always think of Heath at the full moon now.  

I'm drinking an Australian shiraz in his honor, and crying intermittently.

There are two rented films sitting on my TV right now:  "Ten Things I Hate About You"  and "A Knight's Tale":  I had a Heath film festival this weekend.  As as a confirmed Gyllenhaalic, I came late to the Heathen table.  

I'll never forget the first twenty minutes of "Monster's Ball" where the seeds of Ennis were sown.  And, Leslie coming all the way down to Boston to see "Candy".  

And this fall, seeing the sneak preview of "I'm Not There" in NYC with Todd Haynes in attendance, the day after seeing Ang and James.  

So much you may have achieved, we'll never know....

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 10:07:34 pm
{{{{{Roux Wishes Kerry}}}}} People are in chat if you want to come and talk or just sit and listen.

chat is not working well for me, not sure if it is a my computer problem, or maybe it's just at capacity...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 22, 2008, 10:11:19 pm
Oh gosh, I just started thinking, I don't live all that far away from where Heath lived actually, in the city and Brooklyn.

I was always thinking someday I would see him walking around somewhere in the city, and I would have a great story to tell everyone here.

I can't believe now that it will never happen.

I can't believe that it is all real.

I live two blocks from the place he and Michelle bought in Brooklyn.  When I got off the subway just a bit ago, I walked past it.  I'd seen a guy with a big video camera near the subway station and figure he was there shooting something related to Heath's death.  Was surprised that there weren't more paparazzi around.  I only noticed a handful.  There were a couple standing around the nursing home across the street, and I thought I saw a few on the house side of the street.  I was on the other side of the street and passed a couple with cameras.  I noticed they watched me as I passed.  That felt like the longest two blocks I've ever walked because I was trying to get home before I started crying.  The subway ride felt long too.  At one point, I thought I was going to throw up. 

I got a notion to go by the place in Manhattan where he died, but there doesn't seem to be a point to it.  Besides, I don't want to have to deal with the hordes of people probably there.  I might go by tomorrow on my way into work.  Maybe the next day. 

I saw him once in my neighborhood.  He was pushing Matilda in a stroller, and we met up at the corner of the street.  He was dressed way down, t-shirt and sweat pants and had on sunglasses.  His hair was in something of a fro, bedhead.  I didn't recognize him at first, but I noticed he was tall and attractive and tried to be subtle about checking out this cute guy.  It wasn't until we went our separate ways that it hit me who he was.  I turned around for another look and felt pretty giddy. 

I'm kinda embarrassed to admit it, but whenever I would walk by his and Michelle's place, I would always look at the house, glance in the windows as I passed, hoping for a glimpse, notice the empty water cooler bottles, the bags of recycling set out, what kinds of cars were parked nearby.  This past year, the house was painted a nice shade that looks gray in some light, green in others.  Before, it had been an ugly, dull yellow.  I thought about leaving a note on the door telling them how great the new color was. 

I told myself that it was stupid for me to be all starstruck, that I was not special to them the way they were to me.  Just walk on by and deal with your life and business.  But I would still look.  It made me happy.  Maybe that's one reason why his death has hit me so hard. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 22, 2008, 10:12:51 pm
chat is not working well for me, not sure if it is a my computer problem, or maybe it's just at capacity...

I can't get in either at the moment... keep trying.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Clyde-B on January 22, 2008, 10:14:46 pm
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    I was in a store at a cash register buying things that don’t really matter when I heard the news.  They had the radio on and I heard the name Heath Ledger, so I listened wondering what he was up to now.  The only thing I heard was “Heath Ledger, dead at twenty-eight.”

   I stood paralyzed, an old man standing at a cash register, trying very hard not to cry about someone he didn’t even know.  It must have shown because the clerk asked me, “Are you all right?”  I shook my head, took my change and left wondering why he was dead so young, and I was still alive.

   I grew up on borrowed heroes.  Wondering how they’d react if they knew  who I really was, what I really was.  It took half a century before I saw someone who would give me a voice.  Someone who, straight or not, understood well enough what I had gone through to be able to show the world.  Someone who could be my real hero.

   I will miss him.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 10:18:12 pm
Hello everybody.  Its been a long time since I've dropped in to say hey... and I wish ... oh god I wish it were for a better reason than this.
Hi, hungry hungry! A little silver lining to the grief to see you again. I always though you left us because you were fabulously happy and living your life to the fullest. That's true, isn't it!! I emailed you today but it bounced back. So my heart leaped to see you here again! Thanks for huddling with us in our grief.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 22, 2008, 10:20:13 pm
On the ride home from work tonight, I was reading an interview the AV Club did with Linda Cardellini about "Freaks and Geeks," http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/linda_cardellini ("Brokeback Mountain" isn't mentioned in it.).  One thing she said about the show struck me as applicable to Heath, "Well, sometimes bright lights burn fast, and you really can't count on anything lasting too long."
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 10:20:32 pm
I'm reading here and suddenly started shaking my head..

It just won't sink in..

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 22, 2008, 10:20:44 pm



      i WAS  in for about an hour and left so others could make it in.. so if you want to try and go in there is one seat open..
chat will only take max 13 and we had that number in there...so you can try now if you would like........{{{{{{{{{{hugs to you
all..}}}}}}}}}}}}}      I want to send love and comfort to all the brokies now..........
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 22, 2008, 10:24:10 pm
    I was in a store at a cash register buying things that don’t really matter when I heard the news.  They had the radio on and I heard the name Heath Ledger, so I listened wondering what he was up to now.  The only thing I heard was “Heath Ledger, dead at twenty-eight.”

   I stood paralyzed, an old man standing at a cash register, trying very hard not to cry about someone he didn’t even know.  It must have shown because the clerk asked me, “Are you all right?”  I shook my head, took my change and left wondering why he was dead so young, and I was still alive.




   I grew up on borrowed heroes.  Wondering how they’d react if they knew  who I really was, what I really was.  It took half a century before I saw someone who would give me a voice.  Someone who, straight or not, understood well enough what I had gone through to be able to show the world.  Someone who could be my real hero.

   I will miss him.


[[[[[CLYDE ]]]]]]]]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 10:28:42 pm
On IMDb it says in his list of personal quotes:

Quote
"I'm not good at future planning. I don't plan at all. I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow. I don't have a day planner and I don't have a diary. I completely live in the now, not in the past, not in the future."

I live in the now [..] not in the future.....

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 22, 2008, 10:32:20 pm
    I was in a store at a cash register buying things that don’t really matter when I heard the news.  They had the radio on and I heard the name Heath Ledger, so I listened wondering what he was up to now.  The only thing I heard was “Heath Ledger, dead at twenty-eight.”

   I stood paralyzed, an old man standing at a cash register, trying very hard not to cry about someone he didn’t even know.  It must have shown because the clerk asked me, “Are you all right?”  I shook my head, took my change and left wondering why he was dead so young, and I was still alive.

   I grew up on borrowed heroes.  Wondering how they’d react if they knew  who I really was, what I really was.  It took half a century before I saw someone who would give me a voice.  Someone who, straight or not, understood well enough what I had gone through to be able to show the world.  Someone who could be my real hero.

   I will miss him.

So sweet Clyde. {{{{{{{Clyde}}}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kay-Nasty on January 22, 2008, 10:39:49 pm
i made a huge mistake and actually clicked onto the Heath Ledger IMDb Board. Can't believe how many horrible ppl felt the need to suddenly flock to his page. :-X But it gave me reason 10000000 why I love BM and all my fellow Brokies so much. The few "real" friends and family I have who even know who he is...was... :'(... are only sad because "there goes another cute face in hollywood". I have no words for them.
Thank you so much everyone. Apparently you guys are the only ones who really know how I feel right now. And I really appreciate all the hugs so many of you were giving out. I really needed it. :)

I love you all.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{BM Brokies}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

And I'm still waiting for that pinch to wake me up from this dreadful nightmare.
http://www.msn.com/
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on January 22, 2008, 10:41:14 pm

((((((((((Everyone))))))))))

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/BBMLinesVisualized/BrokieBrunch/Brokeback/Pickuptruckheadlight.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 22, 2008, 10:44:59 pm
Thank you Meryl. That's so pretty.

{{{{{Kay}}}}} {{{{{Meryl}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 22, 2008, 10:46:51 pm

I just left the chat room, so there should be one more space available.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Phillip Dampier on January 22, 2008, 10:47:15 pm
And Amanda, the 10pm EST chat was so full that everybody couldn't even get in that wanted to. People were literally having to leave to let others in. Looking back at that after this horrible news it just seems strange now. It's almost like somehow people knew something and felt a need to come together. I always try to come to the chats, but I have never seen any that full to where we maxed out the number that could get in.

Can you elaborate on this?  How many people were in the chat room at the time?  We should be able to support at least 50 people in chat at once.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 22, 2008, 10:48:15 pm
For those of you who would like to post a goodbye message to Heath, I started a thread in my blog. It's much quieter there, and your message will not end up becoming buried. I've read some beautiful posts in this thread. You are welcome to leave them over there too if you'd like.

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16535.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16535.0.html)

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 22, 2008, 10:48:25 pm
I think there were 12 or 13, Phillip. Well, no -- that was just a few minutes ago and people were saying it was full. I left to make room--I'd been there an hour.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2008, 10:51:47 pm
On the ride home from work tonight, I was reading an interview the AV Club did with Linda Cardellini about "Freaks and Geeks," http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/linda_cardellini ("Brokeback Mountain" isn't mentioned in it.).  One thing she said about the show struck me as applicable to Heath, "Well, sometimes bright lights burn fast, and you really can't count on anything lasting too long."

Ain't that the sad truth?  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on January 22, 2008, 10:52:23 pm
Rest in Peace, Dear Prince,


Funeral Blues
Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead,
Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last for ever; I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now: put out every one;
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood,
For nothing now can ever come to any good.

W. H. Auden

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2008, 10:53:03 pm
   I grew up on borrowed heroes.  Wondering how they’d react if they knew  who I really was, what I really was.  It took half a century before I saw someone who would give me a voice.  Someone who, straight or not, understood well enough what I had gone through to be able to show the world.  Someone who could be my real hero.

   I will miss him.


Aww, ((((Clyde)))))  I'm crying again, but this time through a smile.  What a beautiful sentiment, and what an amazing legacy Heath left.  He surely will be missed.  

Thanks,
Marie
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 22, 2008, 10:53:28 pm
On my way home from work today... walking home in complete shock... I thought about watching BBM.  But, now, at least for the moment that seems unbearably sad.  It's such an emotional experience to watch the movie anyway.  It will be an entirely new experience, I think, the next time I watch it. 


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/BBMLinesVisualized/BrokieBrunch/Brokeback/Pickuptruckheadlight.jpg)

Beautiful image to post at this time Meryl.  :-*

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Toycoon on January 22, 2008, 10:54:15 pm
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i made a huge mistake and actually clicked onto the Heath Ledger IMDb Board. Can't believe how many horrible ppl felt the need to suddenly flock to his page.

I made the same mistake. It was disgusting to see how insensitive some people can be on an anonymous IMDb board. Truly wretched.

God bless BetterMost. I love you guys. Heath, I'll miss you so much; I've never experienced this from a movie in my life. I wish I'd had the opportunity to meet you and tell you in person.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: cmr107 on January 22, 2008, 10:54:32 pm
I really have no words right now. I know I haven't been around much lately, but I'm so glad to have this place to come to. I love you all.  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 22, 2008, 10:56:47 pm
I don't know where to begin or what to say.
So I'll just do the best I can.
To me Heath ledger will forever br Ennis DelMar. I said this the other day when there was mention of him playing GWB. I don't care where he is or what he is playing he will always be my Ennis. He is the reason me got here.
I saw Brokeback Mountain April 10th 2007. My life has been forever changed. I so strongly identified with
Ennis Del Mar at that time. had it not been for Heaths exceptional acting ability, the movie, the character may not have had the impact on me that it did. He showed me what my life would be like if I didn't make the changes. He showed me that we only get one shot and it shouldn't be filled with regret. Yes, Ennis Del Mar never existed other than on the screen but he existed because Heath Brought him to life. I will forever love him for that.
I have never cried when an actor died. Well maybe when John Wayne died but I was only 9yrs old.
He made an impact on my life! I will forever be grateful, I will forever love him for that.
God rest your soul sweet man! I hope you find peace and comfort in the next life.
Thank you for all you have given to me through your gift.
I love you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 22, 2008, 11:06:24 pm
Heath is the lead story on Anderson Cooper tongight on CNN. I just can't bear to watch, but I cannot not watch either.  This is still so unreal and terrible and horrilbe and awful and unbearable.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 22, 2008, 11:12:49 pm
Well, shit.

 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 11:15:18 pm
(the chat is working fine for me now.)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: NavyVet on January 22, 2008, 11:16:06 pm
OMG.  I've just heard a little while ago.

I feel all verklempt.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: dot-matrix on January 22, 2008, 11:17:44 pm
I can't think right now, I've been in shock ever since I heard at 3 this afternoon.  It's so tragic, so senseless... I just don't have the words..... :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 22, 2008, 11:18:53 pm
I can't think right now, I've been in shock ever since I heard at 3 this afternoon.  It's so tragic, so senseless... I just don't have the words..... :'(
Hey Dottie!!
{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 22, 2008, 11:19:13 pm
I have so many thoughts and things I want to say, I have no idea where to begin or how to write 'em all down.  So I'm just going to ramble and probably not make sense:

I wonder if he was hoping for another nomination for his role in "I'm Not There" and then the nominations were announced today, and he wasn't nominated... :(

I'm hoping more folks will watch and discover Brokeback Mountain.  This is all new press for the story.

On the flip-side, I find it sad that the media is focusing in on BBM, because it was controversial.  The media hypes up and sensationalizes everything.  Heath was a great actor in other roles!  Stop singling out Brokeback Mountain for the sensationalism of it.  Give him props for the other roles he played so well.

I'm enjoying reading the IMDB board for BBM tonight too.  

And yes, I'm going to watch the movie in a little bit.  I'm watching it to honor Heath Ledger for his fine performance.  He touched me with his performance and protrayed "my life" up there on the big screen.  This is how I will honor him tonight.  This is my way of grieving for him.

And to that, "Damn you Heath!"  >:(   I'm sorry things were so bad that it came to this.  Maybe if you woulda just waited for that massage you would have felt better afterwards.  You were extremely talented and I loved ALL your movies you acted in.  I especially liked you as Jacob in The Brothers Grimm.  If you did this purposely, I can't say I respect that.  But putting myself in your shoes, I can understand the extreme amount of pressure you must have been under right at the moment.  Break up with Michelle.  Everyone ravin' about your performance in Batman.  But mostly only being remembered for Brokeback Mountain.  No Oscar nomination for I'm Not There.  I don't know what you were thinking or what pressure you were under really.  I'm just trying to put myself in your shoes.

To that, like others said, he might be iconic like James Dean now.  Now maybe more folks will seek out his films to watch and be more appreciative of his roles and acting abilites.  Maybe more folks will seek out Brokeback Mountain, and apprieciate it more now than before.  I hate that it's a two-edged sword.  You didn't need to die.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2008, 11:20:59 pm
OMG.  I've just heard a little while ago.

I feel all verklempt.


I'm just so damn mad at the stupid senselessness of his dying so young that I would like to hit somebody.  >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 22, 2008, 11:22:32 pm
I'm just so damn mad at the stupid senselessness of his dying so young that I would like to hit somebody.  >:(

Makes me so damn mad I want to whip babies!  >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 22, 2008, 11:23:15 pm
Amen Eric.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 22, 2008, 11:25:07 pm
I spent 2007 in love.  Deeply in love with the most unbelievably beautiful man, inside and out.  He moved away a few days ago, and I'm taking it very hard.  A friend recommended yesterday that I take homeopathic treatment called Natrum Muriatica - for grief and letting go.  I can't say what it's doing, but I do know that I'm calmer than I should be with the news of the death of Heath Ledger.

You know, I spent years training as an actor (when that was my interest), and was always troubled that I could never identify any actor male or female whom I could say was my favorite.  So I would just tell people Harrison Ford - no disrespect to Ford, but I only picked him because he had been in Star Wars.  

No actor had really touched me deeply with any portrayal until Heath Ledger as Ennis Del Mar.  I finally have my favorite actor, and now he's gone.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 22, 2008, 11:32:07 pm
They're reporting that Heath's mom and dad heard of his death on the news.

Sigh...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 11:33:16 pm
They're reporting that Heath's mom and dad heard of his death on the news.

Sigh...

.. chilling ..

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 22, 2008, 11:36:01 pm
They're reporting accidental death, and Heath was suffering from pneumonia at the time.  Also, that Michelle is very distraught, and heading to NYC.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: injest on January 22, 2008, 11:39:06 pm
you know, I was just thinking. You think he knew how much he meant to us?

I wonder if Jake knows. I wish that we could do like DC did with the Oscar snub...take out an ad to tell Jake what he has done for us.

While we still can...while HE is still able to see it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2008, 11:41:53 pm
If indeed it was suicide (......), what must he have been thinking when he started swallowing those pills? So f***** sad! He was alone. In the middle of the day. I can't believe he wanted to die... I'm 'happy' he was found quickly though, and not hours/days later..... This is the weirdest thing to write..

I keep thinking about what his parents, Michelle, Ang, Jake, Annie and all his friends and family must be going through right now.

I hope nobody feels guilty.

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 22, 2008, 11:43:18 pm
you know, I was just thinking. You think he knew how much he meant to us?

I wonder if Jake knows. I wish that we could do like DC did with the Oscar snub...take out an ad to tell Jake what he has done for us.

While we still can...while HE is still able to see it.

I honestly think they DO know...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on January 22, 2008, 11:48:29 pm
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Thanks, John (and Jenny).  And I wish the same to you both and to everyone else here.

I just sat in front of the TV watching a bit about it on HLN and saying out loud "I can't fucking believe this."  Then they got going on in graphic detail about how he was found, what he looked like, etc.  And I said "You BASTARDS."  I can't/won't watch it anymore.  I put on the Evening News on one of the networks, and at least they did a tasteful job of talking about his accomplishments and left it at that.

What have we become that we have to have these media circuses when something like this happens?  Hell, I thought it was horrible when they did it to Anna Nicole Smith.  But this is insufferable.

Jesus.  Whatever happened to allowing someone some dignity, if at no other time, at least in death?  Cretins.

(I think I'm going at rapid-fire speed into the Anger phase.  And I think I'm gonna be here for a while.)

Rest in peace, Heath.  You were beautiful.  And what you gave us all will live in our hearts forever.

Barb. Oh my.

It is so good to see you. I hope all is well in Sunny Florida. Excepting sad, sad news, of course--

Pay no mind to those cretins. The yammering becomes a murmur and then blessed silence. (I haven't had a TV for over ten years, so it's probably easy for me to say, but still--)

I've been reading lots of posts this evening (what I can, that is, it is rather difficult) and I have been writing a few short notes--but when I saw your kind note I just had to reply.

So here's something that the yammering TV boobs might not have mentioned about Tuesday, January 22, 2008. It was a strange, strange day. I sat in a Starbucks on Delancey and Allen for while, and thought--about nothing in particular. Peaceful.

And then weirdly, 'coincidentally,' I walked down Broome Street, around 12:30 or so, then walked back and turned left onto Layfayette---

I went home, had lunch, looked out the window, at the East River. (It had been very sunny in the very early morning, but then it turned gray.) Suddenly it was snowing--quite a lot. It was pretty. Then suddenly, around 3 o,clock, or so, it stopped, it cleared, and there was no trace that it had ever snowed.

Very gray day, cold and clear, but as I said earlier, very peaceful.

You have a quiet, peaceful evening, Barb. Pay no mind.

xxxx
John

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2008, 11:52:07 pm
So good to see your thoughts dear friend John. Thank you for sharing your walk and your day. It's comforting.

I heard from rt and he said to say hello to all of you, especially Barb and Leslie.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2008, 11:52:45 pm
They're reporting that Heath's mom and dad heard of his death on the news.

Sigh...

Well, that just sucks. What an awful way to learn that your child has died.  >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katness on January 22, 2008, 11:54:08 pm
i made a huge mistake and actually clicked onto the Heath Ledger IMDb Board. Can't believe how many horrible ppl felt the need to suddenly flock to his page. :-X But it gave me reason 10000000 why I love BM and all my fellow Brokies so much. The few "real" friends and family I have who even know who he is...was... :'(... are only sad because "there goes another cute face in hollywood". I have no words for them.
Thank you so much everyone. Apparently you guys are the only ones who really know how I feel right now. And I really appreciate all the hugs so many of you were giving out. I really needed it. :)

I love you all.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{BM Brokies}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

And I'm still waiting for that pinch to wake me up from this dreadful nightmare.
http://www.msn.com/

I agree. Actually, I'm still there looking out for posts that insight blatant hate speech or what have you and making them go *poof* by bringing them to the Admin's attention. But I'm also here for refuge.

Sincerely, Kat.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katness on January 22, 2008, 11:57:37 pm
you know, I was just thinking. You think he knew how much he meant to us?

I wonder if Jake knows. I wish that we could do like DC did with the Oscar snub...take out an ad to tell Jake what he has done for us.

While we still can...while HE is still able to see it.

Well, I personally believe Heath now knows how much he meant to us.

Sincerely, Kat.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2008, 11:58:53 pm
They're reporting accidental death, and Heath was suffering from pneumonia at the time.  Also, that Michelle is very distraught, and heading to NYC.

Thanks, Flash. I sure hope it's true, and the medical examiner can prove it, so we're not left with some space between what we know, and what we want to believe.  :'(

And now I think I need a drink.  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: ednbarby on January 23, 2008, 12:02:26 am
Barb. Oh my.

It is so good to see you. I hope all is well in Sunny Florida. Excepting sad, sad news, of course--

Pay no mind to those cretins. The yammering becomes a murmur and then blessed silence. (I haven't had a TV for over ten years, so it's probably easy for me to say, but still--)

I've been reading lots of posts this evening (what I can, that is, it is rather difficult) and I have been writing a few short notes--but when I saw your kind note I just had to reply.

So here's something that the yammering TV boobs might not have mentioned about Tuesday, January 22, 2008. It was a strange, strange day. I sat in a Starbucks on Delancey and Allen for while, and thought--about nothing in particular. Peaceful.

And then weirdly, 'coincidentally,' I walked down Broome Street, around 12:30 or so, then walked back and turned left onto Layfayette---

I went home, had lunch, looked out the window, at the East River. (It had been very sunny in the very early morning, but then it turned gray.) Suddenly it was snowing--quite a lot. It was pretty. Then suddenly, around 3 o,clock, or so, it stopped, it cleared, and there was no trace that it had ever snowed.

Very gray day, cold and clear, but as I said earlier, very peaceful.

You have a quiet, peaceful evening, Barb. Pay no mind.

xxxx
John

I can't thank you enough for those beautiful words, John.

You know, the wind is howling outside my window, now, through the pouring rain.  The wind is not unusual here this time of year, but the pouring rain is.  If Ennis is gone, too, then he is finally with Jack.  Between that notion and your lovely words, I think I just might have a peaceful night after all.

xxxx you, too,
Barb
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 23, 2008, 12:02:42 am
you know, I was just thinking. You think he knew how much he meant to us?

Well, they all knew how much they've done for us, because some of our fellow Brokies told them so, to their faces, at that screening in L.A. in 2006 where they were present for a discussion after the film was shown.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 12:04:56 am
Well, I personally believe Heath now knows how much he meant to us.

Sincerely, Kat.

He sure does Katness. I totally agree with you. If he didn't know it, he knows it now.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Rayn on January 23, 2008, 12:06:03 am
I can hardly believe it. I just got the news about an hour and a half ago. It feels much like Jack dying in the movie only this it true life.  I know everyone will be terribly upset today and for a good while we will feel a great sadness.  Different scenes from Brokeback Mt keep appearing and disappearing in my mind.  I'm so sad and even if I tell myself to be thankful for a superb actor to have played a role that gave our community such a great gift, I can't feel anything but grief.  But I'm grateful our Bettermost community is here.  I'm sending a hug to anyone who needs it...  In memory of Heath.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Pipedream on January 23, 2008, 12:21:01 am
I just heard the news on my way to work. What a shock. My heartfelt sympathy goes out to Heath's family, Michelle and little Matilda. It's so heartbreaking that Heath won't see her grow up now. It really makes me cry.  :'(   
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 23, 2008, 12:30:59 am
I can hardly believe it. I just got the news about an hour and a half ago. It feels much like Jack dying in the movie only this it true life.  I know everyone will be terribly upset today and for a good while we will feel a great sadness.  Different scenes from Brokeback Mt keep appearing and disappearing in my mind.  I'm so sad and even if I tell myself to be thankful for a superb actor to have played a role that gave our community such a great gift, I can't feel anything but grief.  But I'm grateful our Bettermost community is here.  I'm sending a hug to anyone who needs it...  In memory of Heath.

Thank you, Rayn.  {{{{{{{{{{Rayn}}}}}}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 23, 2008, 12:36:58 am


:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 23, 2008, 12:37:57 am
I can hardly believe it. I just got the news about an hour and a half ago. It feels much like Jack dying in the movie only this it true life.  I know everyone will be terribly upset today and for a good while we will feel a great sadness.  Different scenes from Brokeback Mt keep appearing and disappearing in my mind.  I'm so sad and even if I tell myself to be thankful for a superb actor to have played a role that gave our community such a great gift, I can't feel anything but grief.  But I'm grateful our Bettermost community is here.  I'm sending a hug to anyone who needs it...  In memory of Heath.
Rayn, you sweet man! Thanks for the hug!
You know, I was thinking the same thing when I heard. For a split second I thought about the tire iron and how my reaction to this was much the same as it was to Jacks death in the movie.
The only difference is this is real in the physical world and we will never see him again outside of dreams and re-runs.
God rest his soul.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 23, 2008, 12:45:02 am
A friend e-mailed me to say "so sorry to hear about Heath Ledger, hope you're doing ok."

I thought: "what the hell?" and checked the NY Times, figuring that it would be sober and respectful enough to keep me from cringing.

The friend isn't the sort to make a cruel joke, but I still keep refreshing the news pages, figuring there's got to be some mistake.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 23, 2008, 12:47:57 am
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but I still keep refreshing the news pages, figuring there's got to be some mistake.
Friend, if only it were so. :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: KristinDaBomb on January 23, 2008, 12:51:32 am
I heard about this earlier and I thought it was some sick joke. I am heartbroken.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 23, 2008, 12:51:57 am

 I still keep refreshing the news pages, figuring there's got to be some mistake.


Me too.  Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 23, 2008, 12:52:31 am
I have just turned off the news after watching a five hour non stop coverage of Heath Ledger......(I am in Australia)....


......and I feel like I have just sat and watched Brokeback Mountain with the whole world, and they are greving along with us, the way we grieved when Jack died........

Im sorry if that sounds weird, but I gotta let it out..........
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 23, 2008, 12:53:21 am
A friend e-mailed me to say "so sorry to hear about Heath Ledger, hope you're doing ok."

I thought: "what the hell?" and checked the NY Times, figuring that it would be sober and respectful enough to keep me from cringing.

The friend isn't the sort to make a cruel joke, but I still keep refreshing the news pages, figuring there's got to be some mistake.
I wish it were, Mel. But I'm so glad to see you here! Some of the threads you started in the Open Forum are still going strong!! I'm sending a hug over the Continental Divide to you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: brokeplex on January 23, 2008, 12:54:23 am
This has totally bowled me over. I just need to be alone with D.L. right now. I need to get out of the city and head into the country. We are loading up my truck and heading to the cabin on Lake Cherokee tonight, I would like to see the sun rise over the pine trees, maybe have breakfast with D.L. and his little boy later on.  
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 23, 2008, 01:08:00 am
I can't thank you enough for those beautiful words, John.

You know, the wind is howling outside my window, now, through the pouring rain.  The wind is not unusual here this time of year, but the pouring rain is.  If Ennis is gone, too, then he is finally with Jack.  Between that notion and your lovely words, I think I just might have a peaceful night after all.

xxxx you, too,
Barb

I write this message from Heath's homeland, Australia. It is a bright, sunny, high summer day here.

It's a perfect day for surfing, Heath. You can now do all the surfing you want, little darlin'.   

 :'(   :'(   :'(
 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: "Joseph Golden" on January 23, 2008, 01:11:23 am
In Brokeback Mountain we lost Jack, Now in the real world we lose Heath. The pain we feel and share is real now, that sorrowful melancholy has returned with a vengeance.

Heath Ledger was a brilliant man and a wonderful father. He was amiable, eleemosynary and idiosyncrasy.
Although i didn't know him personally or ever met him. The films he choose to be apart of read to use all his characteristics and beliefs.

From "10 Things I Hate About You"
Where he showed us that you cant bind a relationship on deceit. There is noway of knowing how/what it could happen. The only thing we must show is when we do find that person. We must be scrupulous to those feelings and to the people involved.

To "Two Hands"
A person as young as 19 can get themselves in situations that can haunt them in ways they don't expect or care. That the people from the wrong sides of the track deal with there own life battles. Sometimes, although it might not be fair, we have to deal with the hand we are dealt with. Two's hands better than one. Or is it?

To "The Patriot"
Ones fathers lose, a child's murder and a family torn apart in a world that seems so far away. How one man can rise up to patriotism to revenge a sons socking slaughter. How a family can die from the inside out. Even though it was based 150 years ago. The themes are universal.

To "Monsters Ball"
The prejudice of a family that slowly has been watered down to a impassive approach to the world around them. Heath is bread from a blood line that still lived in the heart of many southern Americans no so long ago. In that the dark coloured world must be tormented, hated and discriminated upon. He showed a side of America that should be more alive than dead. In that we must except the change, not hate or fear ones that are a little darker than we are.

To "Ned Kelly"
A country's law enforcements gradual discrimination on a family in the 18th century. That led to a devastating effect on there lives. A men that on the surface robbed banks, but underlying a side that is universally renowned. The love for a family we all share. The things we would do for them. Here is where we learnt that the intolerance and discrimination of a police force kills all of the above inside and out.

To "Brokeback Mountain"
Probably Heaths most loved and remembered role, as Ennis Del Mar. Here we see the destructive effects of rural homophobia in its rawest form. The love of two men should be strong enough to hold time. But is torn apart by the hate of the world today. A film that was set in the 70's but making the world realise the hate and fear is still alive. Ennis Del Mar was abused by his father, feared the worlds prejudice and loved Jack Twist more than he could ever omit. Not till Jacks demise does he know the mistakes he made. If only the world could realize thier's.

Heath Ledger bleed though the roles his played. He showed his intolerance of society. His yearn for society to change its ways. Heath Ledger told us that the Tire Iron folk are unwanted and wont be tolerated anymore. That Racial prejudice of society has devastating effects on not only the victims but the enforcers.
We seen Heaths heart though his roles, we seen what he believes in and the trials he attempted to change.

I don't know Heath Ledger personally, but god i know what he believed in. To me that's the greatest achievement he achieved. His roles as a person and a actor transcends what it is we know about Heath.

The only other little tragedy that suppresses out grieve for Heath comes in the form of a child, her name is Matilda. The baby girl that will never know her dad. The child that has lost half her life. Her mother, her only life support torn apart by the realism and tragedy of her child's fathers death.

To Heath, Matilda, Michele, his friends and family. I say i prayer, by Bhagavad Gita.

For certain is death for the born
And certain is birth for the dead;
Therefore over the inevitable
Thou shouldst not grieve.


The fear that lies in the heart of many is the fear Heath committed suicide. Our hope that this is not true is evident in the eyes of those who morn his death.  The only other reason for his death, was a accident. To many this hurts more knowing his life was stolen at the hand of god. How he could allow something so tragic is beyond me.

It does not matter, Heath Ledger is dead at the young age of 28. That's the tragedy in all our hearts.

22nd of January will go down as the day we lost one of the good guys, one of our idols, our hero and our dream. The day Heath Ledger died. The day he was stolen from our world for reasons we will never know.
The day my sister also had a miscarriage.
A haunting, terrible and tragic day.

Thank You Heath, And Goodbye.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 23, 2008, 01:21:25 am
I wonder how Jake reacted?


Yes, I'm wondering too. And who broke the news to him? I hope he didn't hear it on the news, like Heath's parents did [that's what one thread here says]. That would be even more sickening..

j.U.d.E.   :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: RouxB on January 23, 2008, 01:23:29 am
The only bright spot in this otherwise abjectly miserable day is seeing so many of my old friends drop in to pay respects. You all have been such a huge part of my life and my happiness and having you here as part of my sorrow means everything.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 23, 2008, 01:30:45 am

Me too.  Doesn't make sense.

Grieving reminds me of Heath's performance in the phone scene.

There was some very deep truth about grief in that scene.

Goddamn it.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 23, 2008, 01:34:07 am
I been thinking of Ennis sitting at the Twist table.........

"I feel awful bad about Jack......cant begin to say how bad I feel"
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 01:37:05 am
OMG Sue. Now I've lost it again.  :'(

It's already in the morning here, and it's still true.

Oh God.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 23, 2008, 01:39:26 am
Update: A statement from the family.


We, Heath's family, confirm the very tragic, untimely and accidental passing of our dearly loved son, brother and doting father of Matilda, who was found in a peaceful sleep in his New York apartment by his housekeeper at 3:30 p.m. (EST)," his father, Kim, read while accompanied by mother Sally and Ledger's sister, Katie.
"We would like to thank our friends and everyone around the world for their kind wishes at this time.

"Heath has touched so many people on so many different levels during his short life, but few had the pleasure to truly know him.

"He was a down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving and unselfish individual who was an extreme inspiration to many.

"Please now respect our family's need to grieve and come to terms with our loss privately."

The family was speaking from Applecross, Australia.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 23, 2008, 01:39:54 am
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gH-PWamUZZ51wDO5UC0hUwaNXeOg

Excerpt:

In Australia, Ledger's father Kim spoke of his family's grief and said the actor's death was accidental.
"We, Heath's family can confirm the very tragic, untimely and accidental passing of our dearly loved son, brother and doting father of Matilda," Mr Ledger said in Perth.
"He was a down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving unselfish individual extremely inspirational to many."
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 23, 2008, 01:40:51 am
I hope you are all okay. I thought I starting to be okay, but now I am just totally devastad again after watching the news and seeing Heath and how beautiful he was. It just is so sad, more than sad, I still don't have any real words.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 01:41:59 am
Update: A statement from the family.


We, Heath's family, confirm the very tragic, untimely and accidental passing of our dearly loved son, brother and doting father of Matilda, who was found in a peaceful sleep in his New York apartment by his housekeeper at 3:30 p.m. (EST)," his father, Kim, read while accompanied by mother Sally and Ledger's sister, Katie.
"We would like to thank our friends and everyone around the world for their kind wishes at this time.

"Heath has touched so many people on so many different levels during his short life, but few had the pleasure to truly know him.

"He was a down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving and unselfish individual who was an extreme inspiration to many.

"Please now respect our family's need to grieve and come to terms with our loss privately."

The family was speaking from Applecross, Australia.

I saw his parents interviewed on one of the major news networks here. It smashed my heart to pieces. I can't even begin to understand the anguish they are going through right now. It's heart wrenching.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 01:46:15 am
Matilda will never conciously know her daddy. She will not remember him. Poor Matilda. Poor Michelle. And all his family.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 23, 2008, 01:54:11 am
Exactly Littlewing - like sleeping and waking up later to find out this terrible news isn't true.

My mind cannot process 'Heath Ledger' and 'dead' in the same sentence.

I know exactly what you mean, BBM-Cat!

I just saw an Aussie contestant on American Idol who sounded so much like Heath that it brought tears to my eyes!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on January 23, 2008, 01:58:51 am
It's nice to see old friends coming by as we grieve our beloved Heath.  Nice to see you especially, Mel.  :-*

I'm still numb, except for bouts of anger.  I can't believe I'm posting a memorial to him in the Cult thread and looking online for quotes and poems to help express the loss.  I just can't believe it, God damn it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 23, 2008, 02:06:43 am
I made the same mistake. It was disgusting to see how insensitive some people can be on an anonymous IMDb board. Truly wretched.

God bless BetterMost. I love you guys. Heath, I'll miss you so much; I've never experienced this from a movie in my life. I wish I'd had the opportunity to meet you and tell you in person.

I know!  I was over there as well, and couldn't believe the troll posts.  I probably shouldn't even mention the unpleasantness here.

I know my true home, though!  I give thanks for my Bettermost family everyday!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on January 23, 2008, 02:07:32 am
Hey Brokies.  

   I heard about this tragic news at the airport.   I was stunned to say the least.    The news was via a text message a co-worker recieved.   I was hoping it was a rumor and incorrect.   Alas it wasn't.    

   Suicide was my first thought.   I thought "well maybe he was distraught over the breakup.  Did he lose visitation rights?"    There had to be a reason.   His career was still climbing.  The Batman movie would certainly have paid well.   He had the world by the shorthairs.    But I suppose none of that matters when you are unhappy.    Drugs.   I hate them so.

    Heath is Ennis.   Ennis is Heath.   Ennis is frozen in our minds after the movie.   Now Heath is too.   So sad.

    I wonder how Jake reacted?

   Sorry for the rambling.    :'(

    Hi John Gallagher!    Thanks for checking in.   Please give Jenny and Meryl a hug from me when you see them next.    I miss all my NY Brokies so much.




I will! I'm meeting Meryl tomorrow morning around eleven--I'm sure we'll have a coffee and a little cry. We'll also probably walk by Broome Street. It's probably wrong to do so, but--somehow not. (We'll have good thoughts, not bad ones--or worst, small ones.)

xx
John
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: brokebackjack on January 23, 2008, 02:07:49 am
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You are loved Adam.  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: RT on January 23, 2008, 02:10:58 am
My memories of Heath Ledger:

Out of the blue, a friend called me at my Chicago office today and said, “Go to TMZ.  Brace yourself because this is bad.”  I knew someone had died and of course my browser took forever to open the site.  I was stunned. 

After a short trip to the restroom and a chance to catch my breath, I looked out the window down to the now empty, snow-covered lot below at Washington and Franklin, where Heath had spent months on the set of The Dark Knight, which was only recently covered with trailers and fanfare. 

Heath, whom I could periodically see from my window above when he would arrive at the set in the late afternoon, had been in close proximity to me many times during the Summer in preparation for the night shoots on our city streets.  His call time was after 2:30PM.  I remember watching him several times enter and exit what appeared to be the make-up trailer, curious as to why I had somehow decided not to pursue meeting him when a short time earlier I went to great lengths with no success.  Now he was standing right beneath me, day after day, for months. 

This thought struck me strange since as a journalist in the film business I had once flown to LA during Brokeback Oscar fever to meet him post-screening for a quick interview where he did not show up, canceling in the clinch to tend to Michelle and Matilda, both of whom were ill and he felt wrong leaving alone, even for just a few hours.   I got over it, but it was a bit of a blow at the time!

Two years ago, I was nearly unable to separate Heath from Ennis, and only sometime later when I realized I could almost not watch Brokeback anymore because of the sense memories and emotions attached, did my fascination start to subside a bit after he went on to other roles and I came back to reality. 

Today I regret not going downstairs and pursuing a meeting with the guy to explain to him just how much Ennis affected me.  What I really wanted to say would have embarrassed me and there was likely no way to say it and remain a respected professional.  Perhaps I was afraid.  I’ve met many stars in this line of work but his achievement in Brokeback was monumental and meaningful, and one for the books.  Indelible.  Profound.  Once in a lifetime. 

Perhaps I just knew that such an encounter would have shattered my iconic illusions, that when standing face to face with him, the mythic and poetic character would dissipate before me.  I would see that he was just a real person. 

Today I was painfully reminded of this.  But I will always have the myth, if not the man. 

RT
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 02:14:04 am
Thank you for sharing your memories with us RT. How beautiful!

And welcome to Bettermost. I'm sorry it had to be on such a sad day, but we sure are glad you are here! :)


Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 23, 2008, 02:15:51 am
My memories of Heath Ledger:

Out of the blue, a friend called me at my Chicago office today and said, “Go to TMZ.  Brace yourself because this is bad.”  I knew someone had died and of course my browser took forever to open the site.  I was stunned. 

After a short trip to the restroom and a chance to catch my breath, I looked out the window down to the now empty, snow-covered lot below where Heath had spent months on the set of The Dark Knight, which was only recently covered with trailers and fanfare. 

Heath, whom I could periodically see from my window above when he would arrive at the set in the late afternoon, and had been in close proximity to me many times during the Summer in preparation for the night shoots on our city streets.  His call time was after 2:30PM.  I remember watching him enter and exit what appeared to be the make-up trailer several times, curious as to why I had somehow decided not to pursue meeting him when a short time earlier I went to great lengths with no success.  Now he was standing right beneath me, day after day, for months. 

This thought struck me strange since as a journalist in the film business I had once flown to LA during Brokeback Oscar fever to meet him post-screening for a quick interview where he did not show up, canceling in the clinch to tend to Michelle and Matilda, both of whom were ill and he felt wrong leaving alone, even for just a few hours.   I got over it, but it was a bit of a blow at the time!

Two years ago, I was nearly unable to separate Heath from Ennis, and only sometime later when I realized I could almost not watch Brokeback anymore because of the sense memories and emotions attached, did my fascination start to subside a bit after he went on to other roles and I came back to reality. 

Today I regret not going downstairs and pursuing a meeting with the guy to explain to him just how much Ennis affected me.  What I really wanted to say would have embarrassed me and there was likely no way to say it and remain a respected professional.  Perhaps I was afraid.  I’ve met many stars in this line of work but his achievement in Brokeback was monumental and meaningful, and one for the books.  Indelible.  Profound.  Once in a lifetime. 

Perhaps I just knew that such an encounter would have shattered my iconic illusions, that when standing face to face with him, the mythic and poetic character would dissipate before me.  I would see that he was just a real person. 

Today I was painfully reminded of this.  But I will always have the myth, if not the man. 

RT



Thanks, rt, and good to see you.  

I got to see Heath in real life, and I was still in awe of him and his ability.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Rainwolf on January 23, 2008, 02:22:35 am
I curse my computer screen quite often, but not in the context I did today. I still can't believe it. RIP Heath, you, and your abilities will be missed.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Shuggy on January 23, 2008, 02:27:16 am
"Please now respect our family's need to grieve and come to terms with our loss privately."
Early on, that was screened unedited: the family tried to wave away questions and move back into the house but one voice called out "One question. Who are you?" and they had to say their names. Unbelievable. Not even an "excuse me" or a "would you mind telling us your names".

I hope the crassness will fade as people have more time to collect their thoughts and mind their words.

It's really good to have Bettermost to come home to, for us all to lick our wounds. Hugs to you all.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 02:28:03 am
Perhaps we should hug all our loved ones today and make certain they understand how much we love them. I think Heath would want us to do that. Because as we just found out today, we never know when the inevitable will strike.

I already told my daddy I love him.

And so......


{{{{{{BETTERMOST}}}}}

I love you guys!! :)

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BBM-Cat on January 23, 2008, 02:33:31 am
Perhaps we should hug all our loved ones today and make certain they understand how much we love them. I think Heath would want us to do that. Because as we just found out today, we never know when the inevitable will strike.

Most definitely - such an irony, that the tragedy of BBM hits us even harder, and for real this time.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 02:41:29 am
(((David))) Love you sweetheart.

((( all Brokies)))
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: dot-matrix on January 23, 2008, 02:43:27 am
Resquiat in Pace
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/151/heath2bledger2b6qq9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Those whom the gods love die young
-- Homer's hymn to Apollo

Heath was a man's man, he was sensitive and kind, he was shy and retiring, he was a lover, a father, a son and a brother.  He was all the things he brought to his iconic role of Ennis Del Mar and so much much more.

I feel strongly that it is  appropriate and essential to note that Heath's portrayal of Ennis Del Mar in "Brokeback Mountain" was not merely unforgettable. It was intensely human and moving, also painful and difficult to deal with because his performance was so real and so true. Heath Ledger vanished and Ennis Del Mar came to life before our eyes.  Up there on the big screen, was a man we'd seen before; a gay man, a real person, this was not a joke. This was genuinely heartbreaking. And I do not believe any other actor his age could have done such great justice to Annie Proulx's tormented and tragic hero. Heath stated that he;

"took the time to investigate him and to discover what exactly his battles were. What was preventing him from expressing emotion and to love? And one of the conclusions I came to was that he's battling himself."

That is a measure of Heath’s  talent, young as he was. And his promise. And now that is gone forever but he will also live forever in every heart he touched and be forever beautiful and forever young.  Matilda may only have fleeting and vague memories of the man that was her father but his family and his films will keep him alive for her.

 :'(  {{{Big hugs to you all}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Toycoon on January 23, 2008, 02:45:22 am
I know exactly what you mean, BBM-Cat!

I just saw an Aussie contestant on American Idol who sounded so much like Heath that it brought tears to my eyes!

I saw him too, Littlewing. I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 23, 2008, 02:51:06 am
(http://www.getgreatdesign.com/4thread/Heaven2.jpg)

Anything interesting up there in heaven?

 :'(
-Laura
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 23, 2008, 02:57:59 am
Thank you, beautiful Laura.

:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 03:01:09 am
(((David))) Love you sweetheart.

((( all Brokies)))

{{{CHRISSI}}}}

I love you too sweet baby!!  :-*

I wish I had a dollar for every time you've made me laugh. I'd be a very rich man now. And you've made me think and ponder too. Not an easy feat for someone like me! You gleam and shine like a brilliant diamond. Thanks for being such a good friend!


Resquiat in Pace
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/151/heath2bledger2b6qq9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Those whom the gods love die young
-- Homer's hymn to Apollo

Heath was a man's man, he was sensitive and kind, he was shy and retiring, he was a lover, a father, a son and a brother.  He was all the things he brought to his iconic role of Ennis Del Mar and so much much more.

I feel strongly that it is  appropriate and essential to note that Heath's portrayal of Ennis Del Mar in "Brokeback Mountain" was not merely unforgettable. It was intensely human and moving, also painful and difficult to deal with because his performance was so real and so true. Heath Ledger vanished and Ennis Del Mar came to life before our eyes.  Up there on the big screen, was a man we'd seen before; a gay man, a real person, this was not a joke. This was genuinely heartbreaking. And I do not believe any other actor his age could have done such great justice to Annie Proulx's tormented and tragic hero. Heath stated that he;

"took the time to investigate him and to discover what exactly his battles were. What was preventing him from expressing emotion and to love? And one of the conclusions I came to was that he's battling himself."

That is a measure of Heath’s  talent, young as he was. And his promise. And now that is gone forever but he will also live forever in every heart he touched and be forever beautiful and forever young.  Matilda may only have fleeting and vague memories of the man that was her father but his family and his films will keep him alive for her.

 :'(  {{{Big hugs to you all}}}


What a beautiful and appropriate tribute to Heath, Dottie. I'm certain he's reading it right now from somewhere up there!  :'(  :'(

 :-*  :-*

(http://www.getgreatdesign.com/4thread/Heaven2.jpg)

Anything interesting up there in heaven?

 :'(
-Laura

Laura, I was hoping to look up at the stars tonight and see that sweet face of Heath written somewhere up there in the Heavens. What a beautiful graphic! Thanks baby!!!  :-*






Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 23, 2008, 03:05:33 am
Thanks for sharing RT.  Good night to all.  Until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Toycoon on January 23, 2008, 03:06:22 am
(http://www.getgreatdesign.com/4thread/Heaven2.jpg)

Anything interesting up there in heaven?

 :'(
-Laura

Beautiful, Lauragigs. I love you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: JennyC on January 23, 2008, 03:12:41 am
I was dumfounded to hear the heartbreaking news.  It’s extremely sad for such a gifted life to end so young.  He was loved by so many, and will be remembered by many people.  As I am grieving for his death, I am grateful that his life has touched mine. 

It will be a while before I can watch Brokeback Mountain again. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 03:48:20 am
Well Friends, I just finished watching Brokeback Mountain like I said I would.  It was my way of honoring our man Heath tonight.  Even though Heath may no longer be with us, his Ennis Del Mar will always be with us on DVD and film, Ennis Del Mar will always be with us!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 23, 2008, 03:56:20 am
Random thoughts: 

·   28 year olds aren't supposed to die, and I feel angry that it happens.  I'm mad at fate or God or whatever it is that allows it. 

·   Parents aren't supposed to bury their children. 

·   Children shouldn't have to grow up without their fathers. 

·   Mothers shouldn't have to explain to their children why their daddy ain't there anymore, shouldn't have to work to keep the father’s memory alive to them. 

·   I hate that his sisters have lost their brother, that there's one less in their special, unique group now. 

·   I hate what his friends and family are going to have to go through.  After awhile, they will go on living their lives.  Then, something will make them think of Heath, and, in a split second, they'll realize he's no longer here.  It's like when the power goes off and you walk into a room and flick on the light switch but no light comes on. 

·   I hate that those two ladies had to go through finding him like they did.  That must have been horrible. 

·   I hate that to some people, Heath's death is just a news story, whether they are reading/hearing/watching it or reporting it. 

·   The cause of Heath’s death is all speculation right now, but I wonder if it was caused by an accidental, bad combination of meds, that they mixed together just wrong to stop his heart.  I'm reminded of the night before my grandfather died, how he was miserable but the doctors wouldn't give him anything stronger than a Tylenol because his blood pressure was already dangerously low and stronger meds would lower it even more and kill him. 

·   He will surely be remembered at the Oscars, and he'll get roaring applause. 

·   The release of the next Batman movie later this year will be well publicized, and there's going to be this sadness attached to it all now. 

·   I don't want Heath to join the ranks of James Dean and Marilyn Monroe and Janis Joplin and all the other celebrities who died too young.  I don't want him to be remembered by much of the world as that actor guy who died at 28.  I don't want him to be more famous dead than alive.  I don't want him to have the “cache,” or whatever you call it, of dying young. 

·   I wanted to see how his career went as he aged, what roles he took, if he even stayed in acting.  I was hoping see him when he got much older, like in his 60s and 70s, wondering what he was going to be like, how he'd look, what he'd be doing. 

·   I hate that there will be no more movies with him, no more shots of him carrying Matilda on his shoulders, no more charmingly awkward interviews, no more celebrity sighting reports. 

·   I know already that I'm going to buy every newspaper and magazine I can find that feature articles on Heath's life and death, even the trashy ones.  I'll bet he gets the cover of People's next issue, probably the whole thing. 

·   I hate that, like with Cass Elliot, errors and inaccuracies and speculations are probably going to be remembered and associated with Heath’s death. 

·   I can be jaded and cynical, and I hate that one of the relatively few things that could get me excited like a kid is gone. 

·   I hate we're never going to get Heath’s commentary on a DVD edition of “Brokeback Mountain.” 

·   I hate that the sad, melancholy feeling that permeates “Brokeback Mountain” has increased exponentially and that it's based on reality, that it's not because of the death of a fictional character.  As hard as Jack's death is to take, Heath’s seems harder for me because it's not just a movie. 

·   I hate that we're never going to get to see corny reunions of Jake and Heath on awards shows. 

·   I hate thinking about what was going through his mind as he died. 

·   I hate this feeling that a good book I started reading or a wonderful movie I started watching just ended, got truncated, no warning, when it seemed like there was so much more to go, and I was so looking forward to it. 

·   I hate that to a whole lotta people, my grief and mourning for Heath is not considered legitimate because he was a celebrity, someone that I didn't know but knew of.  It brings back bad memories of a situation from my younger days.  I feel a little like I reckon Ennis did when Jack died or like the narrator of “Ode to Billy Joe.” 

·   I hate that there's nothing I can do about this but get through it.  Life will go on, and I'll feel better soon enough, but things aren't going to be quite the same.  My Brokeback friends are a comfort and I appreciate you all, but nothing seems to really make me feel that much better.  As cheesy as it may sound, Heath took a little bit of my heart and joy with him when he died, and I want them and him back. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 03:58:33 am
We each grieve in our own way. There is no wrong or right when it comes to grief.

I don't think I will watch Brokeback Mountain anytime soon. I don't think I can bear it.

Having said that, I'm very thankful it helped you Eric. I'm sure for some Brokies here seeing Ennis again will be therapeutic. I thought about watching it, but I just can't right now. Each one of us will work through this using different methods. And that is good, isn't it?

Maybe someday I will watch it again. Hopefully soon. :)

Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 23, 2008, 04:01:42 am
(http://www.getgreatdesign.com/4thread/Heaven2.jpg)

Anything interesting up there in heaven?

Damn, Laura.  You made me cry again, but you made me smile too.  It's beautiful. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 23, 2008, 04:12:41 am
I heard the news from six, back to back, voice messages at my office late in the day. I am in LA. How hurtfully fitting, I guess. I had to drive to a meeting in Newport Beach; did Heath travel this road? I was in a daze, driving in a clearly unsafe state of mind; I looked up at one point and saw a sign that said “Del Mar Avenue, next exit.”

For me, Ennis Del Mar WAS Heath Ledger. After decades of unknowing, waiting, yearning, hoping…he appeared like a sunrise in my life. ‘It was just a movie and a character’ people would say; but, for me, much, much more…as you all know perfectly well in your own lives.

Psychotic, perhaps. Immature, likely. But, I fell in love with this man, this character, this person who so led us out of a bog that was threatening, trapping, unfulfilling. He created a joy, a happiness, a welcoming that few, if any, had ever done. The sense of loss is complete; nothing can replace the man, the object of my reverence, or heal the wound now inflicted so unexpectedly.

I know thousands feel as I do. Few had the chance to reach out to him and offer our love and compassion for all he meant to us. If only….if only someone could have been there to help him sleep, to ease his pain, to do anything in small reciprocation of all the good he did for so many. Guilt shrouds my being in large part.

My spirituality tends to suggest that when a person’s “job” is done on earth, he is called to his eternal home. For me, dear Heath did more for humankind in 2 plus hours of film than many of us who strive and fail over the decades. He accomplished so much; but, why take the good so soon?

When the forums began taking on new directions 12-15 months ago and discussions began to be heated debate on many social/political issues, the unpleasantness on occasion by myself and others seems so regrettable and a wrongly placed effort. He gave us joy.

Two years ago, I felt happier than I have felt in 25 years. Today, the depth of sadness and pitiful wishing that time could be reversed just one day is overwhelming.

He will forever be exactly what he was that created our legitimate obsession and passion. Now, he will never grow old; a love that will never grow old. Our Heath. The man who renewed my hope and my emotion. We’ve all talked for two years about his promise to Jake to never forget him; today that promise comes from my heart to him.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 04:13:44 am
We each grieve in our own way. There is no wrong or right when it comes to grief.

I don't think I will watch Brokeback Mountain anytime soon. I don't think I can bear it.

Having said that, I'm very thankful it helped you Eric. I'm sure for some Brokies here seeing Ennis again will be therapeutic. I thought about watching it, but I just can't right now. Each one of us will work through this using different methods. And that is good, isn't it?

Maybe someday I will watch it again. Hopefully soon. :)




Yes, we all have our own ways of dealing with this.  For me, it was to watch the movie.  That may not be for everyone now, and that is ok.   :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: wulfar360 on January 23, 2008, 04:39:21 am
well as i sit here in tears becaue i dont think it became real to me, i didnt believe it till ijust watched the video of them takin his body out of  his building, i just wanted to say thanks heath for making ennis del mar come real for eveeryone you touched our hearts and souls may you find rest and peace


ya know i think its funny bout how many  phonecalls i got today from people " did you hear"

and also how many times ive heard the word brokeback mountain today


<gives the man a moment of silence and lowers his head<
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 04:43:54 am


(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/Penthesilea06/heathbw2.jpg)


I still can't wrap my mind around it. I still have a hard time to believe it. I can't say good-bye- not now, not yet.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: wulfar360 on January 23, 2008, 04:59:46 am
i was going though some of my pics  of heath and this  one seemed most appropriate
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 23, 2008, 05:00:41 am
I,ve just woken up to the most dreadful news here in the UK. I can,t beleive it, as I,m sure none of us can. What a tragic waste of such a young life. Not only must Michele obviously be devasted, but poor Jake must be in pieces too. One thing about these reporters that always annoys the hell out of me. Why does at least one of them, have to say that he was found naked? Does it matter?
What a terrible terrible loss. RIP Heath.   :'(
Souxi. xxxx
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: myprivatejack on January 23, 2008, 05:34:11 am
I knew the terrible news yesterday by night-timetable in Barcelona- and I went to bed crying. Now I´m at work where a co-worker of mine-who is a great Brokie; he told me about the movie much before its premiere and always has news,pictures and stuff...-didn´t know it still.He finished by crying and me too,so we told the other fellows that a friend of us has died.It´s not a complete lie,don´t you think?.

(http://cine.deambiente.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Heath%20Ledger.jpg)

WE´LL NEVER FORGET YOU.HEATH...I SWEAR.

RIDE UP TO THE STARS,COWBOYˇ
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 23, 2008, 05:48:39 am
I,ve just woken up to the most dreadful news here in the UK.

I am in Glasgow, Scotland.  It's 9.50 a.m. and I found out about 2 hours ago.  I've just been in the chat room, and I can't chat anymore.  I am absolutely gutted. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ennisjack on January 23, 2008, 06:09:13 am
Sure do hope I'm allowed to post this here. It's my ode to a very wonderful and talented actor who will be sorely missed as much as he was loved. It's not my best because I don't do things like this normally. I just felt compelled to do this one to show how I feel.

  This is dedicated to :                               Mr. Heath Ledger
                                                                   (1979-2008)
                                         You May Be Gone, But You Can Never Be Forgotten.


With hair of golden blond,
And eyes of deepest brown,
He soared as an eagle and never touched the ground.

His laughter was light and a blessing to hear,
His silences were deep and almost hard to bear.
He brought joy to many a life
He showed us a vision and things for which to strive.

He’ll sorely be missed,
Of that I’m very sure.
Though he was only human
His soul was whitely pure.

He was a hell of an actor,
Of that you can be sure.
Was loved by many
And hated by few.
His characters he brought to life
And rarely lowered his head in stife.

He was fire so clean and bright and pure
He was a one of a kind
He’d only been drenched in water one time
But only by a friend of the truest kind
A jokester to all, Jake was one for sure.

Matilda is a beautiful elf
He loved her more than life itself.
To leave her a t an age so young
Is something that can never be undone.

He will be back our way someday
It’s something for which we must hope and pray.

He touched our lives so very deep
And gave us secrets we swore to keep.

We will miss you deeply, Heath Ledger
For you’ve shown us that life can always be better.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: myprivatejack on January 23, 2008, 06:17:58 am
It´s beautiful and touching,Ennisjackˇ It´s what he deserves... :'(

Do you know?Now I´m thinking in Matilda,specially,and also in Michelle and Jake.She must have an awful time because-no matter what happenned between them-he´s her daughter´s father,and that´s forever.And Jake was a good friend,the man whom he gaves her daughter as a godfather; so I think he´s devastated right now but he will always lok after her as a duty for his friend.I´m crying,sorry...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Rayn on January 23, 2008, 06:35:20 am
we told the other fellows that a friend of us has died.It's not a complete lie,don't you think?.

No, it's not a complete lie.   For me, there was so much truth in the movie that the characters and actors  were like friends, even brothers... so, on an artistic level, it's true.  The movie and book had a greater impact on me than many past friends, actually.   And here I am again.  I got the news 8 hours ago. I 've done what I had to do today, but am still pretty low.  So, I'm going out to dinner soon to escape, but needed to come here again.  I still can hardly believe it.   I found another pic of him I really like so here's sharing it with all...  those rugged good looks and his intense spirit sure will be missed.



Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ennisjack on January 23, 2008, 07:02:56 am
It´s beautiful and touching,Ennisjackˇ It´s what he deserves... :'(

Do you know?Now I´m thinking in Matilda,specially,and also in Michelle and Jake.She must have an awful time because-no matter what happenned between them-he´s her daughter´s father,and that´s forever.And Jake was a good friend,the man whom he gaves her daughter as a godfather; so I think he´s devastated right now but he will always lok after her as a duty for his friend.I´m crying,sorry...

    Thank, myprivatejack. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. i almost cried just writing the thing, so, i'm happy that someone found it touching. van't really write worth a dang right now. take care.

EJ
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 23, 2008, 07:30:51 am
I have to start getting ready for work, but I literally didn't sleep at all. I woke up at three, and i did not fall asleep again for a minute. I am also even sadder now than I was last night.

I have been thinking about BBM, about that it somehow always gave me hope, that by realizing ones mistakes, it is possible to change and have a better life. But now, I just cannot separate the movie and Heath. I don't think it is possible to feel that message anymore now at all. I don't know how it will be possible to find hope in BBM knowing that Heath is gone.  BBM will be nothing but an unbearable tragedy, just a reminder and a memorial of a great talent and a beautiful soul whose life was far, far too short.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 23, 2008, 08:28:51 am


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT88jBAoVIM[/youtube]




[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U68vS9Xl14M[/youtube]


         thanks elle
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 23, 2008, 08:36:03 am
OMG.....OMG.....that song.......beautiful........
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 23, 2008, 08:38:37 am
Let Evening Come


Let the light of late afternoon
shine through chinks in the barn, moving
up the bales as the sun moves down.

Let the cricket take up chafing
as a woman takes up her needles
and her yarn. Let evening come.

Let dew collect on the hoe abandoned
in long grass. Let the stars appear
and the moon disclose her silver horn.

Let the fox go back to its sandy den.
Let the wind die down. Let the shed
go black inside. Let evening come.

To the bottle in the ditch, to the scoop
in the oats, to air in the lung
let evening come.

Let it come, as it will, and don't
be afraid. God does not leave us
comfortless, so let evening come.

Jane Kenyon
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 23, 2008, 08:52:04 am

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/heath3-1.jpg)
A sweet Aussie kid with such beautiful, sad, brown eyes.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 23, 2008, 09:39:16 am
For Heath, and for us, I offer this:


Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there; I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow,
I am the sun on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circling flight.
I am the soft starlight at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there; I did not die.

--Mary Frye
 



Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Dobie1018 on January 23, 2008, 09:58:09 am
These beautiful posts, poems and video songs are beautiful, but make me cry.  I am here at work with tears rolling down my cheeks, which isn't good.  I think I will have to wait a little longer to come back here, once this unbelievable tragedy has really sunk in. . . . . . :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 23, 2008, 10:12:40 am
   The cause of Heath’s death is all speculation right now, but I wonder if it was caused by an accidental, bad combination of meds, that they mixed together just wrong to stop his heart.  I'm reminded of the night before my grandfather died, how he was miserable but the doctors wouldn't give him anything stronger than a Tylenol because his blood pressure was already dangerously low and stronger meds would lower it even more and kill him. 

This reminds me. ...

I'm wondering/hoping there is truth to the report that he was ill with pneumonia. Why? A few years ago, someone I knew only casually--knew him to speak to him if I ran into him, though he had dated one of my club brothers--who was in the same age cohort as Heath, was ill with the flu. He had a lethal reaction to a combination of medications he was taking to relieve his flu symptoms. Right now I want to believe it was some unfortunate reaction to a combination of medications that killed Heath, and not a deliberate action.

The news was the lead story on our local NBC affiliate's 11:00 news broadcast Tuesday evening. Of course, they had to say that the authorities were saying "drugs" were involved, which really sucks because of course the uninformed will immediately assume that means "illegal drugs."

And now I have to get to work, because my life goes on as normal, even though Heath is dead. And that sorta sucks, too.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 23, 2008, 10:13:39 am
Reba recorded this song shortly after her touring crew was killed in a tragic plane crash.  Recently, Trisha Yearwood sang the song at a tribute for Reba.

Never miss the chance to say I love you.  Never miss the opportunity when it's given to you.  That's what Brokeback Mountain teaches us.  That's what Heath would want us to learn from his part in in this life changing story.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm7fshIogS8[/youtube]

If I Had Only Known

If I had only known
It was the last walk in the rain
I'd keep you out for hours in the storm
I would hold your hand
Like a lifeline to my heart
Underneath the thunder we'd be warm
If I had only known
It was our last walk in the rain

If I had only known
I'd never hear your voice again
I'd memorize each thing you ever said
And on those lonely nights
I could think of them once more
Keep your words alive inside my head
If I had only know
I'd never hear your voice again

You were the treasure in my hand
You were the one who always stood beside me
So unaware I foolishly believed
That you would always be there
But then there came a day
And I turned my head and you slipped away

If I had only known
It was my last night by your side
I'd pray a miracle would stop the dawn
And when you'd smile at me
I would look into your eyes
And make sure you knew my love
For you goes on and on
If I had only known
If I had only known
The love I would've shown
If I had only known
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 23, 2008, 10:15:11 am
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayke8v1_T2Q[/youtube]

Go Rest High On That Mountain

I know your life
On earth was troubled
And only you could know the pain
You weren't afraid to face the devil
You were no stranger to the rain

Go rest high on that mountain
Son, you work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin'
Love for the Father and Son

Oh, how we cried the day you left us
We gathered round your grave to grieve
I wish I could see the angels faces
When they hear your sweet voice sing

Go rest high on that mountain
Son, you work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin'
Love for the Father and Son
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: "Joseph Golden" on January 23, 2008, 10:15:46 am
Thanks for your poem it was beautiful, and the songs were great....

A new day and the world is half empty. If only this nightmare would end, we would wake up and the world would be back the way its meant to be. With Heath in it.  But it wont.

I decided i hate the world.

I hate the fact Brokeback Mountain took 7 years to make.
I hate that Jack Twist died.
I hate the fact Brokeback Mountain did'nt win best picture.
I hate that Heath Didnt win best actor.
I hate that Australian Paparazzi attacked Heath with water guns.
I hate that Heath was forced to sell his home.
I hate that even after the efforts of Brokeback Mountain the Gay and Lesbian community is still being victimized.
I hate that Heath Ledger died.
I hate i never meant him.
I hate what his family and friends is going though.
I hate that Matilda will never meet her Dad.
I hate the paramedics couldn't revive him.
I hate knowing Heath died alone in his bed.
I hate the last image i will always have of Heath is him being chucked in the back of a car in a black morbid body bag
I hate the 22nd of January
I hate waking up to the first day without Heath.
I hate crying.
But most of all I hate knowing I'll never see Heath in another film.
I hate a world without Heath.

I hate...............
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Artiste on January 23, 2008, 10:30:21 am
Sure, we continue our sadness... and we know too that Heath wanted happiness for himself  and for all of us too!!

We can all see Heath in Brokeback Mountain, to-day and, especially in our tomorrows.

Ledger wanted to do Ennis.

WE all think that he loved acting Ennis!!

We all love him for it!

It is endearing and so was he, our Ennis!

Hugs!       
Thanks Heath, our Ennis forever!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 23, 2008, 10:40:29 am
Sure, we continue our sadness... and we know too that Heath wanted happiness for himself  and for all of us too!!

We can all see Heath in Brokeback Mountain, to-day and, especially in our tomorrows.

Ledger wanted to do Ennis.

WE all think that he loved acting Ennis!!

We all love him for it!

It is endearing and so was he, our Ennis!

Hugs!       
Thanks Heath, our Ennis forever!!
You may not say much but you get your point across.
That was beautifully put friend!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 23, 2008, 10:44:15 am
I love you, baby. I am near breakdown. I feel like the life withered from me. and then suddenly the pain attacks me and I start uncontrollably crying.

I love you, I am so sad that it was you. You were my sun, my angel. I wouldn't be grieving Jake that much, I know that.

I will be sad forever, this board is sad. And you are now finally sleeping baby.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Toast on January 23, 2008, 10:44:45 am
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/nltoast/Mountains.jpg)

Thank You Scott.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kd5000 on January 23, 2008, 11:08:46 am
Well I hope he's buried in Australia. I believe his father was speaking from PERTH, Australia.  There are all kinds of postings on IMDB.com that the Westboro Baptist Chucho out of Kansas will have a protest at his funeral for being in BBM.  I figure they can't afford a plane ticket to Perth.

It's possible he mixed prescribed sleeping pills with something he bought over the counter to help you sleep.  I can't believe it's suicide.  The media just loves to report how his "nude body" was found at the edge of the bed. Wouldn't that make the accident theory more likely. Who wants to be found in the nude???  I suppose we will get a toxicology report out to see what was in his system.

A loss for cinema  and great loss for the Bettermost community.

I'd like to send some sort of card, but I have a difficult time writing a sympathy cards.  And I don't want to send it to his talent agency as they'd just soon throw it away...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 23, 2008, 11:19:52 am


          http://www.legacy.com/SFGate/GB/GuestBookSaveEntry.aspx?PersonId=101716459


                       guest book for heath
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sheriff Roland on January 23, 2008, 11:51:19 am

Kinda angelic image, doncha think?

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/roboy-0/Brokeback/Heath006.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Dobie1018 on January 23, 2008, 12:03:22 pm
What a beautiful picture Sheriff Roland.  It does look very angelic. :'(    What is it from?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sheriff Roland on January 23, 2008, 12:05:04 pm
What a beautiful picture Sheriff Roland.  It does look very angelic. :'(    What is it from?

Dunno

Just found it on a blog I check out daily. Was posted in tribute to Heath's passing ...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: dot-matrix on January 23, 2008, 12:18:16 pm
I believe that one is from "The Four Feathers"
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 23, 2008, 01:02:07 pm
Jeff, I really hope that the bad combination of medications is the reason. Deaths of young celebrities often get turned into some kind of sick morality lesson by the media. "Naked in bed" and "pills" have the kind of sleezy ring that the media loves, but they could very well mean that someone was sick and couldn't sleep, and took some prescribed medication to help, and took off his clothes because he prefers to sleep naked.

If there has to be a lesson in death, I would rather have it be something like: "make sure your doctor and pharmacist know all the medications you are taking, and follow the instructions on the prescription." Less attention-getting, perhaps, though.

And really, I would rather there not be a death at all.......

Dammit.

 :( :'(

(PS Hi Meryl and FR and Ellemeno. Thanks for the welcomes back. ((((((((hugs))))))) )
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 23, 2008, 01:06:48 pm
Hey {{{Mel.}}} The only non-awful thing in all this is the chance to see old friends, even if under such awful circumstances. I'm so thankful that we all have a place to get together when we need it.

 :'(


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 23, 2008, 01:07:58 pm
I'll always remember the first time I saw Heath.  It was in a Knight's Tale and I remember thinking how brave he was.  There were some fairly embarrassing parts in that film and I remember thinking "what an actor."  I then saw him in The Patriot and although I had to swallow my hatred towards a few others in that film I remember Heath most of all.  I remember feeling so down when he died in the film.  I never actually thought that it would ever happen in real life though. 

The first time I heard about Brokeback Mountain, god that was almost 3 years ago I thought "what Hollywood actors are going to be brave enough and mature enough to play roles such as these."  This was before Heath and Jake had signed on to the film.  When I heard that Heath was going to play the lead role I was pleasantly surprised.  I remember thinking how brave he was and I knew he would do the role justice.  And boy did he. 

As much as I hate to say this and I hope no one takes this offensively but perhaps he's in a better place now.  I just wish him all the happiness that he can possibly find.  I sympathize for his parents, siblings, daughter and Michelle.  And I sympathize everyone who is struggling with this right now, whether they be a former co-star, childhood friend, former love interest or a few truly caring individuals who are in love with his work and have devoted the last 2 years to an online community. 
Heath will live in our hearts forever just as BBM does.  Try not to remember him for the negative but focus on the positive.  Focus on how real he was.  How inspirational he was.  Heath has touched the souls of every person on this site in one way or another. 

So please...try to dry your tears and take part in a moment of silence...death is not the end.  It's just another part of the journey. 

“I'm still a kid. I'm like six years old. But it's just a matter of wanting to get up, it's just a big journey. I felt like when I left home that I was on a journey, and I still am.”

(http://www.popmatters.com/film/reviews/k/images/knights-tale.jpg)

(http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/entertainment/1301_ledger_a.jpg)

(http://www.batman-movie-buzz.com/uploads/uploadForumPhotos/medium_Batman%20-%20The%20Joker-d3xjfbwm.jpg)

(http://film.onet.pl/_i/news/duze/h/heath_ledger_2.jpg)
1979 - ETERNITY
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mariez on January 23, 2008, 01:11:09 pm
This is the best place to be right now.

I'm holed up in my office with the door closed.  I don't want to talk to anyone, and I don't feel like doing anything.  I know everyone is wondering what's wrong with me.   The world is different now.  And I keep wondering why everything doesn't feel so different to everyone else.  Except for here - where everyone understands.   

Marie
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: ednbarby on January 23, 2008, 01:16:59 pm
I wonder if he was hoping for another nomination for his role in "I'm Not There" and then the nominations were announced today, and he wasn't nominated... :(
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And to that, "Damn you Heath!"  >:(   I'm sorry things were so bad that it came to this.  Maybe if you woulda just waited for that massage you would have felt better afterwards.  You were extremely talented and I loved ALL your movies you acted in.  I especially liked you as Jacob in The Brothers Grimm.  If you did this purposely, I can't say I respect that.  But putting myself in your shoes, I can understand the extreme amount of pressure you must have been under right at the moment.  Break up with Michelle.  Everyone ravin' about your performance in Batman.  But mostly only being remembered for Brokeback Mountain.  No Oscar nomination for I'm Not There.  I don't know what you were thinking or what pressure you were under really.  I'm just trying to put myself in your shoes.

To that, like others said, he might be iconic like James Dean now.  Now maybe more folks will seek out his films to watch and be more appreciative of his roles and acting abilites.  Maybe more folks will seek out Brokeback Mountain, and apprieciate it more now than before.  I hate that it's a two-edged sword.  You didn't need to die.  :'(


I don't think how he felt had anything to do with not getting another Oscar nomination.  I don't think he was about accolades at all - he always seemed almost befuddled by all the accolades for his Ennis.

And I think that if his death was not accidental, it wasn't just about splitting up with Michelle or being messed up from playing the Joker like he did or all the pressures on him, or even a combination of all those things.  There is really just one reason people commit suicide, and that is because they are clinically depressed or bipolar.

If it is somehow determined that he did take his own life, my heartbreak for him is that he endured the agony of the depression that led to it.  Beyond serious physical injury or disease, there is nothing more devastating.  I know.  I seriously considered taking my own life when my son was six weeks old.  The post-partum depression I had was so severe, I was consumed with thoughts of incompetency in every area in life, and guilt.  The thought of living out the rest of my days feeling that way was excruciating.  I was exhausted from caring for a newborn, sure, but my dear husband did all the night feedings so I could get some sleep at night.  And yet I couldn't sleep.  Some people with depression just sleep all the time - I was on the opposite end of the spectrum.  I wished for sleep desperately, but none came.  When you're seriously depressed or bipolar, you do not have rational thoughts like, "Jesus, I'm really fucked up.  I need to get some help."  You believe that the way you feel is normal for you and permanent.  The only way you can get help, often, is if someone else notices and forces you to.  Thank God someone did both of things in my case, and that someone was not my own husband, but my OB-GYN.  I nearly walked out into the ocean one day and let it swallow me up.  The only thing that kept me from doing it was some tiny shred of my previous self somewhere inside me who screamed "NO!!!" at the top of her lungs.  The next day, I went to my OB-GYN for a follow up, and she proceeded to save my life from that point forward.

I used to think people who committed suicide were incredibly selfish cowards.  My mother attempted it with sleeping pills when I was 12, and I hated her for it for a long time.  I never fully forgave her until I truly understood what she must have gone through.  I regret that I didn't truly understand until she'd been gone for 10 years, and I'll regret that I didn't forgive her in time for the rest of my life.

It always seems unfathomable to people that someone with a beautiful child and a seemingly charmed life could be suicidal.  But it isn't circumstances alone that bring it on.  It is a severe chemical imbalance in the brain that makes thoughts like "My son/daughter/family/friends would be better off without me" seem completely rational.  It also makes the thought of living a life drained of all hope unbearable.  It is a waking death.

If this is true of Heath, my heart hurts so much to think of how he must have been feeling in the end, because I know.  It isn't any less tragic than if it was indeed an accidental overdose, because in both cases, it was preventable.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 23, 2008, 01:26:15 pm
To say that this is not affecting me very strongly would be telling an incredibly large lie. I actually overslept this morning which is the first time I have done that in years. I woke up after 8am which is 3 hours later than I am supposed to get up at 5am. And it was a miracle that I woke up then cause I felt so tired. I am not even a late sleeper and I always wake up before 8 even when I am off work and even when I have stayed up until the wee hours of the morning. I didn't think about Heath's passing at first. I was so busy trying to get to work at least only 2 hours late. I know I was thinking about why I felt so bad and then it dawned on me that this had not been a nightmare. That was reinforced when the radio informed me that the cause of Heath Ledger's death had still not been confirmed.

So I am at work performing my usual duties, but all the while realizing that I have lost someone who was very important to me. There is no doubt a void within me. And I realize that absolutely nobody here where I work with is affected in the least by Heath's passing. If they even know I would be surprised. I might even be surprised if they knew who he was. If so the biggest thing they might say is that it is a shame for someone to die so young. I'm sure I could get them to know he was if I said he was one of the gay cowboys. The sad thing is that would make them care even less about Heath's passing. Britney's latest driving attempt or her forgotten panties would be a bigger news event to them.

So yeah I am alone with all these thoughts and feelings, but I do know that all of you are out there feeling the same way as I feel. That helps. That helps VERY much.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 01:42:59 pm
{{{Jack}}}

My dear friend. I'm so in the same place you are. Nobody around me cares. They would think I'm silly if they knew how much I care.
My husband and Kerstin were being nice to me because they both know part of it. They're both shaking their heads in disbelieve; they care too. But yet, even they don't know all of it.
I'm so grateful for our community.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 01:45:13 pm
{{{Mel}}} and {{{Barb}}}

What Katherine said: the only non-awful thing is you being here. And all other Brokies.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 23, 2008, 01:50:56 pm
Oh no, is it still true.  :(

Lynne came over last night, which was wonderful.  And we talked and caught up, then had about 4 oz. of whiskey on shares in my little metal blue-speckled enamelware cups, and some Coffee Heath Bar Crunch ice cream, while we companionably joined chat here on our respective laptops.

It was great and natural having her.  Until the time I had the thought, dang, it will always be true that the first time Lynne came to my house was for this.  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 23, 2008, 01:53:41 pm
Hey {{{Barb}}}.

 :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 23, 2008, 01:59:14 pm
I just realized that I'm wearing BBM grieving clothes: a black camisole hidden (always hidden) beneath a blue sweater and tan pants.

I know that Heath was his own person, but I don't know that person... so my grief is tied with the character he played.

(((((Chrissie and Katherine)))))
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 23, 2008, 02:01:17 pm
I have to consider myself very lucky.  

I have received many calls and emails from non-Brokie friends sending their condolences.

I'm a pretty "out" Brokie; even at work, everyone is asking if I'm OK. "I heard about Heath--I thought of you right away."   I just have to try to keep my composure at work.  

I can't/won't watch TV
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 23, 2008, 02:02:23 pm
I have to consider myself very lucky.  

I have received many calls and emails from non-Brokie friends sending their condolences.

I'm a pretty "out" Brokie; even at work, everyone is asking if I'm OK. "I heard about Heath--I thought of you right away."   I just have to try to keep my composure at work.  

I can't/won't watch TV



{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Paul}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 23, 2008, 02:07:34 pm
Quote from: ForgottenSpirit
I sympathize for his parents, siblings, daughter and Michelle.  And I sympathize everyone who is struggling with this right now, whether they be a former co-star, childhood friend, former love interest or a few truly caring individuals who are in love with his work and have devoted the last 2 years to an online community.
Heath will live in our hearts forever just as BBM does.  Try not to remember him for the negative but focus on the positive.  Focus on how real he was.  How inspirational he was.  Heath has touched the souls of every person on this site in one way or another.

Your whole post was full of wonderful words, ForgottenSpirit.  It's sure nice to have you here . . .  I just wish the circumstances were better . . .
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 23, 2008, 02:10:33 pm
This was such a terrible shock. It makes what Heath gave us in BBM all the more precious.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 02:11:57 pm
{{{Scott}}} and {{{Paul}}}

God, it seems so lame to just put some brackets around your names on the computer.
But it's not. It's the best we can do for each other at the moment. Still, I wish I could give you a real hug, and receive some as well.

 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on January 23, 2008, 02:12:14 pm
This is the best place to be right now.

I'm holed up in my office with the door closed.  I don't want to talk to anyone, and I don't feel like doing anything.  I know everyone is wondering what's wrong with me.   The world is different now.  And I keep wondering why everything doesn't feel so different to everyone else.  Except for here - where everyone understands.   

Marie

I know. (((Marie))) I see the people at work walking by doing what they do everyday and they haven't got a clue. Being a brokie never caused me this much pain. But I'll be forever grateful for Ennis.

I'm glad I'm here.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Wishes on January 23, 2008, 02:13:57 pm

I know that Heath was his own person, but I don't know that person... so my grief is tied with the character he played.


It's such a tragic loss of a young life.

I agree with what you say here though. It is like losing Ennis. And because I relate so much to him, it's like a distant friend gone. But always there in the movie.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: oilgun on January 23, 2008, 02:17:38 pm
I have to consider myself very lucky.  

I have received many calls and emails from non-Brokie friends sending their condolences.

I'm a pretty "out" Brokie; even at work, everyone is asking if I'm OK. "I heard about Heath--I thought of you right away."   I just have to try to keep my composure at work.  

I can't/won't watch TV

I'm an "out" brokie as well and everyone knows I love Heath and I have to say that the people I work with were amazingly sensitive and supportive today, offering hugs and everything. Some said that they could relate because they went through a similar grieving process when Princess Diana was killed.  Anyway, it really helped.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on January 23, 2008, 02:21:12 pm
I have to consider myself very lucky. 

I have received many calls and emails from non-Brokie friends sending their condolences.

I'm a pretty "out" Brokie; even at work, everyone is asking if I'm OK. "I heard about Heath--I thought of you right away."   I just have to try to keep my composure at work. 

I can't/won't watch TV

I'm an "out" brokie as well and everyone knows I love Heath and I have to say that the people I work with were amazingly sensitive and supportive today, offering hugs and everything. Some said that they could relate because they went through a similar grieving process when Princess Diana was killed.  Anyway, it really helped.

You're both very lucky indeed.

hugs to both of you.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 23, 2008, 02:24:09 pm
I just wanted to share some thoughts about the black bag.  It was an object with the shell that had previously housed Heath.  At the time the stretcher left the house, Heath had already left his body - he wasn't there, he wasn't in that bag.  His physical form is something that we grieve over, but it isn't him.

That is what I think, at least.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 23, 2008, 03:28:36 pm
If there has to be a lesson in death, I would rather have it be something like: "make sure your doctor and pharmacist know all the medications you are taking, and follow the instructions on the prescription." Less attention-getting, perhaps, though.

Agreed.

Sorry it had to be such a sad occasion to bring you back to us, Friend. You've been missed.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 23, 2008, 03:30:28 pm
"Where is the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
They have passed like rain on the Mountain,
like wind in the meadow.
The days have gone down in the West
behind the hills into shadow.

How did it come to this?"


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The poem is by JRR Tolkien in Lord of the Rings, as distilled by Peter Jackson. I thought it was very fitting for my emotions just now.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:31:11 pm
I made the same mistake. It was disgusting to see how insensitive some people can be on an anonymous IMDb board. Truly wretched.

God bless BetterMost. I love you guys. Heath, I'll miss you so much; I've never experienced this from a movie in my life. I wish I'd had the opportunity to meet you and tell you in person.

Yup, me too, as I can't get on here at work but CAN get on IMDB. Although to be fair there are 99 times more people devastaed.

You know, I've been thinking, what would Heath make of this? It's all I've heard or seen in the news all day - we all know how much he hated being in the limelight. Do you think he's happy to see people mourning or embarassed and wanting everyone to stop?

I still can't believe it. So sad. :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2008, 03:32:24 pm
I just wanted to share some thoughts about the black bag.  It was an object with the shell that had previously housed Heath.  At the time the stretcher left the house, Heath had already left his body - he wasn't there, he wasn't in that bag.  His physical form is something that we grieve over, but it isn't him.

That is what I think, at least.

I agree, Bel. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 23, 2008, 03:34:07 pm
I was exhausted from caring for a newborn, sure, but my dear husband did all the night feedings so I could get some sleep at night.  And yet I couldn't sleep.  Some people with depression just sleep all the time - I was on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Well, we've certainly been hearing that Heath was having trouble sleeping. Insomnia must be a horrible thing.  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 23, 2008, 03:34:13 pm
"Where is the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
They have passed like rain on the Mountain,
like wind in the meadow.
The days have gone down in the West
behind the hills into shadow.

How did it come to this?"


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The poem is by JRR Tolkien in Lord of the Rings, as distilled by Peter Jackson. I thought it was very fitting for my emotions just now.

That's perfect!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:34:43 pm
Heath is the lead story on Anderson Cooper tongight on CNN. I just can't bear to watch, but I cannot not watch either.  This is still so unreal and terrible and horrilbe and awful and unbearable.

I know what you mean Cameron - I have the same feeling - it was the same with the Tsunami - I was just glues to the tv - even though I didn't want to be. The radio station I listen to in the morning - Chris Moyles on BBC Radio 1 (I believe its on a pay per hear radio channel in the USA) was talking about it - now normally Chris is a joker but he was quite sad this morning and was saying how he saw the news but that he couldn't tuen it off. He was saying that they said ' they're just bringing the body out' and he was like I don't want to see this - yet he didn't switch over.

I've just been looking up stuff as much as I can today  chekcing the news every 10mins for any updates....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:37:52 pm
I have so many thoughts and things I want to say, I have no idea where to begin or how to write 'em all down.  So I'm just going to ramble and probably not make sense:

I wonder if he was hoping for another nomination for his role in "I'm Not There" and then the nominations were announced today, and he wasn't nominated... :(


I was wondering - can he possibly get nominated for the batman movie?

It makes me mad - at the time of him not getting the best actor award everyone was like - but people have to do a few films before they get it - he'll get awarded for BBM in a couplemof years for another role - just like Phillip Seymor Hoffman did that year.

Now he's not getting that chance.  >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:38:54 pm
They're reporting that Heath's mom and dad heard of his death on the news.

Sigh...

Shit. Thats hard.

That was my one worry.  That family, Michelle etc would find out that way. I knew 90mins wasn't long enough for them to know before it was  all over the news. :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:40:37 pm
Thanks, Flash. I sure hope it's true, and the medical examiner can prove it, so we're not left with some space between what we know, and what we want to believe.  :'(

And now I think I need a drink.  :(

Can they though - I mean an accidental overdose won;t look different medically than an intended overdose, no? I suppose if he's just got enough medicine in his body to kill him, rather than lots and lots, thats a good indication.

Leslie, Wishes and any other nurses - can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: louisev on January 23, 2008, 03:44:30 pm
I am not a medical person but I have been on the intimate side with some intentional overdoses, one with a friend and another with a family member.  One of the characteristics of suicidal overdoses is that the suicide usually leaves a note, makes a goodbye gesture, and also ingests a huge amount of medicine, often an entire bottle, to make sure they die and can't be resuscitated.  An accidental death would be more likely to be a medication reaction from more than one drug or a "just enough" situation.  Heroin is often a cause of accidental overdose because its potency can be quite variable, so that the user would take what they think is enough to get high, and if they get a much purer product than they are used to, it kills them.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2008, 03:45:04 pm
Yup, me too, as I can't get on here at work but CAN get on IMDB. Although to be fair there are 99 times more people devastaed.

You know, I've been thinking, what would Heath make of this? It's all I've heard or seen in the news all day - we all know how much he hated being in the limelight. Do you think he's happy to see people mourning or embarassed and wanting everyone to stop?

I still can't believe it. So sad. :(

I've looked at comments on some public sites: the New York Times, TMZ.com, ABC news...and I can believe some of the insensitive comments people post. I am stunned (and not in a good way).

Thank God we have Bettermost!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:45:30 pm
Matilda will never conciously know her daddy. She will not remember him. Poor Matilda. Poor Michelle. And all his family.

But one conccellation - there are so many pap pics of her with her daddy and with her daddy and mummy and her mummy and daddy together - book loads. These will dissapear over time I'm sure - by the time she goes to try and collect them many will have dissapeared from websites. I hope someone close has the hindsight to collect all these lovely pap photos.

Yes, paps can be the deveil, but in this case they've recorded what a doting father he was - matilda will be able to see that from the photos.


Where I found out - I came home from my band practice - Callum had stuck the computer on from me - just had made a cuppa and was just checking here before heading to bed. And there was the start fo the he's dead? threads. I initially thought it was a troll and was going to zap it with my mod privelidges.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2008, 03:46:37 pm
Shit. Thats hard.

That was my one worry.  That family, Michelle etc would find out that way. I knew 90mins wasn't long enough for them to know before it was  all over the news. :'(

It sounds like Michelle was informed by someone, ie, told personally. She was at her hotel in Sweden and they said it was "late in the evening" when she found out. Somehow, I didn't get the sense she was flipping through the channels on Swedish TV.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 23, 2008, 03:47:36 pm
I've just been looking up stuff as much as I can today  chekcing the news every 10mins for any updates....

I'm doing the same. One problem is I feel I already know so much about his life and career that the background stuff isn't very informative -- I want new developments. And quotes from other actors saying what a great actor/guy he was are only semi-satisfying.

I've looked at comments on some public sites: the New York Times, TMZ.com, ABC news...and I can believe some of the insensitive comments people post. I am stunned (and not in a good way).

Thank God we have Bettermost!

You can say that again. Though I wonder if this will cause a lot of people who previously hadn't seen BBM to watch it, spawning a whole new generation of Brokies.

I'm thinking of people who never got around to watching it because they just didn't realize how good it is, now will hear all these accolades and realize, hunh, maybe it's worth taking a look.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 23, 2008, 03:48:28 pm
I'm sure the NYPD made sure to make the proper notifications before this got released to the press.  That's pretty standard procedure.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:51:07 pm

·   I don't want Heath to join the ranks of James Dean and Marilyn Monroe and Janis Joplin and all the other celebrities who died too young.  I don't want him to be remembered by much of the world as that actor guy who died at 28.  I don't want him to be more famous dead than alive.  I don't want him to have the “cache,” or whatever you call it, of dying young. 


Is it wrong for me to say I do? I want some sort of recognition in years from now of how good he was...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 03:54:17 pm
I am in Glasgow, Scotland.  It's 9.50 a.m. and I found out about 2 hours ago.  I've just been in the chat room, and I can't chat anymore.  I am absolutely gutted. 

Sandy - I'm in Glasgow too. Funnily enough - I just checked your profile - and you joined Bettermost on my birthday. How you doing? Hugs from not to far away...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 23, 2008, 03:58:05 pm
Is it wrong for me to say I do? I want some sort of recognition in years from now of how good he was...

No I understand exactly what you mean.  Jimmy Dean and Marilyn Monroe aren't really remembered for there problems with drugs and such.  I don't know...when I think Marilyn Monroe I think Some Like It Hot...not her reputation for drugs and how she passed.  
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Scott6373 on January 23, 2008, 04:02:09 pm
No I understand exactly what you mean.  Jimmy Dean and Marilyn Monroe aren't really remembered for there problems with drugs and such.  I don't know...when I think Marilyn Monroe I think Some Like It Hot...not her reputation for drugs and how she passed.  

The hideously sad part is that this is so common now, that I fear he will fall into the pantheon of troubled and talented people who died too young.  He deserves more than that.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 04:03:20 pm
No I understand exactly what you mean.  Jimmy Dean and Marilyn Monroe aren't really remembered for there problems with drugs and such.  I don't know...when I think Marilyn Monroe I think Some Like It Hot...not her reputation for drugs and how she passed. 

welcome forgotten spirit - nice to see you even in this sad time.

Also - people saying that he was naked. It reminds me of the jumping off the cliff scene - so happy  :) -  and I can imagine in real life he was very much a walk about the house naked type of guy - I dont think that add a thing to the issues of him dying.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 23, 2008, 04:04:02 pm
The hideously sad part is that this is so common now, that I fear he will fall into the pantheon of troubled and talented people who died too young.  He deserves more than that.

Young Hollywood...so complicated. 

In all honesty I expected Britney to go long before Heath...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 23, 2008, 04:08:03 pm
welcome forgotten spirit - nice to see you even in this sad time.

Also - people saying that he was naked. It reminds me of the jumping off the cliff scene - so happy  :) -  and I can imagine in real life he was very much a walk about the house naked type of guy - I dont think that add a thing to the issues of him dying.

Thank you.  It's nice to be here.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Oregondoggie on January 23, 2008, 04:15:30 pm
Had these thoughts last night...

To wherever souls go, 
To whatever pastures lie in the mountains of Heaven,
a full loving moon guides our Heath tonight. 

Eternal joy, Dear Soul...
 
Your Ennis Del Mar gave courage to so many, freed so many hearts from fear.   

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 04:17:16 pm
Young Hollywood...so complicated. 

In all honesty I expected Britney to go long before Heath...

yeah if I had read that on the news last night - I wouldn't have been surprised at all.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on January 23, 2008, 04:27:53 pm
The words of Oregondoggie:

To wherever souls go, 
To whatever pastures lie in the mountains of Heaven,
a full loving moon guides our Heath tonight. 

Eternal joy, Dear Soul...
 
Your Ennis Del Mar gave courage to so many, freed so many hearts from fear.   


Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 23, 2008, 04:50:30 pm
I was wondering - can he possibly get nominated for the batman movie?
I'm pretty sure that he cannot be nominated for or receive an Academy Award posthumously. The nomination he did receive for Brokeback Mountain was a well-deserved honor and a real achievement, even though he didn't win.

Of course, Jake is still here (and Michelle too, for that matter) to carry the overdue-award torch forward in their own careers.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on January 23, 2008, 04:52:54 pm
I'm pretty sure that he cannot be nominated for or receive an Academy Award posthumously. The nomination he did receive for Brokeback Mountain was a well-deserved honor and a real achievement, even though he didn't win.

Of course, Jake is still here (and Michelle too, for that matter) to carry the overdue-award torch forward in their own careers.

Sure he could.

Peter Finch won a posthumous Oscar for "Network".
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: ednbarby on January 23, 2008, 04:53:35 pm
In any event, I'd like to tell you about something I heard while I was in the hospital for depression.  A staff member told us in our group therapy session one day that perhaps we should do away with the word suicide because it implies a sense of guilt.  He went on to say that we don't blame a person for dying of cancer, or any other disease, and the people who commit suicid have succumbed to a disease.  They died of depression.

Hugs to all.  Hang in there.  And remember that it'll get better.

Thanks, Gary.  Hugs to you, too.

And this is exactly what I was trying to say - that if Heath's death was not accidental, it should be said that he died of depression, not of suicide.  I actually tell people close to me (and you all are, so I'll tell you, too) that my mother died of depression.  While she didn't succeed at taking her own life when I was 12, and she went into rehab for alcoholism shortly thereafter and was clean and sober for the rest of her life, she replaced one addiction with a couple of others - smoking and overeating.  She never did get proper treatment for her depression - back in the 70s and 80s when she tried, there was no such thing as SSRIs, and the pills that were available just made her as much of a zombie as the alcohol did.

My wish for Heath, like many (if not all) of yours here, is that it was a heart attack or a stroke, or even - though it would be that much more tragic - accidental overdose or a lethal interaction between prescribed drugs.  Mostly because I hate the thought of anyone suffering from depression - I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, let alone someone I admired and respected like Heath.  But also because I hate the thought of him forever being stigmatized by ignorant people who don't realize that it's the depression that kills, not some weakness or selfishness or other character flaw.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: bbm_stitchbuffyfan on January 23, 2008, 04:53:55 pm
My parents told me someone who died and that it's something I won't want it to hear. I expected it to be Britney (I am fan of hers), but when I saw "Heath Ledger 1979-2008" I was mortified.

I felt really numb after that, and I couldn't muster anything to say about it. I went back and looked through all my Brokeback Mountain pictures. And I cried myself to sleep.

I didn't expect this. I had no idea. I wish it never happened, and it's so hard to accept the fact that he's dead.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 23, 2008, 04:55:47 pm
Peter Finch won a posthumous Oscar for "Network".
I stand corrected. Do you know if Finch was also nominated posthumously?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 23, 2008, 05:04:09 pm
I stand corrected. Do you know if Finch was also nominated posthumously?

Peter Finch died on January 14, 1977. If the timing then is similar to the timing today, it would mean he died about a week before the nominations were announced. He died of a heart attack so his death wasn't expected. It is likely that the Academy knew of his nomination at the time of his death but didn't change it.

With Heath, it would be a very different situation since the movie hasn't even come out yet. But it still might be possible.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 23, 2008, 05:09:13 pm
I got a call from Meryl and John a couple of hours ago.  They were at 421 Broome Street.  Here are two pics John took there.


Hm, I haven't gotten them to load to Photobucket yet.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 05:15:23 pm
My parents told me someone who died and that it's something I won't want it to hear. I expected it to be Britney (I am fan of hers), but when I saw "Heath Ledger 1979-2008" I was mortified.

I felt really numb after that, and I couldn't muster anything to say about it. I went back and looked through all my Brokeback Mountain pictures. And I cried myself to sleep.

I didn't expect this. I had no idea. I wish it never happened, and it's so hard to accept the fact that he's dead.

Hi Stitchy... longtime no see - good to see you even in these horrible times

xx
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 23, 2008, 05:23:43 pm
I'm pretty sure that he cannot be nominated for or receive an Academy Award posthumously.


I don't have or know the official Academy Awards rules, but to my knowledge, there is not an official rule that one cannot receive a posthumous nomination or award in the general categories.  They may not be terribly keen on it, but I don't think it's forbidden.  James Dean was nominated posthumously for both "Giant" and "East of Eden." 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 23, 2008, 05:23:52 pm
I'm pretty sure that he cannot be nominated for or receive an Academy Award posthumously. The nomination he did receive for Brokeback Mountain was a well-deserved honor and a real achievement, even though he didn't win.

Of course, Jake is still here (and Michelle too, for that matter) to carry the overdue-award torch forward in their own careers.

I'm a bit of an Oscar guru..there are only a few categories that state that a person cannot be voted post-humously.  Honorary Oscars being one of them. 

However the Academy is reluctant to vote a deceased individual because they believe that it should affect the career of the artist. 

Peter Finch is the only actor to ever win an award post-humously (his wife accepted it for him) however many writers and composers have done so.  Bernard Herrman was awarded for Citizen Kane and Sidney Howard who wrote Gone with the Wind also won after he had died.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 23, 2008, 05:27:18 pm
Sure he could.

I would think that at the very least they would do some kind of tribute, outside of the usual montage they do of celebrities who've died during the previous year. I mean, big stars die every year, but usually not stars who are so young, so active, and so much at the height of popularity.

That is, if there are writers and if there's a ceremony.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 23, 2008, 05:35:18 pm
I would think that at the very least they would do some kind of tribute, outside of the usual montage they do of celebrities who've died during the previous year. I mean, big stars die every year, but usually not stars who are so young, so active, and so much at the height of popularity.

That is, if there are writers and if there's a ceremony.



God I would hope that they would at least mention it outside of the usual montage since it happened so close to the ceremony.  Even if they just took part in a moment of silence...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 05:41:25 pm
Welcome to Bettermost Forgotten Spirit! I'm sorry it is on such a sad occasion, but we sure are glad you're here with us! :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 23, 2008, 05:46:35 pm
Welcome to Bettermost Forgotten Spirit! I'm sorry it is on such a sad occasion, but we sure are glad you're here with us! :)

Thanks David...I'm Ben by the way...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 23, 2008, 05:51:07 pm
Welcome to Bettermost Ben! ;) :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 23, 2008, 05:58:47 pm
I thought driving home from work today about the finality of Heath's death. In Brokeback, Jack's death was final, but not in the same way. I can't hardly describe how I feel each time I see the movie and Ennis gets the postcard back with "Deceased" on it. However, in some ways, it never seemed like it had to be final. I always thought well maybe Jack did not really die. Maybe he is actually out there somewhere. I always thought I could write another chapter where Jack was still alive. There was always a chance. However, with Heath's death there is no chance, there is no possibility, it is final. Who knew whether or not there could be a sequel where Jack and Ennis did have that ranch. Now it can never be for sure. There's no question about it. It is over. Heath is gone and with him he took Ennis. Jack was gone at the end of Brokeback, but Jake lives on thankfully. In my mind, Brokeback has come to a final end. And I just don't know exactly what to do or how to handle that.

I keep reading how much Heath was affected by playing the Joker. I have read a whole lot about how he put himself into the character of Ennis. It seems that Heath loved Ennis, but hated the Joker with the same intensity. The Joker's character was so opposite of Heath's true character that I feel he truly had a hard time handling it. I saw something on TV where Heath was talking about what a truly despicable character the Joker was.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 23, 2008, 06:01:07 pm
I know what you mean Cameron - I have the same feeling - it was the same with the Tsunami - I was just glues to the tv - even though I didn't want to be. The radio station I listen to in the morning - Chris Moyles on BBC Radio 1 (I believe its on a pay per hear radio channel in the USA) was talking about it - now normally Chris is a joker but he was quite sad this morning and was saying how he saw the news but that he couldn't tuen it off. He was saying that they said ' they're just bringing the body out' and he was like I don't want to see this - yet he didn't switch over.

I've just been looking up stuff as much as I can today  chekcing the news every 10mins for any updates....

I got a conversation on a station I don't usually have programmed... it was two a guys and a girl.  Having a nice, very valid, appropriate conversation about Heath.  No speculation, just comments about shock and sadness, kind of like on here.  It was nice.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 23, 2008, 06:03:39 pm
I'm sure the NYPD made sure to make the proper notifications before this got released to the press.  That's pretty standard procedure.

is it?  I wasn't sure 30 minutes would be enough time...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 23, 2008, 06:11:13 pm
I thought driving home from work today about the finality of Heath's death. In Brokeback, Jack's death was final, but not in the same way. I can't hardly describe how I feel each time I see the movie and Ennis gets the postcard back with "Deceased" on it. However, in some ways, it never seemed like it had to be final. I always thought well maybe Jack did not really die. Maybe he is actually out there somewhere. I always thought I could write another chapter where Jack was still alive. There was always a chance. However, with Heath's death there is no chance, there is no possibility, it is final. Who knew whether or not there could be a sequel where Jack and Ennis did have that ranch. Now it can never be for sure. There's no question about it. It is over. Heath is gone and with him he took Ennis. Jack was gone at the end of Brokeback, but Jake lives on thankfully. In my mind, Brokeback has come to a final end. And I just don't know exactly what to do or how to handle that.

I keep reading how much Heath was affected by playing the Joker. I have read a whole lot about how he put himself into the character of Ennis. It seems that Heath loved Ennis, but hated the Joker with the same intensity. The Joker's character was so opposite of Heath's true character that I feel he truly had a hard time handling it. I saw something on TV where Heath was talking about what a truly despicable character the Joker was.

In a way Jack, I respectfully disagree...

Heath is only "gone" if we let him be gone.  There is no reason he can't live on through our hearts/spirits/inspiration, just like Jack and Ennis, if you will.  It is a chore sometimes, I think, to free our minds from perceiving 'life' as the physical being.  There is much, much to be sad about... but he is only as 'gone' as we let him be.

 :-\
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 23, 2008, 06:16:16 pm
is it?  I wasn't sure 30 minutes would be enough time...

well that was my thought. I'm sure whispers would have got around - even if the family found out via something like this

we have heard rumours that there is currently an incident in soho involving Heath Ledger - ambulances have been called to the apartment he was living in.

its still not good.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 23, 2008, 06:30:48 pm
As if this week weren't sad enough, one of our own Brokies passed away this morning.

The thread for her is here (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16559.msg321969.html#new)

(primarily a DC-er, but many here have met her.)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sharon on January 23, 2008, 06:38:53 pm
... I have no words ...

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 23, 2008, 06:45:45 pm
As if this week weren't sad enough, one of our own Brokies passed away this morning.

The thread for her is here (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16559.msg321969.html#new)

(primarily a DC-er, but many here have met her.)

Oh Laura.  :(  Thank you for letting us know.  So sad.

:(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 23, 2008, 07:15:07 pm
A Song for Heath

Go to sleep, may your sweet dreams come true
Just lay back in my arms for one more night
I've this crazy old notion that calls me sometimes
Saying this one's the love of our lives.

Refrain:
Cause I know a love that will never grow old
And I know a love that will never grow old.

When you wake up the world may have changed
But trust in me, I'll never falter or fail
Just the smile in your eyes, it can light up the night,
And your laughter's like wind in my sails.

(Refrain)

Lean on me, let our hearts beat in time,
Feel strength from the hands that have held you so long.
Who cares where we go on this rutted old road
In a world that may say that we're wrong.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 23, 2008, 09:03:11 pm
I was driving to the doctor with my son today when I saw a Marlboro billboard. A cowboy on a horse in silhouette. It was enough to make me cry again.

I love all your tributes here. The poems, your thoughts. I still can't do one. I'm thankful for all of you here, you express what I can't.
But yet, there's this little voice in my head that doesn't want tributes and loving memories. I don't want tributes to Heath, I want Heath alive. Still having a very hard time to wrap my mind around it. It's forever, you know? Forever, like in endless, like in never again. Never again news of new movies, never again pics of wacky wardrobe combinations, never again interviews, never again seeing that smile live on a TV screen in some event or another, the fidgeting, the charming awkwardness/shyness, never again.

Forever, you know? This means Heath will be still gone tomorrow when I wake up. And when I get online here on BetterMost, and the day after tomorrow, and next week, and next month and next year . He will always be gone from now on.

Forever- I just can't comprehend it.


(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/Penthesilea06/Heath/HeathPhoto_Melbourne_150tag.jpg)

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: bbm_stitchbuffyfan on January 23, 2008, 09:07:19 pm
Quote
Hi Stitchy... longtime no see - good to see you even in these horrible times

xx

Oh, Kelda! It's nice to see you too. It's nice to see all these familiar faces again, even if the circumstances really suck.

Penthesilea... I feel the same way. It's so nice that everyone is doing this, and I'm so proud of the people who are laying down flowers and candles outside of his apartment. But to see that happen, it's so painful because I'm grappling with the same issue that you -- and everyone else is -- is that it's forever. Heath Ledger, in playing Ennis so compassionately and tenderly, made an impact on my life that words don't really do any justice to. You guys understand, because he did the same for each of you. And to see him, this beautiful person who I greatly admire and respect, to see him die... it's just cruel.

I think about how long life will seem for me. I am 18, and by the time I am 50, I know I will have likely accepted all of this long before then. But that place for him in my heart will never be the same way again, because the gratitude I felt for him will be tainted by remorse and pain. (I had remorse and pain for Ennis, but not for Heath himself until I learned he died.)

It feels like it's 2 years ago, and I'm watching Brokeback Mountain, sobbing, feeling like love is the most important thing in such a harsh and ruthless world, and it makes me very upset. Coming on here is helpful cause I can purge my thoughts, I guess, but in the mean time, I really have to stay busy because when I'm not, I stop and realize that he's really gone. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nic on January 23, 2008, 09:09:42 pm
If Eric is around - just wanted to say that listening to BBM radio is somehow comforting at this time, albeit in that bittersweet BBM way.  Some of the cheerier songs seem to jar initially but then they force me to think of the good stuff.  Thanks once again Eric & Phillip for setting up BBM radio.  
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: frantic65 on January 23, 2008, 09:17:33 pm
CNN Nancy Grace show topic is Heath. Nancy is fighting with the TMZ guy about why the masseuse called Mary-Kate Olsen before 911??
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 23, 2008, 09:50:05 pm
If Eric is around - just wanted to say that listening to BBM radio is somehow comforting at this time, albeit in that bittersweet BBM way.  Some of the cheerier songs seem to jar initially but then they force me to think of the good stuff.  Thanks once again Eric & Phillip for setting up BBM radio.  
You can say that twice and mean it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 09:52:17 pm

In Brokeback Mountain we lost Jack, Now in the real world we lose Heath. The pain we feel and share is real now, that sorrowful melancholy has returned with a vengeance.



 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 09:54:22 pm

The only bright spot in this otherwise abjectly miserable day is seeing so many of my old friends drop in to pay respects. You all have been such a huge part of my life and my happiness and having you here as part of my sorrow means everything.



((( RouxB )))
Title: Re: Heath Ledger dead - grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 10:00:14 pm

Perhaps we should hug all our loved ones today and make certain they understand how much we love them.



((( Brokies )))  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 10:04:09 pm

He will forever be exactly what he was that created our legitimate obsession and passion. Now, he will never grow old; a love that will never grow old. Our Heath. The man who renewed my hope and my emotion.



 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 10:12:05 pm
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayke8v1_T2Q[/youtube]

Go Rest High On That Mountain

I know your life
On earth was troubled
And only you could know the pain
You weren't afraid to face the devil
You were no stranger to the rain

Go rest high on that mountain
Son, you work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin'
Love for the Father and Son

Oh, how we cried the day you left us
We gathered round your grave to grieve
I wish I could see the angels faces
When they hear your sweet voice sing

Go rest high on that mountain
Son, you work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin'
Love for the Father and Son


I was listening to the radio station last night, and this came on, and I officially lost it.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 23, 2008, 10:14:25 pm

We can all see Heath in Brokeback Mountain, to-day and, especially in our tomorrows.

Ledger wanted to do Ennis.

WE all think that he loved acting Ennis!!

We all love him for it!

It is endearing and so was he, our Ennis!

Hugs!       
Thanks Heath, our Ennis forever!!


Here here!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 23, 2008, 10:15:46 pm

I was listening to the radio station last night, and this came on, and I officially lost it.  :'(

{{{{{{{{{ERIC}}}}}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Flashframe777 on January 23, 2008, 10:33:17 pm
I found this wonderful article about Heath from the guy who owns the 2 Shirts.  If you like G. Bush or his team, you might want to skip the end paragraph.

TOM GREGORY
 


Heath Ledger: Two Shirts and a Dream


Posted January 23, 2008 | 08:01 PM (EST)


             
Life is a remarkable gift. Theologies claim godly and grand sources for the life force, while scientific minds describe the soul as the remarkable product of complex synapses and motor neurons. We're born anxious to make our mark on the world. If we work at it, we like where life's passions lead us. Family, friends, hope, and desires are driving forces. Beauty in the world and the good work of others inspire us everyday. For the vast majority of us, getting the most out of life means leaving the world a better place.

Heath Ledger's brief life was a stellar example of success. In one role in one near-perfect film, his portrayal of a tortured cowboy showed many of us a new way of seeing ourselves. The desperate need for social acceptability drove Ennis Del Mar into tormented loneliness while Ledger's deep, nuanced performance beckoned us along for the ride. At the film's dusty, cold end we're left feeling isolated and lost -- with just two shirts and dream of what should have been possible for Ennis and Jack.

Ledger's cowboy was worn but, not hopeless, sad but not foolish. Ennis was making his way in the world -- simply scratching out a living until he came alive on Brokeback Mountain. His newfound sexuality connects to everyone's first time and first love, gay or straight. We can't help but be there around the fire with him and his friend, anticipating that first drunken romp. Ledger's hidden shuffling, mumbling, unsmiling demeanor leaves him while he soars on the mountain.

When Ennis confronts his demons in an alley after Jack drives off, he pounds the wall and cries out in a plaintive wail. We know as much as he does that life for him will be eternally sad. It's society's fault for having put that pain there, and through Ledger's subtle, virtuoso effort, we know he's paying the price for humanity's judgment. Finally at the film's end through intertwined shirts, Ennis finds the message he's been looking for -- he was loved deeply. His joy is relegated to his memory and the two shirts and postcard hidden on the inside of his trailer's closet door.

Sadly, because the Academy likes an impersonation more than a performance -- and perhaps because somehow Brokeback Mountain was more troublingly "gay" to members of the Academy than Capote, Ledger never had the payoff of accepting Hollywood's coveted Oscar. The reward for Ledger would have to remain in his performance and not in an Oscar statuette.

Since religion (and then the psychological establishment) took up arms against homosexuality, it's been a rough ride for every single person with that elusive gene. The rhetoric is its loudest pitch ever under the Bush administration. Bush never admitted to seeing the film that humanized his theological victims; instead, he chuckled uncomfortably when asked about the award-winning flick. And then presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee panders to the homophobic African-American fundamentalists in Atlanta on Martin Luther King Day, droning on about the sanctity of marriage between "one man and one woman." Haven't we had enough of this narrow minded hatred?

If humanity wins over hate, the legacy of the likes of Bush and Huckabee will be trumped by Ledger's sensitive performance for years to come, and Ledger's star will remain one of Hollywood's brightest.

Tom Gregory's collection includes the two iconic shirts from Brokeback Mountain
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Toast on January 24, 2008, 12:23:50 am
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/nltoast/HeathBouquet.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 24, 2008, 12:27:15 am
That's so beautiful, Toast.

Such a sad scene in Candy, where he's mourning a kind of loss, just as we are now.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 24, 2008, 12:38:17 am
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/nltoast/HeathBouquet.jpg)

Thank you, Toastie, so good.

Funny for me - MiniMeno has been petitioning to be allowed to draw and and write directly on the walls of her room, and this week I saw with clarity that I should say yes to that.  And she's been doing amazing drawing and writing, beyond what she's put on paper.  Looking at the poetry in the image makes me gladder I did.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: YaadPyar on January 24, 2008, 12:50:31 am
Thought this was interesting...the numerological significance of Heath's name.  Check out the "Inner Dream Number" especially at the end.

Heathcliff Andrew Ledger

There are 22 letters in your name.
Those 22 letters total to 113
There are 7 vowels and 15 consonants in your name.
 
What your first name means:
English   Male   From the heath cliff.

Your number is: 5

The characteristics of #5 are: Expansiveness, visionary, adventure, the constructive use of freedom.

The expression or destiny for #5:
The number 5 Expression endows with the wonderful characteristic of multi-talents and versatility. You can do so many things well. The tone of the number 5 is constructive freedom, and in your drive to attain this freedom, you will likely be the master of adaptability and change. You are good at presenting ideas and knowing how to approach people to get what you want. Naturally, this gives you an edge in any sort of selling game and spells easy success when it comes to working with people in most jobs. Your popularity may lead you toward some form of entertainment or amusement. Whatever you do, you are clever, analytical, and a very quick thinker.

If there is too much of the 5 energy in your makeup, you may express some the negative attitudes of the number. Your restless and impatient attitude may keep you from staying with any project for too long. Sometimes you can be rather erratic and scatter yourself and your energies. You have a hard time keeping regular office hours and maintaining any sort of a routine. You tend to react strongly if you sense that your freedom of speech or action is being impaired or restricted in any way. As clever as you are, you may have a tendency to make the same mistakes over and over again because much of your response is glib reaction rather that thoughtful application. You are in a continuous state of flux brought by constantly changing interests.

Your Soul Urge number is: 4

A Soul Urge number of 4 means:
With the Soul Urge or Motivation number of 4 you are likely to strive for a stable life. You tend to follow a rather orderly pattern and systematic approach in your endeavors. You have an inner desire to serve others in a methodical and diligent manner. You want to be in solid, conventional, and well-regulated activities, and you are somewhat disturbed by innovation and erratic or sudden changes. Excellent at organizing, systematizing, and managing, you have a way of establishing order and maintaining it. You are responsible, reliable and in the final analysis, practical. Highly analytical, you can see your way through all sorts of situations and generally have a clear understanding of the issues. You are a very honest, sincere, and conscientious individual.

The negative side of the 4 is rigid, stubborn and somewhat narrow-minded. There is a tendency to hide feelings, or to really not be aware of real feelings. Avoid being too rigid and stubborn in your thinking, and try to always see the big picture rather than becoming to involved with the detail. Don't be afraid to take a chance once in awhile.

Your Inner Dream number is: 1

An Inner Dream number of 1 means:
You dream of being a leader and one who is in charge. You want to be known for your courage, daring, and original ideas. You seek unconquered heights. People may get a first impression that you are very aggressive and sure of yourself.



Copyright © 2006 Paul R. Sadowski (http://www.paulsadowski.com)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 24, 2008, 01:10:22 am


Your number is: 5



A lot of the 5 descriptors sure fit Heath.  I thought of this painting that I love, by Charles Demuth.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/Ellemeno_2006/isawthefigurefiveingoldbycharlesdem.jpg)

It's a tribute to William Carlos Williams.  You can see part of "Bill" and "Carlos" in the painting.

The Great Figure
Among the rain
and lights
I saw the figure 5
in gold
on a red
fire truck
moving
tense
unheeded
to gong clangs
siren howls
and wheels rumbling
through the dark city

~ William Carlos Williams (1883-1963)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RouxB on January 24, 2008, 01:12:03 am
Yaadie-my fairy god sister...you are so missed  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 24, 2008, 01:15:54 am
((((((((((Bettermost))))))))))

Sorry I can't be here more right now.

Love to all.


(((( BayCityJohn ))))   :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Luvlylittlewing on January 24, 2008, 01:16:02 am
Nature Boy by Eden Ahbez

There was a boy
A very strange enchanted boy
They say he wandered very far, very far
Over land and sea
A little shy and sad of eye
But very wise was he

And then one day
A magic day he passed my way
And while we spoke of many things
Fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return"

Beautiful, Gary.  This is one of my favorite songs, and it fits.  Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 24, 2008, 01:17:53 am
Nature Boy
performed by Nat Cole


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THPJDY7VZ7o[/youtube]

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: brokebackjack on January 24, 2008, 01:22:15 am
All I can think is what a mess.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 24, 2008, 01:22:49 am
Hey John, good to see you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 24, 2008, 01:49:59 am
I just wanted to share some thoughts about the black bag.  It was an object with the shell that had previously housed Heath.  At the time the stretcher left the house, Heath had already left his body - he wasn't there, he wasn't in that bag.  His physical form is something that we grieve over, but it isn't him.

That is what I think, at least.


I agree with you.  I was with my maternal grandfather when he died.  Waited with it until medics arrived to pronounce him dead and carry the body away.  It wasn't him.  It resembled him, but it just wasn't him
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: adrian on January 24, 2008, 03:27:26 am


To the man who brought many of us out into the world again.
To Heath,

Sleep in Heavenly Peace
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 24, 2008, 04:25:43 am
Adrian, :-*  Holding the horse means more to me now than ever.  Thank you again for your generosity.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 24, 2008, 04:36:02 am
I just read this entire thread in one sitting . . . WOW!

I was shocked to find out about Heath when I checked my E-mails Tuesday night.  I had several E-mails from non-Brokie friends telling me the sad news and offering condolences.  Unfortunately, my life and its commitments prevented me from getting onto Bettermost until tonight.

So many feelings have been expressed here.  The only one I want to add is

“. . . Every time I think of him I just can't keep from cryin'”


EDelMar’s personal tribute with that photo of Ennis’ truck (that I have ridden in several times) and clothes really got to me.  Thank you, Adam.


I want to summarize several things from this thread that really touched me and that I can really relate to:

I never felt this way for anyone I didn't actually know before.
 
Heath is gone, but his Ennis will live forever.
 
Your abilities inspired people to become better, and that is better than any award you could've been given.
 
Jack, take care of him, will ya.
 
Perhaps if Ennis had not been such a tragic figure, or at least one with whom we could so empathize, we might not feel so close to Heath.
 
Dear Heath did more for humankind in 2 plus hours of film than many of us who strive and fail over the decades
 
We told the other fellows that a friend of us has died. It’s not a complete lie, don’t you think?
 
I have received many calls and emails from non-Brokie friends sending their condolences.


Finally, although the circumstances are awful, it has been wonderful to hear from so many old Bettermost friends – kind of like seeing old friends and relatives at a dear relative’s funeral.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ All Brokies and everyone who has been touched by Heath’s portrayal of Ennis }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 24, 2008, 04:42:55 am
Pete,

:-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 24, 2008, 05:27:37 am
Hi all,

I’ve only now managed to speak (read:type) about Heath’s passing.  I have been living for the past twenty-four hours with a massive lump in my throat and pain in my heart.  Who knew that a loss actually does cause a physical pain? 

I searched and searched for an appropriate Scottish blessing, and I remembered that the Australian National Anthem was composed by a Glaswegian who wrote the anthem under the pen name “amicus”, which is latin for “friend”.  How appropriate. 

Here are the original lyrics (sourced from http://www.rampantscotland.com/songs/blsongs_australia.htm)

   Advance, Australia, Fair
Australian sons, let us rejoice.
For we are young and free.
We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea.
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In hist'ry's page, let ev'ry stage
Advance Australia Fair
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair.

When gallant Cook from Albion sailed.
To trace wide oceans o'er.
True British courage bore him on.
Til he landed on our shore
Then here he raised Old England's flag.
The standard of the brave.
"With all her faults we love her still."
"Britannia rules the wave."
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross.
We'll toil with hearts and hands,
To make our youthful Commonwealth
Renowned of all the lands;
For loyal sons beyond the seas
We've boundless plains to share,
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair

Should foreign foe e'er sight our coast.
Or dare a foot to land,
We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore
To guard our native strand.
Britannia then shall surely know,
Beyond wide oceans roll
Her sons in fair Australia's land
Still keep a British soul.
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair.



This has drained me and I hope to join in the discussion later on today.   :(


Sandy - I'm in Glasgow too. Funnily enough - I just checked your profile - and you joined Bettermost on my birthday. How you doing? Hugs from not to far away...

Hi Kelda, it's so lovely to hear from a local brokie.  Let's have coffee sometime. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 24, 2008, 05:52:45 am
I don,t know if anyone agrees with this, but I think Heath should be awarded the Oscar he should have got for BBM posthumously. He deserves it.
Good night brown eyes.  :'(
Souxi. xxxx
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 24, 2008, 05:58:57 am
Well....Im an Aussie and I didn't know our national anthem was written by a Scotsman.....

The most popular anthem and tune to most Aussies is Waltzing Matilda.....and it obviously had a place in Heath's heart for him to call his daughter Matilda...

I thought it would be fitting to put a Waltzing Matilda clip in here, but I dont know how to bring the Youtube clips over here....I did look through youtube under the heading "Waltzing Matilda" and my favourite video was one done by Little River Band....it has some nice scenes of Australia....

If anyone can download it here, it would be appreciated, and I think a nice Aussie tribute to Heath.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on January 24, 2008, 06:16:26 am
Well....Im an Aussie and I didn't know our national anthem was written by a Scotsman.....

The most popular anthem and tune to most Aussies is Waltzing Matilda.....and it obviously had a place in Heath's heart for him to call his daughter Matilda...

I thought it would be fitting to put a Waltzing Matilda clip in here, but I dont know how to bring the Youtube clips over here....I did look through youtube under the heading "Waltzing Matilda" and my favourite video was one done by Little River Band....it has some nice scenes of Australia....

If anyone can download it here, it would be appreciated, and I think a nice Aussie tribute to Heath.


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFjToKuZQM[/youtube]

also... Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfGc4wcil2g[/youtube]

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 24, 2008, 06:17:25 am
Waltzing Matilda
performed by the Little River Band


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1KQfbWn9mw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: opinionista on January 24, 2008, 06:38:26 am
CNN Nancy Grace show topic is Heath. Nancy is fighting with the TMZ guy about why the masseuse called Mary-Kate Olsen before 911??

The masseuse's decision sounds outrageous, but I somehow understand why she made it. Newspapers and news TV station usually have access to the emergency department radio. They hear all incoming calls, then decide what is newsworthy and what isn't. At least all newspapers I have work for have such radio, even in NYC. According to news account Heath died between 1 pm and 2.45 pm on Tuesday. By 4 pm that very same day the press already knew something was wrong and there was a mob outside Heath's home. I suppose that's what the masseuse was trying to avoid. I have been told that people who work so closely for celebrities are usually forced into not revealing anything, into following some silly procedure or protocol in order to ensure privacy. They even have to sing contracts and such promising they won't go around talking about the celebrities they work for.

PS. I'm not saying she was right to do what she did. I'm just explaining the possible situation she was in when Heath passed away.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 24, 2008, 07:32:46 am
Well....Im an Aussie and I didn't know our national anthem was written by a Scotsman.....

The most popular anthem and tune to most Aussies is Waltzing Matilda.....and it obviously had a place in Heath's heart for him to call his daughter Matilda...

I thought it would be fitting to put a Waltzing Matilda clip in here, but I dont know how to bring the Youtube clips over here....I did look through youtube under the heading "Waltzing Matilda" and my favourite video was one done by Little River Band....it has some nice scenes of Australia....

If anyone can download it here, it would be appreciated, and I think a nice Aussie tribute to Heath.

Thanks Katie. As a Glaswegian, I had simply searched for my own wee Scottish tribute and this is what came up. I'm sorry if I got it wrong, it was just a thought from me.  No doubt Waltzing Matilda was more important to him given his daughter's name. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 24, 2008, 10:13:40 am
The masseuse's decision sounds outrageous, but I somehow understand why she made it. Newspapers and news TV station usually have access to the emergency department radio. They hear all incoming calls, then decide what is newsworthy and what isn't. At least all newspapers I have work for have such radio, even in NYC. According to news account Heath died between 1 pm and 2.45 pm on Tuesday. By 4 pm that very same day the press already knew something was wrong and there was a mob outside Heath's home. I suppose that's what the masseuse was trying to avoid. I have been told that people who work so closely for celebrities are usually forced into not revealing anything, into following some silly procedure or protocol in order to ensure privacy. They even have to sing contracts and such promising they won't go around talking about the celebrities they work for.

PS. I'm not saying she was right to do what she did. I'm just explaining the possible situation she was in when Heath passed away.


First off, I thought Nancy Grace had the jaundice until I realized it was just a yellow journalist I was seeing. 

Next off, it's understandable to me that the masseuse may have freaked out and wasn't thinking clearly.  The situation was outrageous, and not everybody has the wherewithal to handle such things in a calm, rational manner. 

A friend of mine lives in the West Village, where Tom Brady made an appearance with a cast on his leg that afternoon.  She told me there was a frenzy of media and paparazzi there for him, but when they heard about Heath, they stampeded to his place, leaving the West Village looking like a ghost town. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 24, 2008, 10:28:53 am
I heard this song coming into work this morning and I couldn't help but think about both Heath and Jackie (paintedshoes). Both people who brought so much to this world and to us. So for that reason I want to dedicate these words of this songs to Heath and Jackie. I am also going to post this on my blog since I believe that for awhile I will be doing most of my posting there. I need to be in my own space for awhile so I hope more people will read things from me over there. And if not I can still express my feelings and thoughts there. Here are the words to this beautiful song:

When I Get Where I'm Going
by Brad Paisley and Dolly Parton

When I get where I'm going
on the far side of the sky.
The first thing that I'm gonna do
Is spread my wings and fly.

I'm gonna land beside a lion,
and run my fingers through his mane.
Or I might find out what it's like
To ride a drop of rain

(Chorus:)
Yeah when I get where I'm going,
there'll be only happy tears.
I will shed the sins and struggles,
I have carried all these years.
And I'll leave my heart wide open,
I will love and have no fear.
Yeah when I get where I'm going,
Don't cry for me down here.

I'm gonna walk with my grandaddy,
and he'll match me step for step,
and I'll tell him how I missed him,
every minute since he left.
Then I'll hug his neck.

(Chorus)

So much pain and so much darkness,
in this world we stumble through.
All these questions, I can't answer,
so much work to do.

But when I get where I'm going,
and I see my Maker's face.
I'll stand forever in the light,
of His amazing grace.
Yeah when I get where I'm going,
Yeah when I get where I'm going,
there'll be only happy tears.
Hallelujah!
I will love and have no fear.
When I get where I'm going.
Yeah when I get where I'm going.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 10:34:47 am
Next off, it's understandable to me that the masseuse may have freaked out and wasn't thinking clearly.  The situation was outrageous, and not everybody has the wherewithal to handle such things in a calm, rational manner. 

I'm glad to hear you guys say this, because I was thinking that, too. I felt a little sorry for the masseuse. She probably didn't do the very best thing, but can any of us (nurses and doctors excluded) be sure we would, under those circumstances?? For one thing, you just don't expect to find a healthy 28-year-old on the brink of death.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 24, 2008, 11:05:39 am
Maybe this isn't the proper thread in which to say this, but things are still moving pretty quickly around here, and I'm finding it a little difficult to know where to say what. I also apologize in advance if what I'm about to say offends or upsets anyone. Here goes. ...

So we're now hearing that the rolled-up twenty-dollar bill tested negative for illegal drugs--and with respect to that report I'm suddenly feeling myself very much in the same position as Ennis was when Lureen told him about Jack's death in an "accident": I don't trust the report, and I expect I won't trust the toxicology report when it comes out, either. A desire to protect Heath's reputation and the feelings of his family is understandable, and I make no judgments about that desire--just as I understand Lureen's possible desire to protect Jack's reputation and her son's feelings.

I am not ordinarily given to "conspiracy theories." My distrust comes out of life experience. Three years ago this March I lost an old friend who died and was found dead in circumstances similar to Heath's death; in my friend's case, he was found naked on his kitchen floor. My friend was a lot older than Heath, and had high blood pressure, but nevertheless what killed him was a lethal interaction of cocaine and prescription medications. I was co-executor of my friend's estate, and I found evidence of illegal drug use myself.

There. I've said it. And again, I'm sorry if I've upset or offended anyone.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 24, 2008, 11:25:19 am
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So we're now hearing that the rolled-up twenty-dollar bill tested negative for illegal drugs


I haven't heard about a rolled up twenty dollar bill at all  ???
Is this information from a halfways reliable source, or one of the all too many gossips circulating now? As far as your knowledge goes, of course.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Fran on January 24, 2008, 11:28:07 am
Jeff, maybe I don't understand your post, but I think the toxicology report will speak for itself.  If there were any drugs in his system, they will turn up in the report.  There'll be no sugar-coating that fact if they are present.  

As to whether the scene was "cleaned up" before the paramedics arrived is anybody's guess.

It's an unfortunate situation any way you look at it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2008, 11:29:54 am

I haven't heard about a rolled up twenty dollar bill at all  ???
Is this information from a halfways reliable source, or one of the all too many gossips circulating now? As far as your knowledge goes, of course.

I just posted an article from the New York Times (reputable source) that has information on many of these details, as well as times of various events. It's over on the news account thread.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 11:32:48 am
I'm not upset or offended, Jeff, and I'm very sorry about your friend. But I'll have to say I don't agree.

I just don't think the forensic experts or whoever does those tests and/or announces the results to the public would take the risk involved in creating a fake report. With all the press attention to this, the truth probably would come out eventually, and their jobs and reputations are at stake. Even if they cared about protecting Heath's family, I just don't think they'd go that far out on a limb to do it. Besides, I imagine Heath probably HAS used drugs (even heroin, if you believe those ubiquitous mysterious "sources"), so although none of us want to think drugs were involved in his death it wouldn't be a huge shock or blow to his reputation if they were.

If ... I don't know ... George W. Bush were found dead (god forbid -- seriously) and they discovered evidence of drugs, THEN I'd think they might attempt a coverup. But for Heath Ledger? No way.

Course, I believe Lureen, too.  ;)

As to whether the scene was "cleaned up" before the paramedics arrived is anybody's guess.

True. But if they'd cleaned off the $20 bill, they would have unrolled it.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 24, 2008, 11:38:58 am
I just posted an article from the New York Times (reputable source) that has information on many of these details, as well as times of various events. It's over on the news account thread.

L


Thank you Leslie, I just read it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 24, 2008, 11:42:18 am
I'm not upset or offended, Jeff, and I'm very sorry about your friend. But I'll have to say I don't agree.

I just don't think the forensic experts or whoever does those tests and/or announces the results to the public would take the risk involved in creating a fake report.

I don't think they'd create a fake report. I just think they'd lie to the public about the contents of the report.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 24, 2008, 11:42:47 am
Heath's alleged substance abuse, which may or may not have contributed to his death, need not change the way any of us feel about him. I don't think the choice of using and abusing illicit drugs, and the addiction that often results from such a choice, in and of itself makes someone a "bad" person.

I also feel that this case is too high-profile to allow an extended and deliberate cover-up of the truth, assuming that the truth involves drugs, illegal or otherwise
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 11:45:09 am
I don't think they'd create a fake report. I just think they'd lie to the public about the contents of the report.

The report is public information, part of the police file. Anyone can look at it. So if they were going to lie, they'd have to back it up with a fake.

I don't think the choice of using and abusing illicit drugs, and the addiction that often results from such a choice, in and of itself makes someone a "bad" person.

I completely agree.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 24, 2008, 11:45:33 am
..., but I think the toxocology report will speak for itself.  If there were any drugs in his system, they will turn up in the report.  There'll be no sugar-coating that fact if they are present.  



I agree with Fran and Katherine here. I don't think they would be able to keep things covered for long, therefore they won't try.


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Quote from: Fran on Today at 04:28:07 PM
As to whether the scene was "cleaned up" before the paramedics arrived is anybody's guess.

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True. But if they'd cleaned off the $20 bill, they would have unrolled it.

Good logical thinking.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 24, 2008, 11:54:38 am
The report is public information, part of the police file. Anyone can look at it. So if they were going to lie, they'd have to back it up with a fake.

Maybe, maybe not.

The files are public records, but in Pennsylvania anyway, they're not that easy to get ahold of. I can't speak for New York, but, here again, I speak from the experience of my friend's death. It's not impossible, but I doubt that Intrepid Reporter Ineedcrayons  ;) could just walk in off the street and be granted immediate access to the files.

Illegal substances or not, my opinion of Heath does not change, nor my sadness at his death.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: opinionista on January 24, 2008, 11:56:39 am
I'm not upset or offended, Jeff, and I'm very sorry about your friend. But I'll have to say I don't agree.

I just don't think the forensic experts or whoever does those tests and/or announces the results to the public would take the risk involved in creating a fake report. With all the press attention to this, the truth probably would come out eventually, and their jobs and reputations are at stake. Even if they cared about protecting Heath's family, I just don't think they'd go that far out on a limb to do it. Besides, I imagine Heath probably HAS used drugs (even heroin, if you believe those ubiquitous mysterious "sources"), so although none of us want to think drugs were involved in his death it wouldn't be a huge shock or blow to his reputation if they were.

If ... I don't know ... George W. Bush were found dead (god forbid -- seriously) and they discovered evidence of drugs, THEN I'd think they might attempt a coverup. But for Heath Ledger? No way.

Course, I believe Lureen, too.  ;)

True. But if they'd cleaned off the $20 bill, they would have unrolled it.


Obviously I am no expert but Heath's case it really sounds like an intoxication from prescription medication. This is regardless of Heath alleged illegal drug abuse. I don't think he was an actual addict but I wouldn't be surprised if he snorted coke from time to time. That does not make him an addict or a bad person, just human.

Anyway, Heath was using dangerous prescribed drugs that if misused could be lethal. According to wikipedia, Ambien can be highly dangerous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolpidem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolpidem)

We need to wait for the coroner's report but it seems like illegal drugs played no role here. Then again, who knows. Anyway, Heath was entitled to have a private life.


 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 12:04:19 pm
It's not impossible, but I doubt that Intrepid Reporter Ineedcrayons  ;) could just walk in off the street and be granted immediate access to the files.

Based on my intrepid reporting experience  ;) , I'm pretty sure I could. And if not, I'd have a Freedom of Information Act request filed within the hour.

So they could either hand the files over right away, or wait and hand them over after I and the 8,000 other journalists covering the story had written/broadcast our headlines about the police refusal to show the files, suggesting a possible coverup. They know that, so I doubt they'd try to stall.

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Illegal substances or not, my opinion of Heath does not change, nor my sadness at his death.

Nor mine, not in the least (I speak as someone who's not a stranger to illegal substances). But I'll be glad if they weren't, just for the sake of protecting him from the conservative radio talk-show hosts, etc.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 24, 2008, 12:18:44 pm
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From Jeff:
Illegal substances or not, my opinion of Heath does not change, nor my sadness at his death.

Nor mine, not in the least (I speak as someone who's not a stranger to illegal substances). But I'll be glad if they weren't, just for the sake of protecting him from the conservative radio talk-show hosts, etc.

Exactly. Additionally, for his own sake. Taking the one or other illegal drug for fun is one thing (I think many of us have done that), but I would be even more sad for him if he indeed had slipped too deep into it.
I wouldn't think any less of him, I just hope he wasn't so down the last months as some gossips say.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kd5000 on January 24, 2008, 12:46:14 pm
People Magazine is saying he was very edgy and unhappy over the Christmas holidays in Australia.  He really missed his daughter and his filming schedule was making it even worse.  The article said he had prescriptions that were prescribed in Europe and USA.  If your seeing two different doctors who aren't aware of what prescriptions you are already on, it makes for a very dangerous situation.   I mean, they always ask "are you taking any other medications," but one can say otherwise.   
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 24, 2008, 12:49:38 pm
Based on my intrepid reporting experience  ;) , I'm pretty sure I could. And if not, I'd have a Freedom of Information Act request filed within the hour.

So they could either hand the files over right away, or wait and hand them over after I and the 8,000 other journalists covering the story had written/broadcast our headlines about the police refusal to show the files, suggesting a possible coverup. They know that, so I doubt they'd try to stall.

You seem to have greater faith in government bureaucrats than I do.  ;D

It all depends ... on lots of things. Like who would be willing or wanting to cover something up to protect the family's privacy. The government might be quite willing to sit on the records until the law took its course and required that they be handed over, in hopes you'd get bored or tired and move on. I just don't see some bored civil servant counter clerk, whose vested interest is covering his ass with his supervisors, not serving the public, handing records like these over to you just because you tell him--or her--you have a right to see public records--which you do. I've dealt with people like that in a former job.

But let be, let be. ...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 24, 2008, 12:55:12 pm
I think there can certainly be an impulse for a cover-up for any number of reasons; as to whether a cover-up would actually take place is another issue.

The Ledger family, in their initial statements ruling out suicide, struck me as exhibiting an impulse to not even countenance that possibility out of the shame and stigma that still accrue to that cause of death. I mean, could they really, truly know that there was no possible way that suicide was the cause? But I doubt that their feelings would prevent the ruling of suicide as the cause, should the authorities truly come to that conclusion (I admit that no initial findings are pointing to that direction).
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 01:08:19 pm
in hopes you'd get bored or tired and move on.

 :laugh: Fat chance of that! Nobody's going to get bored and move on from this story just because the bureaucrats stall on the files. That will just pique their interest.

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I just don't see some bored civil servant counter clerk, whose vested interest is covering his ass with his supervisors, not serving the public, handing records like these over to you just because you tell him--or her--you have a right to see public records--which you do. I've dealt with people like that in a former job.

Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative  ::), but I dealt with people like that all the time when I was a newspaper reporter. I wasn't a full-time cops reporter, but as a general-assignment reporter I often filled in at the police station or courthouse. The desk clerks are very used to dealing with reporters. If they know you, they hand over the files when they see you coming, often making amiable small talk while doing so. Admittedly, many of the journalists in this case would be strangers. But whoever is on this story at, for example, the New York Times (probably a handful of people, in that case) is likely a familiar face to them. Everybody involved, from the chief of police down to the counter clerks, knows the drill. I'm guessing that in this case they might even make copies of the report and hand them out en masse at press conferences just to reduce traffic in the office.

As some random member of the public, you'd have just as much right as a reporter does to see the records. But admittedly, it might be more of a hassle.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 24, 2008, 01:11:29 pm
Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative  ::).

Perish the thought.  ;D
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 01:13:04 pm
Perish the thought.  ;D

 :laugh:  :-*

It's fun to be able to use the laughing smiley again, at least occasionally.



Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on January 24, 2008, 01:18:50 pm
I personally don't think Heath was suicidal, or that he was overdosing on illegal drugs, but I'm afraid it's already in the public consciousness that one or both of those things was the case.  Thanks to inaccurate, sensationlized reports, the impression has already been delivered.  Just an hour ago, the women on "The View" were discussing it, and one of them repeated the inaccurate report of pills being strewn around and another spoke of him as if he had indeed taken illegal drugs.  Thankfully, Whoopi Goldberg finished the discussion by saying she was not about to believe anything until all the reports were in.

Just now on the local news they showed the Frank Campbell Funeral Home on the Upper East Side.  A crowd of cameramen and reporters were there, just waiting for family or friends to appear so they could get that money picture for today's news.  It was reported that Heath's mother has flown in from Australia to accompany his body back to Perth.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 24, 2008, 01:23:42 pm
I personally don't think Heath was suicidal, or that he was overdosing on illegal drugs, but I'm afraid it's already in the public consciousness that one or both of those things was the case.  Thanks to inaccurate, sensationlized reports, the impression has already been delivered.  Just an hour ago, the women on "The View" were discussing it, and one of them repeated the inaccurate report of pills being strewn around and another spoke of him as if he had indeed taken illegal drugs.  Thankfully, Whoopi Goldberg finished the discussion by saying she was not about to believe anything until all the reports were in.

Just now on the local news they showed the Frank Campbell Funeral Home on the Upper East Side.  A crowd of cameramen and reporters were there, just waiting for family or friends to appear so they could get that money picture for today's news.  It was reported that Heath's mother has flown in from Australia to accompany his body back to Perth.
Do you think there is a way we could send flowers or somthing to the Funeral Home in Austrailia?
I feel like I have to do somthing. :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2008, 01:27:57 pm
Just now on the local news they showed the Frank Campbell Funeral Home on the Upper East Side.  A crowd of cameramen and reporters were there, just waiting for family or friends to appear so they could get that money picture for today's news.  It was reported that Heath's mother has flown in from Australia to accompany his body back to Perth.

Frank Campbell Funeral Home, funeral home of the stars. That's where they took Rudolph Valentino, when he died at the age of 31. (Why do I remember this stuff? LOL). Here's a description from Wikipedia:

An estimated 100,000 people lined the streets of New York City to pay their respects at his funeral, handled by the Frank Campbell Funeral Home. The event was a drama itself: actress Pola Negri collapsed in hysterics while standing over the coffin, windows were smashed as fans tried to get in, and Campbell's hired four actors to impersonate a Fascist Blackshirt honor guard, which claimed to have been sent by Benito Mussolini. It was later revealed as a planned publicity stunt. The New York Graphic printed a ghoulish fake composed photograph on its front cover purporting to show Valentino in his casket, before the body actually reached the funeral home.


Let's hope things are a little bit calmer for our beloved Heath.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 01:30:27 pm
Campbell's hired four actors to impersonate a Fascist Blackshirt honor guard, which claimed to have been sent by Benito Mussolini. It was later revealed as a planned publicity stunt. ...

Let's hope things are a little bit calmer for our beloved Heath.

They could probably skip the Fascist Blackshirt honor guard, at least.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on January 24, 2008, 01:33:20 pm
I still haven't heard it confirmed that there will even be a New York funeral.  There were people speculating that one wouldn't be held, possibly to avoid picketing by that monster Phelps (why couldn't the Lord have taken him?).  ::)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kd5000 on January 24, 2008, 01:35:13 pm
Perth, Australia is one of the most isolated major cities in the world.  I hope it's geographical distance and removal from hothouses of tabloid media might discourage the paparazzi "vultures" from disrupting the ceremony.  I presume that's where he will be buried as that's where his family lives, correct.

Phelps is the devil incarnate.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 24, 2008, 01:50:31 pm
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why couldn't the Lord have taken him
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm?

I'm afraid no matter how isolated Perth is, if a plane lands there the vultures will make the trip.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 24, 2008, 02:06:22 pm
Quote from: MaineWriter
An estimated 100,000 people lined the streets of New York City to pay their respects at his funeral, handled by the Frank Campbell Funeral Home. The event was a drama itself: actress Pola Negri collapsed in hysterics while standing over the coffin, windows were smashed as fans tried to get in, and Campbell's hired four actors to impersonate a Fascist Blackshirt honor guard, which claimed to have been sent by Benito Mussolini. It was later revealed as a planned publicity stunt. The New York Graphic printed a ghoulish fake composed photograph on its front cover purporting to show Valentino in his casket, before the body actually reached the funeral home.

Gosh!  I thought distasteful media/public circuses were a relatively contemporary phenomenon...


Anyway, let's pray that his family is left alone, indeed.  They've been through so much already.  (A lady at my office mentioned that his family found out via the news reports. Does anyone know if this is true?)  Ick.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 02:09:19 pm
Anyway, let's pray that his family is left alone, indeed.  They've been through so much already.  (A lady at my office mentioned that his family found out via the news reports. Does anyone know if this is true?)  Ick.

Yes, I've read that's true.

The media won't leave his family alone, at least not willingly. They only do that for children, sometimes. But maybe the family will get bodyguards or whatever to run interference.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 24, 2008, 02:12:58 pm
I personally don't think Heath was suicidal, or that he was overdosing on illegal drugs, but I'm afraid it's already in the public consciousness that one or both of those things was the case.

I don't believe he was suicidal, either.  I believe it was an accidental lethal combination of drugs, prescription and possibly otherwise.

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It was reported that Heath's mother has flown in from Australia to accompany his body back to Perth.

Is Michelle's mother living, too? It would be nice to know/think that at least for now, little Matilda has two complete sets of grandparents.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Wishes on January 24, 2008, 02:14:00 pm
At least that filthy Phelps won't be able to get to Australia. I hope so much the family will have peace while they are going through this. But I too fear the media is going to go where they have to for those pictures to be published in every magazine.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 24, 2008, 02:15:58 pm
I hope so much the family will have peace while they are going through this. But I too fear the media is going to go where they have to for those pictures to be published in every magazine.

Scum.  If a magazine has pics of his family in Perth that were taken anywhere other than the news conference, I won't buy it. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 24, 2008, 02:16:29 pm
Jeff - yes - Michelle's Mum and best friend (and Matilda's godparent) were already at Michelle's apartment before Michelle even left Sweden.




I came across these poems today - you may recognise them - I thought they were appropriate..


Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there, I do not sleep.

I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glint on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.

When you wake in the morning hush,
I am the swift, uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circling flight.
I am the soft starlight at night.

Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there, I did not die!
- Mary Frye (1932)

 

Funeral Blues

 

W.H. Auden

 

Stop all the clocks, cut of the telephone
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone
Silence the pianos and with a muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead
Put crępe bows round the white necks of the public doves
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves

He was my North, my South, my East and West
My workingweek and my Sundayrest
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song
I thought that love would last forever: I was wrong

The stars are not wanted now, put out every one;
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood
For nothing now can ever come to any good

And Eric.. I'm also lisetning to BBM Radio - thank you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 24, 2008, 02:20:35 pm
Scum.  If a magazine has pics of his family that were taken anywhere other than the news conference, I won't buy it. 

well they took some of Michelle earlier  :'( - I couldn't help myself I had to look...  >:(

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/01/23/michelle-williams-en-route-nyc%20/#comment-2501129
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 24, 2008, 02:36:25 pm
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no matter what the truth is, it won't change my view of Heath.  He gave us Ennis, and for that, I will be eternally grateful.         

You hit the nail on the head friend!
Very Nicely put!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 24, 2008, 02:43:06 pm
I personally don't think Heath was suicidal, or that he was overdosing on illegal drugs, but I'm afraid it's already in the public consciousness that one or both of those things was the case.

My husband repeated those things to me last night. I could have punched him. But I ranted about sensationalist media reports (and about the public hunger to feel morally superior to celebrities) instead.

If the problem is with a commonly prescribed medication, it's particularly important that the truth be known.

(*tries to suppress a rant about the FDA and the tendency for pharmaceutical researchers to report positive results, but to leave negative results unpublished...* Ummm, I know that I'm moving into the stage of grief that's all about anger, so I may be looking for a scapegoat.)

no matter what the truth is, it won't change my view of Heath.  He gave us Ennis, and for that, I will be eternally grateful.

Amen.

Thanks to all of you who are posting song lyrics and artwork. They help.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 24, 2008, 02:49:34 pm

       I have always told my family as a way to get passed issues of this kind.  We love people because
of who they are.  Not because of who they are not.   We love them in spite of their faults,  Not because
they have none.  If we couldn't love people with faults.  We could neither love nor be loved.  We all
have faults.  it is too bad that we have to base our love on those kinds of judgemental attitudes.

       Heath was a very very sensitive and talented person.  He was neither a saint nor an unholy sinner.
He was a human.  He was subject to all the individual taints and problems that we are all subject to.
He was also subject to many other ones that we are not subject to.  May we look at the things
he was proud of in his life.  Things he gave as pearls of his life.  We who loved him like one of us, for
a particular role we identify with so much.  That alone was reason enough for us to love him forever.
I for one who does have faults of my own.  Do not expect others to be faultless.  i only expect them to
treat others with respect and kindness.  He did that in the largest of measures.  

                       REST SWEET PRINCE..............BE HAPPY AND FULFILLED
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BennyBoy on January 24, 2008, 03:01:19 pm
Well no matter what...whether it was accidental or suicide, drugs or no drugs...I just hope he went quick and didn't suffer. 

I know that I personally am not afraid of death but am afraid of the suffering that may come before.  I pray to God that Heath didn't have to experience one second of pain.  That was the last thing that he deserved. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 24, 2008, 03:01:24 pm
Tons of Heath pictures throughout his career:

http://movies.msn.com/celebs/celeb.aspx?c=300274&mp=p&GT1=7701
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 24, 2008, 03:09:25 pm

And Eric.. I'm also lisetning to BBM Radio - thank you.



 :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on January 24, 2008, 03:28:58 pm
In SoHo, Heath Ledger was scruffy loner
BY MEHRNOOSH TORBATNEJAD and CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Thursday, January 24th 2008, 2:16 AM

To most of the world, Heath Ledger was an A-list Hollywood star, but in SoHo he was a scruffy specter who wandered the cobblestone streets mostly alone.

"I didn't know he was an actor," said Camile Angelo, the host at the Grotta Azzurra Ristorante at Mulberry and Broome Sts., where Ledger often ate breakfast. "He was always the first customer. He was always here alone."

Ledger moved to a SoHo loft from Boerum Hill, Brooklyn, last year after splitting with girlfriend Michelle Williams and quickly became linked to a slew of starlets and models.

But when Angelo saw the "Brokeback Mountain" star last Thursday, the actor had only his cell phone and iPod for company.

"I told him to stop text messaging because his steak and eggs were getting cold," Angelo said. "He smiled."

Liz Bullis, sales manager of Gourmet Garage on Broome St., said she sometimes saw Ledger with his 2-year-old daughter, Matilda. He usually wore ragged jeans, an old jacket, brown boots and a stubbly chin, but when she spotted Ledger buying organic sausages and bagging his own groceries Monday, he'd cleaned up his act a bit.

"He's usually very scruffy, but he was clean shaven," Bullis said.

The Miro Cafe on Broadway was another Ledger haunt. Once again, the unfailingly polite young man gave no inkling he was somebody special.

"We were surprised, we never knew he was an actor," manager Max Barrsi said. "He was practically here all the time for coffee . . . always very nice with us."

At the Spring Street Natural Restaurant, a bartender who asked not to be identified said Ledger often came by in the evening for a drink, which he nursed at a table in the back. He didn't stand out in the crowd.

"We have a lot of celebrities here," he said.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/Heath%20Memory/GrottaAzzura.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 24, 2008, 03:31:39 pm
Tons of Heath pictures throughout his career:

http://movies.msn.com/celebs/celeb.aspx?c=300274&mp=p&GT1=7701

Thank you Eric for posting the link.


I know it's silly, but I feel like saving all those pics on my Heath album. Somehow I fear they might be gone soon.
Of course I won't, but I admit I have saved many pics the last two days. I've seen them often before (and had saved some), but I always thought they'd be around the net and around BetterMost always. Just like I thought Heath will be around, you know?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 24, 2008, 03:38:06 pm
Thank you Eric for posting the link.


I know it's silly, but I feel like saving all those pics on my Heath album. Somehow I fear they might be gone soon.
Of course I won't, but I admit I have saved many pics the last two days. I've seen them often before (and had saved some), but I always thought they'd be around the net and around BetterMost always. Just like I thought Heath will be around, you know?


No it,s not silly atall. I,ve got tons of Heath pics in my pic folder, tons. Wanna know whats crazy? I,ve been talking to Heath at regular intervals today, I mean ffs!! Am I daft or what? It,s not like he can hear me is it lol. I need help. ::)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Dagi on January 24, 2008, 03:48:23 pm
Tons of Heath pictures throughout his career:

http://movies.msn.com/celebs/celeb.aspx?c=300274&mp=p&GT1=7701

Thanks for sharing! Although looking at them makes my heart ache.

Dagi
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 24, 2008, 03:56:03 pm
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At the Spring Street Natural Restaurant, a bartender who asked not to be identified said Ledger often came by in the evening for a drink, which he nursed at a table in the back. He didn't stand out in the crowd.


So like Ennis. :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Dagi on January 24, 2008, 04:11:58 pm
No it,s not silly atall. I,ve got tons of Heath pics in my pic folder, tons. Wanna know whats crazy? I,ve been talking to Heath at regular intervals today, I mean ffs!! Am I daft or what? It,s not like he can hear me is it lol. I need help. ::)

I am sure he can hear you.

Dagi
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2008, 04:23:07 pm
No it,s not silly atall. I,ve got tons of Heath pics in my pic folder, tons. Wanna know whats crazy? I,ve been talking to Heath at regular intervals today, I mean ffs!! Am I daft or what? It,s not like he can hear me is it lol. I need help. ::)

Souxi....just put your antenna up, tune it to Heath's wavelength and he'll hear you loud and clear. He might even answer. You know I'm serious!

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: David In Indy on January 24, 2008, 04:48:21 pm
I still haven't heard it confirmed that there will even be a New York funeral.  There were people speculating that one wouldn't be held, possibly to avoid picketing by that monster Phelps (why couldn't the Lord have taken him?).  ::)

What you said makes me think "only the good die young". Which probably means Fred Phelps will still be tormenting us when he's 120 years old.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: oilgun on January 24, 2008, 04:50:31 pm

Sorry if the following sounds trite but I've been doing a lot of thinking the last couple of days. I've been thinking that maybe I have abandonment issues. 

My overwhelming emotion, once the shock of Heath's death subsided, was an almost all-consuming anger.  Anger at Heath, anger at other grievers and the cannibalistic media, but mainly, anger at myself.  I'm angry that I let myself be sucked into the Heath universe only to be dumped just when it was getting really good. 

The bastard seduced me with his amazingly affecting, open and generous performances. They were so effective that I began to return the favour.  I let my guard down, opened up and made an emotional commitment.  For the first time in quite a while, I actually felt something.  After years of emotional self-preservation, I reciprocated.  I mean, it seemed like a pretty safe arrangement, a real win-win situation.

All he had to do was keep making movies.  Throw me a bone once in while, an Ennis here, a Jacob there, anything I could sink my teeth in and feed on and just feel!  I was looking forward to him becoming a director, maybe mentor some young actors, record music, just keep on living (and giving). The point is, I had plans and I was in for the long-haul.  I was even looking forward to defending him when he got old, bald and possibly Brando-fat and embarrassing.  (Of course, by then I'd be at best, a senile old man in Depends trying to feel-up disgusted orderlies, but that's beside the point.)  Instead, just like that, he dumped me.  It's interesting how selfish grief can be sometimes.

I'm still horribly sad that Heath is gone, sad for Matilda and everyone else in his life who loved him and sad for all the movies he won't be in, but to my relief I'm much less angry.  I think I'll be ok.

Thanks for allowing me this therapy, people.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 24, 2008, 04:54:20 pm
I still haven't heard it confirmed that there will even be a New York funeral.  There were people speculating that one wouldn't be held, possibly to avoid picketing by that monster Phelps (why couldn't the Lord have taken him?).  ::)

Contrary to what he and his people fervently believe, the Lord don't want him. 

Although, God does seem to have a wicked sense of humor, so He may let Phelps in when his time comes, just to let him see firsthand how many fags made it into Heaven.  After He sees the priceless look on Phelps's face, He'll quickly give him the bum's rush to Hell before he stinks up the place. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BBM-Cat on January 24, 2008, 04:55:55 pm
In SoHo, Heath Ledger was scruffy loner
BY MEHRNOOSH TORBATNEJAD and CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

"We were surprised, we never knew he was an actor," manager Max Barrsi said. "He was practically here all the time for coffee . . . always very nice with us."



WOW, is it possible?! LOL. Seriously, it reflects Heath was a down-earth guy who didn't tout his celebrity status...


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 24, 2008, 04:57:59 pm

I'm still horribly sad that Heath is gone, sad for Matilda and everyone else in his life who loved him and sad for all the movies he won't be in, but to my relief I'm much less angry.  I think I'll be ok.

Thanks for allowing me this therapy, people.

And thank you...we're all therapy for each other, right now. Thank God for Bettermost!

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 24, 2008, 04:59:22 pm
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Thank God for Bettermost
You can say that twice and mean it!!!!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 24, 2008, 05:25:12 pm
I've been reading through the last 10 pages or so and there's so much I'd like to comment on, but I'll have to limit myself to this:

I don't know how Heath died. [  ] ........No matter what the truth is, it won't change my view of Heath.  He gave us Ennis, and for that, I will be eternally grateful.         
Yes. That sums up my opinion. I do sincerely HOPE it wasn't suicide, because it would be terrible to think that Heathfound himself in such a dark, lonely, hopeless emotional place.... but nothing points to suicide in the credible news reports I've read. Otherwise, - whatever the reason for his tragic and untimely death, that neither defines nor diminishes what he gave us and what he achieved in his life.


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From Oilgun
I'm still horribly sad that Heath is gone, sad for Matilda and everyone else in his life who loved him and sad for all the movies he won't be in, but to my relief I'm much less angry.  I think I'll be ok.

It's very good to hear that. :)  In time, we all will be OK, I hope. Though it's gonna take some time getting there, I can feel.  :-\
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on January 24, 2008, 05:28:27 pm
oilgun, I totally identify with your post.  I feel somehow...thwarted.  A good life lesson for us all, I guess.  Still, you had me laughing at this: I was even looking forward to defending him when he got old, bald and possibly Brando-fat and embarrassing.  (Of course, by then I'd be at best, a senile old man in Depends trying to feel-up disgusted orderlies, but that's beside the point.)  ;D

What you said makes me think "only the good die young". Which probably means Fred Phelps will still be tormenting us when he's 120 years old.

Ah, but he will die someday.  Nobody gets outta here alive.  And when he does, I hope that Hell he is so fond of describing has its mouth open wide to receive his tastiness.   ;)   (http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/Emoticons/devilchomping.gif)


Contrary to what he and his people fervently believe, the Lord don't want him. 

Although, God does seem to have a wicked sense of humor, so He may let Phelps in when his time comes, just to let him see firsthand how many fags made it into Heaven.  After He sees the priceless look on Phelps's face, He'll quickly give him the bum's rush to Hell before he stinks up the place. 

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 24, 2008, 05:50:32 pm
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Ah, but he will die someday.  Nobody gets outta here alive.  And when he does, I hope that Hell he is so fond of describing has its mouth open wide to receive his tastiness.     



Quote from: smellykellyjay on Today at 03:54:20 PM
Contrary to what he and his people fervently believe, the Lord don't want him. 

Although, God does seem to have a wicked sense of humor, so He may let Phelps in when his time comes, just to let him see firsthand how many fags made it into Heaven.  After He sees the priceless look on Phelps's face, He'll quickly give him the bum's rush to Hell before he stinks up the place. 


     

I love it!!
I think there is a special room in the deepest darkest part of hell for him and his ilk!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kd5000 on January 24, 2008, 06:01:29 pm
I just had hoped Phelps and his ilk would have drifted away to Guyana with kool aid, but he unfortunately remains a disgrace to my country.   Don't think he's allowed in Sweden or Ireland.  I hope Australia does likewise.

There has to be a ninth circle for ppl like him...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: southendmd on January 24, 2008, 06:02:38 pm
  ...I'm angry that I let myself be sucked into the Heath universe only to be dumped just when it was getting really good. 

The bastard seduced me with his amazingly affecting, open and generous performances. They were so effective that I began to return the favour.  I let my guard down, opened up and made an emotional commitment.  For the first time in quite a while, I actually felt something.  After years of emotional self-preservation, I reciprocated.  I mean, it seemed like a pretty safe arrangement, a real win-win situation.


Let it out, Gil!  I bet you'll find that, in the long run, you're enriched by letting Heath into your life, as much as it hurts now. 

The parallels scream out:  Ennis counted on Jack always being there, but, shit happens!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 24, 2008, 06:39:26 pm
{{{OILGUN}}}

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 24, 2008, 07:06:03 pm
Thank you Eric for posting the link.


I know it's silly, but I feel like saving all those pics on my Heath album. Somehow I fear they might be gone soon.
Of course I won't, but I admit I have saved many pics the last two days. I've seen them often before (and had saved some), but I always thought they'd be around the net and around BetterMost always. Just like I thought Heath will be around, you know?



You know, i think I said this earlier in the thread but I do hope that someone close to Michelle and Matilda are saving all those pap photos.. because as you say they'll likely dissapear within a few years - certainly the more pap on the street catches him walking along soho ones..  :(


 ah yes here it is...

But one concellation - there are so many pap pics of her with her daddy and with her daddy and mummy and her mummy and daddy together - book loads. These will dissapear over time I'm sure - by the time she goes to try and collect them many will have dissapeared from websites. I hope someone close has the hindsight to collect all these lovely pap photos.

Yes, paps can be the devil, but in this case they've recorded what a doting father he was - matilda will be able to see that from the photos.


((((OILGUN))))) We're here for you - don'c close up on us or anyone else - leave that legacy fior Heath.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Dagi on January 24, 2008, 07:32:24 pm
What counts, once we pass, is whether we leave traces of love.

Albert Schweitzer
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 24, 2008, 08:00:32 pm
O Me!  O Life!

O me!  O life!  Of the questions of these recurring.
Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fill’d with the foolish,
Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I, and who more faithless?)
Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the struggle ever renew’d,
Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see around me,
Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined,
The question, O me! so sad, recurring – What good amid these, O me, O life?

Answer

That you are here, that life exists and identity,
That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse. 

-- Walt Whitman

That was quite a verse Heath contributed.  What will our verse be?

thank you gary, for that.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 24, 2008, 09:37:39 pm
In SoHo, Heath Ledger was scruffy loner
BY MEHRNOOSH TORBATNEJAD and CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Thursday, January 24th 2008, 2:16 AM

To most of the world, Heath Ledger was an A-list Hollywood star, but in SoHo he was a scruffy specter who wandered the cobblestone streets mostly alone.

"I didn't know he was an actor," said Camile Angelo, the host at the Grotta Azzurra Ristorante at Mulberry and Broome Sts., where Ledger often ate breakfast. "He was always the first customer. He was always here alone."

Ledger moved to a SoHo loft from Boerum Hill, Brooklyn, last year after splitting with girlfriend Michelle Williams and quickly became linked to a slew of starlets and models.

But when Angelo saw the "Brokeback Mountain" star last Thursday, the actor had only his cell phone and iPod for company.

"I told him to stop text messaging because his steak and eggs were getting cold," Angelo said. "He smiled."

Liz Bullis, sales manager of Gourmet Garage on Broome St., said she sometimes saw Ledger with his 2-year-old daughter, Matilda. He usually wore ragged jeans, an old jacket, brown boots and a stubbly chin, but when she spotted Ledger buying organic sausages and bagging his own groceries Monday, he'd cleaned up his act a bit.

"He's usually very scruffy, but he was clean shaven," Bullis said.

The Miro Cafe on Broadway was another Ledger haunt. Once again, the unfailingly polite young man gave no inkling he was somebody special.

"We were surprised, we never knew he was an actor," manager Max Barrsi said. "He was practically here all the time for coffee . . . always very nice with us."

At the Spring Street Natural Restaurant, a bartender who asked not to be identified said Ledger often came by in the evening for a drink, which he nursed at a table in the back. He didn't stand out in the crowd.

"We have a lot of celebrities here," he said.


(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/Heath%20Memory/GrottaAzzura.jpg)

God help me. I've just lost it again. I can't take much more of this. Is it just me? Am I reading more into this than I should, or had Heath turned into Ennis? The polite, shuffling, scruffy, solitary, lonely figure, nursing his drink, all alone, at a table in the back. I'm not coping with this. This is too sad for me to comprehend.  :'(   :'(   :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 24, 2008, 09:42:18 pm
He may have liked the area because -- not so many camera guys to contend with.

What about this:

Quote
But when Angelo saw the "Brokeback Mountain" star last Thursday, the actor had only his cell phone and iPod for company.

I read that he just got in from London on Sunday -- so how could they have seen him last Thursday?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 24, 2008, 09:43:21 pm
don't just focus on one thing.

think about what Christopher Plummer said. 

I'm sure there was some Ennis in Heath, but I'm sure there was also some Jack in Heath, and some Casanova, and millions and millions of other separate and unique pieces that made him whole.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 24, 2008, 09:55:29 pm
don't just focus on one thing.

think about what Christopher Plummer said. 

I'm sure there was some Ennis in Heath, but I'm sure there was also some Jack in Heath, and some Casanova, and millions and millions of other separate and unique pieces that made him whole.

The logical part of my brain has deserted me right now. I can't stop crying at this sad, desolate image of Heath, all alone amidst one of the world's most populous cities.   :'(

   
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 24, 2008, 10:03:11 pm
The logical part of my brain has deserted me right now. I can't stop crying at this sad, desolate image of Heath, all alone amidst one of the world's most populous cities.   :'(

   

it's okay to cry and let it all out. 

i think, eventually, maybe, you will be able to feel that Heath wasn't always as alone as how you are feeling now.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 24, 2008, 10:09:05 pm
The logical part of my brain has deserted me right now. I can't stop crying at this sad, desolate image of Heath, all alone amidst one of the world's most populous cities.   :'(

But remember, other reports have him enjoying a lively nightlife, dating supermodels and the like. OK, so that's maybe not the ideal happy life either, but it's a far cry from shuffling and desolate with only electronic gadgets for company.

Plus, it seems he spent a lot of time with his daughter.



Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 24, 2008, 10:23:03 pm

I've decided that I will be sending flowers to the funeral via Interflora, wherever it's held. It gives me some small comfort. I'm guessing it'll be in Perth? Does anyone have any news of the funeral arrangements? I read that Heath's mother had traveled to NY, to accompany him home. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 24, 2008, 10:24:43 pm
I've seen a lot of reports here Kerry, that it could be held in the chapel of his old school.....Guildford Grammar...in Perth.......
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 24, 2008, 10:30:43 pm
I've seen a lot of reports here Kerry, that it could be held in the chapel of his old school.....Guildford Grammar...in Perth.......

Thank you, Sue.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: delalluvia on January 24, 2008, 10:37:49 pm
The logical part of my brain has deserted me right now. I can't stop crying at this sad, desolate image of Heath, all alone amidst one of the world's most populous cities.   :'(

   

Kerry, please try to think positively about this.  We all know Heath wanted to be in a town where he could be just another Joe.  He didn't want to stand out with a posse of friends in popular places.  Maybe he liked doing these things alone.  He wasn't completely isolated.  Someone commented how he let his food go cold while text-messaging.  He was obviously talking to someone.  I myself take myself out to dinner and lunches quite regularly.  I don't even have an ipod or cell phone.  I just have a book and I'm perfectly content.  I enjoy being a 'regular' in places that know what I want to order the minute I come in the door.  I can't speak for Heath of course, but some people are naturally loners and it isn't a burden at all.  It's much easier to be one in a large city than a small one.   
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 24, 2008, 11:45:39 pm
OK, 'm gonna stick my neck out here. . .

I was blown away reading this thread last night - most posts were about how we are all grieving the loss of Heath.  I just read the last nine pages posted today and IMHO, I think many of the posts are off-topic.  They should be on a new thread called "Baseless speculation on how Heath died" and "Why we all  justifiably hate Fred Phelps."  I, too am very curious about the cause of death, but we really won't know anything more until the medical examiner's report is released.  And, the fewer times I read any references to Fred Phelps, the better.

Let's continue on grieving (the process of feeling or expressing great sadness, especially when someone dies) and writing about our feelings about this terrible tragedy.

Pete
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 25, 2008, 12:12:26 am
To all my Bettermost family members:

I just want to take this time to tell you all how much I love you!
Some of you I have met and hugged and some I have only responded to your posts and some I have just seen your names on threads.
But you all have become part of my story, the fabric of my life. You have helped me through the darkest days of my life and have lifted me up when I couldn't find the strength within myself to stand. You have shared tragedy and joy with me. Even through the tragic loss of Heath, whom I will always hold in a special place, you have rallied to support me as well as each other. You have become my family.
So, thank you all, I love each and every one of you very much.
Richard
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 25, 2008, 12:14:53 am
(((Rich)))  :-*  :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 25, 2008, 12:18:00 am
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCJAVlESEo[/youtube]

I think this says a lot...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 25, 2008, 12:22:40 am
Kerry, please try to think positively about this.  We all know Heath wanted to be in a town where he could be just another Joe.  He didn't want to stand out with a posse of friends in popular places.  Maybe he liked doing these things alone.  He wasn't completely isolated.  Someone commented how he let his food go cold while text-messaging.  He was obviously talking to someone.  I myself take myself out to dinner and lunches quite regularly.  I don't even have an ipod or cell phone.  I just have a book and I'm perfectly content.  I enjoy being a 'regular' in places that know what I want to order the minute I come in the door.  I can't speak for Heath of course, but some people are naturally loners and it isn't a burden at all.  It's much easier to be one in a large city than a small one.   

Logically, I know I will get through this. We all will, in time. And we'll be left with wonderful memories of Heath. Happy memories that time will never change, nor diminish.

I was very moved by your pic, "Ave atque vale." Some 12 years ago, I lost a dear friend, Andy, to a tragic, early death. Though we knew he was terminally ill, nothing really can fully prepare you for the death of a loved one, be they young or old. As part of my therapy, I felt the overpowering need to immortalise him, by dedicating a painting to his loving memory. I titled that painting, "Ave atque vale" (Hail and farewell). It is primarily inspired by the beautiful words of Kahlil Gibran, "For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun?"

I would like to post my painting here, now, with a special dedication to Heath. Ave atque vale, Heath.

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/AveAtqueVale-1995.jpg)
"Ave Atque Vale"
(For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun?)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: tforster on January 25, 2008, 12:35:07 am
I rarely post here - but I'm a prolific lurker... it has been comforting the last few days to read so many moving tributes and to know there are others who feel as I do... unfortunately, I cannot openly grieve for Heath (and Ennis) in my real life as I'd like to -  so I'm very thankful that this community is here as well as a few others... no matter how ethereal these places may seem, they provide real solace.
Rest In Peace Heath/Ennis
~ Tom Forster
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: KristinDaBomb on January 25, 2008, 12:46:06 am
It still feels like a bad dream.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: EDelMar on January 25, 2008, 02:03:17 am
Please come to the memorial service Sat Feb 9 in Denver,

http://www.heathandjackie.com/

Check it out.  More details coming on a separate thread here at BetterMost as well.

  -Adam
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 25, 2008, 02:16:56 am
I rarely post here - but I'm a prolific lurker... it has been comforting the last few days to read so many moving tributes and to know there are others who feel as I do... unfortunately, I cannot openly grieve for Heath (and Ennis) in my real life as I'd like to -  so I'm very thankful that this community is here as well as a few others... no matter how ethereal these places may seem, they provide real solace.
Rest In Peace Heath/Ennis
~ Tom Forster


Hi Tom,
I remember you and your story. It's good to see you here.

(((Tom)))

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 02:57:07 am
Hi Tom, I remember your name.  Good to have you back.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 02:58:17 am
You all, I am feeling a little less surreal, I think.  But having the truth beginning to sink in doesn't feel better.  Pete, thanks for guiding us back to topic.  :-*


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 25, 2008, 03:07:47 am
You all, I am feeling a little less surreal, I think.  But having the truth beginning to sink in doesn't feel better. 

You know, I'm bouncing back and forth between this surreal, stunned, not believing state of mind and yes, sadly, slowly the news sinking in and starting to get true. I think it's even more horrible. I still don't want to believe.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: adrian on January 25, 2008, 03:08:16 am
Adrian, :-*  Holding the horse means more to me now than ever.  Thank you again for your generosity.

My pleasure.   :)



Now, that little horse is even more special to me.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: adrian on January 25, 2008, 03:13:21 am
To all my Bettermost family members:

I just want to take this time to tell you all how much I love you!
Some of you I have met and hugged and some I have only responded to your posts and some I have just seen your names on threads.
But you all have become part of my story, the fabric of my life. You have helped me through the darkest days of my life and have lifted me up when I couldn't find the strength within myself to stand. You have shared tragedy and joy with me. Even through the tragic loss of Heath, whom I will always hold in a special place, you have rallied to support me as well as each other. You have become my family.
So, thank you all, I love each and every one of you very much.
Richard


Beautifully said, Richard.  Likewise.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 05:11:04 am
Hey, I went over to IMDb and invited grieving Heathens on the Heath page and the BBM page to come visit us.  If that draws any trolls, just click on "Report to Moderator" within their post, and poof, gone.  But hopefully, it'll help some people who could use the support.



On the Heath page --> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005132/board/flat/95833061


On the BBM page --> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795/board/flat/95833279
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 05:28:33 am
Hey, I went over to IMDb and invited grieving Heathens on the Heath page and the BBM page to come visit us.  If that draws any trolls, just click on "Report to Moderator" within their post, and poof, gone.  But hopefully, it'll help some people who could use the support.


On the Heath page --> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005132/board/flat/95833061


On the BBM page --> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795/board/flat/95833279



The IMDb Heath page is moving so fast, that my invitation is already on page 3, just 25 minutes after I posted it.  If you could maybe follow the link and say sumpn, it would bump it to the top again.  I just think we are a port in a storm here.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BANNER ROAD on January 25, 2008, 05:35:03 am
Test message from me
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 05:45:04 am
Test message from me

You sure are, Bud.

Hey Gary, thanks for your post on the invitation over at IMDb.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 25, 2008, 05:56:47 am
Responding to the article BY MEHRNOOSH TORBATNEJAD and CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS WRITERS


in SoHo he was a scruffy specter who wandered the cobblestone streets mostly alone.
 

No: to me, he always dressed funky.  He occasionally had long hair but always his own unique style.  He dressed like lots of twenty-somethings!  And wandering alone?  He required to fulfil a certain role, that of ‘hot, young actor’.  He probably enjoyed the peace and quiet!

"I didn't know he was an actor"
 

I can’t imagine Heath ever using the phrase, “do you know who I am?”.  He was a normal, down to earth guy regardless of his career. 

"He was always the first customer. He was always here alone."
 

Sorry, but you can pretty much always catch me at Starbucks at 8 a.m., enjoying a skinny latte and muffin.  Alone.  Wakening up. 

the actor had only his cell phone and iPod for company.
 

My iPod is my favourite gadget in the world, it’s my best friend walking to work.  And a cell phone?  If he was such a loner, why would he have a method of communication!

"I told him to stop text messaging because his steak and eggs were getting cold," Angelo said. "He smiled."
 

Text messaging with a friend, and then smiling when it is pointed out to him.  That is not the behaviour of someone who is alone and sad. 


"He's usually very scruffy, but he was clean shaven," Bullis said.

 

Oh dear, imagine that.  Maybe he felt his beard was getting too long. 

In SoHo, Heath Ledger was scruffy loner

"We were surprised, we never knew he was an actor," manager Max Barrsi said. "He was practically here all the time for coffee . . . always very nice with us."
 

Down to earth, nice guy-no time for celebrity and fame.

At the Spring Street Natural Restaurant, a bartender who asked not to be identified said Ledger often came by in the evening for a drink, which he nursed at a table in the back. He didn't stand out in the crowd.

"We have a lot of celebrities here," he said.

If he went to a regular bar, he would have been mobbed by fans.  By going to a bar, with a celebrity clientele, he was able to stand back from the crowd and enjoy a quiet drink. 



Guys, Heath was (gulp) a credit to his profession, a true gentleman who was a normal guy, enjoying normal things.  He liked his own company to eat.  He enjoyed music.  He liked to blend in with Joe Public in order to detract attention from his celebrity status.  I respect that and appreciate his quiet ways.

Sorely missed.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 05:59:35 am
I was thinking that "he was always the first customer" signified insomnia, not waking up early in a satisfying way.

[Elle posts at 2am.]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 25, 2008, 06:02:36 am
I was thinking that "he was always the first customer" signified insomnia, not waking up early in a satisfying way.

[Elle posts at 2am.]

Hi Elle, I know it's so hard just now, but try and get some sleep.  It's awfully late. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 25, 2008, 06:39:42 am
Acknowledging and expressing our anger and sadness are good things.  We should not avoid those things.  But neither should we hold onto our anger and sadness for too long.  It may be hard to let go, and it may seem like we're being disrespectful when we laugh or think of something else, but we have to begin the process of moving on.     

I’m struggling here Gary.  I pop onto the forum for five minutes here and there because I’m finding it so hard to keep it together. 

I am so angry at the speculation and rumours in the papers about his death.  I just think it’s so disrespectful to his memory.  I don’t know if it was suicide, overdose, illness, whatever.  He passed away, he lost his life REGARDLESS of the cause. 

I’m so terribly sad for him, his family and for the fans.  But I feel selfish for grieving for him.  What right do I have?  I didn’t know him, I never met him.  I am grieving and feel bad for doing so. 

How do we move on?  I guess we just continue to support one another, but I feel as if his memory is being tarnished by reporters (I posted earlier today about an article a member kindly quoted).

I can’t think of what else to say because I feel so overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 25, 2008, 07:41:52 am
We're all very sad about Heath's death, but I get the sense that some of us are taking it especially hard.  So I wanted to share a couple of things at this time.  I lost my mother almost four years ago.  She was placed on life-support after contracting pneumonia following treatment from breast cancer.  When there was no improvement after eight days we decided to pull the plug.  My sister and I stayed by her bedside while she passed.  After it was over we went out to the waiting room to be with our father and several other family members.  I sat by myself and stared off into space.  It seemed so unreal and I thought I was about to lose my mind.  Then my cousin, a very wise woman in her sixties, came and sat down beside me.  She embraced me, and told me she knew that I loved my mother very much, and she told me what a good woman my mother had been.  She acknowledged my pain, and she said this loss was something that was going to take me a long time to get over.  And then she started talking about her efforts to lose weight on the Atkins diet. 

This may seem like a rather suptid thing to bring up given the situation.  I had just watched my mother die, and here she was chattering away about the Adkins diet.  But her words grounded me, and pulled me back from the edge of hopelessness.  She was reminding me that there was more to life than pain and grief, and you know what, within a few minutes I, too, was talking about the Atkins diet.  Her little trick worked, and I'll always be grateful.

Acknowledging and expressing our anger and sadness are good things.  We should not avoid those things.  But neither should we hold onto our anger and sadness for too long.  It may be hard to let go, and it may seem like we're being disrespectful when we laugh or think of something else, but we have to begin the process of moving on. 

I've battled clincal depression most of my adult life, and I can tell you that focusing on your pain for too long can make your brain sick.  You might fall into a state of despire that you can't get out of on your own.  So go on and morn for Heath, cry for him, and curse the heavens if you must, but every now and then you should force yourself to get your mind off of it.  Find a way to laugh again.  That's what Heath would have wanted.

Hugs,
Gary       

Thank you for that lovely message, Gary. You too are wise, like your cousin. Thank you, friend.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 07:48:17 am
Gary, you have written many deeply insightful and comforting posts over the last few days. They've been good to read. A sincere thank you.

~~

Have you all seen that the DC Board is taking out a half-page ad in Variety the upcoming Tuesday in memory and gratitude to Heath?

I'm so glad they're doing that.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 07:56:03 am
Gary, you have written many deeply insightful and comforting posts over the last few days. They've been good to read. A sincere thank you.

~~

Have you all seen that the DC Board is taking out a half-page ad in Variety the upcoming Tuesday in memory and gratitude to Heath?

I'm so glad they're doing that.


Can you post a link about it, Mika?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 08:00:28 am
Sure. it's here:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=28516.0
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 25, 2008, 08:10:46 am
This may seem like a rather suptid thing to bring up given the situation.

Not at all, I think she was a very clever woman.  I remember when a family friend (a Yorkshire man who was larger than life) died, his brother stood up at the funeral and read out every single nickname he had ever been called during his lifetime.  I recognised some, some were personal and some were a little rude.  He had asked around all of his late brother's friends and family for these names and simply read them all out.  And then sat down.  Everybody was in stitches, laughing.  It is what he would have wanted and everyone remembered how much fun he was.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 08:39:18 am
I must say I'm mightily saddened (no, to be honest, I'm angry!!) - at the behaviour of this woman who found Heath. In a situation where time is so incredibly of the essence and every second counts, she lost her head and spent too much precious time acting (in hindsight) rather irrationally. I don't know if it could have made any difference, probably not. But still it's so  tragic to think that those minutes were wasted.

Let's hope, if any of us land in a similar situation, we will not waste time but call 911 and start administering CPR.

Quote
From Leslie, in the news thread:

From the Associated Press, by way of the New York Times:

January 25, 2008

NYPD: 4 Calls to Olsen Instead of 911

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 7:02 a.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- The massage therapist's first call on finding a lifeless Heath Ledger wasn't to 911. Nor was her second. Nor her third, police said.

A day before a Friday private viewing for the 28-year-old actor, police said the masseuse spent nine minutes repeatedly ringing ''Full House'' actress Mary-Kate Olsen before calling authorities for help.

The masseuse called Olsen a fourth time after paramedics arrived -- at the same time as Olsen's security guards.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2008, 08:45:14 am
And, Mika, if she had been a trained and licensed massage therapist, which apparently she was not, she would have had to be certified in CPR and first aid. Presumably she would have had her wits about her a bit more and known what to do. Oh well...

From the accounts I read, he was probably dead at that point anyway, so speedier phone calls and more prompt resuscitation efforts would have likely not made a difference. I suppose that is some sort of comfort. Sigh.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 25, 2008, 08:45:51 am
I must say I'm mightily saddened (no, to be honest, I'm angry!!) - at the behaviour of this woman who found Heath. In a situation where time is so incredibly of the essence and every second counts, she lost her head and spent too much precious time acting (in hindsight) rather irrationally. I don't know if it could have made any difference, probably not. But still it's so  tragic to think that those minutes were wasted.

Let's hope, if any of us land in a similar situation, we will not waste time but call 911 and start administering CPR.



Yes I have to say I agree with you. 9 minutes trying to ring a friend? I mean, for Christs sake, Heath is laying there unconcious and she,s ringing a friend instead of 911??  ??? Those vital minutes could have made a difference, but now we,ll never know. :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2008, 08:48:22 am
This will probably drive you all right off your rockers--I am not going to post the news story because it made me so flipping angry to read--but Mary-Kate Olsen was spotted at a New York bar last night, smooching with some guy on the dance floor.  >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 25, 2008, 08:51:43 am
This will probably drive you all right off your rockers--I am not going to post the news story because it made me so flipping angry to read--but Mary-Kate Olsen was spotted at a New York bar last night, smooching with some guy on the dance floor.  >:(

Oh come on!!!!!!! FFS. What a heartless cow!!!! Well I hope she had a hangover this morning. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2008, 08:58:25 am
Oh come on!!!!!!! FFS. What a heartless cow!!!! Well I hope she had a hangover this morning. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Yes, good wish. Massive hangover. The kind that makes you feel like your skull will explode if you lift your head off the pillow.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on January 25, 2008, 09:07:50 am
This will probably drive you all right off your rockers--I am not going to post the news story because it made me so flipping angry to read--but Mary-Kate Olsen was spotted at a New York bar last night, smooching with some guy on the dance floor.  >:(

I just makes me wonder what kind of state Heath was in to be hanging around people like that.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 25, 2008, 09:09:55 am
Yes, good wish. Massive hangover. The kind that makes you feel like your skull will explode if you lift your head off the pillow.

Here here. I hope she looks like this too.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on January 25, 2008, 09:36:00 am
Were they even real friends? I had never heard about them being friends.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2008, 09:44:22 am
Were they even real friends? I had never heard about them being friends.

Supposedly they met in 2006 and have been friendly since then. They started "hooking up" the past few months, dating casually and not exclusively. And they both smoke Marlboro reds.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 25, 2008, 10:57:07 am
Yes I have to say I agree with you. 9 minutes trying to ring a friend? I mean, for Christs sake, Heath is laying there unconcious and she,s ringing a friend instead of 911??  ??? Those vital minutes could have made a difference, but now we,ll never know. :'(
This is all coming hard and fast so if I missed somthing please forgive me.
I'm not coming to the aid of the massuse at all here, but it was my understanding Heath had already gone by the time she got there? Am I wrong? lord I hope so! Because if he was still alive and she wasted precious time calling someone other than 911 or a doctor..... well, to put it as nice as possible, she should be brought up on charges! >:(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 11:07:28 am
I had a look at the Dark Knight's homepage. This is the only thing there at present:

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/HeathMemorial.html


I think it's very lovely. Simple, eloquent.
Dignified.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 11:15:39 am
I'm not coming to the aid of the massuse at all here, but it was my understanding Heath had already gone by the time she got there?


Well, it's impossible to know when exactly he died. One news report said he was "cold" when he was found - but they also went on about pills strewn about, rolled-up dollar bills and lots of other garbled non-truths or half-truths, so all that has to be taken with a grain of salt. More like a kilo of salt.

The point is that the right thing to do if one finds someone not breathing and in cardiac arrest, is to call 911 and start CPR without delay, and to don't stop till the ambulance arrives. People have been saved and are alive and well today even if they were "dead" - if those who found them knew what to do and did it right away, and professional medical tems got on the scene quickly to re-start the heart...

So although it's impossible to say it would have made a difference if this woman had done the right thing, it's also impossible to say it wouldn't have made a difference - at least at this stage of what we know. And that is an uncomfortable thought.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: opinionista on January 25, 2008, 11:17:17 am
I posted this before but I'm not sure if anyone read it. A lot of news rooms have access to the emergency services radio. All newspapers have a section for police news. That is crime, accidents, suicides and the like. Everytime someone makes a call to 911, the newsroom knows about it through the radio. I don't think they hear the actual call but the call the operator makes to the police, the ambulance and the firemen about whatever is going on.  I worked at a small spanish language newspaper in NYC and they had that radio so imagine the bigger ones like the Daily News, the New York Times. TMZ definitely has that radio.

Most celebrities know about it. I have been told that everyone works closely for any celebrity has to sing a confidentiality contract that means not just not talking about their private lives to the press but also that they are required to follow some silly protocol or procedure in order to ensure privacy. That includes not calling 911 right away. I think that's why the masseuse called Mary Kate Olsen and she sent her private security people to assist Heath instead of calling 911.

The masseuse called 911 shortly before 3.30 pm. By 4.30 pm there was already a mob outside Heath's building probably because the press found out about it through the radio. They know where celebrities live. Maybe they didn't know at first it was Heath but they knew it was someone important. That's precisely what the masseuse and Mary Kate Olsen were trying to avoid. I agree that she should've called 911 right away but we don't know the constraints the masseuse was in when she found Heath passed out, so lets cut her some slack. I think it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Granted she might have saved Heath life but also would've risked losing her job. The problem here is the system. I think the police should not grant the press so much access to information, and ban the use of such radios in the newsrooms.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: opinionista on January 25, 2008, 11:18:40 am
I had a look at the Dark Knight's homepage. This is the only thing there at present:

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/HeathMemorial.html


I think it's very lovely. Simple, eloquent.
Dignified.


That made me cry! Thanks for posting Mikaela.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 25, 2008, 11:19:34 am
That made me cry! Thanks for posting Mikaela.
Me too!
So freaking sad!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 11:23:28 am
Quote
I posted this before but I'm not sure if anyone read it. A lot of news rooms have access to the emergency services radio. All newspapers have a section for police news. That is crime, accidents, suicides and the like. Everytime someone makes a call to 911, the newsroom knows about it through the radio. I don't think they hear the actual call but the call the operator makes to the police, the ambulance and the firemen about whatever is going on.  I worked at a small spanish language newspaper in NYC and they had that radio so imagine the bigger ones like the Daily News, the New York Times. TMZ definitely has that radio.

Most celebrities know about it. I have been told that everyone works closely for any celebrity has to sing a confidentiality contract that means not just not talking about their private lives to the press but also that they are required to follow some silly protocol or procedure in order to ensure privacy. That includes not calling 911 right away. I think that's why the masseuse called Mary Kate Olsen and she sent her private security people to assist Heath instead of calling 911.

The masseuse called 911 shortly before 3.30 pm. By 4.30 pm there was already a mob outside Heath's building probably because the press found out about it through the radio. They know where celebrities live. Maybe they didn't know at first it was Heath but they knew it was someone important. That's precisely what the masseuse and Mary Kate Olse were trying to avoid. I agree that she should've called 911 right away but we don't know the constraints the masseuse was in when she found Heath passed out, so lets cut her some slack. I think it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Granted she might have saved Heath life but also would've risked losing her job. The problem here is the system. I think the police should not grant the press so much access to information

I understand all that, but I'm honestly not ready to cut her some slack anyway. When a human being's life was so very obviously at stake, she should have let media concerns and job concerns and instructions concerning privacy take second row. I understand what kind of worry and pressure she must have felt, but I don't accept what she did. It was simply wrong. Just IMO.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 25, 2008, 11:24:28 am
I agree, Natali (with everything but the last sentence -- I think the press should  have access). But I feel sorry for the masseuse. It sounds like she was trying to do what she thought was the right thing. It probably wasn't, but it was a high-pressure situation. I feel for her, with people all over the world practically blaming her for murdering the man.

Now Mary-Kate is a different story. Can't say I feel too sorry for her.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: opinionista on January 25, 2008, 11:31:59 am
I agree, Natali (with everything but the last sentence -- I think the press should  have access).


There's no need for the press to know right away if someone is taken to the hospital for whatever reason. It doesn't matter if you're famous. I think it is pretty humilliating to have a bunch of people taking picture of you being carried out of your home into an ambulance looking like shit or in a black bag. If you're dead you obviously wont know about it but your relatives would. It's painful enough to lose someone and then have to see that over and over and over again in the news. That's my point. Now, for other stories like fires, hurricanes etc, fine but not for this.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 25, 2008, 11:41:29 am
I had a look at the Dark Knight's homepage. This is the only thing there at present:

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/HeathMemorial.html


I think it's very lovely. Simple, eloquent.
Dignified.



Thank you Mika, for posting the link. Between reading and seeing so much cr*p, I'm thankful to see lovely, well thought and appropriate articles or memorials like this one. And what a lovely picture they put up.


It hurts to see such lovely done things, it hurts to read the cr*p. It just hurts.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 25, 2008, 11:42:05 am
There's no need for the press to know right away if someone is taken to the hospital for whatever reason. It doesn't matter if you're famous. I think it is pretty humilliating to have a bunch of people taking picture of you being carried out of your home into an ambulance looking like shit or in a black bag. If you're dead you obviously wont know about it but your relatives would. It's painful enough to lose someone and then have to see that over and over and over again in the news. That's my point. Now, for other stories like fires, hurricanes etc, fine but not for this.

I agree with you. I think it,s appalling that the press have access to these emergency calls. I also think it,s terrible having pics of Heath being taken from his apartment in a body bag, plastered all over the internet/papers for the world to see. To these newspapers, it,s just another story. To his family, friends and millions of people all loved him it,s just heartbreaking. I think the tabloid press are all parasites anyway. (I know Heath hated them too) As soon as the paramedics brought his body out, the cameras were flashing. And I still think it,s appalling that this woman didn,t call 911 first. He may or may not have been dead when she made those calls, but surely, if you find someone unconcious, your first instinct is to call an ambulance? As we,ve said, we,ll never know if it would have made any difference or not, BUT she still should have called them first and worried about the damn friend later. Poor Heath.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 12:27:32 pm
Re Mary Kate Olsen dancing and smooching in a club last night -

I want to cut everyone slack in how they immediately handle shock and grief.  I have never been a bar and club person, but I sure see that some are.  I imagine she was just trying to feel better, and that it had nothing to do with disrespect for Heath.  Part of my way of handling this for the first two days was to eat too much ice cream and surf Google News.  I imagine there are others who have been drinking more, or watching more TV, or who popped an extra pill, or are spending even more time doing Sudoku.  We just do what we can.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 25, 2008, 12:33:05 pm
I want to cut everyone slack in how they immediately handle shock and grief.  I have never been a bar and club person, but I sure see that some are.  I imagine she was just trying to feel better, and that it had nothing to do with disrespect for Heath.

Good point.

Quote
  Part of my way of handling this for the first two days was to eat too much ice cream and surf Google News.

Don't let the tabloids get ahold of this juicy tidbit!  ;D


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: oilgun on January 25, 2008, 12:49:36 pm
Still, you had me laughing at this: I was even looking forward to defending him when he got old, bald and possibly Brando-fat and embarrassing.  (Of course, by then I'd be at best, a senile old man in Depends trying to feel-up disgusted orderlies, but that's beside the point.)  ;D


Thanks Meryl, I thought it was pretty funny myself.  I had just watched Away From Her I guess that's why I put that in, one of my biggest fears is being stricken with dementia.

I also appreciate the words of support from everyone else.  I feel so much better today, still sad, but healthy sad.  I could actually look at the EW cover with the gorgeous Heath photo, and smile.  I think I might even get it framed.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 25, 2008, 01:14:52 pm
The point is that the right thing to do if one finds someone not breathing and in cardiac arrest, is to call 911 and start CPR without delay, and to don't stop till the ambulance arrives.

For people who are in an "I want to do something" mode, getting trained in CPR (or getting re-trained, if you're like me) might help. (It might help with the grieving, and it might mean that you'll be able to make a difference for someone else someday.)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 25, 2008, 01:23:27 pm
For people who are in an "I want to do something" mode, getting trained in CPR (or getting re-trained, if you're like me) might help. (It might help with the grieving, and it might mean that you'll be able to make a difference for someone else someday.)

Good idea, Mel. Where's the best place to look for local classes? And how many hours of training are required?


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on January 25, 2008, 01:33:17 pm
Good idea, Mel. Where's the best place to look for local classes? And how many hours of training are required?

I think it's a six-hour course or so? I suspect Leslie or another health professional knows. It includes infant CPR and restricted airway training, too.

Groups that teach classes:

American Red Cross: http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/courses/ (http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/courses/)
American Heart Association: http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3011764 (http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3011764)

CPR is also covered in first aid, wilderness first aid, and wilderness first responder classes. One of the times I took it, it was taught by a nurse who was part of the local volunteer ambulance squad. Another time, it was taught by the head lifeguard at a beach where I worked. But I think the Red Cross and the AHA make it easy to look for classes on the web. For anyone in a small town, the local emergency service groups (fire, search & rescue, etc) probably would know.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 25, 2008, 01:40:14 pm
Thanks, Mel! I always meant to take infant CPR when my sons were small. But like most of my ideas, it never come to pass.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 02:09:47 pm
Anyone else thinking that the Memorial Service that is supposedly going to be held in Los Angeles is going to be the Paps' wet dream?  :-\ I wonder how they wiill manage keeping that sufficiently private and dignified. I hope that it doesn't turn into a loud disrespectful media circus....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 25, 2008, 02:11:48 pm
Los Angeles = loud disrespectful media circus....
I don't see how it will be anything but.  :-\
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 25, 2008, 02:33:03 pm
Anyone else thinking that the Memorial Service that is supposedly going to be held in Los Angeles is going to be the Paps' wet dream?  :-\ I wonder how they wiill manage keeping that sufficiently private and dignified. I hope that it doesn't turn into a loud disrespectful media circus....

If you're looking for a private and dignified memorial service, one will be held in Denver on February 9, officiated by our own RodneyWY! Check out the Grieving Forum for all the details or go to http://www.heathandjackie.com/ (http://www.heathandjackie.com/).

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 25, 2008, 02:47:04 pm
Heath is dead. Do you f!cking understand!!!!!!!!!!!

 you are chatting some nonsense. where is the grief?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ennisjack on January 25, 2008, 02:55:53 pm
  I also think that it's a disgrace to his memory that the first time his family even knew he was dead was when they turned on the tv to watch the news.

EJ
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 25, 2008, 02:57:38 pm
you are chatting some nonsense. where is the grief?

What you said!!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on January 25, 2008, 03:00:34 pm
  I also think that it's a disgrace to his memory that the first time his family even knew he was dead was when they turned on the tv to watch the news.

EJ

I agree. When I think of what a shock I got when I heard the news on the radio news wednesday morning, I can't imagine what that must have been like for his family. And now, being caught up in such a media circus.
It's heartbreaking.  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on January 25, 2008, 03:02:36 pm
Heath is dead. Do you f!cking understand!!!!!!!!!!!

 you are chatting some nonsense. where is the grief?


Who are you angry at, Nikita? Who is chatting nonsense?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 25, 2008, 03:08:11 pm
Heath is dead. Do you f!cking understand!!!!!!!!!!!

 you are chatting some nonsense. where is the grief?

I think all of us are grieving and we all process it in our own way. Understanding and compassion on everybody's part seems to be what is needed now.

Thanks.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 25, 2008, 03:12:45 pm
*sigh*

People grieve in different ways. Some by getting angry, apparently, some by rationalizing aspects leading to their grief, and then others in every nuance of grief expression inbetween.

Everyone here is grieving. Otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Please don't let's fight over the proper way to grieve. There isn't one.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on January 25, 2008, 03:47:18 pm
Sure enough. As Elle posted somewhere (maybe on this thread, for all I know), even Mary-Kate Olsen's tabloid-reported night of partying might have been her way of dealing with grief. It's not for us to judge.

To each her/his own.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 25, 2008, 04:28:25 pm
I for one I become obsessed with news articles and videos on sites I would never go too. I'm ashamed I look at them but I just can't help myself - I also joke when I'm nervous or adgitated.

Nakita - we undertand your pain.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 25, 2008, 04:51:21 pm
That's precisely what the masseuse and Mary Kate Olsen were trying to avoid. I agree that she should've called 911 right away but we don't know the constraints the masseuse was in when she found Heath passed out, so lets cut her some slack. I think it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Granted she might have saved Heath life but also would've risked losing her job.

Maybe the wrong time...but this hogwash turns me from sad to mad. "risking her job" takes priority over a man's life? The idea that one could even think such garbage makes me sick. If the masseuse did delay in calling for help knowing help was needed, it could be a homicide. Screw her job.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 25, 2008, 05:31:30 pm
I had a look at the Dark Knight's homepage. This is the only thing there at present:

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/HeathMemorial.html


I think it's very lovely. Simple, eloquent.
Dignified.


thanks for the link.  a picture i don't think i've seen before. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 25, 2008, 06:00:15 pm
Just thought I'd share this - so young, so Ozzie, such a cutie...... go here and then click on the Heath Ledger link

http://seven.com.au/homeandaway/videos-category
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: oilgun on January 25, 2008, 06:07:50 pm
Just thought I'd share this - so young, so Ozzie, such a cutie...... go here and then click on the Heath Ledger link

http://seven.com.au/homeandaway/videos-category

Very sweet!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kd5000 on January 25, 2008, 06:14:18 pm
Well I'm sure there will an exploitative book coming out very soon on Heath Ledger to cash in on his recent passing. They usually are cheaply done, bad writing, many inaccuracies, etc etc.

I've read an enormous amount on the net the past couple of days, but have limited by TV watching on Ledger to Entertainment Tonight.  I know they have a reputation for being pushy and "exclusive," but it beats the other tabloid TV shows out there.

I guess ppl must know I'm a Heath fan because as soon as I call a friend/acquaintance, they say "Oh, I was so sorry to hear about Heath Ledger." :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 25, 2008, 07:49:43 pm
*sigh*

People grieve in different ways. Some by getting angry, apparently, some by rationalizing aspects leading to their grief, and then others in every nuance of grief expression inbetween.

Everyone here is grieving. Otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Please don't let's fight over the proper way to grieve. There isn't one.

I agree, very well said. People do grieve in different ways. For myself I have become rather withdrawn from everything. But I am beginning to realize that although Heath along with Ennis is gone I still have all those thoughts and memories and nobody can take those away. It's still hard though and I know I get angry when some of the news and some people act like he is not worth any grieving cause he played a gay cowboy. In my so called diverse university setting even mentioning Heath's passing would suddenly mean you are gay just because of one role.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 25, 2008, 08:47:17 pm
"Whadda we meant to do now, huh?"

It hasn't got any easier.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RodneyWY on January 25, 2008, 09:25:07 pm
In case you haven't gotten the word, the Denver Brokies are hosting a joint memorial service for Heath and our dear Jackie on Saturday, February 9, in the City of Denver.  For more information and contact (RSVP) info, please click on the banner below.  Come to Denver and celebrate with us the lives of our dear departed friends.

Rodney
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 25, 2008, 09:44:56 pm
This is all coming hard and fast so if I missed somthing please forgive me.
I'm not coming to the aid of the massuse at all here, but it was my understanding Heath had already gone by the time she got there? Am I wrong? lord I hope so! Because if he was still alive and she wasted precious time calling someone other than 911 or a doctor..... well, to put it as nice as possible, she should be brought up on charges! >:(

I'm thinking a charge of involuntary manslaughter would be appropriate. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 25, 2008, 09:49:30 pm
I had a look at the Dark Knight's homepage. This is the only thing there at present:

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/HeathMemorial.html


I think it's very lovely. Simple, eloquent.
Dignified.


 :'(     :'(     :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 25, 2008, 09:55:18 pm
I agree, Natali (with everything but the last sentence -- I think the press should  have access). But I feel sorry for the masseuse. It sounds like she was trying to do what she thought was the right thing. It probably wasn't, but it was a high-pressure situation. I feel for her, with people all over the world practically blaming her for murdering the man.

Now Mary-Kate is a different story. Can't say I feel too sorry for her.



How's that old saying go, "The road to Hell is strewn with good intentions." If she was a masseuse, shouldn't she have known CPR? I can't get my head around the enormity of the repercussions of her inaction right now. In fact, to be very honest, I am feeling an extremely heightened level of hostility towards her. Forgive me. Can't help it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 25, 2008, 10:07:52 pm
I agree with you. I think it,s appalling that the press have access to these emergency calls. I also think it,s terrible having pics of Heath being taken from his apartment in a body bag, plastered all over the internet/papers for the world to see. To these newspapers, it,s just another story. To his family, friends and millions of people all loved him it,s just heartbreaking. I think the tabloid press are all parasites anyway. (I know Heath hated them too) As soon as the paramedics brought his body out, the cameras were flashing. And I still think it,s appalling that this woman didn,t call 911 first. He may or may not have been dead when she made those calls, but surely, if you find someone unconcious, your first instinct is to call an ambulance? As we,ve said, we,ll never know if it would have made any difference or not, BUT she still should have called them first and worried about the damn friend later. Poor Heath.  :'(

I work in a large hospital where very sick people come for treatment. Occasionally, they do not respond to that treatment and they die. Their bodies then have to be transported from the ward/theatres where they died to the morgue in the basement. Though there are special service elevators to do this, the body still has to be wheeled though a public ward area to get to that elevator. In order to negate any distress at seeing a body being wheeled out of a ward in a plastic bag, we use specially designed trolleys with short sides on all four sides and a cloth cover draped over it. So all that's seen is a cloth covered, box-shaped trolley. There is no body shape visible. Why can't this sort of item be used by the emergency services? I will be haunted by the sight of Heath's body bag for ever now. Image how his family felt, seeing that on the media.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: delalluvia on January 25, 2008, 10:45:13 pm
I'm trying to rearrange my thinking on some of the most anger inducing actions of people in this horrible event:

The ambulance guys - I was absolutely floored when I saw them rush the gurney off the curb and watched Heath's poor head bounce up and down.  I was angry at the masseuse.  I bitterly complained to my sister, who has also been following the stories and she - of all people - helped me with a different POV:

The rough treatment by the ambulance guys?  "You saw all the cameras flashing, they were probably trying to rush him to the ambulance to keep those buzzard paparazzi guys from taking all these morbid pictures."

The masseuse?  "Well, Heath hired her.  Maybe because she wasn't licensed or trained in CPR she had cheaper rates.  Plus according to her, he was already cold when she finally touched him.  No CPR in the world was going to save him by then."

I know the stages of grief, and anger is one of them, but like most accidental deaths, there is really no one and nothing to be angry at - except the Fates, the gods - who maybe loved him much more than we - and of course, insensitive photogs and blathering media personalities, but they had nothing to do with - I almost wrote 'Ennis' - Heath's death.  You just feel so helpless.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 25, 2008, 10:47:03 pm
i put this on another thread and apparently it works for you in america.....to get the Australian news homepage on Yahoo......use he link.....www.yahoo.com.au...(add the "au") at the end......there is a whole segment of news items there on Heath...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 25, 2008, 11:11:16 pm
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BBM-Cat on January 25, 2008, 11:25:24 pm
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?

Absolutely Clarissa - my brain still cannot process 'Heath' and 'dead' in the same sentence. My mind keeps replaying the moment Mike told me about Heath's death right after I got home from work on Tuesday evening. He assumed I knew about it. My mind replays his question, 'you heard Heath Ledger died, right?'. I must have repeated it half a dozen times aloud, along with, "he's what?", but it still didn't sink in. It still does not. So yes, I know exactly what you mean. Total and utter disbelief. My brain won't accept, and neither will my heart.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on January 25, 2008, 11:51:35 pm
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?

I feel the same way.  Thanks for taking the word "dead" out of the original thread title.  It helps.  I'd edit out the word in the News thread, too, but it's Phillip's and I'd feel presumptuous.   :(

This still does not compute, not at all.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 26, 2008, 12:02:04 am
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?
I so know what you mean.
It's so surreal.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 26, 2008, 12:19:08 am
I can't comprehend the two words together either....it just still seems like it can't be true. When I saw it, it was just like I at first ignored it, almost like it was just something that was being said, but wasn't true. And then I keep feeling this urge to withdraw, cause it just seems like sometimes it has all ended, but I keep saying I have to go on and remember what he gave us, what we have to remember, and that in a very extremely sad way that this is another chapter in the life that the movie and Heath gave us. In some ways it is almost like we have been given another sad tragedy to work ourselves through, to try to figure out, to try and understand somehow. It just seems so ironical that after all these feelings Brokeback Mountain gave us over a tragedy that should have not happened in the movie that we now have to face it in real life. And then to think on top of that we lost Jack (Jake) in the movie and now we loose Heath (Ennis) in real life. Somehow it just seems too surreal. And what makes it even worse is that I don't feel that Heath was happy in his life and then I think about how Ennis was unhappy in his life. It really is a lot to handle.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: tiveronicax2 on January 26, 2008, 12:22:26 am
there is an emptiness inside me since I heard the news and HBO showed Brokeback early this AM -and I realized you never know what life has in store for you, how ironic to see Ennis mourn his lost love, never knowing the  thousands who would shortly quietly say, Heath....I swear....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 26, 2008, 12:31:30 am
there is an emptiness inside me since I heard the news and HBO showed Brokeback early this AM -and I realized you never know what life has in store for you, how ironic to see Ennis mourn his lost love, never knowing the  thousands who would shortly quietly say, Heath....I swear....

You sure cannot speak truer words........who would have ever thought that we would all be saying Heath.......I swear.......

Believe me, it would be so hard for me to watch that movie right now........

I just never thought anything like this would happen..........
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RedAzaelia on January 26, 2008, 01:01:32 am
Quote
I just never thought anything like this would happen..........

Same here. I can't believe it.

I really regret not connecting to this community sooner, since you all seem like such nice people. It's such a downer that it's through this tragedy that I finally find this place.

I feel really numb right now. I wish I could watch the movie, but I don't think I'd be able to make it all the way through...or even past the first 15 minutes. It might help me get the good cry I've been wanting, but unable to manage...but it hurts too much to even think about it.

Heath...

Heath...I swear...

 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: malina on January 26, 2008, 01:03:13 am
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?

Hi Clarissa..

It is so surreal.. those words together. I keep having my own variation of that double take.. I look at the words, not just 'dead', but 'grieving', 'funeral'... anything that says 'death'... and I ... oh dear, this is a bit odd,  but I think, what if it was a week ago, say, and I had suddenly flashed forward in time and come onto the boards and seen those words... how shocking it would be.

Okay, that description probably doesn't make much sense. hmm. I guess what I mean is, every time I see the words, they are freshly shocking... almost as if I didn't know... so I flash back to the time when I really didn't know, because it hadn't happened yet, and that seems so recent, and yet so far... way on the other side of some divide.

I look at a pairing of words like "Heath's funeral", and my mind just wants to scream, "WHAT????? How could Heath be having a funeral??"

It is so strange, because I have had people close to me die... several people, and one who was extremely close. But I don't think I've ever been quite as bewildered by a death as I am by this one. That whole "how could this happen?" reaction.

 :(

How could this happen?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on January 26, 2008, 01:03:29 am
I can't comprehend the two words together either....it just still seems like it can't be true. When I saw it, it was just like I at first ignored it, almost like it was just something that was being said, but wasn't true. And then I keep feeling this urge to withdraw, cause it just seems like sometimes it has all ended, but I keep saying I have to go on and remember what he gave us, what we have to remember, and that in a very extremely sad way that this is another chapter in the life that the movie and Heath gave us. In some ways it is almost like we have been given another sad tragedy to work ourselves through, to try to figure out, to try and understand somehow. It just seems so ironical that after all these feelings Brokeback Mountain gave us over a tragedy that should have not happened in the movie that we now have to face it in real life. And then to think on top of that we lost Jack (Jake) in the movie and now we loose Heath (Ennis) in real life. Somehow it just seems too surreal. And what makes it even worse is that I don't feel that Heath was happy in his life and then I think about how Ennis was unhappy in his life. It really is a lot to handle.

What Jack said.  :(  :(  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 26, 2008, 02:36:01 am

I've been trying to get my head around why I'm experiencing the level of grief I am right now. Never in my life before have I felt this saddened by the passing of a celebrity, someone I never knew personally. And perhaps that's the nub of it. In a weird, metaphysical kinda way, I do  feel like I knew Heath. No, not because he was a fellow Australian. No, I think the reason I feel this way is because I always felt an extremely close, intimate even, bond with Ennis. With no disrespect to the loving memory of our dear Heath, I think my extreme grief may be coming from the feeling I have that it's Ennis who has died. That it is, in fact, Ennis who I am mourning.

Here's a little farewell gift, just from me to you, little darlin'. Safe journey home, precious one.

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/0092.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on January 26, 2008, 02:48:45 am
I just found this:
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: magicmountain on January 26, 2008, 03:42:35 am
A tribute from Luke Davies, scriptwriter for Candy.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23108546-28737,00.html
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 26, 2008, 04:50:37 am
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/suekat777/australianflag.gif)  (http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/suekat777/heathbbm.jpg)

Once a jolly swagman camped by a Billabong
Under the shade of a Coolabah tree
And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
"Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?"


Australia Day...2008

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 26, 2008, 05:10:51 am
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?


Exactly. I know exactly what you mean because it's just the same for me. I can't even bring myself to write those words and Heath' name in one sentence.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 26, 2008, 05:32:49 am
I've known the chorus of "Waltzing Matilda" since I was pre-verbal, but don't remember ever noting the verses til tonight.  It's got a sheep integral to the storyline.   :-\

There are many very varied renditions of it on YouTube.  This one was both sweet and explanatory for us non-Australians.

Waltzing Matilda
Tommy Emanuel


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6R1sXdIpUA[/youtube]

It's worth going and looking at some of the other versions on YouTube.  Plenty being sung at rugby (I think it's rugby) matches, and plenty at memorial services too.  It is impossible to not sing along with, and in both the rugby versions and the memorial versions, you can usually catch someone wiping a tear.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ZK on January 26, 2008, 05:33:53 am
I am so sad, I can't read this thread, I am so indebted to Heath for BBM and unknowingly, in my life.

God Bless and God Speed

Matt
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on January 26, 2008, 05:35:47 am
Oh God. I can't begin to describe what it's like to read all your replies here. You are all feeling exactly what I'm feeling and that's just comforting.

I have the same feeling when I see the name "Heath" and the words "Death" and "Funeral" in one sentence. Just like Elle, I think "WHAT? HEATH WHAT?" because in my mind, it's still not true, it can't be true. It's like your mind is playing tricks on you, making you realise the harsh fact over and over again. And that hurts so much. It hurts so much to see his beautiful face everywhere, that face full of promise of so many great things to come.

I agree with Jack. Even though I strongly believe that Heath did NOT commit suicide, I do believe he was feeling unhappy. I have a strong feeling that he was too sensitive for this world, that things overwhelmed him sometimes and that with taking on difficult roles he was wearing himself down. I just hope that he had lots of people to talk to about it. 

There's a song by Jake Holmes that reminds me so much of this struggle:

Jake Holmes - Just as lost as me
Shadow eyes, in cloaks of answers
Withold their secrets eloquently
Here's a song for all the people
Just as lost as me
 
The easy way the knowing glances
Seeing light that i can't see
Here's a song for all outsiders
Just as lost as me
 
Private doors, straight and narrow minds
No matter how you look
To see you must be blind
Hide and seek
The king has got new clothes
Everybody understands, and everybody knows
 
Here's a song for walking wounded
Just as lost as me


*hugs* to you all......
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 26, 2008, 07:02:55 am
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?

uh-huh...

I'm trying to rearrange my thinking on some of the most anger inducing actions of people in this horrible event:

The ambulance guys - I was absolutely floored when I saw them rush the gurney off the curb and watched Heath's poor head bounce up and down.  I was angry at the masseuse.  I bitterly complained to my sister, who has also been following the stories and she - of all people - helped me with a different POV:

The rough treatment by the ambulance guys?  "You saw all the cameras flashing, they were probably trying to rush him to the ambulance to keep those buzzard paparazzi guys from taking all these morbid pictures."

The masseuse?  "Well, Heath hired her.  Maybe because she wasn't licensed or trained in CPR she had cheaper rates.  Plus according to her, he was already cold when she finally touched him.  No CPR in the world was going to save him by then."

I know the stages of grief, and anger is one of them, but like most accidental deaths, there is really no one and nothing to be angry at - except the Fates, the gods - who maybe loved him much more than we - and of course, insensitive photogs and blathering media personalities, but they had nothing to do with - I almost wrote 'Ennis' - Heath's death.  You just feel so helpless.

Yup - you're right He's gone - there is no point in blaming the massusse the ambulance guys, they did the best they could. Unfortunately it was never going to bring him back.  :-\

I agree, very well said. People do grieve in different ways. For myself I have become rather withdrawn from everything. But I am beginning to realize that although Heath along with Ennis is gone I still have all those thoughts and memories and nobody can take those away. It's still hard though and I know I get angry when some of the news and some people act like he is not worth any grieving cause he played a gay cowboy. In my so called diverse university setting even mentioning Heath's passing would suddenly mean you are gay just because of one role.

Jack - we are here for you. We all know being shot off from people did heath no good. Don't let this close you off for ever.

And lastly, hello and welcome RedAzaelia.....  :-* :-*

Same here. I can't believe it.

I really regret not connecting to this community sooner, since you all seem like such nice people. It's such a downer that it's through this tragedy that I finally find this place.

I feel really numb right now. I wish I could watch the movie, but I don't think I'd be able to make it all the way through...or even past the first 15 minutes. It might help me get the good cry I've been wanting, but unable to manage...but it hurts too much to even think about it.

Heath...

Heath...I swear...

 :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 26, 2008, 07:32:56 am
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?

Yes, that's it in a nutshell! I think that's why I have been surfing the net all the time and looking at all the message boards. A combined kind of "I have to come to terms with this soon" and "What!?! It CAN'T be true, and I can't process it" feeling. Reality is so entirely surreal that subconsciously I've been waiting for an equally surreal "Nope - it's not true, he's alive!!! " statement.

I looked at the full Ellen deGeneres clip from 2006, where she gives Heath a tiny Ennis costume for Matilda. That's been one of my favourite talkshow clips and I've seen it many times, lighthearted, alive.... Heath seemed quite at ease there, and so alive... and seemed so uncomfortable in many other interview situations.
I still can't wrap my mind around this.

This is so completely unlike me. Reacting with such intense grief for days on end. I normally am a very held-together person, also in emotionally distressing situations.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's the very fact that I didn't know him personally, he was an actor and I saw him in so many films, films where people died although they're walking around doing well inn RL today - perhaps that is a part of the reason for that which blurs the edges of reality of what has happened.

And yes, one week ago I remember someone commented how the Heath Heath Heath thread had become so active of late, nearly overtaking Jake's thread in number of posts - and never ever could I have imagined the horrible reason that Heath's thread would shoot past Jake's.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 26, 2008, 07:40:39 am
Does anybody else here keep having the experience of going, "WHAT?  HEATH LEDGER WHAT?" practically every single time you see the horrible words?  I have found out the terrible news over and over again, each time new.  Can anyone else understand what I mean?

It's so unbelieveable, unreal.  I was watching the news before I went to work and the presenter's words were, "The actior, Heath Ledger, has been found...[sorry, not going to finish with the word we all know comes next]".  But I knew as soon as she said his name, I knew in my stomach.  It was like slow motion and I just didn't want to see the rest of the broadcast.

Actually, the one thing I couldn't get out of my mind for the first hour that day was that I felt I had abandoned him.  This sounds SOOO stupid, but I always watch the ten o'clock news before going to sleep and the day he passed away,  I didn't.  I said to my hubby that I was too tired to watch and went to sleep.  I didn't find out until the next morning and I feel like I let him down, I should have known about it sooner and thought of him before I did.

Everyone here helps so much.  As soon as I got to work, I popped into chat.  It was busy, but quiet, not really chatting at all.  Everyone just taking time and occasionally saying something about the sadness and disbelief.  It was so comforting knowing they were there, thinking the same as me, feeling the same as me. 

I am only just now feeling that I can get involved and althuogh the disbelief is still present, it's starting to sink in.  So thank you everyone for still being here, now that I feel ready to talk properly again. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 26, 2008, 07:42:53 am
I normally am a very held-together person, also in emotionally distressing situations.

Me too. 

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Rayn on January 26, 2008, 07:55:31 am
I've been trying to get my head around why I'm experiencing the level of grief I am right now. Never in my life before have I felt this saddened by the passing of a celebrity, someone I never knew personally. And perhaps that's the nub of it. In a weird, metaphysical kinda way, I do  feel like I knew Heath. No, not because he was a fellow Australian. No, I think the reason I feel this way is because I always felt an extremely close, intimate even, bond with Ennis. With no disrespect to the loving memory of our dear Heath, I think my extreme grief may be coming from the feeling I have that it's Ennis who has died. That it is, in fact, Ennis who I am mourning. Here's a little farewell gift, just from me to you, little darlin'. Safe journey home, precious one.

Dear Kerry,

     I feel the same way, as you and others too.  It's like Ennis died, and I never realized I LOVED him until he died.  Others have even gone as far as to say appropriately, "Ennis (or Heath) I swear..."   Why did I love him?  To understand this is to come to terms with feelings hard to get at or comprehend, but I know, as a writer myself, that art touches the heart and mind and sometimes changes lives.  Heath was a great artist, as great as Annie Proulx who gave him the character he brought to life.  His own skills at communicating feelings, meaning, depth of character and mind were just beginning to reach a peak that would have continued to heighten had he lived.  The impact of his untimely death is all the stronger and harder to accept because of that.

     I remember meeting the great folk singer Judy Collins in a situation that allowed a conversation with her.  Part of what I told her was that I "felt" as if I knew her.  She wanted to know what I meant.  I told her that I had listened to and lived with her music for years and that she had given so much of herself in her art, so I felt I "knew" her from her art.  This is a fact.  A singer, poet, actor, artist gives mind, heart and spirit in creating art.  We in fact, did know Health; we knew that part of him he gave in films. That is the miracle of art.  He gave us "Ennis" as no other would and, I believe, no other could.  It was part of his reason for being alive.   Ennis is alive, he lives in the art Heath Ledger gave us.

     There is great sadness at the loss of such a person, but I am grateful for his gifts.  The disbelief some of us feel is part of the grieving process that happens when a great loss occurs and a great loss has happened to anyone who was touched my Ledger's intelligent spirit, probing mind and deep heart.  I've come again to this thread because of grief.  I need to let go and go on.  We all, in our own time, will do that.   I'm offering this prayer by John Donne, beautiful words of a great poet for a beautiful man.  I've edited two words to fit the occasion.   For me it says what I need to say right now... 

    Bring him, O Lord God, at last awakening,
into the house and gate of heaven,
to enter into that gate and dwell in that house where there shall be
no darkness nor dazzling, but one equal light;
no noise nor silence, but one equal music;
no fears nor hopes, but one equal possession;
no ends nor beginnings, but one equal eternity...

Farewell, Heath...
Your gift was like friendship to me, thank you for giving so generously of yourself.   

Rayn

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 26, 2008, 08:09:42 am


Bring him, O Lord God, at last awakening,
into the house and gate of heaven,
to enter into that gate and dwell in that house where there shall be
no darkness nor dazzling, but one equal light;
no noise nor silence, but one equal music;
no fears nor hopes, but one equal possession;
no ends nor beginnings, but one equal eternity...

Farewell Heath, I felt I knew you like a friend; thank you for giving so generously of yourself.     

Rayn


Thank you, Rayn, for your beautiful, comforting message.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 26, 2008, 08:24:21 am
A Scot's Farewell

When I come to the end of the road
And the sun has set for me
I want no tears in a gloom-filled room
Why cry for a soul set free?

Miss me a little but not for long
And not with your head bowed low
Remember the love that we once shared
Miss me but let me go.

For this is a journey we all must take
And each must go alone
It’s all a part of the master plan
A step on the road to home.

When you are lonely and sick of heart
Go to the friend we know
And bury your sorrows in doing good deeds
Miss me … but let me go …



Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Rayn on January 26, 2008, 08:32:56 am
You're welcome Kerry, and thank you for helping me deal a bit more with the process.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 26, 2008, 08:54:54 am
I've just watched  Brokeback Mountain.....one of the cable movie stations is showing five of Heath's movies today....

Earlier I watched "10 Things I Hate about You"......and all I could see was this beautiful young man, so full of life, full of  future...a smile that was so wide it seemed to go from one ear to the other...what a lovely lovely young man.

Even though I have a well worn copy of the dvd of BBM, I wanted to watch it on TV.....I think because I knew that there were others out there watching it at the same time.....for some a repeat viewing, and for some, a first viewing....and I was hoping that some of those people out there watching it with me, would get the message, get the same feeling I got two years ago.....I knew it must be happening to someone, maybe many, out there, I just knew.

This time, though, when I watched it, it was always on my mind, that Heath was now gone...

I actually looked at things, and saw things in the movie in a way that I had never seen them before that related to how I am feeling NOW, TODAY.
I felt the frustration that Jack was feeling, as he tried to cling on to Ennis, hanging on to the few moments he shared with him, and the emptiness he felt when it was time to say good-bye. After the dozy embarace scene, when Ennis said, "Ive got to go now"....I wanted to yell, "no no dont go"and as Jack watched him leave, I felt the emptiness even more than I have felt it before for him, becasue now, I could really feel that emptiness.

When I heard the song "I Dont Want to Say Good-bye"...I thought, "thats it, I DONT want to say good-bye".....

When I watched the second tent scene, and the reunion scene, I thought of the closeness, the intimacy, that Jake and Heath must have felt doing those scenes.....I know they were only acting, but, their lips still touched, their arms still wrapped around each others bodies, they had to feel something special there.

When I heard the song at the end "He Was a Friend of Mine"....so poignant....so true.

When I read all the posts here, I feel like I did when I first joined the board, and read what people were feeling after they watched the movie....THEN it was "hey, thats how I felt, hey, thats what I was feeling"....and NOW its, "yes, I am feeling that too, I am saying that too".....

There seems no reason nor explanation as to why this has happened to Heath....he wasn't old, he wasn't sick, its like, it was a mistake, a terrible terrible mistake.....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 26, 2008, 09:02:35 am
I've just watched  Brokeback Mountain.....one of the cable movie stations is showing five of Heath's movies today....

Earlier I watched "10 Things I Hate about You"......and all I could see was this beautiful young man, so full of life, full of  future...a smile that was so wide it seemed to go from one ear to the other...what a lovely lovely young man.

Even though I have a well worn copy of the dvd of BBM, I wanted to watch it on TV.....I think because I knew that there were others out there watching it at the same time.....for some a repeat viewing, and for some, a first viewing....and I was hoping that some of those people out there watching it with me, would get the message, get the same feeling I got two years ago.....I knew it must be happening to someone, maybe many, out there, I just knew.

This time, though, when I watched it, it was always on my mind, that Heath was now gone...

I actually looked at things, and saw things in the movie in a way that I had never seen them before that related to how I am feeling NOW, TODAY.
I felt the frustration that Jack was feeling, as he tried to cling on to Ennis, hanging on to the few moments he shared with him, and the emptiness he felt when it was time to say good-bye. After the dozy embarace scene, when Ennis said, "Ive got to go now"....I wanted to yell, "no no dont go"and as Jack watched him leave, I felt the emptiness even more than I have felt it before for him, becasue now, I could really feel that emptiness.

When I heard the song "I Dont Want to Say Good-bye"...I thought, "thats it, I DONT want to say good-bye".....

When I watched the second tent scene, and the reunion scene, I thought of the closeness, the intimacy, that Jake and Heath must have felt doing those scenes.....I know they were only acting, but, their lips still touched, their arms still wrapped around each others bodies, they had to feel something special there.

When I heard the song at the end "He Was a Friend of Mine"....so poignant....so true.

When I read all the posts here, I feel like I did when I first joined the board, and read what people were feeling after they watched the movie....THEN it was "hey, thats how I felt, hey, thats what I was feeling"....and NOW its, "yes, I am feeling that too, I am saying that too".....

There seems no reason nor explanation as to why this has happened to Heath....he wasn't old, he wasn't sick, its like, it was a mistake, a terrible terrible mistake.....

Very well said Katie. That,s exactly what I think, that Heaths, untimely death was simply a terrible accident. One that has left his family and close friends, devastated. As for us, I think it,s fair to say we are all shellshocked. That,s how I feel anyway, shellshocked. I also can,t get that last song they play at the end of BBM, when Ennis shuts the wardrobe door in the trailer, out of my mind. It seems crazy to mourn the death of someone I didn,t even know, except on the telly, but I can,t help it. I just feel so sad. Poor little Matilda will have to grow up without her daddy. Michelle will have to find the strenght to go on without him somehow, and as for Jake, he must be in bits. Has anyone heard anything from him yet? Being in the UK I don,t have access to your news stations.
God bless brown eyes.  xxxxxx
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 26, 2008, 09:21:05 am
I think because I knew that there were others out there watching it at the same time

It's the sense of community that we have which helps.

I was hoping that some of those people out there watching it with me, would get the message, get the same feeling I got two years ago.....I knew it must be happening to someone, maybe many, out there, I just knew.

It's Heath's legacy.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 26, 2008, 09:25:18 am
It seems crazy to mourn the death of someone I didn,t even know, except on the telly, but I can,t help it.

You did know him Souxi, you knew his art.

Being in the UK I don,t have access to your news stations.

Where are you?  Kelda and I are planning to meet in Glasgow next week.  Are you close?

God bless brown eyes.  xxxxxx

Sleep peacefully
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 26, 2008, 09:29:47 am
Where are you?  Kelda and I are planning to meet in Glasgow next week.  Are you close?

 ;D so weirds that we work one street from each other...

Souxi is England - but we ARE meeting at the train station if you wish to take a long train journey and join us Souxi!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 26, 2008, 09:38:12 am
;D so weirds that we work one street from each other...

Souxi is England - but we ARE meeting at the train station if you wish to take a long train journey and join us Souxi!

I,m right at the oposite end of the country in Essex Kelda.  Couldn,t be further away from Scotland if I tried could i? :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Cameron on January 26, 2008, 09:51:45 am
I was starting to feel a little better yesterday, somehow I was feeling like it just was meant to be.  But this morning I feel so sad again.  I am starting to wonder what it will be like in a few days from now, when the coverage all over will really stop, I hope it doesn't get even harder then.

I think that people have said this before, but I guess what I am trying to think at least, is that he was just too sensitive and soulful and special to be here on this earth for too long.  Thinking like that does sort of help a little, sometimes.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 26, 2008, 10:01:45 am
Starry Night

by Don McLean

Starry, starry night.
Paint your palette blue and grey,
Look out on a summer's day,
With eyes that know the darkness in my soul.
Shadows on the hills,
Sketch the trees and the daffodils,
Catch the breeze and the winter chills,
In colors on the snowy linen land.

Now I understand what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they did not know how.
Perhaps they'll listen now.

Starry, starry night.
Flaming flowers that brightly blaze,
Swirling clouds in violet haze,
Reflect in Vincent's eyes of china blue.
Colors changing hue, morning field of amber grain,
Weathered faces lined in pain,
Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand.

Now I understand what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they did not know how.
Perhaps they'll listen now.

For they could not love you,
But still your love was true.
And when no hope was left in sight
On that starry, starry night,
You took your life, as lovers often do.
But I could have told you, Vincent,
This world was never meant for one
As beautiful as you.

Starry, starry night.
Portraits hung in empty halls,
Frameless head on nameless walls,
With eyes that watch the world and can't forget.
Like the strangers that you've met,
The ragged men in the ragged clothes,
The silver thorn of bloody rose,
Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow.

Now I think I know what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on January 26, 2008, 10:49:22 am
I was starting to feel a little better yesterday, somehow I was feeling like it just was meant to be.  But this morning I feel so sad again.  I am starting to wonder what it will be like in a few days from now, when the coverage all over will really stop, I hope it doesn't get even harder then.

I think that people have said this before, but I guess what I am trying to think at least, is that he was just too sensitive and soulful and special to be here on this earth for too long.  Thinking like that does sort of help a little, sometimes.

I think at that point, we should begin to figure out how we as fans here at Bettermost can celebrate Heath's life and honor his memory, so that in some way (however small), we can try to complete some of Heath's unfinished life through our own. 

Dave Cullen's group is running an obituary next week in Variety (they've already raised the needed funds), and they have begun a new "Project Matilda." 

I think it would be nice if Bettermost came up with a "memorial" project as well.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 26, 2008, 11:14:59 am

This time, though, when I watched it, it was always on my mind, that Heath was now gone...

I actually looked at things, and saw things in the movie in a way that I had never seen them before that related to how I am feeling NOW, TODAY.
I felt the frustration that Jack was feeling, as he tried to cling on to Ennis, hanging on to the few moments he shared with him, and the emptiness he felt when it was time to say good-bye. After the dozy embarace scene, when Ennis said, "Ive got to go now"....I wanted to yell, "no no dont go"and as Jack watched him leave, I felt the emptiness even more than I have felt it before for him, becasue now, I could really feel that emptiness.

When I heard the song "I Dont Want to Say Good-bye"...I thought, "thats it, I DONT want to say good-bye".....

When I watched the second tent scene, and the reunion scene, I thought of the closeness, the intimacy, that Jake and Heath must have felt doing those scenes.....I know they were only acting, but, their lips still touched, their arms still wrapped around each others bodies, they had to feel something special there.

When I heard the song at the end "He Was a Friend of Mine"....so poignant....so true.

When I read all the posts here, I feel like I did when I first joined the board, and read what people were feeling after they watched the movie....THEN it was "hey, thats how I felt, hey, thats what I was feeling"....and NOW its, "yes, I am feeling that too, I am saying that too".....

There seems no reason nor explanation as to why this has happened to Heath....he wasn't old, he wasn't sick, its like, it was a mistake, a terrible terrible mistake.....
That's so beautiful, Sue. You made me want to watch the movie again myself! I console myself by imagining Heath's soul free of worldly troubles and hurt, floating free above the world, joining the firmament of souls to bring consolation and love to all alone people everywhere, or perhaps preparing to join the world again as a fresh, new soul, perhaps as a young boy in some rural area, perhaps Wyoming...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on January 26, 2008, 11:18:24 am
Memories
Light the corners of my mind
Misty watercolor memories
Of the way we were
Scattered pictures
Of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another
For the way we were
Can it be that it was all so simple then
Or has time rewritten every line
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me - Would we? Could we?
Memories
May be beautiful and yet
What's too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget
So it's the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were
So it's the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were



Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 26, 2008, 11:31:02 am
I,m right at the oposite end of the country in Essex Kelda.  Couldn,t be further away from Scotland if I tried could i? :'(

That's a shame, it would have been lovely to meet you Souxi.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on January 26, 2008, 12:42:24 pm
he was just too sensitive and soulful and special to be here on this earth for too long. 

Hi Cameron, we haven't spoke for a little while, hope you are well.  He was so incredibly special.  I always had faith that there was a master plan, yet I can't see why he was taken from us so soon.  Some have admired him for a long time, but others have only had a couple of years and he had so much more to give.  It's heartbreaking. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 26, 2008, 02:05:37 pm
I think at that point, we should begin to figure out how we as fans here at Bettermost can celebrate Heath's life and honor his memory, so that in some way (however small), we can try to complete some of Heath's unfinished life through our own. 

Dave Cullen's group is running an obituary next week in Variety (they've already raised the needed funds), and they have begun a new "Project Matilda." 

I think it would be nice if Bettermost came up with a "memorial" project as well.


Hi Bruce,

look here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16585.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16585.0.html)

and here:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16613.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16613.0.html)

 :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 26, 2008, 02:39:13 pm
I wish to apologize to you all. i overreacted.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 26, 2008, 02:44:24 pm
there is an emptiness inside me since I heard the news and HBO showed Brokeback early this AM -and I realized you never know what life has in store for you, how ironic to see Ennis mourn his lost love, never knowing the  thousands who would shortly quietly say, Heath....I swear....

 You got me in tears again. I am so unhappy. I cannot forget him. it just brings me horrible pain.

Today I slept for few hours in the afternoon and i WOKE UP OFF SOME NIGHTMARE, MY HEART WAS PUMPING LIKE CRAZY. I HAVE SO MUCH PAIN INSIDE AND IT IS TRYING TO GET OUT BUT iT IS TOO MUCH. pOOR BABY, i MA SO DEVASTATED.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 26, 2008, 02:50:41 pm
You got me in tears again. I am so unhappy. I cannot forget him. it just brings me horrible pain.

Today I slept for few hours in the afternoon and i WOKE UP OFF SOME NIGHTMARE, MY HEART WAS PUMPING LIKE CRAZY. I HAVE SO MUCH PAIN INSIDE AND IT IS TRYING TO GET OUT BUT iT IS TOO MUCH. pOOR BABY, i MA SO DEVASTATED.

Nikita - is there someone you can talk to at home? A friend or a doctor?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 26, 2008, 03:15:03 pm
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God:  Time to get goin, cowboy.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 26, 2008, 03:32:26 pm
Nikita - is there someone you can talk to at home? A friend or a doctor?

 No, not really. They don't understand. For them it was just an actor. They don't know nothing about Brokeback.

I will die or have a nervous breakdown
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 26, 2008, 03:32:43 pm
Same here. I can't believe it.

I really regret not connecting to this community sooner, since you all seem like such nice people. It's such a downer that it's through this tragedy that I finally find this place.

I feel really numb right now. I wish I could watch the movie, but I don't think I'd be able to make it all the way through...or even past the first 15 minutes. It might help me get the good cry I've been wanting, but unable to manage...but it hurts too much to even think about it.

Heath...

Heath...I swear...

 :'(

I do hate that you had to discover us through this tragedy; however, I sure am glad you did discover us. I'm sure everyone else here will agree with that. I do believe it shows that Brokeback Mountain and Heath do live on through us. At one point I was afraid this tragedy would have tragic results for BetterMost; however, you are one of those people who actually came here after the tragedy. In fact it seems we have new people coming on as well as people who disappeared from the forum that have now returned. I am glad to see both, but I do wish it were because of more pleasant news. Anyway, welcome to BetterMost!!!

Jack
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 26, 2008, 03:39:39 pm
No, not really. They don't understand. For them it was just an actor. They don't know nothing about Brokeback.

I will die or have a nervous breakdown

Nikita - you should see your doctor - or phone the Samaritans or the equivalent in the Czech Republic (That's where you are yes?)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 26, 2008, 03:45:25 pm
No, not really. They don't understand. For them it was just an actor. They don't know nothing about Brokeback.

I will die or have a nervous breakdown

What part of the world are you in?  Maybe you're within driving distance of other Brokies.  Folks who understand !

http://www.frappr.com/bettermost/ (http://www.frappr.com/bettermost/)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: injest on January 26, 2008, 03:46:47 pm
No, not really. They don't understand. For them it was just an actor. They don't know nothing about Brokeback.

I will die or have a nervous breakdown

Niki....you need to take a break...go for a walk, ride a bicycle...do something to get some of these stress chemicals out of your body. Seriously, sweetie...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ednbarby on January 26, 2008, 04:31:31 pm
Well, I got to weeping in my car yesterday listening to this song, and thinking of two losses I've had, that are not mine to have really but are there just the same:  that of my manager and friend of the last 10 years leaving the state yesterday for another job and another dream, and of course that of Heath's passing.  The sun was just setting, and spectacularly, when the enormity of both losses in my life hit me all at once.

Shadow of the Day - Linkin Park

I close both locks below the window
I close both blinds and turn away

Sometimes solutions aren't so simple
Sometimes good bye's the only way

And the sun will set for you
The sun will set for you

And the shadow of the day
Will embrace the world in grey

And the sun will set for you

With cards and flowers on your window
Your friends all plead for you to stay

Sometimes beginnings aren't so simple
Sometimes good bye's the only way

And the sun will set for you
The sun will set for you

And the shadow of the day
Will embrace the world in grey

And the sun will set for you.

 :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RedAzaelia on January 26, 2008, 05:37:53 pm
I do hate that you had to discover us through this tragedy; however, I sure am glad you did discover us. I'm sure everyone else here will agree with that. I do believe it shows that Brokeback Mountain and Heath do live on through us. At one point I was afraid this tragedy would have tragic results for BetterMost; however, you are one of those people who actually came here after the tragedy. In fact it seems we have new people coming on as well as people who disappeared from the forum that have now returned. I am glad to see both, but I do wish it were because of more pleasant news. Anyway, welcome to BetterMost!!!

Jack

Jack, thank you so much for the welcome. I can't get over how open, kind, and welcoming people here are, even in this dark time.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on January 26, 2008, 06:15:55 pm
Starry Night

by Don McLean

Starry, starry night.
Paint your palette blue and grey,
Look out on a summer's day,
With eyes that know the darkness in my soul.
Shadows on the hills,
Sketch the trees and the daffodils,
Catch the breeze and the winter chills,
In colors on the snowy linen land.

Now I understand what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they did not know how.
Perhaps they'll listen now.

Starry, starry night.
Flaming flowers that brightly blaze,
Swirling clouds in violet haze,
Reflect in Vincent's eyes of china blue.
Colors changing hue, morning field of amber grain,
Weathered faces lined in pain,
Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand.

Now I understand what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they did not know how.
Perhaps they'll listen now.

For they could not love you,
But still your love was true.
And when no hope was left in sight
On that starry, starry night,
You took your life, as lovers often do.
But I could have told you, Vincent,
This world was never meant for one
As beautiful as you.

Starry, starry night.
Portraits hung in empty halls,
Frameless head on nameless walls,
With eyes that watch the world and can't forget.
Like the strangers that you've met,
The ragged men in the ragged clothes,
The silver thorn of bloody rose,
Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow.

Now I think I know what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will...


Oh God, Kerry, I have no more tears left...  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 26, 2008, 06:26:05 pm
[photocap by Doodler]




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/dandydoodles/timetogo.jpg)

God:  Time to get goin, cowboy.

I guess this says it all.........
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 26, 2008, 06:57:06 pm
A Scot's Farewell

When I come to the end of the road
And the sun has set for me
I want no tears in a gloom-filled room
Why cry for a soul set free?

Miss me a little but not for long
And not with your head bowed low
Remember the love that we once shared
Miss me but let me go.

For this is a journey we all must take
And each must go alone
It’s all a part of the master plan
A step on the road to home.

When you are lonely and sick of heart
Go to the friend we know
And bury your sorrows in doing good deeds
Miss me … but let me go …






That's terrific, thank you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 26, 2008, 07:11:00 pm
Jack, thank you so much for the welcome. I can't get over how open, kind, and welcoming people here are, even in this dark time.

This is when we need to pull together most... but we're a family and hope you'll be here for the happy times too.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 26, 2008, 07:11:37 pm
[photocap by Doodler]




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/dandydoodles/timetogo.jpg)

God:  Time to get goin, cowboy.


Laura and doodler, thanks for a good cry, I needed it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 26, 2008, 11:17:08 pm
Memories
Light the corners of my mind
Misty watercolor memories
Of the way we were
Scattered pictures
Of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another
For the way we were
Can it be that it was all so simple then
Or has time rewritten every line
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me - Would we? Could we?
Memories
May be beautiful and yet
What's too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget
So it's the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were
So it's the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were


 :'(   :'(   :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 26, 2008, 11:36:35 pm
Well, I got to weeping in my car yesterday listening to this song, and thinking of two losses I've had, that are not mine to have really but are there just the same:  that of my manager and friend of the last 10 years leaving the state yesterday for another job and another dream, and of course that of Heath's passing.  The sun was just setting, and spectacularly, when the enormity of both losses in my life hit me all at once.

Shadow of the Day - Linkin Park

I close both locks below the window
I close both blinds and turn away

Sometimes solutions aren't so simple
Sometimes good bye's the only way

And the sun will set for you
The sun will set for you

And the shadow of the day
Will embrace the world in grey

And the sun will set for you

With cards and flowers on your window
Your friends all plead for you to stay

Sometimes beginnings aren't so simple
Sometimes good bye's the only way

And the sun will set for you
The sun will set for you

And the shadow of the day
Will embrace the world in grey

And the sun will set for you.

 :'(

(((((Edenbarby)))))) my friend!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 26, 2008, 11:38:31 pm
[photocap by Doodler]




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/dandydoodles/timetogo.jpg)

God:  Time to get goin, cowboy.

chinkkk!!!  :'(

And congrats on joining the 1,000 posts club!! I look forward very much to your second 1,000!!!

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 27, 2008, 01:00:52 am
[photocap by Doodler]




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/dandydoodles/timetogo.jpg)

God:  Time to get goin, cowboy.


 :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RodneyWY on January 27, 2008, 01:10:08 am
Brilliant Laura!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 27, 2008, 01:37:14 am
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=nkvLq0TYiwI[/youtube]

Starry, Starry Night

Beautiful. Thank you for posting, Gary.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: louisev on January 27, 2008, 01:39:56 am

Starry, Starry Night

the actual song is called 'Vincent' fyi.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on January 27, 2008, 02:11:55 am
You're welcome, Kerry.  Wish I knew what to say or do to make the hurt go away.   :(

Hugs,
Gary

P.S.  Thanks for the info, Louise.

Can't be done, Gary. But it sure is comforting to have good friends one can lean on and cling to for support, at sad times like these.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: malina on January 27, 2008, 02:22:29 am
Gary... I have to thank you for the video about Vincent. It made me cry. It made me cry for about an hour and a half, actually... deep, wrenching sobs, and, somehow, that's a good thing... because that's the first time I've really cried since Heath's death. I teared up a couple of times, but that's all... not real crying. But somehow, something in the song and remembering the story of Vincent, it just got to the heart of what pains me the very most about Heath's death, and for reasons I can only just begin to understand. Heath was one of the beautiful ones... one of the shining, gifted, open-hearted ones ... and I just don't want the beautiful ones to suffer, and I feel like they so often do, and it feels so wrong. I want to be able to protect them, to make the world safe, to make it so they don't have to leave us. And I know no one can do that. We can just live and die trying, and create as much love and safety and understanding as we can... that's all.

I had a friend who commited suicide about eleven years ago now. Heath's death was reminding me of that, and I didn't quite know why - I thought it was just the shock of it.. both were deaths that I was totally unprepared for - and the fact that both died so young. My friend was 27, the same age as me.. back then, I mean. Not now. lol. Sorry for the incoherence. Although, I guess, he still IS 27, while I'm pushing 40..

Anyway... he was beautiful and brilliant... so brilliant, he won a full scholarship to Princeton, which was kind of a big deal for someone who wasn't even American. But he hated it there, and only stayed one term. It was like he couldn't find the place in the world that was for him, and I don't know if he would have found it eventually if he'd stuck around for a little longer, or if the opposite would have been true... if the world would have started feeling less and less like somewhere he could stay.

But I don't think that of Heath.. not exactly. He did find his place, and the world did understand. I just want the world to keep on understanding, to keep loving him. And I see so much vulnerability in the way he died, and I want to rush in and protect him somehow. And Vincent. And all of us.

And I have a headache now, and I've maybe been rambling incoherently, but I just needed to let you know that your choice to post that video was, for me anyway, inspired and perfect.

xo m.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: roryennis on January 27, 2008, 03:08:25 am
I found this poem and it made me think of Heath.

THE ENCOUNTER

Though the man appeared quite handsome,
With charms none could deny,
It was spirit bright within him,
The Light that caught my eye.

He didn't know his Essence,
Both magnificent and strong,
Was a treasure earth awaited
In patience for so long.

I sensed his innate power,
Emanating from the Source,
A consciousness awakening
To choose a Divine course.

What quest lay yet before him?
What Idea did he define?
In being all he came to be,
Unique, one of a kind.

Our dance, no matter long or short,
Was scripted to unfold
In the transformation mission
Etched upon our souls.

Written by CHELLE THOMPSON

He will live in our hearts and souls forever.

Through his talent he has inspired us, challenged us,
and taught us that if we take that one step anything is possible.

May you look down from Heaven and see the joy
and love that you have created here on earth

Goodnight Sweet prince and Rest in Peace Heath Andrew Ledger
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 27, 2008, 04:36:54 am
(http://www.getgreatdesign.com/4thread/RidingCloud.jpg)

When I feel this lonesome prairie wind
I let my soul get back to you again
I will never let you, I will never let you, I will never let you go.




Lyrics by Gustavo Santaolalla/Jeremy Spillman
from the Brokeback Mountain soundtrack
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 27, 2008, 05:22:22 am
(http://www.getgreatdesign.com/4thread/RidingCloud.jpg)

When I feel this lonesome prairie wind
I let my soul get back to you again
I will never let you, I will never let you, I will never let you go.




Lyrics by Gustavo Santaolalla/Jeremy Spillman
from the Brokeback Mountain soundtrack

Laura....that is beautiful....thank you my dear friend  {{{LAURA}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 27, 2008, 05:42:42 am
And I agree with you on the poem Gary.......it is beautiful and easy to see a vision of Heath while reading it........
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 27, 2008, 05:54:48 am
. . . and I add my welcome to Bettermost, RedAzaelia, too!

Pete
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 27, 2008, 05:59:19 am
Laura -

Thank you for both of your pictures and words on this thread.

Pete
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 27, 2008, 06:02:24 am
My mind keeps replaying the moment Mike told me about Heath's death right after I got home from work on Tuesday evening. He assumed I knew about it. My mind replays his question, 'you heard Heath Ledger died, right?'. I must have repeated it half a dozen times aloud, along with, "he's what?", but it still didn't sink in.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Chris}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Pete
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 27, 2008, 08:27:27 am
Welcome Roryennis...xxx
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sharon on January 27, 2008, 08:43:47 am
I found this beautiful Heath Tribute on You Tube today.

Heath Ledger Tribute RIP 1979-2008

[youtube=425,350]http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2alCldKunc[/youtube]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 27, 2008, 09:02:06 am
I thank you for your advices, guys. I am a very sensitive person. Everytime my pet died I was like crazy couldn't accept it, deal with it. I am very bad in dealing with death. I still have the stress chemicals in my body like you said and I have an exam on Wednesday. I am not able to study, it just make me even more stressed out that it hurts.

In addition my dad who is in remission with bladder cancer started to have blood in urine yesterday. So it probably means the tumour is back. I just feel so weak so worn out. I have my psychologist but I have an appointment in the middle of February.

I am afraid that this time I will not handle it. it is too much. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sharon on January 27, 2008, 09:16:25 am
Nikita,

it is ok to be a sensitive person. I understand you.
I`m sorry to hear about the fact that your father is not well.

If you are feeling really, really bad and think that you can`t handle it,
you should go to your psychologist without an appointment.
Just go and tell him about your pain and stress.
He can help you to handle it better, take some days off.

Hugs to you
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 27, 2008, 09:17:06 am
I thank you for your advices, guys. I am a very sensitive person. Everytime my pet died I was like crazy couldn't accept it, deal with it. I am very bad in dealing with death. I still have the stress chemicals in my body like you said and I have an exam on Wednesday. I am not able to study, it just make me even more stressed out that it hurts.

In addition my dad who is in remission with bladder cancer started to have blood in urine yesterday. So it probably means the tumour is back. I just feel so weak so worn out. I have my psychologist but I have an appointment in the middle of February.

I am afraid that this time I will not handle it. it is too much. 

Just take it one day at a time, Nikita. You're strong, you'll make it through.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: roryennis on January 27, 2008, 09:59:12 am
Thank you all for welcoming me to this community in this hour of heartache.
I was content to lurk when he was here, but now that he is gone I need to express my feelings so that one day when just the mention of his name I won't get choked up and cry.
Hugs to all
(((((((((HUGS)))))))
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 27, 2008, 10:14:01 am
Thank you all for welcoming me to this community in this hour of heartache.
I was content to lurk when he was here, but now that he is gone I need to express my feelings so that one day when just the mention of his name I won't get choked up and cry.
Hugs to all
(((((((((HUGS)))))))



Welcome Roryennis. Through all the pain, we're glad to have you here.

(((Roryennis)))
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Pipedream on January 27, 2008, 10:18:22 am


Funeral Blues


W.H. Auden

Stop all the clocks, cut of the telephone
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone
Silence the pianos and with a muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead
Put crępe bows round the white necks of the public doves
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves

He was my North, my South, my East and West
My workingweek and my Sundayrest
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song
I thought that love would last forever: I was wrong

The stars are not wanted now, put out every one;
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood
For nothing now can ever come to any good

And Eric.. I'm also lisetning to BBM Radio - thank you.

Kelda, I had to think of this poem, too, and of John Hannah's beautiful rendering of it in Four Weddings and a Funeral:

 :'(

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE9E07EznXw&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 27, 2008, 11:35:26 am
I hope that Michelle and the Ledgers are close and that Michelle makes sure that Matilda has a relationship with her paternal grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins. I think that will help them all heal.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RedAzaelia on January 27, 2008, 12:20:40 pm
Pipedream, that was beautiful. Thanks for posting that video. What a delivery.  :(

((((Hugs))))
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Andrew on January 27, 2008, 12:41:10 pm
All this week I have been seeking out and listening to suitable music.

Last night, I did not have to seek, I already had a ticket for a well-timed Boston Symphony concert: a performance of The Dream of Gerontius, a big work for soloists, orchestra and chorus by Edward Elgar which depicts the passage of the soul from this life to the next. 

Although the author of the text was Christian and I do not think of myself as that, Elgar's music gives the work an irresistible universality.  I have known and loved this work for years from a recording conducted by the incomparable Sir John Barbirolli, but I have never been able to hear a live performance till last night.

Many parts of the poem are prayer and doctrine - the author was an English convert to Catholicism who later became a cardinal, John Henry Newman. But other parts explore the experience of dying and coming out on the other side in a purely imaginative way.  Since I can't fit two hundred singers and instrumentalists in here, I'll just leave a few scraps of the poem here as an inadequate memento, a bit of dried flower between the pages.

However, it is music with its more direct route that always convinces us,  Whatever the truth of the matter may be and whatever words say, the sounds you are hearing now are true.

At times all the musicians are singing and playing full-throat, at other times the huge tones go down to a tiny sustaining lifeline.

In the first part of the work, the Soul sings,

...I am near to death; I know it now
Not by the token of this faltering breath,
This chill at heart, this dampness on my brow--
'Tis this new feeling, never felt before
That I am going, that I am no more.
'Tis this strange innermost abandonment
This emptying out of each constituent
And natural force, by which I came to be.
Pray for me, O my friends, a visitant
Is knocking his dire summons at my door,
The like of whom, to scare me and to daunt,
Has never, never come to me before
...
I can no more: for now it comes again,
That sense of ruin, which is worse than pain,
That masterful negation and collapse
Of all that makes me man...



There is a break in the music, then in the second part of the work,

I went to sleep, and now I am refreshed.
A strange refreshment; for I feel in me
An inexpressive lightness, and a sense
Of freedom, as I were at length myself,
And never had been before.  How still it is!
I hear no more the busy beat of time,
No, nor my fluttering breath, nor struggling pulse;
Nor does one moment differ from the next.
This silence pours a solitariness
Into the very essence of my soul;
And the deep rest, so soothing and so sweet,
Has something too of sternness and of pain.


The soul finds that he is being propelled forward by the same guardian angel who had been with him during his life.

Dear Angel, say,
Why have I now no fear...?
Along my earthly life, the thought of death
And judgment was to me most terrible.


Thou hast forestalled the agony, and so
For thee the bitterness of death is passed.


Now that the hour is come, my fear is fled;
And at this balance of my destiny,
Now close upon me, I can forward look
With a serenest joy.

...

...we are come into the veiled presence...

I hear the voices that I left on earth.

It is the voice of friends around thy bed.

The soul is at length given, for one moment, a glimpse of the ultimate.

Then,

Take me away, and in the lowest deep
There let me be,
And there in hope the lone nightwatches keep,
Told out for me.


Farewell, but not for ever! brother dear,
Be brave and patient on thy bed of sorrow;
Swiftly shall pass thy night of trial here,
And I will come and wake thee on the morrow.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 27, 2008, 01:23:27 pm
Yes, I probably dissapear because my grief was really huge and I couldn't control it. But today it is slightly better. I am feeling little better. I just know I love him and nobody will take this from me with his passing. My love for him lives on. I am gonna calming myself with the ideas how great of a legend he will become and that he will be forever remembered. Not to sound pathetic, I just hope so.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 27, 2008, 01:33:13 pm
Kelda, I had to think of this poem, too, and of John Hannah's beautiful rendering of it in Four Weddings and a Funeral:

 :'(

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE9E07EznXw&feature=related[/youtube]

Yup, that was exactly what i was thinking of. It brings a tear to my eye watching that. (And, so far, I haven't done that about Heath.)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 27, 2008, 02:25:00 pm
Nikita111 -

That's a lot to deal with!  please continue to post here  -  you are among caring friends.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Nikita111}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}


Pete
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 27, 2008, 02:27:42 pm
I found this beautiful Heath Tribute on You Tube today.

Heath Ledger Tribute RIP 1979-2008

[youtube=425,350]http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2alCldKunc[/youtube]

Beautiful tribute . . . I'm just wondering about the choice of Paul Simon's "Sounds of Silence." 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 27, 2008, 02:44:23 pm
Andrew, so wonderful to have you here, and to read your dried flowers on the page.  Big hug to you.  This especially helped me when I read it just now:

I went to sleep, and now I am refreshed.
A strange refreshment; for I feel in me
An inexpressive lightness, and a sense
Of freedom, as I were at length myself,
And never had been before.



Is this the quality that draws all of us to Heath?  That he already was truly himself while alive?  I would say this describes the common tune in all the descriptions of both his art and of small real life interactions people have had with him and are sharing in their tributes now.

Andrew, big hug, to you, Bud.  It feels like you have once again pulled a rained-on hat from out of the blustery street, this time mine.  Like you have the tokens already in pocket to get us to the better place we want to go.  (Can you tell I was vicariously on that Boston adventure to the best of my ability?)  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 27, 2008, 02:45:58 pm
thanks Pete, the images are quite wonderful. Music is always so subjective, but yes, I wonder about the song as well. Dated and written originally for president Kennedy following his assisination, I recall. Obviously the creator of the piece felt it paralleled that feeling, which may well be what he feels/sees. who can argue.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 27, 2008, 02:50:08 pm
All this week I have been seeking out and listening to suitable music.

Last night, I did not have to seek, I already had a ticket for a well-timed Boston Symphony concert: a performance of The Dream of Gerontius, a big work for soloists, orchestra and chorus by Edward Elgar which depicts the passage of the soul from this life to the next. 

Andrew -

Good to see your post!  I've been wondering how you were doing.

Anazing that you already had a ticket to this concert.  Sometimes I think there are no coincidences and that things like this happen for a reason.  Thanks for posting.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Andy}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Pete

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 27, 2008, 03:32:31 pm
In this link is information about the Australia Day Ball in Manhattan where Heath was honoured  - with one minute of silence. Scroll down a bit and you see an image taken during the silence  - the picture they've got up on their screen to remember Heath by brought tears to my eyes. Of course...

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/19765264.html
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 27, 2008, 03:42:55 pm
In this link is information about the Australia Day Ball in Manhattan where Heath was honoured  - with one minute of silence. Scroll down a bit and you see an image taken during the silence  - the picture they've got up on their screen to remember Heath by brought tears to my eyes. Of course...

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/19765264.html

Thanks for posting this Mikaela... I've actually been very curious about how Heath's passing would be handled at Australia Day events.  Talk about sad, sad circumstances for this year's Australia Day.

:(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: malina on January 27, 2008, 04:38:48 pm
From John Donne's Meditation XVII

...All [hu]mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated; ... God's hand is in every translation, and his hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where every book shall lie open to one another. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 27, 2008, 04:57:14 pm
Hi Malina. {{{{{{{MALINA}}}}}}}

Long one:
Intro
Filmography
Quotes from others
Quotes from Heath


[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=HHDRktGB2hU&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Dagi on January 27, 2008, 05:30:31 pm
If you are just safe about the choices you make, you don't grow.

Thanks for this tribute, Shasta!  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 27, 2008, 07:34:03 pm
Monday morning here in Australia......once again I woke up wondering what news about Heath would we see today.

And I got to thinking and realizing, that we are not going to be allowed in to view the memorial services or the eventual funeral of Heath, these services are not going to be public or televised....

As Heath was in life, so shall he be in death, very very private, and we have to accept this and understand that his family and close friends need this privacy.

In saying that, I also feel that we, as his fans, as his admirers, we who are also grieving need some closure too, to be able to feel like we are with those others, to cry with them, to feel the loss with them, to join with them....I hope that there is some kind of memorial where we can participate, even as viewers, just to find some dam closure to this horrible tragic week.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 27, 2008, 08:06:11 pm
.....still thinking about things here......thinking out loud......hope you dont mind....

maybe we should all do something on a similar parallel to what Ennis did, in his rememberance of Jack.....He had those two shirts hanging on his closet door, a constant reminder of someone he loved...something he could hold and remember, something he had, so that he could clutch, hold close to him and shed his private tears, sometimes he probably looked at them and smiled, remembering the funny times they shared, that dam harmonica, killing the elk....the tender times, looking up at the moon, seeing him again after four years.....

Whether it be a photo of Heath, a cowboy hat, a flower.....let us hang something in our home that is the same as Ennis's shirts....and when we look at it, remember the good times, the funny times, the tender times.......our own little piece of Heath that reminds us of what he gave to us all.......

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on January 27, 2008, 08:28:17 pm
Thanks for the vid clip shasta.  Heath is one of my fave movie stars and Sarah Mclachlan is one of my fave singers.   Simply beautiful and sad.  Heath I Love you and will miss you.

dev 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 27, 2008, 08:34:21 pm
I really like that idea, Katie77. I will think about it and post when I decide what to put up to remind me of Heath. Thanks.  {{{{{{{SUE}}}}}}}

{{{{{{{DEV}}}}}}} Glad you liked it, Dev. I liked the way it was divided into the different sections.
 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 27, 2008, 09:57:10 pm
Andrew, big hug, to you, Bud.  It feels like you have once again pulled a rained-on hat from out of the blustery street, this time mine.  Like you have the tokens already in pocket to get us to the better place we want to go.  (Can you tell I was vicariously on that Boston adventure to the best of my ability?)  :-*

Boy, that really brings back my fond memories of Boston and wahat a great host Andy was!   :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 27, 2008, 10:04:13 pm
Great to see Andrew again, Pete, and Anya Anjie!!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Rayn on January 27, 2008, 10:33:15 pm
From John Donne's Meditation XVII

...All [hu]mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated; ... God's hand is in every translation, and his hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where every book shall lie open to one another. 


Lovely....     Donne is so rich and full of texts that apply to our situation and to daily living.  Thank you, malina, for this meditation.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Rayn on January 27, 2008, 11:00:18 pm
(http://www.getgreatdesign.com/4thread/RidingCloud.jpg)

When I feel this lonesome prairie wind
I let my soul get back to you again
I will never let you, I will never let you, I will never let you go.


LauraGigs, this pic of Ennis...  I've always thought it was so "all about" Ennis, an emblem of Ennis, because it says so much about his character throughout the movie....  tough, brooding, dark, solitary, remote, rocky, simple, earthy, the rider and survivor of storms, alone, but also searching for safety, aware of his surroundings, in touch with nature.  It's so like him especially in the beginning of the story.   I always remember Jack's worried look too when Ennis rides off without a word just before this shot of him. Thanks for posting it, it's one of my fav of him, and it helps me to think of Ennis, at least, as alive.   :)  
                         

Lyrics by Gustavo Santaolalla/Jeremy Spillman
from the Brokeback Mountain soundtrack
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Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 27, 2008, 11:26:31 pm
I had a hard time knowing where to post this. I thought about my blog, but then it wouldn't get read by as many people. I thought about Heath, Heath, Heath and then for some reason the grieving thread seemed like the best place.

Although I did not know if I should or how it would effect me, I watched Brokeback today on HBO for the first time since Heath's passing. It took a lot to watch it, but somehow I made it through. I felt that since it was on HBO, even though I own more than one copy of the DVD, I should watch it as a tribute to Heath. Believe it or not, I even recorded it so now I have another DVD of it. I notated on the DVD that it was recorded today from HBO as a tribute to Heath. Somehow it just seemed important. I felt that in ways I was watching the movie in a new way. It seemed that I was paying so much attention to all of Ennis' expressions even more than I have before. It was a very sad and hard experience watching it, lots of tears, but I did make it through. I couldn't help but wonder how much Heath in real life was holding in and if he was truly unhappy. I think he was such a complicated man much the same way that Ennis was. Ennis was quite simple on the outside, but there was so much inside, so much that we never really saw cause he kept it all in. And I'm not even talking much about the gay part of Ennis. I am talking about everything about Ennis. It has always been difficult for me to think of Ennis as gay since it always felt to me that it was more about love for him. A love that he could never completely break down and express to Jack. Anyway, although I watched the movie early this afternoon it has been racing through my head ever since. I feel worn out much the same way that watching Brokeback has always made me feel. The intensity this time was the same, but somehow different, somehow much more intense.

This evening I finally got my Brokeback 2008 calendar up. I don't know why it took me so long. January is a picture of the dozy embrace. I thought about how it was Heath who had made the suggestion to reverse the shirts for the scene at the end of the movie. That has always impressed me so much that he made that suggestion. And for whatever reason I thought more about that today. The idea that Ennis, suggested by Heath, placed the shirts so that he would always be in a sense wrapped around Jack. In looking at the picture of the Dozy Embrace on the calendar I saw the shirts in a similar way. Ennis is wrapped around Jack from the back in much the same way that the shirts are placed together in Ennis' closet. Wrapped around Jack for all of eternity.

Jack
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 28, 2008, 01:05:00 am

I felt that in ways I was watching the movie in a new way.



Thank you for that really lovely post Jack.  I had a similar experience watching BBM on Friday.  It was like watching it with fresh eyes.  Hope you're doing alright Bud.




Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on January 28, 2008, 01:43:58 am
Yes, know how you feel Jack....I wrote much the same in my post after I watched BBM a couple of nights ago.....

I too, scrutinized Ennis a lot more, looked for Heathisms in him.....

Also related a lot of the words, and scenes to the way we have been feeling over the past couple of days.

I even looked for guidance, of how Ennis dealt with Jack's death, to help with dealing with Heath's.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on January 28, 2008, 01:45:46 am
Yes, I probably dissapear because my grief was really huge and I couldn't control it. But today it is slightly better. I am feeling little better. I just know I love him and nobody will take this from me with his passing. My love for him lives on. I am gonna calming myself with the ideas how great of a legend he will become and that he will be forever remembered. Not to sound pathetic, I just hope so.

don't you worry, he will indeed be forever remembered, and he will indeed be a great legend...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 28, 2008, 01:56:46 am
A track from Brokeback Mountain Radio:

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 28, 2008, 02:16:52 am
I even looked for guidance, of how Ennis dealt with Jack's death, to help with dealing with Heath's.

Wow!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Frank H on January 28, 2008, 08:52:25 am
For all who grieve for someone they love - whether or not they knew them in this life. And wonder "Why...?"

The last sentences of the novel "The Bridge of San Luis Rey" by Thornton Wilder:-

"But soon we shall die...and we ourselves shall be loved for a while and forgotten. But the love will have been enough; all those impulses of love return to the love that made them. Even memory is not necessary for love. There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning."
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Toycoon on January 28, 2008, 10:41:45 am
For all who grieve for someone they love - whether or not they knew them in this life. And wonder "Why...?"

The last sentences of the novel "The Bridge of San Luis Rey" by Thornton Wilder:-

"But soon we shall die...and we ourselves shall be loved for a while and forgotten. But the love will have been enough; all those impulses of love return to the love that made them. Even memory is not necessary for love. There is a land of the living and a land of the dead and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning."

This is really thoughtful and appropriate. Thank you Frank H, for posting it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 28, 2008, 12:14:09 pm
It's been a strange week.

This time one week ago I was getting ready to go downtown to the cinema, to watch "I'm not there". Came back home after seeing the film and at once checked in here to write a glowing review in the Heath Heath Heath thread, especially happy and impressed with Heath's acting. All was right with the world as I gushed and raved.

 :-\

Today I'm feeling a little numb, actually, it's been such an intense week and I've cried - and been online - for so much time. Trying to come to terms and to make sense. It still somehow seems to me as if this week has to be based on some alternate reality fictional tale that will be revealed to be just that - pure fiction. And yet......

At the same time I've got too much of a rational streak to not know that it's very real. Very final.  :'(

I chose one of contemporary women's tried-and-true ways of managing grief today  ::) - I went shopping. Came back home with a pair of God-awful striped socks (stripes of black, white, orange, purple and lime green!). I'm sure Heath would have approved. They're ready for tomorrow. And I also stumbled across a small silver yin/yang charm necklace - I'm wearing it now, and I think it reminds me that though Heath is gone, Jack and Ennis and their story will continue to speak to me just as intensely as before, and much of that is thanks to Heath.   :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 28, 2008, 12:24:29 pm
What a beautiful post, Mikaela. It really touched my heart.
Yes, one week ago the world was still round for us Brokies.

I was looking for striped socks last Saturday (found a pair) and came across a striped scarf. Purple, mind you. I bought both. Nobody will notice, since I've always loved stripes and own many striped items of clothing. But I know, that's enough.

Yesterday, I looked at some old pics of my husband and me (12+ years old) and in almost every pic I wear a striped T-shirt  ::) Even looking at old family pics reminded me of Heath yesterday.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on January 28, 2008, 12:38:06 pm
((Chrissi)) and ((everyone))

Thank God we've got each other! I can't imagine just dealing with this all on my own.  :-\
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on January 28, 2008, 12:44:02 pm
((Chrissi)) and ((everyone))
Thank God we've got each other! I can't imagine just dealing with this all on my own.  :-\


Yes, I don't know how I would have coped without having been able to keep a virtual vigil with all of you.

(((( Brokies ))))
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mariez on January 28, 2008, 02:12:27 pm
What beautiful thoughts and words have been expressed here.  Thanks, everyone.  They help.  I've been avoiding TV, newspaper and magazine reports.  For some reason I can't explain, I don't want to see them or hear them, so I appreciate being able to come here just to hang out sometimes.

And I'm glad to see those that found their way here and are being comforted, also.

Marie
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on January 28, 2008, 02:12:48 pm
Kerry, please try to think positively about this.  We all know Heath wanted to be in a town where he could be just another Joe.  He didn't want to stand out with a posse of friends in popular places.  Maybe he liked doing these things alone.  He wasn't completely isolated.  Someone commented how he let his food go cold while text-messaging.  He was obviously talking to someone.  I myself take myself out to dinner and lunches quite regularly.  I don't even have an ipod or cell phone.  I just have a book and I'm perfectly content.  I enjoy being a 'regular' in places that know what I want to order the minute I come in the door.  I can't speak for Heath of course, but some people are naturally loners and it isn't a burden at all.  It's much easier to be one in a large city than a small one.   

I sure can relate completely to what you are saying delalluvia. I feel sometimes that one of my big attractions to Heath was the fact that I do think he liked doing things alone which is very much like myself. I feel he was somewhat of a loner although of course I am not sure about it. I know I heard he liked to walk around the city by himself just fitting in, just being regular. And I understand what you mean that some people are naturally loners and it is no burden at all. That is me, that is the way I am and I never have had the desire to change that. I think one of the reasons I liked New York City so much is just what you say, it is much easier to be a loner in a large city than a small one. And the funny thing is that I have absolutely no problem just striking up a conversation with someone, spending a while with them, and then going back to my live while they go back to theirs. I have met so many interesting people that way. If I were with a group and were not a loner I would have never had the chance to talk or meet these people. I heard on the news that Heath loved to walk down to Washington Square and either watch, talk or play chess with the people there. They had no idea who he was and he liked that idea. I remember when I heard that I thought you know what I could see myself doing that exact same thing.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on January 28, 2008, 02:52:15 pm
(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/0092.jpg)
Beautiful, Kerry.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RedAzaelia on January 28, 2008, 09:25:04 pm
So maybe this is kind of weird and out there, but I thought some people might appreciate it.

My favorite comic strip is Calvin and Hobbes (what a blast from the past, right?). It's about a little boy (Calvin) with a very active imagination, whose best friend is Hobbes, a tiger who is sometimes a stuffed animal, and sometimes...well, isn't. It's almost always good for a laugh, and it often cheers me up after a bad day, though it is sadly not being written anymore. Sometimes, though, the cartoonist, Bill Watterson, took a break from the humor and tackled more serious topics, with grace and simple accuracy. I thought a sequence about Calvin's first experience with grief and death would perhaps be relevant.

It's on this website: http://progressiveboink.com/archive/calvinhobbes.htm, if you scroll down to the bottom--it's a sequence of 9 strips right at the end.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on January 28, 2008, 10:12:30 pm
Thanks RedAzaelia, I was glad to read those Calvin & Hobbeses.  I used to love those, and I think I remember the little raccoon.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 29, 2008, 05:03:27 am
A track from Brokeback Mountain Radio:

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Which track?  I couldn't hear anything?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on January 29, 2008, 05:09:57 am
Today I went to Castro Street to look at the Castro Theater, since they restored the marquee to it's 1970's appearance for the filming of "Milk," a movie about Harvey Milk.  I watched them getting ready to film a sequence on the street with a lot of extras.  It was so sad, seeing a movie being filmed and knowing that poor Heath will not be filmed for any more movies.   :'(

For pictures and article . . .  

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/01/30/MNUBULUI1.DTL&o=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/01/30/MNUBULUI1.DTL&o=1)

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on January 29, 2008, 07:58:27 am
Thanks for sharing that, Pete. I was wondering if any of our SF brokies would get down to Castro Street to see the transformation. There was an interesting article at www.towleroad.com with before and after pictures. Are you going to be in the movie, Pete? Marching in one of the protest scenes? They are filming them on Feb 4 and 8.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on January 29, 2008, 09:03:36 am
From the IMDb board. Written by the owner of Ennis/Jack shirts:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-gregory/heath-ledger-two-shirts-_b_82971.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-gregory/heath-ledger-two-shirts-_b_82971.html)

*May've already been posted. Sorry, if so.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 29, 2008, 04:35:18 pm
So maybe this is kind of weird and out there, but I thought some people might appreciate it.

My favorite comic strip is Calvin and Hobbes (what a blast from the past, right?). It's about a little boy (Calvin) with a very active imagination, whose best friend is Hobbes, a tiger who is sometimes a stuffed animal, and sometimes...well, isn't. It's almost always good for a laugh, and it often cheers me up after a bad day, though it is sadly not being written anymore. Sometimes, though, the cartoonist, Bill Watterson, took a break from the humor and tackled more serious topics, with grace and simple accuracy. I thought a sequence about Calvin's first experience with grief and death would perhaps be relevant.

It's on this website: http://progressiveboink.com/archive/calvinhobbes.htm, if you scroll down to the bottom--it's a sequence of 9 strips right at the end.

I love Calvin and Hobbes and I love that little cartoon abou the racoon - thanks Azaelia.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: smellykellyjay on January 29, 2008, 09:27:04 pm
I guess it’s human nature that when something is heavily on our minds, we tend to find reminders of it everywhere.  I’ve seen it in myself and in others here in regards to BbM and Heath’s death.  On my way into work today, I saw something that made me think of both.  It was one of the NYC Transit’s “Poetry in Motion” series.  It made me smile. 


IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO DESIRE
by Vera Pavlova
 
If there is something to desire
there is something to regret
If there is something to regret
there is something to recall
 
If there is something to recall
there is nothing to regret
If there is nothing to regret
there is nothing to desire.


From http://www.fresnostatenews.com/2002/May/PoetryinMotion.html: 
Poetry in Motion® is a program that was developed by the Poetry Society of America and the MTA New York City Transit in 1992 to make bus and subway riding a more pleasurable and enlightening experience. Inspired by a similar program in the London Underground, the program places poem-placards in the spaces usually reserved for advertisements in subway cars and buses. Since its founding 10 years ago, the program has expanded across the country, reaching 13 million people daily.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: cmr107 on January 29, 2008, 09:50:25 pm
Thanks for the Calvin and Hobbes. I love those comics, and I remember that one about the racoon.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on January 30, 2008, 06:23:02 am
Hi, my Darling. Another day without you and many to come. But I am healing slowly. And the beauty of your art and personality shines inside of me. I love you. Just to stop by. Thank you for the rainbow. I love you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on February 01, 2008, 09:02:37 pm
I decided to watch my BBM DVD today.  I cried more than I've ever cried when I've watched it (in theaters, at home, or with friends).  I found myself crying most when I watched the intimate scenes of Ennis and Jack.  The tears really started flowing when they headed up BBM.  I expected to be really sad when I saw campsite number 2, because of Mouk's beautiful floral memorial i the snow - but I forgot about that scene of Ennis waking up to find his tent in the snow and that really got to me.

It's like fiction and reality have been combined into one movie.  All of a sudden there seem to be so many more significant parts of the movie with additional meanings.  Plus after having been to many of the filming locations this summer during the Alberta Pilgrimage, it all seems so much more real and I feel much more a part of it.

My partner, David, got home just as I was watching the credits, although we didn't see each other until after I finished watching it.  He said my voice sounded a bit strange and I told him what I had been doing.  I was grateful to him since he asked about my experience and we had a wonderful talk about the movie and Heath.  Although not really a Brokie, David said he's thought about Heath a lot these past few days.

It is hard to imagine how sad it will be to watch BBM with other Brokies next summer in LA.

I will end my rambling here.  Somehow words do not seem to be adequate.

Thank you all for your love and support during this time of such sadness.   :-*

Pete
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ednbarby on February 01, 2008, 09:27:22 pm
(((Pete)))

You're such a sweetheart.

I can't bear the thought of watching Brokeback again.  I hope someday I'll be able to.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: bec on February 01, 2008, 09:35:40 pm
I decided to watch my BBM DVD today.  I cried more than I've ever cried when I've watched it (in theaters, at home, or with friends).  I found myself crying most when I watched the intimate scenes of Ennis and Jack.  The tears really started flowing when they headed up BBM.  I expected to be really sad when I saw campsite number 2, because of Mouk's beautiful floral memorial i the snow - but I forgot about that scene of Ennis waking up to find his tent in the snow and that really got to me.

i put it on yesterday to watch and it's still sitting in my dvd player paused i could not finish the whole movie, made me cry to much, going to try and finish it later today.
i have watched a few of his movies in the last week and cried in most of them not so much at the movie but more that he is gone, but BBM was a bit of both which made it harder to watch.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on February 01, 2008, 10:00:12 pm
I decided to watch my BBM DVD today.  I cried more than I've ever cried when I've watched it (in theaters, at home, or with friends).  I found myself crying most when I watched the intimate scenes of Ennis and Jack.  The tears really started flowing when they headed up BBM.  I expected to be really sad when I saw campsite number 2, because of Mouk's beautiful floral memorial i the snow - but I forgot about that scene of Ennis waking up to find his tent in the snow and that really got to me.

It's like fiction and reality have been combined into one movie.  All of a sudden there seem to be so many more significant parts of the movie with additional meanings.  Plus after having been to many of the filming locations this summer during the Alberta Pilgrimage, it all seems so much more real and I feel much more a part of it.


Hi Pete,

Thank you for this wonderful description.  My experience watching BBM recently was very, very similar to what you described here.  Every emotion that we're used to experiencing while watching BBM was heightened and made more intense.  And, I completely agree... that somehow the scenes of intimacy between Ennis and Jack seemed even more intimate, private and powerful than they did in past viewings (it's hard to believe that's even possible... but that's how it seemed to me).  The motel scene was this way for me in particular.

And, you're certainly right about the scene of Ennis waking up in the snow.  That will forever be layered with meaning for BetterMostians now following the use of mouk's gorgeous photo in the condolence message.

Anyway, thank you for sharing this.

Hope you're doing well. :)

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 02, 2008, 12:12:27 am

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/0093.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on February 02, 2008, 05:44:42 am
((Pete))

Quote
It's like fiction and reality have been combined into one movie.

I haven't seen it since. But that's how I feel just thinking about watching the movie  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on February 02, 2008, 05:51:50 am
Yesterday was the first time someone in RL asked me about Heath. I was on the phone with my cousin's husband and he asked me if I had already heard about Heath. He said he and his wife immediately thought of me when they heard the news about Heath, because they know I love the movie so much. I'm really grateful to him for saying this.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 02, 2008, 06:46:55 am
I decided to watch my BBM DVD today.  I cried more than I've ever cried when I've watched it (in theaters, at home, or with friends).  I found myself crying most when I watched the intimate scenes of Ennis and Jack.  The tears really started flowing when they headed up BBM.  I expected to be really sad when I saw campsite number 2, because of Mouk's beautiful floral memorial i the snow - but I forgot about that scene of Ennis waking up to find his tent in the snow and that really got to me.

It's like fiction and reality have been combined into one movie.  All of a sudden there seem to be so many more significant parts of the movie with additional meanings.  Plus after having been to many of the filming locations this summer during the Alberta Pilgrimage, it all seems so much more real and I feel much more a part of it.

My partner, David, got home just as I was watching the credits, although we didn't see each other until after I finished watching it.  He said my voice sounded a bit strange and I told him what I had been doing.  I was grateful to him since he asked about my experience and we had a wonderful talk about the movie and Heath.  Although not really a Brokie, David said he's thought about Heath a lot these past few days.

It is hard to imagine how sad it will be to watch BBM with other Brokies next summer in LA.

I will end my rambling here.  Somehow words do not seem to be adequate.

Thank you all for your love and support during this time of such sadness.   :-*

Pete


{{{{{{{PETE}}}}}}}

I know what you mean, I was just saying in the HHH thread that I was watching Lords of Dogtown last night for the first time and I had to switch it off after an hour, because it hurt too much. I guess it's safe to say that I'm not ready to watch BBM yet.

Glad to hear your partner is supportive....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 02, 2008, 06:51:17 am
Yesterday was the first time someone in RL asked me about Heath. I was on the phone with my cousin's husband and he asked me if I had already heard about Heath. He said he and his wife immediately thought of me when they heard the news about Heath, because they know I love the movie so much. I'm really grateful to him for saying this.

Yeah, I was wondering if people on here had similar experiences of people calling them and telling them that when they heard the news they thought of them. I got an email from an old co-worker who just said. "I'm so sorry, take care..." which was sweet, and then I got text messages that day from several people asking me how I was doing and that they thought of me when they heard the news.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on February 02, 2008, 08:29:52 am
I decided to watch my BBM DVD today.  I cried more than I've ever cried when I've watched it (in theaters, at home, or with friends).  I found myself crying most when I watched the intimate scenes of Ennis and Jack.  The tears really started flowing when they headed up BBM.  I expected to be really sad when I saw campsite number 2, because of Mouk's beautiful floral memorial i the snow - but I forgot about that scene of Ennis waking up to find his tent in the snow and that really got to me.

It's like fiction and reality have been combined into one movie.  All of a sudden there seem to be so many more significant parts of the movie with additional meanings.  Plus after having been to many of the filming locations this summer during the Alberta Pilgrimage, it all seems so much more real and I feel much more a part of it.

My partner, David, got home just as I was watching the credits, although we didn't see each other until after I finished watching it.  He said my voice sounded a bit strange and I told him what I had been doing.  I was grateful to him since he asked about my experience and we had a wonderful talk about the movie and Heath.  Although not really a Brokie, David said he's thought about Heath a lot these past few days.

It is hard to imagine how sad it will be to watch BBM with other Brokies next summer in LA.

I will end my rambling here.  Somehow words do not seem to be adequate.

Thank you all for your love and support during this time of such sadness.   :-*

Pete


(((Pete)))

Good to hear you have good brokie husband too.

I've watched it again a couple of days ago. I posted this on another thread.

Well after I replied to Chrissi's post, I asked myself whether I would go to see it in the cinema if it had been on screen here currently. I think I would...

So, then I thought, what am I waiting for? It's not in the cinema, but I have the dvd. So, I put in the dvd and watched it again, this afternoon. I had the afternoon off, so I was all by myself.

And now, I'm glad I did. To be honest, I was dreading it a bit. But it was ok. I really got into the story as soon as Ennis got off of that truck in Signal. I hadn't seen it since we've been to Alberta last summer, so it was special to see the places we'd visited. I felt peace and warmth at the Dozy Embrace scene, just like I did when I stood there in July.

I cried at scenes I didn't cry about before. Hearing Ennis say 'Well, I guess I'll see you around then, huh' and Jack say 'Sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it' was very emotional. It was tough watching the Alma and Ennis scenes...

But it wasn't very different that watching it all the other times. It was certainly intens, but I felt an even greater sense of appreciation for what a true masterpiece this movie really is. Because, this movie and Heath's Ennis, that's 'how come me end up here'. I owe you Heath.





Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on February 02, 2008, 06:01:11 pm
Quote from: Snavel
Yeah, I was wondering if people on here had similar experiences of people calling them and telling them that when they heard the news they thought of them. I got an email from an old co-worker who just said. "I'm so sorry, take care..." which was sweet, and then I got text messages that day from several people asking me how I was doing and that they thought of me when they heard the news.

Yes, I found out at work because a friend called me there and told me.  And that night, another friend of mine called about it.  It's like, "you know you're a Brokie when . . . "
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sheriff Roland on February 02, 2008, 09:27:19 pm
I got the news on the 6 pm radio news and within 5minutes, got a phone call from a co-worker. When I got to work 2 days later (had planed on taking Wednesday off), two other male teachers, offered their condolences, though they did it with an uncomfortable giggle. (not exactly heartfelt, but that's ok ... I wasn't hit as hard as some here) And again, later that afternoon, the principal said he thought of me when he heard the news ...

Yup, you know you're a brokie when ...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: oilgun on February 02, 2008, 11:12:56 pm
Three people called me that night to see if I had heard and if I was ok.   The first was a conservative straight male friend, which was really touching.  That guy is such an enigma , lol!  On the Wednesday two people at work came by my desk to offer condolences, and I think they meant it.

I was doing really well but I kind of back-slided today.  Anyway, tomorrow I'm getting my Heath tribute leaf tattoo.  I've decided on the exact same design in the same spot.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on February 02, 2008, 11:21:54 pm
I was doing really well but I kind of back-slided today.  Anyway, tomorrow I'm getting my Heath tribute leaf tattoo.  I've decided on the exact same design in the same spot.

 :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on February 02, 2008, 11:31:51 pm
I decided to watch my BBM DVD today.  I cried more than I've ever cried when I've watched it (in theaters, at home, or with friends).  I found myself crying most when I watched the intimate scenes of Ennis and Jack.  The tears really started flowing when they headed up BBM.  I expected to be really sad when I saw campsite number 2, because of Mouk's beautiful floral memorial i the snow - but I forgot about that scene of Ennis waking up to find his tent in the snow and that really got to me.

It's like fiction and reality have been combined into one movie.  All of a sudden there seem to be so many more significant parts of the movie with additional meanings.  Plus after having been to many of the filming locations this summer during the Alberta Pilgrimage, it all seems so much more real and I feel much more a part of it.

My partner, David, got home just as I was watching the credits, although we didn't see each other until after I finished watching it.  He said my voice sounded a bit strange and I told him what I had been doing.  I was grateful to him since he asked about my experience and we had a wonderful talk about the movie and Heath.  Although not really a Brokie, David said he's thought about Heath a lot these past few days.

It is hard to imagine how sad it will be to watch BBM with other Brokies next summer in LA.

I will end my rambling here.  Somehow words do not seem to be adequate.

Thank you all for your love and support during this time of such sadness.   :-*

Pete

Pete, we sure did have a lot of similarities in our reactions to seeing BBM after Heath's passing. I was almost amazed that we both saw so many of the same things. You mention the sights in Alberta and unfortunately I missed that trip. I am still kicking myself for it too, but watching the movie after all of this made me wish even more that I would have been there. Thanks for sharing your experience. I am going to have to look for when that showing in Los Angeles is going to be. I am still planning a trip to CA this spring or summer so maybe I could work that trip around that some way. I guess the details are in the threads. I hope you are doing well Pete.

Jack
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: malina on February 03, 2008, 12:39:22 am
Yeah, I was wondering if people on here had similar experiences of people calling them and telling them that when they heard the news they thought of them. I got an email from an old co-worker who just said. "I'm so sorry, take care..." which was sweet, and then I got text messages that day from several people asking me how I was doing and that they thought of me when they heard the news.

Yes, several friends called me that day and in the few days after. One in particular was concerned and kept checking in, and I felt bad because I just didn't feel like talking about Heath to her. I wanted to talk to people who were inside the experience, whom it touched.. but I was and am grateful to have friends who get it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on February 03, 2008, 12:47:58 am
Yes, several friends called me that day and in the few days after. One in particular was concerned and kept checking in, and I felt bad because I just didn't feel like talking about Heath to her. I wanted to talk to people who were inside the experience, whom it touched.. but I was and am grateful to have friends who get it.

I know what you mean. I had several people ask me about it. And in each case, I tried to be honest and convey a little bit of my perspective on the matter. But I couldn't get very personal or emotional. I learned long ago that people who aren't Brokies just don't get it.


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on February 03, 2008, 12:52:52 am
I learned long ago that people who aren't Brokies just don't get it.

Sure enough.  This is definitely my experience as well.

Although, there are those confusing folks out there (lots of them!) who really liked BBM, or even loved it, but aren't Brokies.  I still don't understand how that's possible. I mean why isn't everyone who loved BBM a member of BetterMost?  And, why don't they all think about and talk about BBM with other Brokies on a daily basis? 
 ??? ;)

The world is a bewildering place sometimes.
 ???
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on February 03, 2008, 01:35:48 am
Yeah, I was wondering if people on here had similar experiences of people calling them and telling them that when they heard the news they thought of them. I got an email from an old co-worker who just said. "I'm so sorry, take care..." which was sweet, and then I got text messages that day from several people asking me how I was doing and that they thought of me when they heard the news.

Me, too.  I actually first found out about Heath's death that evening when I looked at my E-mails and had about six of them from Non-Brokie friends either offering condolences or telling me the news.  Since then, several more Non-Brokie friends who I saw or spoke to told me that they immediately thought of me when they heard the sad news.  It was comforting and felt like what people would say to me if they knew a friend of mine had died.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on February 03, 2008, 01:59:25 am

(((Pete)))

Good to hear you have good brokie husband too.

I've watched it again a couple of days ago. I posted this on another thread.

Well after I replied to Chrissi's post, I asked myself whether I would go to see it in the cinema if it had been on screen here currently. I think I would...

So, then I thought, what am I waiting for? It's not in the cinema, but I have the dvd. So, I put in the dvd and watched it again, this afternoon. I had the afternoon off, so I was all by myself.

And now, I'm glad I did. To be honest, I was dreading it a bit. But it was ok. I really got into the story as soon as Ennis got off of that truck in Signal. I hadn't seen it since we've been to Alberta last summer, so it was special to see the places we'd visited. I felt peace and warmth at the Dozy Embrace scene, just like I did when I stood there in July.

I cried at scenes I didn't cry about before. Hearing Ennis say 'Well, I guess I'll see you around then, huh' and Jack say 'Sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it' was very emotional. It was tough watching the Alma and Ennis scenes...

But it wasn't very different that watching it all the other times. It was certainly intens, but I felt an even greater sense of appreciation for what a true masterpiece this movie really is. Because, this movie and Heath's Ennis, that's 'how come me end up here'. I owe you Heath.







Thank you all for the feedback. 

I forgot to post that while I was watching my BBM DVD, I really got in touch with how devastating Health’s death must be to Jake and I understand it better since then.  I agree with Atz75 that the scenes of intimacy between Ennis and Jack seemed even more intimate, private and powerful than they did in past viewings.  Even though Jake and Heath were just acting, I think that portraying such intimate, private, and powerful scenes would really result in an emotional bond between Jake and Heath.


belbbmfan –

Since you wrote that it is good to hear you have good brokie husband too, I assume that you were referring to the fact that your husband, Dirk, is a good brokie husband.  That’s great!  I think I understood that when we were in Alberta – just the fact that Dirk was willing to plan your entire family’s summer vacation to Canada around the Alberta Pilgrimage say a lot!

Part of the reason that I decided to watch my BBM DVD is that I was dreading it, too.  It really was very special to see the places we'd visited. I'm glad I watched it by myself.  I know the next time I see it I will also cry a lot and at different scenes than I did before Heath died, but at least I know that I can cry my way all the way through it and I have a bit more hope that I can survive watching it with other Brokies again (like in LA in August.)


One more thing, speaking of husbands . . . and this is very hard for me to deal with and write.  I really think that the main thing that makes me cry when I watch the intimate and private scenes between Ennis and Jack and knowing how the story ends, is that I think of my partner of almost 30 years, David, and how devastated I would be if he dies before I do.  He has told me that he would be devastated if I died before he did, but I really have trouble admitting that I would feel the same way.  BBM reminds me of that.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: serious crayons on February 03, 2008, 03:58:31 am
Although, there are those confusing folks out there (lots of them!) who really liked BBM, or even loved it, but aren't Brokies.  I still don't understand how that's possible. I mean why isn't everyone who loved BBM a member of BetterMost?  And, why don't they all think about and talk about BBM with other Brokies on a daily basis? 
 ??? ;)

The world is a bewildering place sometimes.

Indeed. I don't understand that, either. Why doesn't anyone who sees BBM -- anyone who is intelligent and sensitive and open-minded -- love it? And why doesn't anyone who loves it become a Brokie? It seems like such a natural progression, to me.

And yet, to flip it on its head, then what makes me a Brokie? I know this is the topic of at least a whole thread or more (one of which I started!  ;D) so I probably shouldn't go on about it here in such an OT way, but I don't get the reverse anymore than I get the other thing. I mean, I'm not particularly romantic, I'm not gay, I like lots of movies ... what makes this one so special?

It's such a strange phenomenon that frankly I feel a bit awkward when well-meaning friends DO offer me special condolences. I mean, why shouldn't they be mourning as much as I am? Or why am I mourning any more than they are?

Two years in, it remains a mystery.

 ??? ??? ???

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nakymaton on February 03, 2008, 01:51:06 pm
Indeed. I don't understand that, either. Why doesn't anyone who sees BBM -- anyone who is intelligent and sensitive and open-minded -- love it? And why doesn't anyone who loves it become a Brokie? It seems like such a natural progression, to me.

I also found out via e-mails from two non-Brokie friends. One of them is the woman who recommended the short story to me, and who thinks the movie and story are both perfect as works of art. It makes her cry, but she isn't obsessed by it - she can accept it as nearly perfect, and move on.

But she recognizes that it resonates with me, and is respectful of my obsession.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on February 03, 2008, 05:06:33 pm

belbbmfan –

Since you wrote that it is good to hear you have good brokie husband too, I assume that you were referring to the fact that your husband, Dirk, is a good brokie husband.  That’s great!  I think I understood that when we were in Alberta – just the fact that Dirk was willing to plan your entire family’s summer vacation to Canada around the Alberta Pilgrimage say a lot!

((Pete))

You know, we were talking about this earlier. All the things that made our Canada trip so special that wouldn't have happened if I wasn't a brokie...
The list was long, I tell you. The holiday we had could have been a very nice holiday where we did all kinds of things that the guide books recommended to us. But the pilgrimage made it so much more personal, you know? We would have visited the dinosaur museum in Drumheller, but visiting it with you is what made it special.


Part of the reason that I decided to watch my BBM DVD is that I was dreading it, too.  It really was very special to see the places we'd visited. I'm glad I watched it by myself.  I know the next time I see it I will also cry a lot and at different scenes than I did before Heath died, but at least I know that I can cry my way all the way through it and I have a bit more hope that I can survive watching it with other Brokies again (like in LA in August.)

I felt exactly the same. Almost afraid to loose BBM too, after losing Heath...


One more thing, speaking of husbands . . . and this is very hard for me to deal with and write.  I really think that the main thing that makes me cry when I watch the intimate and private scenes between Ennis and Jack and knowing how the story ends, is that I think of my partner of almost 30 years, David, and how devastated I would be if he dies before I do.  He has told me that he would be devastated if I died before he did, but I really have trouble admitting that I would feel the same way.  BBM reminds me of that.


 :'(

Devastated, yes, but not having the immens regrets that Ennis had, alone in his trailer...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on February 03, 2008, 05:47:13 pm
Fabienne, this is so true. I spent 2 weeks in Norway and had a great time, but I did guidebook things. I spent a week in Belgium, Holland, and Germany with EuroBrokies friends, and I'll never forget a minute of that trip. Guess which one I would repeat?

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 03, 2008, 05:54:14 pm

Gallery honouring Heath's career from the (Sydney) Daily Telegraph:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/gallery/0,22056,5025684-5010141,00.html

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 03, 2008, 06:02:49 pm

This gallery is presently appearing on the (Sydney) Daily Telegraph webpage under the heading "Heath Ledger's Supporters":

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/gallery/0,22056,5029344-5010141,00.html
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on February 03, 2008, 06:11:59 pm
((Pete))

You know, we were talking about this earlier. All the things that made our Canada trip so special that wouldn't have happened if I wasn't a brokie...
The list was long, I tell you. The holiday we had could have been a very nice holiday where we did all kinds of things that the guide books recommended to us. But the pilgrimage made it so much more personal, you know? We would have visited the dinosaur museum in Drumheller, but visiting it with you is what made it special.

Fabienne –

Yes, I agree totally!  I am someone who has traveled alone a lot and I usually do all the things that the guide books recommend, plus I seek out unusual things . . . but they are THINGS and not PEOPLE.  The dinosaur museum in Drumheller was so much more special, since I shared it with you and your family. 

After the Pilgrimage, I spent most of a day on my own at the 66 acre Calgary Heritage Park Historical Village (Canada's largest living historical village, with more than 150 buildings and 45,000 exhibits.)  Yes, I enjoyed it, but that experience seems like nothing, compared to standing on the shore of a small full-moonlit lake with about a dozen Brokie friends and singing songs . . . or sharing a potluck dinner in Canmore as our one and only High Priestess came down the stairs issuing proclamations! 

This is one of my changes I attribute to BBM – seeking out and valuing friendships and personal relationships.  Two years ago I would not have expected that I would be writing anything like this response – and to a good friend in Belgium, yet!     

 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote from: ptannen on Yesterday at 09:59:25 PM
One more thing, speaking of husbands . . . and this is very hard for me to deal with and write.  I really think that the main thing that makes me cry when I watch the intimate and private scenes between Ennis and Jack and knowing how the story ends, is that I think of my partner of almost 30 years, David, and how devastated I would be if he dies before I do.  He has told me that he would be devastated if I died before he did, but I really have trouble admitting that I would feel the same way.  BBM reminds me of that.
 

Devastated, yes, but not having the immense regrets that Ennis had, alone in his trailer...

Very true, indeed!  I am so grateful for all the years we have had together.  I hope there will be many more, but I will always have those 30 years. 

Pete

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 03, 2008, 10:42:06 pm

As reported in Monday's Sydney Morning Herald, Heath is to be buried at Karrakatta Cemetery:

http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/OurCemeteries/Karrakatta.html
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 03, 2008, 11:57:30 pm

This is the PDF brochure for Karrakatta Cemetery. You will need Adobe (free) to view. It looks very pretty.  :'(

http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/OurCemeteries/Karrakatta/Karrakatta_brochure.pdf
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on February 03, 2008, 11:58:04 pm
As reported in Monday's Sydney Morning Herald, Heath is to be buried at Karrakatta Cemetery:

http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/OurCemeteries/Karrakatta.html

Thanks for those links, Kerry.  :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on February 04, 2008, 05:56:08 am
Thank you for posting the links, Kerry.


I had a look at the Karrakatta cemetery leaflet, and I noticed the following:

Quote
Karrakatta's main entrance is off Railway Road [  ] During the week vehicles may also enter/exit from Smyth Road, Government Road and Broome Street.

Looks like Heath just travelled around the world to come back home, in more ways than one.

He lived and spent his final days at Broome Street, and now his final resting place will be close to a Broome Street as well. It's as if fate was planning to make the transition easier.

(No I'm not superstitious, but this just struck me all the same).
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 04, 2008, 06:13:02 am
Thank you for posting the links, Kerry.

I had a look at the Karrakatta cemetery leaflet, and I noticed the following:

Looks like Heath just travelled around the world to come back home, in more ways than one.

He lived and spent his final days at Broome Street, and now his final resting place will be close to a Broome Street as well. It's as if fate was planning to make the transition easier.

(No I'm not superstitious, but this just struck me all the same).

That's given me goose bumps, Mikaela. It sure is one heck of a coincidence.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on February 04, 2008, 11:55:32 am
That's given me goose bumps, Mikaela. It sure is one heck of a coincidence.

I know.  Out of all the thousands of street names in the world.... :P
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on February 04, 2008, 12:37:59 pm
Looks like Heath just travelled around the world to come back home, in more ways than one.

He lived and spent his final days at Broome Street, and now his final resting place will be close to a Broome Street as well. It's as if fate was planning to make the transition easier.

(No I'm not superstitious, but this just struck me all the same).

Broome Street, of all streets ...
Gave me goose bumps, too. Loved your words about coming home.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on February 04, 2008, 12:40:07 pm
Fabienne, this is so true. I spent 2 weeks in Norway and had a great time, but I did guidebook things. I spent a week in Belgium, Holland, and Germany with EuroBrokies friends, and I'll never forget a minute of that trip. Guess which one I would repeat?

L

 :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: roryennis on February 04, 2008, 10:47:37 pm
I second those goosebumps. I'm hearing the Twilight Zone music in my head now.
Does anyone here believe in the supernatural?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on February 04, 2008, 10:51:05 pm
I second those goosebumps. I'm hearing the Twilight Zone music in my head now.
Does anyone here believe in the supernatural?


I don't call it supernatural, more spiritual but yes...

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on February 05, 2008, 04:47:27 am
I was just watching the arrival back in Australia of the Ledger family, and pondered over what they must be feeling as they return home.

The past two weeks must have been an absolute nightmare for them, thrust into a world that they had only looked at from afar, or heard of from their son.

These are just ordinary people, who have just lost their beloved son. They have had the intial shock of his loss, and then had to leave the privacy of their home to travel to another country, try to put things in some sort of order, and then organise to bring their son home.

They should be praised for their consideration to all of Heath's friends and business aquaintances by orgaising memorial services, so that those that wanted to show their respects could do so, without the need to travel to Australia.

And now as they arrive home, they must be completely exhausted both emotionally and physically, and yet they still have to face the final closure of another family funeral and burial here.

Once that is over, then they will finally be able to grieve privately in the comfort of their own home......

My heart goes out to them, they have acted with complete dignity in the face of such terribly sad and tragic circumstances.

Lets hope the media acts with the same dignity, and gives them their privacy, and lets all of us, cast our thoughts to them, and wish them warm thoughts and comfort as they deal with their loss.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 05, 2008, 06:14:02 am
I was just watching the arrival back in Australia of the Ledger family, and pondered over what they must be feeling as they return home.

The past two weeks must have been an absolute nightmare for them, thrust into a world that they had only looked at from afar, or heard of from their son.

These are just ordinary people, who have just lost their beloved son. They have had the intial shock of his loss, and then had to leave the privacy of their home to travel to another country, try to put things in some sort of order, and then organise to bring their son home.

They should be praised for their consideration to all of Heath's friends and business aquaintances by orgaising memorial services, so that those that wanted to show their respects could do so, without the need to travel to Australia.

And now as they arrive home, they must be completely exhausted both emotionally and physically, and yet they still have to face the final closure of another family funeral and burial here.

Once that is over, then they will finally be able to grieve privately in the comfort of their own home......

My heart goes out to them, they have acted with complete dignity in the face of such terribly sad and tragic circumstances.

Lets hope the media acts with the same dignity, and gives them their privacy, and lets all of us, cast our thoughts to them, and wish them warm thoughts and comfort as they deal with their loss.

Beautifully put, Katie. I hope they will now be able to grieve in private.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 05, 2008, 08:11:14 am
Beautifully put, Katie. I hope they will now be able to grieve in private.

What Sue and Melissa said.  :'(   :'(   :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on February 05, 2008, 08:21:49 am
What Sue and Melissa said.  :'(   :'(   :'(

Yes I agree too, that was beautifully put. I,m sitting here chewing my nails waiting for the news about "you know what". I want to know, but I don,t if that makes any sense. Mind you, none of this makes any sense does it?  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 05, 2008, 08:26:35 am
Yes I agree too, that was beautifully put. I,m sitting here chewing my nails waiting for the news about "you know what". I want to know, but I don,t if that makes any sense. Mind you, none of this makes any sense does it?  :'( :'(

None of it makes sense right now, you're right. I feel OK most of the time, but to be honest, the news still isn't real to me. I'm waiting anxiously for that news too. I so want these results to proof all those media assholes wrong.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mariez on February 05, 2008, 09:01:07 am
Two weeks.  :'(   It feels real but not real at the same time, if that makes any sense. 

I keep thinking about his family, too - what anguish. 

Marie
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 05, 2008, 09:39:57 am
Two weeks.  :'(   It feels real but not real at the same time, if that makes any sense. 

I keep thinking about his family, too - what anguish. 

Marie

{{{{Marie}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on February 05, 2008, 09:44:46 am
Two weeks.  :'(   It feels real but not real at the same time, if that makes any sense. 

I keep thinking about his family, too - what anguish. 

Marie

I know. These last two weeks have been unreal. I am feeling depressed again today. Sigh...

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on February 05, 2008, 11:46:44 am
I was just watching the arrival back in Australia of the Ledger family, and pondered over what they must be feeling as they return home.

The past two weeks must have been an absolute nightmare for them, thrust into a world that they had only looked at from afar, or heard of from their son.

These are just ordinary people, who have just lost their beloved son. They have had the intial shock of his loss, and then had to leave the privacy of their home to travel to another country, try to put things in some sort of order, and then organise to bring their son home.

They should be praised for their consideration to all of Heath's friends and business aquaintances by orgaising memorial services, so that those that wanted to show their respects could do so, without the need to travel to Australia.

And now as they arrive home, they must be completely exhausted both emotionally and physically, and yet they still have to face the final closure of another family funeral and burial here.

Once that is over, then they will finally be able to grieve privately in the comfort of their own home......

My heart goes out to them, they have acted with complete dignity in the face of such terribly sad and tragic circumstances.

Lets hope the media acts with the same dignity, and gives them their privacy, and lets all of us, cast our thoughts to them, and wish them warm thoughts and comfort as they deal with their loss.

What a beautiful post. I hope you are right and that they are given space by the media to grieve in private.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 05, 2008, 05:38:25 pm
I know. These last two weeks have been unreal. I am feeling depressed again today. Sigh...

L

{{{Leslie}}}  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on February 05, 2008, 05:52:18 pm
What a beautiful post. I hope you are right and that they are given space by the media to grieve in private.
I hate to say this, but it's true.
The American media won't. They are a bunch of bottom feeders who will do whatever they need to to get that pic or that angle that will cause the most shock. I mean I just heard on the radio an advertisment for Entertainment Tonight asking us to join them as they go along with Danny Lynn's first visit to her mothers grave on the 1yr anniversary of her mothers (Anna Nichole Smith) death.
How sick and perverse is that? And the sickes most obscene part of all, there are actually people in this country setting there TIVO's as we speak so they don't miss a single second of the fun!
Makes me sick and embarassed! >:( :P
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on February 05, 2008, 07:29:39 pm
I hate to say this, but it's true.
The American media won't. They are a bunch of bottom feeders who will do whatever they need to to get that pic or that angle that will cause the most shock. I mean I just heard on the radio an advertisment for Entertainment Tonight asking us to join them as they go along with Danny Lynn's first visit to her mothers grave on the 1yr anniversary of her mothers (Anna Nichole Smith) death.
How sick and perverse is that? And the sickes most obscene part of all, there are actually people in this country setting there TIVO's as we speak so they don't miss a single second of the fun!
Makes me sick and embarassed! >:( :P

You sure are right about that. The greater the shock value, the more the news media goes after it. Look how they go after Britney Spears. Sure she has a lot of problems, but who wouldn't go crazy with those photographers and media after every move she makes. She can't even go to the bathroom without having it filmed and analyzed as to why she did it. They did the same thing to Anna Nicole Smith. And here is a really big question!!! If Heath would have had drug problems do you not think the media would have been right on it way before his death?
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 05, 2008, 08:13:17 pm

This report says the funeral will be held on Saturday:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23165887-5015787,00.html?from=mostpop
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on February 06, 2008, 01:50:31 am
In my life, each day of the week looks a certain way, different than the others.  Monday is preschool in the morning, then a free afternoon.  Tuesday is ballet in the morning, French in the afternoon.  Etc.

Two weeks ago, while I was driving home from French class, my husband called with the terrible news.  Today, I felt really low getting ready to head out to French, and I knew why.  Tuesday, badnewsday.  :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on February 06, 2008, 02:10:48 am
In my life, each day of the week looks a certain way, different than the others.  Monday is preschool in the morning, then a free afternoon.  Tuesday is ballet in the morning, French in the afternoon.  Etc.

Two weeks ago, while I was driving home from French class, my husband called with the terrible news.  Today, I felt really low getting ready to head out to French, and I knew why.  Tuesday, badnewsday.  :(

{{{Clarissa}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 06, 2008, 05:03:24 am
In my life, each day of the week looks a certain way, different than the others.  Monday is preschool in the morning, then a free afternoon.  Tuesday is ballet in the morning, French in the afternoon.  Etc.

Two weeks ago, while I was driving home from French class, my husband called with the terrible news.  Today, I felt really low getting ready to head out to French, and I knew why.  Tuesday, badnewsday.  :(


 :'( :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on February 06, 2008, 10:18:56 am
You sure are right about that. The greater the shock value, the more the news media goes after it. Look how they go after Britney Spears. Sure she has a lot of problems, but who wouldn't go crazy with those photographers and media after every move she makes. She can't even go to the bathroom without having it filmed and analyzed as to why she did it. They did the same thing to Anna Nicole Smith. And here is a really big question!!! If Heath would have had drug problems do you not think the media would have been right on it way before his death?
Amen Brother!
I do feel sorry for Britney. People forget that she isn't much more than a child.
You are right, if the media knew it wouldn't have been a secret. Trust you me, they would have known too.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on February 06, 2008, 11:21:44 am
In my life, each day of the week looks a certain way, different than the others.  Monday is preschool in the morning, then a free afternoon.  Tuesday is ballet in the morning, French in the afternoon.  Etc.

Two weeks ago, while I was driving home from French class, my husband called with the terrible news.  Today, I felt really low getting ready to head out to French, and I knew why.  Tuesday, badnewsday.  :(


{{{Clarissa}}}


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on February 06, 2008, 11:45:06 am
 Well, it's official.
Heaths death was an accident. He wasn't a druggie like the media was hoping to be able to report on, he didn't hurt himself like some had speculated. it was a horrible accident that took this wonderfully talented and beautiful young man from us. In another thread I asked WHY? knowing full well there are no answers to that question.
I never knew Heath Ledger. All I knew of him was from Brokeback Mountain. I will forever cherish his memory and be thankful to him for giving me Ennis DelMar. As many of you know, when I first saw that Movie close to a year ago now, my life changed forever. I saw myself in Heaths portryal of Ennis and I saw where I was destined to be if I didn't change. How can you say thank you for a gift like that? I guess the only way I can figure is to live my life to the fullest, like each day may be my last.
Thank you for that gift my friend.
May you find peace and comfort.
Good Bye and God bless you and keep you in his arms for all eternity!  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: LauraGigs on February 06, 2008, 12:24:25 pm
Thank you for that gift my friend.
May you find peace and comfort.
Good Bye and God bless you and keep you in his arms for all eternity!  :'(


Lovely, Loneleeb3.    :'(   :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sheriff Roland on February 06, 2008, 12:59:03 pm
Nicely  :'(  put  :'(  Richard  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on February 06, 2008, 01:24:56 pm
Well, it's official.
Heaths death was an accident. He wasn't a druggie like the media was hoping to be able to report on, he didn't hurt himself like some had speculated. it was a horrible accident that took this wonderfully talented and beautiful young man from us. In another thread I asked WHY? knowing full well there are no answers to that question.
I never knew Heath Ledger. All I knew of him was from Brokeback Mountain. I will forever cherish his memory and be thankful to him for giving me Ennis DelMar. As many of you know, when I first saw that Movie close to a year ago now, my life changed forever. I saw myself in Heaths portryal of Ennis and I saw where I was destined to be if I didn't change. How can you say thank you for a gift like that? I guess the only way I can figure is to live my life to the fullest, like each day may be my last.
Thank you for that gift my friend.
May you find peace and comfort.
Good Bye and God bless you and keep you in his arms for all eternity!  :'(


Oh my god Richard. I thought I was halfways through with the tears.  Wrong. 
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 06, 2008, 02:53:00 pm
Oh my god Richard. I thought I was halfways through with the tears.  Wrong. 
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(




Same here...   :'(   Tears are literally streaming down my face for the first time in a few days... thought the well was dry by now...

I was just thinking today, that subconsciously I always thought that someday I would be able to thank Heath in person for giving us Ennis. I guess I will just have to believe that he knew how thankful we were...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on February 06, 2008, 02:55:45 pm
((((((((((((((((Mel))))))))))))))))))   :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on February 06, 2008, 07:17:33 pm
I dreamt of Brokeback Mountain last night, the first time in a while. It wasn't so much a dream of Jack and Ennis, as so many of my BBM dreams were back in the day, as it was about the movie itself. It was like I was watching the movie again and remembering how it affected me almost two years ago. I woke up feeling melancholy, bittersweet, and contemplative.

The toxicology reports on Heath today made me weepy--I've been like this off and on today, as if the dream propelled me into place to receive this news. Somehow, the report of an accidental death made me feel even sadder, to think that such a thing could have been prevented. Heath is gone, and somehow in my mind Ennis is intertwined with Heath, so that Ennis in a way is gone too.

Heath was so clearly loved and will be fondly remembered by many. And Ennis, through the miracle that was Heath, has come to be loved and will be remembered by many that he couldn't, cannot know. What a tremendous gift Heath made to us all.

Just thinkin' out loud...through the tears...

 :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on February 07, 2008, 12:57:39 am

I never knew Heath Ledger. All I knew of him was from Brokeback Mountain. I will forever cherish his memory and be thankful to him for giving me Ennis DelMar. As many of you know, when I first saw that Movie close to a year ago now, my life changed forever. I saw myself in Heaths portryal of Ennis and I saw where I was destined to be if I didn't change. How can you say thank you for a gift like that? I guess the only way I can figure is to live my life to the fullest, like each day may be my last.
Thank you for that gift my friend.
May you find peace and comfort.
Good Bye and God bless you and keep you in his arms for all eternity!  :'(



((( Richard )))  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: SFEnnisSF on February 07, 2008, 01:01:50 am

I was just thinking today, that subconsciously I always thought that someday I would be able to thank Heath in person for giving us Ennis. I guess I will just have to believe that he knew how thankful we were...


Oh god, same here.  In the back of my mind I had hoped to either run into him somewhere, and jes' be able to shake his hand and say "thank you Heath for playing Ennis Del Mar", or that he'd actually show up in person at a future theatre screening or Brokie gathering, jes' to "be with us for the day".   

That possiblilty is gone now.  :'(

I sure do hope he knows how much he changed our lives by playing Ennis Del Mar for us...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on February 07, 2008, 02:47:10 am
Well, it's official.
Heaths death was an accident. He wasn't a druggie like the media was hoping to be able to report on, he didn't hurt himself like some had speculated. it was a horrible accident that took this wonderfully talented and beautiful young man from us. In another thread I asked WHY? knowing full well there are no answers to that question.
I never knew Heath Ledger. All I knew of him was from Brokeback Mountain. I will forever cherish his memory and be thankful to him for giving me Ennis DelMar. As many of you know, when I first saw that Movie close to a year ago now, my life changed forever. I saw myself in Heaths portryal of Ennis and I saw where I was destined to be if I didn't change. How can you say thank you for a gift like that? I guess the only way I can figure is to live my life to the fullest, like each day may be my last.
Thank you for that gift my friend.
May you find peace and comfort.
Good Bye and God bless you and keep you in his arms for all eternity!  :'(


Simply beautiful, Richard! 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 07, 2008, 08:32:24 am
Oh god, same here.  In the back of my mind I had hoped to either run into him somewhere, and jes' be able to shake his hand and say "thank you Heath for playing Ennis Del Mar", or that he'd actually show up in person at a future theatre screening or Brokie gathering, jes' to "be with us for the day".   

That possiblilty is gone now.  :'(

I sure do hope he knows how much he changed our lives by playing Ennis Del Mar for us...

{{{{{Eric}}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on February 07, 2008, 12:54:12 pm
Oh god, same here.  In the back of my mind I had hoped to either run into him somewhere, and jes' be able to shake his hand and say "thank you Heath for playing Ennis Del Mar", or that he'd actually show up in person at a future theatre screening or Brokie gathering, jes' to "be with us for the day".   

That possiblilty is gone now.  :'(

I sure do hope he knows how much he changed our lives by playing Ennis Del Mar for us...
Thanks everyone!
Just had to say goodbye!
Eric,
He knows. He will be with us at our next gathering and all others from here on out.
He will live in our hearts and memories and as long as we keep that love and those memories alive he will be with us.
I know it's not the same but it gives me some comfort!

{{{{{ERIC}}}}}  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on February 07, 2008, 12:56:00 pm
I am up and down and all over the map today. At one moment I'm elated, then I'm reaching for kleenex on a crying jag! (This makes me think of the line, "sometimes the pillow was wet, sometimes the sheets") Last nite I made the cherry cake for the Memorial Service and it cheered me up immensely. Just like Ma Twist, I made a cake to comfort others (even tho they probly "can't take none" right now) and it comforted ME. But today I am morosely thinking that Heath wasn't meant to live long in this life he had. He never seemed very happy, maybe the happiest he ever was was when he knew he had nailed the character of Ennis Del Mar, and when he fell in love with Michelle and they conceived Mathilda. But he went backwards at some point, and when a person named Heath goes backwards through the alphabet just four letters, it spells Death.  :'(

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: moremojo on February 07, 2008, 01:09:00 pm
Heath's full name apparently was Heathcliff Andrew Ledger. I understand that his parents named him Heathcliff in appreciation of Emily Bronte's literary masterpiece Wuthering Heights. Heathcliff in that novel is not at all likeable in the usual sense of the word, an almost demonic, Romantic character, emotionally bruised and full of passion. What he did have in his life, the one thing that arguably redeemed him, was the experience of true love, the kind of love that transcends death (the very kind we associate with Ennis and Jack). He could only reunite with his true love and find peace through death...the very scenario some of us dare to hope for Ennis.

Heath was not at all like his namesake in that he seemed to be universally admired and commended for his kindness and generous spirit. But maybe his spirit finds some kind of fulfillment in the demise of his body and the going forth into other kinds of experiences that our limited senses cannot apprehend. Leslie's remarkable story very much seems to suggest this, and, for me at least, that provides some solace.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on February 07, 2008, 01:21:48 pm
If we're thinking along metaphysical lines, I thought of the larger picture when I saw the quote on this photo that Clarissa posted in another thread today.  Who's to say that Heath's not somewhere out there discovering a new corner of the cosmos?  8)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/Heath%20Memory/Heathwithnudestatue.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on February 07, 2008, 01:26:22 pm
If we're thinking along metaphysical lines, I thought of the larger picture when I saw the quote on this photo that Clarissa posted in another thread today.  Who's to say that Heath's not somewhere out there discovering a new corner of the cosmos?  8)


I know he is. And as quite a few people have said to me, he can help far more of us from where he is now, than he could when he was here in his human body.

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: myprivatejack on February 07, 2008, 01:32:37 pm
I know he is. And as quite a few people have said to me, he can help far more of us from where he is now, than he could when he was here in his human body.


You're right,MW.My grandmother used to say that when a beloved`person is gone,he or she stays in another espace from where this person can look for us; and that we are able to see him/her whenever we want to,even if it's from an emotional side,nor in a physical sense-the soul's eyes,not the eyes on your face,she remarked...-. So.I really hope that,the same than he'll always be with us  and alive in our minds and souls by mean of his movies,he'll help us in any may from his new home. :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on February 07, 2008, 01:34:41 pm
I had to log off yesterday evening and leave alone for a bit.  The discussion regarding the overdose was too much for me and I couldn't be rational/civil/calm/collected... etc.  I'm going to avoid it for another little while because it's too raw for me to read everyone's posts. 

Last night, when I logged off, I sat in my husband's arms and cried.  I talked about every single thing I have felt over the past two weeks: the intense loss, grief, sadness, anger, elation (work THAT one out!), lost faith etc. 

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but my overriding feeling at this moment is regret: I wish I had never seen BBM.  When I first watched it, I was so lost and lonely and have only now, a year on, felt as if I have come to terms with it.  I feel a million times worse now.  I can't believe how this film has affected me, my life.  And this new loss is absolutely devastating.  I feel that if I had never watched it, I wouldn't be so attached to the storyline, and hence wouldn't have gotten to know and love Heath.

I said on a previous post that when BBM ended, Jack died.  Now Heath has died, and I feel the trauma of both his and ENNIS' passing. 

I watched BBM once since his death, and right now I can't face watching it again. I hope I will in the future, but right now I can't see it. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: souxi on February 07, 2008, 01:36:16 pm
I know he is. And as quite a few people have said to me, he can help far more of us from where he is now, than he could when he was here in his human body.

L

Ok I,m gonna confess to being really really dense here. I don,t get it. How can Heath help people from where he is now? ??? I realise I,m obviously missing the point here but like I said, I,m dense.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on February 07, 2008, 02:41:09 pm
((((((((Sandy))))))))   :(  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 07, 2008, 03:07:25 pm
I had to log off yesterday evening and leave alone for a bit.  The discussion regarding the overdose was too much for me and I couldn't be rational/civil/calm/collected... etc.  I'm going to avoid it for another little while because it's too raw for me to read everyone's posts. 

Last night, when I logged off, I sat in my husband's arms and cried.  I talked about every single thing I have felt over the past two weeks: the intense loss, grief, sadness, anger, elation (work THAT one out!), lost faith etc. 

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but my overriding feeling at this moment is regret: I wish I had never seen BBM.  When I first watched it, I was so lost and lonely and have only now, a year on, felt as if I have come to terms with it.  I feel a million times worse now.  I can't believe how this film has affected me, my life.  And this new loss is absolutely devastating.  I feel that if I had never watched it, I wouldn't be so attached to the storyline, and hence wouldn't have gotten to know and love Heath.

I said on a previous post that when BBM ended, Jack died.  Now Heath has died, and I feel the trauma of both his and ENNIS' passing. 

I watched BBM once since his death, and right now I can't face watching it again. I hope I will in the future, but right now I can't see it. 


{{{{{Sandy}}}}}

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: myprivatejack on February 07, 2008, 04:05:10 pm
(http://th68.photobucket.com/albums/i29/tigerlilyx4/th_heath-ledger.jpg)

LETTER TO HEATH
(A letter I should have written much before...or never)

My Heath sweet eyes:
I must confess that my preferences have always gone to Jake/Jack;so I've been collecting more pictures and stuff by him than by you.But this doesn't mean that I didn't like you,that I didn't love you.All the contrary.Yeah,in the beginning people noticed how expressive Jake's eyes were;a coworker of mine,( who cried with me when I told him the news and who has toasted for you're now in a better place where you're able to find peace while he was seeing BBM) said that He's got "eyes like a headlight and he tells everything with his look..."But it's not completely true; I've always realised the sweetness of your eyes...
These days I think I've gone over your role in BBM almost scene by scene.And I remember the glance you take to Jack/Jake immediately before he say "Sometimes I miss you so much I can't hardly stand it"; all the love and tenderness in the world is reflected in this glanceˇ Or when both of you descend from the mountain at the end of the summer and you are making jokes with his harmonica's sound; being as Ennis was a man of few words and no "I love yous" ,one more time your glance speaks volumes about your feelings...Or when you looked at Jack from the river,hardly a little spot on the mountain's high...You reflected yourself by your glance,in the end always sweet although sometimes wear in a "rough man" disguise.
As regards to your life off-screen,when Jake was given BAFTA award for his role in BBM,after his speech I saw how you clapped him fervently;your eyes seemed wet with emotion and looked at him with tenderness;how proud you seemed of your friend and of the effort both of you had done mentally and psychically.The same kind of look when you looked at Michelle,that reflected how in love you were with her,in the happy times when she loved you and you knew she was yours...The same look you had,much more still,when you looked at Matilda,your baby,who sooner or later will ask for her daddy and nobody will be already able to answer to her that He's working in a new movie...Yes,you had very sweet eyes,and maybe nobody has noticed how much love you had to give and how these eyes reflected this...
My grandmother said that when a beloved person is gone,she or he keeps on looking after us in another space;for this,I'm sure you'll keep on looking after your baby and Michelle,and looking at Jake with proud,and,maybe-only maybe-looking at all of us,who now are feeling a little helpless without your glance...It's difficult for me to write this,not only because I'm crying again;but also because it's not in my own language.But I do believe you'll understand it because it's written...no,not written...IT´S FELT WITH LOVE LANGUAGE.And this needs neither translation nor good grammar...
You bet,Heath,sweet eyes angel;I will always love you.I SWEAR.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Mikaela on February 07, 2008, 05:50:59 pm
(((Sandy)))

I was very moved by your post. Hang in there.  :-*

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but my overriding feeling at this moment is regret: I wish I had never seen BBM.  When I first watched it, I was so lost and lonely and have only now, a year on, felt as if I have come to terms with it.  I feel a million times worse now.  I can't believe how this film has affected me, my life.  And this new loss is absolutely devastating.  I feel that if I had never watched it, I wouldn't be so attached to the storyline, and hence wouldn't have gotten to know and love Heath.

Don't think I am able to say anything that can make it easier, - I'm glad you have your husband to comfort you. The pain will lessen with time, we know that, even if it's difficult to believe when it's at its worst.  :-\

The following are some general musings on my part.... I don't intend it as a direct response to your post, I certainly don't want to come across as in any way belittling the pain you're feeling....
But your post made me think of Simon and Garfunkel's song of hurt love, "I am a rock", and also to relate that to the loss of Heath and to Ennis's own experience:

Quote
"If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island."

[ ]

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.
"

Ennis means "island" - perhaps that's why this came to me. But Ennis cried at the end... went through such pain and grief and remorse... and yet I don't think he ever truly regretted having had Jack in his life and never regretted their love. However painful the memories in light of those 20 years of keeping distance and then Jack's tragic death. I believe Ennis always was grateful for the love and good times together that they had, despite it all, even when in the middle of darkest grief. After all, he would "Wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release"....

I'm thinking this applies to our strong emotions related to both the story and film, and to the loss of Heath. If we'd never loved them, we wouldn't cry and feel terribly down. But our lives would have been all the poorer for that, not having been affected by them and loving them, so... like Ennis, I believe as days go by we'll come to see we'd rather have felt - and feel - the love *and* the grief of loss it brought, then never having loved at all. We'll be able to look back on all the positive aspects, the joys, the inspiration, the companionship, the emotional lessons learned - and that will more than balance out the loss and sadness.


(Apologies if this came across as holier-then-thou posturing. it's not so easy to express these thoughts properly....)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on February 07, 2008, 06:48:36 pm
Well, it's official.
Heaths death was an accident. He wasn't a druggie like the media was hoping to be able to report on, he didn't hurt himself like some had speculated. it was a horrible accident that took this wonderfully talented and beautiful young man from us. In another thread I asked WHY? knowing full well there are no answers to that question.
I never knew Heath Ledger. All I knew of him was from Brokeback Mountain. I will forever cherish his memory and be thankful to him for giving me Ennis DelMar. As many of you know, when I first saw that Movie close to a year ago now, my life changed forever. I saw myself in Heaths portryal of Ennis and I saw where I was destined to be if I didn't change. How can you say thank you for a gift like that? I guess the only way I can figure is to live my life to the fullest, like each day may be my last.
Thank you for that gift my friend.
May you find peace and comfort.
Good Bye and God bless you and keep you in his arms for all eternity!  :'(


 :-* :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: nic on February 07, 2008, 11:10:05 pm
....I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but my overriding feeling at this moment is regret: I wish I had never seen BBM.  When I first watched it, I was so lost and lonely and have only now, a year on, felt as if I have come to terms with it.  I feel a million times worse now.  I can't believe how this film has affected me, my life.  And this new loss is absolutely devastating.  I feel that if I had never watched it, I wouldn't be so attached to the storyline, and hence wouldn't have gotten to know and love Heath.

I said on a previous post that when BBM ended, Jack died.  Now Heath has died, and I feel the trauma of both his and ENNIS' passing. 

I watched BBM once since his death, and right now I can't face watching it again. I hope I will in the future, but right now I can't see it. 

No-one should be ashamed of any type of feeling when they are in a bereavement process.  During that phase the world makes even less sense than it did before.

I've been wondering about how it would feel to see BBM for the first time now.  Would it make any difference to those that get the full-on BBM experience?  Because obviously a few more folks will be seeing BBM for the first time now, prompted by recent events. 

I have personally already been staying away from BBM for a few months now as I've been going through a high-risk pregnancy with emotions all over the place & my decision to have a child was partly inspired by Heath's perfect portrayal of the fact that one can be a loving parent despite ones personal woes.  The recent terrible news has made it all so much worse, knowing that if all goes well I will soon be startng a new relationship with my son or daughter, not to mention my partner & wider family,  and getting to experience what Ennis & Heath experienced but the painful knowledge is there that it was so abruptly cut short for Heath, Matilda & Michelle & their families.  Even though I intensely dislike the paparazzi, the photos of Heath with Matilda are entrancing & I can't think of a single other father in the public eye that I have seen photos or footage of interacting with their children in such a natural & loving way.  I'm sure others do, but for me when I had all the uncertainty about becoming a parent, to actually see the evidence of this bond was very affirming & validating, despite that it was a "stranger" or maybe more so because it was that particular "stranger".

There has been some debate about the appropriateness of being upset by a "stranger"'s passing but ultimately, if you feel something, you feel it no question & the result of bottling up those feelings was shown to us in all its terrible tradegy by Heath's role as Ennis.  An important aspect of Heath's legacy is that he has directly helped many thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people, to open up to themselves and to even get a glimpse of the process of accepting oneself for what one is & the fact that there is an alternative to their previous existences.  This is a start & better to have that chance than not at all.  Just like Heath - better we had him that not at all :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on February 08, 2008, 02:42:52 am
nic, you've got a baby growing in you!  That's the best news I've heard all day.  :)  And I agree, Heath was a beautiful parent.  I love how comfortable he was with Matilda.  I also LOVE those photos of the two of them.  Big happy (gentle) hug to you, nic!  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ptannen on February 08, 2008, 03:33:50 am
Richard A. Rawson, a UCLA professor of psychiatry and associate director of its Integrated Substance Abuse Programs quoted as saying about Heath's death, “In this case, someone had legitimate prescriptions and simply made an error in dosing himself, a tragic error."   This appeared in today's LA Times.

See my post about it in the Heath Ledger - News Accounts thread:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16517.0.html
 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16517.0.html)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sandy on February 08, 2008, 09:36:12 am
I'm thinking this applies to our strong emotions related to both the story and film, and to the loss of Heath. If we'd never loved them, we wouldn't cry and feel terribly down. But our lives would have been all the poorer for that, not having been affected by them and loving them, so... like Ennis, I believe as days go by we'll come to see we'd rather have felt - and feel - the love *and* the grief of loss it brought, then never having loved at all. We'll be able to look back on all the positive aspects, the joys, the inspiration, the companionship, the emotional lessons learned - and that will more than balance out the loss and sadness.

I know.  BBM has added so much to my life, in so many ways.  I just can't believe how difficult it has been to reconcile my feelings for the movie with my life, and now to reconcile my grief with my life.  I mean, I've said before, that sometimes I feel so guilty for feeling so bad-I never knew him personally after all.  But then I remember watching the interviews, watching his dedication to his art and I remember that I do know him.  And I hope that his family take comfort in the grief we all feel, knowing that their son is leaving such a wonderful legacy. 

Daniel Day-Lewis summed it up.  I think I too would have liked him very much. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 08, 2008, 09:42:15 am
 

Daniel Day-Lewis summed it up.  I think I too would have liked him very much. 


Exactly. Same here, he just seemed like somebody you could easily get along with and have great conversations with.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 08, 2008, 10:42:17 am
This is nice, 8 minutes of pics of a young Heath - well, before he got really famous...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywG_Cv4Qp_o[/youtube]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on February 08, 2008, 03:48:56 pm
nic, you've got a baby growing in you!  That's the best news I've heard all day.  :)  And I agree, Heath was a beautiful parent.  I love how comfortable he was with Matilda.  I also LOVE those photos of the two of them.  Big happy (gentle) hug to you, nic!  :-*

Congratrulations Nic!!!!  ;D

You shouls start a a delaing with pregnancy thread!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 08, 2008, 10:24:29 pm

It's Summer here in Australia, but you'd never know it.

In Sydney today it's bleak, cold, overcast and pelting down rain.

It is Saturday 9 February 2008. The day of Heath's funeral.

It's early afternoon as I write this post in Sydney, which means it's still morning in Perth. And though I don't know what the weather is like in Perth, this bleak day in Sydney certainly matches my mood for the day when Heath is to be laid to rest.  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on February 08, 2008, 10:40:31 pm
It's Summer here in Australia, but you'd never know it.

In Sydney today it's bleak, cold, overcast and pelting down rain.

It is Saturday 9 February 2008. The day of Heath's funeral.

It's early afternoon as I write this post in Sydney, which means it's still morning in Perth. And though I don't know what the weather is like in Perth, this bleak day in Sydney certainly matches my mood for the day when Heath is to be laid to rest.  :'(

It never even dawned on me until I read this just now, that Heath's funeral is on my birthday...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: delalluvia on February 09, 2008, 02:35:43 am

You know what's hurting the worst right now?

The silence.

No more news on Heath.

Soon he will be laid down in a field of stone and the rest will be silence.

He will be part of the past and the past is moving farther and farther away even as we move on.

 :(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 09, 2008, 02:06:26 pm


I'm actually feeling a little better today. From the moment I woke up this morning I thought of Heath, but I felt more peaceful about it. Then I saw the pics of the mourners jumping in the ocean and I was in such awe of them all, how they celebrated Heath's life. I had an appointment at the tattoo shop in my home town and went there with my best friend, had a small tattoo done on my wrist, then sat in the sun, drinking tea with my other friend and her boyfriend and I just felt so relaxed and... I don't know, I guess it was the sun breaking through on the day of Heath's funeral of all days and it felt like Spring that made this day so incredibly special. I will always remember it. I still feel the sadness, but it's not as much at the surface anymore.

{{{{Bettermostians}}}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Toast on February 10, 2008, 12:10:08 am
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/nltoast/HeathLife.jpg)


There are places I'll remember
All my life - though some have changed
Some forever - not for better
Some have gone and some remain
All these places had their moments
With lovers and friends I still can recall
Some are dead and some are living
In my life I've loved them all

But of all these friends and lovers
There is no one compares with you
And these memories lose their meaning
When I think of love as something new
Though I know I'll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I'll often stop and think about them
In my life I love you more

Though I know I'll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I'll often stop and think about them
In my life I love you more
In my life I love you more

- In My Life - The Beatles
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: louisev on February 10, 2008, 12:30:09 am

I'm actually feeling a little better today. From the moment I woke up this morning I thought of Heath, but I felt more peaceful about it. Then I saw the pics of the mourners jumping in the ocean and I was in such awe of them all, how they celebrated Heath's life. I had an appointment at the tattoo shop in my home town and went there with my best friend, had a small tattoo done on my wrist, then sat in the sun, drinking tea with my other friend and her boyfriend and I just felt so relaxed and... I don't know, I guess it was the sun breaking through on the day of Heath's funeral of all days and it felt like Spring that made this day so incredibly special. I will always remember it. I still feel the sadness, but it's not as much at the surface anymore.

{{{{Bettermostians}}}}}

I felt a sense of peace in seeing the photos of the wake, as well, very similar to yours.  While I am mourning the loss last night of my oldest and dearest pet cat, I also have a sense that the clouds are breaking.  The wait to find out what had happened - why he had gone - was excruciating, and now, those questions are all laid to rest, and the mourners have all shed their tears and gone home.  I think somehow, we have gone through this all together - not just Bettermost, but the thousands of others who felt his loss keenly, it was a collective experience, such as we went through at the tragic death of John Lennon, and an earlier generation went through with the assassination of Kennedy, on its own scale.  This is our loss, and this is our mourning, and we have lived through it and learned something.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on February 10, 2008, 12:31:17 am
It never even dawned on me until I read this just now, that Heath's funeral is on my birthday...


Oh!  :(

j.U.d.E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on February 10, 2008, 01:49:26 am
I felt a sense of peace in seeing the photos of the wake, as well, very similar to yours.  While I am mourning the loss last night of my oldest and dearest pet cat, I also have a sense that the clouds are breaking.  The wait to find out what had happened - why he had gone - was excruciating, and now, those questions are all laid to rest, and the mourners have all shed their tears and gone home.  I think somehow, we have gone through this all together - not just Bettermost, but the thousands of others who felt his loss keenly, it was a collective experience, such as we went through at the tragic death of John Lennon, and an earlier generation went through with the assassination of Kennedy, on its own scale.  This is our loss, and this is our mourning, and we have lived through it and learned something.

Very true, Louise.  We've just experienced a mass event of real significance that will always be a part of us.  I'm so sorry to hear about your little cat; I know how hard that is.  I'm picturing her on Heath's lap right now, having a cuddle.  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on February 10, 2008, 02:04:41 am
I went down to the beach this morning, and walked into the water, and looked up to the sky, and said my final farewell to Heath.......

That was my own private way of getting some closure..........Rest in Peace dear Heath......you will never be forgotten......

.......TIME TO GET GOIN' COWBOY...

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/suekat777/RidingCloud-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 10, 2008, 04:10:40 am
I went down to the beach this morning, and walked into the water, and looked up to the sky, and said my final farewell to Heath.......

That was my own private way of getting some closure..........Rest in Peace dear Heath......you will never be forgotten......

.......TIME TO GET GOIN' COWBOY...

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/suekat777/RidingCloud-1.jpg)

{{{{{{Katie}}}}}

Thank you for sharing, that's so beautiful.....  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on February 10, 2008, 07:04:16 am

I'm actually feeling a little better today. From the moment I woke up this morning I thought of Heath, but I felt more peaceful about it. Then I saw the pics of the mourners jumping in the ocean and I was in such awe of them all, how they celebrated Heath's life. I had an appointment at the tattoo shop in my home town and went there with my best friend, had a small tattoo done on my wrist, then sat in the sun, drinking tea with my other friend and her boyfriend and I just felt so relaxed and... I don't know, I guess it was the sun breaking through on the day of Heath's funeral of all days and it felt like Spring that made this day so incredibly special. I will always remember it. I still feel the sadness, but it's not as much at the surface anymore.

{{{{Bettermostians}}}}}

 :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on February 10, 2008, 12:02:20 pm
I felt a sense of peace in seeing the photos of the wake, as well, very similar to yours.  While I am mourning the loss last night of my oldest and dearest pet cat, I also have a sense that the clouds are breaking.  The wait to find out what had happened - why he had gone - was excruciating, and now, those questions are all laid to rest, and the mourners have all shed their tears and gone home.  I think somehow, we have gone through this all together - not just Bettermost, but the thousands of others who felt his loss keenly, it was a collective experience, such as we went through at the tragic death of John Lennon, and an earlier generation went through with the assassination of Kennedy, on its own scale.  This is our loss, and this is our mourning, and we have lived through it and learned something.



{{{{{{{{{{Louise}}}}}}}}}}  
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on February 10, 2008, 12:04:31 pm

I'm actually feeling a little better today. From the moment I woke up this morning I thought of Heath, but I felt more peaceful about it. Then I saw the pics of the mourners jumping in the ocean and I was in such awe of them all, how they celebrated Heath's life. I had an appointment at the tattoo shop in my home town and went there with my best friend, had a small tattoo done on my wrist, then sat in the sun, drinking tea with my other friend and her boyfriend and I just felt so relaxed and... I don't know, I guess it was the sun breaking through on the day of Heath's funeral of all days and it felt like Spring that made this day so incredibly special. I will always remember it. I still feel the sadness, but it's not as much at the surface anymore.

{{{{Bettermostians}}}}}

Good to hear, Melissa.  {{{{{{{{{{Melissa}}}}}}}}}}

I loved the pictures of the group going into the ocean, too. Then watching the sun set. That was a beautiful tribute to Heath.

(What was your tattoo?)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 11, 2008, 08:35:44 am

Some pics of beautiful Cottesloe Beach, where Heath's wake was held, showing the Indiana Tea Rooms.

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/CottesloeBeach1.jpg)

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/CottesloeBeach2.jpg)

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/COTTESLOEBEACH-WAVESP16-CR.jpg)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on February 11, 2008, 08:39:03 am
What beautiful pictures Kerry!!! Thank you for posting them.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 11, 2008, 08:47:39 am

(http://s119.photobucket.com/albums/o126/kez4oz/Album%201/COTTESLOEBEACH-WAVESP16-CR.jpg)[/center]

Thanks for posting, Kerry!  :-* These are really interesting waves! Are they specific for this part of the coastline? Or is that a silly question?  ::)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on February 11, 2008, 09:08:23 am
On the way to work this morning the radio reported that Kirsten Dunst had checked into rehab and that Heath Ledger's death had given her a wake up call. I think it is good that she did since she obviously needed to. However, I find it a bit irritating that Heath's death is being given for a reason. As far as reports are concerned there is no connection between what Kirsten does compared to what Heath was doing. Kirsten is out partying and intentionally abusing substances. Heath, as far as we know, was taking prescription medicine which had been prescribed by doctors and was not intentionally abusing them. I think if anything doctors and how they prescribe medicine is what Heath's death should be prompting. I know for a fact that doctors prescribe way too many pills for way too many people. A pill is always the answer. Take this pill for this and take that pill for that. The drug companies make lots of money and so do the doctors. It also doesn't help any that the media is constantly advertising pills and telling us that we should ask our doctors for this and that. I think it is high time for all of this to be heavily scrutinized. After all there is a very good chance Heath would still be with us if doctors had not tried to treat everything he had with pills.

And believe me he is not the only one going through this type of doctor abuse. To take this to a more personal level the guy I was in a relationship who is also no longer alive was being prescribed multiple anxiety, antidepressant, sleeping, and pain medications. These were coming from the same doctor too. In fact, I would bet on the fact that he was taking many more pills than Heath had ever thought about taking. His tolerance was amazing and would definitely do most people in. I saw him take a whole bottle of sleeping pills once on top of pain medications and xanax, valium, and ativan. Believe this or not, this combination did not put him to sleep. In fact it had the reverse effect of making him very wide awake. However, this guy was truly a drug abuser and had been since high school or earlier. I do not believe Heath was a drug abuser. The guy I am talking about also would take acid, cocaine, crack, meth, and any other drug that would come along. He was a drug addict and an alcoholic. I truly believe his brain was pickled and the prescription medicines may have had a lot to do with how he ended up. That is not what killed him though. From what I know it was instead abuse of crack and a gun to the head. However, there is the question of what years and years of prescription drug abuse had caused.

So I do wish Kirsten the best of luck, but I think her reasons for going to rehab have little to do with what happened to Heath. It has become quite glamorous for the rich and famous to do their stints in rehab. It is almost like a fashion statement and someone is nobody if they have not been to one. They have been set up to be like a fancy relaxing vacation for the stars. Delta Burke goes to one every so often to get her medications adjusted. It's turned into a revolving door for these people. Isn't rehab supposed to help someone get off alcohol and drugs instead of just providing a break for them? It seems that they go in, stop doing their drugs for awhile, and then come out to take more for their next visit to rehab.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on February 11, 2008, 09:21:56 am
Kirsten Dunst and Jake G. were once "an item", and it could be that Heath's death did have a big impact on her.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: jstephens9 on February 11, 2008, 09:27:57 am
Kirsten Dunst and Jake G. were once "an item", and it could be that Heath's death did have a big impact on her.

That is true and I do understand that. I just feel that these are two separate boats. However, I don't want anyone to think I am showing disrespect for Kirsten. And with the way the media is this may be something that they have invented as why she went to rehab. She may have absolutely nothing to do with what the media thinks or says.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on February 11, 2008, 09:34:25 am
That is true and I do understand that. I just feel that these are two separate boats. However, I don't want anyone to think I am showing disrespect for Kirsten. And with the way the media is this may be something that they have invented as why she went to rehab. She may have absolutely nothing to do with what the media thinks or says.

One is always wise to suspect the media.  So much of what seems to be factual often isn't...  I find it difficult sometimes to sort out what "seems to be true", from what is actually factual.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 11, 2008, 07:31:47 pm
Thanks for posting, Kerry!  :-* These are really interesting waves! Are they specific for this part of the coastline? Or is that a silly question?  ::)

I'm not sure, Melissa. I've never been to Western Australia. I'm an east-coast Sydney boy, myself.  Now that this sadness has befallen us, however, I may be tempted to make the pilgrimage one day and lay a flower on Heath's grave.  :'(

Cottesloe Beach is located on the Indian Ocean and that little wave would have travelled all the way from Africa.  :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on February 11, 2008, 07:37:07 pm
Yes, their beaches over there are much the same as everywhere else....sometimes small roling waves sometimes big dumpers....depending on the weather.

I've only ventured to the west once myself,  like Kerry I am a resident of the east coast....and yes, Kerry, I have thought the same thing as you, one day, a visit, to place a flower where he is resting.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on February 11, 2008, 07:39:07 pm
I've been meaning to do this for days...no time like the present!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Maine/australia2.gif)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 11, 2008, 07:54:50 pm
I'm not sure, Melissa. I've never been to Western Australia. I'm an east-coast Sydney boy, myself.  Now that this sadness has befallen us, however, I may be tempted to make the pilgrimage one day and lay a flower on Heath's grave.  :'(

Cottesloe Beach is located on the Indian Ocean and that little wave would have travelled all the way from Africa.  :)

Melissa, I've just had a thought. I think Rottnest Island is located off the coast of Perth and that it buffers much of the wave activity coming in off the Indian Ocean, taking much of the brunt of the waves. What this means for the beaches of Perth, is that they don't have much of a surf to speak of. The water is quite flat, because Rottnest Island protects the beaches. 

That beautiful baptism-like ceremony for Heath's soul, that we saw at Heath's wake, would not be possible on a Sydney beach, for example. You'd be dumped by the force of the waves.

Yes, I think it was my brother who once told me that the beaches of Perth are protected by off-shore Rottnest Island. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 11, 2008, 08:05:14 pm
I've been meaning to do this for days...no time like the present!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/Maine/australia2.gif)

Thank you for posting the map, Leslie. As you can see, Sydney (where I live) on the east coast, is a looong way from Perth on the west coast. I think it takes about 4 hours to fly from Sydney to Perth, across 3 time zones. It's a big country!  :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on February 11, 2008, 08:08:24 pm
Oh they do have surf there.....when I was there I went to Scarborogh Beach, and the waves were quite big.....also there is a place called Margaret River,south of Perth, which is a mecca for surfies.....

http://www.westernaustralia.com/en/Things_to_See_and_Do/Sun_Surf_and_Sea_Life/Pages/Surfing_Western_Australia.aspx
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MaineWriter on February 11, 2008, 08:08:38 pm
Thank you for posting the map, Leslie. As you can see, it's a loooong way from Sydney (where I live) on the east coast,

From Sydney to Perth (driving) is 3951 km.

In the US, an equivalent trip would be from Cleveland, OH to San Francisco: 3958 km.

In Europe, an equivalent trip would be from Bergen, Norway, to Athens, Greece: 3952 km.

Anyway you look at it, it's a long trip!

L
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on February 11, 2008, 08:11:33 pm
From Sydney to Perth (driving) is 3951 km.

In the US, an equivalent trip would be from Cleveland, OH to San Francisco: 3958 km.

In Europe, an equivalent trip would be from Bergen, Norway, to Athens, Greece: 3952 km.

Anyway you look at it, it's a long trip!

L

And not much in the middle.......
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: NavyVet on February 11, 2008, 08:35:50 pm
Okay, I just have to post this, even though y'all will probably think I'm crazy.
I had the strangest dream last night, I mean really weird.
In the dream, Heath and I were hanging out together, while waiting for the results of my father's surgery.
(I should mention at this point my father is scheduled for major lung surgery tomorrow.)
I guess my Dad and Heath both have apparently been on my mind a lot lately.

Any dream interpreters out there?

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 11, 2008, 08:40:20 pm
From Sydney to Perth (driving) is 3951 km.

In the US, an equivalent trip would be from Cleveland, OH to San Francisco: 3958 km.

In Europe, an equivalent trip would be from Bergen, Norway, to Athens, Greece: 3952 km.

Anyway you look at it, it's a long trip!

L

And I would definitely be driving, NOT flying, 'cause I have a flying phobia. I NEVER fly! I'll be retiring later this year. Maybe I could drive across to Perth after I retire. Take my time and follow the coast, rather than going straight across the Nullarbor Plain. It would be a little adventure for me.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on February 11, 2008, 08:46:18 pm
And I would definitely be driving, NOT flying, 'cause I have a flying phobia. I NEVER fly! I'll be retiring later this year. Maybe I could drive across to Perth after I retire. Take my time and follow the coast, rather than going straight across the Nullarbor Plain. It would be a little adventure for me.
Yay Kerry! Do it!  8)

j. U. d. E.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Fran on February 11, 2008, 08:59:23 pm
Okay, I just have to post this, even though y'all will probably think I'm crazy.
I had the strangest dream last night, I mean really weird.
In the dream, Heath and I were hanging out together, while waiting for the results of my father's surgery.
(I should mention at this point my father is scheduled for major lung surgery tomorrow.)
I guess my Dad and Heath both have apparently been on my mind a lot lately.

Any dream interpreters out there?

NavyVet, I can't interpret your dream, but I hope your father's surgery goes well tomorrow.  Please keep us posted.

Oh, and maybe if you post your dream over here: 
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,12139.0.html
someone will be able to interpret it for you.

:)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on February 11, 2008, 09:08:35 pm
And I would definitely be driving, NOT flying, 'cause I have a flying phobia. I NEVER fly! I'll be retiring later this year. Maybe I could drive across to Perth after I retire. Take my time and follow the coast, rather than going straight across the Nullarbor Plain. It would be a little adventure for me.

I wanna go!!   ;)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on February 11, 2008, 09:58:24 pm
I wanna go!!   ;)

 ;)   :laugh:
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on February 12, 2008, 06:21:38 am
Melissa, I've just had a thought. I think Rottnest Island is located off the coast of Perth and that it buffers much of the wave activity coming in off the Indian Ocean, taking much of the brunt of the waves. What this means for the beaches of Perth, is that they don't have much of a surf to speak of. The water is quite flat, because Rottnest Island protects the beaches. 

That beautiful baptism-like ceremony for Heath's soul, that we saw at Heath's wake, would not be possible on a Sydney beach, for example. You'd be dumped by the force of the waves.

Yes, I think it was my brother who once told me that the beaches of Perth are protected by off-shore Rottnest Island. 

Thank you, Kerry!  :-*

We had a tranquil sea like that when I went to the beach last Sunday... It was very pretty...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on February 13, 2008, 08:24:30 am
Missing you, Heath.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZYjojVLC10&eurl=http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,1179.msg334161/topicseen.html[/youtube]
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: myprivatejack on March 12, 2008, 05:54:24 am
(http://www.bbmtalk.com/images/001.jpg)

Heath,no matter that narrow-minded persons didn't want even to watch BBM for a stupid political and moral (?) questions.No matter that these same reasons didn't allow you to win the Oscar for your amazing role in this movie.No matter all this,and more still everything that perhaps you have had to support during these years for portraying a man who has taught us to love without fear,to love above all the difficulties...Things that you have had to support even when you were going to receive your well-deserved homage once you'd already left us,because you had "dared" to be a gay on the screen...
No matter all these nonsenses,because long time ago you've won the Oscar for the best actor in our opinions;and what's more-and more beautiful-you´ve won forever a prize better than this one,as an actor and as a person.THE OSCAR OF OUR HEARTS. We will always love you,Ennis Del Mar.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Meryl on March 12, 2008, 10:09:27 pm
No matter all these nonsenses,because long time ago you've won the Oscar for the best actor in our opinions;and what's more-and more beautiful-you´ve won forever a prize better than this one,as an actor and as a person.THE OSCAR OF OUR HEARTS. We will always love you,Ennis Del Mar.

Amen to that!  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MsMercury on March 12, 2008, 11:06:23 pm
I can't say I was a huge HL fan because i'd only ever seen 2 of his movies. I did recognize that he was very talented. I think he was on his way to becoming HUGE and being recognized as one of the more talented actors of our time.

I was at the gym on the treadmill when I saw the news scroll across the screen on the E! channel. I just stopped. I ran over to my bf and blurted out, "Heath Ledger just died!"  We were both dumbfounded. I didn't expect his death to affect me like it did. I was so sad not only because he was so young but also because he was on the brink of superstardom and he had a little girl.

He just blew me away in BBM. I couldn't imagine anyone else playing Ennis.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on March 13, 2008, 04:12:18 am
I can't say I was a huge HL fan because i'd only ever seen 2 of his movies. I did recognize that he was very talented. I think he was on his way to becoming HUGE and being recognized as one of the more talented actors of our time.

I was at the gym on the treadmill when I saw the news scroll across the screen on the E! channel. I just stopped. I ran over to my bf and blurted out, "Heath Ledger just died!"  We were both dumbfounded. I didn't expect his death to affect me like it did. I was so sad not only because he was so young but also because he was on the brink of superstardom and he had a little girl.

He just blew me away in BBM. I couldn't imagine anyone else playing Ennis.

Thanks for sharing that, MsMercury and welcome to Bettermost...  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on March 13, 2008, 06:30:55 pm
Thanks for sharing that, MsMercury and welcome to Bettermost...  :-*

Yes, welcome!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on March 13, 2008, 06:47:34 pm
I can't say I was a huge HL fan because i'd only ever seen 2 of his movies. I did recognize that he was very talented. I think he was on his way to becoming HUGE and being recognized as one of the more talented actors of our time.

I was at the gym on the treadmill when I saw the news scroll across the screen on the E! channel. I just stopped. I ran over to my bf and blurted out, "Heath Ledger just died!"  We were both dumbfounded. I didn't expect his death to affect me like it did. I was so sad not only because he was so young but also because he was on the brink of superstardom and he had a little girl.

He just blew me away in BBM. I couldn't imagine anyone else playing Ennis.

I had a similar reaction. I was sitting at my desk at work when a friend phoned me from a country town on the coast, about 7 hours north of where I live (Sydney). When I picked up the phone and said, "Hello," instead of the usual formalities, all Karen said was, "Heath Ledger died." I remember exclaiming, "What?!" She gave me the news from the morning newspapers but I don't think I was really listening closely to what Karen was saying, because my head was spinning with the words, "Heath Ledger died."  I couldn't believe that someone so young and talented could be dead. I checked the morning papers on the internet and then started sending emails to friends. I'm still working my way through my grief.  It's better than it was. :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: MsMercury on March 13, 2008, 09:42:38 pm
I understand, Kerry. That's why a lot of the IMDB people came here. They could express grief without being flamed. I frequently the IMDB boards but I do get sick of the trolls there. I just ignore them.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Toycoon on March 14, 2008, 12:19:54 am
Just found this at Amazon:

www.amazon.com/Heath-Ledger-Beautiful-Mysterious-Death/dp/1844546330/r ef=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205467271&sr=1-1  (http://www.amazon.com/Heath-Ledger-Beautiful-Mysterious-Death/dp/1844546330/r ef=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205467271&sr=1-1)

and this:
www.amazon.com/Heath-Ledger-Hollywoods-Dark-Star/dp/0859654273/ref=pd_ bxgy_b_text_b (http://www.amazon.com/Heath-Ledger-Hollywoods-Dark-Star/dp/0859654273/ref=pd_ bxgy_b_text_b)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Samrim on March 16, 2008, 12:59:56 pm
Hello everyone,

I've been back from London for a couple of days, and am congratulating myself on how well my trip went! There were a couple of glitches but not enough to spoil what was a very significant trip. I met a couple of friends, and after a meal and a 'pint' we spent an enjoyable afternoon looking at Degas and Monet and Renoir and the rest in the Courtaulds Institute in Somerset House.

Les Miserables was wonderful and fully justified the expense of the trip; I know the show has been on for many years, and must have incurred many cast changes in that time, but I was truly delighted with the current incumbents of the respective parts. 'Eponine' had a wonderful voice, as indeed did all the cast. There was a little perky kid who nearly stole the show, and the Javeart/Jean Valjean 'duel of wills' was as arresting as ever! I could go on, but I'll be in trouble for clogging up the wrong board if I do!

Hopefully I'll be excused, for much as I loved the show, my trip was subverted, whatever the correct word is, by what was supposed to be my 'secondary' event while in town. I'm constantly aware of Heath Ledger's tragic death, so on Monday morning, I found my way to the Actors Church, St Paul's in Covent Garden, on a bright, windy, sunny cold morning; the Church's website shows the garden from which I was to enter the church, a garden replete with memorials to show biz people, so many names I knew, of actors I'd appreciated over many years, the garden actually the old graveyard, now bright with daffodils and crocus and violets, where hundreds of people rest, and including victims of the Great Plague of 1660. A quiet, rather brooding area, with sunshine escaping IN through the high buildings which surround it.

Inside the church it is very light, plenty of windows and is airy and elegant somehow, like so many of the actors whose names are remembered here. I was met not only by an attendant, but by the church's resident cat, a friendly immaculately turned out moggie determined to be noticed and fussed! As a cat lover I was delighted to be made so 'at home'.

I was struck by all the named wooden memorial plaques all around the walls, names, again so many of which I know and have admired over the years. I gather there is a comprehensive list somewhere, sadly all I can remember at the moment are Vivien Leigh, Edith Evans, Donald Wolfit, Stanley Holloway, and a handful of others, including darlin Gracie Fields, whose name maybe won't mean much to un British friends, especially the younger ones! . I'm hoping to obtain a copy of the 'little list'.

As I'd hoped there was a side chapel for remembrance, with candles and a book. I'd taken my copy of Brokeback with me, with the picture of our boys on the cover, and after I'd lit a candle and said a prayer, I read the later section by the lake, with it's anguished 'wish I knew how to quit you', and it's 'Jack leaned against the steady heartbeat......,and 'standing, he fell into sleep that was not sleep but something else drowsy and tranced' and most of all maybe 'the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger'.

As I read I became increasingly emotional, but breaking my mood to write first, simply, "For Heath Ledger, Ennis. God Bless"; then later again I added more fancifully "Goodnight Sweet Prince", and my name. Probably totally unsuitable but it was from the heart. And then serendipity took over, for as I became increasingly 'done up', thinking of Heath and all my other bereavements over the last twelve months, the CAT came purring to me, for all the world like a little comforter, urging me to calm down, and then I was able to smile.

I'll never forget that remarkable visit to the city, and especially my little 'pilgrimage for Heath', for IT was actually the highlight of my trip, not Les Mis at all.


Best Wishes

Sam

"Jack leaned against the steady heartbeat"

(This message I originally posted on IMDb, but having been urged by a good friend to attempt Bettermost again, I thought to 'give it a go'. Hope it's on the right thread etcetera)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Shasta542 on March 16, 2008, 01:09:58 pm
Sam -- What a touching tribute to Heath. I'm so glad you made the pilgrimage and were able to do that for him and for all of us Brokies! I think it would have made him smile.

Thank you for posting this, sweet friend.  :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: belbbmfan on March 16, 2008, 02:00:06 pm
Sam -- What a touching tribute to Heath. I'm so glad you made the pilgrimage and were able to do that for him and for all of us Brokies! I think it would have made him smile.

Thank you for posting this, sweet friend.  :)


I'll second that. Thank you for sharing your personal tribute with us.

 :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: myprivatejack on March 16, 2008, 05:30:17 pm
I'll second that. Thank you for sharing your personal tribute with us.

 :)

I quote this.For me,it´s as if all of us have done it.For Heath... :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kerry on March 17, 2008, 05:52:39 pm

"Jack leaned against the steady heartbeat"


Dear Sam,

Thank you for your beautifully written and heartfelt story. The emotional impact of this wonderful film never ceases to amaze me. Here we are, over two years on, and I am again sitting at my desk, on a bright, sunny, Sydney morning, with tears running down my face. But the tears felt good, Sam, and they were cathartic for me. You described the scene so vividly and painted such a beautiful picture for us, I almost felt as though I was there with you, when you lit that candle for Heath in London.

Yours fraternally in Brokeback,
Kerry
Sydney, Australia
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: paros on March 23, 2008, 10:47:11 am
Heath's death is a terrible tragedy.  It could have been avoided so easily.   
Heath was younger than I am, and that's just too young for something like this to happen.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mvansand76 on March 23, 2008, 02:10:59 pm
Heath's death is a terrible tragedy.  It could have been avoided so easily.   
Heath was younger than I am, and that's just too young for something like this to happen.


Hello Paros! Welcome to Bettermost... hope you find your way here!  :-*
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 23, 2008, 02:22:31 pm
Heath's death is a terrible tragedy.  It could have been avoided so easily.   
Heath was younger than I am, and that's just too young for something like this to happen.


Welcome paros!  It's so nice that you found your way to BetterMost!  I hope you enjoy exploring the forums here.
:)

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Ellemeno on March 23, 2008, 04:20:04 pm
Hello everyone,

..... I'm constantly aware of Heath Ledger's tragic death, so on Monday morning, I found my way to the Actors Church, St Paul's in Covent Garden, on a bright, windy, sunny cold morning......


Sam terrific, thank you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Nikita111 on April 01, 2008, 10:43:32 am
I have been gone for a very long time but I still think about you baby from time to time, still imagining your tender eyes, your expressive talking and gesticulating with your hands and limbs. I love you my darling, I love you from my soul. I feel so moved when thinking of you.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on May 21, 2008, 10:20:12 pm
susie - i really liked that...

i think heath would have liked your [relatively] new siggie, btw...
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: sel on May 22, 2008, 03:08:49 am
susie - i really liked that...

i think heath would have liked your [relatively] new siggie, btw...

I like it too Susie.  :'(   Anything to do with Heath is bittersweet, that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: loneleeb3 on May 22, 2008, 08:29:58 am
Late afternoon breeze, sand blowing by
Loved ones gather where ocean meets sky
Orange sunset glow fades into black
You are gone, no way to turn back

Your daughter’s face alive with your smile
Forever is too long a while
To take from her your warm embrace
Where strong arms were, now empty space

For you, all stop, nothing more
Journey over, slammed shut final door
We leave you, sweet prince, to your sleep
Hands still now, at peace, yet we weep


I miss you today, Heath.


Susie,
That was beautiful!  :'(
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 22, 2008, 09:06:00 am
Susie, that is so beautiful. I had goose-bumps in my neck..

Four months already.. When I think of Heath I have a crackling, dusty, silent picture in my head. It's as if he's in a old fashioned framed picture in a dark waiting room somewhere and a big wall clock is ticking and his life and achievements are belonging to the world's historical past..

Not sure if that came across the way I wanted, but still, that picture is there.

j. U. d. E
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: optom3 on May 22, 2008, 10:21:53 am
Oh Susie,
you made me cry, that was so lovely,particularly strong arms being empty and the smile of his daughter.
I find it hard sometimes to look at Matilda she is so like him. My middle son is like that,he literally is a mini dad, I look at him and see my husband.

If Michelle was still in love with Heath,and I suspect she was (can't live with each other can't live without sort of thing) it must hurt very badly sometimes when she looks at her daughter.I know it would cripple me.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on May 22, 2008, 03:26:39 pm
Late afternoon breeze, sand blowing by
Loved ones gather where ocean meets sky
Orange sunset glow fades into black
You are gone, no way to turn back

Your daughter’s face alive with your smile
Forever is too long a while
To take from her your warm embrace
Where strong arms were, now empty space

For you, all stop, nothing more
Journey over, slammed shut final door
We leave you, sweet prince, to your sleep
Hands still now, at peace, yet we weep


I miss you today, Heath.


Beautiful.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: NavyVet on May 29, 2008, 08:52:37 pm
Hi.  I just wanted to share something.  It's one of my favorite songs that when I originally heard it, it reminded me so much of Jack and Ennis.  Very fitting.  Performed by Enya, it is sad and beautiful.  I think it is also appropriate for remembering Heath.
Here are the lyrics:

IF I COULD BE WHERE YOU ARE

Where are you this moment?
only in my dreams.
You're missing, but you're always
a heartbeat from me.
I'm lost now without you,
I don't know where you are.
I keep watching, I keep hoping,
but time keeps us apart

Is there a way I can find you,
is there a sign I should know,
is there a road I could follow
to bring you back home?

Winter lies before me
now you're so far away.
In the darkness of my dreaming
the light of you will stay

If I could be close beside you
If I could be where you are
If I could reach out and touch you
and bring you back home
Is there a way I can find you
Is there a sign I should know
Is there a road I could follow
to bring you back home to me
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: j.U.d.E. on January 22, 2009, 10:58:05 am
I just felt like bumping this thread..
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 22, 2009, 11:15:19 am
I just felt like bumping this thread..

I started to reread a few pages of this thread. I never went back to this thread the whole year. I didn't get far today, but that's ok. No need to reread everything.

But I read a post by you, that you had sent me a text message/SMS that night a year ago. I never got it, and have never read this post, until today.
So a very belated thank you Jude.
 :-*


{{{Brokies}}}
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on February 21, 2009, 12:57:23 am
Sometimes I think I'm "fine" and "over it,"  then I'm caught unawares...  and so back in denial.

I see Heath every day on my desktop.  (And I'm fine.)  But then, I catch a particular image (e.g. Ennis on the home page today), and I'm so totally, "No, it can't really be possible...." and have to click away.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: sel on February 21, 2009, 04:10:12 am
I am simply not over it.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Dobie1018 on February 21, 2009, 10:52:04 pm
I still cannot believe he is gone, and whenever I see a picture of him, no matter where I am, or what I'm doing, tears come to my eyes.  Reading the posts on this thread, and seeing the wonderful pictures of this handsome, talented young man that people have as their signatures brings tears to my eyes.  It is still unbelievable.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: RouxB on February 23, 2009, 02:13:06 am
It is the surprise factor that does me in. As long as I see him where I expect to see him or control how/when/where I see him I'm okay. But when I come across him unexpectedly...

I thought the one year anniversary would result in some kind of change but it's still business as usual. I am waaaaaayyyyyy better than I was 8 months ago but still very much affected by this loss. Very. Much. Affected.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on February 23, 2009, 02:23:25 am
I am simply not over it.

I hear you, friends.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on February 23, 2009, 09:17:45 am
I am watching a replay of the Academy Awards, and have just seen the Best Supporting Actor award for Heath.

I didn't think it would affect me, as I all ready knew he had won, and his win was expected even before it was announced.

It is not so much seeing him in pictures and video clips that move me, its more the NOT seeing him, when he should be there. After his family had accepted the award for him, I sat back and tried to vision Heath getting up there to accept the award. He probably would have been fidgety, and shy, played with his ear, looked down from the eyes staring at him,  maybe even mumbled his acceptance speech, because he didn't seem to deal with occassions like this real well. I am sure he would have mentioned Matilda, and that would have brought a smile and a glow to his face.

 We would have sat there and hung on every word he said, and wished that he had talked for longer. I even wonder what he would have worn, would it have been a tux or would he have worn some crazy socks or even a hat.
.
Not knowing how it would have been is what makes me sad....once again, "its not fair" seems to be throbbing in my mind.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on February 23, 2009, 09:44:29 am
It is not so much seeing him in pictures and video clips that move me, its more the NOT seeing him, when he should be there.
...
Not knowing how it would have been is what makes me sad....once again, "its not fair" seems to be throbbing in my mind.

No, it's certainly not fair :(.
And I agree about the NOT seeing him collect this award being the hard part. He should be there, collecting the honor he deserved. His family should still have their boy, Matilda should still have her daddy, his friends shouldn't have to miss him and we should still have the opportunity to see more of his work and see him up there, being fidgety and endearing and all. No, not fair at all.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Monika on February 23, 2009, 12:02:33 pm
It´s hard to feel happy about his award. When the person is not there to accept it...then what´s the point
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: optom3 on February 23, 2009, 11:45:04 pm
I missed the Oscars as I fell asleep. Watched the Heath part on you tube and just welled up. I cannot believe this out of the blue upset is still happening.

I have no idea how hs family coped on stage without crying. They were so dignified and loving.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: BelAir on February 26, 2009, 12:49:00 am
It´s hard to feel happy about his award. When the person is not there to accept it...then what´s the point

right.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Katie77 on February 26, 2009, 05:05:34 am
It´s hard to feel happy about his award. When the person is not there to accept it...then what´s the point

I know what you are saying Buffy, its very bittersweet.

But remember when Ennis found the shirts.....Jack was gone, but the message and meaning of the shirts was still there.

As with the Oscar....Heath is gone, but the message and legacy of his great achievments is still there.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: optom3 on February 26, 2009, 10:51:02 am
I know what you are saying Buffy, its very bittersweet.

But remember when Ennis found the shirts.....Jack was gone, but the message and meaning of the shirts was still there.

As with the Oscar....Heath is gone, but the message and legacy of his great achievments is still there.

What an amazing correlation, his legacy is still here. Well said.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on February 26, 2009, 12:11:06 pm

   For his beloved Matilda it is going to be the solid proof, that his work was at least as wonderful as any other person in his profession.
He was so beloved himself, that he got the award after his death.  An achievement that only one other person ever............has
gotten.  She can be honestly proud and look back at his life, when she can no longer remember him.  It will be something solid,
and real, to hold onto and be proud of.

   He loved his part and was so proud of it in "The Joker" I don't see why there is this constant haranging, it was not as good as Ennis, or
the movie was not as worthy, or he should have won for Brokeback Mountain.  He himself said (paraphrasing) "I do not live in the past.  I live in the now.  I don't look forward or back much.  I just do what is going on now."  I think it is disrespectful for us to be belittling his last
performance, by forever looking back and complaining about his not getting it last time. 
   Yes he deserved it for Ennis, yes he got cheated out of it by a monkey act, of an immitation, but it is over...  Just rejoice over this
win.  It is still going to the same person. 
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Penthesilea on January 22, 2010, 08:44:02 am



(http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/Penthesilea09/Heath/3f9a5275.jpg)


Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2010, 11:03:27 am


(http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/Penthesilea09/Heath/3f9a5275.jpg)

Our favourite son...he will never be forgotten. Thanks, Chrissi.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 22, 2010, 12:50:29 pm
I'm really not sure what I can say here that hasn't already been said, except that this was one of the first things I thought of when I got up this morning.

I guess I've been thinking about Michelle and Matilda the most during the past few days.  Can anybody believe that Heath's daughter is 4 years old already?  Not in the habit of posting pictures of them but here's a recent one.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/DailySheet/Michelle_MatildaNYC.jpg)

That was taken in October.  Michelle was quoted as saying that “She can know her dad in so many ways, and so many of his friends who will be able to tell her so many stories. His friends, his family — they were a big part of his life, and they will be a big part of her life.”  Amazing how much she looks like both of them -- Heath in coloring and features; Michelle in her smile and facial expressions.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2010, 01:10:40 pm


(http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/Penthesilea09/Heath/3f9a5275.jpg)



So true.  He will always be missed and he is too special to ever be forgotten. Thank you, Chrissi.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Kelda on January 22, 2010, 02:23:23 pm
My god! She's his double..


I'm really not sure what I can say here that hasn't already been said, except that this was one of the first things I thought of when I got up this morning.

I guess I've been thinking about Michelle and Matilda the most during the past few days.  Can anybody believe that Heath's daughter is 4 years old already?  Not in the habit of posting pictures of them but here's a recent one.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/DailySheet/Michelle_MatildaNYC.jpg)

That was taken in October.  Michelle was quoted as saying that “She can know her dad in so many ways, and so many of his friends who will be able to tell her so many stories. His friends, his family — they were a big part of his life, and they will be a big part of her life.”  Amazing how much she looks like both of them -- Heath in coloring and features; Michelle in her smile and facial expressions.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 22, 2010, 02:27:50 pm
Especially those eyes!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Lumičre on January 22, 2010, 03:37:28 pm
I told this story to Amanda (atz75) a while back and at the time, she suggested I post it on here.  I didn't get around to it then but anyway...


Some time last year, I had a very vivid dream about Heath.  I don't remember about half of it, but the bits I remember are still crystal clear in my mind -
I was at a beach somewhere, the water was so blue, the sun was out, it was a gorgeous day .. I don't know how I got to the beach but I remember feeling a little over-dressed for hanging out in such fine weather, lol.  So while I was standing there, probably trying to figure out where I was, I saw him - Heath.  He was about 15 or 16 years old but I knew instantly who he was.  He started running towards the water and dove into a deep wave.  I was not in the water with him but I could see him going deeper and deeper into the blue wave, free as a fish and loving every second of it.  It was such a little thing, but it felt quite overwhelming in the dream.

When I woke up, that image of a young, fresh-faced happy Heath was engraved in my mind.  And I can still see it.

Long story short, that is how I choose to think of him today.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 22, 2010, 04:01:46 pm
Beautiful story, Milli.  :)

I like to think of Heath as being about 13 months old today...if, bodhisattva that he is, he chose to come back and live among us again!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: mariez on January 22, 2010, 04:05:05 pm
I told this story to Amanda (atz75) a while back and at the time, she suggested I post it on here.  I didn't get around to it then but anyway...


Some time last year, I had a very vivid dream about Heath.  I don't remember about half of it, but the bits I remember are still crystal clear in my mind -
I was at a beach somewhere, the water was so blue, the sun was out, it was a gorgeous day .. I don't know how I got to the beach but I remember feeling a little over-dressed for hanging out in such fine weather, lol.  So while I was standing there, probably trying to figure out where I was, I saw him - Heath.  He was about 15 or 16 years old but I knew instantly who he was.  He started running towards the water and dove into a deep wave.  I was not in the water with him but I could see him going deeper and deeper into the blue wave, free as a fish and loving every second of it.  It was such a little thing, but it felt quite overwhelming in the dream.

When I woke up, that image of a young, fresh-faced happy Heath was engraved in my mind.  And I can still see it.

Long story short, that is how I choose to think of him today.


Milli, that's so beautiful and so moving.  Now I can see it, too.  :)  Thanks so much for sharing that.  And, of course, it's wonderful to see you!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: sel on January 22, 2010, 04:52:36 pm
What a beautiful dream Lumičre! Thanks for sharing it with us.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Sharon on January 23, 2010, 08:52:28 am
Milli my friend,
this is a beautiful dream ... I can see that scene clear before my eyes.
Thanks for sharing.
I want to think of him in the same way - as a young and happy Heath!

Front-Ranger - this is something I have thought so often in my life.
Maybe we all get the chance to live a second life (or a third) to evolve
our pesonality or to meet close people again in a different setting.

Regarding Heath in this case : I wish for him a happy and lighter life and that he might be
able to go in any direction he wants to go to realize his full potential without any delay!
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 25, 2010, 04:00:39 pm




      If it is true, that reincarnation is for real.  I hope he gets to come to a place that he can spend some good
quality time with his beloved Matilda.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Peter John Shields on March 26, 2014, 07:45:53 am
Thank you for sharing your dream.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: suelyblu on March 26, 2014, 07:23:24 pm
When I think of Heath.....I imagine him on a golden beach.....with turquoise blue sea.....white tops on the waves. I see him running towards the sea with his surf board ....going for "the big one"....and rides down the wave so smooth and graceful.....almost like he is flying. This is how he loved to spend his time back home in Perth.....this is how I hope he is spending eternity now. Our sunshine boy.  :-*

Seems like we all dream and think the same things about him.  :)
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: coffeedrinkintexan on April 04, 2015, 09:10:50 am
I turned 36 just a couple weeks ago, and today Heath would be 36.

Grief to know that Heath will never have all these wonderful years I've been given....mixed with gratitude that a soul like him ever came along at all.

Happy birthday, beautiful.

Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Monika on April 05, 2015, 07:18:38 am
I wonder what he would been up to, had he lived.

An older, more mature Heath. Hopefully he would have grown into his own skin a bit more, feeling more at ease with himself.
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
Post by: Berit on April 06, 2015, 01:27:46 pm
I wonder what he would been up to, had he lived.

An older, more mature Heath. Hopefully he would have grown into his own skin a bit more, feeling more at ease with himself.

I watched BBM today and it is really a way to see how he grows older. I want to remember him like he was in that movie. He still grabs me by my heart.....
Title: Re: Heath Ledger - the grieving thread
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