They're already calling it the "gay surfer movie". LOL
I'm back! I saw this on the website:
Shelter will premiere in theaters in March 2008, launching in 10 markets across the country. Shelter will premiere exclusively on here! Networks on April 18.
Will somebody be able to tape it somehow and post it on the internet? I think that will be the only chance for people outside of the US to see this movie!
I know the DVD will be available in May, but I will check with my net guru to see what I can do. ;)
TLAVIDEO.com is already promoting this film as a pre-order item. I guess I won't be seeing it on the big screen. The DVD will be released on 5/28/07 but I guess you can already have your order in. The msg board for SHELTER on IMDB.com is quite dead. I don't think many ppl have seen this film though it has been screened at some film festivals. A website says scheduled for limited release on 3/21/08 in the USA? I'd like to know where at.
Gonna be playing here in Denver May 2-8; Adam and I may just haveta see it again.
Whoa Dude!
I saw the movie on line, and it's no Brokeback but still it is a warm and affirming romance with the usual second guessing on the part of the main character, Zach, played by Treavor Wright. His love interest, Shawn, played by Brad Rowe (Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss) I thought the plot development and the character development were very good, very believeable. I would like to see another movie made about gay people who were not pretty, lived in Nebraska, but there is nothing wrong with these two fine looking young men and their performance.
And if you are looking for a movie with a happy ending, I would keep the kleenex handy for this one.
1. *Where does the name Shelter come from? Is this from Zach seeking shelter in Shawn for him and Cody? Like he provides for those around him and finally he accepts help for his own situation? There is the point where he tells his x-girlfriend that all he wanted to do was provide for her and you can tell he feels like he has failed because he couldn't do that.
2. *After they go surfing the first time Zach tells Shawn he read his book, I am not sure if he is saying "when it first came out" or "when I first came out". If it is the first one it would make more sense because he is not really out. The clip for that is posted here so that would be easy enought to check.
3. *You see the Dad at the first of the movie but then they take him home and he never appears again. Whats up with that? He was the only character who appeared to be over 30 and they only pay him lip service.
4. In the movie I thought this song was sung by a female:
How do you think Gabe found out about Zach and Shaun?
I liked "Shelter" a lot - there's a wonderful simplicity about it.
Marie
(OMG is this the genisis of Shelter fan fic?)
Oh, and I laughed when I saw Shaun and Zach jump out of the bed WEARING THEIR BOXERS!! ::) :laugh: That wasn't very realistic I thought. But maybe that's just me of course. ;)
I liked "Shelter" a lot - there's a wonderful simplicity about it. As for the Dad, I guess his only purpose is to show just one more person that Zach is responsible for - he's become the parent to everyone, his nephew, his sister and his own dad.
I'm looking forward to watching it again - I always catch more things on a second viewing!
Marie
Yeah I am really wondering if Gabe already knew by the time that he saw Zach with Shaun's shirt. But hadn't he not seen his brother in a while, how would he know that that is his shirt?
A lot of people seem to comment on that, but I didn't think it was that strange. The director said in an interview that with the scene of them in bed (right before Gabe almost finds them there), he was trying to convey how you sometimes just don't want to get out of bed out of laziness and happiness with being with the right person. They might have been in bed all day, only to get out to get food, during which you would put on your boxers.
Okay, that sounds plausible.
The actors had great chemistry between them I thought.
The actors had great chemistry between them I thought.
Wow Mel, how many times have you seen it already? :)
I liked the frisbee scene at the end. I liked that Zach's hair was longer. Just to show that this wasn't a 'one shot thing' they had going.
Yeah, frisbees in the begining and the end, dang I know what I will be doing tonight.
“Shelter” is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). Characters indulge in tasteful sex and a taste of drugs.
which is like...TONS better than 'distasteful' sex....
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I THINK they mean nothing overly graphic Jess. I can't speak from experience though. They won't show it where I live. >:(
I've been wondering if they will EVEN let us see it on DVD around here. God FORBID they show it in a Hoosier movie theater! ::) >:(
Here is Brad Rowe talking about the gay thing:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1DBFHN-mO4[/youtube]
Exit Brad Pitt, enter Brad Rowe! :D
Wish I had it on DVD already so I could watch it on our new big plasma TV! :P
Thanks Nevermore for the excellent review. As I was watching again last night I was wondering how I would find out the name of that bridge, the link between their two worlds, done up in blue. Thanks so much for sharing the geographic infomation.
I agree it is no masterpiece and I like the comparison to the afterschool special, I grew up on them! :laugh: I found myself comparing key scenes to BBM, like the strange music that plays when Zach goes out surfing after spending the night with Shaun, it is reminiscent of the slaughtered sheep scene. I probably should just let it stand on its own but the comparison is sometimes unavoidable for me.
And
Wow, never thought I would say this, but, AMEN! :laugh:
Will it be in the European format too? Is there a European format anymore?
It was especially poignant for me because the "sense of place" that was so resonant for the westerners in Brokeback was present for me with Shelter: it was shot in my hometown, San Pedro, California, the blue-collar harbor town that is the port of Los Angeles.
There's the getting drunk together scene (although the one in BBM ended in something a little more... uhm... hardcore... than in Shelter). I loved the scene in Shelter though because even though the wrestling scene is almost cringeworthy, the whole chain of events after that are so natural and as Marie called it, inevitable. And I loved the kiss, I can't help it.
It was especially poignant for me because the "sense of place" that was so resonant for the westerners in Brokeback was present for me with Shelter: it was shot in my hometown, San Pedro, California, the blue-collar harbor town that is the port of Los Angeles. I grew up with a lot of Zacks and Jeannes, and most of them are still there, living their lives in the shadow of the Vincent Thomas Bridge that is a central (and wee bit obvious) motif.
If there's a weakness, it's that Zack's dilemma seems like such a non-dilemma--move in with the handsome Prince Charming or stay on as permanent babysitter for young Zack will big Sis Jeanne plays away with a succession of losers? It's a legitimate criticism, but I would answer that it's difficult to overestimate the power of family obligation, and also, Sean's seeming perfection might raise suspicions that he's a little too good to be true. The character is supposed to be from the chi-chi Palos Verdes peninsula (though it looks like Malibu standing in for PV), bringing out Zack's working class defensiveness, which rings true enough to those of us who lived "down the hill."
OMG that is one of the nicest kisses I have ever watched, Shaun moving in so carefully, knows that Zach wants it but he has to be so careful to not scare him off, touching him, then kissing him, touching the back of his head and then......
Zach kisses back! Yes! TOUCHDOWN!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hello, Shakestheground--
Hi, if it's me who posted the three reviews (New York Times, SFChronicle, etc.), I'm John, not Jim (as in john michael maurice gallagher, but whatever--
Thanks for starting the thread in the first place, and thanks for all the great info and vibes (Dank U, Snork)! I can't wait till I finally see the movie
xxx
John
;D
Hello, Shakestheground--
Hi, if it's me who posted the three reviews (New York Times, SFChronicle, etc.), I'm John, not Jim (as in john michael maurice gallagher, but whatever--
Thanks for starting the thread in the first place, and thanks for all the great info and vibes (Dank U, Snork)! I can't wait till I finally see the movie
xxx
John
;D
Mel, did you notice in every scene the moon appeared, it was a full moon?
Well you know if I hadn't opened that spam email I may never have heard about it. But dang when I saw them two I was like "Hello!"
Don't tell me, you need to go and see it again? ;) ;D
I watch about half of it last night (taking notes no less) but it got so slow to down load and it got late so I went to bed. I did see all kinds of things I missed the first time.
Like: Shaun says "I never knew you knew about me" to Zach. I am still trying to figure out what he means. That he was a writer, that he was gay, that he existed, which he obviously did. It seems Shaun taught Zach and Gabe how to surf.
I think he meant "I never knew you knew about what I have been doing the past years since I moved away..."
Oh I was wondering about the conversation in the car, the moment they break up and Zach lashes out at Shaun, telling him to get another fantasy. What do you make of that scene? Do you think Zach at that moment believes that Shaun is taking advantage of him just like his sister tried to make him believe, that to Shaun, Zach was just a summer fuck?
Yeah, I think that is exactly what is going on. Jeanie planted that idea in his head, she is a manipulator and sees this relationship as something she needs to control right away. She is also playing into Zach's masculinity by refering to him in a way that some straight men will from time to time refer to women, thereby cheapening the experence and his self esteme. It is much the same way Gabe views women.
I think he meant "I never knew you knew about what I have been doing the past years since I moved away..."
Oh I was wondering about the conversation in the car, the moment they break up and Zach lashes out at Shaun, telling him to get another fantasy. What do you make of that scene? Do you think Zach at that moment believes that Shaun is taking advantage of him just like his sister tried to make him believe, that to Shaun, Zach was just a summer fuck?
I choose to believe this theory. (Snork, you make it sound so hot and dirty!)
I really enjoyed the movie 'Shelter'. I still don't get the title, though. 'Shelter' from what?
I just wanted to tell you all that I am ignoring ALL your posts here on this thread
j. U. d. E.
Can you tell me a bit more about a region free DVD player? I am not familar with them.
Shelter is also a surfing term, and I think Zach is finally findig Shelter for himself in Shaun, after having given it to everybody around him...
Is there something about this movie you don't know? :o
It's such a silly thing that they have regions still.
Mel you mentioned 10 years difference in ages, I think that is right. When Shaum meets up with Tori again he reminds of her of when she was 13 and he bought them wine coolers. He would have been about 21 to do that, making him about 8 years older than her, and I think she, Zach and Gabe are all about the same age.
In real life Brad Rowe will be 38 in a couple of weeks, I can't find out how old Treavor Wright is.
Did you notice when Zach is talking to Shaun on the walkie talkies he is surrounded in his bed by black and white rectangles on the wall, and when they finish he gets a new marker out. The next time you see that room the rectangles are all colored red.
So why did they need to stop at the clothing store to buy Cody flipflops to go to dinner when he had on a pair of shoes?
Youtube says: This video is not available in your country.
What the fuck? >:(
::)
Hey everyone
My name's Christie and I'm from ennisjack.com, Mel told me there was a Shelter thread here to come and look. I've just got caught up on it and its great to know there are other fans of this awesome film. I watched it a couple of nights ago and cant stop thinking about it! I'm kind of hooked. ;)
Love all the discussions, theories, opinions, vids, pics......I hope to join in, when I can stop swooning! :laugh:
Hey everyone
My name's Christie and I'm from ennisjack.com, Mel told me there was a Shelter thread here to come and look. I've just got caught up on it and its great to know there are other fans of this awesome film. I watched it a couple of nights ago and cant stop thinking about it! I'm kind of hooked. ;)
Love all the discussions, theories, opinions, vids, pics......I hope to join in, when I can stop swooning! :laugh:
And this, one of my favorite scenes in gay themed cinema, Sean Hayes and Brad Rowe dance to Petula Clark:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EONblZu7iqQ&feature=related[/youtube]
ok ok!! I will look for the DVD!! Ya'll done talked me into it!
:laugh: :laugh:
Hey everyone
My name's Christie and I'm from ennisjack.com, Mel told me there was a Shelter thread here to come and look. I've just got caught up on it and its great to know there are other fans of this awesome film. I watched it a couple of nights ago and cant stop thinking about it! I'm kind of hooked. ;)
Love all the discussions, theories, opinions, vids, pics......I hope to join in, when I can stop swooning! :laugh:
Wuuuuhahahahaha! We're evil, aren't we (*needs those devil smileys they have over at ennisjack*). Don't worry, you will be thanking us once you've seen this movie...
8)
how did you watch it? Is it in a theatre there?
ya'll are...making me watch good movies!! Absolutely Machiavellian!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I can send you the links of where I saw it online, if you want? You can still order the DVD of course (I am even doing that, even if I don't know for sure if I will be able to watch it because of the region problem), but at least you will be able to see it sooner than 27 May.
I solved the region problem thing ages ago on my player by typing into google how to convert to a multi-region player. Its really easy. And believe me I am no technical whizz kid!!!
Often times I find myself caught someplace between appreciating how fortunate I am I don't have to deal with such issues too much, and wondering what it must be like to have to put up with stuff like that.
(and a third path: wonder what I'm missing?)
Do you mean when you watch the movie?
Nah, when I think about (and this is my perception of the situation) that the US is at the center of everything, and we fall short when it comes to things like formats, and customs and languages and outlooks. We don't do enough to bridge the gap with the rest of the world.
But at least we as a community now seem like we can circumvent the format problem.
Hey did you notice when Zach starts getting inspired to paint again he is not doing tags of industrial scenes, but a large mural of a great sheltering tree?
I'm intrigued by that ring he's wearing on his right hand. I couldn't find a clear picture of it. *looks expectantly at Mel* ;)
OMG I love this movie.I have here!tv and I have sen it a bunch of times. I can not wait fot the dvd to come out. Maybe they will have deleted scenes.
I have read the whole thread and I have so many thoughts and everything but they are really jumbled.
Somebody ask me a question about the movie or what I thought so I can just answer one thing at a time.
I do not see this as a anit brokeback. I see it as a possibility in this day and age. Hopefully we have come a long way from the 1960's when it was not even talked about.
I thnk that Zach had leanings that way and knew about Shaun and maybe had "fantasies" about him so when they had the argument in the car he was saying how HE (Zach) felt but lashed out at Shaun and turned it on him. Sort of like the guy at school who calls every one "fag" because he does not want anyone to know that he is. Make sense?
Michelle
Where would I see that film? I have seen the British film "Beautiful Thing" really liked that coming out and of age film.
I think Zach knew Shaun was gay but it sounds like the book Shaun wrote filled in a lot of gaps. He said, "just changed the names?" Maybe that is why he never told Gabe he read the book.
Michelle
Thanks for the welcome. I have been a bad girl. I have been lurking for a while just not too much to say I guess. Considering I live in the 5th largest city in the US Shelter is not showing here either. But I have here!v so I can watch it but plan to buy the dvd once it comes out. *girly squeal* Sorry it just slipped out.
Michelle
Thanks for the welcome. I have been a bad girl. I have been lurking for a while just not too much to say I guess. Considering I live in the 5th largest city in the US Shelter is not showing here either. But I have here!v so I can watch it but plan to buy the dvd once it comes out. *girly squeal* Sorry it just slipped out.
Michelle
I liked the chemistry between the two male leads. I like that they told the story without resorting to 'stereotypical' behaviour...this is just two guys that happen to fall in love.
(although I think Shaun was already in love to start with...I love the scene where he is watching home movies of Gabe and Zack while he was talking to Zack on the walkie talkie....that was very erotic to me for some reason...)
OMG I love this movie.I have here!tv and I have sen it a bunch of times. I can not wait fot the dvd to come out. Maybe they will have deleted scenes.
I have read the whole thread and I have so many thoughts and everything but they are really jumbled.
Somebody ask me a question about the movie or what I thought so I can just answer one thing at a time.
I do not see this as a anit brokeback. I see it as a possibility in this day and age. Hopefully we have come a long way from the 1960's when it was not even talked about.
I thnk that Zach had leanings that way and knew about Shaun and maybe had "fantasies" about him so when they had the arguement in the car he was saying how HE (Zach) felt but lashed out at Shaun and turned it on him. Sort of like the guy at school who calls every one "fag" because he does not want anyone to know that he is. Make sense?
Michelle
I've decided i wont go into what i dont like about this film, for it doesnt warrant much after we see the ending. The end of this film is what makes it all worth it. I'm talking about the last thirty seconds. It just wraps the movie up for me, it makes it all the worth, it takes away all the melodrama, the stereotypes and predictability. I'm not sure what it is, but i know it brought the only tear to my eye. Simply beautiful.....
I agree with you "Joseph Golden", I am not sure how it plays with others, or even non Brokies, but after a couple of years living with the memory of Jack and Ennis and their unrequieted love, to see the ending of Shelter is like exhaling, it is like breathing, finally, to me.
I liked the chemistry between the two male leads. I like that they told the story without resorting to 'stereotypical' behaviour...this is just two guys that happen to fall in love.
(although I think Shaun was already in love to start with...I love the scene where he is watching home movies of Gabe and Zack while he was talking to Zack on the walkie talkie....that was very erotic to me for some reason...)
From Shelter (2007)
He has one small scene, while driving home, that had the Outfest audience thunderously cheering, and all it involves is a slow, satisfied smile that creeps across his lips. And that's just one of many truly lovely moments.
I remember that scene well, and knowing a theater full of people cheered it is heart warming. It is like when he can be safe and alone he can let himself enjoy what he just did.
About Zach knowing about Shaun, I think he did way back - when Shaun says 'I never knew you knew about me' I think it was very obvious that Shaun meant 'Zach knew about him being gay'.
And what about the right on a chain that he is wearing around his neck? Maybe that is his mothers wedding band?
I have been trying to figure our where that is at their house, like on a patio or a driveway.
I just can't get over Jeanie would leave her son behind to be with some guy. I know it has happened in real life, but damn, the look on Zach;s face as they frive away he is so angry at her, but it all works out.
I thought about that too, but Zach asks Shaun about his break up before they talk about his book. It seem like he knows about Shaun, I guess Shaun could be assuming he thinks he broke up with a woman. Cody seems to have no problem with his brother being gay, I would imagine Zach would have know about Shaun from Gabe, but kept that he read Shaun's book, which must have had some risque material, from Gabe so he wouldn't be suspect.
yes, he asks about the breakup BEFORE he mentions the book.
Now what was REALLY interesting to me was the exchange about the book....Shaun says "Gabe never told me" that Zack had read the book...makes me wonder if Gabe knew that Shaun had a thing for Zach already. cause I think Shaun (whether consciously or not) came back to the area because of Zack...
Interesting. This might be true. I also had a feeling that Shaun had seen the home video before, that he was looking for it and not just stumbled across it.
Have you already seen it?
I thought about that too, but Zach asks Shaun about his break up before they talk about his book. It seem like he knows about Shaun, I guess Shaun could be assuming he thinks he broke up with a woman. Cody seems to have no problem with his brother being gay, I would imagine Zach would have know about Shaun from Gabe, but kept that he read Shaun's book, which must have had some risque material, from Gabe so he wouldn't be suspect.
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yes, he asks about the breakup BEFORE he mentions the book.
Now what was REALLY interesting to me was the exchange about the book....Shaun says "Gabe never told me" that Zack had read the book...makes me wonder if Gabe knew that Shaun had a thing for Zach already. cause I think Shaun (whether consciously or not) came back to the area because of Zack...Interesting. This might be true. I also had a feeling that Shaun had seen the home video before, that he was looking for it and not just stumbled across it.
I see that earlier I messed up when I said Cody didn't have a problem with his brother being gay, when I should have said Gabe didn't have a problem with his brother being gay.
I think Zach must have recognized that music from the video, "What are you watch" or "listening too" he askes, expectantly. I think he is so happy to have someone to connect with. Gabe is gone and he has no close friends it looks like.
As for the age difference I would say they are at least 8 years apart. Zach and Gabe apparently learned how to surf from him. He probably went off to college when they were maybe 10 or 12.
But now don't you think Shaun was on the rebound when he moved back?
the more I think about it the more I am feeling that he came back because of Zach...not because of the free rent.
Hm, that's not so much how I see it. I have a feeling Shaun did come back home to heal from a break-up and possibly to get some sense of secureness and familiarity that his little hometown could give, instead of a big anonymous city like Los Angeles. How many years ago did Shaun leave? I mean he couldn't have been in love with a teenager back then and hoping to come back to a grown man, who would possibly be feeling the same way towards him.
I think it's when he has actually started to get to 'know' grown up Zach that he realises that there could be something happening between the two, that he digs out the video.
Just a thought.
j. U. d. E.
I may be totally off though! I need to see it again!
If I squee one more time about this movie I do believe my child will move out of the house. (Maybe I should squee some more>lol).
The first beach scene with Zach, Shaun and Tori and that guy asks Zach if he is a fag because Tori is so hot do you notice that he looks at Shuan as soon as the guy says it. Zach knows that Shaun is gay. Then he asks him if he is dating anyone. Like he is feeling him out. Zach has a crush but does not realize it.
Zach lets Shaun look at his drawings even though he says nobody looks at them, how sad not even his sister or Gabe or Tori?
Hey Chelle! That's just too funny. I'm watching Shelter again right this minute and I am at that scene on the beach with the guy asking Zach if his a 'fag'. And you are right, Zach looks at Shaun instantly and Shaun kind of smiling an looking down, is standing up and Zach is following him. Like you say, he seems to have crush on Shaun already but is not realizing it. I wonder, if this on and off again relationship with Tori is already a sign, that Zach doesn't feel that the intimacy he has with a girl is what he really enjoys. At some point he actually says that he and Tori are best friends (rather than a couple.. ?).
About Zach not showing his pictures to anyone, I totally understand. I've been painting for a couple of years now and haven't shown anything to anyone.. Heck, I don't even look at my paintings myself (but that's gonna change ..). It's because he probably doesn't think his work is accomplished yet. It's not 'final' or ready to be seen. I'm guessing he is not yet convinced (or convincing himself) that his art is worth anything, let alone to be seen (and judged) by anyone.
j. U. d. E.
Ok I have a question that has not even been touched on. Who is the top and bottom? I say a little of each.
Ok I have a question that has not even been touched on. Who is the top and bottom? I say a little of each.
Why does everyone want to know who the the 'top' and who is the 'bottom'?
I've wondered the very same thing Oscar. ???
Actually Jess, in many gay relationships the "top and bottom" are quite set and defined. I know some gay people who "switch roles", but mostly it's not like that. At least it's like that in my relationship, all of my previous relationships, and most of my friends too.
really? huh!!
Maybe they do it differently in Texas! ;) ;D
We've managed to send another thread OT again Jess! Truman is gonna KILL US! :P :D
Why does everyone want to know who the the 'top' and who is the 'bottom'?
Girls (most of which are straight) wanna know who is top and bottom.
Brad
and???
;D ;)
Use your imagination. And thanks for quickly making my point ;)
Brad
Girls (most of which are straight) wanna know who is top and bottom.
Brad
I do not think that got them outed but obviously Tori talks to Zach's sister (which makes sense as they work in the same place).
We've managed to send another thread OT again Jess! Truman is gonna KILL US! :P :D
This thread really took off huh?
I have another question. Do you think Jeanne found out from Cody?
I'm asking because the first thing she said in the living room was "Tell me that he's just confused" and I think she was referring to Cody.
I can completely understand this...a few years ago a woman asked me to do a graphite drawing of a tiger for her to give as a gift. She wouldn't take it without paying and wouldn't tell me what she wanted to pay..so. I charged her $25.[OOh! I understand your discomfort! Totally. Thinking about it would keep bugging me like that too. I will actually exhibit some of my stuff at the end of the year. It's going to be the first time ever! There'll be three of us. One of them had her paintings in an exhibition for the first time 2 years ago and she even sold 4 paintings (not to people she knew). She said it was a real thrill! But I wonder how you put prices on your pictures?! I have no clue whatsoever and I really don't feel like anyone's gonna want to buy anyway (that's not why I'll exhibit, but some part of me does want to know if people could/would like my stuff..). Then I have the problem to give away (or sell in this case) anything I do (I draw and take pictures too), because most of the time it is not finished (in my view) [someone once told me that this means something... when you never finish a painting or drawing.. Whatevva!].
and to this day I cringe at the thought that I actually CHARGED her!
I'm a straight woman and I couldn't care less. ;D
It struck me that Zack never had to come out to anyone (other than himself maybe). Everyone knew already. Kind of symbolic for the way he put everyone else's needs before his own.Hey Fabienne! I said the exact same thing in an earlier thread! Don't'ya read? And it's Zach, not Zack!
Cody was sleeping on the couch when Shaun took Zack in his arms (*siggggghhhhhh*). But remember when Zach and Gabe were in the car and Gabe wanted to smoke a joint, Zach objected because Cody was in the car. Gabe said 'he's asleep', but Cody wasn't and then Zach said that Cody was good at pretending to be asleep.
It struck me that Zack never had to come out to anyone (other than himself maybe). Everyone knew already. Kind of symbolic for the way he put everyone else's needs before his own.
I guess it's official now... I'm hooked! :)
I forgot about that they work together! That makes sense.... I like Tori, she is a very believable character to me, they could have easily made her into a stereotype blonde bimbo type scorned girlfriend, but she is yet another wonderful friend for Zach, just like Gabe is.
This thread really took off huh?
I have another question. Do you think Jeanne found out from Cody?
I'm asking because the first thing she said in the living room was "Tell me that he's just confused" and I think she was referring to Cody.
YOU GUYS!!!! >:( ::)
[OOh! I understand your discomfort! Totally. Thinking about it would keep bugging me like that too. I will actually exhibit some of my stuff at the end of the year. It's going to be the first time ever! There'll be three of us. One of them had her paintings in an exhibition for the first time 2 years ago and she even sold 4 paintings (not to people she knew). She said it was a real thrill! But I wonder how you put prices on your pictures?! I have no clue whatsoever and I really don't feel like anyone's gonna want to buy anyway (that's not why I'll exhibit, but some part of me does want to know if people could/would like my stuff..). Then I have the problem to give away (or sell in this case) anything I do (I draw and take pictures too), because most of the time it is not finished (in my view) [someone once told me that this means something... when you never finish a painting or drawing.. Whatevva!].
About the exhibit - my friend told me, when you give a price that's too low, people wonder, because they will think/sense that you don't appreciate your own work. Aaah, I have a few more months to think about this, but it really bugs me.. Sometimes I'm shocked at the prices you see on paintings in small art galleries! How dare they? How do the artists expect to sell??]
Parenthesis closed. :) But the guys there highjacked this thread too, so..
j. U. d. E.
Yes, I think she did.
Cody was sleeping on the couch when Shaun took Zack in his arms (*siggggghhhhhh*). But remember when Zach and Gabe were in the car and Gabe wanted to smoke a joint, Zach objected because Cody was in the car. Gabe said 'he's asleep', but Cody wasn't and then Zach said that Cody was good at pretending to be asleep.
So I think Cody saw them together. But I also think Jeanne knew something was up. She asked Zach outright if he was a 'fag' and he never denied it. He just said 'what do you think?'. And when Cody told her about the dinner at Shaun's place, she put two and two together.
It struck me that Zack never had to come out to anyone (other than himself maybe). Everyone knew already. Kind of symbolic for the way he put everyone else's needs before his own.
I guess it's official now... I'm hooked! :)
Yeah, that's pretty original about the movie. He never had to tell anybody "I have to tell you something. I'm gay." Which just shows how well Tori knows Zach and I just loved Gabe in that scene, those little "OK"s when Zach gets angry. I reallllly wish we could have seen more of him at the end too. He really played an important part in the whole storyline and he did have a lot to process (I thought it wasn't fair of Zach to turn the "it's a lot to take" comment back on him, he should've realised it wasn't easy for Gabe to realise that his best friend is gay and his own brother helped him out of the closet. LOL.)
I am so happy you are hooked on this movie too, Fabienne! :-*
We've managed to send another thread OT again Jess! Truman is gonna KILL US! :P :D
I have another question. Do you think Jeanne found out from Cody?
I'm asking because the first thing she said in the living room was "Tell me that he's just confused" and I think she was referring to Cody.
I am going to squeeeee a little here...
Don't you all love the walkie-talkie scene at the end and Zach's voice when he says "Student bad. Made a bad judgement call."?
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE! I love their voices, there is something so sexy about their voices. I was thinking it might be the California lazy drawl that I am attracted too (I lived in LA for a year).
Cody was sleeping on the couch when Shaun took Zack in his arms (*siggggghhhhhh*). But remember when Zach and Gabe were in the car and Gabe wanted to smoke a joint, Zach objected because Cody was in the car. Gabe said 'he's asleep', but Cody wasn't and then Zach said that Cody was good at pretending to be asleep.
I guess it's official now... I'm hooked! :)
yes, I wish there HAD been more of Gabe later in the movie. It WAS a lot for him to process....not only did his own brother ''help him out of the closet'' but his best friend and his brother had formed a relationship that was more intimate then his own relationship with either....he HAD to be feeling a bit left out...third wheelish...
Gabe was a compelling character, but he was necessarily shallow, all show, all bluster.
Granted he was hung over when he got to the diner, and had no idea how to deal with it, he got his point out there that it was okay and should have left it at that. The writers knew better, it was an opportunity to get in that "thing" I tried to start a thread on once and I still don't think I got myself understood.
Gabe says "Guys give better head don't they?" and starts off on this thing I have experenced many times when a straight male acquaintence suddenly gets real interested in what I do in bed. It can be off putting, and because of Gabe's shallowness he cannot see that Zach is not about all that, he is dealing with something much more profound.
Now let me ask this: Did they ever say they loved each other?
Now let me ask this: Did they ever say they loved each other?
now I gotta see it again....I forgot about that last scene with the walkie talkies...
I could not imagine...I would be totally confused and stressed! Good luck with it though...I would like to hear more..and see your work! (maybe you should start a blog????) ;D ;D
*Jess shamelessly putting in a plug for the Bettermost Blogs*
But I really like the first walkie-talkie scene too. Where Shaun finds it and playfully talks into it and ends up contacting Zach! I love it how they show them both 'stuck' at home (sitting on a bed - parallelisms..). I love how Shaun is startled when he gets a reply (weird one no less) and how he smiles into his walkie talkie when he realizes that it's Zach at the other end. Sweet. They are connecting. [But HOW would the batteries still work after 10 years! Not possible! But I guess, for the movie it had to.. ;D] Sweet also, when the batteries do die and you just both see them sit there and smile.
j. U. d. E.
Gabe says "Guys give better head don't they?" and starts off on this thing I have experenced many times when a straight male acquaintence suddenly gets real interested in what I do in bed. It can be off putting, and because of Gabe's shallowness he cannot see that Zach is not about all that, he is dealing with something much more profound.I didn't see it that way, actually. I thought Gabe was just trying to defuse the situation, put Zach at ease. He didn't really want an answer!
But I really like the first walkie-talkie scene too. Where Shaun finds it and playfully talks into it and ends up contacting Zach! I love it how they show them both 'stuck' at home (sitting on a bed - parallelisms..). I love how Shaun is startled when he gets a reply (weird one no less) and how he smiles into his walkie talkie when he realizes that it's Zach at the other end. Sweet. They are connecting. [But HOW would the batteries still work after 10 years! Not possible! But I guess, for the movie it had to.. ;D] Sweet also, when the batteries do die and you just both see them sit there and smile.
j. U. d. E.
I didn't see it that way, actually. I thought Gabe was just trying to defuse the situation, put Zach at ease. He didn't really want an answer!
I wonder if anyone will decide to start writing fanfic based on this story? I've never been overly crazy about fanfic, but I might read it if somebody here wrote it.
Melissa? Truman? Who else writes fanfic in here? What do you all think? Are there any ideas for stories popping up in your heads?
I llike the scene right after they kiss for the first time and Zach wakes up to find Shaun has fallen asleep next to him...I guess Shaun was just watching him sleep....so tender...
yes, I wish there HAD been more of Gabe later in the movie.
Yeah, I have ideas, but I am like Mel, there is never enough time.
Did you notice how Zach keeps wearing Shaun shirt long after the party?
Also regarding the name, by the end of the movie Zach can't go back to the house with Jeanie and Cody, he is sleeping in his car, at least when he goes to CalArts, and then comes back and asks Tori if he can stay with her. I am not real clear on why, he just don't want to deal with Jeanie?
Okay, I just watched the movie again. :)
I'll go to amazon next and order the dvd. I'll manage to sort out the 'region' thing even though I'm not very technical...
I think one of the things that attracted Shaun to Zach (other than his amazing good looks of course ::) ;D) was his strong sense of family. The way Shaun immediately hit it off with Cody, wanting to be around him and playing with him on the beach (Cody:'I need to forty-five the castle' LOL!! He's so adorable), Shaun was yearning for 'family'. He pointed out to Zach twice that his dad was his stepdad, so he probably didn't have much of a relationship with him. That's why I thought if was very fitting that Cody was hugging Shaun during the last scene as his mum drove away. It's little things like this that really make this movie stand out I think. I can't believe they shot this in only 18 days...amazing!
The character Jeanie is really something. I am glad you went ahead and called her a bitch, that is exactly what she is. She has this son that she will throw away to be with some looser, her identity being so tightly tied to her being in a relationship with a man, she gives him the food off her plate when he asks is there more.
Cody is so much better with Zach and Shaun.
I thought it was interesting how Shaun held back at the car before Zach came back to hold his hand and 'dragged' him with him. When Zach does that, you can see how Shaun is really nervous and NOT looking forward to meeting Jeanne again. The bitch doesn't even have the decency to say hi, just says What is he doing here? How nasty of her, treating him like trash.
I was disappointed with the mother's character. Surely she is not typical. Mothers in general get a bad rap in movies. The "Mommmie Dearest" syndrome.
The character Jeanie is really something. I am glad you went ahead and called her a bitch, that is exactly what she is. She has this son that she will throw away to be with some looser, her identity being so tightly tied to her being in a relationship with a man, she gives him the food off her plate when he asks is there more.
Cody is so much better with Zach and Shaun.
Zach was the doormat of the family. The ones everyone wiped their feet on so they would not be at the bottom.
Now Zach's behavior I can recognize, he is sublimating himself and his life to make up for his preceived short comings, that is being gay. He even turns down a scholarship to CalArts and tells his family he was not good enough to fulfill this goal.
I think in a way Cody is his salvation as he sees he will have to stand up and take what he wants so that he and Cody can have shelter and break the cycle before Cody starts to sublimate himself for whatever reason.
Zach was the doormat of the family. The ones everyone wiped their feet on so they would not be at the bottom.
Now Zach's behavior I can recognize, he is sublimating himself and his life to make up for his preceived short comings, that is being gay. He even turns down a scholarship to CalArts and tells his family he was not good enough to fulfill this goal.
I think in a way Cody is his salvation as he sees he will have to stand up and take what he wants so that he and Cody can have shelter and break the cycle before Cody starts to sublimate himself for whatever reason.
I think Jeanne was used as a doormat too. The difference with Zach was that she decided it was okay to use other people (Zach) too as a doormat. Because Zach had 'the family gene' he was able to break the cycle.
Hey Marie! I agree about the better place for Cody, and I think it was a good thing that Jeanne left Cody with Z and S because her boyfriend didn't like kids. I wonder though if she will ever come back to claim him?
Hey Marie! I agree about the better place for Cody, and I think it was a good thing that Jeanne left Cody with Z and S because her boyfriend didn't like kids. I wonder though if she will ever come back to claim him?
On the other hand, I think the actress herself, Tina Holmes, is terrific--and quite the opposite from her role as 'Jeanne'--look:
Shelter has been nominated for "Best Gay Kiss" at the NewNowNext Awards (which is featured heaily on Logo).
Go to: http://www.afterelton.com/blog/brianjuergens/afterelton-hosts-new-now-next-best-kiss-category-vote-now?&comment=40305
and cast your vote today!
*Faints*
Have you posted this on ennisjack or shall I do it?
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the website says 'Shaun (Brad Rowe) gets horizontal with Zach (Travis Wright) in sufer movie Shelter'
Travis???
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the website says 'Shaun (Brad Rowe) gets horizontal with Zach (Travis Wright) in sufer movie Shelter'
Travis???
:laugh:
Yeah, I think it's a pretty safe bet that Allen isn't going to turn out to be Jeanne's dream man :-\ - but I think the problems with Jeanne go far beyond the fact that Allen didn't like kids. Some people are not meant to be parents, and with or without a loser boyfriend, Jeanne is one of those people. So she may come back from Oregon faster than she expects, but I just can't see her actively seeking to take Cody back on her own and assume all the responsibilities that would entail. I get the impression she'd just as soon let Zach and Shaun do the hard stuff and she'd do the taking out for ice cream, quick trip to McDonald's type of stuff.
I agree that the actress did a great job with the role!
Marie
Well, I just checked the BestBuy and Circuit City websites and guess what? They won't be stocking Shelter in their stores on May 27. Can you believe it?
I have seen some of the most filthy, trashy, vile, putrid, awful, disgraceful, vulgar, horrible, appalling, atrocious movies ever to land on the face of the earth sold in those stores. Trashy, cheap, B rated (and probably C rated too, if there is such a catagory) movies lining their shelves. But a movie like Shelter? No. They're NOT going to do it. >:(
You have to order it, and they'll ship it to you. So guess what I just did? I went to the Amazon website and bought the movie from THEM! :laugh:
And I just fired off a very mean email to both BestBuy and Circuit City. I'm almost sorry I did that now. I'm ALMOST sorry.
Dumbass stores. >:(
Geez, I hope my rant didn't kill this thread! It's happened before. I'll shoot my mouth off about something and the thread suddenly dies. I did it over on another forum yesterday and it's still going strong, so perhaps my "kiss of death" thread curse only works on Bettermost. :(
PLEASE don't stop posting in here just because I popped off yesterday. I'm sorry I did it. :(
Goodmorning! :)
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Goodmorning! :)
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Wow, not only the two gorgeous men, but look at that amazing view, I would kill for that view, honestly.
LOL
My thoughts: keep the men (they have more fun with each other than they'd ever have with me anyway ;D) - but I WANT THAT HOUSE!
Can you imagine to have THAT view from your bedroom? I'd turn the bed around - you bet.
Oh, I wouldn't mind the house, but I don't mind looking at that picture either! :P
In fact, I just watched the movie again. I enjoyed it very much, again! LOL
Mel, you said that 'shelter' is a surfer term. What exactly does it mean?
Silly goose! You didn't kill the thread! We have slowed down a bit cause those of us that have seen it are kinda waiting for the rest of ya'll to get it so we can start back up fresh!!!
Not Indy's doing, but all the rancour against the mother character was a little harsh, and right around Mother's Day!!
This was one of the replies by someone who obviously didn't think much of this film:
Shelter was the name of a beautiful surf video by Moonshine Experiment produced by Jack Johnson, Taylor Steele and Chris Malloy. I hate to see a movie like that robbed of its title by some attempt at an emotionally charged exploration film with surfing involved. Find the original Shelter clips on youtube and enjoy. If you like it find a copy in a local surf shop. We live in a time where we can share what we love and leave the large studios to push their crap down each other's throats so let's make use of it.
Mystery solved.
I would love to watch it again too, but my computer keeps crashing [I have to write fast, just in case it happens again now..] *grrrr* - this has been going on ever since last summer!
Anyway, SHELTER is on my Amazon.com pre-order list! Can't wait to watch it on normal screen and pristine quality! ;D
Fabienne, on EEN (Flemish TV channel) there was just a live concert of Stan van Samang! I bet you know him! I had heard of him for the first time only a couple of days ago and dong, there is a concert on tv. This guy is cute and good! I love what he sings (he sings only(?) in English). I was thinking of SHELTER while listening to him. His music fits the movie, I think. It looks like he is a very humble guy and so talented!
j. U. d. E.
Howdy all. A little internet bird told me this forum discusses this movie. Thanks to rightwhere_u_r's link, who I think is Snork here, I watched the movie a million times on the internet, and in processing and re-processing it, I am glad to have a place to post some thoughts. Also, I have found a lot of the reviews out there to be incredibly superficial, so that's another reason it's good to have a place like this! I skimmed the 26 pages of posts here, but please forgive me if I am redundant. These are the main themes of my thoughts:
The tragedy of Jeanne's life definitely clouds the happy ending of the film and makes me wonder why it is still considered a "feel good" movie. (I like the inclusion of her character, and am just saying how it effects my emotional reaction to the film.) She is going off with a man who is at least on some level abusive. She is leaving the only anchors she has, for something with hardly a remote chance of helping her life. She has lived in direct contrast to Zach's beauty, generosity, artistic gifts, ability to escape to the ocean, and now, a life with a respectful, giving partner. Looking to the future, her own options seem to be some kind of life with someone with no obviously redeeming qualities except the willingness to have her (but not the one she gave birth to) around. If she comes back from Oregon, where can she fit in to the family that is taking shape? Her character is done really well, I think, and adds a really interesting dimension to the film.
I wonder about Zach's decision to apply/go to art school being almost indistinguishable from his decision to be with Shaun. What if he had not gotten in, could there still be a healthy coming out and possibility of making a relationship with Shaun? In the otherwise wonderful final walkie-talkie scene, I feel like the move to be together was completely couched in terms of school. I did love in this scene that Zach said, "can you help me?" -- thereby making his move to "take what he wants" in this world, and accept help in doing so. And while I know there does not have to be blatant language about resuming/confirming their relationship, I wish he had said something that told Shaun he was accepting his sexuality and their relationship. Anyway, I loved the scene.
I like Shaun's character and wonder if he was kept purposefully a bit vague (what's the story of his breakup, how does he feel about falling in love with someone younger, etc.?) I love his equilibrium somehow, even though some critics have said he is too even-keeled! I love that he left a breakup and is coming back with two of his own new guys! Aesthetically, I loved Zach's street and bedroom art, and the "ghetto" of San Pedro backdrop, and loved them in the ocean. Okay, I haven't said much in the end, and now I am posting and running, but thanks for the Shelter topic here. I hope to be back!
I wonder about Zach's decision to apply/go to art school being almost indistinguishable from his decision to be with Shaun. What if he had not gotten in, could there still be a healthy coming out and possibility of making a relationship with Shaun?
LOL
My thoughts: keep the men (they have more fun with each other than they'd ever have with me anyway ;D) - but I WANT THAT HOUSE!
Can you imagine to have THAT view from your bedroom? I'd turn the bed around - you bet.
Howdy all. A little internet bird told me this forum discusses this movie. Thanks to rightwhere_u_r's link, who I think is Snork here, I watched the movie a million times on the internet, and in processing and re-processing it, I am glad to have a place to post some thoughts. Also, I have found a lot of the reviews out there to be incredibly superficial, so that's another reason it's good to have a place like this! I skimmed the 26 pages of posts here, but please forgive me if I am redundant. These are the main themes of my thoughts:
The tragedy of Jeanne's life definitely clouds the happy ending of the film and makes me wonder why it is still considered a "feel good" movie. (I like the inclusion of her character, and am just saying how it effects my emotional reaction to the film.) She is going off with a man who is at least on some level abusive. She is leaving the only anchors she has, for something with hardly a remote chance of helping her life. She has lived in direct contrast to Zach's beauty, generosity, artistic gifts, ability to escape to the ocean, and now, a life with a respectful, giving partner. Looking to the future, her own options seem to be some kind of life with someone with no obviously redeeming qualities except the willingness to have her (but not the one she gave birth to) around. If she comes back from Oregon, where can she fit in to the family that is taking shape? Her character is done really well, I think, and adds a really interesting dimension to the film.
I wonder about Zach's decision to apply/go to art school being almost indistinguishable from his decision to be with Shaun. What if he had not gotten in, could there still be a healthy coming out and possibility of making a relationship with Shaun? In the otherwise wonderful final walkie-talkie scene, I feel like the move to be together was completely couched in terms of school. I did love in this scene that Zach said, "can you help me?" -- thereby making his move to "take what he wants" in this world, and accept help in doing so. And while I know there does not have to be blatant language about resuming/confirming their relationship, I wish he had said something that told Shaun he was accepting his sexuality and their relationship. Anyway, I loved the scene.
I like Shaun's character and wonder if he was kept purposefully a bit vague (what's the story of his breakup, how does he feel about falling in love with someone younger, etc.?) I love his equilibrium somehow, even though some critics have said he is too even-keeled! I love that he left a breakup and is coming back with two of his own new guys! Aesthetically, I loved Zach's street and bedroom art, and the "ghetto" of San Pedro backdrop, and loved them in the ocean. Okay, I haven't said much in the end, and now I am posting and running, but thanks for the Shelter topic here. I hope to be back!
The tragedy of Jeanne's life definitely clouds the happy ending of the film and makes me wonder why it is still considered a "feel good" movie. (I like the inclusion of her character, and am just saying how it effects my emotional reaction to the film.) She is going off with a man who is at least on some level abusive. She is leaving the only anchors she has, for something with hardly a remote chance of helping her life. She has lived in direct contrast to Zach's beauty, generosity, artistic gifts, ability to escape to the ocean, and now, a life with a respectful, giving partner. Looking to the future, her own options seem to be some kind of life with someone with no obviously redeeming qualities except the willingness to have her (but not the one she gave birth to) around. If she comes back from Oregon, where can she fit in to the family that is taking shape? Her character is done really well, I think, and adds a really interesting dimension to the film.
pull up a log and stick a boot in the fire!
And you have great taste in men! LOL Yeah, Stan is very talented. A good singer and a good actor. And not bad on the eyes either!
I have always leaned away from seeing Ennis as as flawed an individual as some do, thinking more about his place and time and circumstance. But free will has got to figure in there, I know.
I think that aside from Zach coming to understand his sexuality, he badly needed the friendship and company and warmth that Shaun offered.
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I finally saw SHELTER last night as part of the InsideOut film fest here in Toronto. I really enjoyed it even though it felt a bit like an after-school propaganda piece. The story was very predictable (almost from the start i wondered how they were going to make the mother disappear.) and I was disappointed that the straight couple had to be portrayed so negatively in order to make the gay couple acceptable parents by comparison. I mean only the most rabid homophobe would object to Cody going off to live with Zach & Shaun. Why do they have to make everything so black & white and obvious? Having said that, the adorable lead, Trevor Wright (who reminded me of Jake G) is a revelation and IMO elevates and saves the film. The theatre was packed and people loved it like mad!
I mean only the most rabid homophobe would object to Cody going off to live with Zach & Shaun. Why do they have to make everything so black & white and obvious?
Having said that, the adorable lead, Trevor Wright (who reminded me of Jake G) is a revelation and IMO elevates and saves the film.
The theatre was packed and people loved it like mad!
Well, I think I'll be able to see this movie on Monday, thanks to Melissa. I can't wait to watch it!
I don't know what in the ding-dang-dingidy-dong I'm going to do between now and then. Hunker down and pray for daylight I guess. :-\
I feel as if I'm experiencing withdrawal symptoms from this movie and I haven't even seen it yet! :laugh: :laugh:
>:( >:(
Oh sweetie! I'm so sorry it didn't arrive today!!!! :'(
I wonder where it is right now? It's probably sitting there at the post office. I'm tempted to go down there, sneak through a window and get it! >:( >:(
ummm....should we start collecting money to bail you out of jail right now or should we wait for the call??
I do have one small itty bitty complaint about the movie. Small itty bitty......
ZACH PLEASE PULL UP YOUR PANTS!!
If it doesn't show up tomorrow, I really will creep in there probably.
I'll bet I could break into that post office if I tried hard enough. I'm a sneaky little shit. ;) :laugh:
Oh the DVD info is out, the extras:
A photo gallery, a trailer, a half-hour making-of featurette that aired on the here! network, a music video for Shane Mock's "Lie to Me," and a chummy commentary track by writer-director Jonah Markowitz and stars Trevor Wright and Brad Rowe.
Wright's naiveté is adorable (he acknowledges the difficulty of acting and driving at the same time)
--and Rowe, who accuses Wright of having farted under the covers during one of their make-out sessions, shoots the shit as if he's made this movie a million times before.
Hey where's that featurette, I want it!
That is so cool. I can't wait to see all the extra (an will probably wonder the rest of my life why Focus Features can't/couldn't do the same for BBM).
I do have one small itty bitty complaint about the movie. Small itty bitty......
ZACH PLEASE PULL UP YOUR PANTS!!
It drives me crazy. That is all. Sorry for the rant.
I know what you mean, JMMG, I want to be able to curle up in front of the TV, see a high deff. viewing of Zach and Shaun and not have to move a mouse to keep the window open, or click on another link, just enjoy it from begining to glorious end.
One of the things I like is that it is contained, it shows probably one season in their lives, who knows maybe even 17 days. Shows them making the right choice and moving forward with it.
What I am thinking now, some 2 + years after having seen Brokeback, is that part of its appeal is that is shows how a lot of relationships, if not a majority end up, lovers drifted apart, loss, coping with what ifs. Shelter just has the good part, the two guys ment to be together being together. Period. No arguments or infidelity or dissapointments, just that wonderful ending that I won't give away. ;)
Hang in there John.
I've posted this before, but if a fellow brokie needs a shelter fix, I'm happy to oblige. :P :)
IT CAME!!!!
IT CAME!! IT CAME!!! IT CAME IT CAME IT CAME!!!!!
I'm going to watch it in a few minutes!!!
I'll let ya'll know what I thought of it! :D
Thanks Melissa!!!
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Where are you now in the movie?
David has probably started watching the movie for the second time. He hasn't got time to tell us what he thinks!
Very understandable David! :)
David has probably started watching the movie for the second time. He hasn't got time to tell us what he thinks!
Very understandable David! :)
Shelter is at the top of my Netflix queue, but apparently I don't get it until May 27! >:( ::) 8)
Yes, I've ordered it too Lynne. I can't wait to watch it on the television! But to help me out between now and then, a little angel named Melissa mailed the movie to me all the way from Amsterdam!! :D
I've watched it three times already. I'll take a short break, brush my dog and cat, and then watch it again! :laugh:
God this movie is so good. I can't believe how good it is! :D
Yes, I've ordered it too Lynne. I can't wait to watch it on the television! But to help me out between now and then, a little angel named Melissa mailed the movie to me all the way from Amsterdam!! :D
I've watched it three times already. I'll take a short break, brush my dog and cat, and then watch it again! :laugh:
God this movie is so good. I can't believe how good it is! :D
Obsesssssssed much? :P
As long as you don't brush your break and take a short cat it's all good! ;D
j. U. d. E.
Okay here is a thought:
What was Zach's plan as for Cody? When he got accepted to CalArts he was already aware of Jeanne's plan to go with Alan to Oregon, and he goes to Shaun saying he needs help. He does not mention Cody but knows Shaun loves him, and then next hing you know they are showing up at the house. Saun is driving so obviously he is ready to pick Cody up and take them with them but it is like when did that conversation take place?
David, glad you got it! Braking into a P.O. is a federal offense you know! (And one I have pondered from time to time. )
that would be a big assumption for him to make without SOME word from Shaun....that Shaun understood they were a package deal...
Obsesssssssed much? :P
As long as you don't brush your break and take a short cat it's all good! ;D
j. U. d. E.
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Well if I do, I'll just blame it on Melissa. She's the one who got me hooked on this movie! ;)
Yeah, she has a lot to answer for! ;)
:-* :-* for Mel.
Yeah David, what do you think of the conflict betwixt public art vs. vandalism? ;D
hey guys!
David has seen the movie (how many times now sweetie?) so we can ask him some questions!
;D
Mel
Has this been discussed already? I haven't gone through the whole thread. I'm as liberal as the next guy and probably more so, but I hate graffiti, especially the ridiculous tagging business. I didn't feel bad at all when, at the end, Zach's mural is being painted over. :)
I can see both sides, I really liked his mural, but you know if he had asked to paint it right there, it might have worked out better for all involved.
Well, I guess we knew that Brad Rowe is gay friendly, but-- :o
My Big Break with Brad Rowe
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9QimYAeO5A[/youtube]
Uhm--what is Brad doing, making--eggs??
Okay, so I came here to tell you I am so obsessed with this movie, that using the satellite feature of google maps I think Zach and Jeanne's house is at the corner of North Palos Verdes Street and West O'Farrell Street in San Pedro.
Hey Mel, can you friend me as well, I would like to take a look. ;D
Mel, I would love to read your story!
Could you please friend me on LJ? violet_salt
Thank you!!!
And maybe you know the answer to this question. How did Zach's sketchbook/portfolio end up at the beach house? Still haven't figured that out. ???
I can't figure that one out either, maybe he brought it with him, but why? He would have to have brought it with him that morning, which is understandable, he could have had it in the car, but how it got to the patio I don't know. ???
I, too, would love to add the list also, and read your story, Mel-- ::)
(but I don't even know how what to do even if befriended, duh-- :-\ )
I should be getting my Shelter DVD Thursday or Friday (with its extras!!)--can I wait, can I stand it??? :P
Oh well. In the meantime, it has been a GLORIOUS, sunny Memorial Day Weekend--
Cheers, all! ;D
xxx
John
Editing! The Cutting Room Floor! More outtakes for us to see in The Criterion Deluxe Edition of SHELTER!!
(Just kidding! :laugh: )
Truman posted this in his blog but I knew there were some other people that *ahem* MIGHT enjoy it here...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc23HMmT2m0[/youtube]
watch at :46 for Zach's smile....that just melts me...he has this very satisfied, 'this is what I want' look...love it. He isn't hesitant or afraid or torn...just happy...it's only there for a second but dang....
Can't watch it, but you mean the little smile he gives Shaun before he kisses him?
I love that, it shows so much for him to feel so comfortable, it's beautiful to see.
Well--not a kiss, no, not exactly-- ;)
Ok, by the way, I'm now on livejournal as--what else?--jmmgallagher (Inventive I'm not, sigh.) Hope I can read your Shelter story!
I think that is what makes this such a great movie...the chemistry...you dont' have any feeling at any time that they are not completely Zach and Shaun and in love...no hesitation of awkwardness...
those little things make emotions seem more real..
:) :)
Ok, here is a question:
After the bust up at the party, one of them goes surfing at that rocky place that Shaun calls his, that he took Zach to, is it Shaun or Zach?
Ok, here is a question:
After the bust up at the party, one of them goes surfing at that rocky place that Shaun calls his, that he took Zach to, is it Shaun or Zach?
Gonna friend you now, John!
Thought it was cute, decently acted and good-intentioned. Thought the story itself was pretty thin though, the emotionel depth of what they must have gone through never came across, I thought. But on the whole, enjoyable.
Fair enough, Buffymon--this is not my usual cup of tea, either! And you are quite right--the story is pretty thin--
Except--
I have to say--
I think that Trevor Wright as Zach, Brad Rowe as Shaun, and yes, even Tina Holmes as the downright unattractive Jeanne, were just so good--Trevor especially. No, strike that, brilliant (in re Trevor, and I have to stop thinking that he is Zach)!
I think that the story is so cliché-thin that, despite everything, the actors, the characters, the people, took over, and created a full emotional world that seems truthful, touching, and real.
Like you, I have no more than 2 cents in the pot and I threw them in, anyway.
Like the title of this thread, my feeling is: "Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!)"
Thanks for thinking enough about the story--and the characters--to comment!
:)
Fair enough, Buffymon--this is not my usual cup of tea, either! And you are quite right--the story is pretty thin--
Except--
I have to say--
I think that Trevor Wright as Zach, Brad Rowe as Shaun, and yes, even Tina Holmes as the downright unattractive Jeanne, were just so good--Trevor especially. No, strike that, brilliant (in re Trevor, and I have to stop thinking that he is Zach)!
I think that the story is so cliché-thin that, despite everything, the actors, the characters, the people, took over, and created a full emotional world that seems truthful, touching, and real.
Like you, I have no more than 2 cents in the pot and I threw them in, anyway.
Like the title of this thread, my feeling is: "Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!)"
Thanks for thinking enough about the story--and the characters--to comment!
:)
for me it was great in that the main 'problem' wasnt' that they were gay....being gay was just part of who they were. We need more movies like this...
Had an email this morning my DVD has been shipped!
I got one too! ;D
and where the heck is MY email confirmation!!!?? >:( >:( >:(
Oops! Sorry! (Me--Amazon.) I hope you get it soon! :)
I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh boy!
(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)
;)
I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh boy!
(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)
;)
I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh boy!
(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)
;)
I want to hear NOTHING about it! Honestly, I just decided that, I really want to see it for myself!!!!
Ok, NO SPOILERS. Promise.
I can only tell you that:
Unlike on the Chinese site, the story in the DVD is not divided into five parts--
The lens is not thickly covered in vaseline, and--
Jeanne has not suddenly become gay-friendly.
:laugh:
ALSO: during the audio commentary of the full-version--Trevor--we're now best friends, by the way--is cute as hell! (But you already knew that!)
I hope you all receive your packages soon!! This thread has been great fun--please post your thoughts when the quarantine/interdict has been lifted!!
:)
Shhh! Mum's the word ya'll. We won't talk about it sweetie!
Cross my heart and hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye. ;) :D
ALSO: during the audio commentary of the full-version--Trevor--we're now best friends, by the way--is cute as hell! (But you already knew that!)
:)
(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)
;)
Shhh! Mum's the word ya'll. We won't talk about it sweetie!
Cross my heart and hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye. ;) :D
Ok, NO SPOILERS. Promise.
I can only tell you that:
Unlike on the Chinese site, the story in the DVD is not divided into five parts--
The lens is not thickly covered in vaseline, and--
Jeanne has not suddenly become gay-friendly.
:laugh:
ALSO: during the audio commentary of the full-version--Trevor--we're now best friends, by the way--is cute as hell! (But you already knew that!)
I hope you all receive your packages soon!! This thread has been great fun--please post your thoughts when the quarantine/interdict has been lifted!!
:)
I just noticed that SHELTER is rated R by the MPAA!? That is completely ridiculous, isn't it? It seems to me that teens would love this movie, it's obviously directed at a young crowd. But then again, BUT I"M A CHEERLEADER, another gay teen film, was intially rated NC-17 and ended up with an R after an "offending" fully clothed female masturbation scene was cut. Most American R-rated films are 14A here in Canada. How is it that the country that makes the best porn can be so uptight about sex in movies?
Yes, it is. MPAA in general, still haven't seen SHELTER. >:(.
Oilgun, did you see that we joined BetterMost about the same time? Cool, huh? First week of March. :D
That IS cool! You've been way more active than me though.
As for SHELTER, although a very sweet film it only rates 53% on Rotten Tomatoes. (for what it's worth) I think the film's weaknesses, like the movie-of-the-week type plot, are overshadowed by excellent multi-dimensional performances and the wonderful chemistry between the two leads.
Certainly it has some weeknesses, but considering it was short in a very short period of time on a rediculasly small budget, I think it is amazing.
The main weekness I have now is waiting (still) for my copy.
Lynne, I am thinking of you tonight, meeting C.J. Cox of Latter Days! You go gurl! ;D
Certainly it has some weeknesses, but considering it was short in a very short period of time on a rediculasly small budget, I think it is amazing.
The main weekness I have now is waiting (still) for my copy.
Lynne, I am thinking of you tonight, meeting C.J. Cox of Latter Days! You go gurl! ;D
I GOT MINE!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quite frankly I'm very disgusted the stores aren't selling this DVD on their shelves. Instead we must secretly order the DVD over the Internet as to "not offend anyone". There isn't ANYTHING offensive in the movie at all. And I don't buy this "the movie wasn't big enough to warrant sales in our stores" bullshit excuse. These stores all sell the crappiest movies ever made. They just don't want to sell it because it's....oh my... a movie about homosexuals. >:(
Sorry for the rant everyone. :D
I dont' understand the R rating....there isn't anything really in this movie...maybe a pg13...
I got mine, I got mine, I got mine, I got mine. Wow, Zach's bicept has "Lucky 3" taattooed on it, him Shaun and Cody!
I got mine, I got mine, I got mine, I got mine.
Wow, Zach's bicept has "Lucky 3" taattooed on it, him Shaun and Cody!
Oh yeah I was wondering about that talk with Tori. Zach says "They took me back." and later he says to Shaun that he had never told anybody that he had turned down the scholarship. Now, "They took me back." would mean that they gave him another chance, right?
Oh yeah I was wondering about that talk with Tori. Zach says "They took me back." and later he says to Shaun that he had never told anybody that he had turned down the scholarship. Now, "They took me back." would mean that they gave him another chance, right?
I amw atching the movie now with the commentary on, Brad Rowe says: "I give great head." and the non pulsed it is like....... :D
The Pacific Diner where Zach worked: 3821 S Pacific Ave, San Pedro, CA
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I have not been able to find out anything abotu Trevors Wright's age, he says in the commentary he is 22, that when they filmed the movie, esp. the part where Shawn is inviting him over to have strong margaritas , he was not actually old enough to drink.
Now, that would make Brad Rowe 16 years older than Treavor Wright.
Guys! I got my DVD!!!!!
Now I just need to get it to work....
*back soon*
Guys! I got my DVD!!!!!
Now I just need to get it to work....
*back soon*
Did you hear that part where the actor who played Cody witnesses them kissing in on e scene and he asked Treavor Wright "what did you do that?" He is going to see this movie in 10 years and go OMG!
(Re: the commentary--)
Seems Brad is NOT a surfer!! Hah!
Well, that's ONE thing we have in common--
:laugh:
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what??
That's a good picture of the necklace too Jess! ;) :P :laugh:
well I tried...I know how much Truman wanted to see it..(the necklace, I mean) it was a tough job but I felt someone needed to do it... ;D ;D ;)
Are these DVD screenshots or from the internet avi file? I was a bit shocked by the poor quality of the movie on DVD, I expected it to be a lot higher resolution! But it's made for TV, maybe that's why!
Are these DVD screenshots or from the internet avi file? I was a bit shocked by the poor quality of the movie on DVD, I expected it to be a lot higher resolution! But it's made for TV, maybe that's why!
well I tried...I know how much Truman wanted to see it..(the necklace, I mean) it was a tough job but I felt someone needed to do it... ;D ;D ;)
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Next, we will discuss the comparisons with Brad Rowe and the Angel with the Blazing Sword.
I love Art!
:laugh:
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Henri Matisse, Rape of Europa, 1929
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I think we need more screen caps to explore this idea further!
;D ;D
with the linear, angular and vectoral relationships between
;D
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Oh God, there's that hug!! I absolutely LOVE that hug. It was so sweet. I think it's probably my very favorite scene in the entire movie. :-*
Jess, what can I say? GREAT pictures!!!!
And I LOVE the fact that you've given them a nice red (yes! RED ;)) border. :-*
Keep 'em coming! smooching, holding hands, talking, all of it. :)
this is MY favorite:
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I LOVE that Shaun has slept right there next to him all night...not asking or demanding anything, just there to watch over him...wanting/needing to be as close as he dared to be. I loved the way Shaun touched Zach's shirt just before he kissed him the night before...
Oh I know! There are soooo many Jack and Ennis parallels in this movie. It's kind of the same, and yet different.
That screenshot is so cute and sweet. :D
yep there is even a "shirt" story....you know when Gabe busts in on them and Zach sneaks out with Shaun's SHIRT on?? and Gabe comes to his work and says "Nice shirt!" (cause he KNOWS! :o ;) )
Hey, we are serious Art Dudes!
Look again at the figure of the Angel with the Flaming Arrow in the Bernini grouping, and compare the relationships between the Angel, the Arrow, and St. Teresa--
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with the linear, angular and vectoral relationships between Brad, his, uh, hand, and St.--I mean, Trevor:
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(Never mind Brad's Angelic smile--and the eyes!)
It's not coincidence, it's Art, I tell you!
;D
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Who'd 've thought we'd be discussing linear, angular and vectoral relationships after watching 'a gay sufer movie' ::) ;D
this is MY favorite:
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I LOVE that Shaun has slept right there next to him all night...not asking or demanding anything, just there to watch over him...wanting/needing to be as close as he dared to be. I loved the way Shaun touched Zach's shirt just before he kissed him the night before...
I love this scene, for the fist time it is Shaun who is skiddish about public display, and Zach takes matters into his own hands.
I love this scene, for the fist time it is Shaun who is skiddish about public display, and Zach takes matters into his own hands.
Any more art classes for us? :D
why thank you! I will see what I can do fer ya! ;) ;)
Loving the 'snip tool'!
Gosh, thank you!
More "raw footage," please??? ::)
(How does one get the 'snip tool,' by the way? I am dumb, sorry--but would love to learn!)
I had wondered how you did that.
I got to thinking over the weekend about the actors who were gay who made a living playing straight guys, like Rock Hudson and Tab Hunter and Dirk Bogarde. You know, Brad Rowe could do the same thing in reverse.
--because i loove that screenshot....
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this is one I really like....cause you see Brad's 'pouch'...sometimes a little imperfection makes a man just that much more attractive...
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this is one I really like....cause you see Brad's 'pouch'...sometimes a little imperfection makes a man just that much more attractive...
this is one I really like....cause you see Brad's 'pouch'...sometimes a little imperfection makes a man just that much more attractive...
That look on Zach's face as Jeannie and Allen drive away, that is how I feel sometimes..... :-\
Oh no no no, that's nowhere near imperfection, he has the most perfect belly, look at the scene where he sees Zach again after who knows how many years, no belly fat whatsoever, but everybody lying like that on a bed would get a pouch....
Then based on the size of my "imperfection," I must be really hot!!
LOL!!
That look on Zach's face as Jeannie and Allen drive away, that is how I feel sometimes..... :-\
yeah but remember in the comments when he was talking about it? "You need to CG that out..."
I think he said CG...but something about deleting it! :laugh: :laugh:
--so after reading 47 pages of posts figured i ought to put in my two cents
I... was really disappointed to see their first kiss put into the too much to drink/wrestling match category coz i thought it was so much more meaningful then that.
Ok before i bore you all with my ramblings I felt Jeannie was sadly realistic
but does anyone else think there was a little growth at the end?
right i'd better go study and i apologise for my long winded post!!
More: (I'm really enjoying this!)
A few more 'snips' from the scene in the film would be instructive, but I think we can interpolate, no?
;)
Hey all! I feel a little random posting here but happened across this movie while procrastinating (supposed to be writing an essay/studying for exams guh) but LOVED it! Anywho typed it into google and this forum popped up so after reading 47 pages of posts figured i ought to put in my two cents (it would be stalkerish not too right?) Oh and I apologise if this turns into an essay but the movie got to me haven't stopped thinking about it!!
OK first up I was reading all the articles/reviews on the movie and was really disappointed to see their first kiss put into the too much to drink/wrestling match category coz i thought it was so much more meaningful then that. I mean after the wrestle they were laying for a little bit and then that gorgeous hand on Zacks chest and the slow move to the kiss made it seem so beautiful. Plus a couple drinks doesn't make you drunk - maybe loosens your inhibitions a little...
I found the scene when they were talking about Shaun's book confusing to be honest, though after reading your posts i see a few of you are going down the same track I am. The way Shaun seemed surprised Gabe hadn't told him Zack had the read the book was an interesting reaction. I can't figure it out if by then its because he likes Zach or if its because Gabe's been giving him updates over the time they havn't seen each other (which i think i'm alone in being under the impression it hadn't been that long). I mean it may be that Shaun's always had a thing for Zack or its just a matter of Gabe adn Shaun chatting and since Zack's in Gabe's life he mentions him (my family knows alot about my friends just from normal conversation)...
OK quick side just rewatched the part where they meet up again and SHaun says along the lines of "I haven't seen you since your graduation" so we looking at a year or so?
Ok before i bore you all with my ramblings I felt Jeannie was sadly realistic but does anyone else think there was a little gorowth at the end? I mean she seemed kind of humbled (not sure on right word here) when she realises that Zack turned down the school the first time. So maybe she saw that Zack's mroe willing to make sacrifices then she ever will be?
right i'd better go study and i apologise for my long winded post!!
hey! Just let me know what you want and I will try! :laugh: :laugh:
I am enjoying it too!
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Edward Hopper, Nighthawks, 1942
John, you are a greatsurfer dudearts professor. :) ;)
You are too kind! :-*
I was thinking of sending my application to CalArts...
Do you think I can learn how to skateboard before the Fall Semester??
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:laugh:
In the commentary Treavor Wright says it was him and Ross Thomas, made up to be kids, in the Zach and Gabe DVD. Apparently Ross Thomas is as good a skater as Brad Rowe is a surfer.
I'm sure Zach won't mind teaching you. You were on first name basis weren't you? ;)
Downside: Message boards
Things, that make you go hmmmmmm.......
what's he got agin message boards... :( :( :(
Yeah, Trevor, what's up with that? >:(
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"I'm sorry! Please forgive me?"
--Trevor Wright
I just saw parts of the movie on the big screen and my plasma TV is too good for the movie, it really doesn't know what to do with that poor quality image.
I have a few thoughts about Zach and Shaun jumping out of bed wearing boxer shorts when Gabe arrives.
Sigh. American puritanism, pure and simple.
If it had been a bit more realistic, Shaun and Zach would have looked frantically for their discarded skivvies on the floor--but no.
I mean really. :-\
And I learnt a new word today.... 'skivvies'. Nice! ;D
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming!
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;D
Those wetsuits must be really uncomfortable, he looks like he can't wait to get out to them. ;D
Wetsuits, even when they are dry, still have a mildewy smell.
'Hunk du jour'? :laugh: ;D
Well, I may do--now. ;D
(Frighteningly, though, the HDJ icon--and that has a certain ring to it, don't you think?--I copied and pasted above is alive; look, it's been updated like the temperature at Riverton or Childress at the end of the page--kind of spooky, no? We may have to have an exorcism!)
:o :o :o :o
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:o :o :o :o
Excellent! I hope it plays for you without problem. ;D
It did! Aaaah so beautiful to watch the entire film without hick-ups!
Will watch it again...
j. U. d. E.
About the facial expressions, I'll come back later.
I have started watching the commentaries and I love when you have that on the DVD's extras! And what a treat to have Brad Rowe, Trevor Wright and Jonah Markowitz in the commentary! Some of their comments are great and very insightful! Haven't watched it all yet. Will watch the rest tonight.
j. U. d. E.
Don't you just love their voices? :P
I found that toward the end they were cutting up and having such a good time that things that I had hoped they would comment on was slipping by unnoticed. O-well.
Too true! But you have that in most commentaries I find. Some things they say, were really interesting though.. And what was that bit when Trevor says about 'screen kisses' he's done, that he's not used to have the person opposite him, sticking their tongue in his mouth... tststs.. Brad oh Brad! ;D
j. U. d. E.
i love this movie
p/s: I was wondering - why did they stop to buy Cody flipflops before heading out to Shaun's place? That scene seemed a little random to me. lol.
I really enjoyed it. It was uncomplicated in a refreshing sort of way and I thought there was great chemistry between the male leads.
p/s: I was wondering - why did they stop to buy Cody flipflops before heading out to Shaun's place? That scene seemed a little random to me. lol.
Here is a random moment I recall that was charming..
Outside the grocery store, when Zach tries to explain to Cody that he is his uncle, not his father, Cody insists saying "You're my dad, you're my dad, you're my dad.." as if he is trying to convince them both. Very cute.
Another question for you experts out there..
Right before the scene where Shaun finds and puts in the tape of younger Zach and Gabe skateboarding, he was lying on the bed checking something on his laptop. He seems frustrated, closes it and then goes on to find the tape he was about to watch. Any idea what was going on there?
After watching this movie last night, I had a sudden craving to see another happy ending and my mind immediately took me to my Latter Days DVD. I probably did see it a dozen times but damn, it's been too long.
This thread is over 50 pages long..dang, would be nice to read it all, but I don't got no time right now to go through everything. I gotta watch it again, no doubt, to pick up on the little details I missed the first time.
So, how many times has everyone seen the movie? 8) Lee, T...?I only saw it once and it was last fall before the movie came out in theaters.
Hey, we've been asking for a Making of Brokeback book--maybe we should ask for a Making of Shelter book too!
:laugh:
...
Or maybe it is an email from his ex-partner..... :laugh:
I only saw it once and it was last fall before the movie came out in theaters.
Greetings, greetings all! :)
Okay, so I was at the video store two weeks or so ago and picked up a copy of Shelter.
I only got around to watching it last night.
It made me hungry for the ocean and boy, I so wish I could surf.
Anyway, the movie...
I really enjoyed it. It was uncomplicated in a refreshing sort of way and I thought there was great chemistry between the male leads.
I loved the little moments:
* Like when Zach and Shaun first meet; there are little pauses in the conversation during which you can't help but feel the crackling tension between them.
* After their first night together, when Zach is driving home, it is almost as if he is exhaling at long last; he can't help but break into a smile that seems to say, 'I can't believe I made it at last.' I know that feeling well. I could relate; almost got me all teary then.
The character of Gabe was interesting. He was clearly accepting of his brother's sexuality and was fine when he discovered Zach was sleeping with him. All good stuff. But when he starting talking about men 'giving better head' and 'what about that guy? you find him attractive..[in reference to a passer-by]', he managed to reduce such a big turning-point in Zach's life into nothing more than sex. That said, when Gabe was leaving the diner, he said to Zach, "Hey, we're still bros, alright.." and gives him a big hug. That was heartwarming. :)
All in all, good movie. Glad I got the dvd. I expect I'll pop it in and watch the film again in the very near future.
~M
p/s: I was wondering - why did they stop to buy Cody flipflops before heading out to Shaun's place? That scene seemed a little random to me. lol.
Here is my take on Gabe....he was trying so hard to put Zach at ease...Trying to show he was ok with the situation. They have been friends for years remember? So I am sure they are used to talking about sex...probably pretty graphically, so he was striving to put things into their regular conversation. (just my thoughts)
I agree with your take on it. Also, guys in their late teens, early twenties (or any age really,) tend to reduce everything down to sex. Don't we? ;D
Wow, had no idea it's been out that long.
I know cattle raisers in their 40s do! >:( >:(
he dont' cool off soon I am locking him outta the house!
I know cattle raisers in their 40s do! >:( >:(
he dont' cool off soon I am locking him outta the house!
Here is my take on Gabe....he was trying so hard to put Zach at ease...Trying to show he was ok with the situation. They have been friends for years remember? So I am sure they are used to talking about sex...probably pretty graphically, so he was striving to put things into their regular conversation. (just my thoughts)
I agree with your take on it. Also, guys in their late teens, early twenties (or any age really,) tend to reduce everything down to sex. Don't we? ;D
Or better yet, send him over to my place! :laugh:
Look at this clip from the first episode of "I Dream of Jeanie". Maybe it is the beach and the waves and all, but man wouldn't Treavor be perfect to play Tony Nelson if they ever made a movie of this?
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Haha, I told myself I wouldn't write Shelter fanfic, well there you have it... LOL...
This one-shot is what might have happened after the break-up scene between Zach and Shaun in the car. It involves some internal dialogue and THE conversation between Shaun and Gabe we all thought was sadly missing from the movie, but that could never have been added because they story is from Zach's POV.
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Just spent hours reading all 55 pages of this thread. So my first post will be a random jumble of thoughts in response to past posts.
MPAA rating and censorship issues: I think the "R" rating was more for language than for the sex scene or gay content. There are a couple dozen f-bombs in the dialogue, and the MPAA usually only permits about 1-3 in a PG-13 movie. If you watch the trailer, which was approved for all audiences (meaning the MPAA considered it to have G-rated content!), it is carefully edited to convey that this is a gay-themed movie. Several Zach-Shaun kisses (cut just before their lips meet), as well as scenes of them in bed together, are shown in the preview ... but no one says the word "gay."
It appears to me that here! has targeted the marketing and distribution of this film to gay audiences. I think many straight folk will quickly put this movie back on the shelf after seeing the cover art, which shows two men lying in bed together giving each other loving looks. If this film had been promoted differently, with wider distribution, different posters, etc., it could have had mainstream cross-over appeal (like "Brokeback Mountain"). This marketing approach also may explain why the big-box chain stores didn't pick up this title.
I seldom see independent gay cinema titles in big-box stores like Circuit City or Best Buy. Chain stores will carry some gay-themed major studio productions (such as "Wilde," "Capote," "Brokeback Mountain," and "The Birdcage"), but not the indie stuff. I've had the best luck finding independent gay-themed titles through mail-order, or in gay bookstores. I prefer not to think of this as a shameful / closeted thing, so much as a specialized thing. It's also good for the community to patronize independent businesses. If the chain stores don't see profit$ from selling independent gay movies, there are independent businesses who believe in the value of this genre and will gladly sell us the movies we want!
My favorite scene: When Zach returns to Shaun at the end, Shaun notices someone is trying to contact him on the walkie-talkie. He picks it up, a little surprised at first, and quickly figures out Zach must be close by. Though still hurting from their argument and break-up, he gets a little smile on his face, recognizing that Zach has come back to him. He's ready and willing to forgive.
One thing I'm not sure of: Did Shaun keep that walkie-talkie close at hand, awaiting a call from Zach? Or did Zach sneak into the house (he still had codes / keys) and plant it there?
Gay parenting issue: This film takes a radical stance in favor of gay parenting / gay adoption. Religious conservatives oppose the idea of allowing gay couples (especially two men) to adopt children. Jeanne trots out their usual specious arguments ("Cody needs a positive man in his life," as if to say Shaun is a bad influence just because he's gay). This film shows us otherwise, setting up a scenario in which a heterosexual couple (Jeanne and Allen) would make for lousy parents, while a gay couple (Shaun and Zach) would provide Cody with a good upbringing. Jeanne is forced to realize this (though she resists all the way to the end).
Zach's portfolio / CalArts application: The last time we see Zach's portfolio is the scene where Gabe bursts in the house. During the mad scramble to put on clothes, Zach's portfolio is among all the piles of clothes, towels, etc. in Shaun's bedroom. Zach sneaks out (wearing one of Shaun's shirts) while Shaun distracts Gabe. He leaves the portfolio behind. (Another thing Gabe might notice that clues him in to what's going on...)
After the argument / break-up in the car, there's a scene where Zach is looking for the portfolio back at home but can't find it. Shaun tries to call Zach on his cell phone, but Zach doesn't take the call. Was Shaun just trying to call so they could work through their argument? I think something more was going on...
Zach seems surprised in a later scene when he picks up the voice mail from the CalArts admissions office, saying they got his application, reviewed it, then sent his portfolio back to "the Ocean Beach" address it had been sent from. At that moment, Zach realizes Shaun had snagged the portfolio and sent it to CalArts, along with an application - *after* their argument/breakup. I don't think Zach ever filled out that application - he resisted the idea when Shaun gave him the paperwork. Shaun couldn't just give up on Zach - he did Zach's application for him, so Zach would get that "push" he needed to get his life back on track. Shaun's unconditional love was powerful - how many people would do this for someone who just dumped them for the wrong reasons?
One more thing about Gabe: The ending would have been even more powerful if Gabe had been there with Zach, Shaun, and Cody in the closing scene (which was supposed to take place months later, perhaps after Zach's first semester of art school). Surely by then, Gabe would have come back home and learned that Zach and Shaun had worked things out, moved in together, and unofficially taken custody of Cody ... big changes while he was out traveling and partying. From the conversation in the diner, we learn Gabe still valued Zach's friendship. They would certainly run into each other again in the future, given the close-knit circle of family/friends they had.
--and the problem I have is that I live in a rural area...to me the whole independent film thing is a hidden world. I wouldn't know where to start to look for them and I would be hesitant to buy a movie I had heard nothing about...
Zach seems surprised in a later scene when he picks up the voice mail from the CalArts admissions office, saying they got his application, reviewed it, then sent his portfolio back to "the Ocean Beach" address it had been sent from. At that moment, Zach realizes Shaun had snagged the portfolio and sent it to CalArts, along with an application - *after* their argument/breakup. I don't think Zach ever filled out that application - he resisted the idea when Shaun gave him the paperwork. Shaun couldn't just give up on Zach - he did Zach's application for him, so Zach would get that "push" he needed to get his life back on track. Shaun's unconditional love was powerful - how many people would do this for someone who just dumped them for the wrong reasons?
hey Flashframe,
I agree, the commentary was very good. I love hearing their voices. They sound so comfortable with each other. You could hear that they had a great time making the movie. I also thought the references to how cold it was were very funny too.
They just don't sound like 'movie stars' but just regular (though very good looking 8)) guys, having a good time and a laugh.
We watched 'Shelter' with the eurobrokies at the Brussels gathering last week. It was nice to watch it with brokies. Lovely movie.
Wow...a very long thread.
I only read through the last few pages, so forgive me if I repeat.
Today I watched the narrated version of Shelter. Brad Rowe is a total crackup. At one point when Shaun's kissing Zach and heading past his belly button, you can no longer see him Brad says that he left and went over to the kraft service table to snack. A few seconds later as they're watching themselves make out Brad jokes, "I give really great head."
oh my god! They were supposed to be having oral sex??!!! I wondered what Shaun was doing!
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Weeeelllllllllll....... ;D
The best feature of this movie will always be the happy ending.
We watched 'Shelter' with the eurobrokies at the Brussels gathering last week. It was nice to watch it with brokies. Lovely movie.
The best feature of this movie will always be the happy ending.
I will have to check this movie out. It sounds interesting.
Charlie bit my finger
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM&feature=related[/youtube]
(Thank you, Mr. Wright, for the recommendation.)
Gabe's "Nice shirt by the way!" comment to Zach in the diner kitchen (after Z & S were almost discovered in bed together) kinda indicates to me that he sorta guessed it was his brother's shirt. I think he started to put 1 and 1 together at that point. :)
Here is my take on Gabe....he was trying so hard to put Zach at ease...Trying to show he was ok with the situation. They have been friends for years remember? So I am sure they are used to talking about sex...probably pretty graphically, so he was striving to put things into their regular conversation. (just my thoughts)
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Thanks! I have been trying to get all my friends to watch this movie for weeks just so that I have someone to talk about it with >:(
Thanks! I have been trying to get all my friends to watch this movie for weeks just so that I have someone to talk about it with >:(
I definitely agree with you there. This is actually one of my favorite scenes in the movie because Trevor Wright's facial expressions seem incredibly realistic. You can tell that Gabe is trying to put Zach at ease by incorporating this "new" aspect of his friend's life into a hopefully-normal conversation, but it has the exact opposite effect as intended. Zach wasn't expecting to get blindsighted by his best friend and you can see in Trevor's eyes throughout this scene that the character feels demeaned, as if his best friend were truly insulting him instead of just some affectionate bantering.
Yes, I do see a little growth in Jeannie...
To me it seemed at the first that she didnt' see Zach as an individual with needs and wants of his own. He was always there for her and she took him for granted. I think she gained some much needed respect for him by the end...
Sigh. That's straight men, for you. Unlike Zach, I was not, nor ever was, "straight," but my first serious relationship was with a "straight" (and unbelievably beautiful) boy who, as the cliché required, had to get drunk so he could kiss me. He got over it pretty quickly, but--Men!
Heh, it's also a pretty realistic representation. Both guys whom I've considered to be my best friends, have enjoyed the rough-housing. The horseplay didn't even usually require booze, sometimes I'd jump on their back and start trying to beat the crap outta them at work. And lo and behold, I've had... other interactions... with both of them :laugh:
Yes, there is a bit of disconnect there, if he had never told anyone Tori would not know that he had been accepted before.
LOL! That was so funny and yes, I loved his voice breaking sometimes, he has that lazy California drawl which I love, it's very sexy!
Can one get Shelter movie, as CD ?
...MPAA rating and censorship issues: I think the "R" rating was more for language than for the sex scene or gay content. There are a couple dozen f-bombs in the dialogue, and the MPAA usually only permits about 1-3 in a PG-13 movie. If you watch the trailer, which was approved for all audiences (meaning the MPAA considered it to have G-rated content!), it is carefully edited to convey that this is a gay-themed movie. Several Zach-Shaun kisses (cut just before their lips meet), as well as scenes of them in bed together, are shown in the preview ... but no one says the word "gay."
It appears to me that here! has targeted the marketing and distribution of this film to gay audiences. I think many straight folk will quickly put this movie back on the shelf after seeing the cover art, which shows two men lying in bed together giving each other loving looks. If this film had been promoted differently, with wider distribution, different posters, etc., it could have had mainstream cross-over appeal (like "Brokeback Mountain"). This marketing approach also may explain why the big-box chain stores didn't pick up this title.
I seldom see independent gay cinema titles in big-box stores like Circuit City or Best Buy. Chain stores will carry some gay-themed major studio productions (such as "Wilde," "Capote," "Brokeback Mountain," and "The Birdcage"), but not the indie stuff. I've had the best luck finding independent gay-themed titles through mail-order, or in gay bookstores. I prefer not to think of this as a shameful / closeted thing, so much as a specialized thing. It's also good for the community to patronize independent businesses. If the chain stores don't see profit$ from selling independent gay movies, there are independent businesses who believe in the value of this genre and will gladly sell us the movies we want!