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Title: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on March 11, 2008, 07:04:25 pm
Hey anyone heard of this movie, the trailer has a real good feel to it:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STM9V0ev0lM[/youtube]



Edit: If you want to see this movie online before you buy the DVD, please send Snork or Shakestheground a PM!


Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: opinionista on March 11, 2008, 07:12:58 pm
I definitely want to see it!! I wonder if it is shown here. I'm going to find out.
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: southendmd on March 11, 2008, 10:07:17 pm
They're already calling it the "gay surfer movie".  LOL
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on March 12, 2008, 11:36:31 am
They're already calling it the "gay surfer movie".  LOL

Societies need to reduce to the lowest common denominator.  :laugh:

Here is another article I found about it: http://www.heretv.com/sheltermovie/
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Front-Ranger on March 12, 2008, 12:25:52 pm
EDelMar and I saw this last fall and enjoyed it a lot...it's not very deep but a nice romantic story. Hay, he's much more than a surfer dude, he's also an artist!!
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on March 12, 2008, 02:42:00 pm
I like the premise. As far as I could tell from the clips, it's about a guy who falls in love with his best friend's brother? What was the acting like? I wasn't really impressed with it in the short clips I saw, but that could be because I am not seeing the entire movie. Would love to see it, hope it comes out here in Holland.

Gay surfer movie. LOL!  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on March 12, 2008, 04:16:32 pm
Here's something I found on youtube:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJc_SBF-Qto&NR=1[/youtube]

Looks like a very romantic, happy ending, feel-good type of movie, and there are not enough of those around!  :D
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on March 15, 2008, 04:10:30 pm
I'm back! I saw this on the website:

Shelter will premiere in theaters in March 2008, launching in 10 markets across the country. Shelter will premiere exclusively on here! Networks on April 18.

Will somebody be able to tape it somehow and post it on the internet? I think that will be the only chance for people outside of the US to see this movie!
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on March 15, 2008, 04:42:20 pm
I'm back! I saw this on the website:

Shelter will premiere in theaters in March 2008, launching in 10 markets across the country. Shelter will premiere exclusively on here! Networks on April 18.

Will somebody be able to tape it somehow and post it on the internet? I think that will be the only chance for people outside of the US to see this movie!

I know the DVD will be available in May, but I will check with my net guru to see what I can do.  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on March 15, 2008, 04:45:36 pm
I know the DVD will be available in May, but I will check with my net guru to see what I can do.  ;)

Yeeeeeeeh, thank you so much, Truman!  :-* :-* :-* to you and your net guru....

That would be really great, because I wouldn't even be able to watch the DVD even if I could order it from the US, because of the region problems...  :-\
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on March 28, 2008, 01:38:30 pm
Anybody already seen this?

 :D
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Kd5000 on March 30, 2008, 06:20:03 pm
TLAVIDEO.com is already promoting this film as a pre-order item.  I guess I won't be seeing it on the big screen.  The DVD will be released on 5/28/07 but I guess you can already have your order in.  The msg board for SHELTER on IMDB.com is quite dead.  I don't think many ppl have seen this film though it has been screened at some film festivals.  A website says scheduled for limited release on 3/21/08 in the USA?  I'd like to know where at.
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on March 31, 2008, 04:01:49 am
TLAVIDEO.com is already promoting this film as a pre-order item.  I guess I won't be seeing it on the big screen.  The DVD will be released on 5/28/07 but I guess you can already have your order in.  The msg board for SHELTER on IMDB.com is quite dead.  I don't think many ppl have seen this film though it has been screened at some film festivals.  A website says scheduled for limited release on 3/21/08 in the USA?  I'd like to know where at.

The dates and times are listed on the official website for the movie!  :D

http://www.heretv.com/sheltermovie/ (http://www.heretv.com/sheltermovie/)
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on April 04, 2008, 06:02:45 am
For anybody who has Here! TV on cable, the movie will play on TV on April 18th!

Anybody who will be able to tape it and then post it somewhere will receive eternal gratitude from a lot of Europeans who are not able to see this movie!!!!

 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on April 14, 2008, 06:24:23 am
Just a reminder to the people who have Here! TV! April 18th!
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on April 18, 2008, 12:54:46 pm
I'm starting to feel a little like Artiste on this thread....  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Anyway, anybody going to see this tonight? Did your net guru (LOL) know a way to upload the movie on the internet, Truman?

Hugs!
 ;D
Mel
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on April 26, 2008, 09:55:41 am
I FINALLY SAW IT... online! I still want it on DVD when it comes out in Europe, because I thought it was such a touching movie, it really made me feel so happy!



SPOILERS...



The ending was gorgeous, thinking about them together raising Cody just makes me so happy. It makes a great statement, that what makes for a loving family is two people who care about each other and the child.

 :)

It's so refreshing to watch a movie like this after nearly three years of Brokeback. This movie can't even be compared to Brokeback by the way, even if there were some scenes that reminded me of Brokeback, this really has nothing to do with our movie, other than the fact that the two main characters are gay. The chemistry between Brad Rowe and Trevor Wright is absolutely amazing, it's what keeps this story so convincing. Zach and Shaun have known each other since childhood, but have only just started to look at each other in a different light. I love that aspect of the story.

Some interesting links:

http://www.frontierspublishing.com/2623/features/feat.html (http://www.frontierspublishing.com/2623/features/feat.html)
http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid52308.asp (http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid52308.asp)
http://www.andreajames.com/blog/index.php/site/comments/shelter-opens-near-you-in-upcoming-weeks/ (http://www.andreajames.com/blog/index.php/site/comments/shelter-opens-near-you-in-upcoming-weeks/)
http://outfest.blogspot.com/2008/03/making-of-cover-shelterfrontiers-cover.html (http://outfest.blogspot.com/2008/03/making-of-cover-shelterfrontiers-cover.html)
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 26, 2008, 10:04:11 am
Did you see it on Here! TV or some place else, I am still waiting on a copy to arrive next month, can't wait, I am so happy you got to see it and enjoyed it.

I remember back a couple of years ago someone in India wanted to obtain a copy of Brokeback but I could find no way to make a copy in their format. The online file sharing would be the only way and the legalities involved stand in the way.

Still, I am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Front-Ranger on April 26, 2008, 10:56:03 am
Gonna be playing here in Denver May 2-8; Adam and I may just haveta see it again.

Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on April 27, 2008, 07:57:57 am
Gonna be playing here in Denver May 2-8; Adam and I may just haveta see it again.



Hey! What did you think of the movie?
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: belbbmfan on April 27, 2008, 10:48:53 am
Hey Mel,

you saw this movie online? Can you give me the link? It sounds interesting...
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 27, 2008, 07:27:33 pm
Whoa Dude!

I saw the movie on line, and it's no Brokeback but still it is a warm and affirming romance with the usual second guessing on the part of the main character, Zach, played by Treavor Wright. His love interest, Shawn, played by Brad Rowe (Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss) I thought the plot development and the character development were very good, very believeable. I would like to see another movie made about gay people who were not pretty, lived in Nebraska, but there is nothing wrong with these two fine looking young men and their performance.

And if you are looking for a movie with a happy ending, I would keep the kleenex handy for this one. 
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 27, 2008, 07:29:51 pm
Also, Shelter is the directorial debut for Jonah Markowitz who was a production designer for Quincenera, another gay themed film I saw a while back.
Title: Re: Shelter
Post by: mvansand76 on April 28, 2008, 03:59:37 am
Whoa Dude!

I saw the movie on line, and it's no Brokeback but still it is a warm and affirming romance with the usual second guessing on the part of the main character, Zach, played by Treavor Wright. His love interest, Shawn, played by Brad Rowe (Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss) I thought the plot development and the character development were very good, very believeable. I would like to see another movie made about gay people who were not pretty, lived in Nebraska, but there is nothing wrong with these two fine looking young men and their performance.

And if you are looking for a movie with a happy ending, I would keep the kleenex handy for this one. 

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh! I am so happy you liked it as much as I did! :) I had a great, big smile on my face at the end!

 ;D ;D ;D

Everybody should see this, if you want to know where you can see it online, just PM me, but promise you will also buy the DVD if and when it comes out in your area, so as to support the filmmakers who made this movie in 18 days and on a budget of 400.000 dollars! And with so much love!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 28, 2008, 06:45:30 pm
It amazes me they made that movie for less than half a million, they certainly should earn it back.

I saw it yesterday and already I am wanting to see it again. I have always liked nmovies that had thei feel to them, a bit worn around the edges, golden in all its characters and plot.

A couple of things I wonder about at this point that repeat viewing might clear up:

*Where does the name Shelter come from? Is this from Zach seeking shelter in Shawn for him and Cody? Like he provides for those around him and finally he accepts help for his own situation? There is the point where he tells his x-girlfriend that all he wanted to do was provide for her and you can tell he feels like he has failed because he couldn't do that.

*After they go surfing the first time Zach tells Shawn he read his book, I am not sure if he is saying "when it first came out" or "when I first came out". If it is the first one it would make more sense because he is not really out. The clip for that is posted here so that would be easy enought to check.

*You see the Dad at the first of the movie but then they take him home and he never appears again. Whats up with that? He was the only character who appeared to be over 30 and they only pay him lip service.

In the movie I thought this song was sung by a female:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcvvdXG8IfM&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 28, 2008, 07:23:06 pm
Here is Brad Rowe talking about the gay thing:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1DBFHN-mO4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on April 29, 2008, 03:34:00 am

1. *Where does the name Shelter come from? Is this from Zach seeking shelter in Shawn for him and Cody? Like he provides for those around him and finally he accepts help for his own situation? There is the point where he tells his x-girlfriend that all he wanted to do was provide for her and you can tell he feels like he has failed because he couldn't do that.

2. *After they go surfing the first time Zach tells Shawn he read his book, I am not sure if he is saying "when it first came out" or "when I first came out". If it is the first one it would make more sense because he is not really out. The clip for that is posted here so that would be easy enought to check.

3. *You see the Dad at the first of the movie but then they take him home and he never appears again. Whats up with that? He was the only character who appeared to be over 30 and they only pay him lip service.

4. In the movie I thought this song was sung by a female:

AD1 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right! The key to that scene in the garden is that Zach finds a way to ask for help, and in that way he finds shelter with Shaun.

AD2. He says "When it first came out." Didn't you love in this scene how they kept bumping into each other?

AD3. I have no idea, they really could have left him out altogether, he didn't serve any purpose whatsoever

AD4. No, it's Shane Mack who sings this. I am not fond of his voice and the only song I really like of his in the movie is the one right after the scene in the car where they fight ("At least I loved enough to hurt".)



How do you think Gabe found out about Zach and Shaun?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mariez on April 29, 2008, 01:26:38 pm
I liked "Shelter" a lot - there's  a wonderful simplicity about it.  As for the Dad, I guess his only purpose is to show just one more person that Zach is responsible for - he's become the parent to everyone, his nephew, his sister and his own dad. 

I'm looking forward to watching it again - I always catch more things on a second viewing!

Marie
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 29, 2008, 01:31:29 pm

How do you think Gabe found out about Zach and Shaun?


I imagine (OMG is this the genisis of Shelter fan fic?) Shaun went back in the house upset and Gabe seen him and asked what is wrong and they had a talk and he told him. I think Gabe was putting two and two together.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on April 29, 2008, 01:40:32 pm
I think Gabe had it figured out pretty quickly. He commented 'great shirt' about the shirt Shaun was wearing when he was working (after Gabe nearly found them in bed together.) I think Shaun quickly put on one of Zach's t-shirt in order to make a quick escape from the house.

And Gabe knew something was going on when he walked into the bedroom. Oh, and I laughed when I saw Shaun and Zach jump out of the bed WEARING THEIR BOXERS!!  ::)  :laugh: That wasn't very realistic I thought. But maybe that's just me of course.  ;)

I liked Gabe, a good man to have as a brother and a friend.

A good movie, I'd like to see it on a bigger screen than my computer screen someday.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 29, 2008, 01:41:40 pm
I liked "Shelter" a lot - there's  a wonderful simplicity about it. 

Marie

I like that too, it is simple, yet well written so there are things to ponder.

My initial misunderstanding of "when I came out" lead me to think Zach had already realized his orentation. Now that I know he actually said "when it came out", refering to Shaun's book, makes it a very different story. The way they were bumping in to one another on that path, was so flitatious. I loved it.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on April 29, 2008, 02:27:04 pm
(OMG is this the genisis of Shelter fan fic?)

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 ::)

Welllllllllll, you never know.... Yeah I am really wondering if Gabe already knew by the time that he saw Zach with Shaun's shirt. But hadn't he not seen his brother in a while, how would he know that that is his shirt?

Oh, and I laughed when I saw Shaun and Zach jump out of the bed WEARING THEIR BOXERS!!  ::)  :laugh: That wasn't very realistic I thought. But maybe that's just me of course.  ;)


A lot of people seem to comment on that, but I didn't think it was that strange. The director said in an interview that with the scene of them in bed (right before Gabe almost finds them there), he was trying to convey how you sometimes just don't want to get out of bed out of laziness and happiness with being with the right person. They might have been in bed all day, only to get out to get food, during which you would put on your boxers.

I liked "Shelter" a lot - there's  a wonderful simplicity about it.  As for the Dad, I guess his only purpose is to show just one more person that Zach is responsible for - he's become the parent to everyone, his nephew, his sister and his own dad. 

I'm looking forward to watching it again - I always catch more things on a second viewing!

Marie

Hey Marie!  :-* I'm so glad you liked the movie as much as I do and that we liked the same things in it. The smile after the first night. The walkie-talkies. "You're my daddy, you're my daddy, you're my daddy...". 
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on April 29, 2008, 03:04:35 pm
Yeah I am really wondering if Gabe already knew by the time that he saw Zach with Shaun's shirt. But hadn't he not seen his brother in a while, how would he know that that is his shirt?

I thought that because Gabe was being a bit obvious about his 'nice shirt' comment.

A lot of people seem to comment on that, but I didn't think it was that strange. The director said in an interview that with the scene of them in bed (right before Gabe almost finds them there), he was trying to convey how you sometimes just don't want to get out of bed out of laziness and happiness with being with the right person. They might have been in bed all day, only to get out to get food, during which you would put on your boxers.

Okay, that sounds plausible.

The actors had great chemistry between them I thought.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on April 29, 2008, 03:27:44 pm
The actors had great chemistry between them I thought.

Yeah, I thought so too! It's in the little things, like that goodbye kiss at the door, the walkie-talkie scene at the end, it feels very natural!  :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on April 29, 2008, 03:34:23 pm


Did you all see how in the frisbee scene Shaun can't keep his eyes off Zach when he's talking to Tori? Thought that was a nice detail... I read in an interview that that's what started the idea in the director's mind, seeing two men frisbee at a lake and wondering what they were to each other.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on April 29, 2008, 03:39:13 pm
Wow Mel, how many times have you seen it already?  :)

I liked the frisbee scene at the end. I liked that Shaun's hair was longer. Just to show that this wasn't a 'one shot thing' they had going.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 29, 2008, 03:58:16 pm
Yeah, frisbees in the begining and the end, dang I know what I will be doing tonight.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on April 29, 2008, 04:28:16 pm
Wow Mel, how many times have you seen it already?  :)

I liked the frisbee scene at the end. I liked that Zach's hair was longer. Just to show that this wasn't a 'one shot thing' they had going.

Uhmmmmm.... gokje wagen om te raden hoeveel?   ;)

Yeah, I liked that his hair was longer too. No one-shot thing, that's for sure!

Yeah, frisbees in the begining and the end, dang I know what I will be doing tonight.

Let me guess. Watch the movie again?  ;D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 29, 2008, 04:35:43 pm
You Bet!  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on April 29, 2008, 04:38:45 pm
Wish I had it on DVD already so I could watch it on our new big plasma TV!  :P
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on April 29, 2008, 04:55:27 pm
i saw this movie about a year ago at the GTLB Independant film festival with my daughter and her friends in Tampa.  It was the last night of the festival.  I thought it was a wonderful movie.  

As a matter of fact it was during that time that Artiste was real down on BBM.   I had posted to Artiste that if he wanted to see a gay themed movie with a happy ending that this was the movie he should watch!



Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 29, 2008, 05:05:27 pm
I wonder if he ever did, we will soon know, I am sure!  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on April 29, 2008, 09:33:15 pm
I'm so sorry I missed this movie--and I'm so glad I found this thread here. Thanks to you all, I've now pre-ordered the DVD from Amazon (May 28). In the meanwhile, here are a couple of reviews that might be interesting.

(Thank you again for the tip!)  ;D


From The New York Times:

http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/movies/28shel.html (http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/movies/28shel.html)
 
Movie Review

Shelter (2007)
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/27/arts/28shel600.jpg)
Brad Rowe, left, and Trevor Wright in "Shelter," directed by Jonah Markowitz

March 28, 2008

Out on the Waves
 
By JEANNETTE CATSOULIS
Published: March 28, 2008
 
A confused young artist is torn between his family and his future in “Shelter,” a sensitive romantic drama from the writer and director Jonah Markowitz.

Set in the working-class San Pedro area of Los Angeles, the movie centers on Zach (Trevor Wright), a short-order cook. Between shifts Zach pursues a desultory relationship with his girlfriend, Tori (Katie Walder), and acts as surrogate father to his 5-year-old nephew, Cody (Jackson Wurth). His real passion, however, is painting, expressed in the stenciled graffiti he sprays on neighborhood buildings and in the art-school dreams that his selfish sister (Tina Holmes) is determined to sabotage.
 
Everything changes when Zach finds himself drawn to Shaun (Brad Rowe), a confident writer and eager enabler of all of Zach’s passions. As the two hit the surf and Shaun’s mattress with equal enthusiasm, the movie’s abundance of tanned bodies, rolling waves and golden sunsets create an aesthetic of inoffensive hedonism that perfectly matches the subject matter.
 
The first project produced by the film division of the here! cable television network, “Shelter” is finally less about erotic soul-searching than about defining one’s boundaries. And if at times the symbolism is a bit heavy-handed — and the ending is easily foreseen — strong performances and Joseph White’s burnished cinematography do much to atone. Coming out has rarely looked so pretty.
 
“Shelter” is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). Characters indulge in tasteful sex and a taste of drugs.
 
SHELTER
 
Opens on Friday in Manhattan.
 
Written and directed by Jonah Markowitz; director of photography, Joseph White; edited by Michael Hofacre; music by J. Peter Robinson; production designer, Denise Hudson; produced by Paul Colichman, Stephen P. Jarchow and J. D. Disalvatore; released by here! Networks, here! Films and Regent Releasing. At the Tribeca Cinemas, 54 Varick Street, at Laight Street. Running time: 1 hour 38 minutes. This film is not rated.
 
WITH: Trevor Wright (Zach), Brad Rowe (Shaun), Tina Holmes (Jeanne), Jackson Wurth (Cody), Ross Thomas (Gabe) and Katie Walder (Tori).




From The San Francisco Chronicle:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/27/DDC3VPKBN.DTL&type=movies (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/27/DDC3VPKBN.DTL&type=movies)

Surf buddies find their bliss in 'Shelter'

David Wiegand, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, March 28, 2008
 
Shelter: Romantic drama. Written and directed by Jonah Markowitz. Starring Trevor Wright, Brad Rowe. 97 minutes. (Rated R. At the Embarcadero and the Elmwood in Berkeley.)
 
Sometimes a film that otherwise relies on stock storylines and even skirts the fringes of old-fashioned melodrama can rise up on the strength of other elements. In the case of writer/director Jonah Markowitz's feature film debut, "Shelter" rises very high indeed, thanks to a superb performance by Trevor Wright in the lead role, a strong supporting cast, very good cinematography and, most of all, emotional authenticity.
 
First seen in the Bay Area at last year's Frameline festival, "Shelter" is a film about a young man named Zach who works as a short-order cook and has turned down a full scholarship from Cal Arts in order to take care of his family, which includes his frail father, who was disabled in a work accident, his loser sister Jeanne (Tina Holmes) and her young son, Cody (Jackson Wurth).
 
When Zach isn't slinging hash, or either breaking up or making up with his longtime girlfriend Tori (Katie Walder), he's off surfing with his best friend Gabe (Ross Thomas). Of course, the question that goes unasked but becomes nonetheless unavoidable in our understanding of Zach is whether he's really burdened by all of this responsibility, or whether he's hiding behind it. Zach doesn't begin considering that possibility until Gabe's older brother Shaun (Brad Rowe) shows up in San Pedro while waiting to move into a new place back in Los Angeles.
 
Soon enough, Zach is hanging out with Shaun a lot. They go surfing, they talk and one night, they drink a lot and there's a good-natured and, for the audience, wince-inducing wrestling match. Zach's first kiss from a guy leaves him confused. How many gay first encounters in film or fiction have involved alcohol and good-natured wrestling? Too many to count, and no doubt they've happened in real life, but that just means a director had better have a very sure hand if he wants to make them believable on film. Markowitz almost succeeds, but that's largely because he keeps the scene short.
 
Other elements of the story border on predictable, including the loser-boozer sister with serial one-night stands who, naturally, isn't happy that her possibly gay brother is tending to her young son. But as in so many other instances in the film, the cast's performances keep things credible. Holmes strikes all the right notes in showing a young woman who, in her way, is just as desperate to find herself as her brother is. And without hitting us over the head with it, Markowitz leads us to consider the essential difference that self-respect can make in finding oneself. Nicely nuanced and credible performances are also delivered by Rowe, who is smart enough to allow Zach room to screw up, Thomas as the best friend who finds he has a lot to come to grips with in the person of someone he thought he's known forever, and Walder as the girlfriend who perhaps understands Zach better and earlier than he does himself.
 
There aren't any great truths here. This is a film about love, and learning to be true to yourself and those willing to ride the wave with you. Markowitz's script is adequate on the surface, but better than that when we see how he allows his characters to embody his themes and trusts his audience enough to avoid telegraphing meaning at every turn. He often has a good ear for the way people speak in real life, although, occasionally, he falls into a "Stella Dallas" mode.
 
Wright's performance is the beating heart of the film from the start. It's a tricky role to play, because it calls on the young actor to withhold so much about his inner life yet, at the same time, give us enough information to see things that he is unwilling to look at. In this case, less becomes more and then some through a restrained and delicately balanced performance. It's Wright's careful minimalism that draws us along in the film and has us rooting for Zach all the way.
 
-- Advisory: Sexual content, brief drug use, occasional strong language.

E-mail David Wiegand at [email protected] (http://[email protected]).



From www.einsiders.com (http://www.einsiders.com) :

Shelter (2008)
(http://www.einsiders.com/reviews/archives/images/shelter2008.jpg)

Director: Jonah Markowitz,
Starring: Trevor Wright, Brad Rowe, and Tina Holmes
Length: 97 minutes
Rated: R



Catching That Perfect Dream

by Jonathan W. Hickman
reviewed: 2008-03-28
 
Zach is an artistic surfer who has put his dreams of art school on hold to help his sister raise her son. But when he finds love, he has to choose a new road for himself. Sometimes you have to make your own way.
 
“Shelter” is a love story, with coming of age elements. The fact that it is also a gay love story is only part of what makes the film interesting. Instead of reinforcing gay stereotypes, writer/director Jonah Markowitz tells his story straight dealing with Zach’s sexual identity issues realistically and honestly.
 
Fine performances from Trevor Wright and Brad Rowe, who play forbidden lovers Zach and Shaun, greatly help this largely conventional tale of boy meets boy (told bluntly). Their chemistry is believable and the romance credible. And “Six Feet Under” alum Tina Holmes, who plays Zach’s single mom/sister named Jeanne, makes her character seem real as well, especially as Jeanne questions whether Zach is involved with Shaun.
 
The surfing photography is excellent. Apparently, several of the stars really surfed as part of their performances which certainly adds to the authentic characterizations. As a non-surfer, I’m always amazed by shots of folks hanging ten.

I suppose it’s ironic that “Shelter” comes out the same weekend as the big budget, flashy, flick “21” hits theaters. Both films deal with smart young people struggling with the pressure of paying for college and making the right career choices. And while I understand that it is hard to get into college these days, there are always legitimate ways to get an education no matter how dire the situation might appear.
 
I guess I’m just a little too concrete in my thinking, but if you want to be an artist, or as in the case of the film “21,” a doctor, find a school that you can afford, and one that will accept you, and go there. It matter not how much you must beg or borrow, if you’re passionate about it, make it happen. The people who love and care for you in your life will understand, because they love you. If you don’t pursue your dreams, you may never find out who you really are.

Jonathan W. Hickman
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Post by: injest on April 30, 2008, 01:20:13 am
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“Shelter” is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). Characters indulge in tasteful sex  and a taste of drugs.


which is like...TONS better than 'distasteful' sex....

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Post by: David In Indy on April 30, 2008, 01:41:30 am

which is like...TONS better than 'distasteful' sex....

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



I THINK they mean nothing overly graphic Jess. I can't speak from experience though. They won't show it where I live.  >:(

I've been wondering if they will EVEN let us see it on DVD around here. God FORBID they show it in a Hoosier movie theater!  ::)  >:(
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Post by: injest on April 30, 2008, 01:45:53 am
I THINK they mean nothing overly graphic Jess. I can't speak from experience though. They won't show it where I live.  >:(

I've been wondering if they will EVEN let us see it on DVD around here. God FORBID they show it in a Hoosier movie theater!  ::)  >:(

hmm....I wonder if there is a SOLUTION to that...hmmmm......
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 03:50:49 am
Here is Brad Rowe talking about the gay thing:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1DBFHN-mO4[/youtube]

Brad Rowe is so much cooler and cuter than the person he's being compared to looks-wise, Brad Pitt! I would love to see more of him in movies. In the scene w/the walkie-talkies at the end in the garden, he shows so much with just his facial expressions! Exit Brad Pitt, enter Brad Rowe!  :D




Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss
Post by: Nevermore on April 30, 2008, 06:28:21 am


SPOILERS!
I would definitely recommend this--it's no cinematic masterpiece a la Brokeback Mountain but it is a fun, well-crafted little film with believable characters, well-played by actors who imbue them with depth where they could easily have been the usual stock figures. It's a love triangle of sorts, but not in the sense you'd expect--the main character, Zach, is torn between his sense of obligation fun-loving, irresponsible single-mom older sister and his attraction to his best friend's older brother Sean, who reappears in his life at a point where he has become resigned to giving up his dreams of being an artist to play Dad to his young nephew.
There's also a longtime best girl friend/sometime girlfriend in the picture, and you can just taste the bittersweet ease of "settling" tugging at him--marry the girl, the part-time "find yourself" job becomes permanent, and one day he wakes up and realizes he's forty and hasn't really gotten anything he wanted from life. It was especially poignant for me because the "sense of place" that was so resonant for the westerners in Brokeback was present for me with Shelter: it was shot in my hometown, San Pedro, California, the blue-collar harbor town that is the port of Los Angeles. I grew up with a lot of Zacks and Jeannes, and most of them are still there, living their lives in the shadow of the Vincent Thomas Bridge that is a central (and wee bit obvious) motif.
If there's a weakness, it's that Zack's dilemma seems like such a non-dilemma--move in with the handsome Prince Charming or stay on as permanent babysitter for young Zack will big Sis Jeanne plays away with a succession of  losers? It's a legitimate criticism, but I would answer that it's difficult to overestimate the power of family obligation, and also, Sean's seeming perfection might raise suspicions that he's a little too good to be true. The character is supposed to be from the chi-chi Palos Verdes peninsula (though it looks like Malibu standing in for PV), bringing out Zack's working class defensiveness, which rings true enough to those of us who lived "down the hill."
It is, I repeat, not a masterpiece, more of a particularly thoughtful Afterschool Special, but none the worse for that, and though I firmly believe a story should stand on its own merits and not the value of the "lesson," if I were a middle school teacher with a student questioning his sexuality, I would be glad to have the DVD in my arsenal of resources.
On the sex: it's there, it's unobtrustive, and though there is actually quite a bit more of it than in Brokeback, it's of the tasteful variety, maybe a little too tasteful (a shot of the boys in shorts in circumstances where I doubt they'd be clothed) and one rather silly slapstick discovery scene that was probably the weakest thing in it. But all in all, it held up to a second viewing.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 07:30:43 am
Exit Brad Pitt, enter Brad Rowe!  :D

Wow, never thought I would say this, but, AMEN!  :laugh:
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 07:31:55 am
Wish I had it on DVD already so I could watch it on our new big plasma TV!  :P

Will it be in the European format too? Is there a European format anymore?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 07:39:37 am
Thanks Nevermore for the excellent review. As I was watching again last night I was wondering how I would find out the name of that bridge, the link between their two worlds, done up in blue. Thanks so much for sharing the geographic infomation.

I agree it is no masterpiece and I like the comparison to the afterschool special, I grew up on them! :laugh: I found myself comparing key scenes to BBM, like the strange music that plays when Zach goes out surfing after spending the night with Shaun, it is reminiscent of the slaughtered sheep scene. I probably should just let it stand on its own but the comparison is sometimes unavoidable for me.

And
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Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 07:48:08 am
Thanks Nevermore for the excellent review. As I was watching again last night I was wondering how I would find out the name of that bridge, the link between their two worlds, done up in blue. Thanks so much for sharing the geographic infomation.

I agree it is no masterpiece and I like the comparison to the afterschool special, I grew up on them! :laugh: I found myself comparing key scenes to BBM, like the strange music that plays when Zach goes out surfing after spending the night with Shaun, it is reminiscent of the slaughtered sheep scene. I probably should just let it stand on its own but the comparison is sometimes unavoidable for me.

And


I agree it should stand on its own and is able to stand on its own, but there were definitely some scenes that reminded me of Brokeback.

Let me see.... uhm....

There's the getting drunk together scene (although the one in BBM ended in something a little more... uhm... hardcore... than in Shelter). I loved the scene in Shelter though because even though the wrestling scene is almost cringeworthy, the whole chain of events after that are so natural and as Marie called it, inevitable. And I loved the kiss, I can't help it.

The pacing scene where he's fighting to go and be with Shaun reminds me of Ennis sitting at the campfire before entering the tent.

I'll come up with more when I watch it again. LOL



Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 07:54:58 am
Wow, never thought I would say this, but, AMEN!  :laugh:

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I was all *swoon* when he's talking about Zach moving in with him. The way he says. "I live right near CalArts..." with that smile...

Will it be in the European format too? Is there a European format anymore?

I hope so! It's not being offered on amazon.co.uk yet, but I hope it will, because we can't play US region DVDs here...  >:(

It was especially poignant for me because the "sense of place" that was so resonant for the westerners in Brokeback was present for me with Shelter: it was shot in my hometown, San Pedro, California, the blue-collar harbor town that is the port of Los Angeles.

It must've been great for you to see your own hometown in the movie! I am Dutch and live in Holland, but I lived in LA for a year and I got that California vibe from the movie, and it even made me a bit homesick. I sometimes miss California...

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 08:17:27 am

There's the getting drunk together scene (although the one in BBM ended in something a little more... uhm... hardcore... than in Shelter). I loved the scene in Shelter though because even though the wrestling scene is almost cringeworthy, the whole chain of events after that are so natural and as Marie called it, inevitable. And I loved the kiss, I can't help it.


OMG that is one of the nicest kisses I have ever watched, Shaun moving in so carefully, knows that Zach wants it but he has to be so careful to not scare him off, touching him, then kissing him, touching the back of his head and then......

Zach kisses back! Yes! TOUCHDOWN!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on April 30, 2008, 08:19:25 am

It was especially poignant for me because the "sense of place" that was so resonant for the westerners in Brokeback was present for me with Shelter: it was shot in my hometown, San Pedro, California, the blue-collar harbor town that is the port of Los Angeles. I grew up with a lot of Zacks and Jeannes, and most of them are still there, living their lives in the shadow of the Vincent Thomas Bridge that is a central (and wee bit obvious) motif.

If there's a weakness, it's that Zack's dilemma seems like such a non-dilemma--move in with the handsome Prince Charming or stay on as permanent babysitter for young Zack will big Sis Jeanne plays away with a succession of  losers? It's a legitimate criticism, but I would answer that it's difficult to overestimate the power of family obligation, and also, Sean's seeming perfection might raise suspicions that he's a little too good to be true. The character is supposed to be from the chi-chi Palos Verdes peninsula (though it looks like Malibu standing in for PV), bringing out Zack's working class defensiveness, which rings true enough to those of us who lived "down the hill."

Love the review, and, as a New Yorker, born and bred, I learned a lot from this. Thank you so much, I am now really looking for the DVD a month away. (I am also steamed   >:(, however, that the first release was shown in only one theater, and in so short a time, even in New York! I wonder if the film was run in a theater in San Pedro, and what the "Zacks and Jeannes" thought about it... More empowerment, I hope!)

Thanks again!  :)
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Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 08:24:21 am
OMG that is one of the nicest kisses I have ever watched, Shaun moving in so carefully, knows that Zach wants it but he has to be so careful to not scare him off, touching him, then kissing him, touching the back of his head and then......

Zach kisses back! Yes! TOUCHDOWN!!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

And they stare at each other for the longest time before it happens...
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 08:24:55 am
Thanks Jim for those reviews, I have not looked for many yet, but yes they really do treat the movie well. There is one line in the story in Frontier that Mel posted too where Brad Rowe says in an interview:

"What I love about this film is it's about opportunities. There's an opportunity for a kid to have a father, a man to have a lover, and an older man to find his art. What choices are made, well that's the journey."

 :)
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Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 09:38:00 am
Oh Oh! I got one more!

Zach kicks a bucket all Ennis-style! At the end when that scumbag boyfriend of Jeannie shouts at Cody.

 :D
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Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on April 30, 2008, 10:36:37 am
Hello, Shakestheground--

Hi, if it's me who posted the three reviews (New York Times, SFChronicle, etc.), I'm John, not Jim (as in john michael maurice gallagher, but whatever--

Thanks for starting the thread in the first place, and thanks for all the great info and vibes (Dank U, Snork)! I can't wait till I finally see the movie

xxx
John

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 10:52:22 am
Hello, Shakestheground--

Hi, if it's me who posted the three reviews (New York Times, SFChronicle, etc.), I'm John, not Jim (as in john michael maurice gallagher, but whatever--

Thanks for starting the thread in the first place, and thanks for all the great info and vibes (Dank U, Snork)! I can't wait till I finally see the movie

xxx
John

 ;D

Hi John!  :D

I agree that a big thank-you needs to go out to Truman for starting this thread!  :-* :-* :-* :-*

I have asked for a mention of this thread on the banner, so hopefully more people will be able to see it soon... gonna check again for the European DVD...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 10:59:09 am
Hello, Shakestheground--

Hi, if it's me who posted the three reviews (New York Times, SFChronicle, etc.), I'm John, not Jim (as in john michael maurice gallagher, but whatever--

Thanks for starting the thread in the first place, and thanks for all the great info and vibes (Dank U, Snork)! I can't wait till I finally see the movie

xxx
John

 ;D


I'm sorry, I posted that this morning before I had any coffee and I wasn't very sharp I know better!

But thank kew, those articles are wonderful.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 11:03:53 am
Well you know if I hadn't opened that spam email I may never have heard about it. But dang when I saw them two I was like "Hello!"
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 11:19:12 am
Mel, did you notice in every scene the moon appeared, it was a full moon?
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Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 11:36:04 am
Mel, did you notice in every scene the moon appeared, it was a full moon?

No!!!  :D Now I have to see it AGAIN!  ::)

Did you notice that Zach also wears Shaun's shirt in a brief scene after the break-up in the car? It's when he's in his car (I think at the end of part 4)....

Don't tell me, you need to go and see it again?  ;) ;D

Well you know if I hadn't opened that spam email I may never have heard about it. But dang when I saw them two I was like "Hello!"

So spam email is good for something then? How surprising! Yeah, those two really do make you go "Hello!". It may be superficial, but it really doesn't hurt the movie that they are so cute. Just like it didn't hurt Brokeback.  :P

LOL.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 11:49:56 am

Don't tell me, you need to go and see it again?  ;) ;D


I watch about half of it last night (taking notes no less) but it got so slow to down load and it got late so I went to bed. I did see all kinds of things I missed the first time.

Like: Shaun says "I never knew you knew about me" to Zach. I am still trying to figure out what he means. That he was a writer, that he was gay, that he existed, which he obviously did. It seems Shaun taught Zach and Gabe how to surf.
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Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 01:50:26 pm
I watch about half of it last night (taking notes no less) but it got so slow to down load and it got late so I went to bed. I did see all kinds of things I missed the first time.

Like: Shaun says "I never knew you knew about me" to Zach. I am still trying to figure out what he means. That he was a writer, that he was gay, that he existed, which he obviously did. It seems Shaun taught Zach and Gabe how to surf.

I think he meant "I never knew you knew about what I have been doing the past years since I moved away..."

Oh I was wondering about the conversation in the car, the moment they break up and Zach lashes out at Shaun, telling him to get another fantasy. What do you make of that scene? Do you think Zach at that moment believes that Shaun is taking advantage of him just like his sister tried to make him believe, that to Shaun, Zach was just a summer fuck?
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2008, 02:20:56 pm
I think he meant "I never knew you knew about what I have been doing the past years since I moved away..."

Oh I was wondering about the conversation in the car, the moment they break up and Zach lashes out at Shaun, telling him to get another fantasy. What do you make of that scene? Do you think Zach at that moment believes that Shaun is taking advantage of him just like his sister tried to make him believe, that to Shaun, Zach was just a summer fuck?

Yeah, I think that is exactly what is going on. Jeanie planted that idea in his head, she is a manipulator and sees this relationship as something she needs to control right away. She is also playing into Zach's masculinity by refering to him in a way that some straight men will from time to time refer to women, thereby cheapening the experence and his self esteme. It is much the same way Gabe views women.
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Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 02:43:21 pm
Yeah, I think that is exactly what is going on. Jeanie planted that idea in his head, she is a manipulator and sees this relationship as something she needs to control right away. She is also playing into Zach's masculinity by refering to him in a way that some straight men will from time to time refer to women, thereby cheapening the experence and his self esteme. It is much the same way Gabe views women.

Very interesting! I wish we could have seen more of Gabe at the end, it seems like he just disappeared after the scene in the diner. Finding out your best friend is gay is one thing, finding out he's sleeping with your older brother is another. LOL. That really must've been tough. It's interesting how in that scene, Zach only stopped beating around the bush when Gabe said that it was really really weird that it's with his brother.

Gabe is also there to show how much more mature Zach is, how much more responsibility he feels. And the difference between how Zach deals with his on and off girlfriend, although he leads her on, he still treats her fairly well, and really does love her.

Oh, by the way, I was thinking that there's a big difference between Zach at the beginning of the movie, almost still a teenager on his skateboard, his whole body language is that of a teenager, and then at the end with Shaun and Cody at the beach he really is a grown up man.

End of rambling... LOL!
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Post by: mvansand76 on April 30, 2008, 04:09:22 pm
I think I fiigured out the age difference. In the surfing scene with Gabe and Shaun, Gabe says he will never be on a longboard and Shaun says, give me ten years and call me back about that.
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on April 30, 2008, 08:47:29 pm
I just wanted to tell you all that I am ignoring ALL your posts here on this thread  ;D :D :laugh: because I absolutely want to avoid to read spoilers like I did for BBM before seeing it the first time. It kinda spoiled BBM for me and I'm still pi**ed of with myself because of it.. ehm.. really.

Anyway, I have heard of "Shelter" quite a while ago now and am finding it difficult to resist watching clips on YouTube (I've seen some..) or read here. I don't think it will be released in Belgium soon, so I'll have to be strong! ..  :P

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: Toycoon on April 30, 2008, 09:40:35 pm
I think he meant "I never knew you knew about what I have been doing the past years since I moved away..."

Oh I was wondering about the conversation in the car, the moment they break up and Zach lashes out at Shaun, telling him to get another fantasy. What do you make of that scene? Do you think Zach at that moment believes that Shaun is taking advantage of him just like his sister tried to make him believe, that to Shaun, Zach was just a summer fuck?

I choose to believe this theory. (Snork, you make it sound so hot and dirty!)

I really enjoyed the movie 'Shelter'. I still don't get the title, though. 'Shelter' from what?
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 01, 2008, 02:52:35 am
I choose to believe this theory. (Snork, you make it sound so hot and dirty!)

I really enjoyed the movie 'Shelter'. I still don't get the title, though. 'Shelter' from what?

Shelter is also a surfing term, and I think Zach is finally findig Shelter for himself in Shaun, after having given it to everybody around him...
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 01, 2008, 03:08:25 am
Oh I just figured out someting. When Gabe, Zach and Shaun are surfing together and after Gabe and Zach talk and Shaun comes out of the water and Gabe goes back into the water, Shaun kneels down before Zach and asks "What's the matter, babe..." and Zach pulls away, Shaun points in the direction of Gabe in the water, like he was trying to say "He already knows." but he can't get a word in edgewise because Zach freaks out and tells Shaun to chill. I really do think Gabe already knows in this scene, must've heard about it through the grapevine.

 :P
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 01, 2008, 03:16:12 am
I just wanted to tell you all that I am ignoring ALL your posts here on this thread 

j. U. d. E.

Good luck with that!  ;D ;)

I so hope the DVD comes out in Europe. Otherwise we will probably have to settle for buying the US region DVD and getting a region-free DVD player... I would find it rather silly if the DVD doesn't come out in Europe, because I heard from a German girl that she saw it in the cinema in her town. So it did come out in Europe, but very randomly.
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 01, 2008, 07:58:48 am
Can you tell me a bit more about a region free DVD player? I am not familar with them.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 01, 2008, 11:14:08 am
Can you tell me a bit more about a region free DVD player? I am not familar with them.

Yes, but first I will post this pic I found on ennisjack...  ;D

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/00000.jpg)

You can buy region-free DVD players, which is very interesting for Europeans, because with the dollar being at an all-time low, we can buy cheap DVDs in the States, through amazon.com. It's such a silly thing that they have regions still.
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 01, 2008, 11:18:56 am
Wow, Mel, you're on a roll here... ;) That's a nice picture.

Shelter is also a surfing term, and I think Zach is finally findig Shelter for himself in Shaun, after having given it to everybody around him...

Is there something about this movie you don't know?  :o

Thanks for the answer. I was wondering about the title too.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 01, 2008, 11:25:17 am

Is there something about this movie you don't know?  :o


Thank God for the internet, huh?

 ;D
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 01, 2008, 11:38:04 am
It's such a silly thing that they have regions still.

You can say that twice and mean it! What were they thinking?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 01, 2008, 06:01:13 pm
(Chuck will be so proud of me)

Here is Treavor Wright in 1989, he is the kid on the motorcycle at 2:26 :



[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgVhmly4s-M[/youtube]
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 01, 2008, 06:09:40 pm
And this, one of my favorite scenes in gay themed cinema, Sean Hayes and Brad Rowe dance to Petula Clark:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EONblZu7iqQ&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 01, 2008, 07:29:40 pm
Mel you mentioned 10 years difference in ages, I think that is right. When Shaum meets up with Tori again he reminds of her of when she was 13 and he bought them wine coolers. He would have been about 21 to do that, making him about 8 years older than her, and I think she, Zach and Gabe are all about the same age.

In real life Brad Rowe will be 38 in a couple of weeks, I can't find out how old Treavor Wright is.

Did you notice when Zach is talking to Shaun on the walkie talkies he is surrounded in his bed by black and white rectangles on the wall, and when they finish he gets a new marker out. The next time you see that room the rectangles are all colored red.

So why did they need to stop at the clothing store to buy Cody flipflops to go to dinner when he had on a pair of shoes?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 03:54:31 am
Mel you mentioned 10 years difference in ages, I think that is right. When Shaum meets up with Tori again he reminds of her of when she was 13 and he bought them wine coolers. He would have been about 21 to do that, making him about 8 years older than her, and I think she, Zach and Gabe are all about the same age.

In real life Brad Rowe will be 38 in a couple of weeks, I can't find out how old Treavor Wright is.

Did you notice when Zach is talking to Shaun on the walkie talkies he is surrounded in his bed by black and white rectangles on the wall, and when they finish he gets a new marker out. The next time you see that room the rectangles are all colored red.

So why did they need to stop at the clothing store to buy Cody flipflops to go to dinner when he had on a pair of shoes?

Great video finds, Truman!  :D Oh no, the motor cycle video is no longer available! Was it Paula Abdul?

If you can find out how old he is in the video approx., then you have a pretty good estimate of how old he is!

Funny to be trying to find out info about actors who are not that famous (but should be)...

Wonderful observation about the red, the director uses the red to signify something. I read that in the photoshoot article (see below). Where have we discussed this before in another movie?  ::) I think it's the one with the gay cowboys...  :P

But I like the use of red in the movie...

Here's the photoshoot with all the red:

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/000001-1.jpg)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/000002.jpg)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/000003.jpg)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/000004.jpg)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/000005.jpg)





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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 02, 2008, 07:57:55 am
Yeah click on the youtube link just above the picture and you'll get the Paula Abdul video, I think it is embedded, or something....
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 08:26:25 am
Youtube says: This video is not available in your country.

What the fuck?  >:(

 ::)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 02, 2008, 08:33:35 am
Youtube says: This video is not available in your country.

What the fuck?  >:(

 ::)

Now that is f'ed up. How can they.....ah hell they can do anything they want I guess.

Well what your missing is a younger Paula Abdul (this was 19 years ago) trying to teach some kids how to dance and Treavor Wright breifly appears, on a motorcycle, approximatly 6 years old.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 02, 2008, 08:34:56 am
ok ok!! I will look for the DVD!! Ya'll done talked me into it!

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: christie wood on May 02, 2008, 08:35:10 am
Hey everyone

My name's Christie and I'm from ennisjack.com, Mel told me there was a Shelter thread here to come and look. I've just got caught up on it and its great to know there are other fans of this awesome film.  I watched it a couple of nights ago and cant stop thinking about it!  I'm kind of hooked.  ;)

Love all the discussions, theories, opinions, vids, pics......I hope to join in, when I can stop swooning!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 02, 2008, 08:38:51 am
oops! says it doesnt come out til the end of May!

 >:( >:(

oh well something to look forward to!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 02, 2008, 08:48:41 am
Hey everyone

My name's Christie and I'm from ennisjack.com, Mel told me there was a Shelter thread here to come and look. I've just got caught up on it and its great to know there are other fans of this awesome film.  I watched it a couple of nights ago and cant stop thinking about it!  I'm kind of hooked.  ;)

Love all the discussions, theories, opinions, vids, pics......I hope to join in, when I can stop swooning!  :laugh:

Hey Christie, I checked out the thread over at ennisjack last night, very nice, some nice pics too.

There is an article I saw someplace, I think it was referenced on ImDB that compares it to and "Anti-Brokeback" movie in that it ends differently, I will see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 02, 2008, 08:52:15 am
Hey everyone

My name's Christie and I'm from ennisjack.com, Mel told me there was a Shelter thread here to come and look. I've just got caught up on it and its great to know there are other fans of this awesome film.  I watched it a couple of nights ago and cant stop thinking about it!  I'm kind of hooked.  ;)

Love all the discussions, theories, opinions, vids, pics......I hope to join in, when I can stop swooning!  :laugh:

how did you watch it? Is it in a theatre there?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 08:52:54 am
And this, one of my favorite scenes in gay themed cinema, Sean Hayes and Brad Rowe dance to Petula Clark:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EONblZu7iqQ&feature=related[/youtube]

This is fantastic, Truman!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 08:56:31 am
ok ok!! I will look for the DVD!! Ya'll done talked me into it!

 :laugh: :laugh:


Wuuuuhahahahaha! We're evil, aren't we (*needs those devil smileys they have over at ennisjack*). Don't worry, you will be thanking us once you've seen this movie...

 8)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 08:57:55 am
Hey everyone

My name's Christie and I'm from ennisjack.com, Mel told me there was a Shelter thread here to come and look. I've just got caught up on it and its great to know there are other fans of this awesome film.  I watched it a couple of nights ago and cant stop thinking about it!  I'm kind of hooked.  ;)

Love all the discussions, theories, opinions, vids, pics......I hope to join in, when I can stop swooning!  :laugh:


Hey! *hugs you*

Glad to have you here, I am currently checking out the new thread you have created on ennisjack! Yeeeeeh!  :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 02, 2008, 08:59:01 am

Wuuuuhahahahaha! We're evil, aren't we (*needs those devil smileys they have over at ennisjack*). Don't worry, you will be thanking us once you've seen this movie...

 8)

ya'll are...making me watch good movies!! Absolutely Machiavellian!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: christie wood on May 02, 2008, 09:01:44 am
how did you watch it? Is it in a theatre there?

I saw it on alluc.org.  But I plan to buy the DVD when its available as I dont see it coming to any cinema screens in the UK.  :(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 09:04:55 am
ya'll are...making me watch good movies!! Absolutely Machiavellian!!


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I can send you the links of where I saw it online, if you want? You can still order the DVD of course (I am even doing that, even if I don't know for sure if I will be able to watch it because of the region problem), but at least you will be able to see it sooner than 27 May.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: christie wood on May 02, 2008, 09:11:21 am

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I can send you the links of where I saw it online, if you want? You can still order the DVD of course (I am even doing that, even if I don't know for sure if I will be able to watch it because of the region problem), but at least you will be able to see it sooner than 27 May.

I solved the region problem thing ages ago on my player by typing into google how to convert to a multi-region player. Its really easy. And believe me I am no technical whizz kid!!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!).See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 09:17:01 am
I solved the region problem thing ages ago on my player by typing into google how to convert to a multi-region player. Its really easy. And believe me I am no technical whizz kid!!!

You mean for the DVD player on your computer, right?

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 02, 2008, 09:44:53 am
Often times I find myself caught someplace between appreciating how fortunate I am I don't have to deal with such issues too much, and wondering what it must be like to have to put up with stuff like that.

(and a third path: wonder what I'm missing?)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 10:51:12 am
Often times I find myself caught someplace between appreciating how fortunate I am I don't have to deal with such issues too much, and wondering what it must be like to have to put up with stuff like that.

(and a third path: wonder what I'm missing?)

Do you mean when you watch the movie?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 02, 2008, 12:20:23 pm
Do you mean when you watch the movie?

Nah, when I think about (and this is my perception of the situation) that the US is at the center of everything, and we fall short when it comes to things like formats, and customs and languages and outlooks. We don't do enough to bridge the gap with the rest of the world.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 02:23:07 pm
Nah, when I think about (and this is my perception of the situation) that the US is at the center of everything, and we fall short when it comes to things like formats, and customs and languages and outlooks. We don't do enough to bridge the gap with the rest of the world.


Yeah, I agree with you...  :-\
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 02, 2008, 02:38:26 pm
But at least we as a community now seem like we can circumvent the format problem.

Hey did you notice when Zach starts getting inspired to paint again he is not doing tags of industrial scenes, but a large mural of a great sheltering tree?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 03:02:18 pm
But at least we as a community now seem like we can circumvent the format problem.

Hey did you notice when Zach starts getting inspired to paint again he is not doing tags of industrial scenes, but a large mural of a great sheltering tree?

Yeah! And it alomst looks like a tree of life too, doesn't it? Also, he doesn't need the stencils anymore, he's free!
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 02, 2008, 03:17:52 pm
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/other/2008_shelter_032.jpg)

I'm intrigued by that ring he's wearing on his right hand. I couldn't find a clear picture of it. *looks expectantly at Mel*  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 02, 2008, 03:21:37 pm
And what about the right on a chain that he is wearing around his neck? Maybe that is his mothers wedding band?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on May 02, 2008, 03:25:47 pm

I'm intrigued by that ring he's wearing on his right hand. I couldn't find a clear picture of it. *looks expectantly at Mel*  ;)

 ;D I am going to get the .avi file on a DVD next week or so, then I will be able to freeze it and look for you!  :-*

Yeah, the ring on a chain (let me just check the ennisjack screencaps lol)......
....

...

....

Nah, can't get a clear enough picture of it... Nice idea that it's his mother's wedding band.....

 :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mactwck on May 02, 2008, 09:06:40 pm
OMG I love this movie.I have here!tv and I have sen it a bunch of times.  I can not wait fot the dvd to come out.  Maybe they will have deleted scenes.

I have read the whole thread and I have so many thoughts and everything but they are really jumbled.

Somebody ask me a question about the movie or what I thought so I can just answer one thing at a time.

I do not see this as a anit brokeback.  I see it as a possibility in this day and age.  Hopefully we have come a long way from the 1960's when it was not even talked about.

I thnk that Zach had leanings that way and knew about Shaun and maybe had "fantasies" about him so when they had the arguement in the car he was saying how HE (Zach) felt but lashed out at Shaun and turned it on him. Sort of like the guy at school who calls every one "fag" because he does not want anyone to know that he is.  Make sense?
Michelle
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Post by: Toycoon on May 02, 2008, 10:14:30 pm
OMG I love this movie.I have here!tv and I have sen it a bunch of times.  I can not wait fot the dvd to come out.  Maybe they will have deleted scenes.

I have read the whole thread and I have so many thoughts and everything but they are really jumbled.

Somebody ask me a question about the movie or what I thought so I can just answer one thing at a time.

I do not see this as a anit brokeback.  I see it as a possibility in this day and age.  Hopefully we have come a long way from the 1960's when it was not even talked about.

I thnk that Zach had leanings that way and knew about Shaun and maybe had "fantasies" about him so when they had the argument in the car he was saying how HE (Zach) felt but lashed out at Shaun and turned it on him. Sort of like the guy at school who calls every one "fag" because he does not want anyone to know that he is.  Make sense?
Michelle

I assumed that Zach was projecting his personal difficulty with homosexuality onto Shaun as well.
Zach seemed to know a LOT about Shaun and his life well before Gabe even figured it all out.
I didn't see this as the Anti-Brokeback at all. I don't understand why both stories can't co-exist peacefully.
Michelle, I think you would like the '96 British film, "Get Real". It is along the lines of "Shelter", both movies are excellent.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mactwck on May 02, 2008, 10:52:40 pm
Where would I see that film?  I have seen the British film "Beautiful Thing" really liked that coming out and of age film.

I think Zach knew Shaun was gay but it sounds like the book Shaun wrote filled in a lot of gaps.  He said, "just changed the names?"  Maybe that is why he never told Gabe he read the book. 

Michelle
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Post by: David In Indy on May 02, 2008, 11:02:18 pm
Where would I see that film?  I have seen the British film "Beautiful Thing" really liked that coming out and of age film.

I think Zach knew Shaun was gay but it sounds like the book Shaun wrote filled in a lot of gaps.  He said, "just changed the names?"  Maybe that is why he never told Gabe he read the book. 

Michelle

Hi Michelle!

It's to be released on May 28th in the US, and I'm hoping Best Buy, Circuit City (or similar) will sell it. If not, I'll order it from Amazon. It never showed at any of the theaters in my state, nor in any of the surrounding states. I would have gladly driven 100 miles or so in order to see it on the big screen.

Welcome to Bettermost! :D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 02, 2008, 11:04:15 pm
Ooops! I just read through the thread a little, and I noticed you've already seen this movie. You must have been asking about something else.

Anyway, my "welcome to bettermost" still stands! ;) :)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mactwck on May 03, 2008, 12:10:51 am
Thanks for the welcome.  I have been a bad girl. I have been lurking for a while just not too much to say I guess.  Considering I live in the 5th largest city in the US Shelter is not showing here either.  But I have here!v so I can watch it but plan to buy the dvd once it comes out. *girly squeal*  Sorry it just slipped out.

Michelle
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Post by: David In Indy on May 03, 2008, 12:15:47 am
Thanks for the welcome.  I have been a bad girl. I have been lurking for a while just not too much to say I guess.  Considering I live in the 5th largest city in the US Shelter is not showing here either.  But I have here!v so I can watch it but plan to buy the dvd once it comes out. *girly squeal*  Sorry it just slipped out.

Michelle

Oh that's okay if you squealed. I get excited when I think about it too! ;)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 03, 2008, 12:20:06 am
Thanks for the welcome.  I have been a bad girl. I have been lurking for a while just not too much to say I guess.  Considering I live in the 5th largest city in the US Shelter is not showing here either.  But I have here!v so I can watch it but plan to buy the dvd once it comes out. *girly squeal*  Sorry it just slipped out.

Michelle

I am going to buy the DVD too. I have seen most of it on the net but I think it would be nice to see it all in one piece!  :laugh: :laugh:

also I bet the ocean scenes will be fantastic on the DVD...love the ocean.

I like the ease they have with one another in the love scenes although it sure seems like Zack went from 0 to 60 in nothing flat!!  :o :o
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Post by: injest on May 03, 2008, 01:10:37 am
I liked the chemistry between the two male leads. I like that they told the story without resorting to 'stereotypical' behaviour...this is just two guys that happen to fall in love.

(although I think Shaun was already in love to start with...I love the scene where he is watching home movies of Gabe and Zack while he was talking to Zack on the walkie talkie....that was very erotic to me for some reason...)
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Post by: David In Indy on May 03, 2008, 01:14:04 am
I liked the chemistry between the two male leads. I like that they told the story without resorting to 'stereotypical' behaviour...this is just two guys that happen to fall in love.

(although I think Shaun was already in love to start with...I love the scene where he is watching home movies of Gabe and Zack while he was talking to Zack on the walkie talkie....that was very erotic to me for some reason...)

I'm so jealous ya'll have seen it and I HAVEN'T!! >:(

I really don't even know what ya'll are talking about! lol

Things will change on May 28th when I get my OWN copy of Shelter!! :D

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Post by: "Joseph Golden" on May 03, 2008, 01:56:24 am
Thanks Snork for the links, i would not have been able to it if you had of helped me. So i really appreciate it. To cleanse myself of my overwhelming amount of guilt, i plan to buy it on DVD.

Here's what i thought,

If you looking for another Brokeback Mountain than Shelter is not for you, actually there like the alpha - omega of gay cinema. Here i was thinking that it wasn't possible to get away from Brokeback. Apart from different generations, stereotypes and themes. Brokeback Mountain and Sheleter only share the fact the main characters are gay. Lets face it, Sheleter doesnt require much thought and you can safely put the Kleenex tissues away. Unless you a twelfth you old who cries at soppy drama.

If Shelter was a mainstream straight movie about boy meets girl, boy has issues to deal with before he can let go and they resolve this by living happily ever after in a kingdom far away. You'd have Patrick Dempsey and Drew Barrymore as the leads. This is the same formula, just boy meets boy. Unfortunality or thankfully Shelter does not leave out the soppy melodrama, the crisis that eats the main character up and the much older-wiser eye candy that is here to save him. I dont think anyone would have bother unless it held the title "Gay Surfer Movie" Thankfully there is something sweet, touching and binding that makes Sheleter that much better.

First there's the lead that looks similar to Paul Walker. He has all the trimmings, the cute eyes, the sensitivity and honesty. He cares about his family and you just want him to park his slippers under your bed. Than there's the much older guy, who's already out, looks stern, is muscular and honestly who wouldn't fall for this guy. It's a easy formula to create a good gay film, with out the society hates us theme. Cue the i have to much baggage to let go theme, which for me is hard to forget it's not an episode of the OC.

I've decided i wont go into what i dont like about this film, for it doesnt warrant much after we see the ending. The end of this film is what makes it all worth it. I'm talking about the last thirty seconds. It just wraps the movie up for me, it makes it all the worth, it takes away all the melodrama, the stereotypes and predictability. I'm not sure what it is, but i know it brought the only tear to my eye. Simply beautiful.....

If Brokeback was mango cheesecake, Sheleter is vanilla ice cream. Worth it when you eat it all up, it's just the guilt comes a little hard after ward...

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 03, 2008, 03:06:32 am
OMG I love this movie.I have here!tv and I have sen it a bunch of times.  I can not wait fot the dvd to come out.  Maybe they will have deleted scenes.

I have read the whole thread and I have so many thoughts and everything but they are really jumbled.

Somebody ask me a question about the movie or what I thought so I can just answer one thing at a time.

I do not see this as a anit brokeback.  I see it as a possibility in this day and age.  Hopefully we have come a long way from the 1960's when it was not even talked about.

I thnk that Zach had leanings that way and knew about Shaun and maybe had "fantasies" about him so when they had the arguement in the car he was saying how HE (Zach) felt but lashed out at Shaun and turned it on him. Sort of like the guy at school who calls every one "fag" because he does not want anyone to know that he is.  Make sense?
Michelle


Hey Michelle, nice to see you here! That is a really interesting theory! There's a lot of those guys around, I think in every country and in every school. Zach seemed pretty laidback and I couldn't see him calling other people fags, but I do feel that he would probably not correct anybody for fear of being found out!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 03, 2008, 09:18:13 am
I've decided i wont go into what i dont like about this film, for it doesnt warrant much after we see the ending. The end of this film is what makes it all worth it. I'm talking about the last thirty seconds. It just wraps the movie up for me, it makes it all the worth, it takes away all the melodrama, the stereotypes and predictability. I'm not sure what it is, but i know it brought the only tear to my eye. Simply beautiful.....

I agree with you "Joseph Golden", I am not sure how it plays with others, or even non Brokies, but after a couple of years living with the memory of Jack and Ennis and their unrequieted love, to see the ending of Shelter is like exhaling, it is like breathing, finally, to me.

I can identify with Zach's character, when I was that age I went thru all of the joy/disgust routine. Zach is not just dealing with his own feelings, but the expectations of family and friends. Thankfully Zach is strong enough to push back.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 03, 2008, 10:54:53 am
I agree with you "Joseph Golden", I am not sure how it plays with others, or even non Brokies, but after a couple of years living with the memory of Jack and Ennis and their unrequieted love, to see the ending of Shelter is like exhaling, it is like breathing, finally, to me.


Very well-put, it felt like a breath of fresh air to me too, and it put such a huge smile on my face!
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Post by: mariez on May 03, 2008, 09:02:35 pm
I have to make the time to sit and watch this again - I know there are so many little details I missed on my first viewing. 


I liked the chemistry between the two male leads. I like that they told the story without resorting to 'stereotypical' behaviour...this is just two guys that happen to fall in love.

(although I think Shaun was already in love to start with...I love the scene where he is watching home movies of Gabe and Zack while he was talking to Zack on the walkie talkie....that was very erotic to me for some reason...)

Yes!  Ditto to all of this. You can't fake the chemistry these two had.   And I really enjoyed the walkie-talkie scenes, too.   It's hard to explain, but there's  something so intimate about them. 

I loved that you could see Shaun sincerely liked being around Cody - he wasn't faking it just to try and impress Zach.  You can always tell when people are just pretending to like kids - and Zach knew that Shaun was the real deal.  Shaun was comfortable in his own skin and that had to be very reassuring to Zach.  Shaun is not only someone Zach can love, he can also look up to him and respect him - because Shaun has made it clear that he believes in Zach and his abilities and has a lot of respect for him.


Marie
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 03, 2008, 09:34:53 pm
Very beautiful film! I agree with everyone who said it was a feel-good movie. Though at times you could sense the 'suffocation' Zach was dealing with being 'stuck' in his hometown. I felt like screaming 'go out of there!' 'breathe'! I don't see too many similarities with BBM, though. But I did notice the full moon!  :D

Before watching the entire film I had seen clips (I'm bad!) and the very apparent age difference kind of put me off from being really interested. But like someone here wrote, you can see Zach mature - from the skateboarding kid at the beginning and the very responsible young man he is at the end. The age difference did not bother me so much in the end.

About Zach knowing about Shaun, I think he did way back - when Shaun says 'I never knew you knew about me' I think it was very obvious that Shaun meant 'Zach knew about him being gay'.

I too found it a bit odd, that Zach's father suddenly 'disappears' at the end. Where did they leave him, when Jeanne leaves with her guy and Zach with Shaun and Cody? Gabe 'disappears' too.. And I would have liked to know what Shaun's new book was about, since they insisted on talking about it - it seemed to be an important factor when they talked about the unfinished new book and then it's never mentioned again.

It was nice to see how well the two actors got along - simple and natural. I liked how Shaun and Zach did so easily interact with Cody. Very sweet.

I too hope to watch it again with a proper DVD! I will definitely buy the DVD when it's available! And Mel, about the region-free DVD player (not the one on your PC), you don't need to buy another player region-free in the US. Like someone mentioned (I forget who), just google 'hack region-free dvd player' (or similar) and find a page where you have a list with DVD players. Find the one you have at home and it should give you the one-by-one steps (usually with your remote) on how to convert your region 2 DVD player into a multi or region-free DVD player. I hacked my DVD player a while ago and it works fine. I can play DVDs from Europe (region 2) as well as US (region 1) etc. They really should stop selling coded DVD players here in Europe..

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 04, 2008, 10:04:44 am
From Shelter (2007)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0942384/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0942384/)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0942384/usercomments (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0942384/usercomments)

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A surprising, wonderful film!, 19 July 2007
(10 out of 10 stars)

Author: vitaminbee from United States

This one is currently making the festival rounds, and last night played at Los Angeles' Outfest, to an enthusiastic crowd. That it was produced by Here! TV (creators of such awful crud as Dante's Cove) didn't exactly fill me with much hope, but to my surprise, I walked out of last night's screening believing that I'd seen one of the best films Outfest has programmed in years, and one of the best gay films about family dynamics ever. From writer/director Jonah Markowitz down to even the smallest details, this one's a winner.

The story seems very simple, but Markowitz takes his very familiar coming-of-age premise and molds it into a very rich and rewarding experience for movie viewers. In a nutshell, the story is about Zach, a talented young artist struggling to balance the demands and responsibilities of his disintegrating family with his need to express himself as an individual and deal with his budding sexuality. Lead actor, Trevor Wright, deserves a lot of praise for giving such a commanding performance in a role that involves a lot of quiet moments. You see so much of the story in Wright's beautiful eyes and nuanced expressions. He has one small scene, while driving home, that had the Outfest audience thunderously cheering, and all it involves is a slow, satisfied smile that creeps across his lips. And that's just one of many truly lovely moments.

The rest of the cast is top-notch as well. And the cinematography of Joseph White (lots of beautiful long shots, as well as some amazing surfing footage courtesy of surf director of photography David Warshauer) and the evocative score by J. Peter Robinson (and original songs by Shane Mack) really help make this one of the best gay-themed films made in years. I can't praise it highly enough. See it the first chance you get!
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 04, 2008, 11:43:57 am
From Shelter (2007)

Have you already seen it?
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 04, 2008, 12:13:41 pm
He has one small scene, while driving home, that had the Outfest audience thunderously cheering, and all it involves is a slow, satisfied smile that creeps across his lips. And that's just one of many truly lovely moments.

I remember that scene well, and knowing a theater full of people cheered it is heart warming. It is like when he can be safe and alone he can let himself enjoy what he just did.
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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 12:21:39 pm
I remember that scene well, and knowing a theater full of people cheered it is heart warming. It is like when he can be safe and alone he can let himself enjoy what he just did.

and he wasnt' going thru a whole "oh no what have I done!" thing....instead it is like he is exhaling saying "Yes, I am home..this is what I need"

one of my favorite scenes is the one where he is sitting on the roof at night and keeps getting up and striding off screen as if he is headed out and then he comes back and knocks things off the table...then does it again...then finally "girds his loins" (zipped that jacket up determinedly) and charged off to his destiny!! I like that the camera was stationary, would not have had the same impact if it had moved with him...

 :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 04, 2008, 12:47:03 pm
I have been trying to figure our where that is at their house, like on a patio or a driveway.

I just can't get over Jeanie would leave her son behind to be with some guy. I know it has happened in real life, but damn, the look on Zach;s face as they frive away he is so angry at her, but it all works out. 
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 04, 2008, 12:56:31 pm

About Zach knowing about Shaun, I think he did way back - when Shaun says 'I never knew you knew about me' I think it was very obvious that Shaun meant 'Zach knew about him being gay'.

I thought about that too, but Zach asks Shaun about his break up before they talk about his book. It seem like he knows about Shaun, I guess Shaun could be assuming he thinks he broke up with a woman. Cody seems to have no problem with his brother being gay, I would imagine Zach would have know about Shaun from Gabe, but kept that he read Shaun's book, which must have had some risque material, from Gabe so he wouldn't be suspect. 
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 04, 2008, 01:00:50 pm
And what about the right on a chain that he is wearing around his neck? Maybe that is his mothers wedding band?

I've been thinking more about this jewelry...

Doesn't Jeanne have a similar necklace on? I thought I saw something like that in the scene where she's leaving Cody behind (I still can't believe she did that!)

Yep, we definitely need screencaps!

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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 01:11:58 pm
I have been trying to figure our where that is at their house, like on a patio or a driveway.

I just can't get over Jeanie would leave her son behind to be with some guy. I know it has happened in real life, but damn, the look on Zach;s face as they frive away he is so angry at her, but it all works out. 

Jeanie is the only character that didnt' ring very true to me. Too much of a mixture....a woman that selfcentered would not be so accepting of her brothers homosexuality, she wouldn't have had such empathy as she shows in that scene in the living room.
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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 01:14:45 pm
I thought about that too, but Zach asks Shaun about his break up before they talk about his book. It seem like he knows about Shaun, I guess Shaun could be assuming he thinks he broke up with a woman. Cody seems to have no problem with his brother being gay, I would imagine Zach would have know about Shaun from Gabe, but kept that he read Shaun's book, which must have had some risque material, from Gabe so he wouldn't be suspect. 

yes, he asks about the breakup BEFORE he mentions the book.

Now what was REALLY interesting to me was the exchange about the book....Shaun says "Gabe never told me" that Zack had read the book...makes me wonder if Gabe knew that Shaun had a thing for Zach already. cause I think Shaun (whether consciously or not) came back to the area because of Zack...
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 04, 2008, 01:24:19 pm
Hmm, I wonder. I have wondered if that film of Gabe and Zach skateboarding might have been shot by Shaun, somebody had do. I suppose Tori could have. Although he is older he is acquainted with all the gang, even know about how old Cody is.

I think the first time they are on screne together the chemestry starts.
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 04, 2008, 01:26:31 pm
yes, he asks about the breakup BEFORE he mentions the book.

Now what was REALLY interesting to me was the exchange about the book....Shaun says "Gabe never told me" that Zack had read the book...makes me wonder if Gabe knew that Shaun had a thing for Zach already. cause I think Shaun (whether consciously or not) came back to the area because of Zack...

Interesting. This might be true. I also had a feeling that Shaun had seen the home video before, that he was looking for it and not just stumbled across it.
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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 01:29:56 pm
Interesting. This might be true. I also had a feeling that Shaun had seen the home video before, that he was looking for it and not just stumbled across it.

yes. and remember when they had the fight in the car, Zack says something to the effect that he was more than a childhood fantasy....

which makes me wonder....let me look at something...
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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 01:36:10 pm
I wonder if there weren't some deleted scenes? I definitely will order the DVD as soon as it comes out...
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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 01:38:30 pm
I will try to get screencaps later. Don't have time to go thru the whole thing right now...

ya'll want the ring, the necklace that the sister is wearing and the ring that Zack wears around his neck (which for some reason I watched during the love scene....loved the way it wrapped around Shaun's neck)
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 04, 2008, 03:35:29 pm
Hey guys,

Go to http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=13301.0 (http://ennisjack.com/index.php?topic=13301.0) for screencaps made by 'newbie' Dutch Brokie Marjoleine! She did an awesome job!

She might do requests too! (Sorry Marjoleine...  ;))

Great discussion! I find the video/walkie-talkie scene absolutely fascinating because why doesn't Shaun just tell Zach what he is watching. Do you think Zach knows because the music must sound familiar (after all, it's no more than 8 years ago that they made the video...).

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Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 04, 2008, 04:39:45 pm

Have you already seen it?

YES!

I LOVED it, thank you!
(Now I can't wait for the DVD so I can see the detail....)

xxxx
J
 :-*
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 04, 2008, 05:49:21 pm
I thought about that too, but Zach asks Shaun about his break up before they talk about his book. It seem like he knows about Shaun, I guess Shaun could be assuming he thinks he broke up with a woman. Cody seems to have no problem with his brother being gay, I would imagine Zach would have know about Shaun from Gabe, but kept that he read Shaun's book, which must have had some risque material, from Gabe so he wouldn't be suspect. 

Yes that's just it. When that scene came up, I was waiting for Zach to ask Shaun 'and who was she' or 'why did you break up with her' or something similar. But that did not happen. In that scene nothing Shaun says tells you whether he is talking about a man or a woman and in my opinion, there is nothing that makes it obvious that Zach is assuming that Shaun may be talking about a woman. As they've only just started hanging out together again (since Shaun's back in town), I think they both 'omit' to use pronouns, just out of respect of privacy, or something to that effect. In any case, I had the impression Zach knew all along. The only thing new to him, is that he started feeling 'confused' (I hate this word in that context - it's over-used, but I don't know what else to use) about his feelings towards Shaun. Or should I say that Zach is starting to be 'aware' of his feelings towards Shaun.

The conversation about the book was strange enough. I can't paraphrase it now, but they were kind of tip-toeing around the real subject. Kind of sweet, really.

I too, think that there must have been scenes that in the end were cut, but that would have made it clearer - maybe - that Zach knew about Shaun. But maybe these scenes were cut deliberately to have the viewer keep guessing.

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 04, 2008, 05:56:58 pm
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Quote from: injest on Yesterday at 20:14:45
yes, he asks about the breakup BEFORE he mentions the book.

Now what was REALLY interesting to me was the exchange about the book....Shaun says "Gabe never told me" that Zack had read the book...makes me wonder if Gabe knew that Shaun had a thing for Zach already. cause I think Shaun (whether consciously or not) came back to the area because of Zack...

Interesting. This might be true. I also had a feeling that Shaun had seen the home video before, that he was looking for it and not just stumbled across it.

I tend to agree with both of you. Also, I think Gabe knew on some level. It's weird (in a good way), really. Everybody seemed to know already. Zach doesn't seem to have to tell anybody. Tori says she knew and Jeanne figured it out too.

I forget the details (have to watch it again), but how old was Zach when Shaun left?

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 04, 2008, 06:43:55 pm
I see that earlier I messed up when I said Cody didn't have a problem with his brother being gay, when I should have said Gabe didn't have a problem with his brother being gay.

I think Zach must have recognized that music from the video, "What are you watch" or "listening too" he askes, expectantly. I think he is so happy to have someone to connect with. Gabe is gone and he has no close friends it looks like.

As for the age difference I would say they are at least 8 years apart. Zach and Gabe apparently learned how to surf from him. He probably went off to college when they were maybe 10 or 12.

But now don't you think Shaun was on the rebound when he moved back?
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 04, 2008, 06:50:56 pm
Here is the review on AfterElton that describes it as "Anti-Brokeback"

http://www.afterelton.com/movies/2008/3/shelter?page=0%2C0

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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 06:54:41 pm
I see that earlier I messed up when I said Cody didn't have a problem with his brother being gay, when I should have said Gabe didn't have a problem with his brother being gay.

I think Zach must have recognized that music from the video, "What are you watch" or "listening too" he askes, expectantly. I think he is so happy to have someone to connect with. Gabe is gone and he has no close friends it looks like.

As for the age difference I would say they are at least 8 years apart. Zach and Gabe apparently learned how to surf from him. He probably went off to college when they were maybe 10 or 12.

But now don't you think Shaun was on the rebound when he moved back?

hmm. Not so sure...he seemed like he was on a mission himself...maybe (and this is just the feeling I got from him) he hadn't really been all that committed to his relationship and was wanting to (in Brokie lingo) stop 'standing it' and start 'fixin it'.

the more I think about it the more I am feeling that he came back because of Zach...not because of the free rent.

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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 04, 2008, 08:09:53 pm
the more I think about it the more I am feeling that he came back because of Zach...not because of the free rent.

Hm, that's not so much how I see it. I have a feeling Shaun did come back home to heal from a break-up and possibly to get some sense of secureness and familiarity that his little hometown could give, instead of a big anonymous city like Los Angeles. How many years ago did Shaun leave? I mean he couldn't have been in love with a teenager back then and hoping to come back to a grown man, who would possibly be feeling the same way towards him.

I think it's when he has actually started to get to 'know' grown up Zach that he realises that there could be something happening between the two, that he digs out the video.

Just a thought.

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 08:17:38 pm
Hm, that's not so much how I see it. I have a feeling Shaun did come back home to heal from a break-up and possibly to get some sense of secureness and familiarity that his little hometown could give, instead of a big anonymous city like Los Angeles. How many years ago did Shaun leave? I mean he couldn't have been in love with a teenager back then and hoping to come back to a grown man, who would possibly be feeling the same way towards him.

I think it's when he has actually started to get to 'know' grown up Zach that he realises that there could be something happening between the two, that he digs out the video.

Just a thought.

j. U. d. E.

oh I dont' think it was something he did concsiously...but we all carry our dreams and hopes and wishes ...

I may be totally off though! I need to see it again!
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 04, 2008, 08:23:42 pm
I may be totally off though! I need to see it again!

Yes, me too!  ;D

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: mactwck on May 04, 2008, 09:12:08 pm
If I squee one more time about this movie I do believe my child will move out of the house.  (Maybe I should squee some more>lol).

The first beach scene with Zach, Shaun and Tori and that guy asks Zach if he is a fag because Tori is so hot do you notice that he looks at Shuan as soon as the guy says it.  Zach knows that Shaun is gay.  Then he asks him if he is dating anyone.  Like he is feeling him out.  Zach has a crush but does not realize it.

Zach lets Shaun look at his drawings even though he says nobody looks at them, how sad not even his sister or Gabe or Tori?

If you ask me Zach is the one that keeps showing up where Shaun is.  The first day was an accident but then he goes to his house to get him for a second surf session, Zach is the one who comes to Shaun ready to play tonsil hockey.  I think Shaun has always liked Zach but saw him as straight. Or off limits as to their age difference.

I see in the reviews some say that Shaun is too accomadating.  I do not see it that way.  He is older, as in been there done that, but he has known Zach for a long time.  He knows Zach very well.  This is not someone he started seeing and all these things (Cody, Jeanne, Tori, not going to college) ame up and he did not know what to do.  He already knows all this about Zach, and goes in with his eyes wide open.  I think the fight in the cars surprises him because they have been all over town together.  Everyody seems to know and he is hurt that Zach freaks out.  he has hope Zach will pull his head out.  lol

Shutting up for now until something else strikes me!!

Chelle

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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 04, 2008, 09:31:48 pm
If I squee one more time about this movie I do believe my child will move out of the house.  (Maybe I should squee some more>lol).

The first beach scene with Zach, Shaun and Tori and that guy asks Zach if he is a fag because Tori is so hot do you notice that he looks at Shuan as soon as the guy says it.  Zach knows that Shaun is gay.  Then he asks him if he is dating anyone.  Like he is feeling him out.  Zach has a crush but does not realize it.

Zach lets Shaun look at his drawings even though he says nobody looks at them, how sad not even his sister or Gabe or Tori?

Hey Chelle! That's just too funny. I'm watching Shelter again right this minute and I am at that scene on the beach with the guy asking Zach if his a 'fag'. And you are right, Zach looks at Shaun instantly and Shaun kind of smiling an looking down, is standing up and Zach is following him. Like you say, he seems to have crush on Shaun already but is not realizing it. I wonder, if this on and off again relationship with Tori is already a sign, that Zach doesn't feel that the intimacy he has with a girl is what he really enjoys. At some point he actually says that he and Tori are best friends (rather than a couple.. ?).

About Zach not showing his pictures to anyone, I totally understand. I've been painting for a couple of years now and haven't shown anything to anyone.. Heck, I don't even look at my paintings myself (but that's gonna change ..). It's because he probably doesn't think his work is accomplished yet. It's not 'final' or ready to be seen. I'm guessing he is not yet convinced (or convincing himself) that his art is worth anything, let alone to be seen (and judged) by anyone.

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 04, 2008, 09:46:01 pm
Yeah I think that scene at the beach is probably what got the group of friends talking, and weather or not they had proof, the power of suggestion (Zach following Shaun away from the group) got them outed. 
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Post by: mactwck on May 04, 2008, 09:57:04 pm
I do not think that got them outed but obviously Tori talks to Zach's sister (which makes sense as they work in the same place).
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Post by: injest on May 04, 2008, 10:07:07 pm
Hey Chelle! That's just too funny. I'm watching Shelter again right this minute and I am at that scene on the beach with the guy asking Zach if his a 'fag'. And you are right, Zach looks at Shaun instantly and Shaun kind of smiling an looking down, is standing up and Zach is following him. Like you say, he seems to have crush on Shaun already but is not realizing it. I wonder, if this on and off again relationship with Tori is already a sign, that Zach doesn't feel that the intimacy he has with a girl is what he really enjoys. At some point he actually says that he and Tori are best friends (rather than a couple.. ?).

About Zach not showing his pictures to anyone, I totally understand. I've been painting for a couple of years now and haven't shown anything to anyone.. Heck, I don't even look at my paintings myself (but that's gonna change ..). It's because he probably doesn't think his work is accomplished yet. It's not 'final' or ready to be seen. I'm guessing he is not yet convinced (or convincing himself) that his art is worth anything, let alone to be seen (and judged) by anyone.
j. U. d. E.

I can completely understand this...a few years ago a woman asked me to do a graphite drawing of a tiger for her to give as a gift. She wouldn't take it without paying and wouldn't tell me what she wanted to pay..so. I charged her $25.

and to this day I cringe at the thought that I actually CHARGED her!
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Post by: mactwck on May 04, 2008, 11:56:45 pm
Ok I have a question that has not even been touched on.  Who is the top and bottom?  I say a little of each.
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 12:11:35 am
Ok I have a question that has not even been touched on.  Who is the top and bottom?  I say a little of each.

I think with most of the gay relationships I have known..(like there have been SOOO many) the roles are not hard and fast...I think it is more of a mutual thing...
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Post by: Toycoon on May 05, 2008, 12:36:21 am
Ok I have a question that has not even been touched on.  Who is the top and bottom?  I say a little of each.

Why does everyone want to know who the the 'top' and who is the 'bottom'?
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Post by: David In Indy on May 05, 2008, 01:10:39 am
Why does everyone want to know who the the 'top' and who is the 'bottom'?

I've wondered the very same thing Oscar. ???

Actually Jess, in many gay relationships the "top and bottom" are quite set and defined. I know some gay people who "switch roles", but mostly it's not like that. At least it's like that in my relationship, all of my previous relationships, and most of my friends too.
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 01:14:15 am
I've wondered the very same thing Oscar. ???

Actually Jess, in many gay relationships the "top and bottom" are quite set and defined. I know some gay people who "switch roles", but mostly it's not like that. At least it's like that in my relationship, all of my previous relationships, and most of my friends too.

really? huh!!

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Post by: David In Indy on May 05, 2008, 01:25:46 am
really? huh!!



Maybe they do it differently in Texas! ;) ;D

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Post by: David In Indy on May 05, 2008, 01:27:32 am
We've managed to send another thread OT again Jess! Truman is gonna KILL US! :P :D
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 01:28:23 am
Maybe they do it differently in Texas! ;) ;D



would you have this conversation with YOUR mother???

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I dont' know which of us would be more uncomfortable....me or D!!
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 01:29:05 am
We've managed to send another thread OT again Jess! Truman is gonna KILL US! :P :D

naw!! He is cool....and we will get back to the movie here in a minute!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: pnwDUDE on May 05, 2008, 01:58:36 am
Why does everyone want to know who the the 'top' and who is the 'bottom'?

Girls (most of which are straight) wanna know who is top and bottom.

Brad
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 01:59:43 am
Girls (most of which are straight) wanna know who is top and bottom.

Brad

and???

 ;D ;)
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Post by: pnwDUDE on May 05, 2008, 02:02:57 am
and???

 ;D ;)

Use your imagination. And thanks for quickly making my point  ;)

Brad
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 02:04:44 am
Use your imagination. And thanks for quickly making my point  ;)

Brad

LOL!!!! Hey I tried to be noncommital with MY original response!!

DAVID is the one that started it!!!
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 03:19:47 am
Girls (most of which are straight) wanna know who is top and bottom.

Brad

I'm a straight woman and I couldn't care less.  ;D
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 03:21:14 am
I do not think that got them outed but obviously Tori talks to Zach's sister (which makes sense as they work in the same place).

I forgot about that they work together! That makes sense.... I like Tori, she is a very believable character to me, they could have easily made her into a stereotype blonde bimbo type scorned girlfriend, but she is yet another wonderful friend for Zach, just like Gabe is.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 03:23:36 am
This thread really took off huh?

I have another question. Do you think Jeanne found out from Cody?

I'm asking because the first thing she said in the living room was "Tell me that he's just confused" and I think she was referring to Cody.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 03:28:17 am
We've managed to send another thread OT again Jess! Truman is gonna KILL US! :P :D

YOU GUYS!!!!  >:(  ::)
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 03:30:43 am
I am going to squeeeee a little here...

Don't you all love the walkie-talkie scene at the end and Zach's voice when he says "Student bad. Made a bad judgement call."?

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE! I love their voices, there is something so sexy about their voices. I was thinking it might be the California lazy drawl that I am attracted too (I lived in LA for a year).
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 05, 2008, 03:52:43 am
This thread really took off huh?

I have another question. Do you think Jeanne found out from Cody?

I'm asking because the first thing she said in the living room was "Tell me that he's just confused" and I think she was referring to Cody.

Yes, I think she did.

Cody was sleeping on the couch when Shaun took Zack in his arms (*siggggghhhhhh*). But remember when Zach and Gabe were in the car and Gabe wanted to smoke a joint, Zach objected because Cody was in the car. Gabe said 'he's asleep', but Cody wasn't and then Zach said that Cody was good at pretending to be asleep.

So I think Cody saw them together. But I also think Jeanne knew something was up. She asked Zach outright if he was a 'fag' and he never denied it. He just said 'what do you think?'. And when Cody told her about the dinner at Shaun's place, she put two and two together.

It struck me that Zack never had to come out to anyone (other than himself maybe). Everyone knew already. Kind of symbolic for the way he put everyone else's needs before his own.

I guess it's official now... I'm hooked!  :)
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 05, 2008, 04:32:11 am
I can completely understand this...a few years ago a woman asked me to do a graphite drawing of a tiger for her to give as a gift. She wouldn't take it without paying and wouldn't tell me what she wanted to pay..so. I charged her $25.

and to this day I cringe at the thought that I actually CHARGED her!
[OOh! I understand your discomfort! Totally. Thinking about it would keep bugging me like that too. I will actually exhibit some of my stuff at the end of the year. It's going to be the first time ever! There'll be three of us. One of them had her paintings in an exhibition for the first time 2 years ago and she even sold 4 paintings (not to people she knew). She said it was a real thrill! But I wonder how you put prices on your pictures?! I have no clue whatsoever and I really don't feel like anyone's gonna want to buy anyway (that's not why I'll exhibit, but some part of me does want to know if people could/would like my stuff..). Then I have the problem to give away (or sell in this case) anything I do (I draw and take pictures too), because most of the time it is not finished (in my view) [someone once told me that this means something... when you never finish a painting or drawing.. Whatevva!].

About the exhibit - my friend told me, when you give a price that's too low, people wonder, because they will think/sense that you don't appreciate your own work. Aaah, I have a few more months to think about this, but it really bugs me.. Sometimes I'm shocked at the prices you see on paintings in small art galleries! How dare they? How do the artists expect to sell??]

Parenthesis closed.  :) But the guys there highjacked this thread too, so..

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 05, 2008, 04:34:33 am
I'm a straight woman and I couldn't care less.  ;D

Me neither. Seriously. Well, maybe for a second.. No, not really.

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 05, 2008, 04:36:57 am
It struck me that Zack never had to come out to anyone (other than himself maybe). Everyone knew already. Kind of symbolic for the way he put everyone else's needs before his own.
Hey Fabienne! I said the exact same thing in an earlier thread! Don't'ya read? And it's Zach, not Zack!

 ;D  ;D

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 05:09:43 am
Cody was sleeping on the couch when Shaun took Zack in his arms (*siggggghhhhhh*). But remember when Zach and Gabe were in the car and Gabe wanted to smoke a joint, Zach objected because Cody was in the car. Gabe said 'he's asleep', but Cody wasn't and then Zach said that Cody was good at pretending to be asleep.

YESSSSS! Exactly! That's what I was thinking about too! They didn't have that scene in there for nothing! He could've overheard the talking and goodbye kiss at the door too!
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 05:13:36 am

It struck me that Zack never had to come out to anyone (other than himself maybe). Everyone knew already. Kind of symbolic for the way he put everyone else's needs before his own.

I guess it's official now... I'm hooked!  :)

Yeah, that's pretty original about the movie. He never had to tell anybody "I have to tell you something. I'm gay." Which just shows how well Tori knows Zach and I just loved Gabe in that scene, those little "OK"s when Zach gets angry. I reallllly wish we could have seen more of him at the end too. He really played an important part in the whole storyline and he did have a lot to process (I thought it wasn't fair of Zach to turn the "it's a lot to take" comment back on him, he should've realised it wasn't easy for Gabe to realise that his best friend is gay and his own brother helped him out of the closet. LOL.)

I am so happy you are hooked on this movie too, Fabienne!  :-*
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 05:17:00 am



You can really see that we are experts at dissecting movies! If the makers of this movie ever stumbled upon this thread they would surely be like  :o




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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 06:54:19 am
I forgot about that they work together! That makes sense.... I like Tori, she is a very believable character to me, they could have easily made her into a stereotype blonde bimbo type scorned girlfriend, but she is yet another wonderful friend for Zach, just like Gabe is.

yes, and the actress that played her was very pretty in a small town homecoming kind of way. Good casting there...
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 06:55:07 am
This thread really took off huh?

I have another question. Do you think Jeanne found out from Cody?

I'm asking because the first thing she said in the living room was "Tell me that he's just confused" and I think she was referring to Cody.

yep that is what I got too..
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 06:56:24 am
YOU GUYS!!!!  >:(  ::)

uh oh!! we forgot about SNORK!!  :o :o

It was all David's fault!! I am completely innocent! I sent him like fifteen pms telling him to behave!! I did!!
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 07:00:46 am
[OOh! I understand your discomfort! Totally. Thinking about it would keep bugging me like that too. I will actually exhibit some of my stuff at the end of the year. It's going to be the first time ever! There'll be three of us. One of them had her paintings in an exhibition for the first time 2 years ago and she even sold 4 paintings (not to people she knew). She said it was a real thrill! But I wonder how you put prices on your pictures?! I have no clue whatsoever and I really don't feel like anyone's gonna want to buy anyway (that's not why I'll exhibit, but some part of me does want to know if people could/would like my stuff..). Then I have the problem to give away (or sell in this case) anything I do (I draw and take pictures too), because most of the time it is not finished (in my view) [someone once told me that this means something... when you never finish a painting or drawing.. Whatevva!].

About the exhibit - my friend told me, when you give a price that's too low, people wonder, because they will think/sense that you don't appreciate your own work. Aaah, I have a few more months to think about this, but it really bugs me.. Sometimes I'm shocked at the prices you see on paintings in small art galleries! How dare they? How do the artists expect to sell??]

Parenthesis closed.  :) But the guys there highjacked this thread too, so..

j. U. d. E.


I could not imagine...I would be totally confused and stressed! Good luck with it though...I would like to hear more..and see your work! (maybe you should start a blog????)  ;D ;D

*Jess shamelessly putting in a plug for the Bettermost Blogs*
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 07:02:42 am
Yes, I think she did.

Cody was sleeping on the couch when Shaun took Zack in his arms (*siggggghhhhhh*). But remember when Zach and Gabe were in the car and Gabe wanted to smoke a joint, Zach objected because Cody was in the car. Gabe said 'he's asleep', but Cody wasn't and then Zach said that Cody was good at pretending to be asleep.

So I think Cody saw them together. But I also think Jeanne knew something was up. She asked Zach outright if he was a 'fag' and he never denied it. He just said 'what do you think?'. And when Cody told her about the dinner at Shaun's place, she put two and two together.

It struck me that Zack never had to come out to anyone (other than himself maybe). Everyone knew already. Kind of symbolic for the way he put everyone else's needs before his own.

I guess it's official now... I'm hooked!  :)

I felt that Cody was faking sleep in the 'good night kiss' scene but thought it was bad acting on the part of the kid...maybe we were MEANT to notice that he wasnt' really asleep??
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 07:05:06 am
Yeah, that's pretty original about the movie. He never had to tell anybody "I have to tell you something. I'm gay." Which just shows how well Tori knows Zach and I just loved Gabe in that scene, those little "OK"s when Zach gets angry. I reallllly wish we could have seen more of him at the end too. He really played an important part in the whole storyline and he did have a lot to process (I thought it wasn't fair of Zach to turn the "it's a lot to take" comment back on him, he should've realised it wasn't easy for Gabe to realise that his best friend is gay and his own brother helped him out of the closet. LOL.)

I am so happy you are hooked on this movie too, Fabienne!  :-*

yes, I wish there HAD been more of Gabe later in the movie. It WAS a lot for him to process....not only did his own brother ''help him out of the closet'' but his best friend and his brother had formed a relationship that was more intimate then his own relationship with either....he HAD to be feeling a bit left out...third wheelish...
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 07:25:21 am
We've managed to send another thread OT again Jess! Truman is gonna KILL US! :P :D

Yeah right. Nah, conversations diverge, it is human nature.
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 07:29:12 am
I have another question. Do you think Jeanne found out from Cody?

I'm asking because the first thing she said in the living room was "Tell me that he's just confused" and I think she was referring to Cody.

It seems that way, but I cannot remember a scene where Cody may have seen them be affectionate with each other. You know kids, they are pretty perceptive. He may have said something like "Zach is my daddy and Shaun is my other daddy."
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 07:30:14 am
I am going to squeeeee a little here...

Don't you all love the walkie-talkie scene at the end and Zach's voice when he says "Student bad. Made a bad judgement call."?

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE! I love their voices, there is something so sexy about their voices. I was thinking it might be the California lazy drawl that I am attracted too (I lived in LA for a year).

That is the best, their facial expressions go so far, espcially when Shaun turns around and sees him.
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 07:31:44 am


Cody was sleeping on the couch when Shaun took Zack in his arms (*siggggghhhhhh*). But remember when Zach and Gabe were in the car and Gabe wanted to smoke a joint, Zach objected because Cody was in the car. Gabe said 'he's asleep', but Cody wasn't and then Zach said that Cody was good at pretending to be asleep.


I guess it's official now... I'm hooked!  :)

Your exactly right! He wasn't asleap after all.
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 07:37:21 am
now I gotta see it again....I forgot about that last scene with the walkie talkies...
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 07:40:39 am
yes, I wish there HAD been more of Gabe later in the movie. It WAS a lot for him to process....not only did his own brother ''help him out of the closet'' but his best friend and his brother had formed a relationship that was more intimate then his own relationship with either....he HAD to be feeling a bit left out...third wheelish...

Gabe was a compelling character, but he was necessarily shallow, all show, all bluster.

Granted he was hung over when he got to the diner, and had no idea how to deal with it, he got his point out there that it was okay and should have left it at that. The writers knew better, it was an opportunity to get in that "thing" I tried to start a thread on once and I still don't think I got myself understood.

Gabe says "Guys give better head don't they?" and starts off on this thing I have experenced many times when a straight male acquaintence suddenly gets real interested in what I do in bed. It can be off putting, and because of Gabe's shallowness he cannot see that Zach is not about all that, he is dealing with something much more profound.

Now let me ask this: Did they ever say they loved each other?
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Post by: ifyoucantfixit on May 05, 2008, 07:48:31 am



      Guess I am going to have to rent this movie...
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 07:59:35 am
Gabe was a compelling character, but he was necessarily shallow, all show, all bluster.

Granted he was hung over when he got to the diner, and had no idea how to deal with it, he got his point out there that it was okay and should have left it at that. The writers knew better, it was an opportunity to get in that "thing" I tried to start a thread on once and I still don't think I got myself understood.

Gabe says "Guys give better head don't they?" and starts off on this thing I have experenced many times when a straight male acquaintence suddenly gets real interested in what I do in bed. It can be off putting, and because of Gabe's shallowness he cannot see that Zach is not about all that, he is dealing with something much more profound.

Now let me ask this: Did they ever say they loved each other?

not in so many words...no..
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 05, 2008, 08:02:20 am
Now let me ask this: Did they ever say they loved each other?

No. But what's your point?  ;D  ;D

Reminiscent much?

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 05, 2008, 08:10:53 am
now I gotta see it again....I forgot about that last scene with the walkie talkies...

But I really like the first walkie-talkie scene too. Where Shaun finds it and playfully talks into it and ends up contacting Zach! I love it how they show them both 'stuck' at home (sitting on a bed - parallelisms..). I love how Shaun is startled when he gets a reply (weird one no less) and how he smiles into his walkie talkie when he realizes that it's Zach at the other end. Sweet. They are connecting. [But HOW would the batteries still work after 10 years! Not possible! But I guess, for the movie it had to..  ;D] Sweet also, when the batteries do die and you just both see them sit there and smile.

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 08:14:42 am
Yeah, Zach would probably have to put batteries in it for the second scene, along with sneeking in the house, finding it, putting it where Shaun would find it, how could Shaun resist.

And the "Love thing" I never did hear it either, but it was pretty obvious!  ;D
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 05, 2008, 08:21:41 am
I could not imagine...I would be totally confused and stressed! Good luck with it though...I would like to hear more..and see your work! (maybe you should start a blog????)  ;D ;D

Ooh. Don't know, don't know. We'll see. I don't want people to feel like they are obliged to say something nice or so. Don't know. I had this very short phase where I painted very skinny humans in all kinds of sad postures. I was told that's actually because I want to be skinny..........??! HUNH? Ok, I need to lose weight, but that's not what these paintings where about.... See, it could all be mis-interpreted and backfire...  :laugh: Also, I hate to have to explain why I painted this or why I painted it this way etc.. Those questions don't make sense to me.. And I'm dreading my own answers already...

I like how Zach starts explaining what the one picture is about (Cody) and then suddenly being fed up with his own talking. Just how I would feel. Even if I had a beautiful Shaun sitting next to me and saying he (or pretending to like) likes my work..

*Jess shamelessly putting in a plug for the Bettermost Blogs*

 ;D
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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 08:30:46 am
But I really like the first walkie-talkie scene too. Where Shaun finds it and playfully talks into it and ends up contacting Zach! I love it how they show them both 'stuck' at home (sitting on a bed - parallelisms..). I love how Shaun is startled when he gets a reply (weird one no less) and how he smiles into his walkie talkie when he realizes that it's Zach at the other end. Sweet. They are connecting. [But HOW would the batteries still work after 10 years! Not possible! But I guess, for the movie it had to..  ;D] Sweet also, when the batteries do die and you just both see them sit there and smile.

j. U. d. E.

I dont' know...sometimes a battery will hold a charge for a while...not so far fetched. I have a camcorder I havent' used in almost three years, when I took it out a couple of weeks ago it ran for a few minutes then quit.

also D has a Yoda that has the original batteries in it. It sits on the top of the TV (or should I say HE sits on top of the TV) one night I was sitting here watching TV and he opened his eyes and blinked at me!! so batteries can do strange things...(that is my story and I am sticking to it....it was a STRAY CHARGE FROM THE BATTERY...Yoda is NOT trying to freak me out....)
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Post by: Front-Ranger on May 05, 2008, 09:23:51 am
Gabe says "Guys give better head don't they?" and starts off on this thing I have experenced many times when a straight male acquaintence suddenly gets real interested in what I do in bed. It can be off putting, and because of Gabe's shallowness he cannot see that Zach is not about all that, he is dealing with something much more profound.
I didn't see it that way, actually. I thought Gabe was just trying to defuse the situation, put Zach at ease. He didn't really want an answer!

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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 10:16:22 am
I love the song that plays at the end when Zach is starting to realise what he needs to do (go to Shaun and apologize). "I'll take the long way home..." love that title... Zach is going home to Shaun... *sigh*
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 10:20:17 am
But I really like the first walkie-talkie scene too. Where Shaun finds it and playfully talks into it and ends up contacting Zach! I love it how they show them both 'stuck' at home (sitting on a bed - parallelisms..). I love how Shaun is startled when he gets a reply (weird one no less) and how he smiles into his walkie talkie when he realizes that it's Zach at the other end. Sweet. They are connecting. [But HOW would the batteries still work after 10 years! Not possible! But I guess, for the movie it had to..  ;D] Sweet also, when the batteries do die and you just both see them sit there and smile.

j. U. d. E.

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/Smiley_Sunflower_heart_cheeks.jpg)
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 10:25:50 am
I didn't see it that way, actually. I thought Gabe was just trying to defuse the situation, put Zach at ease. He didn't really want an answer!



And it would be Too Much Information about his own brother! LOL!

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o60/Snuitjeboe/happy.png)
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 10:58:29 am
OMG! Cody is playing with the walkie-talkie in the scene when they come home after dropping Gabe off, in the beginning of the movie!
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 11:09:33 am
Yeah in a way it is Cody that brings them together, or at least gets the ball rolling. I love how Shaun jumps when he gets a responce.

And Zach's use of them at the end is so cool.

Now back to Gabe, don't get me wrong I like him, but here is a guy who would smoke a joint in front of a 5 year old (Jeanie I guess didn't hear about that) and he is so about sex that when he finds out his friend and his brother are having a relationship he wants to know about the sex!

Tori on the other hand, she gets to the point: "Do you love him?" (Remind you of a scene in another movie dealing with a guy named Curt?)
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 12:49:31 pm
Here is a link to the MySpace page:

http://www.myspace.com/shelterathere
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Post by: David In Indy on May 05, 2008, 04:32:46 pm
I wonder if anyone will decide to start writing fanfic based on this story? I've never been overly crazy about fanfic, but I might read it if somebody here wrote it.

Melissa? Truman? Who else writes fanfic in here? What do you all think? Are there any ideas for stories popping up in your heads?



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Post by: mvansand76 on May 05, 2008, 04:45:47 pm
I wonder if anyone will decide to start writing fanfic based on this story? I've never been overly crazy about fanfic, but I might read it if somebody here wrote it.

Melissa? Truman? Who else writes fanfic in here? What do you all think? Are there any ideas for stories popping up in your heads?






OF COURSE the idea popped in my head  ;D, but I hardly have time to write Liberation and Altitude and I need to start working more seriously on my children's book. So right now, no, but never say never! LOL. There is one scene that isn't in the movie, that I have been thinking about and that I would like to write. It's between Gabe and Shaun.
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Post by: mactwck on May 05, 2008, 06:36:21 pm
I would read anything you wrote about Shelter.

Zach's batteries work because if you notice Cody (that name just freaks me out) is playing with it in the beginning of the movie so there must be fresh batteries in his and who knows maybe Gabe had put batteries in it 3 years ago.

I love the fact that Shaun tells Zach to bring Cody. to e it shows that this was not just about sex this was about spending time together. 

I have a new obsession.  Geez I need to get out!!

Chelle

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Post by: injest on May 05, 2008, 07:33:09 pm
I llike the scene right after they kiss for the first time and Zach wakes up to find Shaun has fallen asleep next to him...I guess Shaun was just watching him sleep....so tender...
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 05, 2008, 08:26:12 pm
I llike the scene right after they kiss for the first time and Zach wakes up to find Shaun has fallen asleep next to him...I guess Shaun was just watching him sleep....so tender...

Yeah, I have ideas, but I am like Mel, there is never enough time.

Did you notice how Zach keeps wearing Shaun shirt long after the party?

Also regarding the name, by the end of the movie Zach can't go back to the house with Jeanie and Cody, he is sleeping in his car, at least when he goes to CalArts, and then comes back and asks Tori if he can stay with her. I am not real clear on why, he just don't want to deal with Jeanie?
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Post by: Toycoon on May 06, 2008, 01:25:12 am
yes, I wish there HAD been more of Gabe later in the movie.

I wish there was more of Gabe in the movie, too. He was hot!

Maybe Gabe could have experimented with Zach a little bit?
Hmmm... this is turning into a whole, different 'type' of movie. DavidIndy, are you game for it? Heehee!
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Post by: injest on May 06, 2008, 07:34:30 am
Yeah, I have ideas, but I am like Mel, there is never enough time.

Did you notice how Zach keeps wearing Shaun shirt long after the party?

Also regarding the name, by the end of the movie Zach can't go back to the house with Jeanie and Cody, he is sleeping in his car, at least when he goes to CalArts, and then comes back and asks Tori if he can stay with her. I am not real clear on why, he just don't want to deal with Jeanie?

I think so. I think he just had so much going on emotionally that it was too much for him.
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 07, 2008, 01:55:29 pm
Okay, I just watched the movie again. :) 

I'll go to amazon next and order the dvd. I'll manage to sort out the 'region' thing even though I'm not very technical...

I think one of the things that attracted Shaun to Zach (other than his amazing good looks of course  ::)  ;D) was his strong sense of family. The way Shaun immediately hit it off with Cody, wanting to be around him and playing with him on the beach (Cody:'I need to forty-five the castle' LOL!! He's so adorable), Shaun was yearning for 'family'. He pointed out to Zach twice that his dad was his stepdad, so he probably didn't have much of a relationship with him. That's why I thought if was very fitting that Cody was hugging Shaun during the last scene as his mum drove away. It's little things like this that really make this movie stand out I think. I can't believe they shot this in only 18 days...amazing!



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Post by: mvansand76 on May 07, 2008, 03:13:59 pm
Okay, I just watched the movie again. :) 

I'll go to amazon next and order the dvd. I'll manage to sort out the 'region' thing even though I'm not very technical...

I think one of the things that attracted Shaun to Zach (other than his amazing good looks of course  ::)  ;D) was his strong sense of family. The way Shaun immediately hit it off with Cody, wanting to be around him and playing with him on the beach (Cody:'I need to forty-five the castle' LOL!! He's so adorable), Shaun was yearning for 'family'. He pointed out to Zach twice that his dad was his stepdad, so he probably didn't have much of a relationship with him. That's why I thought if was very fitting that Cody was hugging Shaun during the last scene as his mum drove away. It's little things like this that really make this movie stand out I think. I can't believe they shot this in only 18 days...amazing!





Fabienne, you were wondering about the ring weren't you? In the scene where he says goodbye to Jeanne and he puts his hand in her hair and they hug, you can see the ring clearly, it looks almost like a fleur-de-lis....

Great that you are going to buy the DVD, I am going to order it too if it isn't released in Europe...

Great observations, I think you are absolutely right! This was also Shaun's chance to have the family that he craved. Yes, I love the way he is holding Cody to him in that scene. I think Brad Rowe is so natural in that and all the other scenes with Cody, because he has a 5-year old son in real life.

I thought it was interesting how Shaun held back at the car before Zach came back to hold his hand and 'dragged' him with him. When Zach does that, you can see how Shaun is really nervous and NOT looking forward to meeting Jeanne again. The bitch doesn't even have the decency to say hi, just says What is he doing here? How nasty of her, treating him like trash.

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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 07, 2008, 03:18:06 pm
The character Jeanie is really something. I am glad you went ahead and called her a bitch, that is exactly what she is. She has this son that she will throw away to be with some looser, her identity being so tightly tied to her being in a relationship with a man, she gives him the food off her plate when he asks is there more.

Cody is so much better with Zach and Shaun.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 07, 2008, 03:26:21 pm
The character Jeanie is really something. I am glad you went ahead and called her a bitch, that is exactly what she is. She has this son that she will throw away to be with some looser, her identity being so tightly tied to her being in a relationship with a man, she gives him the food off her plate when he asks is there more.

Cody is so much better with Zach and Shaun.


Yeah that scene with the food says a lot doesn't it? I think Zach is so sad when they watch her drive away because he knows she's not happy but that she will stay in that relationship forever. He, on the other hand, found the happiness and shelter he had been looking for all his life and he won Cody. He feels for his sister, wishes things could have been better for her, because you always want what's best for your siblings, right?
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Post by: Toycoon on May 07, 2008, 04:46:21 pm
Quote
I thought it was interesting how Shaun held back at the car before Zach came back to hold his hand and 'dragged' him with him. When Zach does that, you can see how Shaun is really nervous and NOT looking forward to meeting Jeanne again. The bitch doesn't even have the decency to say hi, just says What is he doing here? How nasty of her, treating him like trash.

I got the impression that Jeanne and Shaun knew each other from high school or something to that nature. They seem to be about the same age, don't you think? She was probably a bitch to Shaun back then in high school as she is today.
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Post by: Front-Ranger on May 07, 2008, 04:50:43 pm
I was disappointed with the mother's character. Surely she is not typical. Mothers in general get a bad rap in movies. The "Mommmie Dearest" syndrome.

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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 07, 2008, 05:12:07 pm
I was disappointed with the mother's character. Surely she is not typical. Mothers in general get a bad rap in movies. The "Mommmie Dearest" syndrome.



You have a point there Lee, I have noticed that too.

In Shelter, I see the story as Cody finding the family he should have, parents that would love him and care about him. Its one of the short comings of the movie that Jeanne is a stereotype of some out of control single mom.
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Post by: mactwck on May 07, 2008, 06:35:02 pm
I just watched it again too.

When Gabe comes home and he starts shouting for Shaun he had to have seen Zach's car in the driveway. Maybe that is how he found out.  He realized that they were hiding Zach being there. Did not confront him till the next day? I do not know. When they are surfing Gabe says to Zach, "Nobody has seen you lately," like he is giving him an opening to tell him.

Sigh just love this movie.
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Post by: injest on May 07, 2008, 08:38:54 pm
The character Jeanie is really something. I am glad you went ahead and called her a bitch, that is exactly what she is. She has this son that she will throw away to be with some looser, her identity being so tightly tied to her being in a relationship with a man, she gives him the food off her plate when he asks is there more.

Cody is so much better with Zach and Shaun.

and everything was about her...even without the gay thing she used Zach. Never thought for a minute of how HE was feeling.

everything was ME ME ME.. >:( >:(
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 08, 2008, 07:28:48 pm
Zach was the doormat of the family. The ones everyone wiped their feet on so they would not be at the bottom.
Now Zach's behavior I can recognize, he is sublimating himself and his life to make up for his preceived short comings, that is being gay. He even turns down a scholarship to CalArts and tells his family he was not good enough to fulfill this goal.

I think in a way Cody is his salvation as he sees he will have to stand up and take what he wants so that he and Cody can have shelter and break the cycle before Cody starts to sublimate himself for whatever reason.
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Post by: injest on May 08, 2008, 07:44:26 pm
Zach was the doormat of the family. The ones everyone wiped their feet on so they would not be at the bottom.
Now Zach's behavior I can recognize, he is sublimating himself and his life to make up for his preceived short comings, that is being gay. He even turns down a scholarship to CalArts and tells his family he was not good enough to fulfill this goal.

I think in a way Cody is his salvation as he sees he will have to stand up and take what he wants so that he and Cody can have shelter and break the cycle before Cody starts to sublimate himself for whatever reason.

yes! very good observation....sometimes a person can do for someone else what he could never do for himself...

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Post by: belbbmfan on May 09, 2008, 02:19:18 am
Zach was the doormat of the family. The ones everyone wiped their feet on so they would not be at the bottom.
Now Zach's behavior I can recognize, he is sublimating himself and his life to make up for his preceived short comings, that is being gay. He even turns down a scholarship to CalArts and tells his family he was not good enough to fulfill this goal.

I think in a way Cody is his salvation as he sees he will have to stand up and take what he wants so that he and Cody can have shelter and break the cycle before Cody starts to sublimate himself for whatever reason.

I think Jeanne was used as a doormat too. The difference with Zach was that she decided it was okay to use other people (Zach) too as a doormat. Because Zach had 'the family gene' he was able to break the cycle.

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Post by: mariez on May 09, 2008, 01:24:43 pm
I think Jeanne was used as a doormat too. The difference with Zach was that she decided it was okay to use other people (Zach) too as a doormat. Because Zach had 'the family gene' he was able to break the cycle.

All good observations.  Cody will certainly be given the opportunity to have a better perspective on himself, and on life in general, than either his mother or his uncle had.  I think Shaun said something at the end, that if Cody couldn't be with Jeanne, the next best thing was him and Shaun.  I disagree with that - I actually think that living with Zach and Shaun is  a much, much better place for Cody to be than with Jeanne. 

And it was great that we saw Cody coloring and drawing a lot - maybe he shares Zach's gift!

Marie
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 13, 2008, 03:09:15 am
Hey Marie! I agree about the better place for Cody, and I think it was a good thing that Jeanne left Cody with Z and S because her boyfriend didn't like kids. I wonder though if she will ever come back to claim him?
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Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 13, 2008, 10:58:24 am
Hey Marie! I agree about the better place for Cody, and I think it was a good thing that Jeanne left Cody with Z and S because her boyfriend didn't like kids. I wonder though if she will ever come back to claim him?

I hope not!

 >:(

Hah! I'm so bad. But the character is--the worst! Awful! She would revert and worm her way back and work on Cody as she worked on Zach. Stay far away!

On the other hand, I think the actress herself, Tina Holmes, is terrific--and quite the opposite from her role as 'Jeanne'--look:

IMDb Mini Biography:
Tina Holmes (Jeanne) grew up in New York City and Connecticut. An Ivy League girl, she attended Yale University for two years followed by a move to Paris, studying French literature at the Sorbonne. After returning to the U.S., Holmes entered Brown University where she earned her Bachelor of Arts Degree in Comparative Literature. After graduating from Brown, Holmes returned to Paris to serve as a research assistant on a documentary on famed novelist, poet and playwright Jean Genet. She also spent time at the Federal University of Pernambuco in Brazil.

So, you never know!

 ;)

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Post by: mariez on May 13, 2008, 01:33:54 pm
Hey Marie! I agree about the better place for Cody, and I think it was a good thing that Jeanne left Cody with Z and S because her boyfriend didn't like kids. I wonder though if she will ever come back to claim him?

Yeah, I think it's a pretty safe bet that Allen isn't going to turn out to be Jeanne's dream man  :-\ - but I think the problems with Jeanne go far beyond the fact that Allen didn't like kids.  Some people are not meant to be parents, and with or without a loser boyfriend, Jeanne is one of those people.  So she may come back from Oregon faster than she expects, but I just can't see her actively seeking to take Cody back on her own and assume all the responsibilities that would entail.  I get the impression she'd just as soon let Zach and Shaun do the hard stuff and she'd do the taking out for ice cream, quick trip to McDonald's type of stuff. 

On the other hand, I think the actress herself, Tina Holmes, is terrific--and quite the opposite from her role as 'Jeanne'--look:

I agree that the actress did a great job with the role! 

Marie
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 13, 2008, 04:11:38 pm
Shelter has been nominated for "Best Gay Kiss" at the NewNowNext Awards (which is featured heaily on Logo).

Go to: http://www.afterelton.com/blog/brianjuergens/afterelton-hosts-new-now-next-best-kiss-category-vote-now?&comment=40305

and cast your vote today!
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 13, 2008, 04:14:50 pm
Shelter has been nominated for "Best Gay Kiss" at the NewNowNext Awards (which is featured heaily on Logo).

Go to: http://www.afterelton.com/blog/brianjuergens/afterelton-hosts-new-now-next-best-kiss-category-vote-now?&comment=40305

and cast your vote today!

*Faints*

Have you posted this on ennisjack or shall I do it?
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 13, 2008, 04:18:37 pm
*Faints*

Have you posted this on ennisjack or shall I do it?

Sure, be my guest!
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 13, 2008, 04:26:10 pm
 :laugh:  :laugh:

the website says 'Shaun (Brad Rowe) gets horizontal with Zach (Travis Wright) in sufer movie Shelter'


Travis???

 :laugh:
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 13, 2008, 04:35:53 pm
:laugh:  :laugh:

the website says 'Shaun (Brad Rowe) gets horizontal with Zach (Travis Wright) in sufer movie Shelter'


Travis???

 :laugh:

Yeah, so much for them getting their facts straight (excuse the unintended pun...) huh?
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 13, 2008, 07:27:50 pm
:laugh:  :laugh:

the website says 'Shaun (Brad Rowe) gets horizontal with Zach (Travis Wright) in sufer movie Shelter'


Travis???

 :laugh:

I missed seeing that, but am not surprised. NewNowNext is a vehicle of Logo, and Shelter was produced by here!, which would seem to be their competition. I think it says something for Shelter that it transcends the networks.
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Post by: injest on May 13, 2008, 07:46:22 pm
Yeah, I think it's a pretty safe bet that Allen isn't going to turn out to be Jeanne's dream man  :-\ - but I think the problems with Jeanne go far beyond the fact that Allen didn't like kids.  Some people are not meant to be parents, and with or without a loser boyfriend, Jeanne is one of those people.  So she may come back from Oregon faster than she expects, but I just can't see her actively seeking to take Cody back on her own and assume all the responsibilities that would entail.  I get the impression she'd just as soon let Zach and Shaun do the hard stuff and she'd do the taking out for ice cream, quick trip to McDonald's type of stuff. 

I agree that the actress did a great job with the role! 

Marie

If Zach isn't firm she will sponge off him for the rest of his life...and use Cody to guilt him into submission... >:( >:(

she just seems like such a user and selfish!
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Post by: David In Indy on May 13, 2008, 09:44:24 pm
Well, I just checked the BestBuy and Circuit City websites and guess what? They won't be stocking Shelter in their stores on May 27. Can you believe it?

I have seen some of the most filthy, trashy, vile, putrid, awful, disgraceful, vulgar, horrible, appalling, atrocious movies ever to land on the face of the earth sold in those stores. Trashy, cheap, B rated (and probably C rated too, if there is such a catagory) movies lining their shelves. But a movie like Shelter? No. They're NOT going to do it. >:(

You have to order it, and they'll ship it to you. So guess what I just did? I went to the Amazon website and bought the movie from THEM! :laugh:

And I just fired off a very mean email to both BestBuy and Circuit City. I'm almost sorry I did that now. I'm ALMOST sorry.

Dumbass stores. >:(

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Post by: mvansand76 on May 14, 2008, 02:54:01 am
Well, I just checked the BestBuy and Circuit City websites and guess what? They won't be stocking Shelter in their stores on May 27. Can you believe it?

I have seen some of the most filthy, trashy, vile, putrid, awful, disgraceful, vulgar, horrible, appalling, atrocious movies ever to land on the face of the earth sold in those stores. Trashy, cheap, B rated (and probably C rated too, if there is such a catagory) movies lining their shelves. But a movie like Shelter? No. They're NOT going to do it. >:(

You have to order it, and they'll ship it to you. So guess what I just did? I went to the Amazon website and bought the movie from THEM! :laugh:

And I just fired off a very mean email to both BestBuy and Circuit City. I'm almost sorry I did that now. I'm ALMOST sorry.

Dumbass stores. >:(



Good for you sweetie! It's the same thing as when a chain of movie theatres in Ohio didn"t want to show BBM but they did show Hostel. What a fucked up world....
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Post by: David In Indy on May 14, 2008, 11:01:44 pm
Geez, I hope my rant didn't kill this thread! It's happened before. I'll shoot my mouth off about something and the thread suddenly dies. I did it over on another forum yesterday and it's still going strong, so perhaps my "kiss of death" thread curse only works on Bettermost. :(

PLEASE don't stop posting in here just because I popped off yesterday. I'm sorry I did it. :(

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Post by: David In Indy on May 14, 2008, 11:02:33 pm
Btw I can't wait to see this movie! :D

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Post by: injest on May 14, 2008, 11:06:40 pm
Geez, I hope my rant didn't kill this thread! It's happened before. I'll shoot my mouth off about something and the thread suddenly dies. I did it over on another forum yesterday and it's still going strong, so perhaps my "kiss of death" thread curse only works on Bettermost. :(

PLEASE don't stop posting in here just because I popped off yesterday. I'm sorry I did it. :(



Silly goose! You didn't kill the thread! We have slowed down a bit cause those of us that have seen it are kinda waiting for the rest of ya'll to get it so we can start back up fresh!!!
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 16, 2008, 01:56:12 am
Goodmorning!  :)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/photo_03_hires.jpg)
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Post by: David In Indy on May 16, 2008, 02:42:14 am
Goodmorning!  :)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/photo_03_hires.jpg)


WHOOOOOO!  :o  :o

And there it is!!  :D  :D

Just look how beautiful those two are!!

Good morning to you too Fabienne!!  :-*
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 16, 2008, 05:10:13 am
Goodmorning!  :)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/photo_03_hires.jpg)


Goodmorning Fabienne and goodnight David!  ;D

Wow, not only the two gorgeous men, but look at that amazing view, I would kill for that view, honestly.
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Post by: Penthesilea on May 16, 2008, 07:40:50 am
Wow, not only the two gorgeous men, but look at that amazing view, I would kill for that view, honestly.

LOL
My thoughts: keep the men (they have more fun with each other than they'd ever have with me anyway ;D) - but I WANT THAT HOUSE!
Can you imagine to have THAT view from your bedroom? I'd turn the bed around - you bet.
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 16, 2008, 08:41:54 am
LOL
My thoughts: keep the men (they have more fun with each other than they'd ever have with me anyway ;D) - but I WANT THAT HOUSE!
Can you imagine to have THAT view from your bedroom? I'd turn the bed around - you bet.

My thoughts exactly!  ;D
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 16, 2008, 08:47:11 am
Oh, I wouldn't mind the house, but I don't mind looking at that picture either!  :P

In fact, I just watched the movie again. I enjoyed it very much, again! LOL

Mel, you said that 'shelter' is a surfer term. What exactly does it mean?
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Post by: mvansand76 on May 16, 2008, 10:48:21 am
Oh, I wouldn't mind the house, but I don't mind looking at that picture either!  :P

In fact, I just watched the movie again. I enjoyed it very much, again! LOL

Mel, you said that 'shelter' is a surfer term. What exactly does it mean?

I don't know! I read it somewhere but can't remember.... *where's that smiley with the holes in its head?*
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Post by: belbbmfan on May 16, 2008, 11:32:09 am
I googled a bit and found this review from the Seattle Weekly. I think the reviewer is being a bit 'flip' frankly.  :-\

Shelter: Gay Surfer Dudes Just Wanna Have Fun!
By Ed Gonzalez

Shelter bides its time with innocuous snapshots of local SoCal color—crashing waves, crystal-blue skies, natives who pronounce the "r" in Louvre—before writer-director Jonah Markowitz allows Zach (Trevor Wright), a full-time burger-flipper and nanny to his nephew, to get his queer on. Following much surfer-dude posturing predicated on cautious pronoun use and double meanings ("We picked a good time to come out," Zach says in reference to the day's waves), the young cutie shares a drunken kiss with his best bud's older brother, Shaun (Brad Rowe), after which he makes a beeline for the beach in a restless attempt to surf the gay away. Rowe, no stranger to playing queerbait, patiently stands by until Wright's Zach gets his yes-no mood swings—informed as much by real life as by after-school specials and gay-male fantasy—out of his system. Their chemistry is solid, but the inane pop-rock music that fills the soundtrack is rougher trade than any of their sex scenes—or, for that matter, their characters' oft-mentioned class difference, which is never milked for any great epiphany. As far as coming-out dramas go, Shelter is a puppy dog, well-acted but rife with clichéd received wisdom and at least one ingeniously arbitrary bit of midscene dialogue: "That's why you never tell a woman how to cook a chicken."


This was one of the replies by someone who obviously didn't think much of this film:

Shelter was the name of a beautiful surf video by Moonshine Experiment produced by Jack Johnson, Taylor Steele and Chris Malloy. I hate to see a movie like that robbed of its title by some attempt at an emotionally charged exploration film with surfing involved. Find the original Shelter clips on youtube and enjoy. If you like it find a copy in a local surf shop. We live in a time where we can share what we love and leave the large studios to push their crap down each other's throats so let's make use of it.

Mystery solved.
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Post by: Front-Ranger on May 16, 2008, 11:49:48 am
Silly goose! You didn't kill the thread! We have slowed down a bit cause those of us that have seen it are kinda waiting for the rest of ya'll to get it so we can start back up fresh!!!

Not Indy's doing, but all the rancour against the mother character was a little harsh, and right around Mother's Day!!

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Post by: mvansand76 on May 16, 2008, 12:19:43 pm
Not Indy's doing, but all the rancour against the mother character was a little harsh, and right around Mother's Day!!



 :laugh:

I think you might find something in your mailbox this weekend?
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Post by: mariez on May 16, 2008, 01:50:41 pm
This was one of the replies by someone who obviously didn't think much of this film:

Shelter was the name of a beautiful surf video by Moonshine Experiment produced by Jack Johnson, Taylor Steele and Chris Malloy. I hate to see a movie like that robbed of its title by some attempt at an emotionally charged exploration film with surfing involved. Find the original Shelter clips on youtube and enjoy. If you like it find a copy in a local surf shop. We live in a time where we can share what we love and leave the large studios to push their crap down each other's throats so let's make use of it.

Mystery solved.

Yeah, I was "surfing" the net (sorry!  ;D) trying to find the meaning of the world "shelter" as it applies to surfing and I came across references to that movie.  But when I googled "surfing terms," etc. - I still couldn't find anything to explain how "shelter" relates to surfing.  I did find some surf shops that had the name "Shelter," so obviously there's some correlation, but exactly what?  Hmm.....

Marie
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 16, 2008, 03:42:13 pm
I would love to watch it again too, but my computer keeps crashing [I have to write fast, just in case it happens again now..] *grrrr* - this has been going on ever since last summer!

Anyway, SHELTER is on my Amazon.com pre-order list! Can't wait to watch it on normal screen and pristine quality!  ;D

Fabienne, on EEN (Flemish TV channel) there was just a live concert of Stan van Samang! I bet you know him! I had heard of him for the first time only a couple of days ago and dong, there is a concert on tv. This guy is cute and good! I love what he sings (he sings only(?) in English). I was thinking of SHELTER while listening to him. His music fits the movie, I think. It looks like he is a very humble guy and so talented!

Here is a picture I took (from the TV screen):

(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii229/_jUdE_W/StanVanSamang.jpg)

From YouTube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBNZDCz0TSw&feature=related

j. U. d. E.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 16, 2008, 04:13:26 pm
I would love to watch it again too, but my computer keeps crashing [I have to write fast, just in case it happens again now..] *grrrr* - this has been going on ever since last summer!

Anyway, SHELTER is on my Amazon.com pre-order list! Can't wait to watch it on normal screen and pristine quality!  ;D

Fabienne, on EEN (Flemish TV channel) there was just a live concert of Stan van Samang! I bet you know him! I had heard of him for the first time only a couple of days ago and dong, there is a concert on tv. This guy is cute and good! I love what he sings (he sings only(?) in English). I was thinking of SHELTER while listening to him. His music fits the movie, I think. It looks like he is a very humble guy and so talented!

j. U. d. E.

hey Jude,

sorry to hear about your computer problems >:(

And you have great taste in men! LOL Yeah, Stan is very talented. A good singer and a good actor. And not bad on the eyes either!

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/StanVanSamangKBL6.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: rdg64 on May 16, 2008, 04:43:50 pm
Howdy all.  A little internet bird told me this forum discusses this movie. Thanks to rightwhere_u_r's link, who I think is Snork here, I watched the movie a million times on the internet, and in processing and re-processing it, I am glad to have a place to post some thoughts. Also, I have found a lot of the reviews out there to be incredibly superficial, so that's another reason it's good to have a place like this! I skimmed the 26 pages of posts here, but please forgive me if I am redundant. These are the main themes of my thoughts:

The tragedy of Jeanne's life definitely clouds the happy ending of the film and makes me wonder why it is still considered a "feel good" movie. (I like the inclusion of her character, and am just saying how it effects my emotional reaction to the film.) She is going off with a man who is at least on some level abusive. She is leaving the only anchors she has, for something with hardly a remote chance of helping her life. She has lived in direct contrast to Zach's beauty, generosity, artistic gifts, ability to escape to the ocean, and now, a life with a respectful, giving partner. Looking to the future, her own options seem to be some kind of life with someone with no obviously redeeming qualities except the willingness to have her (but not the one she gave birth to) around. If she comes back from Oregon, where can she fit in to the family that is taking shape? Her character is done really well, I think, and adds a really interesting dimension to the film.

I wonder about Zach's decision to apply/go to art school being almost indistinguishable from his decision to be with Shaun.  What if he had not gotten in, could there still be a healthy coming out and possibility of making a relationship with Shaun? In the otherwise wonderful final walkie-talkie scene, I feel like the move to be together was completely couched in terms of school. I did love in this scene that Zach said, "can you help me?" -- thereby making his move to "take what he wants" in this world, and accept help in doing so. And while I know there does not have to be blatant language about resuming/confirming their relationship, I wish he had said something that told Shaun he was accepting his sexuality and their relationship.  Anyway, I loved the scene.

I like Shaun's character and wonder if he was kept purposefully a bit vague (what's the story of his breakup, how does he feel about falling in love with someone younger, etc.?) I love his equilibrium somehow, even though some critics have said he is too even-keeled! I love that he left a breakup and is coming back with two of his own new guys!  Aesthetically, I loved Zach's street and bedroom art, and the "ghetto" of San Pedro backdrop, and loved them in the ocean.  Okay, I haven't said much in the end, and now I am posting and running, but thanks for the Shelter topic here. I hope to be back!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on May 16, 2008, 04:55:29 pm
Howdy all.  A little internet bird told me this forum discusses this movie. Thanks to rightwhere_u_r's link, who I think is Snork here, I watched the movie a million times on the internet, and in processing and re-processing it, I am glad to have a place to post some thoughts. Also, I have found a lot of the reviews out there to be incredibly superficial, so that's another reason it's good to have a place like this! I skimmed the 26 pages of posts here, but please forgive me if I am redundant. These are the main themes of my thoughts:

The tragedy of Jeanne's life definitely clouds the happy ending of the film and makes me wonder why it is still considered a "feel good" movie. (I like the inclusion of her character, and am just saying how it effects my emotional reaction to the film.) She is going off with a man who is at least on some level abusive. She is leaving the only anchors she has, for something with hardly a remote chance of helping her life. She has lived in direct contrast to Zach's beauty, generosity, artistic gifts, ability to escape to the ocean, and now, a life with a respectful, giving partner. Looking to the future, her own options seem to be some kind of life with someone with no obviously redeeming qualities except the willingness to have her (but not the one she gave birth to) around. If she comes back from Oregon, where can she fit in to the family that is taking shape? Her character is done really well, I think, and adds a really interesting dimension to the film.

I wonder about Zach's decision to apply/go to art school being almost indistinguishable from his decision to be with Shaun.  What if he had not gotten in, could there still be a healthy coming out and possibility of making a relationship with Shaun? In the otherwise wonderful final walkie-talkie scene, I feel like the move to be together was completely couched in terms of school. I did love in this scene that Zach said, "can you help me?" -- thereby making his move to "take what he wants" in this world, and accept help in doing so. And while I know there does not have to be blatant language about resuming/confirming their relationship, I wish he had said something that told Shaun he was accepting his sexuality and their relationship.  Anyway, I loved the scene.

I like Shaun's character and wonder if he was kept purposefully a bit vague (what's the story of his breakup, how does he feel about falling in love with someone younger, etc.?) I love his equilibrium somehow, even though some critics have said he is too even-keeled! I love that he left a breakup and is coming back with two of his own new guys!  Aesthetically, I loved Zach's street and bedroom art, and the "ghetto" of San Pedro backdrop, and loved them in the ocean.  Okay, I haven't said much in the end, and now I am posting and running, but thanks for the Shelter topic here. I hope to be back!


Hey there! Welcome to Bettermost and to this thread! Yep, it's me, Snork but you can call me Mel!  ;D :D

Wonderful review!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 16, 2008, 05:23:47 pm
hey rd! Welcome to bettermost, pull up a log and stick a boot in the fire!

Thank you for your very nice post. I've been thinking about Jeanne too. She's gotten a lot of bad press 'How could she abandon her child like that'. But you're right, her story is tragic. I think she felt really trapped and didn't know how to 'take what she wants'. She had the bad luck to fall for guys who were/are the opposite of Shaun. I think it really stung when Zach told her 'Shaun's really great, he cares about Cody and me.' and 'We're gonna make it work'. The contrast with her own situation couldn't be greater.

I was also wondering about her 'homophobia' and the fact that during the last scene, she changed her mind pretty quickly about leaving Cody with Zach and Shaun. Maybe it has to do with the fact that she couldn't picture a gay family. After all she wanted Zach to meet some other girl after he had broken up with Tori. As if a straight Zach wouldn't abandon her and Cody but a gay Zach would.

Lots to think about.

I think the link between the school and the relationship is a very real one, but I would regard this more as a fact that Zach was coming out as a gay man but also as an artist, whether he got into CalArts or not.

I would loved to know more about Shaun's background too. As Gabe said things had been pretty rough for him. Although the devastated look on his face when Zach told him 'I'm done' spoke for itself. He looked so brokenhearted. But you have to give him credit for taking a chance with Zach so soon after his relationship ended.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 16, 2008, 05:25:41 pm

I wonder about Zach's decision to apply/go to art school being almost indistinguishable from his decision to be with Shaun.  What if he had not gotten in, could there still be a healthy coming out and possibility of making a relationship with Shaun?

I tend to think he felt like he had a good shot of getting because he had been accepted before, knew his worth. Very good question, did Zach need to have validation of being accepted to CalArts to feel worthy? Perhaps he was taking Shaun's advice and taking what he wanted and came back to him saying: you were right, about a lot of things.

I see the previews on their website and the quality is so much better than on the links I have been watching I am stoked to get the DVD.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 16, 2008, 05:30:10 pm
LOL
My thoughts: keep the men (they have more fun with each other than they'd ever have with me anyway ;D) - but I WANT THAT HOUSE!
Can you imagine to have THAT view from your bedroom? I'd turn the bed around - you bet.

I just keep imagining myself jumping in there between the two of them. David Nasty. It's a nice thought. lol



Howdy all.  A little internet bird told me this forum discusses this movie. Thanks to rightwhere_u_r's link, who I think is Snork here, I watched the movie a million times on the internet, and in processing and re-processing it, I am glad to have a place to post some thoughts. Also, I have found a lot of the reviews out there to be incredibly superficial, so that's another reason it's good to have a place like this! I skimmed the 26 pages of posts here, but please forgive me if I am redundant. These are the main themes of my thoughts:

The tragedy of Jeanne's life definitely clouds the happy ending of the film and makes me wonder why it is still considered a "feel good" movie. (I like the inclusion of her character, and am just saying how it effects my emotional reaction to the film.) She is going off with a man who is at least on some level abusive. She is leaving the only anchors she has, for something with hardly a remote chance of helping her life. She has lived in direct contrast to Zach's beauty, generosity, artistic gifts, ability to escape to the ocean, and now, a life with a respectful, giving partner. Looking to the future, her own options seem to be some kind of life with someone with no obviously redeeming qualities except the willingness to have her (but not the one she gave birth to) around. If she comes back from Oregon, where can she fit in to the family that is taking shape? Her character is done really well, I think, and adds a really interesting dimension to the film.

I wonder about Zach's decision to apply/go to art school being almost indistinguishable from his decision to be with Shaun.  What if he had not gotten in, could there still be a healthy coming out and possibility of making a relationship with Shaun? In the otherwise wonderful final walkie-talkie scene, I feel like the move to be together was completely couched in terms of school. I did love in this scene that Zach said, "can you help me?" -- thereby making his move to "take what he wants" in this world, and accept help in doing so. And while I know there does not have to be blatant language about resuming/confirming their relationship, I wish he had said something that told Shaun he was accepting his sexuality and their relationship.  Anyway, I loved the scene.

I like Shaun's character and wonder if he was kept purposefully a bit vague (what's the story of his breakup, how does he feel about falling in love with someone younger, etc.?) I love his equilibrium somehow, even though some critics have said he is too even-keeled! I love that he left a breakup and is coming back with two of his own new guys!  Aesthetically, I loved Zach's street and bedroom art, and the "ghetto" of San Pedro backdrop, and loved them in the ocean.  Okay, I haven't said much in the end, and now I am posting and running, but thanks for the Shelter topic here. I hope to be back!


Welcome to Bettermost RD!!! :D



Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mariez on May 16, 2008, 06:07:26 pm
The tragedy of Jeanne's life definitely clouds the happy ending of the film and makes me wonder why it is still considered a "feel good" movie. (I like the inclusion of her character, and am just saying how it effects my emotional reaction to the film.) She is going off with a man who is at least on some level abusive. She is leaving the only anchors she has, for something with hardly a remote chance of helping her life. She has lived in direct contrast to Zach's beauty, generosity, artistic gifts, ability to escape to the ocean, and now, a life with a respectful, giving partner. Looking to the future, her own options seem to be some kind of life with someone with no obviously redeeming qualities except the willingness to have her (but not the one she gave birth to) around. If she comes back from Oregon, where can she fit in to the family that is taking shape? Her character is done really well, I think, and adds a really interesting dimension to the film.

Let me add my welcome, rdg!  And my appreciation for your insightful thoughts. 

Yes, Jeanne is a sad figure, but perhaps seeing her younger brother finally making such positive changes in his own life, and having the courage to do so,will give her some food for thought about the decisions she has made, and continues to make in her own life.  I hope so.  Because, ultimately, Jeanne is the only one who can change Jeanne's life.  Her options may be somewhat limited by circumstance, but not completely.   She may not have been given Zach's artistic gifts, but I think she had the ability to do some different things and make some different choices. (For instance,  I can't see where anything stopped her from escaping to the ocean if she had chosen to).  And when I say that some people aren't meant to be parents, I'm not saying it as a criticism, but rather as a simple fact of life.  Some people aren't.  And I don't think her life necessarily has to be a tragedy - there's always hope. 

But your thoughtful comments about Jeanne, Zach's future, and Shaun's past makes me want a sequel!  Wouldn't it be great to meet up with all of them again a year from now?

Marie
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: rdg64 on May 16, 2008, 11:02:44 pm
pull up a log and stick a boot in the fire!

How many times have I contemplated that boot in the fire? How exactly did Jack get away with putting his put in the fire? Did the boys have fireproof boots? 

Thanks so much for the lovely welcomes.

mariez, you are absolutely right about Jeanne needing to change Jeanne's life. I am always subject to seeing characters bogged down by circumstance. I have always leaned away from seeing Ennis as as flawed an individual as some do, thinking more about his place and time and circumstance. But free will has got to figure in there, I know.

And yeah, a sequel -- I wish! I am always astounded at how authors/screenwriters find peace with telling their story, wherever they end it, leaving the rest of us (or me, at least) saying, "what about this??" and "what about that??" (But I will never forget Annie Proulx admitting in an interview that J & E stayed with her, against her will.)

What do you guys think of the characterization over most of the film of Zach and Shaun's relationship in terms that show more affection/comradery than a lot of sexual charge? I think that aside from Zach coming to understand his sexuality, he badly needed the friendship and company and warmth that Shaun offered. Did it sometimes seem impossibly calm and sweet? I guess the main thing we know about that aspect of their relationship (aside from everyone's favorite staircase, etc. part!!) is the couple of heavily-cuddly montages in the middle. I like those, but I want to know what they are saying!

In some of the reviews, they talk about Shaun (presumably because of his age, his experience) being in the mentor role, but actually one of the things I thought was interesting was how equal they seemed in their interactions (Zach was never portrayed like a naive kid; so much of his character being about having too much responsibility too soon, I guess, but Zach and Shaun also sounded equal in wit and intelligence and having found their identities as artists). Shaun definitely had expectations -- perhaps too high, at the beginning -- of Zach having the ability to figure out and come to terms with his own identity, on his own -- no heavy-handed coaching. I think that's what made the Japanese mentor joke at the beginning (before their first surfing date) and at the end (with the walkie talkies -- "did not see truth," etc.) kind of funny, because "student" was actually making his own way.

By the way, I think Netflix says DVD would be available there on May 27!

Bye again, thanks again for the opportunity & sweet welcome.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 17, 2008, 05:27:53 am
And you have great taste in men! LOL Yeah, Stan is very talented. A good singer and a good actor. And not bad on the eyes either!

*BIGGRIN* Oh yes!

[my computer problems persist, otherwise I would have replied earlier and more.. have to go now.]

Welcome to this board and thread RD!

j. U. d. E.


Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mariez on May 17, 2008, 11:13:16 am
I have always leaned away from seeing Ennis as as flawed an individual as some do, thinking more about his place and time and circumstance. But free will has got to figure in there, I know.

Hi again rdg!  Well, Ennis - and Jack! - are certainly flawed individuals.  I think AP was pretty deliberate about making sure they weren't idealized.  But I'm not sure I would compare Ennis with Jeanne - sad figures both - but I see them as polar opposites in almost every way.  I'm not sure Ennis had the foundation or support system to break out of his internal homophobia, but I do think Jeanne has the ability to break out of the cycle of bad choices she makes - she does have an emotional support system in Zach (and through him in Shaun) and Cody , if she chooses to see them as people to learn from and inspire her.  But it certainly will take an attitude adjustment on her part - and maybe we saw a glimmer of that at the end of the movie (or maybe that's wishful thinking on my part!).

I think that aside from Zach coming to understand his sexuality, he badly needed the friendship and company and warmth that Shaun offered.

Oh, I think this is an excellent point!  Zach and Shaun are similar in so many ways and you can see right away that they're compatible, even more so than Zach and Gabe.  Except for the class/money difference, they really don't have an "opposites attract" aspect to their relationship that you often see portrayed.  Both have a good sense of responsibility and common sense, both seem eager for a "family," neither one seem prone to melodrama, and I certainly wouldn't describe either of them as "high maintenance."   And, yeah, even though Shaun is older and more experienced, I can definitely see where Zach, in certain situations, would be able to offer guidance to Shaun.  A very nice balance.   

Marie
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 17, 2008, 01:04:13 pm
I wonder about Shaun's perspective, did his gaydar pick up on Zach? After the initial kiss and sleeping on the patio he wants to talk to him about it but Zach is having none of it, until he gets his nerve up and goes back. From then on Shaun is like "He dude come on out, the water is fine". He already knows the ups and downs of the process and seems ready to commit the required patience because he sees what he wants.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: oilgun on May 17, 2008, 01:08:08 pm
==CONTAINS SPOILERS==

I finally saw SHELTER last night as part of the InsideOut film fest here in Toronto.   I really enjoyed it even though it felt a bit like an after-school propaganda piece.   The story was very predictable (almost from the start i wondered how they were going to make the mother disappear.) and I was disappointed that the straight couple had to be portrayed so negatively in order to make the gay couple acceptable parents by comparison.   I mean only the most rabid homophobe would object to Cody going off to live with Zach & Shaun.  Why do they have to make everything so black & white and obvious?   Having said that, the adorable lead, Trevor Wright (who reminded me of Jake G) is a revelation and IMO elevates and saves the film. The theatre was packed and people loved it like mad! 
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 17, 2008, 01:17:56 pm
==CONTAINS SPOILERS==

I finally saw SHELTER last night as part of the InsideOut film fest here in Toronto.   I really enjoyed it even though it felt a bit like an after-school propaganda piece.   The story was very predictable (almost from the start i wondered how they were going to make the mother disappear.) and I was disappointed that the straight couple had to be portrayed so negatively in order to make the gay couple acceptable parents by comparison.   I mean only the most rabid homophobe would object to Cody going off to live with Zach & Shaun.  Why do they have to make everything so black & white and obvious?   Having said that, the adorable lead, Trevor Wright (who reminded me of Jake G) is a revelation and IMO elevates and saves the film. The theatre was packed and people loved it like mad! 

That puts me in mind of this dynamic I see going on in that Shaun's wealthy, enlightened family is cool with his and his orientation and Zach's poor family living in the "ghetto" (aka the other side of the bridge) are all ignorant, drunk and medicated single mother with a neglected son. Not always the case in RL, but you know I'm not a scene writer,  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 17, 2008, 02:15:17 pm
I mean only the most rabid homophobe would object to Cody going off to live with Zach & Shaun.  Why do they have to make everything so black & white and obvious?
   

Sigh. I know. But the movie means well--and there are a LOT of homophobes.


Having said that, the adorable lead, Trevor Wright (who reminded me of Jake G) is a revelation and IMO elevates and saves the film.


I second that!


The theatre was packed and people loved it like mad!

Yay!


 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 18, 2008, 04:46:40 am
Well, I think I'll be able to see this movie on Monday, thanks to Melissa. I can't wait to watch it!

I don't know what in the ding-dang-dingidy-dong I'm going to do between now and then. Hunker down and pray for daylight I guess.   :-\

I feel as if I'm experiencing withdrawal symptoms from this movie and I haven't even seen it yet!  :laugh: :laugh:

 >:( >:(

Oh sweetie! I'm so sorry it didn't arrive today!!!!  :'(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 18, 2008, 09:03:07 pm
Oh sweetie! I'm so sorry it didn't arrive today!!!!  :'(

I wonder where it is right now? It's probably sitting there at the post office. I'm tempted to go down there, sneak through a window and get it!  >:( >:(

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 18, 2008, 11:10:46 pm
I wonder where it is right now? It's probably sitting there at the post office. I'm tempted to go down there, sneak through a window and get it!  >:( >:(



ummm....should we start collecting money to bail you out of jail right now or should we wait for the call??
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 19, 2008, 12:26:59 am
ummm....should we start collecting money to bail you out of jail right now or should we wait for the call??

If it doesn't show up tomorrow, I really will creep in there probably.

I'll bet I could break into that post office if I tried hard enough. I'm a sneaky little shit. ;) :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mactwck on May 19, 2008, 02:28:43 am
I do have one small itty bitty complaint about the movie. Small itty bitty......

ZACH PLEASE PULL UP YOUR PANTS!!

It drives me crazy.  That is all. Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 19, 2008, 03:16:49 am
I do have one small itty bitty complaint about the movie. Small itty bitty......

ZACH PLEASE PULL UP YOUR PANTS!!


I think Shaun feels VERY differently about that....  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 19, 2008, 04:11:43 am
If it doesn't show up tomorrow, I really will creep in there probably.

I'll bet I could break into that post office if I tried hard enough. I'm a sneaky little shit. ;) :laugh:

oh sure you could sneak IN there...it is the getting OUT that is the trick!!

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 19, 2008, 05:31:32 am
Oh God, it's all MY FAULT!!!!!

Oh the DVD info is out, the extras:

A photo gallery, a trailer, a half-hour making-of featurette that aired on the here! network, a music video for Shane Mock's "Lie to Me," and a chummy commentary track by writer-director Jonah Markowitz and stars Trevor Wright and Brad Rowe. Wright's naiveté is adorable (he acknowledges the difficulty of acting and driving at the same time) and Rowe, who accuses Wright of having farted under the covers during one of their make-out sessions, shoots the shit as if he's made this movie a million times before.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hey where's that featurette, I want it!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 19, 2008, 07:39:02 am
That is so cool. I can't wait to see all the extra (an will probably wonder the rest of my life why Focus Features can't/couldn't do the same for BBM).

Now I am going to have to go back and see what Marie is talking about  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 19, 2008, 09:30:40 am
Oh the DVD info is out, the extras:
A photo gallery, a trailer, a half-hour making-of featurette that aired on the here! network, a music video for Shane Mock's "Lie to Me," and a chummy commentary track by writer-director Jonah Markowitz and stars Trevor Wright and Brad Rowe.

Order Date: April 29, 2008
Recipient: John Gallagher 
Items not yet shipped:
Delivery estimate: May 29, 2008 1 of: Shelter
Sold by: Amazon.com, LLC
My mood: Grrrrrr! WHY do I not have it???



Wright's naiveté is adorable (he acknowledges the difficulty of acting and driving at the same time)

(Swoons--fans face)


--and Rowe, who accuses Wright of having farted under the covers during one of their make-out sessions, shoots the shit as if he's made this movie a million times before.

(Shriek!)


Hey where's that featurette, I want it!

Uh--yeah!!!


That is so cool. I can't wait to see all the extra (an will probably wonder the rest of my life why Focus Features can't/couldn't do the same for BBM).

Sigh.


I do have one small itty bitty complaint about the movie. Small itty bitty......

ZACH PLEASE PULL UP YOUR PANTS!!

It drives me crazy.  That is all. Sorry for the rant.

Uhm--what???????



Anyway--keep the thread going till I get my DVD--I need my Shelter fix!

 ;D
John
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 19, 2008, 10:25:53 am
I know what you mean, JMMG, I want to be able to curle up in front of the TV, see a high deff. viewing of Zach and Shaun and not have to move a mouse to keep the window open, or click on another link, just enjoy it from begining to glorious end.

One of the things I like is that it is contained, it shows probably one season in their lives, who knows maybe even 17 days. Shows them making the right choice and moving forward with it.

What I am thinking now, some 2 + years after having seen Brokeback, is that part of its appeal is that is shows how a lot of relationships, if not a majority end up, lovers drifted apart, loss, coping with what ifs. Shelter just has the good part, the two guys ment to be together being together. Period. No arguments or infidelity or dissapointments, just that wonderful ending that I won't give away.  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 19, 2008, 10:27:17 am
Hang in there John.

I've posted this before, but if a fellow brokie needs a shelter fix, I'm happy to oblige.  :P  :)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/photo_03_hires.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 19, 2008, 11:06:14 am
I know what you mean, JMMG, I want to be able to curle up in front of the TV, see a high deff. viewing of Zach and Shaun and not have to move a mouse to keep the window open, or click on another link, just enjoy it from begining to glorious end.

One of the things I like is that it is contained, it shows probably one season in their lives, who knows maybe even 17 days. Shows them making the right choice and moving forward with it.

What I am thinking now, some 2 + years after having seen Brokeback, is that part of its appeal is that is shows how a lot of relationships, if not a majority end up, lovers drifted apart, loss, coping with what ifs. Shelter just has the good part, the two guys ment to be together being together. Period. No arguments or infidelity or dissapointments, just that wonderful ending that I won't give away.  ;)


Yup, I totally agree! Somebody on ennisjack said that she couldn't enjoy the movie as much because her heart will always belong to Ennis and Jack. I will always consider myself a Brokie, but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy a movie like Shelter that DOES give us the happy ending that E&J didn't have. It stands on its own.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 19, 2008, 11:46:51 am
Hang in there John.
I've posted this before, but if a fellow brokie needs a shelter fix, I'm happy to oblige.  :P  :)

Thanks!!!

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/27/arts/28shel600.jpg)

 ;)

xxxx
John
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 19, 2008, 02:07:13 pm
IT CAME!!!!

IT CAME!! IT CAME!!! IT CAME IT CAME IT CAME!!!!!

I'm going to watch it in a few minutes!!!

I'll let ya'll know what I thought of it! :D

Thanks Melissa!!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 19, 2008, 04:07:58 pm
IT CAME!!!!

IT CAME!! IT CAME!!! IT CAME IT CAME IT CAME!!!!!

I'm going to watch it in a few minutes!!!

I'll let ya'll know what I thought of it! :D

Thanks Melissa!!!

 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Where are you now in the movie?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 19, 2008, 04:18:13 pm
David has probably started watching the movie for the second time. He hasn't got time to tell us what he thinks!

Very understandable David!  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 19, 2008, 04:32:53 pm
Mmmmmmm..... that movie was SOOOOOOOO good!!! I'm going to watch it again, just as soon as I let Cody go out to potty! You are were right! This movie is excellent. I'll probably be watching it over and over again all night!! lol
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 19, 2008, 04:38:47 pm
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Where are you now in the movie?

Oh sorry about that! I had my Internet browser minimized when I was watching it, so I didn't see your message here, Melissa.

**************MINOR SPOILER!***************


You posted that question about 20 minutes ago, so I was probably watching the scene when Jeanne  was asking Zach (more like TELLING Zach) if Cody can stay with him when she moves to Oregon.



David has probably started watching the movie for the second time. He hasn't got time to tell us what he thinks!

Very understandable David!  :)

LOL

Yup. I'm going to watch it again in a quick minute! And then again after that probably! :D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 19, 2008, 05:38:13 pm
{{{{{{{DAVID}}}}}}
Welcome to the Shelter club!!!!

Your emails were so funny! Watch it again and again, OK? And don't be afraid to ask questions or start discussing the movie here!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mariez on May 19, 2008, 06:18:37 pm
David has probably started watching the movie for the second time. He hasn't got time to tell us what he thinks!

Very understandable David!  :)

 :laugh:   Yes, and luckily it's a fairly short movie, as movies go, so that makes it easier to watch again and again! 

Glad you've got the movie now, David. 

Marie
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Lynne on May 19, 2008, 07:26:39 pm
Shelter is at the top of my Netflix queue, but apparently I don't get it until May 27!  >:( ::) 8)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 19, 2008, 09:45:01 pm
Shelter is at the top of my Netflix queue, but apparently I don't get it until May 27!  >:( ::) 8)

Yes, I've ordered it too Lynne. I can't wait to watch it on the television! But to help me out between now and then, a little angel named Melissa mailed the movie to me all the way from Amsterdam!! :D

I've watched it three times already. I'll take a short break, brush my dog and cat, and then watch it again! :laugh:

God this movie is so good. I can't believe how good it is! :D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Lynne on May 19, 2008, 09:48:53 pm
A Melissa-angel, hunh?!  That sounds wonderful!  I am glad to know you are enjoying it so much, David!  I can't wait! :-)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 20, 2008, 03:02:16 am
Yes, I've ordered it too Lynne. I can't wait to watch it on the television! But to help me out between now and then, a little angel named Melissa mailed the movie to me all the way from Amsterdam!! :D

I've watched it three times already. I'll take a short break, brush my dog and cat, and then watch it again! :laugh:

God this movie is so good. I can't believe how good it is! :D




This makes me soooooooooooooo happy!!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 20, 2008, 06:38:47 am
Yes, I've ordered it too Lynne. I can't wait to watch it on the television! But to help me out between now and then, a little angel named Melissa mailed the movie to me all the way from Amsterdam!! :D

I've watched it three times already. I'll take a short break, brush my dog and cat, and then watch it again! :laugh:

God this movie is so good. I can't believe how good it is! :D



Obsesssssssed much?    :P

As long as you don't brush your break and take a short cat it's all good!  ;D

j. U. d. E.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 20, 2008, 07:16:38 am
Obsesssssssed much?    :P

As long as you don't brush your break and take a short cat it's all good!  ;D

j. U. d. E.


 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 20, 2008, 08:47:31 am
Okay here is a thought:

What was Zach's plan as for Cody? When he got accepted to CalArts he was already aware of Jeanne's plan to go with Alan to Oregon, and he goes to Shaun saying he needs help. He does not mention Cody but knows Shaun loves him, and then next hing you know they are showing up at the house. Saun is driving so obviously he is ready to pick Cody up and take them with them but it is like when did that conversation take place?

David, glad you got it! Braking into a P.O. is a federal offense you know! (And one I have pondered from time to time. )
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 20, 2008, 08:49:42 am
Okay here is a thought:

What was Zach's plan as for Cody? When he got accepted to CalArts he was already aware of Jeanne's plan to go with Alan to Oregon, and he goes to Shaun saying he needs help. He does not mention Cody but knows Shaun loves him, and then next hing you know they are showing up at the house. Saun is driving so obviously he is ready to pick Cody up and take them with them but it is like when did that conversation take place?

David, glad you got it! Braking into a P.O. is a federal offense you know! (And one I have pondered from time to time. )

that would be a big assumption for him to make without SOME word from Shaun....that Shaun understood they were a package deal...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 21, 2008, 02:27:53 am
that would be a big assumption for him to make without SOME word from Shaun....that Shaun understood they were a package deal...

I think Shaun knew this from early on. He did say he couldn't picture Jeanne as a mum, basically saying that Zach is Cody's parent. He also said he admired what Zach did for what he did for Cody.

And he let Shaun know he thought of them as a package deal when he asked Zach to bring Cody to dinner instead of staying at home.

I think Zach's 'Will you help me' also referred to Cody even if at that point Shaun didn't know Jeanne was moving to Oregon. Zach told Shaun that he couldn't leave Cody before to go to Calarts but he won't pass the scholarship again. So he needs to figure out a way to do this.

I understand that at some point between the making up in the garden scene and the scene at the house with Jeanne, they would have had to talk about the future. Maybe putting that scene in would have broken the rhythm of the scenes. Like they had decided in the making up scene and now they were ready for action in the confrontation scene.

The last scene on the beach clearly showed that everything had worked out the way they wanted.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 21, 2008, 02:42:08 am
Obsesssssssed much?    :P

As long as you don't brush your break and take a short cat  it's all good!  ;D

j. U. d. E.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well if I do, I'll just blame it on Melissa. She's the one who got me hooked on this movie! ;)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 21, 2008, 02:45:13 am
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well if I do, I'll just blame it on Melissa. She's the one who got me hooked on this movie! ;)



Yeah, she has a lot to answer for!  ;)

 :-*  :-* for Mel.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on May 21, 2008, 05:44:40 am
Yeah, she has a lot to answer for!  ;)

 :-*  :-* for Mel.


 :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 23, 2008, 04:07:18 am
hey guys!

David has seen the movie (how many times now sweetie?) so we can ask him some questions!

 ;D

Mel
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 23, 2008, 09:34:39 am
Yeah David, what do you think of the conflict betwixt public art vs. vandalism?  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: oilgun on May 23, 2008, 10:21:31 am
Yeah David, what do you think of the conflict betwixt public art vs. vandalism?  ;D

Has this been discussed already?  I haven't gone through the whole thread.  I'm as liberal as the next guy and probably more so, but I hate graffiti, especially the ridiculous tagging business.  I didn't feel bad at all when, at the end, Zach's mural is being painted over.  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 23, 2008, 11:30:15 am
I can see both sides, I really liked his mural, but you know if he had asked to paint it right there, it might have worked out better for all invoved.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 23, 2008, 02:58:37 pm
hey guys!

David has seen the movie (how many times now sweetie?) so we can ask him some questions!

 ;D

Mel

13 times.  :D

Ewww, that's an unlucky number. Maybe I should go watch it again!  :laugh:


Has this been discussed already?  I haven't gone through the whole thread.  I'm as liberal as the next guy and probably more so, but I hate graffiti, especially the ridiculous tagging business.  I didn't feel bad at all when, at the end, Zach's mural is being painted over.  :)

I can't help it. I felt really sorry for Zach when his mural was painted over. I thought it was sad. Some of those downtown buildings are sooooo ugly. Any splash of color at all is an improvement. I like it when people paint murals on those old ugly buildings, but yeah, it probably would have been better if he had asked first. And what's up with that "cat puke" brown color? Of all the colors to choose for a building!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: oilgun on May 23, 2008, 06:24:52 pm
I can see both sides, I really liked his mural, but you know if he had asked to paint it right there, it might have worked out better for all involved.

I liked his mural too,  but getting it painted over by whoever owns the wall it was painted on had to be expected.  I realize that graffiti can give an area a sense of urban bohemia and all that, but most are not exactly works of art, at least not in my neighbourhood. 
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 24, 2008, 11:59:20 am
Well, I guess we knew that Brad Rowe is gay friendly, but-- :o

 My Big Break with Brad Rowe
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9QimYAeO5A[/youtube]
Uhm--what is Brad doing, making--eggs??


My Big Break

with Wes Bentley, Chad Lindberg and Brad Rowe

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0999986/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0999986/)

"A desperate filmmaker with no stars, budget or crew resorts to filming his roommates and ends up with the only Hollywood success story caught on camera as it really happened."

"Because this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change; some data could be removed completely."

Or maybe a goof?

If it's real--seems like it might be fun!

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 24, 2008, 02:51:32 pm
Oh yeah, and there is Brad's link with Heath Ledger: he used to be Wes Bentley's roommate and Wes was one of Heath's best friends since they made Four Feathers....

*off to watch vid*  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 24, 2008, 04:27:31 pm

Oh well, OT, but I don't think anybody will mind:

(http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/fourfeathers-ledger-bentley.jpg)

Actor Wes Bentley has joined the band of Hollywood stars paying tribute to Heath Ledger after his tragic death last week.

The Brokeback Mountain star was found dead in his Manhattan apartment last week, with the cause of his unfortunate passing still to be established.

Family and friends recently held a memorial service for the 28-year-old actor and Hollywood greats have since paid tribute to the sad loss of a major acting talent.

American Beauty star Bentley, who co-starred with Ledger in 2002's Four Feathers, has described Ledger as "a vibrant man, a brave actor, a passionate father and a friend forever" in his public statement.

"Heath was an essential piece of my life," he wrote. "At one point we were as close as two people could get without being blood. That closeness came from sharing a similar, life-altering experience in life at a young age where very few could relate and those who could often were pre-occupied with competition."

Ledger had recently completed production as the Joker in Batman sequel The Dark Knight and had been in London filming Terry Gilliam's The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus before returning to New York City.

In a piece for Newsweek, Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan - the last person to complete a movie with the actor - talked of the passion that fuelled Ledger's career.

"He once told me that he liked to wait between jobs until he was creatively hungry. Until he needed it again," Nolan wrote. "He brought that attitude to our set every day. There aren't many actors who can make you feel ashamed of how often you complain about doing the best job in the world. Heath was one of them."

He went on: "I would visualise the screening where we'd have to show him the finished film - sitting three or four rows behind him, watching the movements of his head for clues to what he was thinking about what we'd done with all that he'd given us.

"Now that screening will never be real. I see him every day in my edit suite. I study his face, his voice. And I miss him terribly."


30/01/2008 11:57:59

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/wes%20bentley%20remembers%20heath%20ledger%20as%20a%20friend%20forever_1057895 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/wes%20bentley%20remembers%20heath%20ledger%20as%20a%20friend%20forever_1057895)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 25, 2008, 10:36:18 am
Hi guys!

When I posted this one-shot this morning, I couldn't get on bettermost, so I am posting this here now (just went to see Indiana Jones and it was amazing!)

Haha, I told myself I wouldn't write Shelter fanfic, well there you have it... LOL...

This one-shot is what might have happened after the break-up scene between Zach and Shaun in the car. It involves some internal dialogue and THE conversation between Shaun and Gabe we all thought was sadly missing from the movie, but that could never have been added because they story is from Zach's POV.

http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com/28290.html (http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com/28290.html)

Fabienne, I just friended you!  :-*

My lj is friendslocked, just leave me a message here or on one of the non-friendslocked entries on my lj:

http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com (http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com)

Hope you enjoy...

 ;D

Mel
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: violet_salt on May 25, 2008, 02:23:56 pm
Mel, I would love to read your story!

Could you please friend me on LJ?  violet_salt

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 25, 2008, 10:44:23 pm
Well, I guess we knew that Brad Rowe is gay friendly, but-- :o

 My Big Break with Brad Rowe
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9QimYAeO5A[/youtube]
Uhm--what is Brad doing, making--eggs??



Whoa Dude, I saw this and followed the links and it took a while to get my head around it but damn, this is going to be one amazing documentary, and then some.  I have got to meet Brad Rowe someday, I mean really.

Okay, so I came here to tell you I am so obsessed with this movie, that using the satellite feature of google maps I think Zach and Jeanne's house is at the corner of North Palos Verdes Street and West O'Farrell Street in San Pedro.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 25, 2008, 10:52:18 pm
Hey Mel, can you friend me as well, I would like to take a look.  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 26, 2008, 01:20:13 am

Okay, so I came here to tell you I am so obsessed with this movie, that using the satellite feature of google maps I think Zach and Jeanne's house is at the corner of North Palos Verdes Street and West O'Farrell Street in San Pedro.


Wow, I'm impressed.

ww.findingshelter.com maybe?  ;)

And maybe you know the answer to this question. How did Zach's sketchbook/portfolio end up at the beach house? Still haven't figured that out.  ???
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 26, 2008, 06:41:51 am
Hey Mel, can you friend me as well, I would like to take a look.  ;D

Hey! I just saw your friends request and I friended you!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on May 26, 2008, 06:42:25 am
Mel, I would love to read your story!

Could you please friend me on LJ?  violet_salt

Thank you!!!

I have added you!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 26, 2008, 07:47:05 am

And maybe you know the answer to this question. How did Zach's sketchbook/portfolio end up at the beach house? Still haven't figured that out.  ???

I can't figure that one out either, maybe he brought it with him, but why? He would have to have brought it with him that morning, which is understandable, he could have had it in the car, but how it got to the patio I don't know.  ???
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 26, 2008, 07:54:10 am
I, too, would love to add the list also, and read your story, Mel--  ::)

(but I don't even know how what to do even if befriended, duh--  :-\  )

I should be getting my Shelter DVD Thursday or Friday (with its extras!!)--can I wait, can I stand it???  :P

Oh well. In the meantime, it has been a GLORIOUS, sunny Memorial Day Weekend--

Cheers, all!   ;D

xxx
John

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 26, 2008, 08:00:10 am
I can't figure that one out either, maybe he brought it with him, but why? He would have to have brought it with him that morning, which is understandable, he could have had it in the car, but how it got to the patio I don't know.  ???


Editing! The Cutting Room Floor! More outtakes for us to see in The Criterion Deluxe Edition of  SHELTER!!

(Just kidding!  :laugh:  )
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 26, 2008, 08:12:02 am
And Monday looks like it will be too.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 26, 2008, 08:20:08 am
I, too, would love to add the list also, and read your story, Mel--  ::)

(but I don't even know how what to do even if befriended, duh--  :-\  )

I should be getting my Shelter DVD Thursday or Friday (with its extras!!)--can I wait, can I stand it???  :P

Oh well. In the meantime, it has been a GLORIOUS, sunny Memorial Day Weekend--

Cheers, all!   ;D

xxx
John




Hey John,

Do you have a livejournal? If yes, you can tell me what your lj name is and I will add you!

Hugs, Mel
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on May 26, 2008, 08:20:43 am

Editing! The Cutting Room Floor! More outtakes for us to see in The Criterion Deluxe Edition of  SHELTER!!

(Just kidding!  :laugh:  )


Yeeeeeeeeh how cool would that be huh?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 26, 2008, 08:34:40 am
Here is Brad Rowe in a 1999 ABC tv series Wasteland:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iew1p3FWOM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 26, 2008, 08:38:03 am
Truman posted this in his blog but I knew there were some other people that *ahem* MIGHT enjoy it here...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc23HMmT2m0[/youtube]

watch at :46 for Zach's smile....that just melts me...he has this very satisfied, 'this is what I want' look...love it. He isn't hesitant or afraid or torn...just happy...it's only there for a second but dang....
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 26, 2008, 09:58:52 am
Truman posted this in his blog but I knew there were some other people that *ahem* MIGHT enjoy it here...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc23HMmT2m0[/youtube]

watch at :46 for Zach's smile....that just melts me...he has this very satisfied, 'this is what I want' look...love it. He isn't hesitant or afraid or torn...just happy...it's only there for a second but dang....

Can't watch it, but you mean the little smile he gives Shaun before he kisses him? I love that, it shows so much for him to feel so comfortable, it's beautiful to see. And then the smile in the car...  :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 26, 2008, 10:03:15 am
....and the almost smile Shaun has when he turns around and sees Zach in the walkie talkie scene.  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 26, 2008, 10:10:16 am
I think that is what makes this such a great movie...the chemistry...you dont' have any feeling at any time that they are not completely Zach and Shaun and in love...no hesitation of awkwardness...

those little things make emotions seem more real..

 :) :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 26, 2008, 10:28:58 am
Can't watch it, but you mean the little smile he gives Shaun before he kisses him?

Well--not a kiss, no, not exactly--  ;)


I love that, it shows so much for him to feel so comfortable, it's beautiful to see.

That's for sure!!  :)


Ok, by the way, I'm now on livejournal as--what else?--jmmgallagher (Inventive I'm not, sigh.) Hope I can read your Shelter story!

Thanks,
John
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 26, 2008, 11:09:55 am
Well--not a kiss, no, not exactly--  ;)

Oh you mean THAT smile. LOL! I meant the one before the screen fades to black and you see them in the morning.  :D


Ok, by the way, I'm now on livejournal as--what else?--jmmgallagher (Inventive I'm not, sigh.) Hope I can read your Shelter story!


I will do that as soon as I get home, can't access my lj from work!

 :D


I think that is what makes this such a great movie...the chemistry...you dont' have any feeling at any time that they are not completely Zach and Shaun and in love...no hesitation of awkwardness...

those little things make emotions seem more real..

 :) :)

EXACTLY! It's so hard to create, this kind of chemistry, it's absolutely out of this world. I love seeing that in movies. Heath and Jake had it, and Brad and Trevor do as well!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 26, 2008, 11:42:53 am
Ok, here is a question:

After the bust up at the party, one of them goes surfing at that rocky place that Shaun calls his, that he took Zach to, is it Shaun or Zach?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Monika on May 26, 2008, 11:44:33 am
hi watched the movie about a week ago. Thought it was cute, decently acted and good-intentioned. Thought the story itself was pretty thin though, the emotionel depth of what they must have gone through never came across, I thought.
But on the whole, enjoyable.


just my 2 cents :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 26, 2008, 11:51:59 am
Yeah I felt like the emotional depth could have been deeper too, but chalked it up to the surf culture, not big on words.  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 26, 2008, 01:07:23 pm
Ok, here is a question:

After the bust up at the party, one of them goes surfing at that rocky place that Shaun calls his, that he took Zach to, is it Shaun or Zach?

I was wondering about that too!  :-\ Maybe as soon as somebody's DVD arrives we can ask that person to have a good look?

Gonna friend you now, John!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 26, 2008, 03:10:39 pm
Ok, here is a question:

After the bust up at the party, one of them goes surfing at that rocky place that Shaun calls his, that he took Zach to, is it Shaun or Zach?

It's Zach, I think.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 26, 2008, 07:39:09 pm
Gonna friend you now, John!

I've left my comments on your Gabe'n'Shaun page--thank you, Mel!  :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 26, 2008, 08:18:45 pm
Thought it was cute, decently acted and good-intentioned. Thought the story itself was pretty thin though, the emotionel depth of what they must have gone through never came across, I thought. But on the whole, enjoyable.

Fair enough, Buffymon--this is not my usual cup of tea, either! And you are quite right--the story is pretty thin--

Except--

I have to say--

I think that Trevor Wright as Zach, Brad Rowe as Shaun, and yes, even Tina Holmes as the downright unattractive Jeanne, were just so good--Trevor especially. No, strike that, brilliant (in re Trevor, and I have to stop thinking that he is Zach)!

I think that the story is so cliché-thin that, despite everything, the actors, the characters, the people, took over, and created a full emotional world that seems truthful, touching, and real.

Like you, I have no more than 2 cents in the pot and I threw them in, anyway.

Like the title of this thread, my feeling is: "Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!)"

Thanks for thinking enough about the story--and the characters--to comment!

 :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 27, 2008, 02:00:46 am
Fair enough, Buffymon--this is not my usual cup of tea, either! And you are quite right--the story is pretty thin--

Except--

I have to say--

I think that Trevor Wright as Zach, Brad Rowe as Shaun, and yes, even Tina Holmes as the downright unattractive Jeanne, were just so good--Trevor especially. No, strike that, brilliant (in re Trevor, and I have to stop thinking that he is Zach)!

I think that the story is so cliché-thin that, despite everything, the actors, the characters, the people, took over, and created a full emotional world that seems truthful, touching, and real.

Like you, I have no more than 2 cents in the pot and I threw them in, anyway.

Like the title of this thread, my feeling is: "Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!)"

Thanks for thinking enough about the story--and the characters--to comment!

 :)


Thanks for those wonderful two cents John!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 27, 2008, 08:53:07 am
Fair enough, Buffymon--this is not my usual cup of tea, either! And you are quite right--the story is pretty thin--

Except--

I have to say--

I think that Trevor Wright as Zach, Brad Rowe as Shaun, and yes, even Tina Holmes as the downright unattractive Jeanne, were just so good--Trevor especially. No, strike that, brilliant (in re Trevor, and I have to stop thinking that he is Zach)!

I think that the story is so cliché-thin that, despite everything, the actors, the characters, the people, took over, and created a full emotional world that seems truthful, touching, and real.

Like you, I have no more than 2 cents in the pot and I threw them in, anyway.

Like the title of this thread, my feeling is: "Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!)"

Thanks for thinking enough about the story--and the characters--to comment!

 :)



Wonderful, couldn't agree more. To be honest, the story is not cliche in my view, I have never in fact seen or read a story like it! And it worked so well because of the chemistry between the leads...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 27, 2008, 08:58:41 am
for me it was great in that the main 'problem' wasnt' that they were gay....being gay was just part of who they were. We need more movies like this...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 27, 2008, 09:33:34 am
for me it was great in that the main 'problem' wasnt' that they were gay....being gay was just part of who they were. We need more movies like this...

Totally agree! Zach's struggle was much more external than internal. He was shaken by the kiss, but it wasn't until Jeanne confronted him about Shaun in the shower that he started to worry about what had happened. Then after they made love, there really wasn't any struggle, the fact that he left so sudden almost seemed to be because he couldn't wait to start painting that mural! It was so cute....


Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 28, 2008, 08:18:01 am
Had an email this morning my DVD has been shipped!

I think that their being gay was no problem for anyone except Zach, and only because Jeanne made a big deal out of it, and because he was involved with his best friends brother. Once he got past his own fears they were safe in the valhalla of that mansion, until Gabe showed up and Zach cracked under the strain.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 28, 2008, 08:27:56 am
I like to hear other people's interpretations...I thought he was upset because he was with his best friends brother! LOL!!

I was thinking "If this was my best friend and I was in bed with HER older brother I sure wouldnt' want her to catch us!". I didn't see it as being as much about the gay thing as the best friend thing..although there WAS some of that in it.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 28, 2008, 08:28:27 am
and where the heck is MY email confirmation!!!??

 >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 28, 2008, 08:30:16 am

Had an email this morning my DVD has been shipped!

I got one too!  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 28, 2008, 08:31:12 am
I got one too!  ;D

WHAT!!

where did ya'll order ya'lls?? I ordered from Half.com....I shoulda gone with Amazon!!

 >:( >:(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 28, 2008, 08:32:00 am
and where the heck is MY email confirmation!!!?? >:( >:( >:(

Oops! Sorry! (Me--Amazon.) I hope you get it soon!  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 28, 2008, 08:36:28 am
Oops! Sorry! (Me--Amazon.) I hope you get it soon!  :)

dadburnit... :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 28, 2008, 08:52:14 am
I got mine from Amazon, I think it was $12.00.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 28, 2008, 08:57:19 am
My two copies have been shipped! Arrival date: 10 June!  :P
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 29, 2008, 12:03:43 am

 I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Oh boy!

(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)

 ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 29, 2008, 12:58:37 am
I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Oh boy!

(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)

 ;)


WHERE IS MINE!!!

*whine whine*

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 29, 2008, 01:21:55 am
I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Oh boy!

(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)

 ;)


I got mine today too! :D

But I haven't opened it up yet.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on May 29, 2008, 01:31:29 am
I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT, I GOT IT!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Oh boy!

(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)

 ;)


 :o

We wanna hear all about it!!

hmmm, wonder how long it will take to get my copy across the pond....

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 29, 2008, 03:36:20 am
I want to hear NOTHING about it! Honestly, I just decided that, I really want to see it for myself!!!!

 
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 29, 2008, 03:39:48 am
I want to hear NOTHING about it! Honestly, I just decided that, I really want to see it for myself!!!!

 

Shhh! Mum's the word ya'll. We won't talk about it sweetie!

Cross my heart and hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye. ;) :D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 29, 2008, 04:46:14 am
Ok, NO SPOILERS. Promise.

I can only tell you that:

Unlike on the Chinese site, the story in the DVD is not divided into five parts--

The lens is not thickly covered in vaseline, and--

Jeanne has not suddenly become gay-friendly.

 :laugh:

ALSO: during the audio commentary of the full-version--Trevor--we're now best friends, by the way--is cute as hell! (But you already knew that!)

I hope you all receive your packages soon!! This thread has been great fun--please post your thoughts when the quarantine/interdict has been lifted!!

 :)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 29, 2008, 05:16:51 am
Ok, NO SPOILERS. Promise.

I can only tell you that:

Unlike on the Chinese site, the story in the DVD is not divided into five parts--

The lens is not thickly covered in vaseline, and--

Jeanne has not suddenly become gay-friendly.

 :laugh:

ALSO: during the audio commentary of the full-version--Trevor--we're now best friends, by the way--is cute as hell! (But you already knew that!)

I hope you all receive your packages soon!! This thread has been great fun--please post your thoughts when the quarantine/interdict has been lifted!!

 :)



Shhh! Mum's the word ya'll. We won't talk about it sweetie!

Cross my heart and hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye. ;) :D



 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Which is hopefully soon! If I can get my DVD player to play US region DVDs....

 :P
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 29, 2008, 05:17:38 am


ALSO: during the audio commentary of the full-version--Trevor--we're now best friends, by the way--is cute as hell! (But you already knew that!)

 :)



Oh I bet he's really cute!  :D

Can't wait to listen to the commentary....
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 29, 2008, 08:00:52 am


(Sorry, now there's somebody I gotta go see in San Pedro...)

 ;)

You know how the laughing icon is often used, or people will type LOL, I really did bust out laughing when I read that.  :laugh: I hope I'll get my copy today.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 29, 2008, 08:02:42 am
Shhh! Mum's the word ya'll. We won't talk about it sweetie!

Cross my heart and hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye. ;) :D



OW!! don't stick a needle in your EYE!!  >:(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 29, 2008, 08:03:29 am
Ok, NO SPOILERS. Promise.

I can only tell you that:

Unlike on the Chinese site, the story in the DVD is not divided into five parts--

The lens is not thickly covered in vaseline, and--

Jeanne has not suddenly become gay-friendly.

 :laugh:

ALSO: during the audio commentary of the full-version--Trevor--we're now best friends, by the way--is cute as hell! (But you already knew that!)

I hope you all receive your packages soon!! This thread has been great fun--please post your thoughts when the quarantine/interdict has been lifted!!

 :)



oh my God!!! You and Trevor are on a first name basis now??!!

 :o :o
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: oilgun on May 29, 2008, 03:46:23 pm
I just noticed that SHELTER is rated R by the MPAA!?  That is completely ridiculous, isn't it?  It seems to me that teens would love this movie, it's obviously directed at a young crowd.  But then again, BUT I"M A CHEERLEADER, another gay teen film, was intially rated NC-17 and ended up with an R after an "offending" fully clothed female masturbation scene was cut.  Most American R-rated films are 14A  here in Canada.  How is it that the country that makes the best porn can be so uptight about sex in movies?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lynne on May 29, 2008, 03:54:33 pm
Netflix now says SHORT WAIT  >:( >:(.

I am just going to buy it.  Geez.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lynne on May 29, 2008, 03:56:32 pm
I just noticed that SHELTER is rated R by the MPAA!?  That is completely ridiculous, isn't it?  It seems to me that teens would love this movie, it's obviously directed at a young crowd.  But then again, BUT I"M A CHEERLEADER, another gay teen film, was intially rated NC-17 and ended up with an R after an "offending" fully clothed female masturbation scene was cut.  Most American R-rated films are 14A  here in Canada.  How is it that the country that makes the best porn can be so uptight about sex in movies?

Yes, it is.  MPAA in general, still haven't seen SHELTER.  >:(.

Oilgun, did you see that we joined BetterMost about the same time?  Cool, huh?  First week of March.  :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: oilgun on May 29, 2008, 04:37:29 pm
Yes, it is.  MPAA in general, still haven't seen SHELTER.  >:(.

Oilgun, did you see that we joined BetterMost about the same time?  Cool, huh?  First week of March.   :D

That IS cool!  You've been way more active than me though.
As for SHELTER, although a very sweet film it only rates 53% on Rotten Tomatoes. (for what it's worth)  I think the film's weaknesses, like the movie-of-the-week type plot, are overshadowed by excellent multi-dimensional performances and the wonderful chemistry between the two leads.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on May 29, 2008, 05:09:01 pm
That IS cool!  You've been way more active than me though.
As for SHELTER, although a very sweet film it only rates 53% on Rotten Tomatoes. (for what it's worth)  I think the film's weaknesses, like the movie-of-the-week type plot, are overshadowed by excellent multi-dimensional performances and the wonderful chemistry between the two leads.


Well-said!  :-*

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 29, 2008, 06:56:03 pm
Certainly it has some weeknesses, but considering it was short in a very short period of time on a rediculasly small budget, I think it is amazing.

The main weekness I have now is waiting (still) for my copy.

Lynne, I am thinking of you tonight, meeting C.J. Cox of Latter Days! You go gurl!  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lynne on May 29, 2008, 07:04:10 pm
Certainly it has some weeknesses, but considering it was short in a very short period of time on a rediculasly small budget, I think it is amazing.

The main weekness I have now is waiting (still) for my copy.

Lynne, I am thinking of you tonight, meeting C.J. Cox of Latter Days! You go gurl!  ;D

Yippee!! That's right...leaving work in about an hour to make it to the theatre by 7!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 30, 2008, 12:01:22 am
Certainly it has some weeknesses, but considering it was short in a very short period of time on a rediculasly small budget, I think it is amazing.

The main weekness I have now is waiting (still) for my copy.

Lynne, I am thinking of you tonight, meeting C.J. Cox of Latter Days! You go gurl!  ;D

I GOT MINE!!!!!!!


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 30, 2008, 12:35:41 am
I GOT MINE!!!!!!!


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

YAY!!!!! :D

Does everyone have their Shelter DVDs now? :)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 30, 2008, 12:39:40 am
Quite frankly I'm very disgusted the stores aren't selling this DVD on their shelves. Instead we must secretly order the DVD over the Internet as to "not offend anyone". There isn't ANYTHING offensive in the movie at all. And I don't buy this "the movie wasn't big enough to warrant sales in our stores" bullshit excuse. These stores all sell the crappiest movies ever made. They just don't want to sell it because it's....oh my... a movie about homosexuals. >:(

Sorry for the rant everyone. :D

 
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 30, 2008, 12:41:37 am
Quite frankly I'm very disgusted the stores aren't selling this DVD on their shelves. Instead we must secretly order the DVD over the Internet as to "not offend anyone". There isn't ANYTHING offensive in the movie at all. And I don't buy this "the movie wasn't big enough to warrant sales in our stores" bullshit excuse. These stores all sell the crappiest movies ever made. They just don't want to sell it because it's....oh my... a movie about homosexuals. >:(

Sorry for the rant everyone. :D

 

I dont' understand the R rating....there isn't anything really in this movie...maybe a pg13...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on May 30, 2008, 12:43:47 am
I dont' understand the R rating....there isn't anything really in this movie...maybe a pg13...

More like PG. Period. Do they even use that rating anymore?

Again, it's because of the "homosexual element". Of course it is! What else could it be?

It really pisses me off, to be perfectly honest with you. But hey! At least we have our DVDs now! :D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 30, 2008, 12:53:43 am
well they were in their underwear and did have that scene where they were on the stairs ripping their clothes off....and that scene where Zach was in the shower and you could tell he is naked..
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 30, 2008, 08:11:12 am
Yeah I don't get the R rating also, I think it is uncalled for.

As for the stores, many still have Brokeback on the shelves, I think it has a lot to do with it being a low budget, below the radar film. There are a lot of good films that never make the shelves, and if it wern't for the internet no one would ever hear of them.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 31, 2008, 12:58:50 pm
I got mine, I got mine, I got mine, I got mine.

Wow, Zach's bicept has  "Lucky 3" taattooed on it, him Shaun and Cody!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on May 31, 2008, 01:54:59 pm
I got mine, I got mine, I got mine, I got mine. Wow, Zach's bicept has  "Lucky 3" taattooed on it, him Shaun and Cody!

Funny the details you can see on the DVD, now that the vaseline has been scraped off the lens!

Watch closely through the frosted shower door during the conversation between the mean-spirited (and shrewd!) Jeanne and the guilty Zach. This is NOT a spoiler. I'm just sayin.'   ::)

(You wouldn't have noticed that watching the Chinese video site--and a little help with the DVD 'Commentary' track, heh-heh!)

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 31, 2008, 02:36:30 pm
I will be looking for that. I just paused it to post when Tori brushes off Zach at the grocery store parking lot, she has no tags on her car.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 31, 2008, 03:14:29 pm
The grocery store is McCowan's Market, IGA, 1932 South Walker Avenue, San Pedro, California.  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on May 31, 2008, 03:28:03 pm
I loved Shelter!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 31, 2008, 03:33:14 pm
I got mine, I got mine, I got mine, I got mine.

Wow, Zach's bicept has  "Lucky 3" taattooed on it, him Shaun and Cody!

Noticed that too and I haven't even got the DVD yet!  ;D :D

Do they say anything about their tattoos in the commentary?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 31, 2008, 04:36:36 pm
I have not been able to see it on TV yet, I am at work and saw it on the pc. Can't wait to get home and see the comentary. Can't wait until you get your copy too snork.

JMMG, I looked, I may have to go back and look again.  ;)

And I had always thought those were rectangular rocks Zach and Tori were sitting on, they are bales of hay!

I can see now subtle expressions that add a bit more, like when Zach tells Shaun he had previously been accepted to CalArts, there i this gleems of recognition like "oh, now I understand better where your coming from".
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on May 31, 2008, 04:40:03 pm
Oh yeah I was wondering about that talk with Tori. Zach says "They took me back." and later he says to Shaun that he had never told anybody that he had turned down the scholarship. Now, "They took me back." would mean that they gave him another chance, right?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on May 31, 2008, 04:47:44 pm
Oh yeah I was wondering about that talk with Tori. Zach says "They took me back." and later he says to Shaun that he had never told anybody that he had turned down the scholarship. Now, "They took me back." would mean that they gave him another chance, right?

Yes, there is a bit of disconnect there, if he had never told anyone Tori would not know that he had been accepted before.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on May 31, 2008, 10:38:30 pm
Oh yeah I was wondering about that talk with Tori. Zach says "They took me back." and later he says to Shaun that he had never told anybody that he had turned down the scholarship. Now, "They took me back." would mean that they gave him another chance, right?

maybe he was thinking of his family....I do that sometimes...(as if my family is the whole world...somehow telling a friend doesnt' count!  :laugh: )
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 01, 2008, 12:13:47 pm
The Pacific Diner where Zach worked: 3821 S Pacific Ave, San Pedro, CA

http://www.latimemachines.com/new_page_26.htm
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 01, 2008, 12:19:27 pm
I amw atching the movie now with the commentary on, Brad Rowe says: "I give great head." and the non pulsed  it is like....... :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 01, 2008, 12:24:21 pm
I have not been able to find out anything abotu Trevors Wright's age, he says in the commentary he is 22, that when they filmed the movie, esp. the part where Shawn is inviting him over to have strong margaritas , he was not actually old enough to drink.

Now, that would make Brad Rowe 16 years older than Treavor Wright.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 01, 2008, 12:36:50 pm
I amw atching the movie now with the commentary on, Brad Rowe says: "I give great head." and the non pulsed  it is like....... :D

huh?? when did he say that??!! I didn't hear that !
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 01, 2008, 12:48:43 pm
It is in the commentary, when they are watching him move down Zach's body and disapears from view.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 01, 2008, 12:49:31 pm
They also bring up that Shaun's last name is Andrews, but it is never used.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 01, 2008, 02:36:15 pm

The Pacific Diner where Zach worked: 3821 S Pacific Ave, San Pedro, CA
(http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18023.0;attach=19909;image)

Now you can see Gabe peering in the window before he walks in--great image, and great sleuthing! Thanks so much!!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 01, 2008, 02:43:00 pm
I have not been able to find out anything abotu Trevors Wright's age, he says in the commentary he is 22, that when they filmed the movie, esp. the part where Shawn is inviting him over to have strong margaritas , he was not actually old enough to drink.

Now, that would make Brad Rowe 16 years older than Treavor Wright.


Whhhhhooooooaaaaaaaa! That's a BIG age difference! I bet the movie wouldn't have meant it to be that big, I bet it's 10 years. Somebody on ennisjack (I think it was Cassie) said that she thinks they are step brothers, she thinks that because of the age difference and because Shaun keeps correcting Zach "Stepdad".

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 02, 2008, 12:37:09 pm
There is also this thing in the opening sequence when Zach is on his skate board, he is crossing a pedestrian bridge and there is a hand painted sign that is facing the other way. It looks like it reads "Happy" but in reverse it looks like the word "Faggot".
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 03, 2008, 02:30:23 pm
Guys! I got my DVD!!!!!

Now I just need to get it to work....

*back soon*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 03, 2008, 03:49:33 pm
YIPPY I AM KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED !!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 03, 2008, 03:54:12 pm
Guys! I got my DVD!!!!!

Now I just need to get it to work....

*back soon*

Bravo!!

And take notes please, I think I'm going to need help cracking that region code thingy...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on June 03, 2008, 06:50:16 pm
Guys! I got my DVD!!!!!

Now I just need to get it to work....

*back soon*

YAY!!!

I'm glad you finally got your DVD. Did you figure out a work-around so you can watch it? I'm guessing you did since you've already told me about it in an email! ;) :laugh:

:) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 04, 2008, 03:46:31 am
Hey!

I got it to work on my laptop, but not on my DVD player which is probably dead. We were planning on buying a new one anyway!

The commentary track is ABSOLUTELY AWESOME! I could listen to those guys all day! I loooooove Trevor and Brad's voices.... (especially Brad...)  :P



Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 04, 2008, 07:53:19 am
Did you hear that part where the actor who played Cody witnesses them kissing in on e scene and he asked Treavor Wright "what did you do that?" He is going to see this movie in 10 years and go OMG!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 04, 2008, 09:27:22 am
Did you hear that part where the actor who played Cody witnesses them kissing in on e scene and he asked Treavor Wright "what did you do that?" He is going to see this movie in 10 years and go OMG!

 :laugh:

"Why did you kiss?" It's so funny that he's in the movie and has no clue what it's about...

I loved everything about the commentary, but I am going to finish it tonight and then post my ultimate favorites!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 04, 2008, 09:52:28 am
Oh yeah, the scene at the beach with Tori, Cody, Zach & Shaun, the commentary is hilarious here about the wetsuit that Brad is wearing! Did you all hear this, I was laughing out loud!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 04, 2008, 10:33:15 am


(Re: the commentary--)

Seems Brad is NOT a surfer!! Hah!

Well, that's ONE thing we have in common--

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 04, 2008, 10:57:59 am

(Re: the commentary--)

Seems Brad is NOT a surfer!! Hah!

Well, that's ONE thing we have in common--

 :laugh:

I knew that before I saw the movie and thought it was so funny in the commentary that they mention that Shaun is supposed to be the better surfer, but you never actually see him surf! LOL

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 05, 2008, 12:40:58 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter1.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter5.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter6.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 05, 2008, 12:41:58 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter7ring.jpg)

this is the best shot I could get of the necklace Zach was wearing, Truman.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 05, 2008, 12:42:55 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter3.jpg)


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter4.jpg)



what??
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 05, 2008, 01:16:37 am


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter4.jpg)



what??

That's a good picture of the necklace too Jess!  ;)  :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on June 05, 2008, 01:18:08 am
That's a good picture of the necklace too Jess!  ;)  :P  :laugh:

well I tried...I know how much Truman wanted to see it..(the necklace, I mean) it was a tough job but I felt someone needed to do it... ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on June 05, 2008, 03:16:22 am
well I tried...I know how much Truman wanted to see it..(the necklace, I mean) it was a tough job but I felt someone needed to do it... ;D ;D ;)

Are these DVD screenshots or from the internet avi file? I was a bit shocked by the poor quality of the movie on DVD, I expected it to be a lot higher resolution! But it's made for TV, maybe that's why!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on June 05, 2008, 04:12:03 am
Are these DVD screenshots or from the internet avi file? I was a bit shocked by the poor quality of the movie on DVD, I expected it to be a lot higher resolution! But it's made for TV, maybe that's why!

Well, high definition it ain't. >:(

But I wouldn't know. I haven't watched mine yet. :(  :laugh:



Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on June 05, 2008, 07:44:04 am
Are these DVD screenshots or from the internet avi file? I was a bit shocked by the poor quality of the movie on DVD, I expected it to be a lot higher resolution! But it's made for TV, maybe that's why!

DVD and yeah I figured it would be a LOT clearer too.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 05, 2008, 10:14:55 am
well I tried...I know how much Truman wanted to see it..(the necklace, I mean) it was a tough job but I felt someone needed to do it... ;D ;D ;)

Thank kew so much Jess, that shows the necklace so clearly, he wears it in the shower, but not in bed.....
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 05, 2008, 10:16:35 am
I think the quality goes a lot to the low budget it was shot on. I am still amazed. Makes me think "hell I can make a movie...not".  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 05, 2008, 01:28:23 pm
Today, Class, since this is The Culture Tent,
we will now discuss the comparisons between the ecstasy of Trevor Wright in the gay surfer movie, Shelter--


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter7ring.jpg)



and--


the Ecstasy (or the Transverberation) of St Teresa by Giovanni Lorenzo Bernini--

(http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Reln482/Bernini-Teresa.jpg)



So--can anyone here able make the connection??



(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter7ring.jpg)

(http://www.joyofsects.com/art/teresa.jpg)



(I don't know about you, but Trevor Wright Transverberates me!)

Next, we will discuss the comparisons with Brad Rowe and the Angel with the Blazing Arrow.

I love Art!


 :laugh:

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 05, 2008, 01:34:27 pm
Next, we will discuss the comparisons with Brad Rowe and the Angel with the Blazing Sword.

I love Art!


 :laugh:



Damn JMMG, you are good! I thought maybe that thing around his neck might be a St. Teresa metal, if there is such a thing.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 05, 2008, 01:38:13 pm

Thank you, but I just love pure Art.

(Evil, evil grin!)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 05, 2008, 04:55:13 pm
You guys are so funny! ;D :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 05, 2008, 05:45:33 pm
Hey, we are serious Art Dudes!

Look again at the figure of the Angel with the Flaming Arrow in the Bernini grouping, and compare the relationships between the Angel, the Arrow, and St. Teresa--


(http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Reln482/Bernini-Teresa.jpg)


with the linear, angular and vectoral relationships between Brad, his, uh, hand, and St.--I mean, Trevor:


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter1.jpg)


(Never mind Brad's Angelic smile--and the eyes!)
It's not coincidence, it's Art, I tell you!


 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 05, 2008, 06:40:17 pm
Great themes repeating in different time and different media,  :)

See the quote in my sig line below.  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 05, 2008, 09:45:28 pm
Beautiful.

So now--

Shaun (Brad Rowe) and Zach (Trevor Wright)

of

Shelter

and

Henri Matisse

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter2.jpg)

(http://www.portfolio.com/images/feeds/blogs/matisse.lot24.reclining.25758498_Ad.jpg)
Henri Matisse, L’Odalisque, Harmonie Bleue, 1937

(http://mocoloco.com/art/archives/matisse_still_tablecloth_se.jpg)
Henri Matisse, Still Life with Tablecloth, 1909

(http://z.about.com/d/arthistory/1/7/t/S/mfp_mma_19.jpg)
Henri Matisse, Pansies, 1918

(http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Arts/Art/2007/03/15/art_MatisseStillLife_400.jpg)
Henri Matisse, Still Life, Bouquet of Dahlias and White Book, 1923

(http://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/orangerie/images/46_389.jpg)
Henri Matisse, Odalisque in Red Trousers, 1924-1925

(http://www.bbk.ac.uk/news/bbkmag/images/matisse.gif)
Matisse drawing an odalisque, Nice, 1928

(http://www.nga.gov.au/International/Catalogue/Images/LRG/75935.jpg)
Henri Matisse, Rape of Europa, 1929

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter2.jpg)
"For a fraction of a second in time you will feel a continuity with all of life which has gone before you and all to follow. For all eternity, you will have become a pilgrim."  --Susan L. Adkins



(Who'da thunk that pillows could be so--artistic???)

 ;)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on June 05, 2008, 10:49:15 pm
(http://www.nga.gov.au/International/Catalogue/Images/LRG/75935.jpg)
Henri Matisse, Rape of Europa, 1929



Question: What is that woman doing with a bull in her bed?  :laugh:  :laugh:

 :-\  :-\
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 05, 2008, 10:56:30 pm

David had asked something like "How did a bull get into her bed?"
(http://www.nga.gov.au/International/Catalogue/Images/LRG/75935.jpg)
Henri Matisse, Rape of Europa, 1929

And I said:
Like this???


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/Belbbmfan/photo_03_hires.jpg)


This is what happens after that!!


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter6.jpg)


Or vice versa...!


(Tell all the Fundamentalists Matisse did it--he was to blame!)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 05, 2008, 11:17:30 pm
I think we need more screen caps to explore this idea further!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 05, 2008, 11:24:05 pm
I think we need more screen caps to explore this idea further!
 ;D ;D

Vital!

(That, and Jansen's History of Art! Ha!)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 12:55:34 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelteryouafag.jpg)

this is at the beach party....just as the guy asks Zach if he is a 'f**'

Zach turns and looks at Shaun....yeah, he knew Shaun was gay... :)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelterwhywouldhetellyou.jpg)

this is right after Zach told Shaun he had read his book and Shaun said he was surprised Gabe never mentioned it.  I think Shaun has told Gabe about his thing for Zach and was wondering why Gabe had not told him...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 12:56:07 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter9.jpg)





what??!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 12:58:00 am
smooching:

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter8.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter17.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter10.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter11.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 01:01:57 am
huggin':

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter13.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter15.jpg)


holding hands:'

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter18.jpg)

and other stuff... 8) :

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter12.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter16.jpg)

 ;D ;D

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter14.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 06, 2008, 01:14:57 am

with the linear, angular and vectoral relationships between

 ;D


Who'd 've thought we'd be discussing linear, angular and vectoral relationships after watching 'a gay sufer movie'  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 06, 2008, 01:17:43 am
Jess, what can I say? GREAT pictures!!!!

And I LOVE the fact that you've given them a nice red (yes! RED  ;)) border.  :-*

Keep 'em coming! smooching, holding hands, talking, all of it.  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on June 06, 2008, 01:18:06 am

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter15.jpg)



Oh God, there's that hug!! I  absolutely LOVE that hug. It was so sweet. I think it's probably my very favorite scene in the entire movie. :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 01:30:26 am
Oh God, there's that hug!! I  absolutely LOVE that hug. It was so sweet. I think it's probably my very favorite scene in the entire movie. :-*

this is MY favorite:

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter2.jpg)

I LOVE that Shaun has slept right there next to him all night...not asking or demanding anything, just there to watch over him...wanting/needing to be as close as he dared to be. I loved the way Shaun touched Zach's shirt just before he kissed him the night before...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 01:33:58 am
Jess, what can I say? GREAT pictures!!!!

And I LOVE the fact that you've given them a nice red (yes! RED  ;)) border.  :-*

Keep 'em coming! smooching, holding hands, talking, all of it.  :)

why thank you! I will see what I can do fer ya!  ;) ;)

Loving the 'snip tool'!!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on June 06, 2008, 01:42:23 am
this is MY favorite:

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter2.jpg)

I LOVE that Shaun has slept right there next to him all night...not asking or demanding anything, just there to watch over him...wanting/needing to be as close as he dared to be. I loved the way Shaun touched Zach's shirt just before he kissed him the night before...

Oh I know! There are soooo many Jack and Ennis parallels in this movie. It's kind of the same, and yet different.

That screenshot is so cute and sweet. :D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 01:48:50 am
Oh I know! There are soooo many Jack and Ennis parallels in this movie. It's kind of the same, and yet different.

That screenshot is so cute and sweet. :D



yep there is even a "shirt" story....you know when Gabe busts in on them and Zach sneaks out with Shaun's SHIRT on?? and Gabe comes to his work and says "Nice shirt!" (cause he KNOWS!  :o ;) )
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on June 06, 2008, 02:48:51 am
yep there is even a "shirt" story....you know when Gabe busts in on them and Zach sneaks out with Shaun's SHIRT on?? and Gabe comes to his work and says "Nice shirt!" (cause he KNOWS!  :o ;) )

I never thought about that Jess! Thanks for pointing it out. And it's so true too! :D

I swear to God, if I didn't have a boyfriend right about now I'd be stalking Shaun's ass. Well, both of them probably. And Gabe too, have mercy. ESPECIALLY GABE!!  But nobody here heard me say that, okay? ;)  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 06, 2008, 04:50:28 am
Hey, we are serious Art Dudes!

Look again at the figure of the Angel with the Flaming Arrow in the Bernini grouping, and compare the relationships between the Angel, the Arrow, and St. Teresa--


(http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Reln482/Bernini-Teresa.jpg)


with the linear, angular and vectoral relationships between Brad, his, uh, hand, and St.--I mean, Trevor:


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter1.jpg)


(Never mind Brad's Angelic smile--and the eyes!)
It's not coincidence, it's Art, I tell you!


 ;D


Oh My God! That's genius, both this and the first one! How did you find that out?

 :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 06, 2008, 04:56:17 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter11.jpg)

*Mel picks herself off the floor*

This is my favorite part of the love scene, the little smile, thanks for this screencap!!!!!  :-* :-* :-*


Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on June 06, 2008, 04:59:13 am
Who'd 've thought we'd be discussing linear, angular and vectoral relationships after watching 'a gay sufer movie'  ::)  ;D

Only Brokies who are used to dissecting a movie to bits are able to do things like that....

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 06, 2008, 05:03:08 am
this is MY favorite:

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter2.jpg)

I LOVE that Shaun has slept right there next to him all night...not asking or demanding anything, just there to watch over him...wanting/needing to be as close as he dared to be. I loved the way Shaun touched Zach's shirt just before he kissed him the night before...

And look at how Shaun has all the pillows and Zach only one tiny one!  >:( Share, Shaun!  ;) ;D

I loved this scene too, and it was supposed to be longer they said in the commentary!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 06, 2008, 08:05:15 am
I love this scene, for the fist time it is Shaun who is skiddish about public display, and Zach takes matters into his own hands.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 06, 2008, 09:49:11 am
I love this scene, for the fist time it is Shaun who is skiddish about public display, and Zach takes matters into his own hands.

and I like how (for me) it shows the best of any relationship...up to this point Shaun has been (for lack of the words to explain) in control...the experienced, sure one...

and here Zach is the one confident and in control....

I started to say the best of a GAY relationship but truthfully it is a sign of a good relationship when each partner feels that it is ok to be in control...and ok to NOT feel confident...it is ok to step back and let your partner take care of things.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 08, 2008, 04:13:33 pm
Any more art classes for us?  :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 08, 2008, 04:22:11 pm
I love this scene, for the fist time it is Shaun who is skiddish about public display, and Zach takes matters into his own hands.

I think it was more that Shaun didn't feel comfortable to get involved in a family situation between Zach and his sister. I feel he wanted to give Zach space to deal with Jeanne, a family thing.

But I loved it that Zach so confidently went back to get Shaun, take his hand and face Jeanne. He really was telling everyone that Shaun was now part of his family too!

*swoons*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 08, 2008, 07:36:15 pm
Any more art classes for us?  :D

Ha!

Shelter and Picasso

I like this juxtaposition--I like the heads, I really like the sheets,
and we can pretend that the hatching is really tattoos!

(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00178/picasso_178058t.jpg)

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter11.jpg)

And look at the caption--it really fits!!

"The sexually charged Picasso piece shows the artist and his lover Louise Lenoir, known as Odette, who is thought to have been Picasso's first girlfriend in Paris. It was thought to have been painted in 1901 or 1902 when Picasso was a struggling artist in his 20s."

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/arts/embracing-art-passionate-picasso-clinch-under-the-hammer-1343360.html (http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/arts/embracing-art-passionate-picasso-clinch-under-the-hammer-1343360.html)

(http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/08/04/01_picasso_lg.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 08, 2008, 08:07:25 pm
I don't know about Fine Art, but--

how about this??

Shelter and Banksy

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter5.jpg)

(http://www.theworldsbestever.com/kissing_coppers.jpg)
Banksy, the Bristol-and-London subversive stencil graffiti artist
(heads up, Zach!!), circa 2005


(Interestingly, much of his stenciled street art has been cleaned away and painted and covered over (Zach knows about that!)--here, someone has decided to preserve it with a plexiglas panel above--here it is in it's 'naked' state below:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/13/16129664_c07da37ca0.jpg?v=0)

I love Banksy--I bet Zach would too!

(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00161/bigbanksy_161579b.jpg)

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/arts/you-dirty-rat-street-cleaners-prepare-to-blast-banksy-away-1207269.html (http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/arts/you-dirty-rat-street-cleaners-prepare-to-blast-banksy-away-1207269.html)

You dirty rat: street cleaners prepare to blast Banksy away

"Critics call the graffiti artist a genius, and Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have paid €1.5m for his work. But Hackney council has ordered its workers to power-hose his pictures out of sight"

(Amazing parallel, no?? Zach, hell with CalArts, call Brangelina today!)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 08, 2008, 08:47:24 pm
Brad Rowe, Brad Pitt, they resemble, they have the same first name and their last names both have 4 letters.   :laugh:

I am enjoying the art lesson, please continue!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 06:57:24 am

Gosh, thank you!

why thank you! I will see what I can do fer ya!  ;) ;)

Loving the 'snip tool'!

More "raw footage," please???  ::)

(How does one get the 'snip tool,' by the way? I am dumb, sorry--but would love to learn!)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 09, 2008, 07:16:33 am
yes more raw footage.... lol.... loved that last art lesson because i loove that screenshot....
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 08:02:17 am
Gosh, thank you!

More "raw footage," please???  ::)

(How does one get the 'snip tool,' by the way? I am dumb, sorry--but would love to learn!)

actually it came already loaded onto the computer...I cant' remember where I heard about it but I clicked on my Microsoft button (in the bottom left side) and typed 'snip' in the search button and there it was! SOOOO...I play a movie in Media Player and keep the 'snipping tool' open and pause at a shot I want and use the snip to take a little screen shot!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 09, 2008, 08:21:12 am
I had wondered how you did that.

I got to thinking over the weekend about the actors who were gay who made a living playing straight guys, like Rock Hudson and Tab Hunter and Dirk Bogarde. You know, Brad Rowe could do the same thing in reverse.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 08:31:28 am
I had wondered how you did that.

I got to thinking over the weekend about the actors who were gay who made a living playing straight guys, like Rock Hudson and Tab Hunter and Dirk Bogarde. You know, Brad Rowe could do the same thing in reverse.

a straight guy making a living playiing gay characters?

sounds good to me...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 08:47:59 am


--because i loove that screenshot....

Which one?? Tell me!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 11:12:11 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs12.jpg)


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs11.jpg)


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs10.jpg)


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs1.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 11:13:36 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs13.jpg)


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs14.jpg)


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs3.jpg)


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs4.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 11:14:46 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs15.jpg)

this is one I really like....cause you see Brad's 'pouch'...sometimes a little imperfection makes a man just that much more attractive...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 09, 2008, 01:17:15 pm
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs15.jpg)

this is one I really like....cause you see Brad's 'pouch'...sometimes a little imperfection makes a man just that much more attractive...

Yeah! I love that tummy peeking out.  8)  :)

Snip away Jess!  :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 09, 2008, 01:42:32 pm
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs15.jpg)

this is one I really like....cause you see Brad's 'pouch'...sometimes a little imperfection makes a man just that much more attractive...

Oh no no no, that's nowhere near imperfection, he has the most perfect belly, look at the scene where he sees Zach again after who knows how many years, no belly fat whatsoever, but everybody lying like that on a bed would get a pouch....
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: milomorris on June 09, 2008, 01:44:03 pm
this is one I really like....cause you see Brad's 'pouch'...sometimes a little imperfection makes a man just that much more attractive...

Then based on the size of my "imperfection," I must be really hot!! 

LOL!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 09, 2008, 02:04:38 pm
That look on Zach's face as Jeannie and Allen drive away, that is how I feel sometimes..... :-\
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 09, 2008, 02:19:08 pm
That look on Zach's face as Jeannie and Allen drive away, that is how I feel sometimes..... :-\

{{{{{{{{{{{{{TRUMAN}}}}}}}}}}
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 03:15:35 pm
Oh no no no, that's nowhere near imperfection, he has the most perfect belly, look at the scene where he sees Zach again after who knows how many years, no belly fat whatsoever, but everybody lying like that on a bed would get a pouch....

yeah but remember in the comments when he was talking about it? "You need to CG that out..."

I think he said CG...but something about deleting it!  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 03:16:25 pm
Then based on the size of my "imperfection," I must be really hot!! 

LOL!!

You sizzling anytime, Milo... ;)

sexy is in your head...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 03:16:59 pm
That look on Zach's face as Jeannie and Allen drive away, that is how I feel sometimes..... :-\

{{{{Truman}}}}
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 09, 2008, 03:42:53 pm
yeah but remember in the comments when he was talking about it? "You need to CG that out..."

I think he said CG...but something about deleting it!  :laugh: :laugh:

He's so silly, I bet his wife would say it's her favorite part of his body!  :D  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 08:35:06 pm
He's so cute--but I wouldn't call it a pouch, I'd call it more like a pooch!

No CGI (Computer Graphics I magery) needed, though, that's for sure! ;D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Helga on June 09, 2008, 08:54:50 pm
Hey all! I feel a little random posting here but happened across this movie while procrastinating (supposed to be writing an essay/studying for exams guh) but LOVED it! Anywho typed it into google and this forum popped up so after reading 47 pages of posts figured i ought to put in my two cents (it would be stalkerish not too right?) Oh and I apologise if this turns into an essay but the movie got to me haven't stopped thinking about it!!

OK first up I was reading all the articles/reviews on the movie and was really disappointed to see their first kiss put into the too much to drink/wrestling match category coz i thought it was so much more meaningful then that. I mean after the wrestle they were laying for a little bit and then that gorgeous hand on Zacks chest and the slow move to the kiss made it seem so beautiful. Plus a couple drinks doesn't make you drunk - maybe loosens your inhibitions a little...

I found the scene when they were talking about Shaun's book confusing to be honest, though after reading your posts i see a few of you are going down the same track I am. The way Shaun seemed surprised Gabe hadn't told him Zack had the read the book was an interesting reaction. I can't figure it out if by then its because he likes Zach or if its because Gabe's been giving him updates over the time they havn't seen each other (which i think i'm alone in being under the impression it hadn't been that long). I mean it may be that Shaun's always had a thing for Zack or its just a matter of Gabe adn Shaun chatting and since Zack's in Gabe's life he mentions him (my family knows alot about my friends just from normal conversation)...

OK quick side just rewatched the part where they meet up again and SHaun says along the lines of "I haven't seen you since your graduation" so we looking at a year or so?

Ok before i bore you all with my ramblings I felt Jeannie was sadly realistic but does anyone else think there was a little gorowth at the end? I mean she seemed kind of humbled (not sure on right word here) when she realises that Zack turned down the school the first time. So maybe she saw that Zack's mroe willing to make sacrifices then she ever will be?

right i'd better go study and i apologise for my long winded post!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 09:21:34 pm
Welcome, Helga!

--so after reading 47 pages of posts figured i ought to put in my two cents

I think so!

I... was really disappointed to see their first kiss put into the too much to drink/wrestling match category coz i thought it was so much more meaningful then that.

Sigh. That's straight men, for you. Unlike Zach, I was not, nor ever was, "straight," but my first serious relationship was with a "straight" (and unbelievably beautiful) boy who, as the cliché required, had to get drunk so he could kiss me. He got over it pretty quickly, but--Men!

Ok before i bore you all with my ramblings I felt Jeannie was sadly realistic

You got that right.

but does anyone else think there was a little growth at the end?

No. I doubt it. But that's me.

right i'd better go study and i apologise for my long winded post!!

Good luck!

John

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 09:53:49 pm
More: (I'm really enjoying this!)

Shelter and Toulouse-Lautrec


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter13.jpg)


(http://www.penwith.co.uk/artofeurope/toulouse-lautrec_bed.jpg)
Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, The Bed, 1893

"When it comes to couples in double beds, what does painting know? ....[There should be] room for a range of decent bed scenes, of couples amorously or sleepily together. They don't get painted. Toulouse-Lautrec's The Bed, made at the end of the 19th century, is one of the first pictures to show the normal case.

"And in a sense, it isn't "normal". The couple lying in bed are both women. But to see it as a transgressive image isn't quite right either. There wasn't a tradition of painting heterosexual couples in bed to be transgressed. It might have been more shocking if Lautrec had made one of his figures male. And you could say that he is using one anomaly (lesbianism) to usher in another (a double-bed scene).

"Still, The Bed keeps things slightly unclear. There are related images by Lautrec that show two women in bed, embracing, kissing, lolling half-naked. So it is likely that his subjects here are also female lovers...."


http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art-and-architecture/great-works/toulouselautrec-henri-de-the-bed-1893-779355.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art-and-architecture/great-works/toulouselautrec-henri-de-the-bed-1893-779355.html)

Also--

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6218/toulousefo3.jpg)
Henri Toulouse Lautrec, In the Bed, the kiss, 1892

Again, with the Picasso watercolor earlier, I love the sheets!

Also, that Lautrec was so interested in same-sex imagery--very interesting, yes?

A few more 'snips' from the scene in the film would be instructive, but I think we can interpolate, no?

 ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 10:32:39 pm
So, back to


Shelter and Picasso


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs12.jpg)


(http://wahooart.com/A55A04/w.nsf/OPRA/BRUE-5ZKDHP/$File/Pablo%20Picasso%20-%20Studio%20with%20Plaster%20Head.JPG)
Picasso, Studio with Plaster Head, 1925

I like the blues, the yellows, and the reds and whites, the blacks. I like the 3/4 view of the heads. I like the real and the fake shadows. I like the fragmentation and the movement. I like the little fleurs-de-lis at the extreme right and the middle left of the Picasso, and the echo of Zach's central image at the bottom of his mural. I like the architectural elements--very San Pedro, in fact!

I think Zach would approve.

He might like this one, too (though not Picasso):

(http://www.artcritical.com/gelber/images/JR-Untitled1946.jpg)
Judith Rothschild, Untitled, 1946.


Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 10:52:03 pm
And just for a moment, we have to go back to

Shelter and Banksy because--

(http://www.theworldsbestever.com/kissing_coppers.jpg)
Banksy, The Kissing Policemen, circa 2005


--the snip tool has found an even better view!

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs3.jpg)

(Can you believe it? Is it Art imitating "life," or the other way around??)

 :laugh:

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 09, 2008, 11:15:46 pm

Then the last this evening:

Shelter and Lichtenstein

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs13.jpg)

(http://enscreenshots.softonic.com/s2en/53000/53793/3_lichtenstein-in-the-car.jpg)
Roy Lichtenstein, In the Car, 1963

Ok, you've gotta laugh, no?

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 11:20:20 pm
More: (I'm really enjoying this!)


A few more 'snips' from the scene in the film would be instructive, but I think we can interpolate, no?

 ;)


hey! Just let me know what you want and I will try!

 :laugh: :laugh:

I am enjoying it too!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 09, 2008, 11:28:48 pm
Hey all! I feel a little random posting here but happened across this movie while procrastinating (supposed to be writing an essay/studying for exams guh) but LOVED it! Anywho typed it into google and this forum popped up so after reading 47 pages of posts figured i ought to put in my two cents (it would be stalkerish not too right?) Oh and I apologise if this turns into an essay but the movie got to me haven't stopped thinking about it!!

OK first up I was reading all the articles/reviews on the movie and was really disappointed to see their first kiss put into the too much to drink/wrestling match category coz i thought it was so much more meaningful then that. I mean after the wrestle they were laying for a little bit and then that gorgeous hand on Zacks chest and the slow move to the kiss made it seem so beautiful. Plus a couple drinks doesn't make you drunk - maybe loosens your inhibitions a little...


Oh my god....that hand on Zach's chest!!! *Sigh*

Definitely NOT brought on by the drinking!

Quote

I found the scene when they were talking about Shaun's book confusing to be honest, though after reading your posts i see a few of you are going down the same track I am. The way Shaun seemed surprised Gabe hadn't told him Zack had the read the book was an interesting reaction. I can't figure it out if by then its because he likes Zach or if its because Gabe's been giving him updates over the time they havn't seen each other (which i think i'm alone in being under the impression it hadn't been that long). I mean it may be that Shaun's always had a thing for Zack or its just a matter of Gabe adn Shaun chatting and since Zack's in Gabe's life he mentions him (my family knows alot about my friends just from normal conversation)...


Like I have said previously, MY take on it was that Gabe had had a thing for Zach for a while...and probably had mentioned it to Gabe (they were pretty open in their relationship, Gabe and Shaun). So he would be surprised that Gabe hadn't told him, given how open they were with each other.

Also lending more credence is Zach saying in the car when they broke up that bit about being a childhood fantasy...as if there had been a conversation not shown where they discussed when they first became attracted to each other (which would be a pretty normal conversation to have with a lover)

Quote

OK quick side just rewatched the part where they meet up again and SHaun says along the lines of "I haven't seen you since your graduation" so we looking at a year or so?

Ok before i bore you all with my ramblings I felt Jeannie was sadly realistic but does anyone else think there was a little gorowth at the end? I mean she seemed kind of humbled (not sure on right word here) when she realises that Zack turned down the school the first time. So maybe she saw that Zack's mroe willing to make sacrifices then she ever will be?

right i'd better go study and i apologise for my long winded post!!


Yes, I do see a little growth in Jeannie...

To me it seemed at the first that she didnt' see Zach as an individual with needs and wants of his own. He was always there for her and she took him for granted. I think she gained some much needed respect for him by the end...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 10, 2008, 01:09:57 am

hey! Just let me know what you want and I will try! :laugh: :laugh:
I am enjoying it too!

Thank you so much!

(Though I think I'm getting punchy!)

Shelter and Edward Hopper

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs11.jpg)

(http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/images/nighthawks.jpg)
Edward Hopper, Nighthawks, 1942

What is it about diners--so sad in both images!
 
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 10, 2008, 01:16:41 am
awww...but in the end it WASN"T sad...not for Zach..not really, Gabe came thru for him!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 10, 2008, 03:44:27 am
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs11.jpg)

(http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/images/nighthawks.jpg)
Edward Hopper, Nighthawks, 1942

 

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 10, 2008, 10:24:35 am


Shelter and Alexandros of Antioch


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter4.jpg)


(http://webpages.ursinus.edu/classics/zzpictures/venus_de_milo.jpg)
Alexandros of Antioch, Venus di Milo, about 80 BCE


So modest--but a classic!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 10, 2008, 10:35:22 am
Weeeeeheeeeeheeee, that's great!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 10, 2008, 12:15:13 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapposto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapposto)

"Contrapposto is an Italian term meaning "counterpoise" used in the visual arts to describe a human figure standing with most of its weight on one foot so that its shoulders and arms twist off-axis from the hips and legs. This gives the figure a more dynamic, or alternatively relaxed appearance. It can also encompass the tension as a figure changes from resting on a given leg to walking or running upon it (so-called ponderation). Contrapposto is less emphasized than the more sinuous S-Curve."


(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter4.jpg)

(And Zach's got nice shoulders too.)

 ;)
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Post by: belbbmfan on June 10, 2008, 12:18:41 pm
Thanks! I never knew what contrapposto was.

And I agree about the shoulders, btw... ::)  ;)
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Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 10, 2008, 12:45:10 pm

Contrapposto:

Tension

+

Flex

(http://emptyeasel.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/michelangelosdavid.jpg)

 :)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 11, 2008, 01:44:21 am
John, you are a great surfer dude arts professor.  :)  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 11, 2008, 09:18:22 am


John, you are a great surfer dude arts professor.  :)  ;)

You are too kind!  :-*

I was thinking of sending my application to CalArts...

Do you think I can learn how to skateboard before the Fall Semester??

(http://www.boardsh1tless.com/image/skateboarding-wipeout.jpg)

 :laugh:
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Post by: belbbmfan on June 11, 2008, 09:27:12 am

You are too kind!  :-*

I was thinking of sending my application to CalArts...

Do you think I can learn how to skateboard before the Fall Semester??

(http://www.boardsh1tless.com/image/skateboarding-wipeout.jpg)

 :laugh:

I'm sure Zach won't mind teaching you. You were on first name basis weren't you?  ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 11, 2008, 10:31:02 am
In the commentary Treavor Wright says it was him and Ross Thomas, made up to be kids, in the Zach and Gabe DVD. Apparently Ross Thomas is as good a skater as Brad Rowe is a surfer.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 11, 2008, 11:29:37 am
In the commentary Treavor Wright says it was him and Ross Thomas, made up to be kids, in the Zach and Gabe DVD. Apparently Ross Thomas is as good a skater as Brad Rowe is a surfer.

 :laugh:

Yeah, I thought that was so cute!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 11, 2008, 07:41:40 pm
I'm sure Zach won't mind teaching you. You were on first name basis weren't you?  ;)

Uh--THIS close! (arms so wide one hand is outside the window...)  ::)
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Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 11, 2008, 08:03:43 pm

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982347.html?categoryid=2031&cs=1

From Daily Variety
Posted: Thurs., Mar. 13, 2008, 8:00am PT

Trevor Wright
Star of 'Shelter'

(http://a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/23382/20080313153021/www.variety.com/graphics/photos/weekend/pushy_trevor.jpg)

By VARIETY STAFF

Trevor Wright, star of “Shelter

Book I'm reading:
"Middlesex” by Jeffrey Eugenides

Total number of books I own:
Too many to count

Three books that mean a lot to me:
“Catcher in the Rye” by J.D. Salinger
“The Alchemist” by Paulo Coelho
“The Easy Way to Stop Smoking” by Allen Carr

What book would you like to see brought to the bigscreen?
”Catcher in the Rye”

Last film I saw:
“No Country for Old Men,” directed by Joel and Ethan Coen

Three films that mean a lot to me:
“True Romance,” directed by Tony Scott
“Rebel without a Cause,” directed by Nicholas Ray
“The Lover,” directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud

Who do you think is the best actor in Hollywood at the moment? (male or female)
Odette Yustman

Who do you think was the brightest star of the silver screen?
Marlon Brando

If you could play any real-life person in a movie. who would it be and why?
My grandpa, because he was a real old school Hollywood jazz cat, Frank Sinatra type.

Who do you look to for inspiration?
My mother and sister.

Song currently playing in my iPod:
“You’re the Inspiration,” Chicago

Three songs that mean a lot to me:
“The Way You Look Tonight,” Frank Sinatra
“Fire and Rain,” James Taylor
“TurnYour Lights Down Low,” Lauryn Hill and Bob Marley

Guilty pleasures:
* TV: “October Road”
* Film: “Mr. & Mrs. Smith”
* Reading material: US Weekly
* YouTube video: Charlie bit my Finger

Best hangover remedy?
Staying in bed with a gallon of water and a couple bottles of Advil.

What's the biggest upside of the Internet and what is its biggest downside?
Upside: Reading Daily Variety
Editor’s Note: Yay!
Downside: Message boards

What advice would you give to someone trying to break into your profession?
Kill everyone with kindness

Do you have a dream project?
Yes, I am actually currently developing a passion project that takes place in Cuba in the ‘60s. That's all I can really say for now, since it is still in the early stages.

What helps you get out of bed in the morning?
My little puppy kissing me.

Who was your celebrity crush growing up?
Stephanie Seymour

Are there any activities you do to make you feel un-famous?
Thats funny. I wasn't aware I was famous.

Would you rather see a Lakers game next to Jack Nicholson or a Knicks game next to Spike Lee?
Nicholson, all the way!

What is the real reason behind answering these questions?
You asked, didn't you?

Five people who I'd like to see answer this survey:
Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Mos Def, Dalai Lama, and Madonna.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 11, 2008, 08:11:11 pm


 Charlie bit my finger
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM&feature=related[/youtube]

(Thank you, Mr. Wright, for the recommendation.)
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 11, 2008, 09:09:57 pm

Downside: Message boards


Things, that make you go hmmmmmm.......
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Post by: injest on June 11, 2008, 10:21:58 pm
Things, that make you go hmmmmmm.......

what's he got agin message boards... :( :( :(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 11, 2008, 10:57:00 pm

Awww, he's sweet!

Who do you think is the best actor in Hollywood at the moment? (male or female)
Odette Yustman

That's his girlfriend--that's loyal! and:

What helps you get out of bed in the morning?
My little puppy kissing me.

Adorable!

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 12, 2008, 11:09:51 am
I have a few thoughts about Zach and Shaun jumping out of bed wearing boxer shorts when Gabe arrives.

The tendency is to react: "oh that is so ridicules, why would they be wearing shorts in bed?" and I can see that. It would be much more realistic for them to be together in bed nude.

But lets take a look past that for other possibilities. Could this be interpreted as Zach's still getting comfortable with the situation? He certainly had no problem pulling Shaun's shirt off, but maybe some post coital remorse could be smoothed over by putting his shorts on, and Shaun of course would do what ever was needed to help Zach be comfortable.

Now the scene could have been shot so it would have been no issue, I think they were disappointed they ended up with an "R" Rating, like they were working to avoid that.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 12, 2008, 12:02:55 pm
what's he got agin message boards... :( :( :(


Yeah, Trevor, what's up with that?  >:(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 12, 2008, 02:51:06 pm


Yeah, Trevor, what's up with that?  >:(

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs4.jpg)
"I'm sorry! Please forgive me?"
--Trevor Wright
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 12, 2008, 03:05:34 pm

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shs4.jpg)
"I'm sorry! Please forgive me?"
--Trevor Wright


That's OK, I forgive you. Come on then, give us a hug!  :-*

I just saw parts of the movie on the big screen and my plasma TV is too good for the movie, it really doesn't know what to do with that poor quality image.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 12, 2008, 03:19:50 pm

I just saw parts of the movie on the big screen and my plasma TV is too good for the movie, it really doesn't know what to do with that poor quality image.

Thank god all I have is my little 14" laptop--that way I can just pretend.... 8)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 12, 2008, 03:37:16 pm

I have a few thoughts about Zach and Shaun jumping out of bed wearing boxer shorts when Gabe arrives.

Sigh. American puritanism, pure and simple.

If it had been a bit more realistic, Shaun and Zach would have looked frantically for their discarded skivvies on the floor--but no.

I mean really.  :-\
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Post by: belbbmfan on June 12, 2008, 04:12:30 pm
Sigh. American puritanism, pure and simple.

If it had been a bit more realistic, Shaun and Zach would have looked frantically for their discarded skivvies on the floor--but no.

I mean really.  :-\


I know. I had to laugh at that scene too, the first time I saw it. But then Mel pointed out that the director was going for a 'spending the whole day in bed' situation and so it would be normal for them to put at least something on when they had to get out of bed to get some food or something.
Okay, I thought, that sounds plausible, but it didn't come across very well.

And I learnt a new word today.... 'skivvies'. Nice!  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 12, 2008, 07:20:30 pm


And I learnt a new word today.... 'skivvies'. Nice!  ;D


(http://dawn.cbcr3.com/nmc/25/25299/Images/logo%20inverse.JPG)

Website: http://www.theskivvies.ca (http://www.theskivvies.ca)


Ha!

Re: "smalls," as some would say, when I first saw one of my other obsessions (don't ask, but it's the French musical, 'Les chansons d'amour') I was listening to Ludivine Sagnier singing one of the lyrics, complaining:

"Trois petites bateaux
Oubliés par terre--"


--and I'm thinking, what, she has left three small boats on the floor??

Remember my French is poor anyway, and I have aphasia, but I really don't know anything about girls' underwear. Swear to god. Next day I'm walking along the street and I spy this shop: Petit Bateau, and Light Dawns. Panties! (Or as the Brits would say: Knickers!) Ohhhhhh! Now I get it!

Pay no mind! 

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming!

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter9.jpg)

 ;D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 13, 2008, 01:22:07 am
Skivvies! Gosh, the things you learn here at Bettermost... ;D



Now back to our regularly scheduled programming!

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2/etexjess/shelter9.jpg)

 ;D




Well he's not wearing skivvies, or petit bateau for that matter. ::)

Those wetsuits must be really uncomfortable, he looks like he can't wait to get out to them. ;D


Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 13, 2008, 02:56:35 am

Those wetsuits must be really uncomfortable, he looks like he can't wait to get out to them. ;D

--or is already half out of them--

 :o

Not that I'm complaining, oh my, no-- not like somebody else around here was--

--and I was thinking--huh?? ???
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 13, 2008, 01:17:39 pm
Wetsuits, even when they are dry, still have a mildewy smell.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 13, 2008, 02:02:14 pm
Wetsuits, even when they are dry, still have a mildewy smell.

yuck!!! :P
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 15, 2008, 12:05:57 pm

Let me help you with that, Zack--Yum!--Uh, I mean, Yuck!

(http://www.hunkdujour.com/blog/speedo/shelter_dvd_200805_1_530.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 15, 2008, 04:44:16 pm
 :P

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 16, 2008, 01:18:44 am
'Hunk du jour'?

 :laugh:  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 16, 2008, 01:52:15 am

'Hunk du jour'?   :laugh:  ;D

I would like you to know that www.hunkdujour.com (http://www.hunkdujour.com) is a very respected online journal. Intellectual, even. Like The Financial Times, or The Economist. Ahem.


(http://www.hunkdujour.com/images/side_hunk.png)
(http://www.hunkdujour.com/images/hunkdujour/featured_today/today_150.jpg)


Anyway, while I was reading one of their very interesting articles about currency exchanges, cod fisheries and WETSUITS, there was this wonderful photo of Trevor in a wetsuit--so there is an absolutely respectable reason for posting it.

See?

 ::)

http://www.hunkdujour.com/blog/archives/hunks/trevor_wright/ (http://www.hunkdujour.com/blog/archives/hunks/trevor_wright/)

(Why is it Brokies are so goddamn perceptive persnickety, I wonder--)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 16, 2008, 02:42:35 am
me thinks the man does protest too much!

and me thinks this is not his first trip to Hunk Du Jour!!

 ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on June 16, 2008, 08:17:28 am
Well, I may do--now.  ;D

(Frighteningly, though, the HDJ icon--and that has a certain ring to it, don't you think?--I copied and pasted above is alive; look, it's been updated like the temperature at Riverton or Childress at the end of the page--kind of spooky, no? We may have to have an exorcism!)


 :o :o :o :o

(http://www.hunkdujour.com/images/side_hunk.png)
(http://www.hunkdujour.com/images/hunkdujour/featured_today/today_150.jpg)

 :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on June 16, 2008, 08:41:41 am
Well, I may do--now.  ;D

(Frighteningly, though, the HDJ icon--and that has a certain ring to it, don't you think?--I copied and pasted above is alive; look, it's been updated like the temperature at Riverton or Childress at the end of the page--kind of spooky, no? We may have to have an exorcism!)


 :o :o :o :o

(http://www.hunkdujour.com/images/side_hunk.png)
(http://www.hunkdujour.com/images/hunkdujour/featured_today/today_150.jpg)

 :o :o :o :o



IT'S ALIVE!!!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: j.U.d.E. on June 27, 2008, 08:41:24 am
Just wanted to let you know, that I got my "Shelter" DVD today!!  :P  :P

j. U. d. E.
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 27, 2008, 08:56:22 am
Excellent! I hope it plays for you without problem.  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: j.U.d.E. on June 30, 2008, 09:47:20 am
Excellent! I hope it plays for you without problem.  ;D

It did! Aaaah so beautiful to watch the entire film without hick-ups!

Will watch it again...

j. U. d. E.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: mvansand76 on June 30, 2008, 10:47:46 am
It did! Aaaah so beautiful to watch the entire film without hick-ups!

Will watch it again...

j. U. d. E.


Yeeeeeh! Tell us what you thought of the facial expressions that are now so clear!  :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 30, 2008, 11:25:14 am
You know it ihas been a while, I think what I need is a Shelter fix, I may watch it tonight.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on June 30, 2008, 03:09:08 pm
That sounds like a great plan Truman. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on June 30, 2008, 04:05:18 pm
I do watch it sometimes when I need a 'happy fix'! It always helps to watch the last scenes of them getting back together.

 :D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: j.U.d.E. on July 01, 2008, 05:37:26 am
About the facial expressions, I'll come back later.

I have started watching the commentaries and I love when you have that on the DVD's extras! And what a treat to have Brad Rowe, Trevor Wright and Jonah Markowitz in the commentary! Some of their comments are great and very insightful! Haven't watched it all yet. Will watch the rest tonight.

j. U. d. E.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on July 01, 2008, 08:01:01 am
About the facial expressions, I'll come back later.

I have started watching the commentaries and I love when you have that on the DVD's extras! And what a treat to have Brad Rowe, Trevor Wright and Jonah Markowitz in the commentary! Some of their comments are great and very insightful! Haven't watched it all yet. Will watch the rest tonight.

j. U. d. E.

Don't you just love their voices?  :P
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on July 01, 2008, 08:09:18 am
I found that toward the end they were cutting up and having such a good time that things that I had hoped they would comment on was slipping by unnoticed. O-well.
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Post by: j.U.d.E. on July 01, 2008, 08:53:38 am
Don't you just love their voices?  :P

Yes. Yes, I do! Especially Brad's voice. It's kind of breaking sometimes, as if he was teenager. It's quite sweet. And I'm very suprised at Trevor's deep voice. How old is he in real life? It doesn't say on IMDb.

j. U. d. E.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: j.U.d.E. on July 01, 2008, 08:55:52 am
I found that toward the end they were cutting up and having such a good time that things that I had hoped they would comment on was slipping by unnoticed. O-well.

Too true! But you have that in most commentaries I find. Some things they say, were really interesting though.. And what was that bit when Trevor says about 'screen kisses' he's done, that he's not used to have the person opposite him, sticking their tongue in his mouth... tststs.. Brad oh Brad!  ;D

j. U. d. E.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: mvansand76 on July 01, 2008, 09:34:51 am
Too true! But you have that in most commentaries I find. Some things they say, were really interesting though.. And what was that bit when Trevor says about 'screen kisses' he's done, that he's not used to have the person opposite him, sticking their tongue in his mouth... tststs.. Brad oh Brad!  ;D

j. U. d. E.

LOL! That was so funny and yes, I loved his voice breaking sometimes, he has that lazy California drawl which I love, it's very sexy!

Totally agree with you too, Truman, I was sometimes thinking "shut up about that and tell us about the scene!"

I loooooved the "Those waves are gorgeous" Nathan Lane thing! Hahahaha, that was too cute....
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: libertine on July 15, 2008, 08:39:36 pm
i love this movie
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on July 15, 2008, 11:57:35 pm
i love this movie

You pobably can't tell.....but there is one or two people here that like it a bit too!!  ;) ;)

Welcome to Bettermost!!!

It is light and airy and happy....I really enjoyed it too. Do you have the DVD??
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2008, 01:07:05 pm
Greetings, greetings all!  :)

Okay, so I was at the video store two weeks or so ago and picked up a copy of Shelter.
I only got around to watching it last night.

It made me hungry for the ocean and boy, I so wish I could surf.

Anyway, the movie...
I really enjoyed it.  It was uncomplicated in a refreshing sort of way and I thought there was great chemistry between the male leads.

I loved the little moments:   
* Like when Zach and Shaun first meet; there are little pauses in the conversation during which you can't help but feel the crackling tension between them.
* After their first night together, when Zach is driving home, it is almost as if he is exhaling at long last; he can't help but break into a smile that seems to say, 'I can't believe I made it at last.'  I know that feeling well.  I could relate; almost got me all teary then.

The character of Gabe was interesting.  He was clearly accepting of his brother's sexuality and was fine when he discovered Zach was sleeping with him.  All good stuff.  But when he starting talking about men 'giving better head' and 'what about that guy?  you find him attractive..[in reference to a passer-by]', he managed to reduce such a big turning-point in Zach's life into nothing more than sex.  That said, when Gabe was leaving the diner, he said to Zach, "Hey, we're still bros, alright.." and gives him a big hug.  That was heartwarming.  :)

All in all, good movie.  Glad I got the dvd.  I expect I'll pop it in and watch the film again in the very near future.


~M


p/s:  I was wondering - why did they stop to buy Cody flipflops before heading out to Shaun's place?  That scene seemed a little random to me. lol.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Front-Ranger on July 16, 2008, 01:32:09 pm

p/s:  I was wondering - why did they stop to buy Cody flipflops before heading out to Shaun's place?  That scene seemed a little random to me. lol.

An earlier scene showed the brother taking off Cody's shoes after he fell asleep and noticing that they were all holely or too small or something. It shows the little things he did for his brother.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on July 16, 2008, 01:35:57 pm

I really enjoyed it.  It was uncomplicated in a refreshing sort of way and I thought there was great chemistry between the male leads.

p/s:  I was wondering - why did they stop to buy Cody flipflops before heading out to Shaun's place?  That scene seemed a little random to me. lol.

Hey Milli, glad you liked it! I think you hit the nail on the head, it was simple and relaxed and the chemestry between the two really showed.

There was a scene, I think the first Walkie Talkie scene (FWTS) when Shauns battery goes dead and Zach goes over to tuck in Cody he pulls off his shoes and regards them in a way like "time to get some new ones". When he takes Cody with him to dinner I think the paternal instinct kicks in and he wants his boy to look his best to impress Shaun, so he stops and gets him some newer ones.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2008, 02:02:05 pm
Hey T & Lee,

Good point.  I forgot about the scene where he removes Cody's shoes as he sleeps.


 This thread is over 50 pages long..dang, would be nice to read it all, but I don't got no time right now to go through everything.
I gotta watch it again, no doubt, to pick up on the little details I missed the first time.

So, how many times has everyone seen the movie?  8)  Lee, T...?

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on July 16, 2008, 02:04:36 pm
Lord I have no idea, I started watching it on chinese youtube back in March and saw it sever times there and once I got my dvd I think I have seen it a dozen times since then.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2008, 02:29:01 pm

Here is a random moment I recall that was charming..
Outside the grocery store, when Zach tries to explain to Cody that he is his uncle, not his father, Cody insists saying "You're my dad, you're my dad, you're my dad.." as if he is trying to convince them both.  Very cute.


Another question for you experts out there..
Right before the scene where Shaun finds and puts in the tape of younger Zach and Gabe skateboarding, he was lying on the bed checking something on his laptop.  He seems frustrated, closes it and then goes on to find the tape he was about to watch.  Any idea what was going on there?


After watching this movie last night, I had a sudden craving to see another happy ending and my mind immediately took me to my Latter Days DVD.  I probably did see it a dozen times but damn, it's been too long.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on July 16, 2008, 02:51:32 pm
Here is a random moment I recall that was charming..
Outside the grocery store, when Zach tries to explain to Cody that he is his uncle, not his father, Cody insists saying "You're my dad, you're my dad, you're my dad.." as if he is trying to convince them both.  Very cute.


Another question for you experts out there..
Right before the scene where Shaun finds and puts in the tape of younger Zach and Gabe skateboarding, he was lying on the bed checking something on his laptop.  He seems frustrated, closes it and then goes on to find the tape he was about to watch.  Any idea what was going on there?


After watching this movie last night, I had a sudden craving to see another happy ending and my mind immediately took me to my Latter Days DVD.  I probably did see it a dozen times but damn, it's been too long.

Oh I know, sometimes I put in Latter Days and just watch the last 15 minutes.

Shaun is workingon his second book, and I think he is reading some portion he has written earlier and does not care for. He says something like "Who wrote this crap"

Or maybe it is an email from his ex-partner..... :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on July 16, 2008, 04:42:24 pm

This thread is over 50 pages long..dang, would be nice to read it all, but I don't got no time right now to go through everything. I gotta watch it again, no doubt, to pick up on the little details I missed the first time.

Hey, we've been asking for a Making of Brokeback book--maybe we should ask for a Making of Shelter book too!

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Front-Ranger on July 16, 2008, 04:49:18 pm
So, how many times has everyone seen the movie?  8)  Lee, T...?

I only saw it once and it was last fall before the movie came out in theaters.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: oilgun on July 16, 2008, 05:10:52 pm
Hey, we've been asking for a Making of Brokeback book--maybe we should ask for a Making of Shelter book too!

 :laugh:

Yeah and we've been asking for a decent DVD release of Brokeback Mountain and got crap, so I won't hold my breath for a book.... ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lumière on July 16, 2008, 06:00:42 pm
...
Or maybe it is an email from his ex-partner..... :laugh:

That's sorta what I was thinking...  ;D


I only saw it once and it was last fall before the movie came out in theaters.

Wow, had no idea it's been out that long.


One other thing in the movie that was amusing:
Gabe's "Nice shirt by the way!" comment to Zach in the diner kitchen (after Z & S were almost discovered in bed together) kinda indicates to me that he sorta guessed it was his brother's shirt.  I think he started to put 1 and 1 together at that point.  :)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on July 16, 2008, 07:17:20 pm
Greetings, greetings all!  :)

Okay, so I was at the video store two weeks or so ago and picked up a copy of Shelter.
I only got around to watching it last night.

It made me hungry for the ocean and boy, I so wish I could surf.

Anyway, the movie...
I really enjoyed it.  It was uncomplicated in a refreshing sort of way and I thought there was great chemistry between the male leads.

I loved the little moments:   
* Like when Zach and Shaun first meet; there are little pauses in the conversation during which you can't help but feel the crackling tension between them.
* After their first night together, when Zach is driving home, it is almost as if he is exhaling at long last; he can't help but break into a smile that seems to say, 'I can't believe I made it at last.'  I know that feeling well.  I could relate; almost got me all teary then.

The character of Gabe was interesting.  He was clearly accepting of his brother's sexuality and was fine when he discovered Zach was sleeping with him.  All good stuff.  But when he starting talking about men 'giving better head' and 'what about that guy?  you find him attractive..[in reference to a passer-by]', he managed to reduce such a big turning-point in Zach's life into nothing more than sex.  That said, when Gabe was leaving the diner, he said to Zach, "Hey, we're still bros, alright.." and gives him a big hug.  That was heartwarming.  :)

All in all, good movie.  Glad I got the dvd.  I expect I'll pop it in and watch the film again in the very near future.


~M


p/s:  I was wondering - why did they stop to buy Cody flipflops before heading out to Shaun's place?  That scene seemed a little random to me. lol.

Here is my take on Gabe....he was trying so hard to put Zach at ease...Trying to show he was ok with the situation. They have been friends for years remember? So I am sure they are used to talking about sex...probably pretty graphically, so he was striving to put things into their regular conversation. (just my thoughts)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on July 16, 2008, 07:19:25 pm
Milli, my two favorite scenes:

the drive in the morning after and that smile!

and the very first night when Zach woke up to find Brad laying next to him on the chaise, the way Brad was curled up like he is sheltering  ;D Zach from the night.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: oilgun on July 16, 2008, 07:21:50 pm
Here is my take on Gabe....he was trying so hard to put Zach at ease...Trying to show he was ok with the situation. They have been friends for years remember? So I am sure they are used to talking about sex...probably pretty graphically, so he was striving to put things into their regular conversation. (just my thoughts)

I agree with your take on it.  Also, guys in their late teens, early twenties (or any age really,) tend to reduce everything down to sex.  Don't we?  ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on July 16, 2008, 07:27:48 pm
I agree with your take on it.  Also, guys in their late teens, early twenties (or any age really,) tend to reduce everything down to sex.  Don't we?  ;D

I know cattle raisers in their 40s do!  >:( >:(

he dont' cool off soon I am locking him outta the house!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on July 16, 2008, 07:28:53 pm
Wow, had no idea it's been out that long.



Some where in all these pages you will read it was shot in like 18 days in December of 2005 for like $400,000!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on July 16, 2008, 07:29:37 pm
I know cattle raisers in their 40s do!  >:( >:(

he dont' cool off soon I am locking him outta the house!

 :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: oilgun on July 16, 2008, 08:53:04 pm
I know cattle raisers in their 40s do!  >:( >:(

he dont' cool off soon I am locking him outta the house!

Or better yet, send him over to my place!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Lumière on July 17, 2008, 02:40:22 am
Here is my take on Gabe....he was trying so hard to put Zach at ease...Trying to show he was ok with the situation. They have been friends for years remember? So I am sure they are used to talking about sex...probably pretty graphically, so he was striving to put things into their regular conversation. (just my thoughts)

Good point, J.  He was probably trying to make his friend more relaxed about the whole situation (although it clearly had the opposite effect).  Still, he was coming from a good place, right?  ;)


I agree with your take on it.  Also, guys in their late teens, early twenties (or any age really,) tend to reduce everything down to sex.  Don't we?  ;D

Point taken.  8)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on July 17, 2008, 08:07:17 am
Or better yet, send him over to my place!  :laugh:

you would get tired of him soon enough and want to send him back!

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on July 30, 2008, 02:33:39 pm
Okay I had to revive this because you all are so used to Treavor Wright now.

Look at this clip from the first episode of "I Dream of Jeanie". Maybe it is the beach and the waves and all, but man wouldn't Treavor be perfect to play Tony Nelson if they ever made a movie of this?

And, they could dye Amy Winehouse's hair blonde and if she could stay sober long enough she could be Jeanie.



[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxY3XxCWiwk[/youtube]

(http://www.variety.com/graphics/photos/weekend/pushy_trevor.jpg)

(http://es.geocities.com/mundodallas/DALLASLASERIE/STARS/larryazul.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on August 02, 2008, 11:31:42 am
Look at this clip from the first episode of "I Dream of Jeanie". Maybe it is the beach and the waves and all, but man wouldn't Treavor be perfect to play Tony Nelson if they ever made a movie of this?
(http://es.geocities.com/mundodallas/DALLASLASERIE/STARS/larryazul.jpg)

Very clever!

(Look how young--and cute!--Larry Hagman was. Sigh. Supposedly a very, very nice guy, but complicated. As complicated as Amy Winehouse!)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: piano71 on August 02, 2008, 12:56:06 pm
Just spent hours reading all 55 pages of this thread. So my first post will be a random jumble of thoughts in response to past posts.

MPAA rating and censorship issues: I think the "R" rating was more for language than for the sex scene or gay content. There are a couple dozen f-bombs in the dialogue, and the MPAA usually only permits about 1-3 in a PG-13 movie. If you watch the trailer, which was approved for all audiences (meaning the MPAA considered it to have G-rated content!), it is carefully edited to convey that this is a gay-themed movie. Several Zach-Shaun kisses (cut just before their lips meet), as well as scenes of them in bed together, are shown in the preview ... but no one says the word "gay."

It appears to me that here! has targeted the marketing and distribution of this film to gay audiences. I think many straight folk will quickly put this movie back on the shelf after seeing the cover art, which shows two men lying in bed together giving each other loving looks. If this film had been promoted differently, with wider distribution, different posters, etc., it could have had mainstream cross-over appeal (like "Brokeback Mountain"). This marketing approach also may explain why the big-box chain stores didn't pick up this title.

I seldom see independent gay cinema titles in big-box stores like Circuit City or Best Buy. Chain stores will carry some gay-themed major studio productions (such as "Wilde," "Capote," "Brokeback Mountain," and "The Birdcage"), but not the indie stuff. I've had the best luck finding independent gay-themed titles through mail-order, or in gay bookstores. I prefer not to think of this as a shameful / closeted thing, so much as a specialized thing. It's also good for the community to patronize independent businesses. If the chain stores don't see profit$ from selling independent gay movies, there are independent businesses who believe in the value of this genre and will gladly sell us the movies we want!

My favorite scene: When Zach returns to Shaun at the end, Shaun notices someone is trying to contact him on the walkie-talkie. He picks it up, a little surprised at first, and quickly figures out Zach must be close by. Though still hurting from their argument and break-up, he gets a little smile on his face, recognizing that Zach has come back to him. He's ready and willing to forgive.

One thing I'm not sure of: Did Shaun keep that walkie-talkie close at hand, awaiting a call from Zach? Or did Zach sneak into the house (he still had codes / keys) and plant it there?

Gay parenting issue: This film takes a radical stance in favor of gay parenting / gay adoption. Religious conservatives oppose the idea of allowing gay couples (especially two men) to adopt children. Jeanne trots out their usual specious arguments ("Cody needs a positive man in his life," as if to say Shaun is a bad influence just because he's gay). This film shows us otherwise, setting up a scenario in which a heterosexual couple (Jeanne and Allen) would make for lousy parents, while a gay couple (Shaun and Zach) would provide Cody with a good upbringing. Jeanne is forced to realize this (though she resists all the way to the end).

Zach's portfolio / CalArts application: The last time we see Zach's portfolio is the scene where Gabe bursts in the house. During the mad scramble to put on clothes, Zach's portfolio is among all the piles of clothes, towels, etc. in Shaun's bedroom. Zach sneaks out (wearing one of Shaun's shirts) while Shaun distracts Gabe. He leaves the portfolio behind. (Another thing Gabe might notice that clues him in to what's going on...)

After the argument / break-up in the car, there's a scene where Zach is looking for the portfolio back at home but can't find it. Shaun tries to call Zach on his cell phone, but Zach doesn't take the call. Was Shaun just trying to call so they could work through their argument? I think something more was going on...

Zach seems surprised in a later scene when he picks up the voice mail from the CalArts admissions office, saying they got his application, reviewed it, then sent his portfolio back to "the Ocean Beach" address it had been sent from. At that moment, Zach realizes Shaun had snagged the portfolio and sent it to CalArts, along with an application - *after* their argument/breakup. I don't think Zach ever filled out that application - he resisted the idea when Shaun gave him the paperwork. Shaun couldn't just give up on Zach - he did Zach's application for him, so Zach would get that "push" he needed to get his life back on track. Shaun's unconditional love was powerful - how many people would do this for someone who just dumped them for the wrong reasons?

One more thing about Gabe: The ending would have been even more powerful if Gabe had been there with Zach, Shaun, and Cody in the closing scene (which was supposed to take place months later, perhaps after Zach's first semester of art school). Surely by then, Gabe would have come back home and learned that Zach and Shaun had worked things out, moved in together, and unofficially taken custody of Cody ... big changes while he was out traveling and partying. From the conversation in the diner, we learn Gabe still valued Zach's friendship. They would certainly run into each other again in the future, given the close-knit circle of family/friends they had.

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on August 02, 2008, 01:19:55 pm
Hey piano!

Nice to see you here. Welcome to bettermost. Pull up a log and stick a boot in the fire!

I agree about the marketing of this film. And it's sad to think that a movie like this will go unnoticed by so many people because of it. For instance, on the dvd disc itself, one of the extras is shown. Someone who isn't even in the movie in any significant way. It's just 'a hot guy in a wetsuit'. I don't get that. Why no picture of Shaun and Zach? Or of them with Cody?  ???

And, yeah, the make up scene at the end! One of my favorites too. I thought the acting of both of them was really really good, very sensitive and subtle. I loved Zach's voice breaking just as he was saying 'I'm so sorry'. And I loved how Zach threw away the walkie talkie as he was hugging Shaun. Great symbolism.

I'm glad I discovered this movie. I just wish I could have seen it in the cinema (I live in europe).


Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: yankeefan96 on August 02, 2008, 11:22:18 pm

Haha, I told myself I wouldn't write Shelter fanfic, well there you have it... LOL...

This one-shot is what might have happened after the break-up scene between Zach and Shaun in the car. It involves some internal dialogue and THE conversation between Shaun and Gabe we all thought was sadly missing from the movie, but that could never have been added because they story is from Zach's POV.

http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com/28290.html (http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com/28290.html)

My lj is friendslocked, just leave me a message here or on one of the non-friendslocked entries on my lj:

http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com (http://rightwhere-u-r.livejournal.com)

Mel



Mel,

What's the title of your one-shot? I would love to read it.

LJ - yankeefan96

Thanks!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on August 03, 2008, 10:24:39 am
Just spent hours reading all 55 pages of this thread. So my first post will be a random jumble of thoughts in response to past posts.

MPAA rating and censorship issues: I think the "R" rating was more for language than for the sex scene or gay content. There are a couple dozen f-bombs in the dialogue, and the MPAA usually only permits about 1-3 in a PG-13 movie. If you watch the trailer, which was approved for all audiences (meaning the MPAA considered it to have G-rated content!), it is carefully edited to convey that this is a gay-themed movie. Several Zach-Shaun kisses (cut just before their lips meet), as well as scenes of them in bed together, are shown in the preview ... but no one says the word "gay."

It appears to me that here! has targeted the marketing and distribution of this film to gay audiences. I think many straight folk will quickly put this movie back on the shelf after seeing the cover art, which shows two men lying in bed together giving each other loving looks. If this film had been promoted differently, with wider distribution, different posters, etc., it could have had mainstream cross-over appeal (like "Brokeback Mountain"). This marketing approach also may explain why the big-box chain stores didn't pick up this title.

I seldom see independent gay cinema titles in big-box stores like Circuit City or Best Buy. Chain stores will carry some gay-themed major studio productions (such as "Wilde," "Capote," "Brokeback Mountain," and "The Birdcage"), but not the indie stuff. I've had the best luck finding independent gay-themed titles through mail-order, or in gay bookstores. I prefer not to think of this as a shameful / closeted thing, so much as a specialized thing. It's also good for the community to patronize independent businesses. If the chain stores don't see profit$ from selling independent gay movies, there are independent businesses who believe in the value of this genre and will gladly sell us the movies we want!

My favorite scene: When Zach returns to Shaun at the end, Shaun notices someone is trying to contact him on the walkie-talkie. He picks it up, a little surprised at first, and quickly figures out Zach must be close by. Though still hurting from their argument and break-up, he gets a little smile on his face, recognizing that Zach has come back to him. He's ready and willing to forgive.

One thing I'm not sure of: Did Shaun keep that walkie-talkie close at hand, awaiting a call from Zach? Or did Zach sneak into the house (he still had codes / keys) and plant it there?

Gay parenting issue: This film takes a radical stance in favor of gay parenting / gay adoption. Religious conservatives oppose the idea of allowing gay couples (especially two men) to adopt children. Jeanne trots out their usual specious arguments ("Cody needs a positive man in his life," as if to say Shaun is a bad influence just because he's gay). This film shows us otherwise, setting up a scenario in which a heterosexual couple (Jeanne and Allen) would make for lousy parents, while a gay couple (Shaun and Zach) would provide Cody with a good upbringing. Jeanne is forced to realize this (though she resists all the way to the end).

Zach's portfolio / CalArts application: The last time we see Zach's portfolio is the scene where Gabe bursts in the house. During the mad scramble to put on clothes, Zach's portfolio is among all the piles of clothes, towels, etc. in Shaun's bedroom. Zach sneaks out (wearing one of Shaun's shirts) while Shaun distracts Gabe. He leaves the portfolio behind. (Another thing Gabe might notice that clues him in to what's going on...)

After the argument / break-up in the car, there's a scene where Zach is looking for the portfolio back at home but can't find it. Shaun tries to call Zach on his cell phone, but Zach doesn't take the call. Was Shaun just trying to call so they could work through their argument? I think something more was going on...

Zach seems surprised in a later scene when he picks up the voice mail from the CalArts admissions office, saying they got his application, reviewed it, then sent his portfolio back to "the Ocean Beach" address it had been sent from. At that moment, Zach realizes Shaun had snagged the portfolio and sent it to CalArts, along with an application - *after* their argument/breakup. I don't think Zach ever filled out that application - he resisted the idea when Shaun gave him the paperwork. Shaun couldn't just give up on Zach - he did Zach's application for him, so Zach would get that "push" he needed to get his life back on track. Shaun's unconditional love was powerful - how many people would do this for someone who just dumped them for the wrong reasons?

One more thing about Gabe: The ending would have been even more powerful if Gabe had been there with Zach, Shaun, and Cody in the closing scene (which was supposed to take place months later, perhaps after Zach's first semester of art school). Surely by then, Gabe would have come back home and learned that Zach and Shaun had worked things out, moved in together, and unofficially taken custody of Cody ... big changes while he was out traveling and partying. From the conversation in the diner, we learn Gabe still valued Zach's friendship. They would certainly run into each other again in the future, given the close-knit circle of family/friends they had.


I wonder if Gabe being there might have distracted a bit....in the final scene what we see is a happy healthy family unit...complete in itself and almost insular..

I will have to think about how it would have looked to me with Gabe there..(there is something to be said after all for EXTENDED families...)

and the problem I have is that I live in a rural area...to me the whole independent film thing is a hidden world. I wouldn't know where to start to look for them and I would be hesitant to buy a movie I had heard nothing about...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: piano71 on August 03, 2008, 12:41:59 pm
injest -

If you are in the USA, Netflix carries just about every GLBT/independent title I've read about. That way you can try before you buy.

Don't know about DVD-by-mail services in other countries though...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on August 03, 2008, 02:29:16 pm
--and the problem I have is that I live in a rural area...to me the whole independent film thing is a hidden world. I wouldn't know where to start to look for them and I would be hesitant to buy a movie I had heard nothing about...

And also--

"IFC Entertainment is the first and only film studio to embrace the day and date concept and detail a broad multi-picture strategy. IFC First Take is a newly created label that acquires and distributes 24 films a year, releases them nationwide, and simultaneously offers them on-demand to cable subscribers. Currently each film is available on both Cablevision and Comcast services on IFC In Theaters."
 
Website: http://www.ifcfilms.com (http://www.ifcfilms.com)

(I'm lucky--I don't even have a television, but I live near an IFC Theatre on Sixth Avenue and 3rd Street in Manhattan--but you can pop your own corn and stay home and watch some of the neatest things--the future is great!)

 :)

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on August 03, 2008, 02:56:19 pm
Zach seems surprised in a later scene when he picks up the voice mail from the CalArts admissions office, saying they got his application, reviewed it, then sent his portfolio back to "the Ocean Beach" address it had been sent from. At that moment, Zach realizes Shaun had snagged the portfolio and sent it to CalArts, along with an application - *after* their argument/breakup. I don't think Zach ever filled out that application - he resisted the idea when Shaun gave him the paperwork. Shaun couldn't just give up on Zach - he did Zach's application for him, so Zach would get that "push" he needed to get his life back on track. Shaun's unconditional love was powerful - how many people would do this for someone who just dumped them for the wrong reasons?



Wow, I totally missed that. There would probably have been the "San Pedro" address on the application and the portfolio going back to Ocean Beach, maybe Shaun wanting to hold onto it. Perhaps that morning when Gabe showed up unexpectedly Zach left it behind in his hurry to sneak out of the house.

I think Zach did sneak in and put the walkie talkie where Shaun would find it. 
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Flashframe777 on August 13, 2008, 02:11:59 am
Wow...a very long thread. 

I only read through the last few pages, so forgive me if I repeat.

Today I watched the narrated version of Shelter.  Brad Rowe is a total crackup.  At one point when Shaun's kissing Zach and heading past his belly button, you can no longer see him Brad says that he left and went over to the kraft service table to snack.  A few seconds later as they're watching themselves make out Brad jokes, "I give really great head."
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on August 13, 2008, 02:20:31 am
hey Flashframe,

I agree, the commentary was very good. I love hearing their voices. They sound so comfortable with each other. You could hear that they had a great time making the movie. I also thought the references to how cold it was were very funny too.

They just don't sound like 'movie stars' but just regular (though very good looking  8)) guys, having a good time and a laugh.

We watched 'Shelter' with the eurobrokies at the Brussels gathering last week. It was nice to watch it with brokies. Lovely movie.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Flashframe777 on August 13, 2008, 02:28:13 am
hey Flashframe,

I agree, the commentary was very good. I love hearing their voices. They sound so comfortable with each other. You could hear that they had a great time making the movie. I also thought the references to how cold it was were very funny too.

They just don't sound like 'movie stars' but just regular (though very good looking  8)) guys, having a good time and a laugh.

We watched 'Shelter' with the eurobrokies at the Brussels gathering last week. It was nice to watch it with brokies. Lovely movie.

The physical change that Brad had by just putting on a few extra pounds was very shocking.  His Brad Pitt-like image is etched in my mind from "Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss". 

For me it is like having a crush on 2 really handsome actors who are really the same person.

The best feature of this movie will always be the happy ending.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on August 14, 2008, 12:13:54 am
Wow...a very long thread. 

I only read through the last few pages, so forgive me if I repeat.

Today I watched the narrated version of Shelter.  Brad Rowe is a total crackup.  At one point when Shaun's kissing Zach and heading past his belly button, you can no longer see him Brad says that he left and went over to the kraft service table to snack.  A few seconds later as they're watching themselves make out Brad jokes, "I give really great head."


oh my god! They were supposed to be having oral sex??!!! I wondered what Shaun was doing!

 ??? ???
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on August 14, 2008, 10:44:03 am
Anyone know if Artiste has watched Shelter yet?  Just asking.  I think he should see it.   :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on August 14, 2008, 10:50:26 am
oh my god! They were supposed to be having oral sex??!!! I wondered what Shaun was doing!

 ??? ???

Weeeelllllllllll....... ;D
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on August 14, 2008, 07:47:07 pm
Weeeelllllllllll....... ;D

they weren't even MARRIED, Truman!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: belbbmfan on August 15, 2008, 02:43:06 am
 ;D

AND it was their first time together! WOW  8)  :D

Wasn't it on the dvd commentary that Brad Rowe said that he went to the food table to get some juice and nuts and that's when they filmed that part of the scene ?  :laugh:

Apparently he didn't know about it untill he saw the movie for the first time.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on August 15, 2008, 02:56:25 am
The best feature of this movie will always be the happy ending.

It is and thats why I think Artiste should see Shelter.  Not all gay movies end up sad.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: BlissC on August 16, 2008, 06:27:27 pm
We watched 'Shelter' with the eurobrokies at the Brussels gathering last week. It was nice to watch it with brokies. Lovely movie.

Yeah, it was the only movie of the weekend I didn't fall asleep half way through  :laugh: (including Brokeback *blush*).

The best feature of this movie will always be the happy ending.

I agree! It was just so nice to see a movie with a happy ending - a real "feel good" movie - I think we all felt a little more cheerful for having watched it. It's certainly been on my "to watch" list since I first read about it here on Bettermost, and it certainly didn't disappoint. I'll probably write more about it another day - I'm having major problems at the moment (my laptop's died on me and I'm on my mini-laptop, which is great because I at least have a connection, but typing at length on it isn't easy).

...but, I'm cheerful nevertheless because I've just been shopping on Amazon.... :)

....the best news for Eurobrokies is that on 11 August they released a 'Shelter' Region 2 DVD, so no more hacking of DVD players to get it to play!  ;D  Yee-haw! (hmmmm....I wonder what the surfing equivalent of 'yee haw' is...?  :laugh:)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: jstephens9 on August 17, 2008, 10:34:58 pm
I will have to check this movie out. It sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on August 18, 2008, 10:09:08 pm
I will have to check this movie out. It sounds interesting.

you haven't seen it??! You will really really like it I think!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Kelda on August 19, 2008, 06:38:29 pm

 Charlie bit my finger
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM&feature=related[/youtube]

(Thank you, Mr. Wright, for the recommendation.)


Ahahahahaha! My favourite new youtube video!!!!

and some of the pardoys are just as funny!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2IRaDUhd5Q[/youtube]



So i watched this during the eurobrokie weekend and just spoent a LOOOOONNNGG time reading through this thread - was just about to post about shelter now being on region 2 but see that Rachel beat me to it.

Interesting that this film is on www.play.com (http://www.play.com) noted as "Gay Interest" in the title but Brokeback isn't.. wierd!

But thought you all may be interested in the other 50 + 'gay interest' films available on play.com

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/3-/194430/2-/Promo.html

Also.... John - loving the screencaps versus art posts...
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: EnigmaMDG on August 30, 2008, 06:27:31 pm
Gabe's "Nice shirt by the way!" comment to Zach in the diner kitchen (after Z & S were almost discovered in bed together) kinda indicates to me that he sorta guessed it was his brother's shirt.  I think he started to put 1 and 1 together at that point.  :)

Trying to catch up on the long thread, reading it from end to beginning so that I don't miss anything lol. I can't recall having seen anyone address this one yet. I believe that Gabe has already made the connection between Shaun and Zach when he makes the comment about the shirt Zach is wearing in the diner kitchen. You will notice that the shirt Zach has haphazardly thrown on upon Gabe's arrival, and the shirt that he is wearing during the kitchen scene, is the same shirt that Shaun is wearing when he answers the door and gets mauled by sex-in-the-form-of-a-Zach. I have two brothers of my own, and I know I recognize their clothes as much as they do mine.

By the way, I first watched this movie about three weeks ago and I haven't been able to stop watching it. Unfortunately I've had to watch it online, so I'm not privy to all the special commentary yet =(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Kelda on August 30, 2008, 06:29:12 pm
Welcome enigmaMDG!  :-*
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: EnigmaMDG on August 30, 2008, 06:37:43 pm
Here is my take on Gabe....he was trying so hard to put Zach at ease...Trying to show he was ok with the situation. They have been friends for years remember? So I am sure they are used to talking about sex...probably pretty graphically, so he was striving to put things into their regular conversation. (just my thoughts)

I definitely agree with you there. This is actually one of my favorite scenes in the movie because Trevor Wright's facial expressions seem incredibly realistic. You can tell that Gabe is trying to put Zach at ease by incorporating this "new" aspect of his friend's life into a hopefully-normal conversation, but it has the exact opposite effect as intended. Zach wasn't expecting to get blindsighted by his best friend and you can see in Trevor's eyes throughout this scene that the character feels demeaned, as if his best friend were truly insulting him instead of just some affectionate bantering.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: EnigmaMDG on August 30, 2008, 06:42:13 pm
Welcome enigmaMDG!  :-*

Thanks! I have been trying to get all my friends to watch this movie for weeks just so that I have someone to talk about it with  >:(
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: David In Indy on August 30, 2008, 06:47:06 pm
Thanks! I have been trying to get all my friends to watch this movie for weeks just so that I have someone to talk about it with  >:(

Hi EnigmaMDG! I saw Shelter too and I loved it. A friend of mine in Holland sent me a copy of it in computer file form, and I watched it over and over again until the DVD was released on Amazon which of course I bought! :)

Welcome to Bettermost!! :D

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Kelda on August 30, 2008, 06:50:00 pm
Thanks! I have been trying to get all my friends to watch this movie for weeks just so that I have someone to talk about it with  >:(

well now you've found her and you can talk about it!!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss
Post by: injest on August 30, 2008, 07:42:20 pm
I definitely agree with you there. This is actually one of my favorite scenes in the movie because Trevor Wright's facial expressions seem incredibly realistic. You can tell that Gabe is trying to put Zach at ease by incorporating this "new" aspect of his friend's life into a hopefully-normal conversation, but it has the exact opposite effect as intended. Zach wasn't expecting to get blindsighted by his best friend and you can see in Trevor's eyes throughout this scene that the character feels demeaned, as if his best friend were truly insulting him instead of just some affectionate bantering.

yes, Zach felt blindsided and defensive...expecting derision....he didn't know how to react, everything was so new to him. I feel bad for Gabe, I think he WENT there specifically to try to show Zach he didn't care...that it didn't matter to him.

Zach just wasn't where he could hear him yet.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: EnigmaMDG on August 31, 2008, 04:22:04 am
Yes, I do see a little growth in Jeannie...

To me it seemed at the first that she didnt' see Zach as an individual with needs and wants of his own. He was always there for her and she took him for granted. I think she gained some much needed respect for him by the end...

I think Jeanne gets a little bit more growth than that. The part about this scene that made me start to tear up was after they talk about CalArts, and the conversation goes a bit like this:
Zach: "He (Cody) will be fine with us. Or stay, it's your choice."
Jeanne: "Zach... if this thing with Allen doesn't work out, it's best that he's here with you."
Zach: "... He's in good hands, I promise."
Jeanne: "... yeah..."
In the following embrace, Jeanne seems on the verge of crying. I think she begins to realize that Cody is her son, whom she gave life of her own life, and she DOES actually care about what happens to him even if she has been unable to take responsibility for raising him, and finally an acknowledgment of everything that Zach has done. And yet she decides to leave anyway, it makes it even sadder when we switch to see the three boys watching her drive off. I'd be willing to bet that if the camera had panned over to see the car driving away, we might have seen Jeanne looking wistfully back at them.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: EnigmaMDG on August 31, 2008, 04:27:03 am

Sigh. That's straight men, for you. Unlike Zach, I was not, nor ever was, "straight," but my first serious relationship was with a "straight" (and unbelievably beautiful) boy who, as the cliché required, had to get drunk so he could kiss me. He got over it pretty quickly, but--Men!

Heh, it's also a pretty realistic representation. Both guys whom I've considered to be my best friends, have enjoyed the rough-housing. The horseplay didn't even usually require booze, sometimes I'd jump on their back and start trying to beat the crap outta them at work. And lo and behold, I've had... other interactions... with both of them  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on August 31, 2008, 02:20:31 pm
Heh, it's also a pretty realistic representation. Both guys whom I've considered to be my best friends, have enjoyed the rough-housing. The horseplay didn't even usually require booze, sometimes I'd jump on their back and start trying to beat the crap outta them at work. And lo and behold, I've had... other interactions... with both of them  :laugh:

now see??!! That is men. I cant' tell sometimes if Jeff and D are fighting or making out.... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: EnigmaMDG on September 01, 2008, 02:51:29 pm
Yes, there is a bit of disconnect there, if he had never told anyone Tori would not know that he had been accepted before.

I don't think it's that much of a disconnect, just takes a little bit of assumption. Upon seeing the movie the first time, my brain did this in about 5 seconds:
1) Zach gets into CalArts, his dream come true that he turns down because he feels the familial obligation.
2) Zach doesn't tell any of his family.
3) Zach doesn't tell his best friend Gabe, who may not understand the situation and would give biased advise, perhaps something similar to what Shaun says earlier in the movie ("You don't have to. It's a choice.")
4) Zach tells other best friend Tori, because she will provide a different perspective than Gabe. ("You are so responsible, please make out with me!") He asks her not to share this with anyone. That she isn't confused by Zach's re-acceptance supports this theory.
5) Zach tells Shaun, "I never told anyone," which is merely an exaggeration. After all, it may be poor form to mention how he confided in his ex-girlfriend while trying to share an epiphany with his new boyfriend.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: EnigmaMDG on September 03, 2008, 10:12:35 pm
LOL! That was so funny and yes, I loved his voice breaking sometimes, he has that lazy California drawl which I love, it's very sexy!

Tell me about it. I've lived in California my entire life, and even I find myself trying to imitate the way he says "coffee" cuz it just sounds sexier
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Artiste on December 09, 2008, 01:05:38 am
Can one get Shelter movie, as CD ?
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: injest on December 09, 2008, 01:18:40 am
Can one get Shelter movie, as CD ?

yep! you can!

(DVD)
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Lynne on December 10, 2008, 09:37:18 am
I think it is well worth getting the DVD, Artiste.  It's a truly lovely story, full of heart.  I see it as about the family you make versus your family of origin.
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 10, 2008, 11:35:22 am
I have the DVD, loved the movie!
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on December 10, 2008, 11:47:58 am
Be sure to watch it with the commentary on. It is wonderful to here Rowe, Wright and Markowich talk about makeing the movie, especially the love scene where Brad Rowe say: "I give great head."  :-* :laugh:
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Front-Ranger on March 16, 2010, 05:50:52 pm
This first post by piano has some again relevant information about MPAA ratings, since A Single Man also received an R rating.

...MPAA rating and censorship issues: I think the "R" rating was more for language than for the sex scene or gay content. There are a couple dozen f-bombs in the dialogue, and the MPAA usually only permits about 1-3 in a PG-13 movie. If you watch the trailer, which was approved for all audiences (meaning the MPAA considered it to have G-rated content!), it is carefully edited to convey that this is a gay-themed movie. Several Zach-Shaun kisses (cut just before their lips meet), as well as scenes of them in bed together, are shown in the preview ... but no one says the word "gay."

It appears to me that here! has targeted the marketing and distribution of this film to gay audiences. I think many straight folk will quickly put this movie back on the shelf after seeing the cover art, which shows two men lying in bed together giving each other loving looks. If this film had been promoted differently, with wider distribution, different posters, etc., it could have had mainstream cross-over appeal (like "Brokeback Mountain"). This marketing approach also may explain why the big-box chain stores didn't pick up this title.

I seldom see independent gay cinema titles in big-box stores like Circuit City or Best Buy. Chain stores will carry some gay-themed major studio productions (such as "Wilde," "Capote," "Brokeback Mountain," and "The Birdcage"), but not the indie stuff. I've had the best luck finding independent gay-themed titles through mail-order, or in gay bookstores. I prefer not to think of this as a shameful / closeted thing, so much as a specialized thing. It's also good for the community to patronize independent businesses. If the chain stores don't see profit$ from selling independent gay movies, there are independent businesses who believe in the value of this genre and will gladly sell us the movies we want!

Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on June 09, 2010, 10:28:46 pm
They tore down the IGA to make way for Condos......
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on December 15, 2012, 02:31:00 pm
The other night I was watching this Movie, The 13th Floor which came out in 2006. I was surprised to see Zach's house in it at one point.

Here is the trailer, I didn't see the house in it but the bridge is used and appears at 1:30. It is a good, thought pre-volking movie.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEHcB4y7R8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Shelter: The "gay surfer movie" (it's so much more!). See it now and discuss it!
Post by: Rickyp30 on August 08, 2013, 06:43:16 pm
I think Jeanne gets a little bit more growth than that. The part about this scene that made me start to tear up was after they talk about CalArts, and the conversation goes a bit like this:
Zach: "He (Cody) will be fine with us. Or stay, it's your choice."
Jeanne: "Zach... if this thing with Allen doesn't work out, it's best that he's here with you."
Zach: "... He's in good hands, I promise."
Jeanne: "... yeah..."
In the following embrace, Jeanne seems on the verge of crying. I think she begins to realize that Cody is her son, whom she gave life of her own life, and she DOES actually care about what happens to him even if she has been unable to take responsibility for raising him, and finally an acknowledgment of everything that Zach has done. And yet she decides to leave anyway, it makes it even sadder when we switch to see the three boys watching her drive off. I'd be willing to bet that if the camera had panned over to see the car driving away, we might have seen Jeanne looking wistfully back at them.


I don't think Jeanne ever cared for anyone but herself her tears when she left wasn't for her son. It was a act that should couldn't control Zach anymore. Zach woke up we saw what Jeanne did when she said Shaun was only using Zach. Zach was finally happy and was applying again to CALARTS that was what Zach mom wanted that was her dream was much as Zach's but that ruined Jeanne's plans why you think when he told Jeanne he was re applying she said again we cant do that. No one in my family has ever discouraged us from trying to better our selves she did cause she didn't want Zach too she wanted Zach to stay cause if he left she couldn't control him. Only Shaun believed in Zach and loved im IMO. Any any of you want fan stories their is a site fanfiction.net with shelter stories...