1 It was a friendship
that became a secret
2 There are places
we can't return
3 There are lies
we have to tell
4 There are truths
we can't deny
2 There are places
we can't return
That first summer together. That was so wonderful for them (until it was cut short). It's hard to return to the first thrilling throes of love and passion. The reunion was great, but not even close to what they had on Brokeback Mountain. That's one way I see that quote -- they couldn't go back to the way it was before descending the mountain.
Good topic, Chrissi. Very sad, sad, sad trailer.
OMG watching that trailer really stirred up the emotions again. I wonder how many of us will get the DVD out and watch it again.
Watching the clips after the phrase "There are places we cant return".....the clips showing "normality", I felt the phrase meant more, that they could never return to the normal expected way of life, no matter how much they tried and no matter how much they made that kind of life for themselves, they were never going to be able to return to a "normal" way of life.
I especially like the "we" in Nos. 2, 3, and 4. The lines could have been, "There are places they can't return," "There are lies they have to tell," etc. To me, the "we" emphasizes the universal message of the film. It speaks to everyone -- well, everyone who's open to the message.
2 There are places we can't return
To me, this has several possible meanings:
1 - The literal (BBM)
2 - The place of innocence, where Ennis was before he learned the truth about himself
3 - The place of idealistic first love
4 - The lives Jack and Ennis led before their time on BBM
I'm just popping in to say this is an awesome topic for a TOTW! I'll weigh in tomorrow after I watch the trailer again (to refresh my memory). I can't watch YouTube at home because I'm on dial-up, so I'll sneak a look while I'm at work.I saw the Italian trailer on a DVD which I had the big pleasure to buy as a present for a friend, it features one of the deleted scenes, it's a very sexy, bare chested Jack standing on a bridge. I am unable to watch the trailer here as my Internet connection is too slow.
Also, was there more than one trailer? Why do I feel like there were at least two?
2 There are places we can't returnI think you are right on all acounts.
To me, this has several possible meanings:
1 - The literal (BBM)
2 - The place of innocence, where Ennis was before he learned the truth about himself
3 - The place of idealistic first love
4 - The lives Jack and Ennis led before their time on BBM
I think you are right on all acounts.
Many of these apply to me after seeing the film.
I can't watch the movie anymore. Just seeing the trailer causes a physically painful reaction. My chest tightens up, my heart beat increases.
I feel short of breath. Actually watching the movie I cry from begining to end. AFterwards I am so depressed for a long time. So, I can't go back to BBM either.
Number 2 and number 4 apply to me. After seeing the movie and coming to terms with what I am and what I had to do, my life was changed forever.
It is such a powerful movie for some of us.
As much as we might want to go back, we can't.Very Good point.
Very Good point.
This reminds me of a line in a song I once heard.
It's called "Has Anybody Seen Amy"
The line says : "You can always go home but you can never go back"
It is so true....
Rich, I'm hopin it won't be too long before you find yourself in one of those situations where you wish time would stop, and it would just stay like this.
Very Good point.
This reminds me of a line in a song I once heard.
It's called "Has Anybody Seen Amy"
The line says : "You can always go home but you can never go back"
It is so true....
I agree with Amanda. There are even more meanings. We all passed through a gay period in our lives, it's a natural part of growing up.
Yes, I think you are right. Everyone at least stops to consider before figuring out if they are gay or straight or somewhere in between. And sometimes there is cause for people to reconsider when they haven't been honest with themselves.
They say"never return to the place you've been happy",as a kind of maintaining the image and the memories of the happiness you felt there.However,for me BBM is not only a physical place,but a metaphor of the life they wanted to live and that circumstances-and often themselves...-didn't allow them to.There,Ennis and Jack could be themselves,feeling and living as they were at their inner self;it was as their Paradise on Earth,from which they had to descend to find the real life,the one that carried prohibitions,denials and problems to their love...It's to say,the question is not return or not to a place,but to the experiences they lived there;that,even if they were trying to remodelate their daily life to get it closer to BBM ideal-as Belair has said-they never obtained but a simple and often sad imitation of that...So,really both of them,never returned to the mountain,not in the same conditions that in 1963;they could never return to that place indeed.
I especially like the "we" in Nos. 2, 3, and 4. The lines could have been, "There are places they can't return," "There are lies they have to tell," etc. To me, the "we" emphasizes the universal message of the film. It speaks to everyone -- well, everyone who's open to the message.
So Brokeback almost becomes a shrine to what they once had.It will never be the same again,no matter how hard they try to recapture it.They still love each other,even if the words are never said.
But it is no longer simple,they have to lie,to others as well as denying the love to themselves,at least on the part of Ennis.
No matter what was said on Brokeback,at least for that time it was just them,the force of nature,no lies involving other people,even if they were lying to themselves.
So no, they can never return.
Just like we can never turn back the clock, much a we may wish too.
Regrets are the hardest part of life, at least for me, and I suspect for a lot of people. In other words, "if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."
I tend to agree with that.For them BBM was their paradise.What is so gut wrenchingly awful,is the fact that even on BBM things were not as they seemed.They were being observed.
This film and S.S just have so many layers of tragedy,it is hard to bear. They spend the rest of their lives trying to go back to something that they never really had.
Everything for them is tainted. In the S.S they are described as"flying in the euphoric bitter air,looking down -------- suspended above ordinary affairs--------they believed themselves invisible"
How much is packed into so few words. They were euphoric,inspite of themselves,they knew what they had found,but it was bitter,tainted already,as they were being watched and would soon have to descend to real or ordinary life.
On BBM it seems to the two of them ,they are flying, so euphoric are they.They have found they believe,even if only fleetingly their wings, and with it the freedom to fly,out of reach of prejudice and judgement.
It breaks me completely to think even that tiny moment in time is bitter/tainted.They are cetainly not invisible as we know.
If only we could turn back the clock,the pages of time,so many phrases for it.
But maybe what we are also being shown,is that we cannot go back,because what we thought we had is probably not as it once seemed.So we should grab life by the balls and seize the day,while we can.
I don't know, I think what they had on the mountain was perfect.
For the first and only time in their lives they were who they were supposed to be.
They were free to love each other and what love it was. All new filled with excitement and promise.
They were suspended above ordinary things. The were as the Gods on Olympus.
They may have been seen by Aquirre but they didn't know that. They were in love and they were free to express it for however short a time it was.
Some people never get that.
I think Jack may have suspected and it was confirmed in Aguirres trailer the next spring.
But Jack is soooo......... I don't know, Jack! LOL
I agree. Even though they were observed, their blissful ignorance was just that ... belief in the perfection of the moment. Nothing learned later could mar that memory, IMO.
Sorry to hear you are having a bad night. I'm here if you want to chat more.
Now having read the few posts above, I am a little swayed toward your line of thinking. At least for Jack, the knowledge of being watched may have been there, but I'm still not sure that info caused him a problem until later when he went back looking for work. For Ennis, it would probably have been a major showstopper.
I always get the feeling that Jack really believed that one day they'd find that sweet life, and kind of that he thought himself invincible...I so agree with ya on this.
*sigh*
If only. :(
O.K I am going to be swayed a little towards this line of thinking, mainly because it a amuch more positive spin.
I think with me I see it differently sometimes,because I read the story first.I cannot get the "euphoric,bitter air" out of my head.I remember as soon as I read that,my next thought was uh oh. The sentence was preceeded by them having a wonderful carefree time,then just like a roller coaster, you're up with the euphoric then plunged right down with the bitter.You also get to know that Aguirre ha watched them having sex.
My heart sank at that point, in the story,I had no idea where it was going,but I didn't think it was a good direction.
I remeber feeling incredibly sad when reding the story that their idyllic carefree time was immediately tainted.
I guess I then took this perception with me when I saw the film.
I have posted before that I often wish I had seen the film first,in some ways their time on BBM is much less spoiled in the film than in the S.S.
But then in appostion to that,Ennis is more tender and loving with Jack in the S.S than the film.
So I guess,swings and roundabouts,
But as I have had a truly dreadful night so far,I am going to let you all persuade me to the BBM time being perfect.In the hopes it may cheer me up!!!!!
Rich, I'm hopin it won't be too long before you find yourself in one of those situations where you wish time would stop, and it would just stay like this.
Thanks Clyde. Me too!That reminds me of a couples of lines from The horse whisperer by Nicholas Evans:
I have had a one.
When I went to San Fransisco last year I wish It could have stayed that way.
Everything was new and exciting. I met my Brokie friends in person for the first time and I fell in love with the most wonderful beautiful man I had ever seen.
I wanted it to be just like that always. I feel like that everytime I am with my daughter too.
I know each day that passes she is growing more and taking another step toward adulthood and away from me.
So especially where she is concerned I feel that way!
But alas, reality steals our joy and our happiness sometimes and shows us that nothing is forever.
only bittersweet memories..
You are so right. The tragedy of the story really lies at that fork in the road, after which Ennis and Jack were forced to look back forever on "the road not taken" with regret and (at least for Ennis) the inability to move forward in the direction that he yearned to. This is an all too familiar story to me personally. An earlier, less encumbered time, when fear prevented following the heart. There is no going back, for anyone, and BBM exemplified that all too painful reality. Regrets are the hardest part of life, at least for me, and I suspect for a lot of people. In other words, "if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."Same applies to me, very much spot on!
I don't know, I think what they had on the mountain was perfect.However short a time it was, and even knowing later that Aguirre had seen them, that time has been part of their lives, it belongs to them. No-one, nothing can take it away from them.
For the first and only time in their lives they were who they were supposed to be.
They were free to love each other and what love it was. All new filled with excitement and promise.
They were suspended above ordinary things. The were as the Gods on Olympus.
They may have been seen by Aquirre but they didn't know that. They were in love and they were free to express it for however short a time it was.
Some people never get that.
sorry to be off topic for a sec, but I am just curious whether you have read Annie's latest short story? any of her other work?I am currently reading The shipping news.
Wow, I very nearly posted the lyrics of "Time in a Bottle" yesterday, but decided it was just too depressing. I always found it ironic and sad that Jim Croce died so young after writing that song.
I remember when Jim Croce Died. My Mamma cried and we listened to his records all day.
I think when I was that age my favorite songs were Rapid Roy and Ya Don't Mess around with Jim.
I think Time In Bottle is a very appropriate BBM song.
It's amazing how many songs do fit.
I guess heartache, regret and missed opportunities are universal themes.
I guess they are more's the pity.Yes, it is a pity. Seems like it's all part of the human condition.
Yes, it is a pity. Seems like it's all part of the human condition.
This song reminds me of the boys for some reason and the topics we have been discussing in this thread.
See what Y'all think
These are the days
Sugarland
It's written on our palms and
It's written on our hearts
It's written in our songs and
It's written in the stars
Sometimes all we can do
Is stand up tall
When they're standing in line
Just to watch us fall
Chorus:
Whoa
We can't forget, these are the days
Whoa, don't be afraid
We can't forget, these are the days
Well, we got each other and that's all we need
From here on out it's just you and me
Two hometown hearts up against the world
That don't stand a chance against these boys
We faced 'em down, fought bigger fights
And I know babe we're gonna be alright
Whoa
We can't forget, these are the days
Whoa, don't be afraid
We can't forget, these are the days
Well, it feels like we're living from pay check to check
And we wake up wondering what might happen next
Yeah, someitmes it feels like we won't make it through
But the hard times pass
Like the good ones do
Baby wrap your fingers and
Hold on tight
I'll be right here beside you tonight
Baby climb up here
Watch the city glow
Let's make a wish on the fireworks below
We're making moments that we won't forget
And feeling ones that haven't happened yet
Whoa
Don't be afraid
We can't forget these are the days
and also about the line "love is a force of nature" - I have never understood it´s relevence to BBM. First of all it sounds a bit cheesy, which BBM never is. Secondly, to me the movie is about that there actually are things more forceful than love, since they never end up together
Quoteand also about the line "love is a force of nature" - I have never understood it´s relevence to BBM. First of all it sounds a bit cheesy, which BBM never is. Secondly, to me the movie is about that there actually are things more forceful than love, since they never end up together
I think it's very relevent to the movie.
Love is a force of nature. Against all sense and logic, you can't help who you love. You may be able to fight against it and deny it but it doesn't change the truth of the matter. It's like trying to hold back the wind or a raging river.
A dam may be able to hold the water back for a time but eventually it has to be let out. Even little bits at a time or it will eventually over flow and consume everything in its path.
The fact that they never wound up together doesn't negate the fact that they loved each other.
I think it's very relevent to the movie.
Love is a force of nature. Against all sense and logic, you can't help who you love. You may be able to fight against it and deny it but it doesn't change the truth of the matter. It's like trying to hold back the wind or a raging river.
A dam may be able to hold the water back for a time but eventually it has to be let out. Even little bits at a time or it will eventually over flow and consume everything in its path.
The fact that they never wound up together doesn't negate the fact that they loved each other.
So I firmly believe in the love is a force of nature,it will out in the end,no matter how you try to deny it.Amen sister!
Amen sister!
Been there, done that, wrote the script and it still hurts like hell.Just call me Miss Ennis or Ennisina if you prefer. !!!!!I'm in that boat too.
I'm in that boat too.
I identified with Ennis so much after watching the movie.
Thats how me got here!
Every time I watch BBM and we are talking 2 nought numbers now.I want to scream at Ennis, don't let him go you idiot, have you any idea how much it is going to hurt later on?
That is why I agreed so strongly with your analogy of a dam. Love is a force of nature and as such, we as humans are powerless if we find ourselves in its path.You might as well try and stand in a force 5 hurricane and expect to emerge undamaged.It's not happening.Run, take cover and surrender to the inevitable.Or be left standing surveying the wrecked remains.
Same here. And 20 years on I wonder what would have happened if I hadn't done an Ennis and bolted. Instead you're forever left wondering "what if?" and why the hell didn't I stand up for what I knew was right. Unfortunately I didn't have a Jack to track me down again 4 years later. It took BBM to finally make me realise what I'd been running from for all these years and wake up and realise you don't get a second chance. That was when I realised I've got to live for the day and make the most of whatever comes along. I don't want to find myself another 20 years down the line with only two shirts and memories alone in a trailer (metaphorically speaking). Still doesn't stop you from wondering "what if?" though. :(
"You don't get a second chance." So right, BlissC!
Let's all try to get to the "carpe diem" stage, hunh, Fiona?
Cheers,
Paul
Oh ignore me I am just being a pretentious twit!!!!!
Not at all, darlin'. "Seize the day" is the ultimate Brokeback lesson. Something we all must strive for. It's why we're here.
Don't ask me why that phrase always stuck along with, illegitimi non carborundum, which I think is fake latin.Some words and phrases just seem to have more punch in another language,like Merde!!!! There is no real English equivlaent. But then I am a certified 100% paid up,card carrying, member of nutcases anonymous,so that probably explains a lot of things.
Well, from one nut to another, Carpe Diem, dudette!
This what I just love about here, no matter how cr- p my day may have been,someone here invariably causes me to raise a smile. I am going to adopt dudette officially now.I hear my kids saying dude all the time,so I'm going to get with the programme.Does this mean I am now officially cool?
A dudette by any other name is just as cool. :)
What if, must be two of the worst words to ever have to live with.There simply is no answer, only endless permutations reviewed on a daily basis. I am not quite at the carpe diem stage yet.It's all a bit too close still.I have nearly 15 years of mess ,and only 2 years distance.I am however trying on a daily basis.This place helps considerably.There really is some comfort in numbers.
Not at all, darlin'. "Seize the day" is the ultimate Brokeback lesson. Something we all must strive for. It's why we're here.
Time does help in some ways. When it's less immediate it's not quite so raw, but then on the other hand with time there's the danger of the "rose tinted spectacles" effect where that time seemed so perfect when if you could actually go back there you'd realise that it was far from perfect, but maybe it was still a damned sight better than now.
You're right though, this place does help a lot. Sometimes I can't believe how much Brokeback has changed my life, and here's the only place you can say something sometimes, and only fellow Brokies recognise what you're saying.
So true. And in line with my new "seize the day" philosophy, tomorrow I'm going to do something I've been meaning to do for a very long time. You'll have to wait to see what it is though. I'm saying nothing until the deed is done. ;)
Back on "what ifs" and "what might have beens" though, I'll leave you for now with one of my poems. It's one of my early ones from the time when things were very raw and I hadn't got much distance - probably one of my most prolific times for poetry - I've got pages and pages of my ramblings, all saying pretty much the same thing in different ways - in hindsight, "there are places we can't return to"...
For Posterity
In the light
of the twinkle
of an eye,
And in the movement
of an arm,
In the frame
of my mind
You are perfect.
The instructions
Were so simple,
Just press,
Rewind,
Review.
But the makers
never told us,
there are things
it just can't do.
So we're left
with old technology
And a frame
that won't rewind,
And the
twinkle of an eye
and the pose
of an arm are held
forever in time.
(c) Bliss Carrington, 19.3.91
As English isn't my first language and I am not good with words even in my own language I hope I'll be able to express what I feel.
The There are places we can't return to me it means the time up on Brockback was a time when they still had a future ahead of them, and above all they had the freedom to choose what to do with their own lives. Yes, the world was hostile towards their love (even if Ennis at the time didn't acknowledge it as such) but they had the freedom to make decisions, to take a different path if they wanted to. They were no wives (Alma was only a girlfriend, she and Ennis hadn't even slept together yet), no children, Ennis in particular didn't have a family to report /to justify to, his father wasn't there to frighten/threaten him any longer, They had a chance, in my opinion a very big one too, and they missed it.
Brokeback wasn't just a place when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong and of imagined power, the power was actually there, had they been able to see it and grasp it. Of course they did they best they could given the circumstances and with the knowledge they had at the time. Later came the commitments, wives, children, and they could no longer return to that place of power.
IMHO that's why Brokeback is a place they can't return to.
I also want to say thank you to our new friend Sel who had such great insights, and if English isn't your first language, then perhaps it should be, because you did a damned fine job of expressing yourself with wisdom and clarity. Good for you.
Sel. Ennis and Jack had NO freedom to make such decision to stay together as lovers !!
Sel. Ennis and Jack had NO freedom to make such decision to stay together as lovers !!
When I say that J and E had the freedom to choose I didn't think that the road ahead would have been dead simple, not at all. I am sure a lot of difficulties, hard times, risks taking would have expected them.
I know, I belong to a different generation, I was born and live on a different continent, I am not gay. However I feel they had a better chance of living their love had they not married, had they moved out of Wyoming, and so on. I am not accusing them for not making those choices, they did the best the could considering the time and the place they were living in, and their experiences up to then. Jack was more adventurous and optimistic which helped, or may be not, as we are left to wonder how he died. IMHO.
Although in different circumstances I can remember all too well a time in my life around J and E's age when I had that power and couldn't use it , as if I didn't have the tools, or may be the tools were there but I didn't know how to use them.
I love your poem. Why is it we can only write poetry when depressed,or at least that is the way it is for me.
Yes, that's all about the same for me too, applied to various times in my life when I have been strongly affected by some event/movie/music, etc. I am thankful to have the capacity to feel on this level at all, even if it is sometimes sadness.
Optom, since you talk about medication, you realized that Ennis and Jack were taking booze like that too ??
Instead of being lovers au naturel right away ! So, society pushed them even on that mountain to take alcohol ?
Shame !
?
Au revoir,
hugs! Maybe, they did not need booze after, hopefully ??
Optom, since you talk about medication, you realized that Ennis and Jack were taking booze like that too ??
Instead of being lovers au naturel right away ! So, society pushed them even on that mountain to take alcohol ?
Shame !
I always thought the alcohol was a means to an end,the emotion and attraction were there, but it took the the loosening/relaxing power of alcohol to liberate them,particularly Ennis.
I sometimes wonder if Jack is almost unconciously or even deliberately trying to get Ennis drunk.I do not mean in a calculating wicked way,but as an aid to something he has acknowledged in himself and sees in Ennis.
Instead of being lovers au naturel right away ! So, society pushed them even on that mountain to take alcohol ?
Artiste, it is not "now a known fact" that booze, as you call it, destroys brain cells. Pretty much always been a known fact.
Could you maybe try to prove a point here? Are you saying that if there was no whiskey up on Brokeback, Jack and Ennis would have never fallen in love? Cause that's the only thing I can guess that you're trying to say here, and if that's the case, it's a ridiculous one. Whiskey or no whiskey, I believe they'd have still fallen in love and still made love. Maybe it would have taken them a little longer to get over their fear and shyness, but it would have still happened, regardless of "booze".
Artiste, it is not "now a known fact" that booze, as you call it, destroys brain cells. Pretty much always been a known fact.
Could you maybe try to prove a point here? Are you saying that if there was no whiskey up on Brokeback, Jack and Ennis would have never fallen in love? Cause that's the only thing I can guess that you're trying to say here, and if that's the case, it's a ridiculous one. Whiskey or no whiskey, I believe they'd have still fallen in love and still made love. Maybe it would have taken them a little longer to get over their fear and shyness, but it would have still happened, regardless of "booze".
It's just my humble opinion that Ennis chose on his own that night to drink that much so that he would have an excuse to stay in the camp with Jack and see what might happen. Jack wasn't pouring it down his throat, that's for sure.
Thanks, Bliss. I remember the scene where Jack came back to camp saying, "I spend 4 hours a day commuting", considering the two trips he had to make each day, for breakfast and supper, which would mean the journey back to where they "pasture the woolies" would be 1 hour, at least, when you were sober. Goodness knows if you'd even find your way, in a drunken condition. I'm sure Ennis knew that Jack knew that presumption. Don't even think about trying to find your way A) in complete darkness, with only the moon as your guide, and B) drunk as a skunk. Jack was always the less responsible one, when it came to taking care of those sheep, so I think Ennis knew he wouldn't get any grief from Jack if he got a little too drunk and decided to forego the trip back to them on that first evening.
But this makes me think about something else, and I hope I don't offend anybody with this. Most men who've been drinking too much can last a really, REALLY long time. And most virgins can last no time at all. Why is it, do you think, that the first time was over so quickly, considering Ennis was both drunk AND a virgin? Hmmmmm...... Thoughts?
It's just my humble opinion that Ennis chose on his own that night to drink that much so that he would have an excuse to stay in the camp with Jack and see what might happen. Jack wasn't pouring it down his throat, that's for sure.
That's a good point. Though as Sel said, Jack was the risk taker, and made the first move, as I think I've mentioned before somewhere, from Jack's first move and Ennis's shock to Ennis deciding TS1 was a good idea so to speak, IIRC was less than around 10 seconds, which would suggest that Ennis had indeed considered the possibility of this already.
If man to man sex had not been seen as evil or sin in society before Ennis and Jack meet, they would have been in bed together much much sooner, right ??
But this makes me think about something else, and I hope I don't offend anybody with this. Most men who've been drinking too much can last a really, REALLY long time. And most virgins can last no time at all. Why is it, do you think, that the first time was over so quickly, considering Ennis was both drunk AND a virgin? Hmmmmm...... Thoughts?
But this makes me think about something else, and I hope I don't offend anybody with this. Most men who've been drinking too much can last a really, REALLY long time. And most virgins can last no time at all. Why is it, do you think, that the first time was over so quickly, considering Ennis was both drunk AND a virgin? Hmmmmm...... Thoughts?
So, the deaths and fears in the BM story to me are like that too, some realism like in our present society which I see as becoming too Islamic anti-gay and too China anti-human !!
Help! Don't know what IIRC stands for. :-\
Had no idea booze would have that effect! Never had sex with a drunken guy. You learn something new every day.
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I was wondering that myself earlier when I found myself checking which thread I was posting on. Ah well, it's still all BBM (mainly), so I guess all's well in the world. ;D
Good point! That's something that's niggled me too (along with Ennis's very sudden change from shock at Jack's advances to until I figured he was obviously considering this turn of events beforehand), but the alcohol/virginity and sleeping/processing alcohol explanation could explain it I guess. I wonder if anyone's done any research on the staying power of cowboys after the consumption of alcohol? :P :laugh:
Had no idea booze would have that effect! Never had sex with a drunken guy. You learn something new every day.
Hey Sel, I must say that I have had some very interesting, long-lasting sessions with boyfriends after they've had two or three glasses of wine with dinner. I agree with Fiona that a "drunk" man is no fun in the sack, there's really no point, but a slightly tipsy man is a bazillion tons of fun, in terms of duration, and of voraciousness, and of creativity, for that matter. Fond memories... Just a tip.
Seems like good advice for all of us!
Merci sel !
Yes, I am very proud of Wayne still, even since his is now dead, which death however, I figure, was caused by an MD who does not like gays nor Christians no Jews !!
So, maybe I can guess that Ennis and Jack had less and less sex, if they kept on drinking booze all those years ?
Remember the difficulties more and more that Ennis and Jack had ??
Even if they did meet regularly in some ways, they had commnications troubles !!
IIRC = If I remember/recall correctly. ;)
Hey Sel, I must say that I have had some very interesting, long-lasting sessions with boyfriends after they've had two or three glasses of wine with dinner. I agree with Fiona that a "drunk" man is no fun in the sack, there's really no point, but a slightly tipsy man is a bazillion tons of fun, in terms of duration, and of voraciousness, and of creativity, for that matter. Fond memories... Just a tip.
You hit the nail on the head there,tipsy good, drunk go home .
A lady I knew was divorced for 4 years and had no kind words for her ex, who ran off with another woman. She once cried on my shoulder that she missed him. Puzzled, I asked why, if he was so bad. Her answer, between sobs, was .. 'I miss him as he used to be'. She didn't miss what he did, but she missed his love. I think sometimes that's how a lot of people feel.This is a great point!
This is a great point!
I can relate to it a lot. We can never go backto how it used to be which is sometime the hardest thing to take.
Hey Rich, good morning. I think what you said is quite true of BBM, and of life in general. If we're lucky, we have so many special and precious moments in our life, moments which we should memorize and embrace and treasure. But then they're gone, just like that, in the blink of an eye. And we're left waiting for the next special moment to come along. Sometimes, we're left waiting for far too long. I think the whole point of life is to recognize those moments AS THEY ARE HAPPENING, which we tend not to do for whatever reasons. Maybe we're just scared that we don't deserve for that much happiness to be coming our way in the first place. Wouldn't it be great if we could all get over our fears and insecurities from the past, and actually LIVE LIVE LIVE and LOVE LOVE LOVE in the present?
Next question -- would BBM have been such a treasured film to us IF Jack and Ennis had started a real life committed completely to each other, in full view of the world? IMHO, no. Part of the allure of the film is the tragedy that they didn't. Ennis reading the "DECEASED" postcard on the street, and the look on his face that he can't even wrap his head around the concept of living in a world where his one great love no longer breathed. If only he had a second chance..... If only.....
And to be willing to take a risk ....
"There are places we can't return"
When I was re-reading the SS, I noticed two references that I'd skimmed over before...
At the time of their last trip together, Ennis isn't living in Riverton, he's "...in Signal where he was working now for Stoutamire's cow and calf outfit"
and also, "...Ennis was ready to head back to Signal, Jack up to Lightning Flat"
In the movie, he's living, or at least getting his mail, in Riverton at the time of Jack's death. And his trailer is outside of Riverton.
Why the change in the movie from the story do you think?
Hey, those posts are great.Sometimes though, thats just so hard to do. :-\
Maybe one of the most important messages the film has: that we should never be afraid to love, never miss the opportunity to show it, nor to receive it, and always try to put love before our own pride and material wants?
Sometimes though, thats just so hard to do. :-\