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Title: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: opinionista on May 31, 2006, 06:42:15 pm
This isn't porno but look what I just read about why Angelina Jolie gave birth via c-section. It's pretty heavy that this actually came in a blog. I feel bad for Jennifer Aniston.

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/6957716.html?mode=reply (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/6957716.html?mode=reply)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on May 31, 2006, 06:53:15 pm
This isn't porno but look what I just read about why Angelina Jolie gave birth via c-section. It's pretty heavy that this actually came in a blog. I feel bad for Jennifer Aniston.

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/6957716.html?mode=reply (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/6957716.html?mode=reply)

Interesting, interesting, interesting. I am telling you, I wouldn't have a c/s in Africa, but then again, they have enough money, they probably flew in a team of ob/gyns and built an OR in the basement of the hotel.

Jeezz....
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: David on May 31, 2006, 06:57:34 pm
 (http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/46912510/7343397)

You've got to be kidding?

I thought they were going to say it was done because Brad wanted to keep things tight down there!   But in her case,  I'd say "Too late for that!"
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: delalluvia on May 31, 2006, 07:12:49 pm
Oh brother. ::)

Dare they leave out Britney Spears also having a c-section?

There are quite a few reasons women - healthy young women have C-sections - besides STDs.   ::)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Ellemeno on May 31, 2006, 07:20:56 pm
Don't get me started on the C section rate these days....
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: David on May 31, 2006, 07:26:54 pm
OMG!     I finally get to use this movie quote from Gone with the Wind!

    "I don't know nothing bout birthing no babies!"        ::)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on May 31, 2006, 07:40:52 pm
Don't get me started on the C section rate these days....

Ditto, Elle...
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on May 31, 2006, 07:41:28 pm
OMG!     I finally get to use this movie quote from Gone with the Wind!

    "I don't know nothing bout birthing no babies!"        ::)

All I know is you got to put a pair a scissors under the bed t'cut the pain!
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: David on May 31, 2006, 07:47:01 pm
"I'll go start boiling water"       ::)


So us blokes can have a spot of Tea while the ladies do all the work in the birthing room! 
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: opinionista on May 31, 2006, 08:09:55 pm
I'm not sure if this is true but it's pretty heavy that some hollywood producer actually gave this information! If it's true of course. I didn't know they knew so much about celebrities' private lives, unless having herpes is so common in that environment that everyone talks about it as if it were a cold or something.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: ednbarby on May 31, 2006, 08:38:21 pm
Actually, Will almost came into the world by C-section.  In a lot of ways, I wish he had (and not because of any impact on our sex life, thankyouverymuch - the doc helped out with that in her, uh, stitching technique).

Warning:  Possible TMI Ahead (as if that wasn't enough, already):













I mostly wish he had because the umbilical cord was compressed against him in the birth canal and he started losing oxygen rapidly - they were this || close to doing an emergency one on me.  If I could have foreseen that, I'd have opted for a planned one.  I still blame myself in a way for that bit of oxygen getting cut off to him and perhaps causing the developmental delays he's had his whole short life, not to mention the attention deficit problems (God, I so hate to say that term - I used to think it was overdiagnosed, but now I swear we're all seeing it in him) we're seeing now.

C-sections take longer to recover from, I hear.  But vaginal births ain't no walk in the park in that respect, either.  No one tells you that - it's just something some of us women, lucky us, get to experience.   :-\
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on May 31, 2006, 08:45:34 pm


C-sections take longer to recover from, I hear.  But vaginal births ain't no walk in the park in that respect, either.  No one tells you that - it's just something some of us women, lucky us, get to experience.   :-\

I had one of each and let me tell you, they both take a while to recover from...you are just recovering from different things! LOL

Each birth was absolutely transcendent, in its own way, and each was meant to be the way it was...


And neither one (ie, the birth procedure) was "planned" although both required medical intervention. IMO, there is a big difference....
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: ednbarby on May 31, 2006, 09:01:59 pm
Each birth was absolutely transcendent, in its own way, and each was meant to be the way it was...

I hear you there, soul sistah.  I shouldn't fault myself - I did the best I could.  And look at the reward - I have a *beautiful* son.  He is just what he was meant to be.  And then some.  :)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on May 31, 2006, 09:16:51 pm
I hear you there, soul sistah.  I shouldn't fault myself - I did the best I could.  And look at the reward - I have a *beautiful* son.  He is just what he was meant to be.  And then some.  :)


They all are perfect and all meant to be...even with the little uphill battles we all face...

That is why I actually don't envy alot of rich & famous people...having nannies and all that...part of having kids means being with your kids...
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: twistedude on May 31, 2006, 09:33:11 pm
Butterfly continues: It's cut the pain right in two!

In my Lamaze calss (for my second child; in Chicago, they did the old fashioned way, and knocked me out withg a crowbar), everything was fine, except they forgot to mention one word:


PAIN...
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on May 31, 2006, 09:34:41 pm
Butterfly continues: It's cut the pain right in two!

In my Lamaze calss (for my second child; in Chicago, they did the old fashioned way, and knocked me out withg a crowbar), everything was fine, except they forgot to mention one word:


PAIN...

Sorta like poor Ennis, waiting in the waiting room, doc comes out and says, "You have a baby girl..."
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: dmmb_Mandy on May 31, 2006, 09:45:16 pm
 ::)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: JennyC on May 31, 2006, 09:55:30 pm
::)

Mandy is like whatever with these "old" ladies talking about child birth :)

I did not have a c-section.  Glad that I did not need one.  I thank whoever invented Epidural.  It’s my advice for every first time mom.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Ellemeno on June 01, 2006, 01:14:23 am
The first few weeks of my daughter's life were so exhausting and overwhelming (AND transcendent, etc. of course), so exhausting, that I can't imagine what it would have been like to tackle it while recuperating from the most major body event most people ever go through.  My hat's off to you.

It's funny (not quite the right word), in those early months, I was kind of worried I would feel left out when attending new mom support groups, because we are an adoptive family.  Come to find that yes, I did not have anything to add to the discussions of all the physical miseries of swollen ankles, ripped labias, cracked and splitting nipples, etc.  Then gradually all the women healed, and I tend to feel one hundred per cent a mom, just like them.

And re herpes - it's very common, I think, now, not just among wild life style people.  Or formerly wild life style people. Dum dee dum.....[Ellemeno whistles an innocent little tune]   ::)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on June 01, 2006, 04:53:08 am
The first few weeks of my daughter's life were so exhausting and overwhelming (AND transcendent, etc. of course), so exhausting, that I can't imagine what it would have been like to tackle it while recuperating from the most major body event most people ever go through.  My hat's off to you.



Breastfeeding helps...alot. It gives you an excuse to plunk down every hour or two and do nothing but feed the baby. "Sorry, can't answer the phone, I'm feeding the baby." "Sorry, can't do whatever...I'm feeding the baby."

I loved breastfeeding, btw. Didn't want to quit--Lureen doesn't know what she missed!
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Sheyne on June 01, 2006, 07:37:13 am
POSSIBLE TMI Warning (for you fellas who may be a bit faint-hearted... David, just uhhh... put on some more tea, hunh?)

Thanks gals, I have been chuckling along... god some of these posts brought back memories.. lol..

Re C-section v Natural birth..  I wanted a natural birth with William - I really did. But the doc estimated his birth weight at 9lb or more and said - and I quote - "there's no way you're pushing out a baby that size on an untried-cervix" (which, at a week past my due date, hadn't even begun to soften and I looked like a walking duplex)..  Well, I am VERY glad I decided to take the cut because Will came out at 10lb 5oz.  :-X *sheyne crosses legs at the mere thought*

And then of course, 2 weeks later, I'm laying on his bed having my post natal exam, I'm naked from the waist down, my legs up in the stirrups, trying desperately to think of England or something and he says - as he's peer "down there" - "Oh would you look at that!!!"  NOT the comment you want to hear when a doctor is peering at your nether regions. I politely enquired as to what was so interesting and he remarked "You could have delivered him naturally after all - you've got perfect child bearing hips".

Didn't know whether to laugh or punch his lights out..  ???
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: ednbarby on June 01, 2006, 08:24:47 am
I did not have a c-section.  Glad that I did not need one.  I thank whoever invented Epidural.  It’s my advice for every first time mom.

Mine, too, Jenny.  I say to them "I have one word:  Epidural."  Ed says, "Epidural - ask for it early, ask for it often."  I had to wait 90 eternal minutes for my bloodwork to come back OK and the anesthesiologist to magically appear.  90 minutes in the "transitional phase."  I thought I was gonna shoot right out of my skin.  It felt like being hari-karied (sp?) through the back with swords.  When he came in, I swear I saw a halo over his head.  Nothing better than looking at that monitor spike almost off the screen, have your husband say, "Geez - did you feel that one?" and be able to say, "Nope.  Not really."
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: ednbarby on June 01, 2006, 08:31:21 am
The first few weeks of my daughter's life were so exhausting and overwhelming (AND transcendent, etc. of course), so exhausting, that I can't imagine what it would have been like to tackle it while recuperating from the most major body event most people ever go through.  My hat's off to you.

Yeah, nice little trick Mother Nature plays on us, ain't it?  Your nether regions, as Sheyne so eloquently calls them, feel like a train wreck, your hormones are tripping the light fantastic (and if you're real lucky, ha, ha, triggering a nice little case of clinical depression), and, oh, by the way, you're fully responsible for the care and feeding of this totally helpless, totally vulnerable miniature human.  And you have no practice whatsoever in doing any of it - babysitting 20 years ago doesn't count.

 :o
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: delalluvia on June 01, 2006, 08:50:09 am
Yeah, nice little trick Mother Nature plays on us, ain't it?  Your nether regions, as Sheyne so eloquently calls them, feel like a train wreck, your hormones are tripping the light fantastic (and if you're real lucky, ha, ha, triggering a nice little case of clinical depression), and, oh, by the way, you're fully responsible for the care and feeding of this totally helpless, totally vulnerable miniature human.  And you have no practice whatsoever in doing any of it - babysitting 20 years ago doesn't count.

I have cats.  Thank all the gods.

Don't feel bad Sheyne, the doctor could have been completely wrong.

Your post made me recall another actress who had a C-section despite years of being told she has 'child-bearing hips'.

Kate Winslet.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: MaineWriter on June 01, 2006, 08:59:20 am
Mine, too, Jenny.  I say to them "I have one word:  Epidural."  Ed says, "Epidural - ask for it early, ask for it often."  I had to wait 90 eternal minutes for my bloodwork to come back OK and the anesthesiologist to magically appear.  90 minutes in the "transitional phase."  I thought I was gonna shoot right out of my skin.  It felt like being hari-karied (sp?) through the back with swords.  When he came in, I swear I saw a halo over his head.  Nothing better than looking at that monitor spike almost off the screen, have your husband say, "Geez - did you feel that one?" and be able to say, "Nope.  Not really."

Midwife to Leslie, "Shall we think about an epidural?"

Leslie, instantaneously, "I'm done thinking, yes."

Anesthesiologist magically appears in room. Epidural in place in less than 3 minutes.

There are some advantages to being a nurse and having friends who work in the hospital.  ;)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: isabelle on June 01, 2006, 09:36:12 am
OK, I'll jump into the "old ladies" discussion, as I feel qualified!  I have 2 kids, 2 c-sections. Both under epidural. The first was hard to recuperate from, not the second, and in both cases I was so scared to actually give birth that I am glad my hips (and all the bones down there) are too small to give birth normally (my babies were VERY big too!). And I agree: breastfeeding was great fun!
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: henrypie on June 01, 2006, 11:17:22 am
Dela-- I remember reading the interview with Kate W. about her shame at having had a c-section, after years of absorbing the idea that it was some proof of womanhood to have a vaginal birth.

Bah!

Herpes:  everytime I see people kayaking on TV, I know it's a Valtrex commercial.  I've read that about 25% of the adult population carries genital herpes.  Madonna, Kate whatserface, Jennifer whatserface -- they ain't special.  I've also read that taking an antiviral during pregnancy, particularly toward birthtime, minimizes the risks associated with a vaginal birth.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on June 02, 2006, 06:21:08 pm
What a fascinating topic.  So interesting to hear about the differences and the similarities.  Wow.  All I can really add is that besides HSV (herpes simplex virus) being extremely common, so it HPV (human papilloma virus), and that can have long term consequences (cervical and possibly rectal cancer).  Everyone should be more educated on that but alas...

Juan
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Ellemeno on June 02, 2006, 07:24:09 pm
I think this thread is a perfect example of never judging the actual topic by the subject line.  It means I really need to look at EVERY thread (but can't, pesky other parts of life gettin in the way), you never know where the pearls are here.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Penthesilea on June 02, 2006, 07:32:19 pm
Wow, girls, first nobody posts in the Ladies Corner, and as soon as it's closed you discuss giving birth intensively.  ;D

So I'll jump right in to the "Old Ladies" discussion, too. Like isabelle, I feel qualified. I have three children, all born the old-fashioned way. Thank god I didn't need a c-section.
Two of them were delivered without epidural. I screamed for an epidural at every childbirth, but two times I started screaming too late.
At the third childbirth I was already in the last act of labours (don't know the English expression; in German it's "pressing labours", that means that the child is actually coming) when the anesthesiologist showed up.

Midwife to Penthesilea: "Do you already have pressing labours?"

Me:"No!" (I knew I had them, I lied to her, I wanted the epidural so badly)

Midwife to anesthesiologist: "Wait a minute. I check this first"

A minute later

Midwife to anesthesiologist: " You can go; your coming was in vain. She'll have the baby within the next 10 minutes."

And right she was.

Quote
Ed says, "Epidural - ask for it early, ask for it often

Ed is right! At my second childbirth, I started screaming (yes: screaming, not asking) for epidural the moment I reached the hospital. I swear, I literally screamed to the doorman (!) for an epidural before I told my name. This was the only childbirth I had an epidural.

Juan:
How brave by you. Men usually don't make their way through childbirth-stories.




Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: JennyC on June 02, 2006, 07:39:55 pm
Ed is right! At my second childbirth, I started screaming (yes: screaming, not asking) for epidural the moment I reached the hospital. I swear, I literally screamed to the doorman (!) for an epidural before I told my name. This was the only childbirth I had an epidural.


Penthesilea,

So you did not have Epidural for your first born.  Wow, you are a brave woman :).  Most the women I know may not have Epidural for their 2nd or 3rd child because they have already advanced pass the window to use Epidural. 

I know all the women who gave birth before there was even Epidural are going to roll their eyes, but I just can not imagine not having that.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Ellemeno on June 02, 2006, 07:46:07 pm
Not from my own direct body experience, but as a doula I have been at births where the women loved giving birth with no drugs - I just want to acknowledge that.  Most births I've been to, there were drugs, but a few (not many) were truly ecstatic no-drug births.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: ednbarby on June 02, 2006, 08:57:12 pm
Not from my own direct body experience, but as a doula I have been at births where the women loved giving birth with no drugs - I just want to acknowledge that.  Most births I've been to, there were drugs, but a few (not many) were truly ecstatic no-drug births.

As with everything where parenting (and anything else of importance) is concerned, you just gotta do what feels right for you.

I had three different close friends try to talk me into going drugless beforehand.  One was a NICU nurse, one was a doula, and one was someone who'd had two drug-free births that were good experiences.  The first two had had both their kids sans drugs themselves, so they did practice what they preached.

But I knew myself and my extremely low pain threshold.  And I knew my husband and his squeamishness.  I wanted him to be there only because I feared he'd regret it if he wasn't - all the Dads do it these days, dontcha know.  For myself, I could have done it alone no problem.  To this day I'm very thankful I had one done.  I honestly don't believe I could have pushed properly through that pain.  I was dry-heaving (and I'm not someone who gets nauseous easily normally) into a bucket, it was so intense.  Took me totally by surprise.  Others had told me how this, that and the other might, uh, give way during it all, but that never happened.  I just thought I was gonna barf.  It worked perfectly - I could feel and move my lower abdomen and legs - it just took the edge off the pain but I could still feel the pressure.  That was all I needed.  I think I would have been hysterical if it had continued on like it had been before.  And that would have been bad for Will, bad for Ed and bad for me.

But I know women who swear by doing it drugless.  Power to them.  I don't feel like less of a woman for my choice (and I know you're not in any way implying that, Clarissa - I've just known women who've wondered if they should have tried it without), and I don't regret it one bit.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: delalluvia on June 02, 2006, 09:16:09 pm
I don't feel like less of a woman for my choice (and I know you're not in any way implying that, Clarissa - I've just known women who've wondered if they should have tried it without), and I don't regret it one bit.

Good for you barb.  Most of the mothers I know were and are still grateful for medical science and epidurals.  Going through the transcendent experience of excruciating, nauseating pain was something they were very happy to do without so they could focus on the birth and their baby.

To each their own.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: henrypie on June 02, 2006, 10:43:55 pm
On epidurals, and other pain-minimizing technologies:  Bring it on!!!!  I think epidurals are a gift, same with antibiotics, safe anaesthesia, sterilization and lots of other medical evolutions that have allowed us to die a little older and a little less scarred.

My husband refuses novocaine in the dentist's chair.  This is really, really weird to me -- yuck, it certainly upholds the stereotype of "ze German who does not vhine!"  (He's German.)  (Swabian in fact.  The land of No Complaining.)  I think that's absolutely, positively nuts.  Now, upon pressing him, I discovered that he had a bad reaction to a novocaine shot in his teens -- half his face swelled grotesquely -- quite scary.  This gets me a little closer to understanding.

So, in addition to "Bring it on!" I second the notion of "To each his/her own."
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: delalluvia on June 03, 2006, 12:52:49 am
My husband refuses novocaine in the dentist's chair.

Heh, for a minute there, henrypie I thought your husband was one of 'those'.

From the movie 'Splash'

Eugene Levy as   Walter Kornbluth is sitting in the dentist chair, torturing himself over the suffering the mermaid is undergoing due to his actions.

When offered novocaine, he refuses, "I don't deserve it."
Dentist:  "Oh, you're one of those...."  ;D
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Ellemeno on June 03, 2006, 01:07:54 am
I just posted my last post out loud to have a so far unrepresented experience represented.  It sounds like you know that.

No novocaine.  My teeth would probably have to fall out rather than go through that.  I guess he won't be complaining about our guest room mattress in August.  (Just kidding, it's actually quite new and comfortable.)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: serious crayons on June 03, 2006, 01:14:44 am
My feeling was, I've been taking drugs all my life -- why would I stop now? So I had epidurals both times. But the first time it didn't really "take," and it was pretty unpleasant. For a lot of reasons besides pain -- more difficult birth in general, bad-old-days high-tech medically delivery room, foreceps, endless pushing, etc.

The second time, I was in one of those birthing rooms fixed up to look like a luxury hotel room (same hospital! that's the difference 17 months made in the mid-'90s). My husband and I sat up all night watching '60s sitcoms on Nickelodean, relaxing, me not completely comfortable but not in agony, and the next morniing when it was time for my son to come he popped out like a spit watermelon seed.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Sheyne on June 03, 2006, 06:13:10 am
From the movie 'Splash'

Eugene Levy as   Walter Kornbluth is sitting in the dentist chair, torturing himself over the suffering the mermaid is undergoing due to his actions.

When offered novocaine, he refuses, "I don't deserve it."
Dentist:  "Oh, you're one of those...."  ;D

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Del, this is one of my favourite movies and now I'm gonna have to go watch it again..
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: henrypie on June 03, 2006, 12:02:46 pm
Ooh, what about Steve Martin in Little Shop of Horrors?  Is that right?  He's the mean biker guy who loves it loves it loves it?

My husband, who has said he has no problem with my using his name by the way -- it's Ruediger -- wanted me to stress that he DID have novocaine for wisdom tooth-extraction (I had GENERAL for that -- well, nitrous, mmmm) and I guess fillings until he was 19 when an army dentist told him he was really going to need novocaine and did a bum job and turned Ruediger off forever.

Ruediger!  That's his name.

You know what's funny to me?  Ruediger does not complain much, but he whines and carries on like the third act of Tosca when he has to take cough syrup or NyQuil.  He is SUCH a baby in that regard.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Pipedream on March 08, 2009, 05:49:59 pm
Ha ha. What a great old thread. I have to agree with you girls on the subject of epidurals: bring them on!!!  :)
I didn't need one for my first born seven years ago, but it really saved my life the second time. The memory is quite fresh of course. My little boy turns three months old next week.
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Kelda on March 08, 2009, 06:45:00 pm
so fun to see you online again Anke - we want to see some more photos of little Carlo!
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Pipedream on March 13, 2009, 06:26:21 pm
so fun to see you online again Anke - we want to see some more photos of little Carlo!

Hey Kelda! Here's a new one I just sent to some workmates who bought him a toy...

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,30977.msg487876/topicseen.html#msg487876 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,30977.msg487876/topicseen.html#msg487876)
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: Kelda on March 14, 2009, 05:58:45 am
 ;D
Title: Re: OT: About 'Brangelina': Warning: NC-17 thread (I think)
Post by: injest on March 14, 2009, 11:28:35 am
I can't believe all you women in here telling our secrets!!

for centuries, we been telling them young women "oh that is nature, you'll FORGET the pain as soon as they lay that precious baby in your arms!!"

now you have given the game away and they will all get epidurals and never experience the *COFF* 'joy' of drugfree childbirth!