BetterMost, Wyoming & Brokeback Mountain Forum
Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond => Brokeback Mountain Open Forum => Topic started by: serious crayons on June 22, 2006, 06:30:22 pm
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I don't own the DVD of BBM. For several reasons, the main one being, I'm afraid I'd watch it constantly and get desensitized to it. I went two months after it left theaters without seeing it. Then when I finally rented it, it was soooo great. Not to sound too sappy, but it felt like coming home again after a long absense -- like I was with old beloved friends, like I was where I was supposed to be. I stayed breathlessly glued to the screen, rewinding here and there, riveted. (I'll confess, though, that in the interim I had watched certain scenes so many times on YouTube I'm surprised that some videos -- 4 Nights in 20 years, especially -- didn't get worn out.)
I watched the movie about five or six more times over the next few weeks. By the end I was getting ... not sick of it -- oh my god, never! -- but maybe slightly less attentive than I had been, not quite as absorbed, wanting to FF through certain parts (ie, the wife parts). (Though that's when I started really zeroing in on some of those almost indiscernible little details, so there were benefits to that approach, too.)
Don't get me wrong, I still find it thrilling, stunning, breathtaking -- in some ways even more so as time goes on. But I want to preserve that reaction and, for me, it seems best to keep my doses regulated. I'm not great at self-discipline, and Blockbuster imposes its own discipline. (Besides, I'm waiting for that Deluxe Edition that includes footage of all the rest of the time Jack and Ennis spent together over 20 years! :-*)
But I have seen several posters just in the past few days mention that they watch the DVD every day, and I know there are others who do the same, or have done the same in the past.
So how do you all feel about this? How often do you want/need/crave to watch it? Do you impose restrictions on yourself? And if you're one of those frequent-flyer watchers, how do you keep the magic going? Do you ever feel yourself becoming desensitized? If so, what do you do about it?
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You shut up about overwatching. This here ain't it's fault. :)
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I think I got desensitized to a degree before it even left the theaters, where I saw it 11 times. Although I adore being moved to tears in a movie, I tend to get analytical after the first rush. After that, it depends a lot on my mood whether I am caught up again in that same emotion while watching it. (Liquor helps! ;))
At home, I watch in spurts, often to clarify points I'm posting about. But I enjoy lying back and being with Jack and Ennis, whatever stage of the story they are in. I hope someday, maybe years from now, when I haven't watched it for a long while, that that wonderful heart-rush will return and I will have a grand old cry again. :)
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I'm a bit like you in that I practice restraint. While I do have the DVD, I try to use it sparingly and to maximum effect.
When I first got the DVD I made the executive decision to only watch it with someone else, thinking this'd do two things. 1) limit my own viewings, and 2) spread the word. All good in theory, but in practice I've watched it alone a few times. From now on though, I'm going to resist the cravings - the thought of it becoming tedious terrifies me! Also, I kinda like the anticipation that restraint brings. That has it's own deliciousness :P.
So, upshot is - I'd average at roughly once a fortnight currently. Reducing to monthly from here on in, and will try to space it out further as the months roll on. Like the previous poster, I'm half looking forward to the day I realise I haven't seen it in a year, and have it just like the first time all over again - that's if I ever make it to a year :o ;D.
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You shut up about overwatching. This here ain't it's fault. :)
That was great- made me laugh ;D
Sometimes I watch it and say- okay I'm going to focus on symbolism and all that, but I just end up being a mess again. And sometimes it's the other way around. But I'll have to tell you- sometimes I feel so emotionally drained that I just can't watch it for awhile; and I have to process things in my head. But after a couple weeks of not watching- I'll go back to it again. Just like Jack always goes back to Ennis...even though he knows he's going to end up crying again *sigh*
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You shut up about overwatching. This here ain't it's fault. :)
*responds with Jacklike glower* >:(
I sure don't blame IT! I want to protect IT from predator loss. :-\
Then again, I guess that's what Ennis said, and look what happened ... :'(
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For me personally, I think there could be such a thing as overwatching if I would see it every day or three times a week.
So far, I've seen it 8 or 9 times completely and 2 or 3 times the first part (one time I stopped when they got down the mountain, the other time at the divorce-scene in the court room, couldn't bear to see the post-divorce scene).
Since I know BBM for three months now, it makes an averarge of less than once a week.
I never FF any scenes and I can't bring myself to put in the DVD just to check one or two scenes for details. I think this would wear it out to me. If I want to check certain details, I search screencaps on my PC.
I'm still totally blown away with every viewing and I want it to stay like this.
Sometimes I watch it and say- okay I'm going to focus on symbolism and all that, but I just end up being a mess again
Replace "sometimes" with "every time" and that's me :)
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Okay guys ... I am beyond crazy. I have literally watched this film at least once a day since it came out on DVD. I am still not tired of it. I keep trying to quit my addiction ... it's not working. Someone asked me today to try to go one day without watching it. I nearly hyperventilated! I'm pathetic, I know.
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I'm pathetic, I know.
No more so than the rest of us. Our viewing habits may vary, but we are all more or less equally obsessed.
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I am something of a novelty as I haven't watched the film part yet of the DVD *gasp* I am one of those people that has to have the right circumstances & one of those is to be alone in the house as I have decided at least for my first couple of viewings. This is rare, so also gives me a good excuse to put it off! But when it did occur a while back I had it all planned out but then got into the extra features & had enough of a reaction from those I just couldn't face the film. On one hand I have wanted to watch it lots & been curious to check out the symbolism etc but on the other I have been fearful of another episode of post-viewing trauma. Y'all seem to have survived & now my desire to see it & curiosity is outweighing the trepidation so it will be soon!
In fact, it may be this w/e. Of course I have made a big thing of it now so am anticipating all kinds of angsty reactions & will need to ensure I have plenty of red wine & chocs available! I also have my loooooong mental list of things to look out for but have not yet decided whether to watch straight through or stop & pause. Probably would have to be the former or I would be for days on end. I would love to have the support of a fellow Brokie to watch with but alas I don't see that happening so I'll rely on the red wine & chocs instead! I might come running on here for cyber support afterwards though!
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Yes, I think there is such a thing as overwatching, and sadly I am guilty of this. I have watched it all t he way through probably 20+ times, and I have looped the best parts (FNIT, SNIT, stauching Ennis' bloody nose, reunion kiss, to name a few) to play over and over and over... that I think I have desensitized myself, and I am not happy about it.
At my first viewing it was the reunion kiss that really clutched me, the scene that I liked best. Mhmmmmm yummy! :D At my second viewing I loved the reunion kiss again. :-* :-* Now that I have watched that scene at least 200 times, it has lost its thrilling magic, and so I have decided to go cold turkey. :-\ So far it has only been 20 hours! :'( No more watching for me until it comes back to a cinema, at which time I will see it for only the second time on the big screen.
And that includes all the tender videos on Youtube. :'(
J
that wonderful heart-rush will return and I will have a grand old cry again. :)
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Yes, I think there is such a thing as overwatching, and sadly I am guilty of this. I have watched it all t he way through probably 20+ times, and I have looped the best parts (FNIT, SNIT, stauching Ennis' bloody nose, reunion kiss, to name a few) to play over and over and over... that I think I have desensitized myself, and I am not happy about it.
At my first viewing it was the reunion kiss that really clutched me, the scene that I liked best. Mhmmmmm yummy! :D At my second viewing I loved the reunion kiss again. :-* :-* Now that I have watched that scene at least 200 times, it has lost its thrilling magic, and so I have decided to go cold turkey. :-\ So far it has only been 20 hours! :'( No more watching for me until it comes back to a cinema, at which time I will see it for only the second time on the big screen.
And that includes all the tender videos on Youtube.
OMG!! I can't do that. I have watched it around the 100 times mark (may be more, may be less ... but not much less). The scenes you have mentioned still clutch me. I can't get them out of my mind. When Jack says to Ennis, "I wish I knew how to quit you ...." I think the same way about this film. I am compelled to watch it day after day after day. I feel like my day isn't complete unless if I watch it. My family wonders how I have time for anythng else! So, to wait until it comes back out on the big screen again .... I can't do it. I would go into major withdrawls.
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Personally, I think I can overwatch it. I missed it in the cinema (actually, it's still running over here, but I hate subtitling, and also, I'm afraid to make a fool of myself blubbering away in public...). Got the DVD, and saw that 7 times in the first 3 weeks. Then I watched seperate scenes while working on my own edition of the screenplay (yes, I found other ways to deal with my obsession...). Eventually, three weeks on, I rewatched the entire film an 8th time, and while I was still very moved, noticed that it didn't quite hit me like a ton of bricks the way it did before. So I have now decided not to watch it for several months, at the least.
... But I do reread the story, as well as the rest of "Close Range", peruse Avedon's "In the American West", listen to the soundtrack (and to Charlie Haden & Pat Metheny's "Beyond the Missouri Sky"), got the DVD of "The last Picture Show", ordered a book of Wyoming landscape photography, not to mention the fact I'm hanging around boards like these on a daily basis... you get the picture. I suppose I can hardly pretend to have quit BBM.
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Personally, I think I can overwatch it. I missed it in the cinema (actually, it's still running over here, but I hate subtitling, and also, I'm afraid to make a fool of myself blubbering away in public...). Got the DVD, and saw that 7 times in the first 3 weeks. Then I watched seperate scenes while working on my own edition of the screenplay (yes, I found other ways to deal with my obsession...). Eventually, three weeks on, I rewatched the entire film an 8th time, and while I was still very moved, noticed that it didn't quite hit me like a ton of bricks the way it did before. So I have now decided not to watch it for several months, at the least.
... But I do reread the story, as well as the rest of "Close Range", peruse Avedon's "In the American West", listen to the soundtrack (and to Charlie Haden & Pat Metheny's "Beyond the Missouri Sky"), got the DVD of "The last Picture Show", ordered a book of Wyoming landscape photography, not to mention the fact I'm hanging around boards like these on a daily basis... you get the picture. I suppose I can hardly pretend to have quit BBM.
Where are you from? I was just curious since you said that you didn't like subtitles. Have you watched the DVD with dubbing or with subtitles or neither? I personally hate dubbing. Nothing substitutes for the actor's own voices.
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I have the DVD and have watched it 5 times in 6 months and saw the movie in a theater too and that was enough for me. I know other people who watched it more than I did. The impact of the movie never weakened for me. I admit the first time I watched it was the most intense and difficult, but I still feel the same joys and sorrows when I watched it the 6th time. After that, I just said, "Enough is enough." and stopped. I know I'll watch it again sometime. Maybe next year. It's one of my very favorite movies, but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing too, you know.
Rayn
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Where are you from? I was just curious since you said that you didn't like subtitles. Have you watched the DVD with dubbing or with subtitles or neither? I personally hate dubbing. Nothing substitutes for the actor's own voices.
I'm in the Netherlands. Thank god they don't do overdubbing here, like they do in Germany - it' s horrible. I grew up near the German border, watching German TV, and would see American movies and soap opera`s all with the same generic handful of voices...
Subtitles are the lesser evil, but they do disturb the image. On the DVD, I can thankfully switch them off and just listen to the original English (and then thankfully switch them on again when Ennis starts mumbling...)
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I'm in the Netherlands. Thank god they don't do overdubbing here, like they do in Germany - it' s horrible. I grew up near the German border, watching German TV, and would see American movies and soap opera`s all with the same generic handful of voices...
Subtitles are the lesser evil, but they do disturb the image. On the DVD, I can thankfully switch them off and just listen to the original English (and then thankfully switch them on again when Ennis starts mumbling...)
I use the subtitles for Ennis' mumblings, too! ;)
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Heya,
I think I've seen the first half of the movie almost twice as many times as I've seen the second half (or the whole thing). Kinda wierd, I know. But, wow, I need to gear myself up for watching the whole thing. My reaction to the movie certainly goes in waves and whether I cry or not anymore depends a lot on my own mood. I usually watch it once or twice a week (or at least the first half ::) ).
The thing that's changed the most about the movie for me now is the pace. It now feels like it goes by really, really fast. Which is funny since the pace, obviously, is famously slow. And, I now think about the movie in BetterMost shorthand as I watch it... which is also kind of wierd. For example, I can't watch the happy tussle without thinking... "oh, it's the happy tussle" (which of course is a totally, totally different kind of reaction from my 5 theatre viewings... which I guess you could say were more 'pure').
I'm sort of indulging myself in all the over-analysis. I just think it's tremendously fun and I feel like I've truly learned a lot from all these discussions here. It's funny though. Sometimes I watch with specific questions for these forums in mind... so I'll pause it and come running to the computer.
:D
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I guess it all depends on your personality. I can watch a movie I like hundreds of times and never tire of it. Brokeback is one of those films! I have seen it 23 times in the cinema, but only about 6 times on DVD. Each viewing is like the 1st. I am still blown away by all the beauty, everything! I don't think I'll every tire of watching Brokeback. Actually, I won't have a chance to get burned out from it. My daughter is a huge fan but feels it is too sad to watch more than once a month. No one else in the household is a repeat movie watcher, which means I am lucky to see it once every 2 weeks or so.
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I guess it all depends on your personality. I can watch a movie I like hundreds of times and never tire of it. Brokeback is one of those films! I have seen it 23 times in the cinema, but only about 6 times on DVD. Each viewing is like the 1st. I am still blown away by all the beauty, everything! I don't think I'll every tire of watching Brokeback. Actually, I won't have a chance to get burned out from it. My daughter is a huge fan but feels it is too sad to watch more than once a month. No one else in the household is a repeat movie watcher, which means I am lucky to see it once every 2 weeks or so.
Littlewing - Oh WOW! 23 times at the cinema? You ARE a die hard Brokie aren't you? I saw it seven times at the theatre (but I have watched it probably 50 times on DVD). Between you and me Littlewing, I think Universal made a bunch of money off the both of us! :)
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Littlewing - Oh WOW! 23 times at the cinema? You ARE a die hard Brokie aren't you? I saw it seven times at the theatre (but I have watched it probably 50 times on DVD). Between you and me Littlewing, I think Universal made a bunch of money off the both of us! :)
You know, David, if I had the chance, I would have gone more often when it was still in theatres. I am a serious Brokie, for sure. And proud of it! ;)
Whenever I felt down, or a little anxious, I would drive all over town if I had to in order to find a place showing Brokeback. It was such fun watching the audience watch the movie!
I did receive a gift card for Christmas to the AMC cinemas, and the amount was generous. Even so, I used every cent of that gift card on brokeback. I even paid for others to see BBM, because I thought it was the right thing to do. So yes, Universal made the buck off myself and my daughter. She saw Brokeback in the theatres 10 times, often with me.
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Ohe thing that's changed the most about the movie for me now is the pace. It now feels like it goes by really, really fast. Which is funny since the pace, obviously, is famously slow.
I know exactly what you mean. I'll watch it now and think, What, they have sideburns already? What, it's the divorce scene already? I can't believe how fast it goes -- maybe because after all this time discussing it I've really begun to FEEL those 20 years going by, and I can't adjust to having them pass in 134 minutes.
I also know what you mean about thinking of BetterMost stuff as you watch. It's a running commentary in my mind. Not only the serous analytical posts, but also (maybe especially) the funny ones. For instance, when Aguirre yells "no fucking way" into the phone, I always laugh out loud, thinking of the post on the "Brokeback slang" thread that translated his line as something like, "Absolutely not, you persistent individual!"
And when Ennis drives his truck up and parks under the "Laundromat Entrance in Front" sign, I always laugh thinking of the Cowboy Etiquette thread, and someone's (Ellemeno's?) post saying, "Always park your truck right under the 'entrance in front' sign, so everyone will know what entrance you REALLY like using." After all this time, that still makes me laugh.
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I also know what you mean about thinking of BetterMost stuff as you watch. It's a running commentary in my mind. Not only the serous analytical posts, but also (maybe especially) the funny ones. For instance, when Aguirre yells "no fucking way" into the phone, I always laugh out loud, thinking of the post on the "Brokeback slang" thread that translated his line as something like, "Absolutely not, you persistent individual!"
And when Ennis drives his truck up and parks under the "Laundromat Entrance in Front" sign, I always laugh thinking of the Cowboy Etiquette thread, and someone's (Ellemeno's?) post saying, "Always park your truck right under the 'entrance in front' sign, so everyone will know what entrance you REALLY like using." After all this time, that still makes me laugh.
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At the "not queer - me neither" scene I always think about the Cowboy Etiquette thread, too. "Always keep your rifle handy when discussing your sexual orientation". :laugh:
And the last time in theatre was the first time I saw the charry cake while actually watching the movie.
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I think I can overwatch the movie, but have not yet gotten to the point where I've been on-line with you wonderful folks for too long...
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I know exactly what you mean. I'll watch it now and think, What, they have sideburns already? What, it's the divorce scene already? I can't believe how fast it goes -- maybe because after all this time discussing it I've really begun to FEEL those 20 years going by, and I can't adjust to having them pass in 134 minutes.
I also know what you mean about thinking of BetterMost stuff as you watch. It's a running commentary in my mind. Not only the serous analytical posts, but also (maybe especially) the funny ones. For instance, when Aguirre yells "no fucking way" into the phone, I always laugh out loud, thinking of the post on the "Brokeback slang" thread that translated his line as something like, "Absolutely not, you persistent individual!"
And when Ennis drives his truck up and parks under the "Laundromat Entrance in Front" sign, I always laugh thinking of the Cowboy Etiquette thread, and someone's (Ellemeno's?) post saying, "Always park your truck right under the 'entrance in front' sign, so everyone will know what entrance you REALLY like using." After all this time, that still makes me laugh.
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OMG! I do the same thing!!! Or sometimes I'll notice something and say ... "Hmmmm .. I have to remember that so I can discuss it on Bettermost." I am diseased with BBM. Should we start a BBM anonymous group? Except insead of trying to overcome the addiction, I say we feed on it even more! ;)
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OMG! I do the same thing!!! Or sometimes I'll notice something and say ... "Hmmmm .. I have to remember that so I can discuss it on Bettermost."
Yes, same here. But then I get so overwhelmed by the movie that I will have forgotten most of it when returning to the computer. I seriousely contemplated making notices while watching :laugh:
I am diseased with BBM. Should we start a BBM anonymous group?
This group already exists. It's called BetterMost. And yes, we're feeding instead of overcoming - and I enjoy evey single minute of it!
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I said earlier: Should we start a BBM anonymous group? Except insead of trying to overcome the addiction, I say we feed on it even more!
This group already exists. It's called BetterMost. And yes, we're feeding instead of overcoming - and I enjoy evey single minute of it!
You got me there! I completely agree. ;D
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I said earlier: Should we start a BBM anonymous group? Except insead of trying to overcome the addiction, I say we feed on it even more!
You got me there! I completely agree. ;D
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I love you guys! You're the best!
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I'm in the Netherlands. Thank god they don't do overdubbing here, like they do in Germany - it' s horrible. I grew up near the German border, watching German TV, and would see American movies and soap opera`s all with the same generic handful of voices...
Subtitles are the lesser evil, but they do disturb the image. On the DVD, I can thankfully switch them off and just listen to the original English (and then thankfully switch them on again when Ennis starts mumbling...)
Stevenedel -
Welkom in Bettermost! Leuk u te ontmoeten! Jack en Ennis blijven Jack en Ennis in Nederland? Jake en Heath's stemmen? Geen nagesynchroniseer. Prima! :D
I am looking forward to reading your posts here on Bettermost! :)
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. I love you guys! You're the best!
Littlewing... if you all are going to feed your Brokeback Mountain addiction, can I join too? ;)
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Littlewing... if you all are going to feed your Brokeback Mountain addiction, can I join too? ;)
David, are you kidding me? We won't do a thing without you, you know that! You're definitely coming with us!
Feed our Brokeback addiction! I like the sound of that! :)
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David, are you kidding me? We won't do a thing without you, you know that! You're definitely coming with us!
Feed our Brokeback addiction! I like the sound of that! :)
Aw shucks Littlewing! I was hoping you would say that! :)
Actually I can't take credit for the "feed our addiction" phrase though, Diane said it first. It was hers. I thought it was cute too! :)
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Stevenedel -
Welkom in Bettermost! Leuk u te ontmoeten! Jack en Ennis blijven Jack en Ennis in Nederland? Jake en Heath's stemmen? Geen nagesynchroniseer. Prima! :D
I am looking forward to reading your posts here on Bettermost! :)
Hey David, thanks! Nice to meet you, too.
Nee, geen nagesynchroniseer, goddank! - Where did you pick up your Dutch?
Still thinking what I want to do with my addiction - feed it, or let it fade... If letting it fade is possible. I suppose that deep inside I'm kinda hoping this cant be fixed, so I got to stand it...
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Still thinking what I want to do with my addiction - feed it, or let it fade... If letting it fade is possible. I suppose that deep inside I'm kinda hoping this cant be fixed, so I got to stand it...
If I would give up my BBM fix, I would have to say to all of you:
"You have no idea how bad it gets! I'm not you. I can't make it on a couple of high altitute discussions once or twice a year!" ;)
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It can become like a road that's too well traveled, IMO. I have connected to this film unlike any other. Words fail me. I want to write a book on the feelings this film evokes, but I don't want to bore everybody. ;)
I did view BBM constantly the 1st two weeks I had the DVD (I did not catch the theatre release, Tucson is sort of provincial). Once I got over feeling heart-shot (to use an 'Annie-ism'), I could explore the relationship between Jack & Ennis a little more objectively. Now, for me, it's become like an old friend who has a new little subtlety to show me each time I see him.
I suppose one can overwtach the film and then it beomes ennui - yes, even BBM. So I watch it now about once a week. I still see parallels to BBM in my own life all the time, though. Sometimes it takes me by surprise and I feel like the wind has been knocked out of me and then I must see the film again to comfirm the connection.
Damn you, Ennis.
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Hey David, thanks! Nice to meet you, too.
Nee, geen nagesynchroniseer, goddank! - Where did you pick up your Dutch?
Still thinking what I want to do with my addiction - feed it, or let it fade... If letting it fade is possible. I suppose that deep inside I'm kinda hoping this cant be fixed, so I got to stand it...
Mijn grootvader natuurlijk!
He taught my sister and I to speak Dutch as children. Unfortunately as the years have gone by, I have forgotten much of it.
If you decide to feed your addiction, you are more than welcome to join the "Brokeback Addiction Group" Littlewing and I, along with a few others are forming! :)
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Gregg -
I think just about all of us can relate to Brokeback Mountain, sometimes painfully. I think that is what makes this movie so remarkable. It invokes happy, sad, scary, poignant and even desperate feelings in people... at least it does with me. :)
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Gregg -
I think just about all of us can relate to Brokeback Mountain, sometimes painfully. I think that is what makes this movie so remarkable. It invokes happy, sad, scary, poignant and even desperate feelings in people... at least it does with me. :)
Me too... David. And I don't know about others, but if I just hear the opening notes of the guitar in the beginning of the movie, I get serious pangs of pain... deep wounded pain... and I start to sink into the blues again over the loss of Jack and Ennis' distress. The movie has become too painful for me to watch often any more.
I wish there was another story to follow it where Ennis meets someone, gets better, gets happy and even falls in love again with someone like Jack, but this time Ennis gets it right by living with his Love. I'm a sucker for the happy ending.
Rayn
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If I would give up my BBM fix, I would have to say to all of you:
"You have no idea how bad it gets! I'm not you. I can't make it on a couple of high altitute discussions once or twice a year!" ;)
Good one, Diane! I love it.
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Gregg -
I think just about all of us can relate to Brokeback Mountain, sometimes painfully. I think that is what makes this movie so remarkable. It invokes happy, sad, scary, poignant and even desperate feelings in people... at least it does with me. :)
Feelings of being in love so powerful that I shiver!
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Feelings of being in love so powerful that I shiver!
Littlewing -
I am always so happy when I see this movie affected straight people as much as it affected many gay people! :)
Thank you for posting this.
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I think just about all of us can relate to Brokeback Mountain, sometimes painfully. I think that is what makes this movie so remarkable. It invokes happy, sad, scary, poignant and even desperate feelings in people... at least it does with me. :)
I AGREE!! There are some scenes that are so painfully palpable, I can hardly watch. I think that is why I love this film! There is so much truth. It shows these two characters in close up (so close at times that I feel like a fly on the wall). I've heard it described as a "gut punch". I couldn't agree with that analogy more!
Interestingly, I bought the CD .... I wanted to have something to curb the cravings while I was at work on in the car ::) ... Anyway, I was shocked at how the music alone was so powerful. I saw all of the scenes in my head. And then I listened to the lyrics. WOW! I started crying. I couldn't help it ... especially the song, "A Love That Never Grows Old". That is the song that is playing when Jack leaves Ennis after driving 14 hours because he thinks he is going to, finally, have the life with the man he loves. How completely devastating!!!
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I AGREE!! There are some scenes that are so painfully palpable, I can hardly watch. I think that is why I love this film! There is so much truth. It shows these two characters in close up (so close at times that I feel like a fly on the wall). I've heard it described as a "gut punch". I couldn't agree with that analogy more!
Interestingly, I bought the CD .... I wanted to have something to curb the cravings while I was at work on in the car ::) ... Anyway, I was shocked at how the music alone was so powerful. I saw all of the scenes in my head. And then I listened to the lyrics. WOW! I started crying. I couldn't help it ... especially the song, "A Love That Never Grows Old". That is the song that is playing when Jack leaves Ennis after driving 14 hours because he thinks he is going to, finally, have the life with the man he loves. How completely devastating!!!
I have also heard people describe Brokeback Mountain as getting punched or hit. But it felt more like a slap across the face to me. I could easily identify with both Jack and Ennis. I have been both of them at various points of my life. I have been in relationships where I felt like I was left standing in the dust as the other person drove off into the sunset. And I have avoided relationships due to fear or inconvenience only to find out later I was the one who lost out because of my insecurities.
But then, had all these experiences NOT happened, I would not be where I am today; with a very cute and lovable man named Cory who snores loudly, is a terrible cook, breaks things all the time, messes up a room faster than a Tasmanian Devil, and who completely melts my heart every time I look at him. And his eyes light up every time he looks at me.
I guess this is the message of Brokeback Mountain. Being gay is not an easy life. It is hard, confusing, scary, full of disappointments, and yes, even lonliness sometimes. But the road of life is long with many twists and turns along the way, and we never really know what waits for us just over the next bend. And this isn't even really a gay experience. It is a human experience.
Brokeback Mountain is a movie for everyone. :)
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I have also heard people describe Brokeback Mountain as getting punched or hit. But it felt more like a slap across the face to me. I could easily identify with both Jack and Ennis. I have been both of them at various points of my life. I have been in relationships where I felt like I was left standing in the dust as the other person drove off into the sunset. And I have avoided relationships due to fear or inconvenience only to find out later I was the one who lost out because of my insecurities.
But then, had all these experiences NOT happened, I would not be where I am today; with a very cute and lovable man named Cory who snores loudly, is a terrible cook, breaks things all the time, messes up a room faster than a Tasmanian Devil, and who completely melts my heart every time I look at him. And his eyes light up every time he looks at me.
I guess this is the message of Brokeback Mountain. Being gay is not an easy life. It is hard, confusing, scary, full of disappointments, and yes, even lonliness sometimes. But the road of life is long with many twists and turns along the way, and we never really know what waits for us just over the next bend. And this isn't even really a gay experience. It is a human experience.
Brokeback Mountain is a movie for everyone. :)
It's interesting that you say you can identify with Jack and Ennis. I didn't think this way until I read your note. Honestly, I thought it was Jack that I completely identified with. ;D And, yes, that is very true. To love someone you cannot be physically close to (i.e. proximity) and to have a hidden life is unbearable and at times demeaning. But interestingly, when you talked about avoiding relationships, I realized that I did the same thing. Actually, I shouldn't use past tense .... I do the same thing. Sometimes it is so hard to let anyone in .... that fear of rejection. When someone gets too close, I push them away. There have been many times that I have disappointed the people who care about me the most.
Hmmmm ... I think I will be able to watch BBM tonight with different eyes.!
PS I do have one love of my life .... my sweetie Wire Fox Terrier, Asta. He's my little baby and he loves me know matter what!
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PS I do have one love of my life .... my sweetie Wire Fox Terrier, Asta. He's my little baby and he loves me know matter what!
I can't believe I didn't mention the second love of my life... my dog Cody.
Yes. A boyfriend with the name Cory and a 2 year old golden retriever with the name Cody.
Life is interesting and full of surprises! :)
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David - you melt my heart the way you talk about Cory, hold on to that man! Gosh, that's exactly the way I feel about Jan-Willem, but you know that, right? And you put it in words!
I do think there is such a thing as overwatching, I have seen the first half too many times now and I can't make it through the whole movie without skipping the painful scenes: divorce, mexico, etc. Do any of u do that? I have decided that I am not going to watch it again for a month.
I felt the movie was a gut punch, I did not cry, but I did shed a few tears on the plane back to holland and i felt so hollow and sad. My mom cried at the end and she felt really weird when she stepped out of the theater, into broad daylight, she said she had never experienced anything like it be4.
Anyway, do we really WANT to quit BBM?
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I do think there is such a thing as overwatching, I have seen the first half too many times now and I can't make it through the whole movie without skipping the painful scenes: divorce, mexico, etc. Do any of u do that? I have decided that I am not going to watch it again for a month.
I felt the movie was a gut punch, I did not cry, but I did shed a few tears on the plane back to holland and i felt so hollow and sad. My mom cried at the end and she felt really weird when she stepped out of the theater, into broad daylight, she said she had never experienced anything like it be4.
Anyway, do we really WANT to quit BBM?
I hear you! There have been times I have skipped over the really painful scenes. It is just too hard to watch. Mostly, however, I watch from start to finish (unless, of course I have a limited amount of time ... then I just skip over the parts with the women and focus completely on Jack and Ennis.
It is interesting that you say you didn’t cry … I didn’t either. I felt the film took me beyond tears. I came away from the theater feeling like I just went through 12 rounds of an intense fight. I was stunned, exhausted …
I don’t even want to quit, BBM. That is true! I am still not at the place, however, when I can’t watch the film (at least in part) less than once a day. ::)
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I don’t even want to quit, BBM. That is true! I am still not at the place, however, when I can’t watch the film (at least in part) less than once a day. ::)
Yeah, but do you ever get the feelin' that the omph factor is being lessened? Are you perhaps being de-sensitized to the heart-grabbing moments of this film? I hope not Diane!
For me, coming away from my first viewing, the scene that made my tummy flutter was the re-union kiss. hmmmm Yummy! I just loved that scen, my fav! Two days later I had the DVD, and watching it the second time was nice, I was rewarded by the much-anticipated reunion kiss, and it WAS lovely. I have since come to love several other scenes as well for their love / passion / angst:
FNIT
SNIT
Ennis' bleeding nose, when Jack mothers him ;D
the motel scene
sendin' up a prayer a thanks
ah hell those are just some a them .... anyway I discovered this really cool feature on the remote of my DVD player, I call it the looping button, or the "A - B" button. It has worn grooves in parts of my DVD, (the above-mentioned scenes anyway). :D
The down side of all this is that I have felt myself become sort of numbed to the wonderous magical feeling that I used to get, so last week, (oh, about ten days ago) I suddenly went cold turkey. No more wathching Youtube either.
I don't know if I will ever be able to recapture the glow from the first viewings, but I DO NOT want to become immune to the love vibes in this film. Anyway for all the people who can watch the movie over and over, I'm glad. Good fur you!
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Yeah, but do you ever get the feelin' that the omph factor is being lessened? Are you perhaps being de-sensitized to the heart-grabbing moments of this film? I hope not Diane!
The down side of all this is that I have felt myself become sort of numbed to the wonderous magical feeling that I used to get, so last week, (oh, about ten days ago) I suddenly went cold turkey. No more wathching Youtube either.
I don't know if I will ever be able to recapture the glow from the first viewings, but I DO NOT want to become immune to the love vibes in this film. Anyway for all the people who can watch the movie over and over, I'm glad. Good fur you!
Gosh … I can honestly say I have not been desensitized. It still grabs me … the love scenes still make me swoon and shiver. The painful scenes are still hard to watch because the agony is so palpable …. I feel like I am going through it myself. Every time I see it, I hope the ending will change, but it doesn’t. You'd think I'd be getting to the point of overload ... but I am not even close. ;)
I haven’t gotten to the point of giving up this film. You think I would by now, but I just “cain’t” … ya know wha’ I mean?? ;D
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David - you melt my heart the way you talk about Cory, hold on to that man! Gosh, that's exactly the way I feel about Jan-Willem, but you know that, right? And you put it in words!
Melissa, yes I know how you feel about Jan-Willem. You are very lucky to have found him. He is lucky to have you in his life too.
All four of us are fortunate. I didn't realize what I had until I watched Brokeback Mountain several times.
I found there is a lot of good advise in that movie and a few secrets too. I sure am glad I decided to listen! :)
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Whoa, guys...! Please, some compassion with us lonesome doves! We know what we're missing... :-*
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unless, of course I have a limited amount of time ... then I just skip over the parts with the women and focus completely on Jack and Ennis.
I do this, too. I would never skip the painful scenes -- especially the ones at the end. Too beautiful. Nor would I skip the happily beautiful parts that I've watched so often on YouTube that I've probably worn grooves in YouTube. Those I still find as thrilling as ever.
But I can skip huge chunks of the wife parts. And that's what bothers me, what makes me start to feel maybe I should put on the brakes. I don't want to feel anything less than breathlessly riveted by every moment.
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Whoa, guys...! Please, some compassion with us lonesome doves! We know what we're missing... :-*
I'm sorry/Het spijt me... :-*
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But I can skip huge chunks of the wife parts. And that's what bothers me, what makes me start to feel maybe I should put on the brakes. I don't want to feel anything less than breathlessly riveted by every moment.
Now that I can do that .... I like to see the scenes where the guys are together. ;D
It took me awhile to always watch the painful scenes ... especially Jack’s 14 hour trip after Ennis’ divorce. That one always rips my heart out (as do many others). It has gotten to the point, however, that I can’t skip anything. Once I start watching, I want to see the whole thing. I have been very sleep deprived because of it. Oh well! IMO, it’s worth it!
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Whoa, guys...! Please, some compassion with us lonesome doves! We know what we're missing... :-*
Stevenedel -
I'm sorry!
But I am an EXCELLENT matchmaker! I'm not quite sure what I can do since we live on opposite sides of the Atlantic, but I sure will try!
Anything for a fellow Dutchman! :)
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Littlewing -
I am always so happy when I see this movie affected straight people as much as it affected many gay people! :)
Thank you for posting this.
You bet, David. The love I witnessed between Jack and Ennis just seems so right! It seems natural, authentic!
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Stevenedel -
I'm sorry!
But I am an EXCELLENT matchmaker! I'm not quite sure what I can do since we live on opposite sides of the Atlantic, but I sure will try!
Anything for a fellow Dutchman! :)
David, I really appreciate that! I look forward to receiving your first transatlantic shipment... ;) I do have a VERY small front garden, so please no more than 12 candidates at a time.
It's a comfort to know, too, that despite the state this country is in of late, some Dutch still stick together...
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I think I got to the point where I needed to slow down. I was watching the movie EVERYDAY and like some of you mentioned, I realized that I wasn't always paying attention to what was going on later in my viewings. This isn't to say I still don't watch it multiple times in a week though!! :)
No matter how many times I was watching it thought it always made me cry ... a lot! And it still does and now that I'm spreading out my viewing times a little better I think I'm catching a lot more of the smaller details. I'm noticing paintings on the wall and who's petting the dogs etc. Each time I watch the movie its like opening a christmas present. I'm so excited to see what's inside. If I make myself wait a little longer in between viewings the present gets a little bigger :)
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I think I got to the point where I needed to slow down. I was watching the movie EVERYDAY and like some of you mentioned, I realized that I wasn't always paying attention to what was going on later in my viewings. This isn't to say I still don't watch it multiple times in a week though!! :)
No matter how many times I was watching it thought it always made me cry ... a lot! And it still does and now that I'm spreading out my viewing times a little better I think I'm catching a lot more of the smaller details. I'm noticing paintings on the wall and who's petting the dogs etc. Each time I watch the movie its like opening a christmas present. I'm so excited to see what's inside. If I make myself wait a little longer in between viewings the present gets a little bigger :)
I still haven't gotten to the place where I can skip one day. I feel so compelled to watch it! I almost go into withdrawals if I even consider skipping one day. I have also gotten the CD and today I listened to it all day long while at work (literally over and over). There are two songs on there that are killer … lyrics by Bernie Taupin (wrote with Elton John for years) … “A Love That Will Never Grow Old” and “I Don’t Want to Say Goodbye”. You can tell those songs were written for BBM! LOVE THEM!!! Listen to the words … it adds so much to the BBM experience (IMO).
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I still haven't gotten to the place where I can skip one day. I feel so compelled to watch it! I almost go into withdrawals if I even consider skipping one day. I have also gotten the CD and today I listened to it all day long while at work (literally over and over). There are two songs on there that are killer … lyrics by Bernie Taupin (wrote with Elton John for years) … “A Love That Will Never Grow Old” and “I Don’t Want to Say Goodbye”. You can tell those songs were written for BBM! LOVE THEM!!! Listen to the words … it adds so much to the BBM experience (IMO).
Wow, Diane! I envy your many viewings. I wanted to put it on an hour ago but was overruled! ??? I'm lucky to see my beloved brokeback once a month. I agree with you about the soundtrack. I particularly love "The maker makes!"
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Well ... now if we are talking the soundtrack - there isn't a day goes by that I don't listen to that. It's my supplement for the movie *lol* I agree 100% with how "A Love That Will Never Grow Old" and "I Don't Want to Say Goodbye" are perfect for this movie.
I also agree wholeheartedly with the comment about "The Maker Makes" ... I can't make it through that song ... or "He Was A Friend Of Mine" with out getting teary eyed.
I can survive without the movie for a time ... but only with the aide of my lovely soundtrack ;D
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Well ... now if we are talking the soundtrack - there isn't a day goes by that I don't listen to that. It's my supplement for the movie *lol* I agree 100% with how "A Love That Will Never Grow Old" and "I Don't Want to Say Goodbye" are perfect for this movie.
I also agree wholeheartedly with the comment about "The Maker Makes" ... I can't make it through that song ... or "He Was A Friend Of Mine" with out getting teary eyed.
I can survive without the movie for a time ... but only with the aide of my lovely soundtrack ;D
I agree with everything you said ... except the last line. I still can't go one night without my BBM!
BTW, OT - on the chez trembley board ... there are several "fun questionnaires" going on (1,2, and 3). You guys should go out there .. I know you'd have a lot of great opinions!
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I agree with everything you said ... except the last line. I still can't go one night without my BBM!
BTW, OT - on the chez trembley board ... there are several "fun questionnaires" going on (1,2, and 3). You guys should go out there .. I know you'd have a lot of great opinions!
;D It's hard... I have now officially gone 2 weeks without watching a single scene... should we set up some sort of BA meeting, Brokaholics Anonymous?
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;D It's hard... I have now officially gone 2 weeks without watching a single scene... should we set up some sort of BA meeting, Brokaholics Anonymous?
Lordy! Lordy! I still can't do it!
I suggested earlier we start a BA group ... but personally, I enjoy my fix too much. Why give it up!?? ;)
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Lordy! Lordy! I still can't do it!
I suggested earlier we start a BA group ... but personally, I enjoy my fix too much. Why give it up!?? ;)
I can't find a reason to give it up. I'll never give up watching BBM. If someone even hinted that I couldn't watch my movie, read my reviews and fanfic, talk to my fellow Brokies on-line - well, I won't have it! I also enjoy my fix(es). Such a sweet addiction! ;)
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I can't find a reason to give it up. I'll never give up watching BBM. If someone even hinted that I couldn't watch my movie, read my reviews and fanfic, talk to my fellow Brokies on-line - well, I won't have it! I also enjoy my fix(es). Such a sweet addiction! ;)
100% agreement!
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;D It's hard... I have now officially gone 2 weeks without watching a single scene... should we set up some sort of BA meeting, Brokaholics Anonymous?
Melissa, you have gone two weeks without watching Ennis and Jack? Ohhhhh Girl!
Are you experiencing withdrawl symptoms yet? And if so, what are they like? Are they bad? ;)
I can't hardly go one day without my Ennis! :)
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I can't hardly go one day without my Ennis! :)
Tell you what .... I can't go one day with out my Jake .... I mean Jack ... I mean both! ;D
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Tell you what .... I can't go one day with out my Jake .... I mean Jack ... I mean both! ;D
Diane, I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem. :)
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Melissa, you have gone two weeks without watching Ennis and Jack? Ohhhhh Girl!
Are you experiencing withdrawl symptoms yet? And if so, what are they like? Are they bad? ;)
I can't hardly go one day without my Ennis! :)
I'm hanging in there, it's tough, but a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do! ;)
I keep telling myself that maybe next time I watch it it will feel like the first time I saw it... :D
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I keep telling myself that maybe next time I watch it it will feel like the first time I saw it... :D
I've probably said this already on this thread, but after seeing it eight times in theaters, I went two months without watching it (though fortified by frequent visits to YouTube). When I finally did it was like ... well, not my first time exactly, but maybe like my second or third time.
Then I watched it a bunch more, so I'm up to about 15. Now I'm taking another hiatus -- even mostly staying away from YouTube! -- and am hoping that in the fall when I watch it again, I'll recapture the magic of, oh, the sixth or seventh time!
:D
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I've probably said this already on this thread, but after seeing it eight times in theaters, I went two months without watching it (though fortified by frequent visits to YouTube). When I finally did it was like ... well, not my first time exactly, but maybe like my second or third time.
Then I watched it a bunch more, so I'm up to about 15. Now I'm taking another hiatus -- even mostly staying away from YouTube! -- and am hoping that in the fall when I watch it again, I'll recapture the magic of, oh, the sixth or seventh time!
:D
Okay ... I'm clueless. Fill me in on YouTube! What is it?
I still can't take a hiatus. I'm just not there yet. It still hits me like the first time I saw it.
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Okay ... I'm clueless. Fill me in on YouTube! What is it?
I still can't take a hiatus. I'm just not there yet. It still hits me like the first time I saw it.
Do you mean what is YouTube in general, or what clips on YouTube are BBM related? In answer to the first, it's a site where people can post their own videos. Some are amateurish, but many are quite good.
As for BBM, a lot of them are clips from the movie mixed around and set to music, like a music video. It sounds schlocky, and in a way I guess it is, but some are surprisingly compelling. A few I have watched many times. (Yet another thing that a year ago I would never have believed I'd ever be doing.) Then there are various BBM-related things like awards ceremonies and stuff.
One classic is simply four scenes from the movie stitched together. It's called "4 Nights in 20 Years," and it's the two tent scenes, plus the motel scene, plus the final night campfire scene. It really helped get me through that 2-month hiatus. If you could wear grooves in a website by overwatching a video ... ;)
If you're interested, let me know and I'll post a few links.
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Do you mean what is YouTube in general, or what clips on YouTube are BBM related? In answer to the first, it's a site where people can post their own videos. Some are amateurish, but many are quite good.
As for BBM, a lot of them are clips from the movie mixed around and set to music, like a music video. It sounds schlocky, and in a way I guess it is, but some are surprisingly compelling. A few I have watched many times. (Yet another thing that a year ago I would never have believed I'd ever be doing.) Then there are various BBM-related things like awards ceremonies and stuff.
One classic is simply four scenes from the movie stitched together. It's called "4 Nights in 20 Years," and it's the two tent scenes, plus the motel scene, plus the final night campfire scene. It really helped get me through that 2-month hiatus. If you could wear grooves in a website by overwatching a video ... ;)
If you're interested, let me know and I'll post a few links.
Please post a few links. I know about Youtube but haven't had a chance to watch . A link or two would be greatly appreciated! :)
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You know, there was a period of time I don't think I could have survived without the "4 nights in 20 years", and another one with the Reunion clip. "4 nights......" has more than 60,000 views recorded by now and a fair share of those has to be mine.
I'll be curious to see if the other links to music videos etc. that will be posted are the same ones I used to play, too. :)
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Hi Mikaela:
To which one with the Reunion are you referring? I have been vitallly interested in viewing all the clips of the Reunion, I am looking a for a specific sequence of clips, so if you still know which one compelled you to watch it over and over, can you please post the link?
tks, Mikaela
J
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Here it is. But it's a straight-forward clip, of pretty poor quality, so I doubt this can be the one you're looking for. Tided me over anyway back then, since the 4 nights in 20 years doesn't have the reunion (except the motel).
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Hey Mikaela,
check this out.... this is what I have been after, only the audio is too low on this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD72Cvq6n-Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD72Cvq6n-Y)
How do you like it? I had to special-order it. :D
J
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How do you like it?
"Like" is too weak a word. I love it. Not that I don't empathize with Alma's plight and all, but........ the reunion kisses, especially when seen on their own like this, have smoke coming out my ears. Even more smoke then when I watch the film proper, I should say.
That has *got* to be the most passionate kissing ever put on screen. So yeah. I do certainly more than like it.
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For folks with HBO on Demand, you'll be able to watch the movie over and over again.... Keep in mind there aresome of our users who saw the film in theaters well over 30 times! It was an amazing experience for a lot of people.
I recall seeing in the theatre and not being impacted by it until I was driving home. By the following morning, I fell apart in the shower and then spent at least a week in a complete daze.
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...never enough...
now i am even expanding to inviting my buddies and sister to watch it...
regular dose is 2 times a week.
can't be more than that otherwise Hubby will seize the DVD and send it out to mama house and tell her that i am watching a gay movie...