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Our BetterMost Community => Chez Tremblay => Topic started by: slayers_creek_oth on June 28, 2006, 02:36:15 pm
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I know lots of you are finished with the AMPAS and I don't blame you....but I'm tryin to settle a debate here and would appreciate some help...so please...for a friend...forget about the past for 5 minutes and help me if you can...thanks in advance...
Ok here goes...
Peter Jackson in 2003 won 3 Oscars...one for Best Director, one for Best Screenplay and one for Best Picture...he won as a director, writer and producer...correct? Ok so as many of you know...once you win an Oscar or sometimes are just nominated...you are invited to become a voter...HOWEVER you have to vote in your respective category...directors vote for Best Director, actors vote for the acting categories, writers for the screenplay categories etc....and then they all get to vote on Best Picture.
So here the dilema...since Peter Jackson (assuming he's a voter) has won 3 Oscars in 3 different categories...does he get to vote in all of those categories? Does he get to vote for Best Director, Best Screenplay and as a producer....and still vote for Best Picture? That make sense...in other words does he have the power of 3 voters...
Anyone know?
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:) well, if it had been a question about a movie, I could help - but this is more technical and my knowledge is limited in that
area but it sounds logical that he would have the power of three different votes for those separate categories but only one
vote (of course) for best picture...................... :)
Where is RT when you need him??? ???
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:) well, if it had been a question about a movie, I could help - but this is more technical and my knowledge is limited in that
area but it sounds logical that he would have the power of three different votes for those separate categories but only one
vote (of course) for best picture...................... :)
Where is RT when you need him??? ???
Alright...no prob! Thanks....
I'm just glad it made sense...LOL
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My understanding has always been that writers *nominate* writers, directors *nominate* directors, etc., but that the whole AMPAS body nominates Best Picture. When it comes to actual voting among the nominees, the whole body votes for every category. The only caveat is that all voters have to certify they've seen the Best Foreign Film and Best Documentary Feature in order to vote in those categories (so I guess they have specific screenings for those you have to sign something or have a receipt showing you attended?).
I'm not absolutely sure of all this. But I do remember there often being talk about the reason the directors of the five Best Picture nominees aren't always the same five directors nominated for Best Director is that only directors can nominate directors, but the whole body of the Academy nominates Best Picture. And I read an article in Entertainment Weekly a week or so before Black Sunday that had interviews with an actor, producer and screenwriter (anonymously), asking them who/what they'd voted for in all the categories and why - that's what leads me to think everyone gets to vote for pretty much all the categories.
Oh, and I thought that once you get *nominated* (i.e., it's not required that you win), you are an honorary member of the Academy.
But you can also be *invited* to be a member (and thus vote) without ever having been nominated - kinda like the National Honor Society in school - you don't have to have any actual merit - you just have to be popular. Grrrrrrr... I read about all this after the Final Blow in March. Yet another reason I'm beyond totally done with them.
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I'm not sure of this. But I do remember there often being talk about the reason the directors of the five Best Picture nominees aren't always the same five directors nominated for Best Director is that only directors can nominate directors, but the whole body of the Academy nominates Best Picture.
Yep that is exactly how it works....so the actors nominated and vote for the acting categories, directors nominate/vote for Best Director, writers nominate/vote for the screenplays BUT they also can nominate/vote for Best Picture...
But my question is...since Peter Jackson is both a writer and director....does he get to nominate/vote for Best Screenplay and Best Director and then of course Best Picture....ya know?
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But my question is...since Peter Jackson is both a writer and director....does he get to nominate/vote for Best Screenplay and Best Director and then of course Best Picture....ya know?
Yes. Because every member of the Academy gets to vote for Best Picture. Period. And yes, he'd still get to nominate in those other categories. And I still think everybody gets to *vote* in all the categories, too, but maybe I'm wrong on that particular point.
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But does he get one Best Picture vote, or three? It's got to be one, don' it?
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But does he get one Best Picture vote, or three? It's got to be one, don' it?
Just one. And it doesn't matter what, if anything, you win as far as how you get to vote or whether you get to be in the Academy - you get to be in the Academy just by being nominated (or by being recommended by someone who's already in). And once you're in, you get to vote for Best Picture.
The only thing I'm unsure of is whether everyone can vote, once the nominees are announced and the ballots are sent out, on every category or just on the ones that are their area of expertise. I'm pretty sure they can all vote in every category (just once! :)) at this point, except Foreign Film and maybe Documentary Feature because I think they have to certify that they saw all five nominees in each first.
IMO, they should have to certify that they saw all five Best Picture nominees in order to vote in that category, too. But I'll tell you what, even if they change it so they do that, I ain't watching again. Screw them and the horse they rode in on.
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IMO, they should have to certify that they saw all five Best Picture nominees in order to vote in that category, too. But I'll tell you what, even if they change it so they do that, I ain't watching again. Screw them and the horse they rode in on.
I was just coming in here to add this, "Just to beat a dead horse (again), why the hell aren't they required to certify that they saw all 5 of the Best Pic nominees?" [Elle puts down her horsebeater, exhausted by the AMPAS crap.]
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I was just coming in here to add this, "Just to beat a dead horse (again), why the hell aren't they required to certify that they saw all 5 of the Best Pic nominees?" [Elle puts down her horsebeater, exhausted by the AMPAS crap.]
[Barb picks up Elle's horsebeater]Because that would require them to plausibly explain themselves whenever they fuck up to Biblical proportions like they did on March 5, 2006?[Barb puts the horsebeater back down again and reminds herself how important a thing it is that she's not bitter.]
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Yes. Because every member of the Academy gets to vote for Best Picture. Period. And yes, he'd still get to nominate in those other categories. And I still think everybody gets to *vote* in all the categories, too, but maybe I'm wrong on that particular point.
Yep I know that...every member of the AMPAS gets to vote for Best Picture regardless of your occupation...
HOWEVER...only actors get to vote for Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress! And only directors get to vote for Best Director...and writers for Best Screenplay(s) etc...
The smaller categories are only open to those whom has won in those categories...so Ang Lee can now vote for Best Director and Best Picture but cannot vote for Best Actor...he didn't win an acting Oscar...therefore he doesn't have that voting power...
Make sense? I know that for sure...but my only question was because Jackson won for Best Screenplay AND Best Director...does he get to vote in both those categories...and then of course Best Picture (which I already know he gets to vote in)....
I should have been more clear...sorry..
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Yep I know that...every member of the AMPAS gets to vote for Best Picture regardless of your occupation...
HOWEVER...only actors get to vote for Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress! And only directors get to vote for Best Director...and writers for Best Screenplay(s) etc...
The smaller categories are only open to those whom has won in those categories...so Ang Lee can now vote for Best Director and Best Picture but cannot vote for Best Actor...he didn't win an acting Oscar...therefore he doesn't have that voting power...
Make sense? I know that for sure...but my only question was because Jackson won for Best Screenplay AND Best Director...does he get to vote in both those categories...and then of course Best Picture (which I already know he gets to vote in)....
I should have been more clear...sorry..
I don't see why he wouldn't get to vote in both categories if he's won in both. But those aren't what I'd consider "smaller categories," either, so what does it matter whether he's won or not? Doesn't everyone in the Academy get to vote, once the nominations are in, in these categories?
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Tell you what - here's a link to all the rules, at least for the most recent ones (the 78th). Gotta love Google. :)
http://www.oscars.org/78academyawards/rules/rule05.html (http://www.oscars.org/78academyawards/rules/rule05.html)
For what it's worth, number 7 under Rule 6 (Acting Awards) says this:
"7. Final voting for the Acting Awards shall be restricted to active and life Academy members."
In other words, everyone gets to vote for the acting awards once the nominations are in - doesn't matter if they've won anything, let alone that particular award.
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In other words, everyone gets to vote for the acting awards once the nominations are in - doesn't matter if they've won anything, let alone that particular award.
But of course you usually have to have won or be nominated for something in order to be invited as an Academy member...and I didn't mean any particular award...I just meant in general...
Thanks for your help Barb...
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But of course you usually have to have won or be nominated for something in order to be invited as an Academy member...and I didn't mean any particular award...I just meant in general...
Thanks for your help Barb...
I remember reading shortly after the latest awards that getting *nominated* gave you an automatic membership, but that you could also be invited by active members. Hence the reason why Sarah Jessica Bleeding Parker (who admitted she hadn't seen any of the nominees before voting) is a member. I'm guessing either Matthew Broderick or some close friend has been nominated and so "invited" her. Blech.
And you're welcome. :)