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Title: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 16, 2008, 02:16:53 am
Expressions You Hate!

They are officially the world's most annoying words - phrases and sayings that make people want to scream.

Researchers at Oxford University have drawn up the fairly unique list and, at the end of the day, the top offenders are: "fairly unique" and "at the end of the day."

They said the phrase "at this moment in time" was simply a long-winded and unnecessary way of saying "now", while "I personally" was a redundancy - using two words in succession that have the same or similar meanings.

The list appeared in a recently published book, "Damp Squid: The English Language Laid Bare."

Author, Jeremy Butterfield, said "We grow tired of anything that's repeated too often - an anecdote, a joke, a mannerism - and the same seems to happen with some language. People don't like long-windedness. They dislike a phrase being flogged to death."

The list was created from a study of the Oxford University Corpus, a database that monitors the use of English in published and broadcast material.

Anyone reading my posts will be aware that I personally am fond of using some of these expressions. Yikes! It's a nightmare!

How about you? With all due respect, are you also inclined to use some of these expressions? Are there any that you absolutely detest? Vote for as many as you like. It's not rocket science! If your favourite most-hated expression isn't listed, choose "Other" and tell us what it is. Vote for as many as you like.

I look forward to reading your responses!
   :D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on November 16, 2008, 02:21:44 am
"folks"....HATE that word...
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 02:23:07 am
Actually none of those expressions annoy me Kerry! Does that mean I'm a prude? :laugh:

;) ;)

I remember when I worked at the nursing home years ago, people kept saying the word "per". They'd say something like "We are now to check the resident's water pitchers each hour PER Scott". Or "David, you are to handle all the showers tonight PER the charge nurse".

That really got on my last nerve! Per! Per! Per!! Go buy a cat why don't ya?! :laugh:

:P :P

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 16, 2008, 02:28:07 am
"folks"....HATE that word...

I agree, Jess. It's so darn . . . um . . . ah . . . folksy!   ;)   :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: pnwDUDE on November 16, 2008, 02:33:22 am
I hate when someone say, "Well, we'll just see about thaaaat".

They are always defensive, wrong or both.

Brad
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 16, 2008, 02:33:47 am
Actually none of those expressions annoy me Kerry! Does that mean I'm a prude? :laugh:

;) ;)

I remember when I worked at the nursing home years ago, people kept saying the word "per". They'd say something like "We are now to check the resident's water pitchers each hour PER Scott". Or "David, you are to handle all the showers tonight PER the charge nurse".

That really got on my last nerve! Per! Per! Per!! Go buy a cat why don't ya?! :laugh:

:P :P



I can see how that would be terribly aggravating when used over and over, David.  >:(  Tell 'em to go "Per Off!"  ;)   :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on November 16, 2008, 02:34:09 am
I agree, Jess. It's so darn . . . um . . . ah . . . folksy!   ;)   :laugh:

and it always seems to be some guy in a suit...faking that he 'knows' country 'folk'... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 02:37:27 am
Jess and Brad, you failed to vote! Please go back and do so! PER David!  :laugh:  :laugh:

 ;)  ;)

This IS a poll after all! ;)

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: pnwDUDE on November 16, 2008, 02:39:09 am
Jess and Brad, you failed to vote! Please go back and do so! PER David!  :laugh:  :laugh:

 ;)  ;)

This IS a poll after all! ;)



Whatever (woops, a term I hate ;D ).
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 16, 2008, 02:39:49 am
I hate when someone say, "Well, we'll just see about thaaaat".

They are always defensive, wrong or both.

Brad

Yes, I agree. And it sounds somewhat threatening to me.  :(
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 02:43:35 am
Oh I just thought of another one! Brad made me think of it!

Whoopsie Daisies!

Yeah. That gets on my nerves! Hugh Grant said it once (and I'm a huge Hugh Grant fan) and even I wanted to box his ears for saying it! :laugh:

(Thank you Brad for voting!)

Kerry, You didn't vote either, and you started this poll! Go vote!! ;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 16, 2008, 02:44:50 am
Jess and Brad, you failed to vote! Please go back and do so! PER David!  :laugh:  :laugh:

 ;)  ;)

This IS a poll after all! ;)



Absolutely!  ;)   ;)   ;)   :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: pnwDUDE on November 16, 2008, 02:50:36 am
Whoopsie Daisies!

It's whoopsie daisy, and don't include that. My sweet grandma uses it all of the time, and I think it is precious.

Brad
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 02:56:33 am
It's whoopsie daisy, and don't include that. My sweet grandma uses it all of the time, and I think it is precious.

Brad

MY grandmother said Whoopsie DAISIES too (it was a popular phrase back in the early and middle 1900's) BUT it gets on my nerves when I hear people my age using it. I'm sorry I offended you Brad, but I won't apologize for what gets on my nerves and what doesn't. 

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: pnwDUDE on November 16, 2008, 02:59:16 am
MY grandmother said Whoopsie DAISIES too (it was a popular phrase back in the early and middle 1900's) BUT it gets on my nerves when I hear people my age using it. I'm sorry I offended you Brad, but I won't apologize for what gets on my nerves and what doesn't. 

David, you didn't offend me by any stretch. I've just never heard that phrase from anyone under 80   ;)

Brad
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 03:07:57 am
David, you didn't offend me by any stretch. I've just never heard that phrase from anyone under 80   ;)

Brad

Watch the movie Notting Hill and see for yourself. I almost threw an apple through my television screen.

When old people say it it doesn't bother me. When somebody my age says it, well.... >:(

.....it gets on my nerves. :laugh:

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: pnwDUDE on November 16, 2008, 03:13:08 am
When somebody my age says it, well.... >:(
.....it gets on my nerves. :laugh:

Sure enough.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on November 16, 2008, 03:24:13 am
Jess and Brad, you failed to vote! Please go back and do so! PER David!  :laugh:  :laugh:

 ;)  ;)

This IS a poll after all! ;)



so BOSSY...see what happens when you get all activisty??
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 03:33:59 am
so BOSSY...see what happens when you get all activisty??


Well YOU ended up voting didn't you?

So it worked! ;)

Kerry, you may thank me now! ;) :-*
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 03:37:12 am
Here's another one....

"run amok"

Amok? ???

I think of something all green and slimy looking when I hear it. :P

A slimy swamp or the creeping crud or something.

Amok. YUCK!!!!

Hey that rhymes too! ;)



Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 16, 2008, 05:01:08 am



       I hate when people on the news say  "according to unnamed sources."   How can someone be
a valid source, when they are not even willing to give their name?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Nevermore on November 16, 2008, 06:00:31 am
None of them really irk me, though I remember when I was living in the UK and "at the end of the day" was the phrase du jour--I remember a hilarious interview with Geri Halliwell where she used it like, ten times, including "At then end of the day, in the morning..."
'Under the bus" gets my vote for the hackneyed expression of the election season, and "meme" became one of those words like "paradigm" and "meld" that are deployed to display intellectual-with-it-ism and seem to emerge from the ether into common usage rapidly enough to go from obscurity to majorly annoying in a couple of days. In fact there's another one--"out of the ether."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 16, 2008, 09:04:10 am

Well YOU ended up voting didn't you?

So it worked! ;)

Kerry, you may thank me now! ;) :-*

THANK YOU, DAVID! :-*   :-*   

Your experience with "per" reminds me of an expression I hate - and I'm  the one who uses it!  :-\  It's "per se." God knows where I picked it up. Probably at work. I'm acutely aware how pretentious it sounds. I don't seem to have any power over it. It just slips out, of its own accord, when I least expect it!  ;)   :laugh:

Speaking of bad habits acquired at work, I remember my boss going through a stage a couple of years ago when she started using a whole range of particularly weird buzz words when making a presentation. It was probably back in the 90s when they were relatively new. We are all familiar with "level playing field" which has become part of the language.  One that I am particularly glad did not take off is "helicoptering" - excuse the pun. (Yetch! I also hate it when people say "excuse the pun.") Apparently, "helicoptering" means to look at the big picture as a whole, as if you were viewing it from above. The boss only ever used it once and was nearly laughed off the podium.  ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: optom3 on November 16, 2008, 11:51:59 am
When I was back in England I used to hate the phrase, love as in shop assistants saying, will that be all love? I am not their love.

My kids had also started to say, like at the end of each sentence, as in you know like, always going up at the end. Grrrr.

I also hate corporate motivating phrases such as, there is no I in team, and let's make sure we are all singing from the same song sheet.!!!

Personally I really over use the word, really, and just. It was just so annoying and I really don't beleve.

Hundreds more but that will do for the time.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 16, 2008, 05:21:21 pm
I picked just "fairly unique" and "shouldn't of."

"Shouldn't of" is just plain grammatically wrong, or, if, not, it's substandard English. Expand "shouldn't" and you end up with "should not of." That's just wrong. The expression should be "should not have," as in, "You should not have done that," or, "You shouldn't have done that." If you are writing dialogue, I suppose you could write, "You shouldn't 've done that."

"Unique," like "pregnant," is something that either you are or you aren't. There is no such thing as degrees of uniqueness.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: southendmd on November 16, 2008, 07:32:13 pm
Don't get me started!  I have lots of language pet peeves.  Most involve bad grammar, but I think Kerry's thread is more about annoying, trite phrases.

My latest:  going forward.  Can't stand it.  I once heard an introductory speech by a colleague who used the phrase in every  sentence.  (He later resigned because of "health" problems, which turned out to be a sex scandal, but, no connection, I'm sure.  ::))

I'm with Jeff about modifying "unique".  Can't be done!

One more:  I could care less.  No!  Think about it...if you could care less, you could care less.  The real phrase is I couldn't care less.  As in, there is nothing about which I could care less. 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: MaineWriter on November 16, 2008, 08:01:56 pm
At this point in time...time has no points. It should be "at this time."

I can't stand personifcation: "Hospitals trust Tylenol." No, hospitals don't trust Tylenol. The nurses and doctors inside the hospital might trust Tylenol, but the hospital itself has no opinion on the matter.

L
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Lynne on November 16, 2008, 08:07:05 pm
Language is very cool and funny to think about.  I tend to pick up expressions from people fairly easily, then I have to wonder - how did that happen??  It's been going on my whole life, though...I am a sponge...assimilate or die...etc.

When I was hanging out in Harvard Square, it was hip-hop speak like "Word" to emphasize a point.

An old boyfriend got me in the habit of "Back in the day"...at least I didn't pick up "old school" from him.  :P  Worse than genital warts, I swear!

And of course "I swear" and "Tell you what", though I could argue that those shouldn't count.  ;)

Lately it's Buffy-speak like "<adjective>, much?" and making adverbs out of any words that come to mind.

My #1 peeve expression, though, is "rule of thumb."  This phrase never fails to annoy me since I first learned its history - evidently it refers to the diameter of the rod a man was allowed to use to beat his wife during Colonial days. :-\
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 16, 2008, 08:44:11 pm
I picked just "fairly unique" and "shouldn't of."

"Shouldn't of" is just plain grammatically wrong, or, if, not, it's substandard English. Expand "shouldn't" and you end up with "should not of." That's just wrong. The expression should be "should not have," as in, "You should not have done that," or, "You shouldn't have done that." If you are writing dialogue, I suppose you could write, "You shouldn't 've done that."

"Unique," like "pregnant," is something that either you are or you aren't. There is no such thing as degrees of uniqueness.

I think when I say it I say "shouldn't have" but with my twangy Indiana accent it sounds like "of". Actually I guess I'm saying "shouldn't huv". (huv=have). Or something like that anyway! :)

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Shasta542 on November 16, 2008, 09:24:34 pm
I think when I say it I say "shouldn't have" but with my twangy Indiana accent it sounds like "of". Actually I guess I'm saying "shouldn't huv". (huv=have). Or something like that anyway! :)



"Should've", the contraction for "should have" sounds like "should of" when articulated. Maybe that's why "shouldn't have" sounds like "shouldn't of" -- it's all run together like a contraction!  :P You could just say "shoulda" and "shouldna".  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: mariez on November 16, 2008, 09:52:04 pm
I voted for "With all due respect"  b/c it's almost always followed by something insulting. 

It's the same when someone says "I don't want to open up a can of worms, but...."  Well, of course they do.  They're about to do just that!   :-\

Irregardless is also a pet peeve.  And I would be perfectly happy to never again hear "think outside the box."

Marie
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 16, 2008, 10:27:32 pm
'Under the bus" gets my vote for the hackneyed expression of the election season, and "meme" became one of those words like "paradigm" and "meld" that are deployed to display intellectual-with-it-ism and seem to emerge from the ether into common usage rapidly enough to go from obscurity to majorly annoying in a couple of days. In fact there's another one--"out of the ether."

Isn't that one of those annoying performers who don't say a word?

 ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 12:32:38 am
Oh I just thought of another one! Brad made me think of it!

Whoopsie Daisies!

Yeah. That gets on my nerves! Hugh Grant said it once (and I'm a huge Hugh Grant fan) and even I wanted to box his ears for saying it! :laugh:

(Thank you Brad for voting!)

Kerry, You didn't vote either, and you started this poll! Go vote!! ;)

Haha - In Oz we say Whoopser Daisy, usually as an exclamation when, for example, someone trips and nearly falls over.  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 12:38:00 am
None of them really irk me, though I remember when I was living in the UK and "at the end of the day" was the phrase du jour--I remember a hilarious interview with Geri Halliwell where she used it like, ten times, including "At then end of the day, in the morning..."
'Under the bus" gets my vote for the hackneyed expression of the election season, and "meme" became one of those words like "paradigm" and "meld" that are deployed to display intellectual-with-it-ism and seem to emerge from the ether into common usage rapidly enough to go from obscurity to majorly annoying in a couple of days. In fact there's another one--"out of the ether."


I'm familiar with "at the end of the day", "paradigm", "meld" and "out of the ether", but have never heard of "under the bus" and "meme". Can you give me examples of "under the bus" and "meme"? I'm curious.  :)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on November 17, 2008, 12:41:30 am
I'm familiar with "at the end of the day", "paradigm", "meld" and "out of the ether", but have never heard of "under the bus" and "meme". Can you give me examples of "under the bus" and "meme"? I'm curious.  :)

Obama threw his grandmother under the bus..(he used her to deflect attention from himself)

think of a group of people traveling in a bus together...then one gets thrown off the bus and the bus runs over them...it is a betrayal, they thought they were one of you, that they were safe. It is not a good thing to do.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 12:45:49 am
When I was back in England I used to hate the phrase, love as in shop assistants saying, will that be all love? I am not their love.

My kids had also started to say, like at the end of each sentence, as in you know like, always going up at the end. Grrrr.

I also hate corporate motivating phrases such as, there is no I in team, and let's make sure we are all singing from the same song sheet.!!!

Personally I really over use the word, really, and just. It was just so annoying and I really don't beleve.

Hundreds more but that will do for the time.

Are they fans of the Aussie soap, "Neighbours", Fiona? I understand an entire generation of British kids has acquired the unfortunate Australian habit of  putting an upward inflection at the end of every sentence, thanks to the popularity of "Neighbours" in the UK.  :)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Lynne on November 17, 2008, 12:48:58 am
I'm familiar with "at the end of the day", "paradigm", "meld" and "out of the ether", but have never heard of "under the bus" and "meme". Can you give me examples of "under the bus" and "meme"? I'm curious.  :)

I looked 'meme' up awhile back because I was interested in how it came into common usage; the internet seems to be fertile ground for meme propagation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 12:51:45 am
Obama threw his grandmother under the bus..(he used her to deflect attention from himself)

think of a group of people traveling in a bus together...then one gets thrown off the bus and the bus runs over them...it is a betrayal, they thought they were one of you, that they were safe. It is not a good thing to do.

I'm still not grasping exactly how that works, Jess.  ::)

Can you put "under the bus" in a sentence for me, so I can see it in situ? (Don't you just hate that expression "in situ"?!)

And "meme"?   
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on November 17, 2008, 12:55:51 am
I'm still not grasping exactly how that works, Jess.  ::)

Can you put "under the bus" in a sentence for me, so I can see it in situ? (Don't you just hate that expression "in situ"?!)

And "meme"?   

I did!

"Obama threw his grandmother under the bus"

He was giving a speech about race and called her a racist...she was his grandmother and he took a cheap shot at her to save himself.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 01:01:08 am
Don't get me started!  I have lots of language pet peeves.  Most involve bad grammar, but I think Kerry's thread is more about annoying, trite phrases.

My latest:  going forward.  Can't stand it.  I once heard an introductory speech by a colleague who used the phrase in every  sentence.  (He later resigned because of "health" problems, which turned out to be a sex scandal, but, no connection, I'm sure.  ::))

I'm with Jeff about modifying "unique".  Can't be done!

One more:  I could care less.  No!  Think about it...if you could care less, you could care less.  The real phrase is I couldn't care less.  As in, there is nothing about which I could care less. 

Spot on, Paul! Everyone is certainly very welcome to air their pet grammar, punctuation and syntax peeves, but my main aim here was to have a bit of a giggle together about "annoying, trite phrases" that we love to hate.  :D  
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 01:04:28 am
I did!

"Obama threw his grandmother under the bus"

He was giving a speech about race and called her a racist...she was his grandmother and he took a cheap shot at her to save himself.

Beg pardon, Jess. I didn't pick-up on that in your previous post. I'm having a slow brain day.  ::)

Thanks for explaining.  :D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 01:12:12 am
I think when I say it I say "shouldn't have" but with my twangy Indiana accent it sounds like "of". Actually I guess I'm saying "shouldn't huv". (huv=have). Or something like that anyway! :)

It's also pronounced "shouldn't huv" (speed talk for "should not have") in Oz, David.   :) 

When written, it's "shouldn't have"; though, I've also seen "shouldn't've".
 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 01:14:16 am
Isn't that one of those annoying performers who don't say a word?

 ;)  ;D

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 17, 2008, 01:17:55 am
I looked 'meme' up awhile back because I was interested in how it came into common usage; the internet seems to be fertile ground for meme propagation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Ta muchly, Lynne.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on November 17, 2008, 01:26:56 am
One phrase I hate is "get a life." Another one is "Don't worry." I decide what to worry about and what not to worry about! Because of this, I have a problem with the Aussie "no worries." I wish more people would learn to say, "You're welcome" instead of "no worries" or "no problem."

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: southendmd on November 17, 2008, 10:42:48 am
Ta muchly, Lynne.

Ta muchly might just become one of my new favorite phrases!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on November 17, 2008, 11:07:02 am
I picked just one...   Shouldn't of or more to the point should of....

There's no changing whats already happened, so wasitng time wondering shouldnt of or should of isnt going to get you anywhere.

It goes right along with coulda, woulda, if only....  You get the point!  there's no changing whats already done.  Accept it and move on.  damn :P
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on November 17, 2008, 03:08:26 pm
I picked the same one as BrokebackDev but for different reasons: Shouldn't of

Is that as in  "I should not of done that?"   Obviously the correct way is "Shouldn't HAVE" .  It's amazing how many intelligent people substitute OF for HAVE, it's certainly rampant on the net.

English is not my first language and I know I often mangle my sentences but this OF business drives me NUTS!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 17, 2008, 03:15:36 pm
English is not my first language and I know I often mangle my sentences but this OF business drives me NUTS!

I would never have guessed. Seriously!  :)

And I work with the language for a living.

Or should I say, "I would never of guessed"?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on November 17, 2008, 04:17:20 pm
I would never have guessed. Seriously!  :)

And I work with the language for a living.

Or should I say, "I would never of guessed"?  ;D

Thanks Jeff!  What I neglected to mention is that I have become less proficient in my first language, both when speaking and writing it.  But yes, my first language - the one we spoke at home while growing up - is french.  I've been slowly losing it since moving to Toronto, so now I have an accent both in English AND in French.  :'(
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: LauraGigs on November 17, 2008, 05:11:53 pm
Great thread!  Yeah, I hate expressions that are either trite as hell, grammatically incorrect, or redundant.

Thing is, they become accepted parts of our language if used often enough.

Such as impact — as a verb.   ::)   As in, "how will this impact you?" (Teeth get impacted, not people.)  Why can't you just say affect?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 17, 2008, 05:43:25 pm
Such as impact — as a verb.   ::)   As in, "how will this impact you?" (Teeth get impacted, not people.)  Why can't you just say affect?

Maybe because too many people can't tell the difference between affect and effect?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on November 17, 2008, 09:54:54 pm
Shouldn't of   >:(

And my worst offender - supposably.  >:( >:(

It's either probably or supposedly, not a combined word!!!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Lynne on November 17, 2008, 09:56:27 pm
Shouldn't of   >:(

And my worst offender - supposably.  >:( >:(

It's either probably or supposedly, not a combined word!!!

I've seen 'probably' contracted to 'prolly' in written fiction.  Makes me nuts. ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on November 17, 2008, 10:01:50 pm
I've seen 'probably' contracted to 'prolly' in written fiction.  Makes me nuts. ::)

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

That's another hated word.  It's not even a word.  People tell me they use it because it's faster than writing/saying probably, but prolly doesn't even look like the word probably and if it's too much trouble in a conversation to enunciate two extra syllables, then I suggest one should go home and get some rest!!!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on November 17, 2008, 10:04:36 pm
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

That's another hated word.  It's not even a word.  People tell me they use it because it's faster than writing/saying probably, but prolly doesn't even look like the word probably and if it's too much trouble in a conversation to enunciate two extra syllables, then I suggest one should go home and get some rest!!!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Lynne on November 17, 2008, 10:05:46 pm
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

That's another hated word.  It's not even a word.  People tell me they use it because it's faster than writing/saying probably, but prolly doesn't even look like the word probably and if it's too much trouble in a conversation to enunciate two extra syllables, then I suggest one should go home and get some rest!!!

 :laugh: :laugh:

Word, Del.

 ;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 17, 2008, 10:21:19 pm
And my worst offender - supposably.  >:( >:(

It's either probably or supposedly, not a combined word!!!

How would you even use that in a sentence?  ???
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on November 17, 2008, 10:30:49 pm
How would you even use that in a sentence?  ???

Use what?  Supposably?

Anywhere you would use the word "supposedly"
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Lynne on November 19, 2008, 02:56:37 am
I looked 'meme' up awhile back because I was interested in how it came into common usage; the internet seems to be fertile ground for meme propagation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

and check here for "meme" used with a complete lack of consideration:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,102.msg440301.html#msg440301

;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on November 19, 2008, 04:10:46 am
I've seen 'probably' contracted to 'prolly' in written fiction.  Makes me nuts. ::)

In the American Midwest, (and Indiana in particular) "probably" is often contracted to "prob'ly".

"He "prob'ly" got his just dues when his wife found out about his gambling problems".
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: LauraGigs on November 19, 2008, 03:36:11 pm
MarieZ, word (sorry Lynne, heehee) on think outside the box.  I'm looking for a job right now, and run into these stupid job description cliches all the time! 

Such as:  "We're looking for a team player who can think outside the box and hit the ground running . . . etc. etc. etc."

Especially since if you think too far outside the box, they tend to assume you're not a team player.   ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 19, 2008, 04:12:43 pm
MarieZ, word (sorry Lynne, heehee) on think outside the box.  I'm looking for a job right now, and run into these stupid job description cliches all the time! 

Such as:  "We're looking for a team player who can think outside the box and hit the ground running . . . etc. etc. etc."

Especially since if you think too far outside the box, they tend to assume you're not a team player.   ::)

I remember once attending a course, where the emphasis was on being a team player.

During a break, I approached the facilitator and explained that I wasn't comfortable working in a team setting.

Her response? She said, "Imagine you're a team of one."

Yetch!  :(
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on November 19, 2008, 04:29:54 pm
I always laugh when I hear someone say:

"I don't mean/want to complain, but"

I want to say to them, "then don't".......Obviously you want to complain, so why preface it with that?  The same can be said "I'm sorry if I shouldn't say/do this" and then they say it or do it anyway.

 :laugh:

One that truly annoys me is "conversate".  "You and I are gonna have to conversate."  I had someone say that to me, and I replied with...

"No, we can either converse about something, or we can have a conversation, but we can't "conversate."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on November 19, 2008, 05:09:52 pm
I always laugh when I hear someone say:

"I don't mean/want to complain, but"

I want to say to them, "then don't".......Obviously you want to complain, so why preface it with that?  The same can be said "I'm sorry if I shouldn't say/do this" and then they say it or do it anyway.

 :laugh:

One that truly annoys me is "conversate".  "You and I are gonna have to conversate."  I had someone say that to me, and I replied with...

"No, we can either converse about something, or we can have a conversation, but we can't "conversate."

The people who say "I don't want to be any trouble" usually are.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Monika on November 19, 2008, 05:46:47 pm


Her response? She said, "Imagine you're a team of one."

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 19, 2008, 11:57:52 pm
I always laugh when I hear someone say:

"I don't mean/want to complain, but"

And "I'm not a racist, but . . . . "   :-\
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 20, 2008, 09:49:42 am
a team of one."

For some unfathomable reason, the United States Army has adopted the slogan, "An Army of One," in its recruiting ads.  :-\
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on November 20, 2008, 10:31:17 am
I picked the same one as BrokebackDev but for different reasons: Shouldn't of

Is that as in  "I should not of done that?"   Obviously the correct way is "Shouldn't HAVE" .  It's amazing how many intelligent people substitute OF for HAVE, it's certainly rampant on the net.

English is not my first language and I know I often mangle my sentences but this OF business drives me NUTS!

I began to type shouldn't have because I do know thats the way to use proper english,  but thats how it was read so thats how I used it.  :)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on November 20, 2008, 10:44:56 am
Plus you've got to remember we use a lot of slang when speaking the american engilish language, so we tend to use it when we are writing informal things like IDK message boards!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: LauraGigs on November 20, 2008, 12:08:54 pm
For some unfathomable reason, the United States Army has adopted the slogan, "An Army of One," in its recruiting ads.

An attempt to give recruits an illusion of individuality.

Which will quickly be lost, since Army Basic Training is all about stripping them of that individuality. . .      ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: RouxB on November 21, 2008, 01:30:14 am
I pretty much hate all sporting meta4s

I also reject "no offense, but" because it prolly means I'm about to be thrown under the bus.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on November 21, 2008, 12:56:15 pm
I also reject "no offense, but" because it prolly means I'm about to be thrown under the bus.

That's also how I feel about "no worries." When you hear that, it's time to start worrying.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 21, 2008, 01:06:03 pm
That's also how I feel about "no worries." When you hear that, it's time to start worrying.


Prolly shouldn't use "No worries" if you're not Australian. Doesn't that come from "No worries, mate"? Isn't that Australian usage? Kerry?  ???

And then, of course, there is the cousin of "No worries," namely "Not to worry."  :-\
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on November 21, 2008, 01:12:45 pm
Prolly shouldn't use "No worries" if you're not Australian. Doesn't that come from "No worries, mate"? Isn't that Australian usage? Kerry?  ???

And then, of course, there is the cousin of "No worries," namely "Not to worry."  :-\

There's that hated "Prolly" again!  ;D
It sounds like a cross between Pram and Trolley.
"Clang clang clang, goes the Prolly!"
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on November 21, 2008, 01:19:41 pm
There's that hated "Prolly" again!  ;D
It sounds like a cross between Pram and Trolley.
"Clang clang clang, goes the Prolly!"

It's an e-proll-demic!!

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 21, 2008, 05:59:47 pm
Prolly shouldn't use "No worries" if you're not Australian. Doesn't that come from "No worries, mate"? Isn't that Australian usage? Kerry?  ???

And then, of course, there is the cousin of "No worries," namely "Not to worry."  :-\

"No worries" is used extensively throughout Oz.  It is used as a sunny, upbeat exclamation of camaraderie and trust.  Unlike such expressions as "I'm not a racist, but . . . ," it has no hidden, darker, ulterior connotations. It means exactly what it says. I use it as "No worries," minus the "mate". Australians do not have exclusive copyright over "No worries". Feel free to use it at your leisure!  :D

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 21, 2008, 08:51:20 pm
At seen in the "Lexicon" column of the Nov. 24, 2008, edition of Time magazine:

Philanthrocapitalism

n. - Also known as venture philanthropy.  A business-like approach to charity.

Usage: "Leading philanthrocapitalists are giving away unprecedented amounts of money - Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are together handing out about $3.5 billion a year through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation."
- New York Times
Nov. 11, 2008

Cold as philanthrocapitalism charity.  :-\
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on November 21, 2008, 11:47:10 pm
"No worries" is used extensively throughout Oz.  It is used as a sunny, upbeat exclamation of camaraderie and trust.  Unlike such expressions as "I'm not a racist, but . . . ," it has no hidden, darker, ulterior connotations. It means exactly what it says. I use it as "No worries," minus the "mate". Australians do not have exclusive copyright over "No worries". Feel free to use it at your leisure!  :D

Thanks, Kerry!

No worries!  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on November 27, 2008, 09:13:53 pm
I use "no worries" all the time, but when someone tells me something that they think I'll take badly.

something like:

"Chuck, I have to cancel our dinner plans!  I'm sorry!"

"No worries!"
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on November 27, 2008, 09:57:10 pm
Recent greetings that I have heard that just stop me dead in my tracks because I have no idea how to respond:

You get a call from someone or you call someone and the first words out of their mouths are:

"Hey, whadda ya know?"


Dead stop.  Train of thought instantly derails, conversation ball rolls under the couch.  Is he asking me a question?  Is he thinking out loud?  What do I know?  I know lots of things... how, what?  WTF do I say to something like that?

Similar to this is

"Hey what have you been up to?"

And they're not really asking. This isn't an opening conversation gambit, it's just something said as a greeting.  What have I been up to?  Slam on the conversation brakes.  Screeeeeeeeeeeeech.  I've been up to a lot and nothing at all, WTF do I say to something like that? 

Usually I respond "Nothing" which is really lame and again, the conversation dies to an uncomfortable pause.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 27, 2008, 11:34:20 pm
Recent greetings that I have heard that just stop me dead in my tracks because I have no idea how to respond:

You get a call from someone or you call someone and the first words out of their mouths are:

"Hey, whadda ya know?"


Dead stop.  Train of thought instantly derails, conversation ball rolls under the couch.  Is he asking me a question?  Is he thinking out loud?  What do I know?  I know lots of things... how, what?  WTF do I say to something like that?

Similar to this is

"Hey what have you been up to?"

And they're not really asking. This isn't an opening conversation gambit, it's just something said as a greeting.  What have I been up to?  Slam on the conversation brakes.  Screeeeeeeeeeeeech.  I've been up to a lot and nothing at all, WTF do I say to something like that? 

Usually I respond "Nothing" which is really lame and again, the conversation dies to an uncomfortable pause.

I would accept both such greetings as rhetorical salutations, similar to "Hello, how are you?" As such, IMHO, a simple "Hello" or "Hi there" would suffice, by way of response. This is open to interpretation, of course, and one can choose to be more literal in one's response, should one choose to do so, with something like "Hi. Not a lot! You?"

When someone greets me with "Hello, how are you?" my standard response is "Fine thank you. How are you?" or simply "Fine thanks. You?" Even though I'm aware the initial greeting was rhetorical, I still respond as I do, as a matter of courtesy.  :D

I've never seen someone struck speechless when asked "How are you?" when greeted such, but I have seen such a greeting open a real Pandora's box, whereby the greetee takes the greeting literally and proceeds to rattle off, ad nauseam, a lengthy diatribe of health problems.  ::)

I guess there are no fixed rules. I have a dear old friend who always greets me with, "Hi Kerry! What are you doing?" whenever he phones. It's his cute way of saying "Hello!" Because we've been friends for over 30 years, I always respond literally with "Washing up" or "Making the bed" or whatever it was I was doing when the phone rang. We laugh and get on with our conversation. I've recently taken to greeting him in the same way, when I phone him, with "What are you doing, George?"  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on November 28, 2008, 12:06:02 am
I would accept both such greetings as rhetorical salutations, similar to "Hello, how are you?" As such, IMHO, a simple "Hello" or "Hi there" would suffice, by way of response. This is open to interpretation, of course, and one can choose to be more literal in one's response, should one choose to do so, with something like "Hi. Not a lot! You?"

When someone greets me with "Hello, how are you?" my standard response is "Fine thank you. How are you?" or simply "Fine thanks. You?" Even though I'm aware the initial greeting was rhetorical, I still respond as I do, as a matter of courtesy.  :D

I've never seen someone struck speechless when asked "How are you?" when greeted such, but I have seen such a greeting open a real Pandora's box, whereby the greetee takes the greeting literally and proceeds to rattle off, ad nauseam, a lengthy diatribe of health problems.  ::)

I guess there are no fixed rules. I have a dear old friend who always greets me with, "Hi Kerry! What are you doing?" whenever he phones. It's his cute way of saying "Hello!" Because we've been friends for over 30 years, I always respond literally with "Washing up" or "Making the bed" or whatever it was I was doing when the phone rang. We laugh and get on with our conversation. I've recently taken to greeting him in the same way, when I phone him, with "What are you doing, George?"  :laugh:


I actually LIKE when someone asks that question....because it gives you an opening to get off the phone if you need to. I will answer my mother for example every time she calls because she has chronic health problems...so when she asks 'what are you doing?' I can answer her honestly, I am watching TV (and she knows I can talk) OR I can say something like "I am just walking out the door to give a lesson" (and she knows I CAN"T talk and I will call her back)

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on November 28, 2008, 07:09:23 am
I actually LIKE when someone asks that question....because it gives you an opening to get off the phone if you need to. I will answer my mother for example every time she calls because she has chronic health problems...so when she asks 'what are you doing?' I can answer her honestly, I am watching TV (and she knows I can talk) OR I can say something like "I am just walking out the door to give a lesson" (and she knows I CAN"T talk and I will call her back)

That reminds me, I often respond "Talking to you" when George asks "What are you doing?"  ;D

Here in Oz, it's what we call "Stating the bleeding obvious."  ;)   :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on November 29, 2008, 02:16:05 pm
That reminds me, I often respond "Talking to you" when George asks "What are you doing?"  ;D

Here in Oz, it's what we call "Stating the bleeding obvious."  ;)   :laugh:

I do that a lot when I get calls at work, but I say it with sarcasm.  People know they're not calling me at home.  They know it's the middle of the workday and they start of the call with

Hey, what are you doing?

I reply, Working  ::)

I guess I get stumped with those earlier examples of greetings because anything I say would be a non-sequitur.

Them:  Hey, whaddaya know?
Me:  I"m fine thanks, and you?

Them:  Hey, what have you been up to?
Me:  I'm good thanks, and you?

It's like we're not even in the same conversation and I'm completely ignoring what they say and instead going with what they - probably - mean.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 29, 2008, 04:00:55 pm
My two "others":

1)  "anymore" for "nowadays"

2)  cutesy-poo euphemisms like "dayum" instead of "damn."  Either say it or don't.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 29, 2008, 04:06:55 pm
MarieZ, word (sorry Lynne, heehee) on think outside the box.  I'm looking for a job right now, and run into these stupid job description cliches all the time! 

Oh, that too -- job descriiption cliches!

how about "driven" as a euphemism for "we want somebody who's going to work himself half to death and have no life outside of the workplace"?    ;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: jstephens9 on November 29, 2008, 04:48:47 pm
"young uns" ........ I still hate that word or phrase or whatever it is. I remember people saying things like "The young uns can sit over there."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on November 29, 2008, 05:16:53 pm
Oh, that too -- job descriiption cliches!

how about "driven" as a euphemism for "we want somebody who's going to work himself half to death and have no life outside of the workplace"?    ;)

Or "empower," as in, "We're going to empower you to [take on extra tasks]" as a euphemism for "We're going to cut positions and add to the workload of you remaining employees without increasing your pay."


In reading the list above, I realize I say several of them! For example, I often say, 'I personally,' as a sort of shorthand for IMHO. As in, "You may think such and such thing, but I personally do not believe it." Hope everyone hasn't been secretly seething about it!  ;)


"young uns" ........ I still hate that word or phrase or whatever it is. I remember people saying things like "The young uns can sit over there."

I hate that, too, especially when applied to adults who are younger than the speaker.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on November 30, 2008, 12:58:09 pm

2)  cutesy-poo euphemisms like "dayum" instead of "damn."  Either say it or don't.

You know, I never thought this was a 'cute' way of saying it.  Maybe it's because I'm from the southern states?  I always thought this was someone saying "damn" or "shit" with a southern accent emphasis

"Dayum"

or

"sheeit"

They are saying it.  It's just with an emphatic accent.

I think what falls under your definition of cutesy are words like "beeoytch" for "bitch".  But again, I don't think it's so much cutesy as a form for "polite" conversation.  ;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: jstephens9 on November 30, 2008, 01:12:20 pm
"that's it in a nutshell".......I don't really hate it, but it sounds stupid
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 01, 2008, 01:44:28 pm
Recent greetings that I have heard that just stop me dead in my tracks because I have no idea how to respond:

You get a call from someone or you call someone and the first words out of their mouths are:

"Hey, whadda ya know?"


Dead stop.  Train of thought instantly derails, conversation ball rolls under the couch.  Is he asking me a question?  Is he thinking out loud?  What do I know?  I know lots of things... how, what?  WTF do I say to something like that?

Similar to this is

"Hey what have you been up to?"

And they're not really asking. This isn't an opening conversation gambit, it's just something said as a greeting.  What have I been up to?  Slam on the conversation brakes.  Screeeeeeeeeeeeech.  I've been up to a lot and nothing at all, WTF do I say to something like that? 

You're supposed to answer, "Not much...you?" especially if you are from Wisconsin.  ;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 01, 2008, 02:21:02 pm
I think what falls under your definition of cutesy are words like "beeoytch" for "bitch".  But again, I don't think it's so much cutesy as a form for "polite" conversation.  ;)

Um, how the heck is that pronounced, anyway?  ??? Three syllables? "Bee-oy-tich"? Two syllables? "Bee-oytch"?  ???
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 01, 2008, 04:29:31 pm
Um, how the heck is that pronounced, anyway?  ??? Three syllables? "Bee-oy-tich"? Two syllables? "Bee-oytch"?  ???

What I usually hear is "beee-ahch."

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 01, 2008, 09:05:10 pm
Um, how the heck is that pronounced, anyway?  ??? Three syllables? "Bee-oy-tich"? Two syllables? "Bee-oytch"?  ???

I've heard bee-oytch.  :)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 01, 2008, 09:40:58 pm
I've heard bee-oytch.  :)

Oytch? Like, rhyming with the first syllable of Deutschland?


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Lynne on December 01, 2008, 09:42:09 pm
Xander coined the term 'bitca' for bitch and I find myself using it sometimes!  :D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 01, 2008, 10:27:16 pm
Quote from: delalluvia on November 27, 2008, 08:57:10 PM
Recent greetings that I have heard that just stop me dead in my tracks because I have no idea how to respond:

You get a call from someone or you call someone and the first words out of their mouths are:

"Hey, whadda ya know?"

Dead stop.  Train of thought instantly derails, conversation ball rolls under the couch.  Is he asking me a question?  Is he thinking out loud?  What do I know?  I know lots of things... how, what?  WTF do I say to something like that?

Similar to this is

"Hey what have you been up to?"

And they're not really asking. This isn't an opening conversation gambit, it's just something said as a greeting.  What have I been up to?  Slam on the conversation brakes.  Screeeeeeeeeeeeech.  I've been up to a lot and nothing at all, WTF do I say to something like that?
                 -----------------------------------------


      Always makes me want to say "nothing thats any of your business."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: LauraGigs on December 01, 2008, 10:30:42 pm
Same with "What's up?"

Conversation killer.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 01, 2008, 10:48:35 pm
Tell you what, when I'm in a particularly cranky mood (happens a lot lately  ;D ) I even tend to get annoyed with, "How are you?"

Look, half the people don't even listen to the response, or even to themselves when they say it. It's just said sort of automatically.

And nobody really wants a catalogue of your aches, pains, and assorted other troubles in response.

And the typical response, "Fine, thank you," is just as annoying. You could be coughing up a lung from TB and you'd still automatically say, "Fine, thank you," and the other person won't even really hear it!  >:(

Maybe I should have filed this one under "Bitch, bitch, bitch"?

Or is it "Bee-yotch, bee-yotch, bee-yotch"?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 02, 2008, 11:19:36 am
Tell you what, when I'm in a particularly cranky mood (happens a lot lately  ;D ) I even tend to get annoyed with, "How are you?"

I get asked this a lot. Seems that "hello" is not considered enuff ennimore. It always makes me stop and do a self-inventory. I suddenly realize I've been running on automatic pilot. I usually answer either "It's too early to say" or "I guess I will make it to the finish line." Or I'll say "I'm vertical...that's enuff for now."

Then there are beautiful days (like today, when it's 50 degrees and a lovely sunrise) when I say, "I'm great...who wouldn't be on a day like this?" It's probably good we don't work together, friend Jeff. You would find me impossibly chirpy.

Maybe I should have filed this one under "Bitch, bitch, bitch"?

Or is it "Bee-yotch, bee-yotch, bee-yotch"?  ;D
hehe! :D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 02, 2008, 12:03:36 pm
It's probably good we don't work together, friend Jeff. You would find me impossibly chirpy.

Probably. I don't do "chirpy" before 10 a.m., and even then only after a lot of coffee. ...  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 02, 2008, 01:45:38 pm
I kind of like it when I'm, say, passing a stranger on the sidewalk, and they say, "How's it going?" But even "hi" is fine. What I don't like is when I pass someone -- I don't mean on a crowded sidewalk, but when the two of us are the only ones around -- and they don't say anything, or even make eye contact.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 02, 2008, 02:37:12 pm
Or if you're in Wyoming, friend. I've seen you positively crowing there!

What I don't like is when I pass someone -- I don't mean on a crowded sidewalk, but when the two of us are the only ones around -- and they don't say anything, or even make eye contact.

Yes, I hate to feel invisible myself too. And it happens more and more as I get older. Sometimes I get the urge to head south where people are friendlier when that happens to me too much.

Another thing I do is stare at people if they refuse to look at me. I figure they deserve it.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 02, 2008, 02:42:40 pm
Yes, I hate to feel invisible myself too. And it happens more and more as I get older. Sometimes I get the urge to head south where people are friendlier when that happens to me too much.

I find them friendlier in Minnesota than I did in New Orleans. And of course friendlier in New Orleans than they were in New York.

I realize part of it has to do with the population. If you got in the habit of saying "Hi" to everyone you passed in New York, you'd be carted off in about two days. But when you do occasionally find yourself passing someone on an echoing empty street, it's weird when they don't say anything.

The other thing is, I've noticed that whether or not people say "Hi" does not tell you much about how friendly they actually are. New Yorkers might not say "Hi," but if they see you looking lost, they'll often stop and offer directions. And Minnesotans sure as heck aren't going to let you pass without a "Hi" (usually), but they won't necessarily invite you to dinner.

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Another thing I do is stare at people if they refuse to look at me. I figure they deserve it.

I do that, too!  ;D

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Mikaela on December 02, 2008, 02:52:48 pm
Anything that starts with "Why don't you...."

It's a cultural thing. When I started out in my first job, I had an English-speaking boss who would review my work and then go "why don't you... check this, write that, etc" I thought he was asking me why I hadn't actually thought of doing whatever it was, and was therefore indicating my work was inadequate. I felt the direct question was very rude. Then as I got more proficient in English I realized it's just a way of suggesting a course of action. But my feeling about the "why don't you's" still sticks with me since then.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 02, 2008, 03:24:24 pm
Anything that starts with "Why don't you...."

It's a cultural thing. When I started out in my first job, I had an English-speaking boss who would review my work and then go "why don't you... check this, write that, etc" I thought he was asking me why I hadn't actually thought of doing whatever it was, and was therefore indicating my work was inadequate. I felt the direct question was very rude. Then as I got more proficient in English I realized it's just a way of suggesting a course of action. But my feeling about the "why don't you's" still sticks with me since then.

You probably didn't mean this to be hilarious, but I laughed out loud at this! I could imagine you thinking your boss actually required an answer ("Well, why don't you? Hunh? Hunh??"). The perils of language translation!

I remember years ago hearing an example of a perfectly logical phrase by someone whose English was her second language. In answer to, "Do you think it will rain today during the picnic?" she said, "I don't hope so!" For some reason, that sounds "wrong" (the usual phrase would be, "I hope not") even though there's really nothing wrong with it.

Back to "Why don't you do such and such" -- the one I really hate is "I need you to do such and such."

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Mikaela on December 02, 2008, 03:48:10 pm
"Well, why don't you? Hunh? Hunh??"

That was exactly what I thought I *heard* him say!  :laugh:  The perils of language translation and cultural nuances, indeed.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Penthesilea on December 02, 2008, 04:13:48 pm
Anything that starts with "Why don't you...."

It's a cultural thing. When I started out in my first job, I had an English-speaking boss who would review my work and then go "why don't you... check this, write that, etc" I thought he was asking me why I hadn't actually thought of doing whatever it was, and was therefore indicating my work was inadequate. I felt the direct question was very rude. Then as I got more proficient in English I realized it's just a way of suggesting a course of action. But my feeling about the "why don't you's" still sticks with me since then.


I agree, to me the phrase "Why don't you ...?" also sounds like "Why haven't you already ...?"


An expression I absolutely disike it "trash". Not the word itself. It's fine as long as it is used for  - trash of course; garbage, rubbish, waste.

But I hate the American way of naming (groups of) humans "trash": "trailer trash", "white trash"

It's absolutely humiliating. Of course the English language also has other derogatory words for people. As does German. But somehow naming human beings "trash" is completely unacceptable for me.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 02, 2008, 04:34:32 pm
It's absolutely humiliating. Of course the English language also has other derogatory words for people. As does German. But somehow naming human beings "trash" is completely unacceptable for me.

Me too. Especially "white trash," because that's not only demeaning, it's also racist. People who use the term don't always seem to realize this.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 02, 2008, 05:00:58 pm
Me too. Especially "white trash," because that's not only demeaning, it's also racist. People who use the term don't always seem to realize this.



Probably not when it's a white person using it about another white person, but I can see how it still is, even then.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on December 02, 2008, 05:32:36 pm
Another thing I do is stare at people if they refuse to look at me. I figure they deserve it.

An elderly nun gave me some good advice many years ago. This was in the days when nuns wore habits and traveled in pairs. The public persona of your average nun back then was expected to be demure, silent, eyes cast down. She told me about a trick of the trade that had been developed by nuns, for dealing with people who would stare at them in public. You stare right back. No, not into their eyes. You stare at their feet. She said they will soon start to shuffle their feet, followed by tucking them under their chair, and will eventually look away. She said this was particularly useful in doctors' waiting rooms and on trains. Try it yourself. I have, and it works.  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 02, 2008, 07:13:01 pm
Probably not when it's a white person using it about another white person, but I can see how it still is, even then.

I think it is especially then. It's not an insult to white people (except whoever it's referring to), it's an insult to black people. That is, and I can't think of any non-awful way to say this, when someone uses that phrase they're implying that some white people are trash and some white people aren't. Whereas with black people, implicitly, there's only one category.

Whenever I hear someone say this who I know doesn't mean to sound racist, I shudder.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 02, 2008, 08:37:09 pm
Probably not when it's a white person using it about another white person, but I can see how it still is, even then.

Dunno.  Like the descriptor 'red-neck', some people take pride in the expression that they're "trailer park trash."

Go figure.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 02, 2008, 09:04:05 pm
Dunno.  Like the descriptor 'red-neck', some people take pride in the expression that they're "trailer park trash."

Go figure.

That seems like one of those situations where a group reclaims a slur for its own use. Even people who use it humorously to describe themselves probably wouldn't be thrilled with being called that.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 02, 2008, 09:46:06 pm


      How about "do you mind?"   Or its twin,  "hope you dont mind."

  You certainly arent allowed to say 'yes.  I do mind.""  That makes you the ass for saying so.  It
stops them from taking the onus for getting you to do something you dont really want to do, without being able to
say so.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on December 02, 2008, 09:57:10 pm
I get annoyed when people say "they are thinking outside the box" or "they are pushing the envelope".

First of all, both of those phrases are WORN OUT now. And secondly, "pushing the envelope" doesn't make any sense. At least not in the context they are using it.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on December 02, 2008, 10:43:41 pm

      How about "do you mind?"   Or its twin,  "hope you dont mind."

  You certainly arent allowed to say 'yes.  I do mind.""  That makes you the ass for saying so.  It
stops them from taking the onus for getting you to do something you dont really want to do, without being able to
say so.

I work with a woman who says "Do you mind?" a lot. When she says it, especially in the way she does, couched in grinning, sycophantic faux-camaraderie, you know  she actually means "Do it now!"  She is very passive-aggressive and dangerously unstable with it.  I work with so many absolutely wonderful people. Alas, she is not one of them! 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 02, 2008, 10:45:23 pm
Me too. Especially "white trash," because that's not only demeaning, it's also racist. People who use the term don't always seem to realize this.

Probably not when it's a white person using it about another white person, but I can see how it still is, even then.

I think it is especially then. It's not an insult to white people (except whoever it's referring to), it's an insult to black people. That is, and I can't think of any non-awful way to say this, when someone uses that phrase they're implying that some white people are trash and some white people aren't. Whereas with black people, implicitly, there's only one category.

That's exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 02, 2008, 10:50:34 pm
Dunno.  Like the descriptor 'red-neck', some people take pride in the expression that they're "trailer park trash."

Go figure.

I have a friend who revels in being "South Jersey Trailer Trash." He feels it frees him from having to observe certain bourgeois standards of life and behavior.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 02, 2008, 11:48:13 pm
I have a friend who revels in being "South Jersey Trailer Trash." He feels it frees him from having to observe certain bourgeois standards of life and behavior.

Exactly.  I'm not sure who said it but something similar was said when Britney Spears got busted driving with one of her sons sitting on her lap.  Or when she was smoking her cigs in front of her sons and the kid grabbed a lighter. 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 04, 2008, 12:39:53 pm
One term that annoys me is "vajayjay".

 ::)

For people who may not have heard this, from what I understand this is the origin of the word.

The creator of the TV show Grey's Anatomy was having issues with scripts that contained the word "vagina".  Rather than bump heads with censors, whenever needing to refer to a woman's anatomy, they created the word "vajayjay" to take the place of "vagina".

 ::)


Of course, people picked up on it, and now you can hear the word "vajayjay" in conversation.  What the hell is so wrong with the word "vagina" that this had to take place?

 ??? >:(
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 04, 2008, 01:24:23 pm
Funny, Chuck, I was just thinking about this last night for some reason. Either I have telepathy and knew you were going to bring it up, or I just like to sit around contemplating terms for genitalia.  :laugh:

Anyway, what I decided is that many people are uncomfortable saying either "vagina" or "penis" in casual conversation. Sounds too ... seriously anatomical or something. So they come up with cutesy names for those parts.

When my boys were really little, some of their daycare providers called it "bobo" and others called it "peepee." My older son put them together. So we took to calling it "peepeebobo." At least then when they screamed it out in the grocery store, other shoppers didn't always know what they were talking about.

Of course now that they are teenagers, they have graduated to "wiener" but, thankfully, no longer scream it out in the grocery store. And they never refer to the other thing at all.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 04, 2008, 01:28:46 pm
I have a friend who revels in being "South Jersey Trailer Trash." He feels it frees him from having to observe certain bourgeois standards of life and behavior.

I was at a Harry Connick concert (front row, center, thanks to ticketwizard EDelMar) and he referred to himself as Louisiana trailer trash. It didn't ring quite right with me, but it helped when he started taking off clothes while tap dancing!

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 04, 2008, 01:31:19 pm
What's wrong with pussy and dick? Funny that a show called "Grey's Anatomy" would have problems with names of anatomical parts!!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 01:32:35 pm
I was at a Harry Connick concert (front row, center, thanks to ticketwizard EDelMar) and he referred to himself as Louisiana trailer trash. It didn't ring quite right with me, but it helped when he started taking off clothes while tap dancing!

I should think not. The son of the former district attorney of New Orleans ain't trailer trash.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 01:34:54 pm
What's wrong with pussy and dick?

Well, Webster's notes that both are usually considered vulgar.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 04, 2008, 01:49:41 pm
I should think not. The son of the former district attorney of New Orleans ain't trailer trash.

I was just going to say the exact same thing! Except I wasn't going to say "ain't," because I am not grammar trash.

(Kidding, Jeff, I know you're not either -- I'd never apply that label to anyone bothered by incorrect use of "unique." BTW, how do you stand on "hopefully?" I have decided to go with it, because there's just no good concise alternative that doesn't sound silly. Hopefully, the grammar cops will give it the green light soon.)

"[noun] trash" has become a cute self-deprecating way to refer to oneself. But it works better if it's not quite so far-fetched.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 04, 2008, 02:05:05 pm
Jeff: Webster's been dead a long time, and anything that's good enuff for Annie [GEFA] is good enuff for me! Besides, they're not as cutesy as "Veejay" and "poopie" or whatever. Same goes for "ain't" -- GEFA!

I'm with you on "hopefully" Katherine...though hopefully, people will not use it too often!!

This is not something I hate but it's starting to get on my nerves...people who say BTW when talking rather than by the way. Also those who say WTF or LOL or ROFLOL or BBF, etc. Those things are fine on the boards or texting, but not in a business meeting FCOL!!

How about expressions we love? Can we discuss those too? The other day my friend Rodney said his dog could destroy a ball in "two shakes of a lamb's tail." I love that expression!!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 04, 2008, 02:07:57 pm
Some business expressions that leave me cold:

"On a going forward basis"

"Circle back..."

"Swim lane"

You bet, friend Scott! And, to add to that list, I HATE "team player" and "strategic." One time I heard someone actually say "strategic strategies." I almost strangled him, in a strategic way, of course!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 04, 2008, 02:11:55 pm



          Well I know I am the "older" generation, but I have the idea that the generation older than me, that are older still,
They get very sensitive about the language.  They are not used to hearing the more broad form of those parts
being used in public.  It doesnt bother me at all, but if my mom was still alive, I know that they would bother her a
great deal.
          She was raised southern lady and felt that only,,,"trailer trash" used those terms.  A real lady didnt say that
kind of thing.. I dont mind using euphemisms, if it makes others more comfortable.  Although any of the regular
terms that you chose would be fine with me.
          I think simply, its just a generational thing.. JMO.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 04, 2008, 02:14:43 pm





ou bet, friend Scott! And, to add to that list, I HATE "team player" and "strategic." One time I heard someone actually say "strategic strategies." I almost strangled him, in a strategic way, of course!


     Now, thats funny.  I dont care who you are... :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 02:32:33 pm
I was just going to say the exact same thing! Except I wasn't going to say "ain't," because I am not grammar trash.

 ;D

Quote
Kidding, Jeff, I know you're not either -- I'd never apply that label to anyone bothered by incorrect use of "unique."

 ;D Thanks!

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BTW, how do you stand on "hopefully?" I have decided to go with it, because there's just no good concise alternative that doesn't sound silly. Hopefully, the grammar cops will give it the green light soon.

We all fall off the grammar wagon now and then, especially in speaking. In writing I will go out of my way to rewrite to avoid misusing hopefully. It doesn't require much effort to change, "Hopefully, we'll go tomorrow" to, "I hope we can go tomorrow," for example.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 02:35:35 pm
Jeff: Webster's been dead a long time, and anything that's good enuff for Annie [GEFA] is good enuff for me! Besides, they're not as cutesy as "Veejay" and "poopie" or whatever. Same goes for "ain't" -- GEFA!

Well, FRiend Lee, when you've got a coupla Pyoolitzers under your belt, like Annie, you go right ahead and dick and pussy all you want. ...

 ;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 02:36:31 pm
"Swim lane"

In business?  ???
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 02:45:37 pm
Yeah, it's the fancy new way of saying process flow, which was the previous fancy way of saying how to get something.

But how, on earth, do you use it in a sentence?  ???
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 04, 2008, 02:48:14 pm
In business?  ???

Just another one of the many sportstalk steals, right!?

'Nother hateful business expression is adding "technical" to anything. An exclusionary tactic. Technical writing, technical analysis, technical this and that. Hey, it ain't rocket science, folks!

My all-time favorite error to hate is those who say "those that say. . . " I HATE it when people confuse "that" and "who"!!

(How many people have a copy of Eats, Shoots & Leaves on their bookshelf right now?!?

(Stay tuned for more on my favourite anatomical euphemisms LOL!!!)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 04, 2008, 02:57:07 pm
We all fall off the grammar wagon now and then, especially in speaking. In writing I will go out of my way to rewrite to avoid misusing hopefully. It doesn't require much effort to change, "Hopefully, we'll go tomorrow" to, "I hope we can go tomorrow," for example.

To me, "hopefully" and "I hope" have slightly different connotations. "I hope" seems an expression of more personal desires, while "hopefully" more readily includes the listener, and maybe even fate in general. Also, "I hope" seems more iffy, whereas "hopefully" seems more or less assured.

For example, "I hope we can go tomorrow," seems more like a personal wish for a prospect that's far from guaranteed. "Hopefully, we'll go tomorrow" it seems mutually agreed upon, and pretty likely to happen if all goes well.

"One hopes we'll go tomorrow" or "It is to be hoped we'll go tomorrow" are closer matches to the misused "hopefully," but it is to be hoped that one doesn't have to hear them in conversation.


Yeah, it's the fancy new way of saying process flow, which was the previous fancy way of saying how to get something.

Hunh? OK, so what's "process flow"?


I HATE it when people confuse "that" and "who"!!

I'm with you there, FRiend!

Here's another one: "The boss wants to talk to Sally and I." This one makes me kind of sad, because it's someone trying their best to be grammatically correct (they know not to say, "Sally and me want to talk to the boss") but they're trying too hard! I always want to gently tell them to take Sally out of the sentence and see how it sounds. But I usually bite my tongue because I don't want the speaker to get mad at I.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 04, 2008, 03:29:50 pm
Here are two of my Mom's pet peeves...

"preventative"

and

"I don't care..." (as in, she asks someone what he or she prefers for dinner and the person says "I don't care."  To her this implies that she shouldn't even bother.  But, I think some people see "I don't care" as implying "any option would be fine with me.")
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 04, 2008, 03:36:53 pm
Wow, I'm behind the times.  (An expression I probably wouldn't have liked if I'd learned it anywhere else, but love it because of its associations.)

My number one peeve, and really this is not an expression issue, but an etiquette issue, is what has already been discussed - someone asking any form of "How are you?" but not stopping for an answer.   I do have a fondness (probably also associational) for "how ya doon?" but only if the answer is listened to.  Of course the responder owes a brief initial reply, but hopefully (a word I don't mind) that can develop into a conversation with real depth.  The main thing my friends and I talk about is prolly how we're doon.

Some expressions that rub me the wrong way:

"personal friend" - what other kind is there?

"non-starter" - what does that mean?

anything with literally violent imagery, that someone uses casually, like "I could kill you for that," "slap you upside the head," and especially, "just shoot me now"


Chrissi, good news, I don't think I've ever actually heard anyone I know use the word "trash" to describe actual humans.  I agree, it's shocking.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 04, 2008, 03:46:21 pm


"personal friend" - what other kind is there?



Heya Elle.  I can understand why that would seem a bit redundant.  But, I can also see, perhaps, something like a distinction between "at-work friends" and "personal friends."

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 04, 2008, 04:02:37 pm
A, "with all due respect," either they are friends or they ain't.  At least that's how "I personally" see it.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 04:08:53 pm
To me, "hopefully" and "I hope" have slightly different connotations. "I hope" seems an expression of more personal desires, while "hopefully" more readily includes the listener, and maybe even fate in general. Also, "I hope" seems more iffy, whereas "hopefully" seems more or less assured.

For example, "I hope we can go tomorrow," seems more like a personal wish for a prospect that's far from guaranteed. "Hopefully, we'll go tomorrow" it seems mutually agreed upon, and pretty likely to happen if all goes well.

"One hopes we'll go tomorrow" or "It is to be hoped we'll go tomorrow" are closer matches to the misused "hopefully," but it is to be hoped that one doesn't have to hear them in conversation.

Yes, but people say or write, "Hopefully we'll go tomorrow" when they mean, "I hope we'll go tomorrow."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Wayne on December 04, 2008, 04:39:52 pm
Going forward.   :P >:(
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 04, 2008, 04:40:55 pm
Yes, but people say or write, "Hopefully we'll go tomorrow" when they mean, "I hope we'll go tomorrow."

I s'pose. But when they do, I never think they actually mean they will set out tomorrow buoyed with a feeling of hope. So that meaning for the word seems obsolete. Might as well adopt the easy one.

It's kind of like using "they" about a single individual of indeterminate gender. Yes, "he or she" is more correct, or you can try to put it in plural, and in writing I would avoid it, but if someone else wants to use "they" I'm OK with them doing it.


Heya Elle.  I can understand why that would seem a bit redundant.  But, I can also see, perhaps, something like a distinction between "at-work friends" and "personal friends."



I always think "personal friend" is a way to emphasize your closeness to someone you're name-dropping, thereby inflating your own importance. As in, "Barack Obama's dentist's cousin is a personal friend of mine."

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Wayne on December 04, 2008, 04:45:55 pm
"meme" became one of those words like "paradigm" and "meld" that are deployed to display intellectual-with-it-ism and seem to emerge from the ether into common usage rapidly enough to go from obscurity to majorly annoying in a couple of days.
I have to admit I am really uncomfortable with the use of the word "meme" to mean a short funny questionnaire. It gives the impression that the speaker doesn't know what a meme actually is, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) which is a little embarrassing.    :-\
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Wayne on December 04, 2008, 04:48:56 pm
Here's another one: "The boss wants to talk to Sally and I." This one makes me kind of sad, because it's someone trying their best to be grammatically correct (they know not to say, "Sally and me want to talk to the boss") but they're trying too hard! I always want to gently tell them to take Sally out of the sentence and see how it sounds. But I usually bite my tongue because I don't want the speaker to get mad at I.
:laugh:  Oh, yes that is a distressing one.

Always makes me think of the line from that Christmas song:

"For poor lonely sinners like you and like I."

At least there it is explicit! That actually makes it tolerable.   :)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Wayne on December 04, 2008, 04:57:56 pm
Back to "Why don't you do such and such" -- the one I really hate is "I need you to do such and such."
Ooooh, yes how arrogant!    >:( :P :laugh:

Or turn it around and make it "You need to blah blah blah."

"You need to give me those crayons."    :laugh: (from "The Object of My Affection"  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Object_of_My_Affection) [the book - not sure if it's in the movie.])

That's one of my favorites to use with my cats. "You need to stay on your tal." (My cats say "towel" with a Kentucky accent.)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 05:03:38 pm
I always think "personal friend" is a way to emphasize your closeness to someone you're name-dropping, thereby inflating your own importance. As in, "Barack Obama's dentist's cousin is a personal friend of mine."

And then, of course, we have the qualifier close, as in "close personal friend."

I presume as opposed to more distant personal friends. ...  :-\
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Wayne on December 04, 2008, 05:06:06 pm
Shouldn't of   >:(
I love to write that one. It's like, so far beyond the pale that no one would think it's a mistake.

I guess I sortive like it.   ;)

Now, spoken, it would just be "shouldn't've" which is altogether okay.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 04, 2008, 05:17:42 pm
Now, spoken, it would just be "shouldn't've" which is altogether okay.

But for me, "shoont've" is going too far.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 04, 2008, 05:31:44 pm
And then, of course, we have the qualifier close, as in "close personal friend."

I presume as opposed to more distant personal friends. ...  :-\

I think this makes sense actually... there are degrees of relative closeness among "personal" friends.  I know in my real life I have personal friends who (not that... or is it whom?) I feel are more distant than others.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 04, 2008, 05:43:16 pm
I think this makes sense actually... there are degrees of relative closeness among "personal" friends.  I know in my real life I have personal friend who (not that... or is it whom?) I feel are more distant than others.

There are close friends vs. regular friends, I agree.

"Whom" is a funny one, because using it correctly can sound stilted. In your sentence above, "whom" would actually be correct. It's

"I have a personal friend whom I call every week."

but

"I have a personal friend who calls me every week."

In other words,"who" is the subject, doing the action, whereas "whom" is the object being acted upon.

So in grammatically discerning audiences, I try to use the correct form. But if I'm talking to a friend who says "The boss talked to Sally and I," a friend whom I love despite their use of less-than-perfect grammar, I might use "who," even knowing it's incorrect, because "whom" can sound so highfalutin.


Here's another one that's widely misused: lay/lie. As in "Why don't you go lay down?" or "I have a personal friend who I think should lay low for a while."


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: LauraGigs on December 04, 2008, 06:48:21 pm
^ OMG, "lay" and "lie" — hardly anyone gets that right anymore, it seems.

I would hear the song "Lay Lady Lay" and laugh my ass off.   
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 04, 2008, 07:35:48 pm
There are close friends vs. regular friends, I agree.

Ah, but are those close or regular friends also personal friends or, perhaps, impersonal friends?  ;D

And be careful. I seem to remember there are some people around here who dislke categorizing some friends as cyber friends, so I shudder to think what they think about parsing friends as close personal or just personal or regular friends.

If you have any irregular friends, I recommend Metamucil.  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 05, 2008, 02:12:03 am
Jeff: Webster's been dead a long time, and anything that's good enuff for Annie [GEFA] is good enuff for me! Besides, they're not as cutesy as "Veejay" and "poopie" or whatever. Same goes for "ain't" -- GEFA!

I'm with you on "hopefully" Katherine...though hopefully, people will not use it too often!!

This is not something I hate but it's starting to get on my nerves...people who say BTW when talking rather than by the way. Also those who say WTF or LOL or ROFLOL or BBF, etc. Those things are fine on the boards or texting, but not in a business meeting FCOL!!

How about expressions we love? Can we discuss those too? The other day my friend Rodney said his dog could destroy a ball in "two shakes of a lamb's tail." I love that expression!!


A friend in college used to nod and sagely say about someone who got on your nerves, "He knows where your goats are tied."

I was like  ???

She looked at me and said, "He knows where your goats are tied...So he can get your goat."

 ;D

Been a serious favorite of mine ever since.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 05, 2008, 02:24:22 am
"Definitely," when used by someone who doesn't mean it. 


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 05, 2008, 10:07:28 am
A friend in college used to nod and sagely say about someone who got on your nerves, "He knows where your goats are tied."

I was like  ???

She looked at me and said, "He knows where your goats are tied...So he can get your goat."

 ;D

Been a serious favorite of mine ever since.

That's a good one! I'm going to keep a lookout for a chance to use it.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on December 05, 2008, 05:33:39 pm
Ah, but are those close or regular friends also personal friends or, perhaps, impersonal friends?  ;D

And be careful. I seem to remember there are some people around here who dislke categorizing some friends as cyber friends, so I shudder to think what they think about parsing friends as close personal or just personal or regular friends.

If you have any irregular friends, I recommend Metamucil.  ;D

Metamucil is the food of the gods!  ;D

At Christmas time I assign dollar values to my friends.  I have $25 friends, $50 friends and $100 friends.  Is that bad?  :-\  ;)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 05, 2008, 05:46:42 pm
At Christmas time I assign dollar values to my friends.  I have $25 friends, $50 friends and $100 friends.  Is that bad?  :-\  ;)

I think most people do the same, if not quite so systematically. You sound very generous!  :)

Just about all of my friends this year are $0 friends. Mainly because my kids are three-digit friends.




Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: southendmd on December 05, 2008, 06:13:03 pm
I think most people do the same, if not quite so systematically. You sound very generous!  :)

Those are Canadian dollars LOL
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on December 05, 2008, 08:31:52 pm
I think most people do the same, if not quite so systematically. You sound very generous!  :)

Just about all of my friends this year are $0 friends. Mainly because my kids are three-digit friends.






I may sound generous but I only have very few close friends that I buy for, they are my chosen family.  My "real" family has dwindled down to my sister and niece and a couple of cousins (the evil twins- think Patty & Selma Bouvier, it's uncanny really) who spend Christmas with us because their parents, my aunt and uncle, are just awful people.  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 05, 2008, 10:56:05 pm
Metamucil is the food of the gods!  ;D

Eeew!  :P

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on December 06, 2008, 12:12:29 am
Metamucil is the food of the gods!  ;D

At Christmas time I assign dollar values to my friends.  I have $25 friends, $50 friends and $100 friends.  Is that bad?  :-\  ;)

The thought of all those gods floating above us, stoked up on Metamucil, reminds me of something that once happened to a friend. We were having lunch in a Sydney park, when one of the resident pigeons indelicately deposited a nasty, gooey splattering all over my friend's left shoulder. Without missing a beat and devoid of any discernible expression or emotion, my friend deadpanned, "I sure am glad elephants can't fly." Boom-boom!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on December 06, 2008, 10:32:54 pm
I hate those commercials where they advertise something and then you have to call in to order it, because IT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN STORES!! And then, when they tell you the price at the end (it's almost always $19.99 plus shipping and handling) they say "You get it all!". I don't know why that bugs me so much but I hate it.

You get it all!

 ::)  ::)

One time they were advertising these kitchen rags that are supposed to absorb everything, even carpet spills. You could get 2 of them, BUT at the end of the commercial they would double your order! You got 4 for $19.99 plus $5.95 shipping and handling. So for $25.94 we get four yellow rags. And then she had the gall to say "YOU GET IT ALL!" Oh boy! Four little rags for roughly $26.00. Geez.  ::)

And this really isn't an expression, but I also hate how they put a bunch of things in small print down at the bottom of the screen at the end of commercials. It's faint, very tiny, and they only leave it on for about 2 seconds. You'd have to be a speed reader and have a magnifying glass in your hand in order to see it. When I see companies do things like this, I make it a point NOT to buy anything from them. It's obvious they are trying to deceive us. If they weren't they wouldn't use all that tiny, faint, blurry print at the bottom of the screen. >:(

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 07, 2008, 09:29:39 pm
"No harm, no foul."

For some reason it bugs me.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 08, 2008, 11:20:06 am

One time they were advertising these kitchen rags that are supposed to absorb everything, even carpet spills. You could get 2 of them, BUT at the end of the commercial they would double your order! You got 4 for $19.99 plus $5.95 shipping and handling. So for $25.94 we get four yellow rags. And then she had the gall to say "YOU GET IT ALL!" Oh boy! Four little rags for roughly $26.00. Geez.  ::)



Are you by any chance talking about "Sham-Wow!"?  Those commercials crack me up.  Because, you're right... the amount of money for rags is pretty funny.  But, also, the name of the product is pretty hilarious.  And, the guy they have on the commercial is such and over-the-top **SALESMAN** in his on-camera persona.  I think he's also wearing a headset during the commercial.  LOL!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:





Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 08, 2008, 11:35:29 am
I seem to only see that commercial when I am watching BBC America...is that what they think of us across the pond???  LOL

I see it on CNN, MSNBC, the Food Network and HGTV (which are my four most-frequently watched channels).

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 12:35:38 pm
I hate those commercials where they advertise something and then you have to call in to order it, because IT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN STORES!! And then, when they tell you the price at the end (it's almost always $19.99 plus shipping and handling) they say "You get it all!". I don't know why that bugs me so much but I hate it.

You get it all!

 ::)  ::)

One time they were advertising these kitchen rags that are supposed to absorb everything, even carpet spills. You could get 2 of them, BUT at the end of the commercial they would double your order! You got 4 for $19.99 plus $5.95 shipping and handling. So for $25.94 we get four yellow rags. And then she had the gall to say "YOU GET IT ALL!" Oh boy! Four little rags for roughly $26.00. Geez.  ::)

And this really isn't an expression, but I also hate how they put a bunch of things in small print down at the bottom of the screen at the end of commercials. It's faint, very tiny, and they only leave it on for about 2 seconds. You'd have to be a speed reader and have a magnifying glass in your hand in order to see it. When I see companies do things like this, I make it a point NOT to buy anything from them. It's obvious they are trying to deceive us. If they weren't they wouldn't use all that tiny, faint, blurry print at the bottom of the screen. >:(

Remember the famous Popeil Pocket Fisherman?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 08, 2008, 02:39:35 pm
I hate "Don't get your knickers in a twist" and "Don't get your undies in a bundle." Unnecessarily rude ways to say "relax."

"Settle down" isn't quite as bad, but it's annoying, too. When I use it myself, it's because I'm trying to be patronizing. I should stop that!   ::)




Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 08, 2008, 02:47:56 pm


"Settle down" isn't quite as bad, but it's annoying, too. When I use it myself, it's because I'm trying to be patronizing. I should stop that!   ::)



"Settle down" isn't as bad as it's goofy cousin... "simmer down".

LOL!
 :laugh:

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: David In Indy on December 08, 2008, 02:49:20 pm
Remember the famous Popeil Pocket Fisherman?  ;D

Yes Jeff, I remember that one. The Popeil company sold all kinds of weird things and their commercials appeared in abundance on TV each Christmas. I also remember that "kitchen chopper" device. You would place an onion, a potato, a tomato (etc) inside it, push down on the plunger and it would "slice it, dice it, chop it.."  ::)

Are you by any chance talking about "Sham-Wow!"?  Those commercials crack me up.  Because, you're right... the amount of money for rags is pretty funny.  But, also, the name of the product is pretty hilarious.  And, the guy they have on the commercial is such and over-the-top **SALESMAN** in his on-camera persona.  I think he's also wearing a headset during the commercial.  LOL!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:







I'm not sure if that is the name of those kitchen rags or not, Amanda. ???

I think the Sham-Wow is a Billy Mayes (sp?) commercial, isn't it? He's starting to get on my last nerve!

He shouts. And he's obnoxious too. >:(

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 02:51:01 pm
I hate "Don't get your knickers in a twist" and "Don't get your undies in a bundle." Unnecessarily rude ways to say "relax."

When used by an American, that's also a Anglophilic affectation. We don't call our underwear knickers on this side of the pond.  ;D (Remember the "Dear Sexy Knickers" episode of Are You Being Served?) But I would rather be told not to get my knickers in a twist than be told not to get my bowels in an uproar!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 02:53:52 pm
Yes Jeff, I remember that one. The Popeil company sold all kinds of weird things and their commercials appeared in abundance on TV each Christmas. I also remember that "kitchen chopper" device. You would place an onion, a potato, a tomato (etc) inside it, push down on the plunger and it would "slice it, dice it, chop it.."  ::)

Remember the famous Ginsu (sp?) knife? Did the Popeil company sell that, too?

Quote
I think the Sham-Wow is a Billy Mayes (sp?) commercial, isn't it? He's starting to get on my last nerve!

He shouts. And he's obnoxious too. >:(

Sure enough, but if you like bears, he's kinda cute. ...  ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 08, 2008, 03:41:52 pm
When used by an American, that's also a Anglophilic affectation. We don't call our underwear knickers on this side of the pond.  ;D (Remember the "Dear Sexy Knickers" episode of Are You Being Served?) But I would rather be told not to get my knickers in a twist than be told not to get my bowels in an uproar!  :laugh:

Dear Sexy Knickers!  I remember that, probably even have it around somewhere.  (Interestingly enough, the current ad down the side of this page has Shopzilla advertising sexy men's underwear.)

I do like "Don't get your knickers in a knot."  because of the alliteration.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 08, 2008, 04:18:32 pm
OMG, all the underwear talk is reminding me of the time time that my mother was ranting about something, and I turned to her and asked:


"And what got your panties all twisted today?"


 :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 04:27:38 pm
Dear Sexy Knickers!  I remember that, probably even have it around somewhere.  (Interestingly enough, the current ad down the side of this page has Shopzilla advertising sexy men's underwear.)  

Bet you'd look good in the "Clever Mesh Bars Trunk," Clyde!  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 08, 2008, 04:30:07 pm


      I think we should start a thread:  The most annoying commercials, and most useless,
items sold on air.   The "Sham Wow rags" would be one of those for sure..

      In my mind the most annoying and most useless item catagory however have been on TV, for over fifty years.  I have only seen them advertised at the christmas season...

       Wait for it... You know it you love it ,,, you cant live without it...   Chi chi --CHIA PET.........

   That is proof that people will buy anything.  No matter how useless, and no matter how many guises it comes in.       guhh
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 04:32:39 pm

      I think we should start a thread:  The most annoying commercials, and most useless,
items sold on air.   The "Sham Wow rags" would be one of those for sure..

      In my mind the most annoying and most useless item catagory however have been on TV, for over fifty years.  I have only seen them advertised at the christmas season...

       Wait for it... You know it you love it ,,, you cant live without it...   Chi chi --CHIA PET.........

   That is proof that people will buy anything.  No matter how useless, and no matter how many guises it comes in.       guhh

"Ch-ch-ch-chia!" Have you ever heard a more annoying commercial jingle?!?!?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 08, 2008, 04:37:04 pm
Bet you'd look good in the "Clever Mesh Bars Trunk," Clyde!  ;)  ;D

Don''t I wish that were still true!!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 08, 2008, 04:39:50 pm
In my mind the most annoying and most useless item catagory however have been on TV, for over fifty years.  I have only seen them advertised at the christmas season...

Wait for it... You know it you love it ,,, you cant live without it...   Chi chi --CHIA PET.........

That is proof that people will buy anything.  No matter how useless, and no matter how many guises it comes in.       guhh


 :laugh:

I had a friend give me one for Chrsitmas years ago.  I accepted with a big smile, but inside was thinking "You've GOT to be kidding me!"

 :laugh:


"The pottery that grrows!"  Indeed.  ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 08, 2008, 04:40:22 pm
I've fallen and I can't get up!!!!

However, I was able to type this, enlarge the font and bold and center it!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 08, 2008, 04:42:08 pm
lmao!


Clyde, I remember those ads!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 08, 2008, 07:38:14 pm
I've fallen and I can't get up!!!!

However, I was able to type this, enlarge the font and bold and center it!





[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQlpDiXPZHQ&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on December 08, 2008, 09:07:51 pm

My Mum had one of those things. Fortunately, she never had to use it. I think it was more a comfort for the family, rather than any use to her. She lived independently in her own home right up to the end (with family and community support) and we all worked, meaning we couldn't be with her 24/7, so we figured the buzzer was a good idea, should she have a fall.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 10:56:49 pm
I've fallen and I can't get up!!!!

However, I was able to type this, enlarge the font and bold and center it!

So, where's the beef?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 10:59:13 pm
"The pottery that grrows!"  Indeed.  ::)

Can you imagine, 10,000 years from now, when some alien archaeologist examining the detritus of planet earth comes across a Chia Head in a trash dump somewhere, what he'll make of it?  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 11:00:48 pm
Bet you'd look good in the "Clever Mesh Bars Trunk," Clyde!  ;)  ;D

Don''t I wish that were still true!!!  :laugh:

Maybe you should give 'em a try. You never know what might happen.  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 08, 2008, 11:03:41 pm
Maybe you should give 'em a try. You never know what might happen.  ;D

Do you remember the crowds in streets running in terror in Godzilla?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 08, 2008, 11:17:27 pm
Do you remember the crowds in streets running in terror in Godzilla?

I missed that one.  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 09, 2008, 05:07:15 am
Once, in New Orleans, years ago, I saw a T shirt that said, "Help!  I've fallen and I can't find my beer."  I still think that's hie-larious.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 09, 2008, 09:39:29 am
I've heard my brother give "Chicken butt" as an answer to "guess what?" and I used to think it was something he thought was funny, but now i've heard others say it, as well as to add another question and answer to it.

This was the exchange at our table on Thanksgiving.

Me:  Oh, guess what?

Chris:  Chicken butt.

Eric:  Guess why?

Chris:  Why?

Eric:  Chicken thigh.


 ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 09, 2008, 09:43:38 am
OMG!  I just did a google images search and found this!





(http://www.damnilikethat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/chicken-butt.jpg)


It's everywhere!!!!!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 09, 2008, 10:13:43 am
Once, in New Orleans, years ago, I saw a T shirt that said, "Help!  I've fallen and I can't find my beer."  I still think that's hie-larious.

In New Orleans, you'd be walking along the street and someone would yell out, "I know where you got you shoes!

"Where?" you'd say.

They'd yell, "You got 'em on your feet!"



Much better than that other, more famous, New Orleans anatomical street yell.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 09, 2008, 10:40:42 am
In New Orleans, you'd be walking along the street and someone would yell out, "I know where you got you shoes!

"Where?" you'd say.

They'd yell, "You got 'em on your feet!"



Much better than that other, more famous, New Orleans anatomical street yell.

Would that be the one about showing your boobs?  ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 09, 2008, 11:01:56 am
Would that be the one about showing your boobs?  ::)

Yes, though they didn't use the word "boobs."

Plus, in recent years, the yelling has become co-ed, so more than one kind of body part now gets requests.




Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 09, 2008, 11:36:42 am
Yes, though they didn't use the word "boobs."

Plus, in recent years, the yelling has become co-ed, so more than one kind of body part now gets requests.

 ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 09, 2008, 02:56:23 pm
In New Orleans, you'd be walking along the street and someone would yell out, "I know where you got you shoes!

"Where?" you'd say.

They'd yell, "You got 'em on your feet!"

Much better than that other, more famous, New Orleans anatomical street yell.

Just goes to show what drunk people think is funny.  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 09, 2008, 02:59:16 pm
Just goes to show what drunk people think is funny.  ::) ;D

Do you mean me?  ;D 

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 09, 2008, 04:17:52 pm
Here's another one of which I was reminded only minutes ago: Repurpose.  :P
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: underdown on December 09, 2008, 05:11:28 pm

'With all due respect, I don't think this thread has enough options.'
(As an illustration).
I think that is one of the worst expressions, because it is purporting respect but can be immediately followed by something quite insulting.

It is amazing that so many of the expressions we hear, regularly, are 'a contradiction in terms' (whatever THAT means), and don't actually mean what they say.
  :)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Brown Eyes on December 09, 2008, 05:21:20 pm


I have a question for folks about how you think about your posts here at BetterMost.

When you write your posts are you in conversation-mode or in formal-writing-mode?  I tend to type these in a very conversational way.  This is pretty much how I approach most emails too.  Even my work emails are pretty conversational.

I feel like my writing voice and my conversation voice can be quite different.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 09, 2008, 05:30:16 pm
Here's another one of which I was reminded only minutes ago: Repurpose.  :P

Guilty as charged, friend. How about if I say my daughter's gonna commandeer the doghouse and turn it into a chicken coop. Does that lay (oops, lie) better on the ears??
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on December 09, 2008, 05:31:15 pm

I have a question for folks about how you think about your posts here at BetterMost.

When you write your posts are you in conversation-mode or in formal-writing-mode?  I tend to type these in a very conversational way.  This is pretty much how I approach most emails too.  Even my work emails are pretty conversational.

I feel like my writing voice and my conversation voice can be quite different.



I'm with you, Amanda. I'm very conversational,  here at BetterMost. I converse here, as I would with a group of RL friends.  :D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 09, 2008, 06:26:47 pm

I have a question for folks about how you think about your posts here at BetterMost.

When you write your posts are you in conversation-mode or in formal-writing-mode?  I tend to type these in a very conversational way.  This is pretty much how I approach most emails too.  Even my work emails are pretty conversational.

I feel like my writing voice and my conversation voice can be quite different.

Interesting question, Bud!

My writing voice -- whether here or in journalism -- and my conversation voice don't differ much. I'm a bit more lax with grammar in my conversation, and I probably swear a bit more (I almost never swear when writing journalism, even in publications that would probably be OK with it). I use more complex sentence structures in writing. Oh, and I use more imagery and analogy and so forth.

But I don't write very formally and I usually try to avoid writing things that I'd never say in speech. For example, "Indeed, blah blah blah ..." though I'll admit I do use that one on rare occasions when I can't find any way around it. I don't call restaurants "eateries."



Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 09, 2008, 07:08:26 pm
My writing is pretty conversational as well. It's been years since I have engaged in scholarly or technical writing. The writing I do at work is marketing oriented often. There is usually some kind of story I am trying to get across. So I would be hard put to churn out some dry stuffy prose. Recently I even referred to the company as "one of the best outfits around." I was surprised that it passed muster, but this is the West, where such idioms are acceptable!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on December 09, 2008, 08:20:09 pm
My writing is pretty conversational as well. It's been years since I have engaged in scholarly or technical writing. The writing I do at work is marketing oriented often. There is usually some kind of story I am trying to get across. So I would be hard put to churn out some dry stuffy prose. Recently I even referred to the company as "one of the best outfits around." I was surprised that it passed muster, but this is the West, where such idioms are acceptable!

An important and time-consuming aspect of my work is writing responses to Ministerials. For my American friends, no, that doesn't mean ministers of religion. A Minister here in Oz, as indeed in the UK, is a politician, elected to public office.

A Ministerial is generated when a member of the public writes to their local Member of Parliament (MP). Such letters can cover any conceivable issue. Alas, however, they are usually complaints. In my industry, Health, some of the subject matter can be quite distressing, if not outright tragic.

So, the member of public writes to their local MP, who redirects it to the appropriate Minister whose portfolio it covers; i.e., in my case, the New South Wales Minister for Health. The Minister's office then sends the letter to the administrative office (me) where the staff member being complained about is employed; usually a public hospital. In consultation with our staff member, we write a response to the Ministerial, which will be sent back to the Minister for his signature, to be sent to the original author of the complaint. If it is a particularly critical or contentious issue, it will be read by the Minister in Parliament.

But back to the issue at hand. One would expect the writing style of such Ministerials to be extremely stilted and pedantic. It is, in fact, just the opposite. The two primary rules of Ministerial writing are:
1. Keep it simple, stupid!
2. Write it so the issue will be resolved.

When we forward letters to our clinical staff for response, their initial drafts often come back filled with medical terminology and pompous clinical gobbledegook. We amend them so the member of public who wrote the complaint will understand.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that IMHO so-called good English does not necessarily have to be an intellectual treatise that no-one except a select few academics can understand.

IMHO the primary purpose of good English is to communicate and be understood, not  to try to give the impression that "I'm smarter than you." 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on December 09, 2008, 08:33:15 pm

I guess what I'm trying to say is that IMHO so-called good English does not necessarily have to be an intellectual treatise that no-one except a select few academics can understand.

IMHO the primary purpose of good English is to communicate and be understood, not  to try to give the impression that "I'm smarter than you are." 

I think anyone reading my signature line would know where I stand on this!  :laugh: :laugh:

I think it is the height of rudeness to interrupt a conversation to correct someone's spelling or grammer ...and that is what we are having here a conversation. In addition, for some of our members, English is NOT their first language so coming in and seeing 'grammar nazis' with red pencils can be offputting.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 10, 2008, 06:55:15 am

I don't call restaurants "eateries."



This really tickled my funny bone!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Lynne on December 10, 2008, 08:56:15 am
I have a new one.  And I don't 'hate' it, per se; I use it often enough, but I think it might be a sign of the times changing.

'My bad' has sometimes taken the place of an 'I'm sorry' or 'I apologize'.

It started for me back in the mid-nineties, playing soccer.  The etiquette was that when you screw up (make a bad pass, don't trap the ball well, etc.) people said 'My bad' and I understood the point to be that you're playing your best, acknowledge it, and move on.

The phrase seem to have creeped into everyday conversations now when an apology really is an appropriate response.  It's something about which I hope to be more aware in my day-to-day conversations.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on December 10, 2008, 09:14:46 am
I have a new one.  And I don't 'hate' it, per se; I use it often enough, but I think it might be a sign of the times changing.

'My bad' has sometimes taken the place of an 'I'm sorry' or 'I apologize'.

It started for me back in the mid-nineties, playing soccer.  The etiquette was that when you screw up (make a bad pass, don't trap the ball well, etc.) people said 'My bad' and I understood the point to be that you're playing your best, acknowledge it, and move on.

The phrase seem to have creeped into everyday conversations now when an apology really is an appropriate response.  It's something about which I hope to be more aware in my day-to-day conversations.

oh! you reminded me of one I hate!


when someone tells you something negative ( for example, they don't feel good ) and you say "I'm sorry"...and their response is "Well it isn't YOUR fault I have a cold!"...

huh?

I can't express compassion without taking responsibility for the problem? I guess I should say "I am sorry you have a cold and are not feeling well" just to be clear but good grief!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 10, 2008, 10:31:33 am
I have a new one.  And I don't 'hate' it, per se; I use it often enough, but I think it might be a sign of the times changing.

'My bad' has sometimes taken the place of an 'I'm sorry' or 'I apologize'.

My kids say that a lot, and frankly I love it. I'm just so thrilled that they're acknowledging wrongdoing and apologizing at all, I don't care if they say it in Klingon.

Context is everything.  ;D

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 10, 2008, 11:12:40 am
My kids say ["my bad"] a lot, and frankly I love it. I'm just so thrilled that they're acknowledging wrongdoing and apologizing at all, I don't care if they say it in Klingon.

Context is everything.  ;D



Right. Some of the phrases here annoy a lot of people because they're overused or because they seem to be an attempt to avoid or pretty-up reality. But many of them, the ones that annoy me included, are just a matter of taste.  IMO "My bad" seems to be just another variation of 'I'm sorry' or 'it was my fault.'  At least it isn't an attempt to avoid responsibility!   ;D

One phrase that's certainly overused, but I don't share the widespread annoyance with it, is "have a nice day" or "have a good day."  It's really just a variation on the archaic "good day" as a standin for "goodbye."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 10, 2008, 11:45:18 am
One phrase that's certainly overused, but I don't share the widespread annoyance with it, is "have a nice day" or "have a good day."  It's really just a variation on the archaic "good day" as a standin for "goodbye."

I agree. It's banal, but the intention is to close the encounter on a quick, friendly note. And you really wouldn't want something non-banal, something more complex, that invited more thought or conversation, because then the encounter wouldn't reach the proper closure.

You know, "Good day" is probably a shortening of "Have a good day." But maybe now it's become too much associated with a terse or even hostile goodbye. Like when someone says, "Good day to you, Sir," puts on his top hat, turns and summarily marches out of the office. So we had to reclaim the "Have a" to make it sound more friendly.



Here's one I irrationally dislike. "I'm all about [whatever]." As in, "I'm all about oatmeal" from someone who eats oatmeal for breakfast every day. It's like, hunh, there's nothing important in your entire personality or life but oatmeal? (Note: "My breakfasts are all about oatmeal" would be acceptable.)



Oh, and here's yet another one: "jones" or "jonesing," as in, a craving some [non-drug] thing. Like, "I'm on a diet and I'm jonesing for a hamburger." I just can't stand that one. It's not that I object to drug-related slang on a moral basis. I wouldn't mind, "I went off my diet and ODed on french fries." Or "Please don't narc on me to the Weight Watchers leader." But I hate "jones," even when it applies to actual addiction. Way too cutesy. Does one really need a cutesy name for one's chemical-dependency problem?


Hmm .... I notice all my examples are food-related. So typical.  ::)




Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 10, 2008, 12:51:28 pm
I think the etymology of "My bad!" is that it is a contraction of "Am I bad!" 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 10, 2008, 01:12:24 pm
I wonder if feelings about expressions such as "How are you" or "have a good day" will change as things get gloomier in the next few months. Already I've had people look incredulous when I responded that I am great, as if we're all supposed to go around being miserable these days.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 10, 2008, 01:39:15 pm
I wonder if feelings about expressions such as "How are you" or "have a good day" will change as things get gloomier in the next few months. Already I've had people look incredulous when I responded that I am great, as if we're all supposed to go around being miserable these days.

 :laugh:  I'm going to start saying, "Hope your day doesn't suck too much!"


I think the etymology of "My bad!" is that it is a contraction of "Am I bad!" 

That's interesting! So it's really, "'mI bad!"


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 10, 2008, 02:50:08 pm
I despised the expression "My bad", but eventually I was beaten down by the sheer weight of usage by everyone from teenyboppers to 50 year old women.

I always thought it was a combination of "I was bad" and "My mistake".  But in a grammatically incorrect sentence form.  Which I guess beats "supposably".  :P


Here's one I irrationally dislike. "I'm all about [whatever]." As in, "I'm all about oatmeal" from someone who eats oatmeal for breakfast every day. It's like, hunh, there's nothing important in your entire personality or life but oatmeal? (Note: "My breakfasts are all about oatmeal" would be acceptable.)

I kinda like this one because it reminds me of my favorite "I'm all over it" expression.

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Oh, and here's yet another one: "jones" or "jonesing," as in, a craving some [non-drug] thing. Like, "I'm on a diet and I'm jonesing for a hamburger." I just can't stand that one. It's not that I object to drug-related slang on a moral basis. I wouldn't mind, "I went off my diet and ODed on french fries." Or "Please don't narc on me to the Weight Watchers leader." But I hate "jones," even when it applies to actual addiction. Way too cutesy. Does one really need a cutesy name for one's chemical-dependency problem?


Hmm .... I notice all my examples are food-related. So typical.  ::)

I don't mind these and actually use them because I did and do know people with various addictions and they used them and thought nothing of it.

I'm not sure how "narc" came into being.  I believe it refers to the narcotics police.

I use this in place of "stool-pigeon-ing".  If someone "narcs" on me, they're tattletaling.  Is there another word that could be used that doesn't sound grade-school-ish or something from a Jimmy Cagney movie? 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: LauraGigs on December 10, 2008, 03:06:06 pm
oh! you reminded me of one I hate!
when someone tells you something negative ( for example, they don't feel good ) and you say "I'm sorry"...and their response is "Well it isn't YOUR fault I have a cold!"...
huh?
I can't express compassion without taking responsibility for the problem? I guess I should say "I am sorry you have a cold and are not feeling well" just to be clear but good grief!

Yeah, I've had that experience too. The problem is that in English, I regret that... and It's my fault that... are both expressed in the same way: "I'm sorry."  Two very different meanings that people sometimes have trouble navigating.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 10, 2008, 03:10:42 pm
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from: injest on Today at 08:14:46 AM
oh! you reminded me of one I hate!
when someone tells you something negative ( for example, they don't feel good ) and you say "I'm sorry"...and their response is "Well it isn't YOUR fault I have a cold!"...
huh?
I can't express compassion without taking responsibility for the problem? I guess I should say "I am sorry you have a cold and are not feeling well" just to be clear but good grief!


Yeah, I've had that experience too. The problem is that in English, I regret that... and It's my fault that... are both expressed in the same way: "I'm sorry."  Two very different meanings that people sometimes have trouble navigating.

I like it when someone does this to me.  When they say, "Well it's not your fault..." I instantly reply, "Oh, but I wasn't apologizing."

Heh.  That stops them dead and forces them to use their stuffy heads to figure it out.  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 10, 2008, 03:15:51 pm
I'm not sure how "narc" came into being.  I believe it refers to the narcotics police.

I believe "narc" the noun refers to undercover professional agents or regular-people informers who tell on drug dealers/users. Thus, it became a verb.

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I use this in place of "stool-pigeon-ing".  If someone "narcs" on me, they're tattletaling.  Is there another word that could be used that doesn't sound grade-school-ish or something from a Jimmy Cagney movie? 

The only other one I can think of is "tell," which is usually understandable in context. "Don't tell on me" or "don't tell Mom" both imply getting someone in trouble in addition to simply imparting information.

Yeah, I've had that experience too. The problem is that in English, I regret that... and It's my fault that... are both expressed in the same way: "I'm sorry."  Two very different meanings that people sometimes have trouble navigating.

When someone tells me that a loved one of theirs has died, I say "I'm sorry to hear that." Not that if I said "I'm sorry" it would imply that I had killed the person. But somehow, it just doesn't seem ... complete or sumpn'.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 10, 2008, 03:26:00 pm
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I use this in place of "stool-pigeon-ing".  If someone "narcs" on me, they're tattletaling.  Is there another word that could be used that doesn't sound grade-school-ish or something from a Jimmy Cagney movie?

The only other one I can think of is "tell," which is usually understandable in context. "Don't tell on me" or "don't tell Mom" both imply getting someone in trouble in addition to simply imparting information.

I tend to use this expression to warn other people about someone,

"Don't say that too loud because Susie will narc on you [to the bosses]."

"Tell on you" also sounds grade-schoolish as in your examples, like they're going to rat you out to a parent.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 10, 2008, 04:50:30 pm



    I dont mind at all,, my bad.  I think it is good when people own their mistakes, then move on.
So many people refuse to admit they make them..
   
     Another one that bugs me a lot, my family does it all the time, and I could just cringe..
Calling everyone, men women, elders or whomever.. DUDE!!  That bugs me bad DUDE.....ukk
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 10, 2008, 06:11:06 pm

     Another one that bugs me a lot, my family does it all the time, and I could just cringe..
Calling everyone, men women, elders or whomever.. DUDE!!  That bugs me bad DUDE.....ukk

I kind of like "dude." More for use by and about guys, though. And I like it when it's used to hold more meaning than "guy" or whatever. Like when it means, "hey" or "are you kidding?"

For instance, my brother was looking at houses. He looked at one that was a total mess, rooms full of garbage and a huge stuffed cougar in the living room. Afterward, the seller's agent called my brother's agent to ask how he thought the house showed.

My brother's agent just said, "Dude ..."


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 10, 2008, 07:59:00 pm
You know, "Good day" is probably a shortening of "Have a good day." But maybe now it's become too much associated with a terse or even hostile goodbye. Like when someone says, "Good day to you, Sir," puts on his top hat, turns and summarily marches out of the office. So we had to reclaim the "Have a" to make it sound more friendly.

I suspect it may be more archaic than that. After all, good-bye developed from the long and archaic, "God be with you." I wouldn't be surprised if Good day (G'day if you're from Oz  ;D ) went back to something like, "God give you a good day."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 10, 2008, 09:52:22 pm
Well, goodbye is a corruption of "God be with ye"
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 10, 2008, 09:58:47 pm
I suspect it may be more archaic than that. After all, good-bye developed from the long and archaic, "God be with you." I wouldn't be surprised if Good day (G'day if you're from Oz  ;D ) went back to something like, "God give you a good day."

Well, goodbye is a corruption of "God be with ye"

I didn't know that about "goodbye." Interesting!

However, isn't "have a good day" simply the secular version of "God give you a good day"? Same sentiment, just different in terms of where that good day comes from.



Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 10, 2008, 10:47:05 pm
I didn't know that about "goodbye." Interesting!

However, isn't "have a good day" simply the secular version of "God give you a good day"? Same sentiment, just different in terms of where that good day comes from.

That was my impression as well.  Didn't Shakespeare write things like "God give you good night"?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 10, 2008, 10:55:01 pm
However, isn't "have a good day" simply the secular version of "God give you a good day"? Same sentiment, just different in terms of where that good day comes from.

Well. ...

Back when people said, "God be with you," if they said, "God give you good day," I don't think there would have been a "secular version." "Good day" would have just been a shortened version of "God give you good day." Nobody was "secular" back then.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 11, 2008, 01:50:19 am
Well. ...

Back when people said, "God be with you," if they said, "God give you good day," I don't think there would have been a "secular version." "Good day" would have just been a shortened version of "God give you good day." Nobody was "secular" back then.

True. But my point was, "good day" would be a shortened form of the sentiment "I hope your day is enjoyable and free of undue troubles," whether that is by the grace of God or some other force.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 11, 2008, 02:51:42 pm
Other candidates for loathing, as published by Lake Superior University in its annual List of Words Banished from the Queen's English include:

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 11, 2008, 03:53:48 pm
Calling everyone, men women, elders or whomever.. DUDE!!  That bugs me bad DUDE.....ukk

lmao!

Oh Janice......thanks for the memory!

Years ago, my father was ranting about something, and I said to him:

"Whoa dude!  Calm down."

This ticked him off, he started yelling at me, "I'm not your "dude"!  I'm your dad!  Don't call me "dude"!

I should've been serious, but I just started laughing out loud.  I had just returned home from a camping trip with friends, and one of the songs that got played by the campfire was one I never heard before, a song called "Don't Call Me Dude".

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 11, 2008, 03:55:10 pm
I like "blank is the new blank" if it's something so absurd it's funny. Like, I heard of someone saying they were vacationing in Minnesota in winter because "Cold is the new hot."

But not when it's used sincerely, as in, "50 is the new 40," or "Brown is the new black."



Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 11, 2008, 05:14:45 pm
I like "blank is the new blank" if it's something so absurd it's funny. Like, I heard of someone saying they were vacationing in Minnesota in winter because "Cold is the new hot."

But not when it's used sincerely, as in, "50 is the new 40," or "Brown is the new black."

Or the tagline to Jim Carrey's new movie "Yes is the new No."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: LauraGigs on December 11, 2008, 05:46:12 pm
Another one that bugs me a lot, my family does it all the time, and I could just cringe..
Calling everyone, men women, elders or whomever.. DUDE!!  That bugs me bad DUDE.....ukk

Oh sorry Janice!  Heehee... I've definitely been doing that a lot. I especially tend to use it as an exclamation (like listen here or tell ya what): "Dude, you won't believe what almost happened..."

For the past 3 years, I worked for this young entrepreneur from California, so that was the office lexicon, which rubbed off on me. 

Like bosses do, he would come by my workstation and look at my computer to see how my work was going.  If he liked it, he would just say, "Totally".
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 12, 2008, 11:43:45 am
Other candidates for loathing, as published by Lake Superior University in its annual List of Words Banished from the Queen's English include:

Webinar

Hunh?  ???
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 12, 2008, 11:49:12 am
Hunh?  ???

A Webinar is a seminar on the Web. I've never actually attended one that worked...the graphics usually freeze up on me.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 12, 2008, 12:04:21 pm
A Webinar is a seminar on the Web. I've never actually attended one that worked...the graphics usually freeze up on me.

Thanks, FRiend Lee!

Just reminds me of another word I dislike: Podcast.  :-\

Like, is that a broadcast for or by the pod people?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 12, 2008, 01:27:28 pm
Other candidates for loathing, as published by Lake Superior University in its annual List of Words Banished from the Queen's English include:

They left out "agenda" and "the blame game" !  :P
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 12, 2008, 02:03:55 pm
They left out "agenda" and "the blame game" !  :P

Why don't you like "agenda"?  ???

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 12, 2008, 02:52:36 pm
They left out "agenda" and "the blame game" !  :P


Oh, yes.. I'm almost as tired of the word agenda as of people who have one. As well as "issues." Next person who has issues is gonna get tissues from me.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: louisev on December 12, 2008, 03:16:09 pm
Here are a couple I truly loathe:

"You (or he or she or someone or something else) rocks."

And the one we heard over and over is "the card."

The race card
The gender card
The elite card

Ack.

And I hate it when people use "Dude" too.

A personal dislike of mine, for obvious reasons, is "Geez Louise," followed closely by "Christ on a Crutch" and "Jesus H. Christ."

On the other hand, one of the more recent ones, which you sometimes see on LOLCat pictures, is "I see what you did there."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on December 12, 2008, 03:26:21 pm
I like "blank is the new blank" if it's something so absurd it's funny. Like, I heard of someone saying they were vacationing in Minnesota in winter because "Cold is the new hot."

But not when it's used sincerely, as in, "50 is the new 40," or "Brown is the new black."





I like mine and I mean it seriously  :D :  "Straight is the new gay."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 12, 2008, 03:32:32 pm
I like mine and I mean it seriously  :D :  "Straight is the new gay."

I like that one, too!  :D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 12, 2008, 04:41:33 pm
I like mine and I mean it seriously  :D :  "Straight is the new gay."

Aaaack!  :o

They take everything from us: hairstyles, clothing styles, piercings, tattoos. ... Don't give them that, too!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on December 12, 2008, 05:08:07 pm
Aaaack!  :o

They take everything from us: hairstyles, clothing styles, piercings, tattoos. ... Don't give them that, too!

That's kind of the point actually.  :D

I also like:  "Men are the new women" - Men's bodies are objectified almost as much as women's, you just have to look at the Abercrombie & Fitch shopping bags  :o ; Jean-Paul Gaulthier has a complete line of make-up for men, including eye-liner & blush; Body image issues and the associated cases of eating disorders are growing among men.  etc..
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 12, 2008, 11:12:46 pm
Is there a way to say "I'm sorry" in Klingon, I wonder.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: jstephens9 on December 13, 2008, 04:01:55 am
Is there a way to say "I'm sorry" in Klingon, I wonder.




Yes there is
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on December 13, 2008, 06:07:00 am
Jesus H Christ!

How do you do that, Jack? Use a special ceremonial knife to cut off a body part?!

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: milomorris on December 14, 2008, 03:15:24 am
Jean-Paul Gaulthier has a complete line of make-up for men, including eye-liner & blush; Body image issues and the associated cases of eating disorders are growing among men.  etc..

HEY BRAD!!! I think that's you're cue to re-post the lyrics to "I'm Still a Guy."  :laugh:

Ah yes. The ugly side of metrosexuality. Which of course isn't a sexuality at all: its all style and no substance.

The whole scenario you describe is truly tragic.

Milo
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: pnwDUDE on December 14, 2008, 03:18:43 am
Ah yes. The ugly side of metrosexuality. Which of course isn't a sexuality at all: its all style and no substance.

The whole scenario you describe is truly tragic.

Milo

Goes along with this expression to a guy; "You go, girl".

Brad
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: milomorris on December 14, 2008, 03:23:09 am
Oh...there's so many from which to choose. I'm glad that I'm not working in the offices at the big opera company here any more. The two queens I worked with would sometimes refer to me as "Miss Thing" or "Miss Milo." After I ignored them enough times, they pretty much stopped that.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 14, 2008, 03:53:43 am
Is there a way to say "I'm sorry" in Klingon, I wonder.

Yes there is

Being a Klingon means never having to say you're sorry.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 14, 2008, 12:54:05 pm
Being a Klingon means never having to say you're sorry.

Klingons just came up in a conversation I was having with OCD the other day...he mentioned that Watson the cat had one!!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 15, 2008, 08:47:11 pm
Being a Klingon means never having to say you're sorry.

Being politically correct means always having to say you're sorry.

(Told y'all I'd steal it!  :laugh:)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Shasta542 on December 15, 2008, 09:18:12 pm
Being politically correct means always having to say you're sorry.

(Told y'all I'd steal it!  :laugh:)

That was fast!  :P 8)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 15, 2008, 11:04:59 pm



     Good source for great quotes, Clyde
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on December 16, 2008, 10:49:51 am
HEY BRAD!!! I think that's you're cue to re-post the lyrics to "I'm Still a Guy."  :laugh:

Ah yes. The ugly side of metrosexuality. Which of course isn't a sexuality at all: its all style and no substance.

The whole scenario you describe is truly tragic.

Milo

When the Gaultier makeup line came out a few years ago some department stores had makeup artists offer free applications as a promo so I had my face "done" just for fun.  The result was not exactly an improvement, lol!  I later went to the gym, completely forgetting about the make-up.  Let me put it this way, just a hint of physical activity tends to make me sweat profusely, so you can just imagine that scenario!   :laugh:

I don't know how women deal with the pressure to wear makeup!  It's so restrictive!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 16, 2008, 11:04:05 am
I have no problem with guys who want to wear make up or do drag, but I will never understand it.

I am soooo glad to have been born a man, and not have to put that shit on, or try to walk around in heels.  I don't know how women do it.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 16, 2008, 11:19:22 am
I have no problem with guys who want to wear make up or do drag, but I will never understand it.

I am soooo glad to have been born a man, and not have to put that shit on, or try to walk around in heels.  I don't know how women do it.

 :laugh:

It goes both ways, though. Wearing makeup and heels is not an obligation -- lots of women don't feel they "have to put that shit on" -- but if you want to gussy up a bit, you can. Men are stuck with a more limited range of looks. Tell you what, I'm a straight woman, but I seriously feel there are many more attractive women than men, and I think it's at least partly because they have more beautifying options.

It does get ridiculous sometimes, though. Last night I was shopping with my son. I had on boots with a 2 1/2-inch, wide and sturdy heel, but even they were making my feet hurt a bit. I was wishing I'd worn flats. Then I saw this group of young women -- that is, I guess they were young because I didn't really look at their faces. My eyes were too riveted by their boots, all with 6- or 7-inch stiletto heels.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 11:26:17 am
It does get ridiculous sometimes, though. Last night I was shopping with my son. I had on boots with a 2 1/2-inch, wide and sturdy heel, but even they were making my feet hurt a bit. I was wishing I'd worn flats. Then I saw this group of young women -- that is, I guess they were young because I didn't really look at their faces. My eyes were too riveted by their boots, all with 6- or 7-inch stiletto heels.

There was a woman at the bus stop this morning wearing boots like that. I thought to myself, Jesus H.! How does she stand going around all day essentially standing on her toes?  ???
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 16, 2008, 03:47:54 pm
It goes both ways, though. Wearing makeup and heels is not an obligation -- lots of women don't feel they "have to put that shit on" -- but if you want to gussy up a bit, you can. Men are stuck with a more limited range of looks. Tell you what, I'm a straight woman, but I seriously feel there are many more attractive women than men, and I think it's at least partly because they have more beautifying options.


Well, true, but I don't see it that way.

My wardrobe is as limited as I want it to be.  I have shirts in tons of designs and colors, and dress slacks or jeans.  I have about 10  pairs (probably more) of shoes, sneakers, boots.  I have 3 different blazers, some hats.

Do I want my head shaved down to the scalp?  Go clean shaven?  Just a mustache or goatee?  Beard line?

3 different leather jackets, 2 denim jackets.

4 differnet watches, various bracelets, necklaces, belts and buckles.....

Whatever mood strikes me, I can find an outfit and accessories.


Yes, women may have more options, but when I maximize the options I have, I don't feel limited in the least.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 16, 2008, 03:59:13 pm
OK, point taken, but what if you had bad skin and wanted to cover it up. With makeup, you could hide the blemishes. But most men don't feel comfortable doing that. So they're just stuck with the zits. Same if you have invisible eyelashes, need more color in your face, want to change the shape of your mouth ...

Extend that to other aspects of appearance. Until recently, men couldn't respectably even color their hair. They still can't, in certain millieux.  For example, a male artist could get away with showing up in a different colored hair every week. So can a woman bank executive. But a man bank executive can't.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 04:05:31 pm
OK, point taken, but what if you had bad skin and wanted to cover it up. With makeup, you could hide the blemishes. But most men don't feel comfortable doing that. So they're just stuck with the zits. Same if you have invisible eyelashes, need more color in your face, want to change the shape of your mouth ...

That's why God made Adult Clearasil. ...  ;D

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Extend that to other aspects of appearance. Until recently, men couldn't respectably even color their hair. They still can't, in certain millieux.   For example, a male artist could get away with showing up in a different colored hair every week. So can a woman bank executive. But a man bank executive can't.

That's why God made Grecian Formula. ...  ;D

But I get your point.  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 16, 2008, 04:06:38 pm
OK, point taken, but what if you had bad skin and wanted to cover it up. With makeup, you could hide the blemishes. But most men don't feel comfortable doing that. So they're just stuck with the zits. Same if you have invisible eyelashes, need more color in your face, want to change the shape of your mouth ...

Extend that to other aspects of appearance. Until recently, men couldn't respectably even color their hair. They still can't, in certain millieux.  For example, a male artist could get away with showing up in a different colored hair every week. So can a woman bank executive. But a man bank executive can't.

Well, true with blemishes, but I get them, and find that if I really take care of them with a skin treatment at night, they are very minimized during the day, and not an issue.

in regards to hair color, I don't think that most men want to color their hair.  I think that's a trap we've (as a society) put women into....."Oh, are you feeling bad?  Get a new hairdo!  It will change your outlook!"

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 16, 2008, 04:07:11 pm
and by the way, we've really taken the thread off topic!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 04:09:39 pm
It goes both ways, though. Wearing makeup and heels is not an obligation -- lots of women don't feel they "have to put that shit on" -- but if you want to gussy up a bit, you can. Men are stuck with a more limited range of looks. Tell you what, I'm a straight woman, but I seriously feel there are many more attractive women than men, and I think it's at least partly because they have more beautifying options.

Edit:

Views on this issue must really "travel" with gender, because with equal honesty and sincerity I'd say there are many more attractive men than women. Of all ages, shapes, and sizes. Every time I go out on the streets of Philadelphia I see someone, man or "boy."

The women, however. ... Ahem. ...  ::)

Reason for Edit: Foggy thinking because of carb overload.  ::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 04:10:40 pm
"Oh, are you feeling bad?  Get a new hairdo!  It will change your outlook!"

That won't work for you and me, will it, Chuck?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 16, 2008, 04:19:19 pm
That won't work for you and me, will it, Chuck?  :laugh:


Not unless I get a transplant, and after seeing how they're done, I'd rather be bald.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 04:21:04 pm

Not unless I get a transplant, and after seeing how they're done, I'd rather be bald.   :laugh:

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 16, 2008, 04:49:14 pm
You three are so cute!

and by the way, we've really taken the thread off topic!   :laugh:

That's for sure. I didn't see a single expression I hated on the whole page!

Oops, scratch that. I hate "That's for sure."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 16, 2008, 04:53:59 pm
Well, true with blemishes, but I get them, and find that if I really take care of them with a skin treatment at night, they are very minimized during the day, and not an issue.

Lucky for you!  :)

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 I think that's a trap we've (as a society) put women into....."Oh, are you feeling bad?  Get a new hairdo!  It will change your outlook!"

Well, sometimes it does! But you have a point -- it can be used to distract from the real problems.


Edit:

Views on this issue must really "travel" with gender, because with equal honesty and sincerity I'd say there are many more attractive men than women. Of all ages, shapes, and sizes. Every time I go out on the streets of Philadelphia I see someone, man or "boy."

I figured someone here might say that.

I should emphasize that the attractive women aren't attractive to me in a sexual sense, just an aesthetic sense. And men don't "have" to be as physically attractive to be sexually successful. That's a whole nother part of this issue.

Oh, I hate the expression "whole nother" something. There! I'm on topic!  ;D


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on December 16, 2008, 04:55:19 pm

Not unless I get a transplant, and after seeing how they're done, I'd rather be bald.   :laugh:

I always say, if even Elton John, with all his millions, can't get hair that doesn't look fake, then there's no hope for me!  :laugh:

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 05:00:36 pm

I should emphasize that the attractive women aren't attractive to me in a sexual sense, just an aesthetic sense. And men don't "have" to be as physically attractive to be sexually successful. That's a whole nother part of this issue.

Oh, I hate the expression "whole nother" something. There! I'm on topic!  ;D

I understood you meant that aesthetically, and I, for one, have reached the stage where I don't have to imagine every attractive man or boy I meet as a potential sex partner, either. Sometimes it just gladdens the heart to see a happy, smiling, attractive young man.

And shouldn't that be "whole 'nother"?  ;D

Now I think I need to go get my hair done; it will make me feel better. ...  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 16, 2008, 05:03:42 pm
Sometimes it just gladdens the heart to see a happy, smiling, attractive young man.

Yup, I'd agree with that!

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And shouldn't that be "whole 'nother"?  ;D

Sure enough, but blame Annie Proulx for that one. I gave up on apostrophes here on BetterMost about the same time I started spelling it "hunh."  ;D


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Kerry on December 16, 2008, 09:22:47 pm

Not unless I get a transplant, and after seeing how they're done, I'd rather be bald.   :laugh:

I'll join that queue!  :laugh:

I'm what's called "blokey" here in Australia, when it comes to fashion.  Let me give you an idea of what I mean by that:

* I have a couple of black business suits for work. When one wears out, I buy another black business suit.

* I have 10 pastel business shirts for work. As each one wears out, I replace it with more pastel business shirts.

* I have a collection of silk ties for work, which I've been wearing for years.

* I have a couple of pairs of black business shoes which I replace with yet more black business shoes when they wear out.

* For years I have worn the same style black underwear and black socks. When I need more, I know exactly what I want. No need to shop around. I replace them in one job-lot of 10 new pairs of black underpants and 10 new pairs of black socks. I'm in and out of that store in 5 minutes flat!  :D

* I used to have a moustache for some 20 years. I was comfortable with it and it with me. Saw no need to change it. One morning, a couple of years ago, I shaved it off on a whim. Now I'm just as happy without the mo and probably will be for at least the next 20 years.

* I've worn my hair in the same style for most of my life, not that there's much remaining these days. Can't see any reason to change it.

Yep, definitely blokey!  ;)   :laugh:

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: oilgun on December 16, 2008, 10:12:11 pm
I'll join that queue!  :laugh:

I'm what's called "blokey" here in Australia, when it comes to fashion.  Let me give you an idea of what I mean by that:

* I have a couple of black business suits for work. When one wears out, I buy another black business suit.

* I have 10 pastel business shirts for work. As each one wears out, I replace it with more pastel business shirts.

* I have a collection of silk ties for work, which I've been wearing for years.

* I have a couple of pairs of black business shoes which I replace with yet more black business shoes when they wear out.

* For years I have worn the same style black underwear and black socks. When I need more, I know exactly what I want. No need to shop around. I replace them in one job-lot of 10 new pairs of black underpants and 10 new pairs of black socks. I'm in and out of that store in 5 minutes flat!  :D

* I used to have a moustache for some 20 years. I was comfortable with it and it with me. Saw no need to change it. One morning, a couple of years ago, I shaved it off on a whim. Now I'm just as happy without the mo and probably will be for at least the next 20 years.

* I've worn my hair in the same style for most of my life, not that there's much remaining these days. Can't see any reason to change it.

Yep, definitely blokey!  ;)   :laugh:


Blokey?  I'd say more like psycho-ey, and what do you do with the bodies?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Shasta542 on December 16, 2008, 10:43:41 pm
"The kids were finally being have" (long a) for "they were finally behaving."

I don't hate it--it's a regional thing, I guess. But I heard a salesperson say it this week and I thought about how---everyone knows what it means, but it isn't being used properly. Anyone else hear it in their area?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: CellarDweller on December 16, 2008, 10:50:10 pm
"The kids were finally being have" (long a) for "they were finally behaving."

I don't hate it--it's a regional thing, I guess. But I heard a salesperson say it this week and I thought about how---everyone knows what it means, but it isn't being used properly. Anyone else hear it in their area?


around here, people will say (which drives me NUTS) "We have to conversate!"

One time, I turned to the person and said, "There's no such word as "conversate"!  You can have a conversation, or you can converse. 

::)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 16, 2008, 10:53:18 pm
"The kids were finally being have" (long a) for "they were finally behaving."

I don't hate it--it's a regional thing, I guess. But I heard a salesperson say it this week and I thought about how---everyone knows what it means, but it isn't being used properly. Anyone else hear it in their area?

I'm trying to think of whether there's any way that might have made sense in some archaic usage, which maybe could have been the original derivation of the word "behave." Like the way "ain't" was originally a perfectly acceptable contraction of "(I) am not" until people started using it incorrectly with other pronouns and grammarians turned against it.

I ain't coming coming up with anything for "being have," though.



Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 10:58:36 pm

around here, people will say (which drives me NUTS) "We have to conversate!"

One time, I turned to the person and said, "There's no such word as "conversate"!  You can have a conversation, or you can converse. 

::)

Conversate? Hey, I think I kinda like that one!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 11:02:08 pm
I ain't coming coming up with anything for "being have," though.

I wonder whether that's related to "ax." You know, as in, "Let me ax you a question."
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 16, 2008, 11:14:05 pm
I wonder whether that's related to "ax." You know, as in, "Let me ax you a question."

Maybe. I always figured that was just kind of careless pronunciation, but ...

Because they say that a lot in New Orleans, I was going to jump from there to a discussion of all the New Orleans expressions that are weird ("making groceries" instead of "grocery shopping," "neutral ground" for "median," "earl" for "oil" and "oil" for "earl," "when I was coming up" for "growing up" -- there's a ton of them) but then I remembered another kind of expression I hate. I hate cutesy names for cities that get way overused, such as "The Big Apple," "The Big Easy," etc.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 11:29:28 pm
Maybe. I always figured that was just kind of careless pronunciation, but ...

Because they say that a lot in New Orleans, I was going to jump from there to a discussion of all the New Orleans expressions that are weird ("making groceries" instead of "grocery shopping," "neutral ground" for "median," "earl" for "oil" and "oil" for "earl," "when I was coming up" for "growing up" -- there's a ton of them) but then I remembered another kind of expression I hate. I hate cutesy names for cities that get way overused, such as "The Big Apple," "The Big Easy," etc.

They say "ax" (or, perhaps, "aks") for "ask" in NOLA? I remember reading something about the "aks" pronunciation for "ask" years ago, in the midst of the Ebonics controversy. Remember that?

Well, I guess a media is sort of "neutral ground," between two or more lanes of traffic. And didn't Archie Bunker say "earl" for "oil"? Or was it just "terlit" for "toilet"?  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 16, 2008, 11:33:28 pm
They say "ax" (or, perhaps, "aks") for "ask" in NOLA? I remember reading something about the "aks" pronunciation for "ask" years ago, in the midst of the Ebonics controversy. Remember that?

Yes. Well, they use a lot of Ebonics in NOLA.

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Well, I guess a media is sort of "neutral ground," between two or more lanes of traffic.

There's a more literal meaning in this case, dating back from when the city was half English and half Spanish, and Canal Street, with its particularly wide median, ran between them.

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And didn't Archie Bunker say "earl" for "oil"? Or was it just "terlit" for "toilet"?  ;D

Yeah, he did say those things. (and "Goils were goils and men were men ...") New Orleans and certain parts of New York share an eerily similar accent, I guess because of similar immigration patterns.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 16, 2008, 11:38:05 pm
New Orleans and certain parts of New York share an eerily similar accent, I guess because of similar immigration patterns.

Same goes for parts of Philadelphia and New York.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: injest on December 17, 2008, 12:36:16 am
Well, true with blemishes, but I get them, and find that if I really take care of them with a skin treatment at night, they are very minimized during the day, and not an issue.

I just can't imagine my husband putting on acne medicine...he washes his face with a paper towel if he feels he needs it when he comes in...otherwise, he waits for the shower. what does he care if he gets a blemish? the cows will still like him, I will still like him and the guys down at the feed store and local cafe dont' care. It is just not something he thinks about.


but if we are going out his jeans better be pressed that's all I'm sayin' about that! (and he might SAY he doesn't...but he puts some thought in his shirts...in his narrow, gotta be a button down, not wild colored, long sleeve way....)

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 17, 2008, 06:25:05 am

I hate cutesy names for cities that get way overused, such as "The Big Apple," "The Big Easy," etc.


How about - and this one is even yucky for me to type - "Frisco?"

I do enjoy "Left Coast" though.

Oh, here's one I've loathed since I was a whippersnapper:  "lady" this or that.  "Lady doctor," for example.  It's not used much anymore, but oy.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 17, 2008, 10:20:34 am
Oh, here's one I've loathed since I was a whippersnapper:  "lady" this or that.  "Lady doctor," for example.  It's not used much anymore, but oy.

Or the flip side: "Male nurse." I bet male nurses hate that one.



Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 17, 2008, 10:33:07 am

How about - and this one is even yucky for me to type - "Frisco?"

I do enjoy "Left Coast" though.

Oh, here's one I've loathed since I was a whippersnapper:  "lady" this or that.  "Lady doctor," for example.  It's not used much anymore, but oy.

"Left Coast" always makes me smile.  :)

I haven't heard "Frisco" in a long time. These days I usually hear "San Fran," which always makes me think of somebody's Aunt Fran. ...
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 17, 2008, 10:35:25 am
"Left Coast" always makes me smile.  :)

It's sure better than "flyoverland."

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 17, 2008, 10:42:46 am
Here's one that makes me cringe: "Persons" this and "Persons" that!  :P

I know it's done to avoid using "man," but it still drives me crazy because with a little thought I'm sure there is a better way to get around using "man" than substituting "person."

The worst cringe-inducer is the term for an afternoon professional baseball game played on a weekday. These games used to be called "Businessman's Specials," for the "businessmen" who would sneak away from the office to attend them, but that term can't be used anymore, so now they are "Businessperson's Specials."  :P  Since these games are played on a business day, why not "Business Day Special"?

Here's another that relates to local politics.

The members of Philadelphia City Council are elected by district. The members of Council, male and female, are still called "councilmen," and their districts are called "councilmanic districts."  :-*

"Councilmanic" makes me think of a member of the Council jumping around, waving his or her arms in the air, and shrieking hysterically. ...

Would it be so difficult to call the members of Council "representatives," and their districts simply "Council districts"?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 17, 2008, 10:43:48 am
It's sure better than "flyoverland."

Eeew. ...  :P
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 17, 2008, 12:11:22 pm
Here's one that makes me cringe: "Persons" this and "Persons" that!  :P

I know it's done to avoid using "man," but it still drives me crazy because with a little thought I'm sure there is a better way to get around using "man" that substituting "person."

The worst cringe-inducer is the term for an afternoon professional baseball game played on a weekday. These games used to be called "Businessman's Specials," for the "businessmen" who would sneak away from the office to attend them, but that term can't be used anymore, so now they are "Businessperson's Specials."  :P  Since these games are played on a business day, why not "Business Day Special"?

Here's another that relates to local politics.

The members of Philadelphia City Council are elected by district. The members of Council, male and female, are still called "councilmen," and their districts are called "councilmanic districts."  :-*

"Councilmanic" makes me think of a member of the Council jumping around, waving his or her arms in the air, and shrieking hysterically. ...

Would it be so difficult to call the members of Council "representatives," and their districts simply "Council districts"?

You could always call them councilpersons.   :laugh:  *ducks shoe*

Do they also have "councildepressive districts?"
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 17, 2008, 01:02:27 pm
Do they also have "councildepressive districts?"

Friend, they are ALL depressive districts!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 19, 2008, 04:03:27 pm
OK, here's one I ran across in this morning's newspaper: "tasked"  :P

It was in a review of Doubt:

"No, the problem isn't the players. It's with what they're tasked to do."

 :P

A number of appropriate verbs are available to be used in this sentence. It isn't necessary to make a new one out of a noun.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 20, 2008, 02:21:50 am
Here's one that makes me cringe: "Persons" this and "Persons" that!  :P

I know it's done to avoid using "man," but it still drives me crazy because with a little thought I'm sure there is a better way to get around using "man" that substituting "person."

The worst cringe-inducer is the term for an afternoon professional baseball game played on a weekday. These games used to be called "Businessman's Specials," for the "businessmen" who would sneak away from the office to attend them, but that term can't be used anymore, so now they are "Businessperson's Specials."  :P  Since these games are played on a business day, why not "Business Day Special"?

Here's another that relates to local politics.

The members of Philadelphia City Council are elected by district. The members of Council, male and female, are still called "councilmen," and their districts are called "councilmanic districts."  :-*

"Councilmanic" makes me think of a member of the Council jumping around, waving his or her arms in the air, and shrieking hysterically. ...

Would it be so difficult to call the members of Council "representatives," and their districts simply "Council districts"?

Heh.  Because to call them "Councilors" is too close in pronunciation to "counselors".

My issue is with title Catholic 'priests' and the desire of women to be - 'female priests'.

Can't they just call them priestesses?  Or is that too old fashion?  Like actors and actresses?  Hero and heroine?

Or is it too pagan?  Too many Steve Reeves biblical epics having influenced an entire world too much to imagine priestesses as anything other than women dancing wildly before pagan idols?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 20, 2008, 02:25:28 am
Like actors and actresses? 

But as it is, I've noticed they're moving toward calling actresses actors. Once or twice, someone has mentioned an actress with an ambiguous name, like maybe Sigourney though not the actual Sigourney, and said "so and so is a really good actor," and I've started to say "wait, isn't so and so a woman?" but then remembered and stopped myself.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 20, 2008, 02:36:56 am
But as it is, I've noticed they're moving toward calling actresses actors. Once or twice, someone has mentioned an actress with an ambiguous name, like maybe Sigourney though not the actual Sigourney, and said "so and so is a really good actor," and I've started to say "wait, isn't so and so a woman?" but then remembered and stopped myself.

I've noticed that, too, and also comedian being used for both men and women.
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 20, 2008, 02:42:01 am
Heh.  Because to call them "Councilors" is too close in pronunciation to "counselors".

 ???  Nobody suggested councilors. They're all called councilmen now. I suggested representative.

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My issue is with title Catholic 'priests' and the desire of women to be - 'female priests'.

Lutherans--and I think Methodists, too--refer to all clergy as pastors, rather than as priests. I've never looked into the derivation of the word, but today anyway it seems to work equally well for both genders.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 20, 2008, 05:24:24 am
???  Nobody suggested councilors. They're all called councilmen now. I suggested representative.

Lutherans--and I think Methodists, too--refer to all clergy as pastors, rather than as priests. I've never looked into the derivation of the word, but today anyway it seems to work equally well for both genders.




I believe they are pastors because they lead their flock, baaa.  Our Boys Persons were pastors.  :)
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: serious crayons on December 20, 2008, 11:17:18 am
???  Nobody suggested councilors. They're all called councilmen now. I suggested representative.

Newspapers usually use "city councilors."

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Lutherans--and I think Methodists, too--refer to all clergy as pastors, rather than as priests. I've never looked into the derivation of the word, but today anyway it seems to work equally well for both genders.

Or ministers, right? I thought all Protestants, except Episcopalians, used "minister" instead of "priest."


I believe they are pastors because they lead their flock, baaa. 

Oh, right! I never thought about that.  :)


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 20, 2008, 02:45:49 pm

I believe they are pastors because they lead their flock, baaa.  Our Boys Persons were pastors.  :)

Indeed. What I screwed up trying to communicate was, I haven't tried to determine if the origin of the word was gender specific, but that pastor works for either gender, as compared to priest.

What I cannot bring myself to do is refer to the female assistant rector of my Episcopal parish as Mother. Some people do that, as opposed to the male rector, whom they call Father. You'd think we were Catholic. ...
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 20, 2008, 02:49:49 pm
Newspapers usually use "city councilors."

Not in Philadelphia. ...  :P

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Or ministers, right? I thought all Protestants, except Episcopalians, used "minister" instead of "priest."

Episcopalians cling to priest, but as far as I know and can remember, having been raised in the denomination, the proper term for a Lutheran is pastor.

Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 20, 2008, 10:39:18 pm
Elle
I believe they are pastors because they lead their flock, baaa.  Our Boys Persons were pastors.  Smiley
-----------------------------------------


   I believe that they should have been called shephards..? That is non gender.

    Christ was called shephard of men. 
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 23, 2008, 02:32:35 pm
Going forward.   :P >:(

Since seeing this post here, I've been paying particular attention to how frequently this expression seems to be used these days. "Going forward" seems to have replaced "in the future." A couple of evenings ago, I counted five uses of "going forward" by David Gregory, the new host of Meet the Press, in one little segment on NBC Nightly News.  :P
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 23, 2008, 05:19:15 pm
Did anybody mention "Aha moment?"  I'm all for people having insights and epiphanies, but an "aha moment" sounds like an insight with all the depth of a saucer of milk.

We can now proceed to going forward...
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Front-Ranger on December 23, 2008, 05:41:38 pm
Did anybody mention "Aha moment?"  I'm all for people having insights and epiphanies, but an "aha moment" sounds like an insight with all the depth of a saucer of milk.

We can now proceed to going forward...

hehe! I think Aha moment succeeded paradigm shift. Whenever I say that, my friend Chuck hands me two 10-cent coins!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 23, 2008, 10:04:37 pm
hehe! I think Aha moment succeeded paradigm shift. Whenever I say that, my friend Chuck hands me two 10-cent coins!


Why?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 23, 2008, 10:39:13 pm
Why?

Para - digm

sounds like

pair of dimes (10 cent pieces)  ;D
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Ellemeno on December 23, 2008, 10:46:24 pm
Para - digm

sounds like

pair of dimes (10 cent pieces)  ;D


Oh, duh, right.  Thanks Del.  I'm impressed he has a pair of dimes in his pocket to give.  I've avoided having change in my pockets for some time now, I don't want it to scuff (or worse) my phone.


Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 23, 2008, 11:32:57 pm
hehe! I think Aha moment succeeded paradigm shift. Whenever I say that, my friend Chuck hands me two 10-cent coins!


Surely you have to have an Aha Moment before you can shift the paradigm?
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on December 24, 2008, 12:07:38 am
Here's one I'd never seen or heard of until it started showing up on Bettermost:

Christianist

Hunh?  ???  WTF? :P
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: Clyde-B on December 24, 2008, 05:46:22 am
Surely you have to have an Aha Moment before you can shift the paradigm?


Personally I prefer HaHa Moments and then goose that paradimes into high gear!
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 24, 2008, 06:55:20 pm
Here's one I'd never seen or heard of until it started showing up on Bettermost:

Christianist

Hunh?  ???  WTF? :P

Yeah, I noticed that one, too.  Never heard of it before.  But I have heard of Christians being called "Paulinians" before (because they tend to follow the teachings of Paul rather than Jesus).
Title: Re: Expressions You Hate!
Post by: delalluvia on December 25, 2008, 02:10:55 am
Here's one I'd never seen or heard of until it started showing up on Bettermost:

Christianist

Hunh?  ???  WTF? :P

Went and looked it up.  Google is your friend.  From Wikipedia:

Dominionism describes, in several distinct ways, a tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States of America, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action—aiming either at a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law...

Some authors have used the terms "Christianism" or "Christianist" in place of "dominionism," a usage that began as early as 2003...By alluding to the term "Islamist," this usage is intended to evoke the spectre of theocracy and even terrorism (citing, for example, the notorious bomber Eric Rudolph). Journalist Ruth Walker discussed usage of the term to refer to political Christians in a 2005 Christian Science Monitor essay,and commentator Andrew Sullivan advocated "Christianist" as a label for the Christian Right in a 2006 column in Time.