And I'm terrified that Philip Seymour Hoffman will again take Heath's Oscar away from him.
Have just heard the wonderful news that Heath won a British Academy Award. :DIt's too bad he won't be around to accept it. :-\
The whole topic of the Oscars still stresses me out and makes me angry. The fun I used to have watching the Oscars, prior to BBM, is thoroughly gone for me now. I still watch other award shows, but happily try to avoid the Oscars. This year, curiosity may get the better of me and it's likely that I'll watch the best supporting actor category out of curiosity. Usually, that category comes up early in the show, I recall. So if I watch any of it, it will only be that little bit.
Rourke turned me off just from watching the preview in the theater, so I didn't go see "Wrestler."
Oscars? :-\ (yawn) not a chance...
... though I do think Heath clearly deserved the Oscar for BBM, he himself was quoted as saying he's glad he didn't win it, and I believe he meant it.
Did he say why?
I´ll be watching. I hadn´t planned to, but I now have a "msn date" with a friend and we´re gonna watch it together and go the whole nine yards and comment on everyone´s outfits etc. I have even bought coke and popcorn!
Erm... but where will you be watching? What channel is showing it in Sweden? ???I think channel 9 is airing it here, but I don´t have it so I´ll be watching online.
Oscars never meant much to me, and even less so after BBM got the shaft.
Lynne's dumb ideas...
I think the first one won't work until 8 ???
Didn't try the second one yet.
I'm getting errors on some of them, I think, because I'm using my blackberry as a modem..no cable, so slower speed...
I can''t remember the verbatim, I'll see if I can find it. I wonder if any of the Heath-quoters here can remember. It was about the negative aspects of it.
Well, it's nice that Heath won and that his family was there to accept. It seemed like Kevin Klein really wanted to mention BBM, but he said something like "Heath's many other roles...". They also panned to Anne Hathaway in the audience during Heath's family's acceptance, which was quite poignant, it looked like she was crying.
I was thinking tonight that, if Jake had won best supporting actor for BBM, he could have been the won to present the Oscar to Heath tonight. :'(
I was hoping his category would come up first, like sometimes happens with best supporting actor... instead this year it was the best supporting actress. So, tonight I've spent a long time flipping back and forth between the Oscars and bull riding.
I don't know how I feel about this. At the moment I feel kind of numb, but of course, I'm glad he won.
I used the word 'depleted.'
I think for me it's something like this: Of course I'm glad he won. Of course I wanted him to win. Of course he deserved to win. But it doesn't make me miss him any less. It doesn't bring him back. It doesn't make up for the Brokeback Mountain diss. And one statue, no matter how special, doesn't sum up how special he was.
I liked most of the actor pairings in those five-presenter segments. It looked like they tried to factor gravitas into it, so that each presenter was in some subtle way a bit more "veteran" than the nominee. For example, having Sophia Loren -- older, legendary, Hollywood institution -- introduce Meryl Streep seemed more appropriate than having it done by, say, Marion Cotillard (much as I like her). Having Kevin Klein introduce Heath was better than having, say, Adrien Brody do it. The one exception I noticed was Nicole Kidman/Angelina Jolie, whom I see as sort of gravitas equivalents.
. . . Oscar turned itself inside-out compared to 2006.
And then -unlike 2006 - they actually show a gay kiss in one of the movie montages.
And they give the Best Actor Oscar to Sean Penn for acting a gay man who, unlike Ennis, was as out as could be. And Sean Penn, bless his heart, goes up there and really lambasts the Prop 8 supporters and their ilk protesting outside (And the same kind of protesters were around in 2006, but noone critizised them from the stage back then!).
So in a way, I do feel that the Oscars this year did quite a bit to make amends for their 2006 fiasco... intentionally or unintentionally, who knows? It happened anyhow. Brokeback certainly paved the way for these various little steps forward this year. And I'm glad I watched it.
I used the word 'depleted.'
I think for me it's something like this: Of course I'm glad he won. Of course I wanted him to win. Of course he deserved to win. But it doesn't make me miss him any less. It doesn't bring him back. It doesn't make up for the Brokeback Mountain diss. And one statue, no matter how special, doesn't sum up how special he was.
I loved what Mickey Rourke said to Barbara Walters when she asked him what it would mean to him if he won. He said "Of course, it would mean a great deal. But then again, I look at it this way: You can't eat it, you can't fuck it, and it won't get you into Heaven."
Gotta love him. On a side note, I hope he's doing OK with the fact that he didn't win last night.
That Barbara Walters interview was good, and Mickey Rourke was the liveliest thing at that ceremony. He just about out Robert Downey Jr.s Robert Down Jr. I hope this is the start of a comeback for him, a la Travolta's in Pulp Fiction (which Travolta, BTW, now seems to be endangering a second time around).
And while we're on the subject, I would also like to have seen Marissa Tomei win. Though I didn't see Penelope Cruz's movie.
Other observations:
Does Jack Nicholson usually go every year? That grinning, shades-clad face seems like such an institution there, though it's possible that like most people he skips the years when he's not nominated or presenting. Otherwise, I'm wondering if his conspicuous absence last night might have anything to do with Heath's prize ...?
Too many GD commercials!
they paid for it. ;)
I did not watch the show, but was very pleased to discover that Heath's family accepted his award, rather than michelle Williams.did you think she would? She hasn´t accepted any awards on his behalf
yes, I did think it possible; there are few boundaries that hollywood celebs or hopeful celebs will not cross for camera time.I doubt it. They weren´t a couple anymore.
yes, I did think it possible; there are few boundaries that hollywood celebs or hopeful celebs will not cross for camera time.
Well, so far, Michelle hasn't exhibited that kind of behavior.
She has never spoken publicly about Heath.
I don't think she gives a fig about camera time.
In my opinion Sean Penn winning the best actor award for Milk was also a tribute to actors like Heath and Jake and moviies like Brokeback Mountain, and an open stand up for the gay community.
I don't think she gives a fig about camera time.
I thought that Michelle has made a statement or two about the loss of Heath. Am I misremembering that?
She gives a lot more than a fig about camera time, guaranteed. I hope she has been and remains non-commercial about Heath and if so, I will be pleased.
Hmmmm. Penn, especially at his career level, risked nothing to play the Milk character. What are you saying?
Why does everyone in Heath's family sound more "Australian" than Heath did? I know this is partly my ignorance of Australian accents, but to me Heath didn't speak with the accent I think of as typically Australian. Yet his family members do, including his sister.
I'm confused - you guys thought it was good when Robert De Niro made the remark about Sean Penn being able to pull off playing straight guys all these years? I thought it sounded like an insult to gay people.
I have often mentioned Heath's accent here.
To tell you the truth, in interviews I saw him in, I did not think that he sounded like an Aussie at all. I used to put it down to the fact that he went to a private school, and also that he probably has had voice training in his acting classes. His accent seemed more of an "international" accent rather than an Aussie accent, and maybe it was the accent he chose to use in interviews. To tell you the truth, when I think about him knocking around with his Aussie mates, I think the REAL Aussie accent probably came out.
As you say, his parents and sister have a very different accent than he did, which makes me feel more that Heath's was manufactured or learnt.
2) Was it really necessary to have Jennifer Aniston present their awards from the same side of the stage in front of where Brad and Angelina were sitting? Then the camera shot to them every so often, hoping -for what? - it was like the Academy was trying to drum up some drama. Jennifer had her chance to knock everyone out of the back of the auditorium that night, but instead she looked liked she just came from the beach and hadn't combed her hair. Brad and Angie took it well.
4) Cuba Gooding, Jr. You, da man!! Why don't they have him host the Oscars?
10) Boring "Slumdog Millionaire" sweep. They could have just called in the rest of the awards.
Yeah, I cant put my finger on it, but it seemed to be an anti-climax to the whole show, when everyone from from Slumdog Millionaire came up on the stage. I have not seen the movie, but by all accounts it must be very good to have won so many awards, and no doubt to the cast and people involved the occassion was memorable and exciting, but it seemed that THEY were far more excited about it than anyone else in the audience and possibly most of the viewers. Maybe it was because they were all virtual unknowns, maybe it was the thought that they may only be "one hit wonders". I dont mean to sound cruel, but there is a chance that that might be the case, and why maybe we couldn't really care less everytime they won something.
Hmm, some people might have felt the same about Brokeback. It had frontrunner status and was "other".
I've seen the film, and it is great story-telling. And I was excited for them at every turn. And I cared a lot. Especially knowing the odds they were up against. Those little kid actors who really are from the slums of Mumbai.
Sue, you really should try to see it--it's beautiful.
Oh I plan to Paul and I am sure I will love it....I'm a sucker for a feel good story when the underdog comes out on top.
And I did not mean to be cruel with my comments, maybe it was because I had NOT seen it, that it did not mean anything to me. I have seen Benjamin Button which I thought was great.
Do you think people thought that way about Brokeback? I was so far into my obsession with it, and talking about it all the time here, that I never ever thought what people on the "outside" might be thinking.
I know Joaquin Phoenix can probably take care of himself, but I think it's in questionable taste to lampoon someone who's obviously in some kind of emotional distress.
Some of Phoenix's behavior isn't much more far-out than some of Heath's: unkempt, unselfconscious, etc. (the Letterman thing reminded me of when Heath was said to have spent most of a talk show appearance peeling an orange.)
In fact, I wonder if Phoenix, already stressed by fame + career, was pushed to the edge by (among other things) Heath's death. River and Heath were friends. I read that Gemma Ward took a hiatus from modeling, and her sister quit it altogether, because his death shook them enough to explore deeper things. It's not inconceivable that Joaquin would be pretty damn shaken up by the sudden and untimely death of a close peer.
(This is all conjecture, I know...)
I know Joaquin Phoenix can probably take care of himself, but I think it's in questionable taste to lampoon someone who's obviously in some kind of emotional distress.
Some of Phoenix's behavior isn't much more far-out than some of Heath's: unkempt, unselfconscious, etc. (the Letterman thing reminded me of when Heath was said to have spent most of a talk show appearance peeling an orange.)
In fact, I wonder if Phoenix, already stressed by fame + career, was pushed to the edge by (among other things) Heath's death. River and Heath were friends. I read that Gemma Ward took a hiatus from modeling, and her sister quit it altogether, because his death shook them enough to explore deeper things. It's not inconceivable that Joaquin would be pretty damn shaken up by the sudden and untimely death of a close peer.
(This is all conjecture, I know...)
I know Joaquin Phoenix can probably take care of himself, but I think it's in questionable taste to lampoon someone who's obviously in some kind of emotional distress.that thought has occured to me as well. You might be right.
Some of Phoenix's behavior isn't much more far-out than some of Heath's: unkempt, unselfconscious, etc. (the Letterman thing reminded me of when Heath was said to have spent most of a talk show appearance peeling an orange.)
In fact, I wonder if Phoenix, already stressed by fame + career, was pushed to the edge by (among other things) Heath's death. River and Heath were friends. I read that Gemma Ward took a hiatus from modeling, and her sister quit it altogether, because his death shook them enough to explore deeper things. It's not inconceivable that Joaquin would be pretty damn shaken up by the sudden and untimely death of a close peer.
(This is all conjecture, I know...)
I'm of the opinion that Joaquin's recent behavior is a put on.
2) Letterman and his staff would have noticed Joaquin's strange manner long before he went onstage.
3) As Dana Stevens observed in Slate yesterday, no way would Joaquin's lawyers give clearance for Ben Stiller's parody if Joaquin had some serious problem.
And done what? They LOVE that kind of shit. The show has gotten huge mileage from that episode, Farrah Fawcett, etc.
Can you link it? I'm sure it's there, but I looked in the Slate Oscar coverage and can't find it to save my life. (I don't mean that argumentatively; I literally just can't find it.)
Ben Stiller's Joaquin Phoenix impersonation is proof positive that the Phoenix collapse is a put-on. If he were really slipping into addiction or mental illness, there's no way his lawyers would have granted clearance for that segment.]Ben Stiller's Joaquin Phoenix impersonation is proof positive that the Phoenix collapse is a put-on. If he were really slipping into addiction or mental illness, there's no way his lawyers would have granted clearance for that segment.
If you've seen Sarah Silverman, Matt Damon, Jimmy Kimmel and Ben Affleck in the "I'm F'ing Matt Damon" and "I'm F'ing Ben Affleck" videos, you'll know that at least the other Affleck is pretty good at put ons.
And of course, it all depends if Phoenix actually has a lawyer on retainer. Some don't. As I recall, Crispin Glover put on a memorably freaky Letterman show. No one said squat about his weirdness because the guy was weird.
If Phoenix doesn't have a lawyer, that still doesn't invalidate Dana Stevens' reasoning that Stiller wouldn't have risked the libel suit and appearance of gross insensitivity by making fun of his mental illness/addiction/whatever.