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Title: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 15, 2014, 03:10:05 am
Might be spoilers ahead, so fair warning.........

Has anyone seen this?  I watched it again tonight and liked it very much...excellent acting...

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Post by: morrobay on March 16, 2014, 06:48:45 am
Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kjIRxfbWIQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kjIRxfbWIQ)
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Post by: morrobay on March 17, 2014, 02:09:50 pm
Well.  No spoilers yet.  I guess not many have seen this movie.  It's got a 7.5 on IMDb, I can't read most critical reviews because they're in German.  There are only 12 user reviews there, some with comments like: Haven't we gotten past this crap?  Topic is getting outdated, who cares about gay cops these days.

And others like this:  Well constructed scenario with all ingredients needed to demonstrate dangers of crossing the thin lines between gay and hetero.  Negotiating One's Freedom. 

My biggest complaint, to call it a complaint, is that there is no background or information at all about Kay.  We see Marc in his everyday life, as he relates to his pregnant girlfriend and his family and his co-workers, but about Kay there is nothing.  We never see him without Marc, so have no insight into his personality.



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Post by: morrobay on March 17, 2014, 04:53:28 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 17, 2014, 04:54:58 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 17, 2014, 04:56:08 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 17, 2014, 04:57:30 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 17, 2014, 04:58:25 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 17, 2014, 05:01:14 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Aloysius J. Gleek on March 17, 2014, 07:11:47 pm



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(http://www.moma.org/images/dynamic_content/exhibition_page/84318.jpg?1374095402)



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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/
 

Published on Jul 23, 2013
Coming to digital and DVD in 2014 from Wolfe Video! https://www.wolfevideo.com/products/f...

A promising career in the riot control unit, a child on the way, a loan from his parents to buy a duplex: everything is running to plan in Marc's life. Then fellow policeman Kay walks into his life at the police training academy. They start jogging together, bringing a breath of fresh air into Marc's life -- and, for the first time, he develops feelings for a man.

Torn between the life he knows so well and the exhilaration of this new adventure, his life rapidly spins out of control. In this state of free fall, Marc cannot make anyone happy anymore. Least of all himself.

FREE FALL is part of a new wave of powerful German cinema. Stephan Lacant's first feature film tells the dramatic tale of a man who finds himself outside the clear-cut boundaries of his world. Exceptional performances from Hanno Koffler (SUMMER STORM), Max Riemelt (BEFORE THE FALL, THE WAVE, IN THE FACE OF CRIME) and Katharina Schüttler (SOPHIIIIE!) provide a moving portrayal of what happens when life plans crumble and there is no way left to fulfil the needs of the people you love.
 
In his gripping and erotic feature debut, German director Stephan Lacant chronicles the pleasures and pitfalls of a tumultuous love affair between police officer Marc (Hanno Koffler, Summer Storm) and his training partner, Kay. At first Marc brushes off his attraction to his colleague as a fluke, but his feelings become evident the more time he spends away from his pregnant girlfriend, Bettina, inside motel rooms and in remote corners of the forest with Kay. Free Fall, which had its world premiere at the 2013 Berlin International Film Festival, explores the excitement of forbidden love as well as the consequences of secrecy and repression.

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Post by: tforster on March 17, 2014, 09:20:20 pm
I liked FrierFall very much. Another great film is Marco Berger's "Hawaii" ... I've watched it three times...
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 18, 2014, 12:54:28 pm
I watched the trailer for Hawaii and didn't think it went anywhere, but it has excellent reviews on Amazon so I'll probably give it a try.  Thanks for the rec.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 18, 2014, 06:24:49 pm
I watched Free Fall again, and this time noticed more similarities to Brokeback - lots of similarities, in fact.  The music seemed similar to me, both when things seem to be spinning out of Marc's control, and in their intimate moments.  Marc's girlfriend comes up behind him on the bed like Alma did, and he turns and kisses her.  And of course, the first night in the tent, although this is the first time up against the car (seemed a little unrealistic, more so even than Brokeback).  In the beginning all their meetings are in the forest, out in the middle of nowhere, but eventually they go to Kay's apartment.  And the fight they have near the end reminds me of Ennis breaking down; although Kay does come out and say "Don't you get it?  I love you."
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 08:36:19 am
Maybe I'm getting just a little obsessed with this movie; and noticed another thing similar to Brokeback: bookends, beginning and ending.

And the title even ties in w/this:

The mountain boiled with demonic energy, glazed with flickering broken-cloud light, the wind combed the grass and drew from the damaged krummholz and slit rock a bestial drone. As they descended the slope Ennis felt he was in a slow-motion, but headlong, irreversible fall.
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 09:51:29 am
Oh, and Marc gets a phone call while he's at home with his girlfriend so he takes the call in another room, and when he hears it's Kay, he smiles - but just a little, which reminds me of Ennis looking out the window when Jack gets out of the truck.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 09:57:18 am
Couldn't find the screen cap of the phone call smile, but similar to this one-

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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 10:09:20 am
Max Riemelt & Hanno Koffler for Interview magazine


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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 10:34:30 am
Katharina Schüttler is excellent as Marc's girlfriend.  When she finds out, her reaction is the exact opposite of Alma's; one of her scenes made me cry unexpectedly, the emotion was really overwhelming to watch, and to hear in her voice, for me.


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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 10:35:30 am
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 10:39:41 am
from the club/dancing scene, which I didn't care for the first time I saw it, now love it, even before they go in the bathroom

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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 10:43:08 am
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 10:46:26 am
the morning after - anyone been there?

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 11:03:28 am
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 11:05:26 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 04:55:38 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 04:56:39 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 04:58:53 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:04:42 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:06:25 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:12:43 pm

the look Jack didn't have in FNIT - I fuckin LOVE this shot

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:15:20 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:26:12 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:26:50 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:27:25 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:28:47 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 05:33:27 pm
this is the punch, Marc telling Kay "I'm not gay...it was just a one-of with you...leave me alone."

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/c1117da71fe8b44c09a84930c35e8c59/tumblr_n1bhpqWsHF1s87mhxo1_500.jpg)
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Post by: BradInBlue on March 19, 2014, 07:27:17 pm
Reminds me of Cold Case File's 'Forever Blue'  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0908196/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0908196/)  Very powerful love story involving two cops and with a tragic outcome ala 'Brokeback'. I can't wait to watch this German film.

Brad
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Post by: morrobay on March 19, 2014, 09:35:15 pm
Hi Brad,
I was looking forward to this film and it' so much better than I even thought.  I rented it on amazon and bought it right after.  It's got a lot of similarities to Brokeback -
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Post by: CellarDweller on March 20, 2014, 08:00:59 am
Thanks for all the screen shots!  Looks like a great film, and a welcome addtion to my collection.

Brad, I instantly went to Brokeback, but you're right, there are a lot of parallels to the Forever Blue episode. I had forgotten about that until you posted it.

Anyone who hasn't seen it should look for it online.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 20, 2014, 05:51:22 pm
It's tagged as the German answer to Brokeback.

From 10/28/13
Free Fall, the new sophisticated gay drama from German director Stephan Lacant, takes more than a little inspiration from Brokeback Mountain, with a tale of forbidden love between male partners.

Free Fall has been doing well on the indie circuit, with screenings earlier this season at both the MoMA and Lincoln Center. It’s also won awards at TK, TK and the jury award for Best Feature at the Philadelphia Q Fest. Expect DVD and digital-download releases in 2014.


And I could look at Max Reimelt all day - and yes, he's straight - not that there's anything wrong with that  ;)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gw8kzvB3sUA/UbGg_KU4HlI/AAAAAAAAO5U/z3f0GrUlf9U/s1600/free-fall-01.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on March 20, 2014, 06:01:43 pm
Somebody got the cast mixed up.  I've seen on more than 1 website that they list Marc as Max Reimelt, and Kay as Hanno Koffler - it's the other way around.
 
This is from The Daily Grind. 
The film details a doomed extramarital gay love affair between police cadet Marc (Max Reimelt, Before The Fall) and his copper colleague Kay (Hanno Koffler, Summer Storm,) Brokeback Mountain’s cowboys are swapped out for policemen, and ‘fishing trips’ become secluded forest jogging sessions.
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Post by: morrobay on March 21, 2014, 11:58:18 am
Found this review and comment - not everyone liked it.  The commenter says It is difficult to accept that a man in his mid 20s (Mark) had no gay feelings until Kay hits on him - but we don't know that, so I disagree with that statement.

The entire review is on the link.


MOVIE REVIEW: Free Fall / Freier Fall

By The Gay UK January 28, 2014 1:31:00 PM UTC

Free Fall (or Freier Fall, to give it its German title) is an award winning drama from director Stephen Lacant. It has been branded a sort of German Brokeback Mountain, and indeed there are parallels between the two movies, but in some ways Free Fall is more gritty, more rooted in the present day.


by Greg Mitchell | 28th January 2014

★★★★


March 11, 2014 12:07:00 AM UTC by Bruce Leimsidor
This is one of the worst gay themed films I have seen. The two gay characters are merely stick figures; all the other characters, who are straight, are, without exception, hostile, some even grotesquely so. Come on, now. This is Germany 2014, not Nebraska 1955. It is difficult to accept that a man in his mid 20s (Mark) had no gay feelings until Kay hits on him; also, its unbelievable that Kay, who seems to be a well adjusted gay man, would hit on a colleague who had given him no indication what so ever that he is gay. this is gaysploitation at its very worst!

http://www.thegayuk.com/magazine/4574334751/MOVIE-REVIEW-Free-Fall-Freier-Fall/7401440 (http://www.thegayuk.com/magazine/4574334751/MOVIE-REVIEW-Free-Fall-Freier-Fall/7401440)
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Post by: milomorris on March 21, 2014, 03:22:15 pm
It is difficult to accept that a man in his mid 20s (Mark) had no gay feelings until Kay hits on him; also, its unbelievable that Kay, who seems to be a well adjusted gay man, would hit on a colleague who had given him no indication what so ever that he is gay.

IMO, neither of these plot items is unbelievable at all. There are plenty of guys who discover their orientation later in life. Beyond that, some guys just don't feel any physical or romantic attraction to other men until they meet the right guy.

As for Kay hitting on Mark without any indication, well that happens all the time too. Some gay men simply think that its OK to hit on straight men. Other times, a relationship between two guys simply gets to a point, and one of them takes a chance. Without having seen the movie its diffuclt for me to say, but it is possible that Greg Mitchell just plain missed the signals Mark was sending.
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Post by: morrobay on March 22, 2014, 10:41:16 am
Most of the reviews I'm seeing from movie-goers (as opposed to critics), like the movie, praise the acting, and are willing to forgive the stereotypes & clichés, although some cannot.

From film.com
Winner of the Jury Award for Best Feature Film at Philadelphia QFest, “Free Fall” is a melodrama of the highest order. The conflict centers on Marc (Hanno Koffler), a young police officer in training. He and his pregnant wife Bettina (Katharina Schüttler) have just moved into a house right next to his parents, the epitome of traditional family life. Then he finds himself entangled in an affair with another cadet, Kay (Max Riemelt). Boldly erotic and written with an impressive empathy for all of its characters, “Free Fall” is an uncompromising and thrilling debut feature from director Stephan Lacant. All the performances are dead on, but in a just world Koffler would be an instant star.

“Free Fall” has also been picked up by Wolfe Releasing, and will be available on VOD and DVD.


http://www.film.com/movies/best-lgbt-movies-straight-to-dvd (http://www.film.com/movies/best-lgbt-movies-straight-to-dvd)
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Post by: CellarDweller on March 22, 2014, 10:45:03 am
IMO, neither of these plot items is unbelievable at all. There are plenty of guys who discover their orientation later in life. Beyond that, some guys just don't feel any physical or romantic attraction to other men until they meet the right guy.

As for Kay hitting on Mark without any indication, well that happens all the time too. Some gay men simply think that its OK to hit on straight men. Other times, a relationship between two guys simply gets to a point, and one of them takes a chance. Without having seen the movie its diffuclt for me to say, but it is possible that Greg Mitchell just plain missed the signals Mark was sending.


Agree with you on both counts, Milo.  I've heard a few stories of guys who are in their 40s or older, and suddenly they're in a gay relationship.

Yes, some gay men do hit on straight men, hoping that perhaps something will happen, and sometimes, it does.
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Post by: morrobay on March 22, 2014, 10:52:47 am
It's interesting to read these comments, I look forward to more when more here have seen the film.


24th Melbourne Queer Film Festival
13 - 24 March 2014

Free Fall (Freier Fall)

Dir: Stephan Lacant, Germany, 2013, DCP, 100min
Genre: Drama, Relationship, Sexuality, Subtitled
Identity: Bisexual, Gay


German with English subtitles


This captivating German coming out drama unfurls through the masterful filmmaking of Stephan Lacant (Little India, Fireflies). Beautifully shot, Free Fall has gained critical acclaim at 2013's Berlinale and on the film festival circuit. Marc is the perfect picture of a family man - a strong, stern policeman with a chiseled jaw and his first baby on the way. Having recently moved back into his parents' house, Marc and his wife Bettina enjoy a pleasant relationship, although he is emotionally disconnected from all those around him. In police training, Marc meets Kay, a rebellious fellow officer with whom he is instantly at ease, and they share a moment of passion whilst jogging in the forest one afternoon. After Kay transfers to the police unit in Marc's provincial town, Marc tries to repress his desires, but the two men soon embark on an passionate love affair. As their relationship intensifies through nights at gay bars and days spent in each other's arms, Marc is forced to question his future.

With strong performances from the entire cast, Free Fall delicately captures some of the hardest moments of life, showing how quickly a life can unravel when truths are withheld. (Tsari Paxton)

Melbourne Premiere

http://tix.mqff.com.au/session2_mqff.asp?sn=Free+Fall+(Freier+Fall) (http://tix.mqff.com.au/session2_mqff.asp?sn=Free+Fall+(Freier+Fall))
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 22, 2014, 05:48:25 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 22, 2014, 06:06:37 pm
(http://www.moviepilot.de/files/images/0973/2636/foto04.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on March 22, 2014, 06:08:35 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 22, 2014, 06:23:18 pm
Hanno Koffler, Katharina Schüttler, Max Riemelt,  2013

(http://www.berlinale.de/media/bilder/2013/boulevard_2013/10_2_/100213_PK_0157_IMG_FIX_1200x800.jpg)



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Post by: morrobay on March 22, 2014, 06:32:08 pm
Hanno Koffler and Max Riemelt attend 'Freier Fall' cast at Glashuette Lounge on February 8, 2013 in Berlin, Germany.
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Max+Riemelt+Hanno+Koffler+Freier+Fall+Cast+Uv2_9PrArHel.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 09:14:15 am
Finally found something besides the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmrSrM_54I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmrSrM_54I)
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Post by: CellarDweller on March 23, 2014, 11:01:07 am
Hanno Koffler and Max Riemelt attend 'Freier Fall' cast at Glashuette Lounge on February 8, 2013 in Berlin, Germany.
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Max+Riemelt+Hanno+Koffler+Freier+Fall+Cast+Uv2_9PrArHel.jpg)



yum
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Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 12:54:43 pm
(http://www.styleonemagazin.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Max_Riemelt_Oesterreichpremiere_Heiter_bis_wolkig_-_Urania-Kino_Wien_2012.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 12:56:25 pm
(http://www.haz.de/var/storage/images/haz/nachrichten/zish/uebersicht/max-riemelt-im-literarischen-salon/37949896-1-ger-DE/Max-Riemelt-im-Literarischen-Salon_ArtikelQuer.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 12:58:00 pm
(http://ilarge.listal.com/image/6255464/968full-max-riemelt.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 01:06:32 pm
(http://malecelebbio.com/gallery/2013/07/Hanno-Koffler-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 01:07:12 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 01:08:01 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 01:11:40 pm
Max Riemelt and Hanno Koffler at the filming of "foreign assignment" near Marrakech.

(http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/img/archiv/crop170808/3717564660-cwide-w472/koffler.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 23, 2014, 04:17:16 pm
oh my GOD, I wish someone else would watch this movie so I could discuss.  I'm starting to pick it apart like BBM.  

Now I think when Marc is making breakfast for his gf and gets the call from Kay, he smiles, not just because it's Kay, but because of what Kay (possibly) says, something fantastic about their first fuck, or how he can't wait for more, or something.

entschuldigen Sie mich

Now I want to learn German, and that makes no sense.
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Post by: fritzkep on March 23, 2014, 07:16:02 pm
Max Riemelt and Hanno Koffler at the filming of "foreign assignment" near Marrakech.

(http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/img/archiv/crop170808/3717564660-cwide-w472/koffler.jpg)

A uniform I see at work all the time.

I haven't seen it yet, but would really like to. Is a North American DVD available yet?

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 24, 2014, 08:43:18 am
I only see it on the German Amazon & IMDb sites, it was released 'Auslandseinsatz'; you can probably download it from Amazon.  Both actors worked on that movie before Free Fall, so knew each other well.

http://www.amazon.de/Auslandseinsatz-Max-Riemelt/dp/B009P8LEWG (http://www.amazon.de/Auslandseinsatz-Max-Riemelt/dp/B009P8LEWG)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 24, 2014, 06:56:55 pm
this is the song that plays as the credits roll, it's in English.


miss kenichi - who are you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXQotBJKvR8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXQotBJKvR8)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 26, 2014, 10:52:28 am
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Post by: southendmd on March 26, 2014, 11:49:07 am
I haven't seen it yet, but would really like to. Is a North American DVD available yet?

Yes, it's on my Netfflix queue.  I hope to see it soon!
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Post by: morrobay on March 26, 2014, 12:36:30 pm
Oh, I thought he was asking about "Foreign Assignment", not Free Fall. 
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Post by: morrobay on March 26, 2014, 02:50:29 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 26, 2014, 02:51:03 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 26, 2014, 02:53:40 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 26, 2014, 02:54:32 pm
is this gorgeous or what?

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Post by: morrobay on March 26, 2014, 03:01:16 pm
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Post by: CellarDweller on March 27, 2014, 06:31:02 am
If this is on DVD (as Paul said)  I'll have to look into it!
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Post by: southendmd on March 27, 2014, 07:19:55 am
Unfortunately, Netflix reports a "long wait" for Free Fall-- probably few discs and a big demand.
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Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 08:22:20 am
You can rent it on Amazon for $3.99.  I bought and downloaded it 2 days after I rented it.  If you have google chromecast or Roku you can watch it on your TV and not bother w/DVDs, or having to wait.
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Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 09:04:53 am
GERMAN FILM ‘FREE FALL’ EXPLORES SEXUAL SELF-REPRESSION IN MODERN LIBERAL GERMANY, AND IS THE BEST GAY FILM TO COME TO CINEMAS SINCE ANDREW HAIGH’S ‘WEEKEND’, SAYS SIMON MERNAGH.

4.5 stars out of 5

Choosing between comfort and chaos is a central question of human existence. Are predictable lives with families, mortgages and the occasional glimmer of passion the ideal, or should we follow our more adventurous passions? Free Fall tackles that question head on, demonstrating the tragic agony of being stretched in both directions at once.

With a promising career in the police force, a baby on the way, and a fantastic haircut, Marc (Hanno Koffler) appears to have all the boxes ticked. However, the arrival of fellow trainee Kay (Max Riemelt) awakens within Marc a hitherto unknown sensation – namely, what it means to experience same-sex attraction. Torn between his burgeoning family with Bettina (Katharina Schuettler) and these newfound feelings for Kay, Marc’s comfortable life spirals into a free fall.

Director Stephan Lacant’s second feature breaks zero new artistic ground, yet treads old water with such effortless verve, grace and intelligence that any complaints of unoriginality or cliché are overridden by the sheer levels of craftsmanship on display.

Free Fall is garnering attention as the ‘German Brokeback Mountain’, but such comparisons are reductive. While both movies may revolve around the notion of forbidden gay love, Ang Lee’s 2005 film points an accusatory finger at conservative society. On the other hand, Free Fall is set in liberal, modern-day Germany, where Marc’s prejudiced co-workers are lampooned for their regressive behaviour.

Because of this, Free Fall examines the phenomenon of self-repression for the sake of perceptions of ‘normality’. Clearly interested in both men and women, Marc’s increasing discomfort with the heteronormative path he has chosen is palpable. Having moved next door to his parents’ house with his heavily pregnant girlfriend in tow, a horribly ‘comfortable’ suburban life looms on the horizon. Even mowing the lawn becomes too mundane for our poor protagonist.

The sizzling chemistry between Marc and Kay radiates through fight scenes and morning-after pillow talk alike, while Marc’s tender moments with Bettina grow progressively melancholic. Beautiful locations shot with some nifty camerawork from cinematographer, Sten Mende make Free Fall a visual treat. As with so many German movies, emotionally wrenching moments are captured matter-of-factly and without hyperbole; however, instead of feeling clinical, Lacant’s writing speaks for itself.

Although the film deals directly with the German police force, specifically a tactical riot division, obvious parallels can be drawn between the events of Free Fall and the strains of systematic homophobia which plague traditionally ‘masculine’ groups, such as the army or professional sports teams. Though Kay repeatedly (and lightheartedly) accuses Marc of being a “pussy”, Free Fall highlights this negative reaction to perceived ‘effeminacy’, which haunts so many macho institutions.

While not quite reaching the lofty heights of Andrew Haigh’s masterful Weekend, Free Fall cuts us a similarly refreshing slice of realistic gay romance. It’s a quieter, more subtle antidote to the bombastic queer stereotype all-too-often pushed to the forefront of mainstream cinema.


HTTP://THEOUTMOST.COM/ENTERTAINMENT/FILM/REVIEW-FREE-FALL/ (http://HTTP://THEOUTMOST.COM/ENTERTAINMENT/FILM/REVIEW-FREE-FALL/)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 09:15:15 am
I'm posting this review, even though I don't agree even with what he saw on-screen.  For example, he calls their first encounter "predatory" as Kay "chases Marc up an empty road".  It's the place they have run together before, and in the previous scene, Kay asks Marc if he's going running, but Marc declines; I assume the scene with Marc running alone and Kay "chasing" him, is the next day.


2 stars out of 5
Marc (Hanno Koffler) is happily married with a baby on the way, but is finding it difficult to get through the German police academy without getting into trouble or failing his exams (I didn't see that at all). Another cadet, Kay (Max Riemelt), offers to assist him, and the two find themselves oddly attracted to each other. It turns out that Kay is actually gay, and after a while Marc gives into his advances and the two begin an affair together. Taking place in the hyper-masculine world of the police force, as well as Marc's current relationship status, things must be kept very much on the down-low, which doesn't sit well with Kay, who wants to flaunt their new-found love proud and loud. (I disagree w/this assessment, as well.)

Hailed as 'the German Brokeback Mountain', it actually comes as a bit of a shock just how regressive Free Fall turns out to be. Yes, Kay isn't 'obviously' homosexual, and yes, there is still obviously some homophobia to be found in such forward-thinking countries such as Germany, but the character of Kay is still one of the more caricatured gay men in recent cinema.

After the initial seduction scene - which comes across quite predatory, as it involves Kay literally chasing Marc up an empty road - the homosexual character then introduces the heterosexual character to the following: house music in a speaker-thumping gay bar, recreational drugs, unprotected sex in public areas, and relationships seemingly based on nothing more than physical attraction. It’s like a checklist of cliched things that the unenlightened assume all gay people do and/or enjoy.

To the films credit, Koffler and Riemelt have some great chemistry together, and it does ALMOST ask the relevant question of whether it's possible for a straight man to fancy just one other man and continue to be considered 'not gay'. But every time the movie takes a step forward in the right direction, it takes two backwards in the wrong direction.

By no means a badly made film, just not a very interesting or intelligent one.

http://entertainment.ie/movie-review/Free-Fall/238767.htm (http://entertainment.ie/movie-review/Free-Fall/238767.htm)
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Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on March 27, 2014, 09:20:51 am
Wow. looks intense. I will put it on my queue as well. Thank you!
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Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 10:14:06 am
part of a deleted scene

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Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 04:48:15 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 05:01:31 pm
This is one of my favorite stills.  It is my new wallpaper after having the same Brokeback one for 5 years.  Maybe I am a romantic.

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/65/03/e5/6503e59b05f4f138d0f7b51722e7fe32.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 05:05:25 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/BWIS62y.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 27, 2014, 05:06:15 pm
similar to Brokeback, but I think this is a deleted scene.,

(http://i.imgur.com/Jm3RV7j.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on March 28, 2014, 02:42:39 pm
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Post by: fritzkep on March 28, 2014, 02:49:36 pm
This is one of my favorite stills.  It is my new wallpaper after having the same Brokeback one for 5 years.  Maybe I am a romantic.

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/65/03/e5/6503e59b05f4f138d0f7b51722e7fe32.jpg)

Very nice indeed.

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Post by: morrobay on March 29, 2014, 11:22:11 am
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Post by: morrobay on March 29, 2014, 11:45:05 am
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Post by: morrobay on March 29, 2014, 12:19:10 pm
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Post by: morrobay on March 29, 2014, 12:28:01 pm
can we post gif files?  If not, please delete.

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Post by: southendmd on March 29, 2014, 12:35:00 pm
Wow, bf, you really are into this!

I'll finally get to see it.  Despite the "long wait", Netflix says I'll get it on Monday!  I'll report back.
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Post by: morrobay on March 29, 2014, 01:45:20 pm
I really am.  I've lost track of how many times I've watched it.  I can't wait to hear what others think.  The acting is really first class, not a wrong move by any of the cast.  Some reviewers think the girlfriend "shrill", but I think Katharina Schuttler played it spot on.

And I'm reading as many reviews as I can. You might want to wait until after you see it to read this so you are not influenced about the characters one way or another and form your own first opinion/impression, but I totally agree with this assessment that I found last night, from thebiggaypictureshow.com:





Movies about outwardly straight guys having an affair with another man have become relatively commonplace in gay cinema, but most are problematic, largely over how they treat the female characters. They become the villain of the piece, standing in the way of our (male) hero’s happiness. Free Fall deliberately eschews that, as while you never stop caring about Marc, he increasingly becomes the antihero as the movie continues.

He initially seems to think he can have his cake and eat it, keeping everyone happy, but comes to realize that his actions will have fallout for all involved and could end up hurting an awful lot of people, not just his girlfriend, but Kay and all around them too. And when that happens, the movie has ensured you care enough about all the characters to really feel for them.

It’s a moving tale where no one is doing quite the right the thing but you can empathize with the position they’re in, even if you don’t agree with it. There is pain and emotion in all the characters, helped greatly by good performances from the leads, who manage to create a great sense of intimacy. You can feel what each is getting from their relationships and what is at risk.

There are problems, including the fact that Kay is rather let off the hook, even though he knowingly goes into a relationship with a man who he’s aware has a live-in girlfriend. It’s partly the fault of Max Riemelt, as he is almost too good in the role...

I also got slightly annoyed with the movie gay sex. While straight sex in films often veers away from reality, there’s a slight tendency in gay-themed films to show guys having sex in ways no-one probably ever has – at least not without extreme discomfort. Free Fall is still pretty sexy, but it is slightly annoying. It would be even sillier if the film didn’t create a great sense of intimacy and passion between the men’s not quite believable insertions.

Overall Verdict: The ‘German Brokeback Mountain’ soubriquet may not be quite right, but Free Fall is still a very good film – a morality tale showing that even if something offers passion and intimacy you never thought you would have, it can still cause a lot of pain if you try and hide the truth.
Reviewer: Tim Isaac
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on March 30, 2014, 02:53:20 pm
MQFF REVIEW: Free Fall (2013, Dir. Stephan Lacant)




Two hot German cops bunking at the training academy set aside their bravado and start a sexual relationship. Problem is one of the cops has a girlfriend and a baby on the way. Shit gets real when the pair end up serving on the same squad. Cue sexy angst.

 As far as templated queer cinema goes, Stephan Lacant's Free Fall (Freier Fall) pushes to the more muscular end of the spectrum. Its two stars, Hanno Koffler and Max Riemelt are hot enough to get even the most asexual gay man through the film's 100 minutes, and it is shot well enough to abate some of the guilt at having bought tickets off the back of their good looks alone.

 Lacant builds in some intrigue in the forcefulness of the initial seduction and the sexual tension is palpable throughout. The emotional connection takes a little longer to make itself known and when it does the fallout tumbles away into woe-is-me territory. It has its moments though. The affair's first big unveiling is one of the best, Lacant packs his punch in with just an elevator door and a couple of steely looks from mother.

 Fifteen years ago I would have eaten this film alive. Nowadays, the self-hating homo schtick feels too distant. It's obviously alive and well in Baden-Württemberg where Free Fall takes place and I have no doubt that the film will strike a chord with the next generation of young "manly" gays in the world's suburban backwaters. For me though, this is little more than a cinematic flick through a copy of Men's Health. Lots to look at but emotionally insubstantial. I'd prefer it with a little more heart.

★★★


http://cuedotconfessions.blogspot.com/2014/03/mqff-review-free-fall-2013-dir-stephan.html (http://cuedotconfessions.blogspot.com/2014/03/mqff-review-free-fall-2013-dir-stephan.html)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 02, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 02, 2014, 03:24:10 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 02, 2014, 03:25:05 pm
what about us?

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Post by: morrobay on April 02, 2014, 03:27:07 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 04, 2014, 08:03:37 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 04, 2014, 08:10:06 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 04, 2014, 08:12:38 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 04, 2014, 08:16:12 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 04, 2014, 08:16:55 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 04, 2014, 08:19:39 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 04, 2014, 08:29:55 pm
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Post by: fritzkep on April 04, 2014, 08:34:07 pm
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Schön.

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Post by: morrobay on April 05, 2014, 12:22:06 pm


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Post by: morrobay on April 05, 2014, 12:39:47 pm
breathe evenly


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Post by: morrobay on April 05, 2014, 12:56:16 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 05, 2014, 09:20:07 pm
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Post by: morrobay on April 05, 2014, 09:50:44 pm
I'm so so sorry more people aren't seeing this movie.  I wish they had released it in the US.

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Post by: CellarDweller on April 07, 2014, 06:09:01 am
I almost feel like I've seen it with all the pics that you've posted!  ;)
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Post by: fritzkep on April 07, 2014, 05:12:07 pm
I want to see and hear it in German, though!

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Post by: morrobay on April 08, 2014, 10:15:52 am
I almost feel like I've seen it with all the pics that you've posted!  ;)

Oh dear.  It was never my intention to have these pictures replace the viewing of the film.  Do the screen caps of the Brokeback reunion capture that scene?  Not at all.  Only the visual, not the visceral. I hope it doesn’t prevent you from watching.  
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Post by: morrobay on April 08, 2014, 10:20:47 am
I want to see and hear it in German, though!



It would be interesting to know how good (or bad) the English subtitles are.  Like Brokeback, there isn't a lot of dialogue.  There are 2 scenes that really make me wish I understood German, so I could know exactly what was said.  You could probably download it from Amazon.de without the subtitles.
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Post by: fritzkep on April 08, 2014, 04:06:42 pm
Yeah, but I've never ordered a movie that way before online (just DVD's and such), and I'm a bit leery of doing so.

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Post by: morrobay on April 08, 2014, 04:40:47 pm
I don't know why I said "download".  You can rent it and watch it immediately on your computer or on your TV if you have a Roku or other streaming device.

After I rented it, I liked it so much I bought the Instant Video for $9.99.  It puts it in your Amazon Video Library and it's always available for you to watch, but you don't have to download anything.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on April 08, 2014, 10:01:43 pm
I have no idea what a Roku is.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: CellarDweller on April 09, 2014, 08:26:47 am
Oh dear.  It was never my intention to have these pictures replace the viewing of the film.  Do the screen caps of the Brokeback reunion capture that scene?  Not at all.  Only the visual, not the visceral. I hope it doesn’t prevent you from watching. 

Trust me, it won't.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 09, 2014, 09:09:16 am
I have no idea what a Roku is.




(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Roku_XDS_with_Remote.jpg/800px-Roku_XDS_with_Remote.jpg)

Roku is a little box about 4” by 4” that connects to your TV and wi-fi.  It has its own remote control, and allows you to access Amazon, Hulu, Netflix and lots of other viewing sites through your TV.  I bought mine about a year ago.  It’s $50 and there are no additional monthly fees; although some of the sites that are available through the Roku do charge, you don’t have to use them.  It’s great, especially if you use Netflix or Amazon to rent movies.

So if you rent or buy a movie on Amazon or Netflix, you can stream it through the Roku and watch it on your TV, just use the remote that comes with it to access Amazon or Netflix.  So you’re not tied to watching it on your PC, or waiting for a DVD to come in the mail.

I am not tech-savvy at all, but I got it set up pretty fast.  To access the Roku, all you do is switch the mode on your TV remote from TV to AV and it instantly brings up the Roku menu; then you use the Roku remote to choose the channel, and that’s it.

My sister recommended it to me, and I didn't want to be bothered at first.  But it's really easy to set up and use.  I like the fact that the Roku remote only has a few buttons, nothing like a TV remote.  And it beats watching movies on my PC. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 09, 2014, 09:10:37 am
Trust me, it won't.

Glad to hear it  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 13, 2014, 10:28:08 am
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Post by: morrobay on April 13, 2014, 10:28:51 am
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Post by: morrobay on April 13, 2014, 10:29:51 am
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Post by: fritzkep on April 14, 2014, 10:01:23 pm
They make a very handsome couple.

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Post by: CellarDweller on April 15, 2014, 08:33:29 am
I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 15, 2014, 01:12:13 pm
2 deleted scenes, unfortunately (for me) since they were deleted, they're in German, no subtitles - but I get the gist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvt83VBatT4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvt83VBatT4)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 19, 2014, 02:45:37 pm
Really great, open interview with the director and Hanno Koffler, who played Marc.  A bottle of vodka?  Who knew?

’Free Fall’ :: Coming Out in a German Police Task Force
by Sean Au
Contributor
Friday Apr 11, 2014

Some four years ago, budding German filmmaker Stephan Lacant was researching for his first feature film and decided to look into being gay in the police task force. For each of the erotically-charged image of hunky police officers that we see in fantasy-themed photo shoots, pride parades and porn, it is perhaps as easy to find a homophobic incident in the law enforcement environment. For "Free Fall", Lacant’s first film, he follows what happens to a young German police officer as he discovers his attraction to men.

In the movie, Marc (Hanno Koffler) is rising fast in the ranks among his law enforcement peers. With Betinna (Katharina Schüttler), his girlfriend, pregnant with their first child, Marc’s life seems to be moving in an inevitable direction. But when Kay (Max Riemelt), a transferred officer, enters his life, feelings stir that he never experienced before. Torn between his obligation to his girlfriend and his desire to explore these new sexual desires, Marc’s vision of his future becomes more complicated.

Described as the German, contemporary version of Ang Lee’s "Brokeback Mountain," the film has drawn positive reviews. Greg Mitchell of The Gay UK defines the performances from the films cast as superb and praises the film: "It is an engaging and involving movie, beautifully filmed and subtly played out. Lacant directs with a sure hand which is honest and true." Another review from David William Upton of So So Gay rightfully points out that the film, while professionally done, thematically "defaults to tiresome thematic links like homosexuality to drug use muddle the picture. Still, the film’s essential thematic debate between desire and loyalty is an easy one for audiences to connect with, and the attraction of Koffler and Riemelt -- both between their characters and for the audience -- gives ’Free Fall’ enough fire to remain a worthwhile picture."

EDGE speaks with director Stephan Lacant and actor Hanno Koffler about their roles in this bold German film.

Homophobia in the police force
EDGE: Within the four years from the time you began research to the time you finished making the film, have things changed in Germany? Is homophobia less rampant in the police force?

Stephan Lacant:No, I don’t think so. Within these four years, the situation did not really change much. It also depends on which different area in Germany. For example, I think in Berlin, it’s a little bit easier than for example, if you go to the south of Germany. It was very interesting because when the film was released in Paris, and we had the president of the Gay and Lesbian Police Officers Association of France there (tell) us it is the same thing in France. There is also a problem with this sort of homophobic atmosphere against gay colleagues.

EDGE: What did you learn when you were making ’Free Fall?’

Stephan Lacant:When we started this project, I was not sure of homophobia in our society still being a really a big issue. But we researched all over the place. We talked to mothers whose sons turned gay at some point or to guys who fell in love with another man later in their lives who already have children. We tried to get a very complex view of it all and discovered that homophobia is really an issue throughout the society. When it really comes down to their own lives, some people really have a problem with it. Maybe when they are talking about other people, they can be liberal about it, maybe it is not such a big deal; but once it really concerns their own lives, they really start to have problems with it.

Hanno Koffler: The whole story was really, really well written. I could believe all the relations between the characters, mostly between the main characters. It was the story of a love triangle, the girlfriend and the two policemen. It was so strong, the relations between them (that) I could believe them. I was totally moved by the character of Marc. For me, it was always kind of an instinct decision; I could understand him, in the way of how he behaves. He is not a man who uses a lot of words when he is in a crisis. I could understand that. For me, it was a feeling that I have to play.

The self discovery process
EDGE: Your character, Marc, had to go through this process of discovering himself. How did you explore playing this transformation?

Hanno Koffler: He is still in the process of changing even at the end of the movie. The whole movie is like an inside view of his character and how the character is finding himself, facing the kind of truth of his character. That is what the movie is about. So, a lot of people are discussing about the end of the movie. A lot of people are saying, ’I need a happy ending.’ Maybe especially in America, I don’t know; but for me, there is a lot of hope in the end. Marc goes through the process of finding out the really important truth of himself, that is the journey of finding himself. At the start of the movie, Marc cannot breathe; but in the end, he is able to.

EDGE: What are the challenges you faced playing this part?

Hanno Koffler: Playing the role of Marc was an intensive journey. One challenge was to make the love between the two men credible and strong without using many words! Marc is a man who is not able to speak easy about his feelings, especially while he is in the middle of a self -discovery process and inside a big existential crisis. It was also a challenge to show how he is struggling between, on one hand, his idea of an ordinary life as a father and family man; and on the other hand, the new exciting feelings for another man. Marc tries to keep everything together and yes, in a way he wants to have everything, but in the end this was impossible. It was a challenge to make this inner fight of Marc understandable and keep the sympathy for his character. He doesn’t want to hurt anybody, but unfortunately he hurts everybody.

The other thing is that we tried to tell a story for everybody, not only a gay and lesbian audience, we tried to tell a story for a big audience. I wish that a heterosexual man with his girlfriend maybe see the film and afterwards he starts to think about if this could happen to him, too. That would be great.

Finding the right chemistry
EDGE: Is this your first gay-themed movie?

Hanno Koffler: I did a movie a couple of years before -- called ’Sommerstorm (Summer Storm).’ That is a coming out story of a teenager. Marco Kreuzpaintner directed the movie and I played a supporting role, a self-assured gay guy, called Malte. He is a very strong character, feeling absolutely comfortable with his sexuality. He is a seducer and entertaining guy. His favorite game is making straight men queer. It was really fun playing this part.

EDGE: Hanno, how did you establish chemistry and trust with Max, your co-star?

Hanno Koffler: Max and I have known each other for 11 years. ’Free Fall’ is the third movie we made together. The year before the shooting of ’Free Fall,’ we did a film in Morocco where we had just a great time and we become really good friends. The chemistry between us was perfect. Our friendship and being aware that we respect the work of each other and appreciate each other as actors was a great precondition for our work in ’Free Fall.’

Stephan Lacant: Working with the actors was not really a difficulty because they were really passionate about the project and engaged themselves in the roles and that was really helping a lot.

EDGE: How did you handle the intimate scenes?

Hanno Koffler: Stephan Lacant is a great director. He knew exactly what he wanted to tell and to show. We read through all the scenes and spoke a lot about the relationships of all the characters. We also spoke about the sex scenes and about what we want to tell, show and how we want to do that. We trusted him, and honestly, on the set, Max and I had a bottle of vodka and then we jumped into ’free fall.’

The German ’Brokeback Mountain’
EDGE: You must have heard about the comparison of ’Free Fall’ to ’Brokeback Mountain.’ What do you make of it?

Stephan Lacant:(laughs) I heard it quite a few times. In a way, it does not really bother me because I think ’Brokeback Mountain’ is a really good film, but when we were making the movie, (But) I did not have ’Brokeback Mountain’ in mind, it was never a thought of making a German copy of it. We just went with our characters and really tried to tell a love triangle story. It was really funny because when you have a heterosexual triangle, there is no comparison to thousands of heterosexual triangle films and when you make something like a gay triangle, it is always going to be compared to ’Brokeback Mountain.’ I think our film is quite different, although it tells the story about somebody being married and falling in love with another man, that is some kind of similarity, but in a way, I think we tell a much more modern story of it, that is set in our time. It also deals with a different feeling.

EDGE: What do you hope viewers will take away from this movie?

Stephan Lacant:I am very passionate about making movies. I put my whole energy into making a film with the hope that it can maybe change a few minds. What I really hope for is for people to not think about categories of people, like homosexuals or heterosexuals. It is like you fall in love with another person, it is about putting someone in that drawer. That would be nice if people are more open minded in that sense.

"Free Fall" is currently available digital and on DVD from Wolfe Video.



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Post by: CellarDweller on April 19, 2014, 04:01:05 pm
very cool interview, thanks for sharing.
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Post by: morrobay on April 20, 2014, 09:25:50 am
the problem with subtitles -

When Marc is leaving after the first time they have sex, the subtitles have Kay saying "It was really nice".  I saw another clip on youtube where the subtitles have him saying "It was beautiful".  Big difference between "nice" and "beautiful", at such a time.  

I don't know which is right, but I'm going with "It was beautiful".  
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Post by: morrobay on April 20, 2014, 10:22:47 am
Another trailer, this one in German with no subtitles, and some different scenes.

http://www.traileraddict.com/freier-fall/foreign-trailer (http://www.traileraddict.com/freier-fall/foreign-trailer)
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Post by: CellarDweller on April 21, 2014, 08:12:15 am
Yes, sometimes translations don't match with is really being said.
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Post by: morrobay on April 23, 2014, 03:10:59 pm
Speaking of subtitles, I just read a critic's review, he complained about something I also wondered. 

Max Riemelt's character is shown as "Kay" in the subtitles, but it's pronounced Kai by the actors, which sounds much better to me.  So why is it subtitled incorrectly?  Seems odd to have a proper noun misspelled.
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Post by: fritzkep on April 23, 2014, 04:43:27 pm
Kai is the normal spelling for this Scandinavian/north German name, but Kay is a less commonly seen variant. Both would be pronounced "kye".

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Post by: morrobay on April 23, 2014, 08:15:35 pm
I didn't know that, thank you.
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Post by: fritzkep on April 25, 2014, 02:06:30 pm
For some reason I couldn't reply yesterday.

Just a note, Kai is in Germany and most of Scandinavia an exclusively male name.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/kai-1

Although in Sweden it can be female.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/kai-2

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Post by: morrobay on April 25, 2014, 04:18:04 pm
Yes, somehow the thread got locked but southendmd unlocked it for us.

That's very interesting about the names.  

I noticed this: VARIANTS: Kay (Frisian),

and it made me think of a breed of horse, the Friesian, and I wondered if it was German (I am appallingly, embarrassingly bad at geography, but I have other qualities   :) ).  I looked up both spellings and found this:

The Friesian is a horse breed originating in Friesland, in the Netherlands.
The Frisians are a Germanic ethnic group native to the coastal parts of the Netherlands and Germany.

One can certainly learn a lot here  :)

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Post by: morrobay on April 25, 2014, 04:41:27 pm
Hmmm.  I may have to enter Passages Malibu.  This is from Max Riemelt's Facebook page.  I'm not even ON Facebook.

If anyone would care to translate, that would be much appreciated  ;)

(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1534401_10152128058784064_96216204_n.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on April 25, 2014, 04:45:45 pm
this is him in a blue shirt

(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10004025_10152132010369064_1370326694_n.jpghttps://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10004025_10152132010369064_1370326694_n.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on April 25, 2014, 04:46:31 pm
in a sweater        ::)      ok, no more.  But you must admit, he is gorgeous.

(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1888680_10152132008929064_787838650_n.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on April 25, 2014, 04:54:29 pm
Back to the movie - I don't think I posted this one before.  He smoked a helluva lotta dope, more than cigarettes, I think.

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/22/4f/d9/224fd9de09f06d54c45394992fd3d0b1.jpg)
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Post by: southendmd on April 25, 2014, 06:23:12 pm
Hmmm.  I may have to enter Passages Malibu.  This is from Max Riemelt's Facebook page.  I'm not even ON Facebook.

If anyone would care to translate, that would be much appreciated  ;)

My translator isn't very good, but here's what it says:

"I enjoy using it to have pain.  He is a superstar made in Germany and admits an award after the other, not only professionally he exceeds limits, as  he OK! reveals exclusively". 

Hunh?
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Post by: fritzkep on April 25, 2014, 06:57:11 pm
Pretty accurate, though the first sentence would read: I enjoy having pain. (!)

Quite attractive.

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Post by: fritzkep on April 25, 2014, 06:59:29 pm
The Frisian Islands are an archipelago in the North Sea about equally divided between Germany and the Netherlands.

Germans tell Ostfriesen (East Frisian) jokes like Americans tell Polish jokes and Canadians Newfie jokes.

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Post by: morrobay on April 25, 2014, 07:34:46 pm
Pretty accurate, though the first sentence would read: I enjoy having pain. (!)

Thanks for the translations - and that's kinda weird.  I'm hoping it has to do with working like crazy while making a movie, or something.
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Post by: gattaca on April 25, 2014, 08:04:59 pm
Hi, Thanks for unlocking the thread!  

I saw Free Fall (2013) a few weeks ago and have let it settle on me.   Loved the film and I need a 3rd viewing. Overall, there are parallels to Brokeback but that may be only b/c it's a common theme.  Undiscovered love which rips apart both the tormented soul entangled in the feelings and the families involved.

From my experience and vantage, perhaps Marc really never struggled with those internal demons before, but I doubt that.  This switch is not just something one "flips"...  Perhaps Marc never allowed his feeling for other men to surface before he met Kay - many of the same as Ennis and Jack during their time on the mountain.    The film does update the time period  by 40+years but the family still struggles with even the thought of homosexuality and full acceptance by not only his family but his co-workers is as unforgiving and hostile as we saw in Brokeback - only not murderous.

Marc's life and family is much more comfortable and there are opportunities for Marc but like Ennis, he's afraid to take them - aka "come with me..."  or "little cow-calf operation.."   It's so hard to make that choice, to turn your back on commitments made one's entire life.  To in general, "disappoint"  family, spouses, parents, friends who rarely are accepting.   The film covers that angle well, and I think better than Brokeback with the modern family angle - parent's next door, wife expecting, "friends" on the police force, skills outside of ranching, etc..

Also, THANKS for posting the screen caps.. quite good ones!

Let's talk.  Cheers, V.
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Post by: fritzkep on April 25, 2014, 08:20:48 pm
Hey Vincent!

Did you get the movie through one of the online services?

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Post by: morrobay on April 25, 2014, 11:59:40 pm
Hi, Thanks for unlocking the thread!  

I saw Free Fall (2013) a few weeks ago and have let it settle on me.   Loved the film and I need a 3rd viewing. Overall, there are parallels to Brokeback but that may be only b/c it's a common theme.  Undiscovered love which rips apart both the tormented soul entangled in the feelings and the families involved.

From my experience and vantage, perhaps Marc really never struggled with those internal demons before, but I doubt that.  This switch is not just something one "flips"...  Perhaps Marc never allowed his feeling for other men to surface before he met Kay - many of the same as Ennis and Jack during their time on the mountain.    The film does update itself by what 40 years but the family struggles with homosexuality and full acceptance by not only his family but his co-workers is as hostile as ever.

I’m so glad to see your “let’s talk” because as you can probably tell, I’ve been dying to talk about this movie.  I have watched it at least 20 times, and I’m still seeing things I missed on earlier viewings.

Regarding Brokeback, I agree with the take by this critic: Free Fall is garnering attention as the ‘German Brokeback Mountain’, but such comparisons are reductive. While both movies may revolve around the notion of forbidden gay love, Ang Lee’s 2005 film points an accusatory finger at conservative society. On the other hand, Free Fall is set in liberal, modern-day Germany, where Marc’s prejudiced co-workers are lampooned for their regressive behaviour.


Ok, so, totally agree with your statement that Marc probably had thoughts/feelings/questions about his sexuality before meeting Kay, but for whatever reason – maybe strictly because of who he was – Kay was the catalyst that brought everything to the front.  Now, I can only say this from my standpoint as a straight woman; I don’t see myself suddenly becoming attracted to women, since I've never been sexually attracted to them before.

And the homophobia is still very apparent, both by Marc's family and in the police force.  The director made some interesting statements about what he found while doing research for the film.

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Marc's life and family is much more comfortable and there are opportunities for Marc but like Ennis, he's afraid to take them - aka "come with me..."  or "little cow-calf operation.."   It's so hard to make that choice, to turn your back on commitments made one's entire life.  To in general, "disappoint"  family, spouses, parents, friends who rarely are accepting.   The film covers that angle well, and I think better than Brokeback with the modern family angle - parent's next door, wife expecting, "friends" on the police force, etc..

Well said.  How difficult it must be to go against everything that you’ve ever known, been taught, heard, saw around you, what you thought you knew to be right, but were really always fighting inside.  I saw a great quote and thought it must be from a 16th century poet, turns out it’s from Game of Thrones!  “Love is the bane of honor, the death of duty.”  Fits this movie perfectly.

And this line from a critic’s review that I posted a few pages back:
Because of this, Free Fall examines the phenomenon of self-repression for the sake of perceptions of ‘normality’.


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Also, THANKS for posting the screen caps.. quite good ones!

My pleasure. Since the DVD was only released in March, it took a little while for screen caps to hit the net, but they're out there now.  I'm looking for a few specific ones that I can't find yet, but they'll show up.

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Let's talk.  Cheers, V.

Yes, let's  :)
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Post by: gattaca on April 26, 2014, 03:30:10 pm
Hey Vincent!
Did you get the movie through one of the online services?

Hi Fritz, Hope you are well!  Yes, Amazon and iTunes (i think) both have it.  Seems like it was $4.00 to rent or $10 to buy... sadly not available on NetFlix yet..   Cheers, V.
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Post by: morrobay on April 26, 2014, 07:25:54 pm
V-I hope you have time to talk later/next time.
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Post by: morrobay on April 26, 2014, 11:48:33 pm
I found this interesting viewer review.  The bold is mine, in regard to the comment about awkward acting, I didn't notice, maybe because it was noted for the minor roles (the minor roles are indeed minor, compared to the stellar acting of the leads) - maybe, as this person said, it's because of the language?  


Freier Fall tackels about 20 different issues at once – from (undiscovered) homosexuality to bullying in the police force – and somehow it manages to juggle them all and still tell an engaging story that isn’t weighed down by its social agenda. Instead it treats that agenda as practically unimportant which just makes it stand out all the more.

I’m usually hyper-critical when it comes to German films, or more specifically: acting in German-language films (probably because it’s my native language and that just makes me more sensitive to bad acting). And this film is not free of extremely awkward acting in minor roles. But the awkwardness is confined to the minor roles and the big ones are all pretty well cast. Especially Hanno Koffler was fantastic. And Max Riemelt wasn’t bad at all, either. (And they make one seriously attractive pair, so there’s that, too.)

But it wasn’t only the acting that worked so very well in this film. Lacant’s direction is amazingly self-assured and you wouldn’t once assume that it’s his first feature film (but it is). There’s an incredible tension to it all, that had me at the edge of my seat, just waiting for things to explode. Or implode. Get fucked up and tragic in any case.

And his script is really fantastic. The story, as I said, has a clear political agenda, but it’s told on such an intimate, private level that you barely notice all the social criticism flying around. The situation Lacant builds is suffocating, and you’re gasping for air just as much as Marc. But even more importantly, it features wonderful, relatable characters. Both Marc and Kay were great, but also Bettina was excellently written. You wanted to see none of them hurt, even though it was clear that this wasn’t going to happen.

It is rare that a film this serious is also engaging and manages to create a connection on an emotional level, too. But Freier Fall did it.
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Post by: gattaca on April 27, 2014, 07:03:30 pm
Good summary! 

There are indeed social threads, not sure about 20, but almost every scene says something outside the context of what we are being shown.  Even the two deleted scenes as posted were saying something to me when I watched them.  I desperately need 3rd or 4th viewing before I can skillfully comment in depth on Free Fall. 

As you mentioned earlier, speaking the native language - German - allows viewers "better context" b/c often the English translation may not as subtle as the spoken native words.  Since I do not speak German,  I have the added distraction of reading the subtitles carefully as well as watch the film's movement, the eye contact, the gestures and it's more difficult, at least for me, to adsorb the film in this manner.  I've never tried to watch Brokeback and read subtitles - any comments?   For instance, on my first viewing, the bookends for the opening and closing scenes, the what seems obvious now really did not strike me initially - the difference in Marc's stamina.  I attributed the change to all the running  / training he'd been doing as a positive note from the relationship with Kay . BUT then later I realized, it was not just physically - it was much much more than that...   I only caught that on my 2nd viewing.    Hopefully, I can get to watch it again soon.  This weekend was spring chores.  Cheers, V.
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Post by: morrobay on April 27, 2014, 07:55:04 pm
The summary above is from a German viewer, not me, and I agree it is a good one.

I have a problem with the English subtitles, too.  I even put the English into google translate, and some of the sentences don’t sound anything like what the actors are saying, so I know it’s not exact.  As I said before, the one that bothers me most is in the car, when Kay says something as Marc is leaving, the subtitles say “that was really nice”, but I think that’s incorrect.

Having to read and watch is another reason I’ve seen it so many times.  Now I can pretty much just watch the actors faces, and take in the whole scene, since I know the dialogue.  I like the way the director shot the interiors dark and very close in, confining - suffocating, as Marc himself says in one scene.  Hanno Koffler is so good in that scene; he can’t even put his feelings into words, (although maybe if he wasn’t talking to his girlfriend it would be easier   :)).  But it’s heartbreaking.

There is so little dialogue between the two men that I find myself re-watching scenes where they talk to each other.  When Kay follows him in the car and they have the scene on the side of the road.  It’s the most passion Marc shows, apart from their intimate moments; I think it’s very good, and it’s showing another time where he can’t breathe, he can barely catch his breath as he tries to do and say what he thinks he should be doing – pushing Kay away - but not what he wants to do.  It matches the passion he shows at Kay’s apartment, when they have the argument.

And yes, the beginning and ending bookends – brilliant on Lacant’s part, I think.  Marc has finally learned to breathe evenly, accept things that, until Kay, seemed impossible to accept.  I also bought and downloaded the soundtrack, and the last track is titled “Back on the Track”, losing the freedom of the forest that he had with Kay.

I read another review today (yes, I clearly have too much free time on my hands  :)) about symbolism of colors used, and a few other things, I’ll leave that for another post.

I think the ending, while not happy, is at least a little hopeful. 


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Post by: mariska on April 28, 2014, 10:03:49 am
Hi, i'm from the Netherlands and  I speak a little english and a little german so maybe I can help with the subs. In the car Kay said to Marc that it was beautiful (the german word schön means beautifull).
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Post by: morrobay on April 28, 2014, 10:30:37 am
Hi Mariska,
Thank you so much for posting about this!  And I'm so glad to know exactly what he said: It was beautiful.

Did you like the movie?
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Post by: mariska on April 28, 2014, 04:47:46 pm
I thought the movie was so great. To be honest, I watched it because I like Max Riemelt so much  and I really did not expect this film would have such an impact on me. I watched it several times now and I'm still thinking about it.
Some of my thoughts (and excuse my bad English please)
I regret that many people seem to think that this movie is only interesting for gay people.  What happens to Marc  happens all the time to straight people. I mean, being settled,  children etc. and then suddenly falling in love with someone else. Of course the fact that Kay is a man makes it even more confusing, but it’s the same struggle about making choices.
It’s a beautiful but realistic story and interesting to watch for everybody.
I found the relationship between Marc and Kay most of the time so beautiful and real and touching. So much chemistry between them.  But I wonder if Marc really loved Kay. Why did he hit him? And why did he leave Kay behind when he was beaten up, without words, without a hugh or kiss. Just gave his key back and left. That was really so heartbreaking.
I know a lot of people did not like the end. I didn’t like it either. It is a realistic movie so there has to be a realistic end. Marc has to work things out first. But the separation with Kay was too fast, too hard and too sudden. A little bit of hope for the future would have been nice.
If there will be a freier fall 2 (I hope so I hope so),  I would like to know what Marc is going to do. Can he accept the way it ended with Kay? Will he try to find him? To find out what his feelings are, or maybe just to close things  up decently? Was Kay just an eye opener for Marc to show him that he was not really happy in his life or is he the love of his life?
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Post by: morrobay on April 28, 2014, 05:55:33 pm
Great to read your thoughts about the movie, I loved it, as you can tell from all my posts   :)  . And Max Riemelt is not only stunning to look at, but an exceptional actor.  I’ve looked up some info about him online, he’s been acting for more than 15 years, a long time.  He got excellent reviews for Napola and I would like to see it, but I’m afraid I couldn’t take the physical or emotional violence.

Marc & Kay’s relationship is beautiful, and the actors were totally committed to their roles and held nothing back.  The chemistry between them is unbelievable, as you said.  I have so many favorite scenes; early in the film, when Marc is smoking in the parking lot and Kay comes up to him, taking a cigarette, grabbing his hand for a light - so confident.  I love the looks between them.  And the kiss in the hospital!  Schön   :)

But you bring up some good questions about Marc.  When he hit him, I think he was just so confused about the whole thing; he’s lashing out because he doesn’t know what else to do, he can’t admit his own feelings to himself.  He never tells Kay he loves him, in fact I would wish for a little more dialogue between them.  I believe he loves Kay, but there is too much going on for him to be able to put his feelings into words, I think.  His whole relationship with Bettina, a new baby, his parents and co-workers finding out – he is overwhelmed.

And yes, it was heartbreaking when he left Kay without a touch or a word.  You could see the pain in his face as he waits for the elevator, but I want to scream at him to go back.  Maybe I’ve watched this a few too many times!
One of the great things about the script and the acting by Hanno Koffler is that even though he acts like a jerk sometimes, you still care about him, and can understand why he’s acting like a jerk.

I didn’t mind the ending, I thought there was hope for the future, and Marc certainly learned a lot about himself, and seemed to be able to face what was once utterly unthinkable to him.  And it certainly leaves it open to a sequel, which would be fantastic.  I want to know the answers to all the questions you stated.

Did you also like Brokeback Mountain?  I’m also wondering how you found this forum, was it Brokeback or Free Fall?

I’m really happy that you posted, your English is excellent, I hope you continue to post here, and on the other threads.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 28, 2014, 07:34:24 pm
I googled freier fall (i`m a little obsessed too) and found this forum. You wrote that you want to discuss this movie. Well, so do I, it`s just that writing in English is a little difficult for me because I can`t express myself the way I want to. I tried google translator but that`sreally a mess  :o. 
About Max: you`re totally right. He is a great actor and really gorgeous. I saw Napola twice. I thougt it is a very good movie and Max acting is great. There are indeed some heavy moments in this movie, but it`s worthwile (?) watching. I must say, Max looks very young in the movie and I like him more as he is now. More mature, more sexy. I also saw die Welle and a recent movie Heiter bis Wolkig. This was a really great movie and shows a different side of max. And he looked really gorgeous in this film. Oke, I could talk all day about Max but enough now.

I saw brokeback mountain too and I think it is a great movie with a very emotional ending. I also like Jake and Heath a lot but i did not see the chemistry Marc and Kay had. And that makes free fall my favorite.

I have read a lot of background info about freier fall and Max (Max again  ::) and Hanno and interviews and stuff. I think it is really beautifull that they are such close friends in real life. Both say that they did not want to do this movie with someone else because they have a chemistry in real life (not sexual I guess because they both are straight). Don`t you think that`s cute? I think that`s why they are so good in this movie,  their great acting skills but also their real friendship.

I agree with you about Marc being upset and confused. And you`re right, even though he is not always nice to Kay, it`s understandable and I could feel his emotions, it is just so sad for Kay. Anyway, both are great actors and very handsome.

Well, I come back tomorrow. Good night for now.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 28, 2014, 08:27:13 pm
Just one more thing. You said you would have liked some more dialogue between the guys. So did I but on the other hand: it was all the non verbal that made it so intense. The sexual tension, the looks at each other, the expression on their faces. And their love scenes, growing from sexual to real love (I know I don,t say this right but I hope you understand what I mean).
Without words telling a beautifull love story. Again, great actors both of them.
I think you are right about Marc and that he did love Kay. I remember now the way he looked at him.





Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 28, 2014, 08:55:36 pm
Now that I think about it, you're so right about less dialogue making it more intense, and I understand exactly what you're saying: "without words, telling a beautiful love story" - yes. 

I have read a lot of the reviews of the movie, I had to use google translate for the German ones, and one of them said that every time one of them took a drag on a cigarette you just knew he was thinking about the other, and it's so true. 

I may give Napola a try; I knew Max was much younger then, and he has only gotten better with age!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: CellarDweller on April 29, 2014, 07:59:47 am
Nice to see you both discussing this movie,  and I"m glad you both liked it.

Welcome Mariska!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 29, 2014, 10:27:26 am
I googled freier fall (i`m a little obsessed too) and found this forum.

Glad I'm not the only one who's obsessed!  It's easy to lose yourself in a movie as well-made and well acted as this one.

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You wrote that you want to discuss this movie. Well, so do I, it`s just that writing in English is a little difficult for me because I can`t express myself the way I want to. I tried google translator but that`sreally a mess  :o. 

Your express yourself very well, I understand all the feelings your write about.  and yes, google translate is not so good, but at least I can read and understand a little of the written reviews from the German press, so that's good.

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About Max: you`re totally right. He is a great actor and really gorgeous. I saw Napola twice. I thougt it is a very good movie and Max acting is great. There are indeed some heavy moments in this movie, but it`s worthwile (?) watching. I must say, Max looks very young in the movie and I like him more as he is now. More mature, more sexy. I also saw die Welle and a recent movie Heiter bis Wolkig. This was a really great movie and shows a different side of max. And he looked really gorgeous in this film. Oke, I could talk all day about Max but enough now.

LOL about talking about Max all day!  I understand that!  I wish more of his movies had English subtitles, I would like to see Heiter bis Wolkig.  I read a few reviews and saw pictures at the premiere, looks interesting.


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I saw brokeback mountain too and I think it is a great movie with a very emotional ending. I also like Jake and Heath a lot but i did not see the chemistry Marc and Kay had. And that makes free fall my favorite.

Very interesting that you found more chemistry between Marc & Kay - and I think you may be right.  I think some of it has to do with the time and place.  And there is so much more physical contact between them than there is in Brokeback.  We actually get to see the relationship evolve and get stronger for a while, but, like Brokeback, "society" rules.

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I have read a lot of background info about freier fall and Max (Max again  ::) and Hanno and interviews and stuff. I think it is really beautifull that they are such close friends in real life. Both say that they did not want to do this movie with someone else because they have a chemistry in real life (not sexual I guess because they both are straight). Don`t you think that`s cute? I think that`s why they are so good in this movie,  their great acting skills but also their real friendship.

Yes, I think it's wonderful that they have such a close, personal friendship that enables them to give so much to the film.  It can't be easy to do something like that; even in this "day and age" it's still difficult to portray such a fierce sexual love as they did - especially being straight.

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I agree with you about Marc being upset and confused. And you`re right, even though he is not always nice to Kay, it`s understandable and I could feel his emotions, it is just so sad for Kay. Anyway, both are great actors and very handsome.

Yes, it's very sad for Kay.  He is so open and ready to give so much, but Marc is just not ready yet.

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Well, I come back tomorrow. Good night for now.

I look forward to many more discussions about the movie and the actors, thank you.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 29, 2014, 10:40:48 am
You said you were hoping for a Freier Fall 2 (me, too!) - have you read or heard any talk about it in the German press?  That would be so great!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 29, 2014, 12:13:53 pm
Mariska, I have another translation question.  After the karate class when they're in line to put the equipment away, Britt and Kay agree to meet in the canteen - but again the subtitles don't "sound" right. 

She says "do you want to meet in the canteen?"  Kay replies "Sure", then the subtitles read "Okay, see you in a bit".  but they each say the same word to each other, in agreement to meet in the canteen.  The only way I can describe it is to say what it sounds like, phonetically, in English, which is "stretch".  Sorry, it's embarrassing to rely on phonetics.

can you translate?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 29, 2014, 12:17:10 pm
Mods, I have to say that I love the banner on the home page!  Thanks so much for bringing this great movie to everyone's attention.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Sophia on April 29, 2014, 02:46:52 pm
I saw for the first time today Free Fall and I must say I was very surprised. I liked it a lot. Especially the hot love scene in the rain with the car in the backround. Let just say it has given the car guide rail a new meaning.  :)



[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4BeOUAsHgQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 29, 2014, 02:58:34 pm
CellarDweller: Thank you! I guess I'm the only Dutch person here  :).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 29, 2014, 03:28:35 pm
Butlers Fantasy: i can't see any of your postings when  I'm logged in. To see/read them, i have to log out en then log in again to answer. Any idea what I did wrong?

To answer your translation question: to be sure I wachted that scene again. Britt says: will I meet you in the canteen? Kay: yes, sure. Britt: then i'll see you there.
And then they say to eachother: bis gleich (no not stretch, haha).
The literal translation is: till soon (so something like see you soon or see you later).

If you have any further questions about translation, please ask. It gives me a good excuse  to watch (part of) the movie AGAIN.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 29, 2014, 03:45:31 pm
Your question about a sequal: no I'm sorry, i didn't hear/read anything about it. I know many people would like a second part.

But.......the DVD contains in the extra's the movie with audio comments from director and Hanno and Max.
And during the last scene (Marc running alone) they were talking about the open end. And Stephan Lacant said: it makes you wanting a second part. In about 5 years freier fall 2. And then they all laughed.

I don't know if it was a joke or not (hope not).
But I don't want to wait 5 years, I want it NOW!

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 29, 2014, 05:34:57 pm
Butlers Fantasy: i can't see any of your postings when  I'm logged in. To see/read them, i have to log out en then log in again to answer. Any idea what I did wrong?


That is strange.  Not sure what happened.  You have to be logged in to reply, but you should be able to read the thread at any time.  Maybe someone else here can help?

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To answer your translation question: to be sure I wachted that scene again. Britt says: will I meet you in the canteen? Kay: yes, sure. Britt: then i'll see you there.
And then they say to eachother: bis gleich (no not stretch, haha).
The literal translation is: till soon (so something like see you soon or see you later).

If you have any further questions about translation, please ask. It gives me a good excuse  to watch (part of) the movie AGAIN.


Thank you for the translation.  When I put "bis gleich" into google translate, it came up "to equal", so that's no help, it's so nice of you to offer to help me understand.  Please don't ever apologize for your English!  It's excellent, and as you can see, my knowledge of German is non-existent! 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 29, 2014, 05:41:49 pm
Your question about a sequal: no I'm sorry, i didn't hear/read anything about it. I know many people would like a second part.

But.......the DVD contains in the extra's the movie with audio comments from director and Hanno and Max.
And during the last scene (Marc running alone) they were talking about the open end. And Stephan Lacant said: it makes you wanting a second part. In about 5 years freier fall 2. And then they all laughed.

I don't know if it was a joke or not (hope not).
But I don't want to wait 5 years, I want it NOW!



Ah, I don't have the DVD, I watch it on Amazon.  So that is good to know about the extras, maybe I'll buy the DVD.  But I'll need you to translate for me!  Just kidding.  

I hope they weren't joking about a sequel!  I have had this in my Netflix queue since last summer (I don't even belong to Netflix any more), long before it was released, so I've waited a long time for the first one, I guess I could wait for part 2.

Thanks so much, I'm very glad you found this place and decided to post, it's nice talking to you.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 29, 2014, 06:02:47 pm
Thank you very much, it is not excellent (the english)  but the main thing is you can understand me.
I learned German at school. And Germany and the Netherlands are neighbour countries, so that's why I speak German.

About the article in which Max says he likes pain: in his spare time he likes sports like boxing. It keeps him humble (something like that).
I think that makes sense.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 29, 2014, 06:18:46 pm
So you are tri-lingual - that is great; and I only speak English  :-\

Oh, ok, so about the pain, he meant in sports - interesting.  What about his private life?  I read he has a daughter, but is not married.

You know how horrible the paparazzi are here, following celebrities and taking pictures while they are eating in restaurants, or just walking around, etc.  Hanno and Max must be pretty big celebs in Germany, is there a lot of that for them? 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 29, 2014, 06:51:31 pm
Hi Nancy (I was wondering whether you were a boy or a girl  :), nice talking to you too.
And I will tell you some nice things about the audio comments tomorrow if you are interested.

Max has a 6 year old daughter but is not together with the mother anymore.
About Max and the paparazi I tell you tomorrow. He is not the kind of guy that wants to be in the spotlight in his private life and his privacy is very important to him.

Bedtime fot Dutch people now (0.45 am).

See you later  :)



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 12:06:15 am
I found a couple pics that I haven't posted yet.  I won't put up or link the NSFW ones

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wbEpUZtvIVo/UmvWYB40GrI/AAAAAAAApJs/F5rRtNJNRs4/s1600/feier+fall+im2.png)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 12:15:24 am
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/69/54/6a/69546a3f9649d5a25c670e58e24ff761.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 12:16:09 am
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f8/ed/2c/f8ed2cf4851e6b88cd735e9231e588a8.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 12:17:19 am
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/46/8f/11/468f11462a65b7c6810bbd55176178da.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Penthesilea on April 30, 2014, 12:38:03 am
I found a couple pics that I haven't posted yet.  I won't put up or link the NSFW ones


Feel free to link the NSFW ones with an according warning! :)

I'm German but haven't seen the movie.

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Sorry, it's embarrassing to rely on phonetics.

You could check whether the US version of the DVD has German subtitles. If so, it might be worth buying it. If you had subtitles you could post here, I'd also be happy to help with any translations.
But so far Mariska has done a splendid job translating! :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Penthesilea on April 30, 2014, 12:44:33 am
Hi Mariska, welcome to BetterMost!
It's wonderful that you're able to help BF out with translations and you've done a great job with it. Your English is absolutely fine! No need to be shy about it, we're not in grammar school here  ;). I'm also a foreign speaker; just jump in and don't be afraid of making mistakes. We all make them, even the native speakers!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: CellarDweller on April 30, 2014, 08:44:35 am
We all make them, even the native speakers!

You can say that again!  Sometimes I see posts from English speakers on the internet and think:  "I know a number of Euros who can post in English better than you!"

:laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on April 30, 2014, 11:18:31 am
Wow. The police smoke pot in Germany? How cool is that? ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Sophia on April 30, 2014, 11:26:42 am
 Hi everyone,

if you interested in seeing the movie this link can give you an option. Search for Free Fall, you can see the movie with subtitle.

http://www.primewire.ag/
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 01:41:34 pm
Thank you, Sophia.  I haven't tried the link, but I hope people will use it to see the movie.

On another subject, we may have to start a "German as a second language" thread!  I was looking at German for Dummies online - how many words are there for "the" anyway?   ;D  So far I've found das, der and die, and don't know when it's right to use which one.  And just learning to speak isn't enough, it's knowing what someone is saying to you that is the harder part, I think.

das Brot
der Aufschnitt
die Cerealien

And all nouns are capitalized?  Didn't know that.  I also can't follow the sentence structure, the same words are in different formation than in an English sentence.  And I thought English was hard   :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 02:01:07 pm
I just googled "how long does it take to learn German", and found lots of funny and interesting comments, these from different people stood out:


Mark Twain said "Life is too short to learn German".

"It took me roughly four to six years. I've been here 29 years and still don't get the der, die and das."


"I married a German and moved here 11 years ago (okay, we did spend five of those years in the US) and I still can't keep up with Germans in conversation. Part of it may be that I've had to learn German and Bavarian at the same time, but still, the word order and the du/Sie thing do my head in. And really, how many words for "the" does any language need?"

"I really think there are as many rules as exceptions in the German grammar. I think learning German for four months required more brain power that getting my engineering degree. "
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 30, 2014, 02:19:34 pm
Hi Butlers Fantasy (I will call you BM oke),

Learning the German language is difficult. At school everybody hated it. The language is schön but the grammar is really terrible to learn.




Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 30, 2014, 02:27:27 pm
Hi Penthesilea, thank you very much  :).
Are you planning to watch freier fall?

So you are German. Then you might be the Max Riemelt expert.
Do you know if he really is a celebrity in Germany?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: brian on April 30, 2014, 03:10:34 pm
Thank you, Sophia.  I haven't tried the link, but I hope people will use it to see the movie.

On another subject, we may have to start a "German as a second language" thread!  I was looking at German for Dummies online - how many words are there for "the" anyway?   ;D  So far I've found das, der and die, and don't know when it's right to use which one.  And just learning to speak isn't enough, it's knowing what someone is saying to you that is the harder part, I think.

das Brot
der Aufschnitt
die Cerealien

And all nouns are capitalized?  Didn't know that.  I also can't follow the sentence structure, the same words are in different formation than in an English sentence.  And I thought English was hard   :)

I love German. I learnt it for 4 years at High School then took it in my first year at University. Unfortunately I dropped it after 1 term as I had too heavy a load. I then failed French so decided not to be a language teacher  ???  Instead I taught Geography and Economics and that was all 50 years ago. I can read French better but my accent is terrible and I find German announcements on trains easier to follow.
Actually once you learn it, German sentence structure is more regular than English. English always has so many exceptions to the rule. For us native speakers we do not notice.  In German, the main verb is always second but any other verbs are at the end of the sentence. It is best to learn der/die/das along with the word. The strange thing is that girl (Mädchen) is das or neuter but that is because all nouns with "little" chen or lein attached are neuter.
French structure is more like English so it is easier to translate as you go.
Anyway I had better shut up before I make a fool of myself with native German speakers. ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 03:37:34 pm
I showed Rottweilers in conformation and obedience shows in the 1980s with my husband (although everyone said the Germans never let the really great Rotts outside of Germany).  Some people we knew used German when obedience training their Rotts, but I never got past Fuß and Schutzhund  ;)



This is an interesting site (link below), but the videos are 15 minutes to watch - a Chinese-American married a German girl and was determined to speak German so he could talk to his in-laws.  It's a very cute story, and after 3 months, he taped a 20 minute conversation with his FIL, not perfect, but pretty damn good.

"Until Julia, my father-in-law (Papa), and I went on an epic 8-day, 96-mile hike, climbing 9,186 feet through the Austrian Alps (at right).
Since Papa cannot speak a word of English, Julia was doing all the translation during the entire hiking trip. I just thought that it was not very cool on my part.
Even though Papa took me to a torture museum the first time I met him 8 years ago, he had accepted me, a Chinese American, into his traditional Austrian family with open arms.
So by the end of our hiking trip, I decided that it was finally time for me to learn German.
After I came home from the trip, I started doing research on what is the best and fastest way to learn a new language."



http://hackthesystem.com/blog/how-to-learn-a-language-5-hacks-to-learning-german-in-3-months/ (http://hackthesystem.com/blog/how-to-learn-a-language-5-hacks-to-learning-german-in-3-months/)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 30, 2014, 07:54:32 pm

Hi Mariska,

can you please help me with subtitles again?


Right before this scene where Kay comes up after Marc in his car and they argue on the side of the road.  Kay tells Marc that he should just admit to being gay.

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/00/86/8f/00868f73dad04bfb65973e638721540c.jpg)


But then I’ve seen 2 different subtitles of what Kay says to Marc, right before he hits Kay.

Marc, it isn’t easy for me...
Marc, you wouldn’t....

What does he really say to Marc?

thanks for your help
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 30, 2014, 08:27:44 pm
Hi, I had to watch that scene again because I couldn't remember that Kay said anything. But he did.In English itwould be like: for me it is not.........too. I think he wanted to say easy but he could not finish the sentence. The word easy is in german the last word of that sentence. Literally translated he said: for me it is also not.........and then marc hits him  :'(





Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on April 30, 2014, 08:36:40 pm
Can you image? I saw that movie at least ten times but I never noticed that kay said something.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: CellarDweller on May 01, 2014, 08:44:20 am
Hi everyone,

if you interested in seeing the movie this link can give you an option. Search for Free Fall, you can see the movie with subtitle.

http://www.primewire.ag/


Thanks Sophia!  I'll check it out this weekend.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 10:06:25 am
Hi, I had to watch that scene again because I couldn't remember that Kay said anything. But he did.In English itwould be like: for me it is not.........too. I think he wanted to say easy but he could not finish the sentence. The word easy is in german the last word of that sentence. Literally translated he said: for me it is also not.........and then marc hits him  :'(


Hi Mariska,
thanks so much.  So the sub is correct.  If you watch the video that Sophia posted a few pages back, the subs of that scene, starting when Marc is at the car door, are different from what is on the movie that I bought on Amazon.

As for watching it so often and still seeing/hearing new things: yes, I have seen it many, many times and still pick up new things.  I did a volume boost for my laptop speakers, and I can hear now even their breathing in scenes where I never heard it before.  When Kay tells Marc he loves him, his breathing is very fast and ragged, almost as if he's been running; his emotion comes through so clear.

Thanks again for your help.  For a movie that I love like this one, it's so great to know their exact words.  And I wonder why it's so hard to get subtitles correct, as literal as possible.  I'd like to have a word with whoever translated "schön" into "nice"  >:(

ETA: ok, so I got this on google translate.  I guess schön has many definitions - I just wish they had chosen the first one.


 

schön  beautiful, nice, lovely, pretty, good, fine
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 01, 2014, 10:45:15 am
Hi BF, you're right,  the words nice and beautifull have a totally different emotional charge, especially in this context.

Sometimes is different to translate literally. Like "bis gleich" = "till soon". But you don't say it like this in English.

By the way, did you see the interview with Max speaking English? This was right after Napola. If you did not, you can find it on youtube. It's cute  ;).



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 10:54:14 am
I just saw the youtube of the Max interview, you're right - he's adorable!  

I wonder if he would ever make a Hollywood film.  That would be fantastic; I think he's just so good.  And, you know, gorgeous  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 01:14:21 pm

Thanks Sophia!  I'll check it out this weekend.

Be careful about using sites like this.  Most are probably safe, but I know some have spyware/malware that could affect your computer.  Safer to pay the $4 to Amazon.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 01, 2014, 04:16:06 pm

Thanks Sophia!  I'll check it out this weekend.

Yeah, I want to check it out too. I hope the German track is an option.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 01, 2014, 04:17:57 pm
"Bis gleich" is a common way of "see you soon".

"Bald" means soon, "gleich" is also soon in this context but more urgent, and "sofort" is immediately.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 04:28:42 pm
Yeah, I want to check it out too. I hope the German track is an option.



It's only in German. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 01, 2014, 05:00:11 pm
SPOILERS!! Don't read if you haven't seen the movie yet.

BF, regarding details, did you notice this one: right after the first bowling hall scene, Marc is packing his bag for the training. When he is putting his sneakers in the bag, he stares at them for a few moments. Well, at that moment he thought of Kay.
I didn't notice this at all, it was told in the audio comments. Did you?

Another one I noticed but I don't know if my interpretation is right.
I several reviews I read that people thougt it was not oke that Kay puts his hand in marc's pants, sort of sexual abuse or something like that (the scene in the wood).
But did you see what Marc did just before that moment? If you did, I'm curious what you think about that.

In the audio comments it was interesting to hear the vision of the director and the actors about the scenes. Every little thing had a meaning (like the sneakers, to let the viewers know that Kay was in his mind for a moment).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 01, 2014, 05:14:37 pm
SPOILERS!

One question: after the colleaguees found out about Kay, there was a scene in a police van. Everyone looked very seriously.  Was Britt crying or not?

By the way, did you know that there was an alternative ending? That Kay took his life?
When Marc came into Kay's empty appartment, I thought for a moment: please no.
But fortunately they didn't do that.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 05:15:44 pm
YES!  I did see him look at his running shoes and knew he was thinking of Kay.  I posted about it many pages back, when I was talking to myself here!  :)

About the scene in the forest, I have read 2 interviews who looked at it that way, one actually called it rape, which I think is ridiculous.  The scene before that Marc is lifting weights - he is more than capable of getting away from Kay if he wanted to, he was not overpowered.  And he was kissing him back and had his arms around him - you know he's fighting it, but you also know he really wants it.

I'm not sure about what Marc did right before that.  I thought maybe he was trying to move Kay's hands away, is that it?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 05:18:02 pm
SPOILERS!

One question: after the colleaguees found out about Kay, there was a scene in a police van. Everyone looked very seriously.  Was Britt crying or not?

By the way, did you know that there was an alternative ending? That Kay took his life?
When Marc came into Kay's empty appartment, I thought for a moment: please no.
But fortunately they didn't do that.


NO!  I didn't know there was an alternate ending, thank GOD they didn't use it!  That would have been truly disturbing.

I don't think Britt is crying, but i'll check it next time.
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Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 05:25:29 pm

But did you see what Marc did just before that moment? If you did, I'm curious what you think about that.

In the audio comments it was interesting to hear the vision of the director and the actors about the scenes. Every little thing had a meaning (like the sneakers, to let the viewers know that Kay was in his mind for a moment).


Yes, so many small things had meaning.  Did you see the smile on Marc's face when he answers his phone?  When he makes breakfast for Bettina and she tells him to answer it.  So sweet.
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Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 05:34:49 pm
You know, I've seen it so many times that I'm starting to see editing errors, and it's annoying.  Probably the worst is in Kay's apartment when they're having the argument. 

it goes from this

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/f5/53/5af5532bccf8ed8fb36684c82c67031a.jpg)
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Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 05:35:40 pm
immediately to this (sorry, I couldn't find this one in color)

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a8/8f/fa/a88ffa71c3f029634757b8a0cbeb33ad.jpg)
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Post by: fritzkep on May 01, 2014, 05:39:49 pm
It's only in German. 

Ah, good. Thanks!

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Post by: mariska on May 01, 2014, 05:49:13 pm
The scene in the forest: well, what Marc did with his arm, I thought it was meant as an invitation for Kay to do what he did. I had not the impression that marc was pushing him away (in fact what I thought is the opposite). But again, I could be wrong about that.
I agree with you that harassment is ridiculous. In one review someone said that Marc had given no signals to Kay that he was attracted to him. Well, that person missed a lot. I guess not everyone picks up non-verbal signals.

Good that you noticed the sneakers. I have to read back your earlier posts again to see what more I missed  ;).

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Post by: mariska on May 01, 2014, 06:03:53 pm
Marcs smile  when he was on the phone: yes I noticed. Marc picked up the phone en then it took a little while before he smiled and said: I can't talk right now. Who knows what Kay said to him that made him smile. We will never know.

In the audio version max and hanno had a discussion why Marc didn't say immediately that he couldn't talk right now. That was funny.
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Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 06:12:10 pm
oh my GOD, I wish someone else would watch this movie so I could discuss.  I'm starting to pick it apart like BBM.  

Now I think when Marc is making breakfast for his gf and gets the call from Kay, he smiles, not just because it's Kay, but because of what Kay (possibly) says, something fantastic about their first fuck, or how he can't wait for more, or something.

entschuldigen Sie mich

Now I want to learn German, and that makes no sense.

I posted this back in March, talking about the same thing.
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Post by: mariska on May 01, 2014, 06:19:21 pm
About Max and Hollywood. That would be great. He is gorgeous and a great actor, so why not? He certainly deserves it. I think the american people would love heiter bis wolkig. Great story, funny and sad at the same time and max and his female collegue are great in it.
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Post by: morrobay on May 01, 2014, 08:47:14 pm
Mariska, are the DVD extras of any behind-the-scenes video, or is it just audio?  I wonder if it has subtitles.

What did you think of the music?  I liked most of it, even though I don't really listen to synth.  They chose every track to really fit the mood.  And the song that plays as the credits roll is great, I think.  Miss Kenichi, "Who Are You?".  Perfect for Marc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXQotBJKvR8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXQotBJKvR8)




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Post by: CellarDweller on May 02, 2014, 08:07:06 am
Be careful about using sites like this.  Most are probably safe, but I know some have spyware/malware that could affect your computer.  Safer to pay the $4 to Amazon.

Thanks for the advice!
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Post by: morrobay on May 02, 2014, 01:48:33 pm
some good discussions on IMDb, especially the ones titled "Kay" and "Marc, gay or not"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm)
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Post by: morrobay on May 02, 2014, 01:52:34 pm
this one has both an English translation and links to the original German interview with the actors, very good.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/?p=2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/?p=2)
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Post by: morrobay on May 02, 2014, 02:02:10 pm
Mariska, another question for you, since you're the only one who's seen it.

After the argument in Kay's apartment, they kiss, then Kay pulls back and they're looking at each other.  Does Kay then nod his head, as if to say "yes, I love you, it's real."?  Or am I imagining things?
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Post by: mariska on May 02, 2014, 05:58:45 pm
Hi BF,
First of all: thanks for the imdb link to the discussions, wow, interesting. I have read them volatile and have to read them again. Really very interesting.

About the DVD extra's: there are 6 deleted scenes. The two scenes with kay/marc (marcs leg and the canteen scene) you have seen. The other four were nice but not spectacular. The audio comments have no subs unfortunately. I don't think it's worthwhile for you to buy the DVD from Germany (you can't buy it in the US on DVD??).

The phone call: wow, we really thought the same.

The music: I liked it, it fit to the scenes. I thought the song at the credits fit very well to marc's situation and it's a beautifull but sad song.

I don't know about the scene in the appartent, I can't remember Kay doing anything like that but I will watch with attention next time (which will be soon   :laugh:)

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Post by: mariska on May 02, 2014, 06:35:53 pm
You know, after hearing the audio comments and reading a lot of reviews, it's clear to me that using a lot of non-verbal language in a movie can be tricky. Not everyone interpretates that same.
For example the scene in the rain (the car): I read 3 different interpretations about the look at Kay's face:
- kay shows little emotion
- kay has a smug smile on his face as if he thought: I've won.
- Kay closes his eyes full of lust

Well, which one do you think?
I should say: a combination of the last two.


 
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Post by: morrobay on May 02, 2014, 06:55:45 pm
Hi BF,
First of all: thanks for the imdb link to the discussions, wow, interesting. I have read them volatile and have to read them again. Really very interesting.

About the DVD extra's: there are 6 deleted scenes. The two scenes with kay/marc (marcs leg and the canteen scene) you have seen. The other four were nice but not spectacular. The audio comments have no subs unfortunately. I don't think it's worthwhile for you to buy the DVD from Germany (you can't buy it in the US on DVD??).

Glad you liked the interviews and the discussion threads.  Everybody really liked this movie.  The comments were so thoughtful, and well thought out, and some different opinions for sure.

I bought the digital movie from Amazon back in March, but it's only the movie, no extras.  So today I bought the DVD and just hope there are subtitles on the extras, but if not, that's ok, I'll just listen to Max talk   :)

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The phone call: wow, we really thought the same.

Ok, good.  The few seconds between answering the phone and saying he couldn't talk now - Kay was saying something wonderful!

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The music: I liked it, it fit to the scenes. I thought the song at the credits fit very well to marc's situation and it's a beautifull but sad song.

I don't know about the scene in the appartent, I can't remember Kay doing anything like that but I will watch with attention next time (which will be soon   :laugh:)  



Yeah, the music was good.  

Sorry I make you keep watching this over and over again just to answer my questions.  I know that must be hard on you!  :laugh:  It's so good to have someone to talk to about this.  I didn't realize I had so many questions until we started talking.
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Post by: morrobay on May 02, 2014, 07:03:43 pm
You know, after hearing the audio comments and reading a lot of reviews, it's clear to me that using a lot of non-verbal language in a movie can be tricky. Not everyone interpretates that same.
For example the scene in the rain (the car): I read 3 different interpretations about the look at Kay's face:
- kay shows little emotion
- kay has a smug smile on his face as if he thought: I've won.
- Kay closes his eyes full of lust

Well, which one do you think?
I should say: a combination of the last two.

 

That can be read all those ways, and more.  Sometimes it looks like he's thinking, "ok, this guy turned me around and now doesn't know what to do."  Like it amuses him that Marc did that, and then just stopped.

I can see the second one a little bit, "I've won", but that's kind of not really Kay's style, especially where Marc is concerned, even very early on.  Remember in the forest the first time, how he kisses him after, taking the time to try to settle Marc down and show him that he cares, that it wasn't anything bad that happened?  What beautiful things could have happened if Marc hadn't run away?  


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Post by: gattaca on May 03, 2014, 01:31:39 am
... And he was kissing him back and had his arms around him - you know he's fighting it, but you also know he really wants it.

I'm not sure about what Marc did right before that.  I thought maybe he was trying to move Kay's hands away, is that it?

Yes, it appears to me that Marc takes Kay's hand and guides it to where both want it to end up. Note:  it is a very very quick cut, maybe 1/2 second so it's a stop, rewind, and replay watching the hands very carefully.  If it helps, it's shot from behind and to Kay's left and it is very quick cut.In the next cut we are shown Kay obviously jerking Marc off - no mistake there - Marc is willing (and wants) to "take a walk on the wilder side..."  He just needed Kay to lead him.  

BTW, that is a theme throughout the film, starting with the first scene to the end.  Kay generally leads Marc and when Marc tries to lead Kay - we have a no go here.  Think about the pool scene and many others.. who's first?  And then when Marc tries to urge Kay to get out of the pool before they are caught, Kay refuses and Marc plods back to their room without Kay.    Cheers, V.
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Post by: gattaca on May 03, 2014, 03:43:10 am
Hi,  

Here's my scene by scene decomposition / analysis of the film.   The one thing I really did not like was the amount of smoking in the film.  I felt that was not essential to the story.

Spoiler Alert:  WARNING DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS FILM.   The content below contains many details for what I've seen in the film and its context after multiple viewings.  

Be glad to discuss.  

   1. During the opening scenes, where Kay and Marc are jogging around the track w/ the pack, Kay is leading with Marc following.  This is a theme throughout the film  Kay also pulls away from Marc who gives up...on the challenge - harbingers.

   2. During the pool scene, after Kay pots out a bit, he dares Marc to get into the pool.. and when Marc leaps in, he immediately engages in a few rounds of horse play.  Afterwards, Marc exits the pool and attempts to get Kay to follow, he refuses so again, Kay is strongly independent and not willing to be told what to do.

   3. The following scenes provide the setting for Marc's domestication - Marc and Bettina having sex, and them moving into the home by her parents with relatives helping, the topping element is the recorded baby messages - "Dad is prod of you.  Dad and Mom will always be here for you.."...hmm

   4. The scenes with the couples bowling provide another state of happy domestication, until Kay and his date arrive..

   5. I agree 100%, later when Kay wants to lite a smoke, he easily reaches into Marc's pocket, the grabs his bare hand (not sleeve)  to lite the smoke.. that's telling that Kay's becoming more bold and Marc more comfortable (somewhat) with Kay's physical contact.  Did you notice the look / gaze Marc gives Kay after casually glancing around to see if anyone else was watching..  The strong gazes by both at the...I can easily see the wheels turning in Marc's head at least wondering about Kay.

   6. During the running scene where Kay eventually catches up with Marc and Marc becomes defensive but not saying no to Kay's advances, again we see Kay acting in independent mode.  After the brief masturbation encounter, Marc "freaks" and darts off running faster than ever, never mind returning Kay's favors.

   7. Marc's commander assigning Marc to  "take Kay under his wing" is ironic with Marc acting like WTH... he starts denying he really knows Kay immediately - is that telling?  

   8. In the lockroom after the showers, Is Marc really angry with Kay for showing up or frustrated that he cannot put those feelings behind him and move on now?  

   9. After Kay shows up to bowl with his date, it's interrupting Marc's domestic bliss again.  Once Kay learns that Marc's an expecting father, do the glances at the table and in while they are taking a leak change?

   10. At home, Marc disavows really knowing Kay, saying Kay was a PITA while Bettina thought he was "nice"... What does Marc's disavowing knowing Kay well here have on the situation?  Obviously, Marc is stressing - seriously.

   11. After Marc meets Kay for the first time for "sex in the rain"... the are next scene both are in the car, both are shirtless and dressing.  The eye work and glances as Marc departs the car are telling, almost accepting of what he just did, in face he seems a bit pleased.  That is rapidly followed by Marc being the only late husband to their birthing class - oh no.

   12. I agree, Marc taking the phone call and then whispering and leaving the room would raise suspicions from almost anyone.. what call is Bettina suppose NOT to hear?

   13. The next scene comes as a surprise where Marc and Kay are jogging and Marc is outright playful.. does that mean Marc has accepted his attraction to Kay?

   14. Now we are shown the first "all bare" sex scene with Marc and Kay at Kay's apartment.  The scene is quite intimate and shows the real connections between Kay and Marc.  At this point, Marc seems fully accepting of his attraction and feelings for Kay.  We've gone from a casual contact to masturbation to full sexual intimacy.  That's a lot for a "straight guy" to absorb.

   15. This is where Kay asks Marc "Has he ever thought about leaving it all behind? Leaving and starting over?"  Marc's response of "No, not really."  informs me that Marc believes this is a limited engagement with no long term feelings - at least at this point.  During this same conversation Kay offers Marc a key to his apartment and Marc accepts, that's a 180 change from what we expected - really?  But Marc does seem content - happy..

   16. Next we see Marc blatantly lying to Bittiana about not wanting to have sex, followed by a sharp juxtaposition of Kay and Marc dancing in a gay bar, drugging it up a bit.. .

   17. The next few scenes we are rapidly torn between the two choices:  Marc and Kay or Marc and Bettina - over quite a few intense moments.  One sexual and another in raw anger.  Then we whisked away to the joy (and fear) of the birth of Marc's son, then back to anger with the road rage and a flat out denial by Marc, that he's gay - violent in fact.  Also, notice during the locker room how Kay is an outsider and Marc glances to see if Kay is the least bit happy for him with the birth of his son?  

   18. During the road rage, did you notice Marc's expression after punching Kay and right before getting back into his car and speeding off, when you notice the down hill sign I might add..   It's almost one of regret.

   19. Now for one of my favorite scenes.  Next we see Marc's life of domestication, surrounded by toys, he's cleaning up the paint he knocked over earlier during his fight with Bettina.  It's here he realizes that maybe he did have stronger feelings for Kay.  Review the look on his face.  He's overwhelmed with sighs and an almost sick feeling on his face.   This takes me back to the kneeling scene in BBM with Ennis in the alley.. all the regret come flooding in.

   20. During the next few scene, are when Kay is outed - the rage, disappointment and homophobia abound.  Marc is wondering if "anyone else knows he's been spending any time with Kay..."   The bus ride also shows that Kay is now alone, the eye contact, the lack of eye contact, the rage in some of the eye contact.  Marc is trying to determine who's on which side here... again he's afraid someone knows or will at least be wondering...

   21. OK, maybe I spoke too soon - the next sequence takes me to the "I wish I knew how to quit you..." BBM scenes.  This is the FIRST time we've seen Marc assume the lead, the initiative - only when he's threatened and his life and his secret is threatened.  Here he's lying in wait for Kay.  When he confronts Kay about being outed, he accuses Kay of perhaps wanting to BlackMail him followed by anger followed by the ILY and breakdown / hugs.  It is at this point that Marc realizes he's trapped with no way out.  Does he accept his domestication with Bettina and his son or be happy with Kay?

   22. The next couple of scenes stage the outing of Marc to his mother no less.  Does this have deeper meaning?   Why was Marc's mother picking him up and not Bettina or Marc's father?  This is the 2nd time were Marc takes the initiative and grabs Kay's hand for a longer kiss "before mum arrives..." as it plays out, it is Marc's own desire which outs him to his mum.   There's no keeping this quiet now.
   23. The scene with Marc's mum waiting in the car plays out and is quite frustrating.  Mum tries to place a "guilt trip" on Marc when implying she failed in raising him "to be like that..."  Marc's response is quite surprising and shows Marc becoming more embolden, willing to stand up to mum... that's tough, maybe too tough.

   24. Next, we see a calm bliss return to those who do not know but Marc, standing over the grill and bits and piece of his relationship with Kay coming out - Marc goes jogging with Kay, Why  or How could Marc not notice that Kay was gay?  All presumptive questions to which Marc is defensive, clearly.  

   25. Will someone please explain what the significance of the men / family raising the pole outside Marc's home?  Gotta be a "new born" tradition  Does it have high importance to the context.   I read this scene as perhaps this is going to "blow over" until Kay show up, INVITED by Bettina but clearly not wanted to be there by the homophobic mum, dad and co-worker.  Marc finally asks Kay to leave after finding Kay being cornered and confronted by Marc's parents.  The whole scene reeks of the typical ..." we accept you (gays) but just not in my back yard.. " pathetic line of being.  It is clear from this point that Marc's parents will never accept Marc being gay.

   26. These next few minutes we see Marc descend into misery.  He returns his key to Kay.  Bettina leaves him and he's finally alone - no one but himself sitting outside drinking beers.  Bettina's line about being almost afraid to hear the truth now is telling - she's figured it out but does not want to "know it"..

   27. Marc finally makes his first choice, save his family but his crude attempt at reconciliation with Bettina does not go well.   Marc, notice he never answers Bettina's question about his sexuality?   It remains open... which clearly is unacceptable by Bettina.  Marc, then broken retreats into the only thing he has left, domestication and hope that Bettina will return and forgive - maybe.  As I recall, again Marc is being selfish.. he dos not want to "lose both Bettina and his son"...does he ever say he's really sorry?  

   28. So what do you think of the shower scene?  This is a bookend for the painting the nursery where Marc attacks Bettina only this time, he's the victim.  How do you like it?  You like it from behind?  Show me how?  So is Bettina's goal to  humiliate Marc - is it anger?  Is it love?  What's she really trying to do here?  This is raw and emotional.  Starting out with a close up through the hazy shower curtain of Mark showering off the sweat from his run and ending in what you almost think is OK but then Bettina remembers, it was a man - how this be and clearly rejects Marc again even alone, sitting naked in the shower...

   29. I've very glad they did not use the alternate ending, it was bad enough for Marc, who after the shower confirms his life with Bettina is over, decides now that well he can make it Kay - selfish prick... this is another "me, me, me" moment that plays out badly for Marc.  

   30. So why does Marc provoke Gregor in the locker room?  Is he trying to get himself beaten purposely?  Is he trying to get enough evidence on Gregor to get him fired?  Does Marc now just hate himself?  Do we find clues in the next scenes of Marc dancing alone in the gay bar, doing drugs and wishing his pickup was Kay, but no, not Kay.  Was Marc truly not gay and only in love in Kay?

   31. Marc's final reconciliation, this time with himself, surfaces while driving home.  This reminds me of Jack's drive to Mexico - though for different reasons.   Marc's clearly lost Kay and now must really face the music that he cannot live like this and will lose Bettina and his family.   This is a tough scene to watch - especially if you've been there.

   32. The final sequences book-end nicely with the opening.  But why has Marc returned to the academy - to be retrained in something else?  Did he fail some test and be sent back?  Was it his choice?  This is unclear.  What is clear is when Marc enters the empty room, sits and clearly remembers his time with Kay.  When Marc pulls from the middle of the pack, becoming the lead, he's no longer afraid is he?   This time he's in shape is embolden confident and is ready to live a life, a different life than last time - only perhaps a lonely one.  

Cheers, V.

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Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am
 Vincent, this is just great!  We agree on most everything.

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1. During the opening scenes, where Kay and Marc are jogging around the track w/ the pack, Kay is leading with Marc following.  This is a theme throughout the film  Kay also pulls away from Marc who gives up...on the challenge - harbingers.

Exactly how I see it, too.  Marc is following Kay’s lead from the first moment.


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   2. During the pool scene, after Kay pots out a bit, he dares Marc to get into the pool.. and when Marc leaps in, he immediately engages in a few rounds of horse play.  Afterwards, Marc exits the pool and attempts to get Kay to follow, he refuses so again, Kay is strongly independent and not willing to be told what to do.

Agree.  And Kay has gotten Marc to do 2 things that he didn’t really want to do at first, because he is used to following the rules: smoke pot and get in the pool after hours.  Kay is leading him again.

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   3. The following scenes provide the setting for Marc's domestication - Marc and Bettina having sex, and them moving into the home by her parents with relatives helping, the topping element is the recorded baby messages - "Dad is prod of you.  Dad and Mom will always be here for you.."...hmm

I think at this time he still feels “domesticated”, safe inside the boundaries of the life he’s always known.

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   4. The scenes with the couples bowling provide another state of happy domestication, until Kay and his date arrive..

Marc’s face shows absolute panic, as if everyone will somehow sense what happened between them.


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   5. I agree 100%, later when Kay wants to lite a smoke, he easily reaches into Marc's pocket, the grabs his bare hand (not sleeve)  to lite the smoke.. that's telling that Kay's becoming more bold and Marc more comfortable (somewhat) with Kay's physical contact.  Did you notice the look / gaze Marc gives Kay after casually glancing around to see if anyone else was watching..  The strong gazes by both at the...I can easily see the wheels turning in Marc's head at least wondering about Kay.

One of my favorite scenes and played so well by both men.  Right, Kay is so at ease, just taking a cigarette from Marc’s pocket, grabbing his hand – not asking for a light this time, just taking it – and holding it as he lights his cigarette, that's a very intimate gesture.  Marc is aware of every move Kay is making, and the eye contact – smoldering!   You can tell Marc is surprised when Kay just walks away – something in him wanted more.  And Kay knew exactly what he was doing – what a cocktease; Max Riemelt quietly played this to the hilt.


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   6. During the running scene where Kay eventually catches up with Marc and Marc becomes defensive but not saying no to Kay's advances, again we see Kay acting in independent mode.  After the brief masturbation encounter, Marc "freaks" and darts off running faster than ever, never mind returning Kay's favors.

Do you agree with some of reviews out there, that this was “abuse” or “almost rape”?  I find that a particularly offensive comparison.  But yes, he is freaked out by his own desires for Kay.  I found it interesting that, unlike Ennis, he is able to look Kay in the eye, even after something so intimate.  

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   7. Marc's commander assigning Marc to  "take Kay under his wing" is ironic with Marc acting like WTH... he starts denying he really knows Kay immediately - is that telling?  

Very telling – even the way he answers Frank’s question “I thought you knew him at the academy?”  Marc’s answer: “yeah, so?”  means, we were there together but I don’t know anything about him.

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   8. In the lockroom after the showers, Is Marc really angry with Kay for showing up or frustrated that he cannot put those feelings behind him and move on now?  

When Marc grabs Kay and slams him into the locker?  I think both: angry with Kay for showing up and himself for having feelings he doesn’t want to have.  And seriously, how fucking cool is Kay?  The look on his face doesn’t change, even when his head hits the locker!  Pure 100% confidence.  

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   9. After Kay shows up to bowl with his date, it's interrupting Marc's domestic bliss again.  Once Kay learns that Marc's an expecting father, do the glances at the table and in while they are taking a leak change?

Marc is panicked when he first sees him.  Did he want to keep his pregnant gf a secret from Kay?  Then in the bathroom it’s as if he’s in charge now – “so.  Now you know.”  What we did meant nothing.
The look on Kay’s face I can’t quite figure out.  Disappointment, I guess.

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   10. At home, Marc disavows really knowing Kay, saying Kay was a PITA while Bettina thought he was "nice"... What does Marc's disavowing knowing Kay well here have on the situation?  Obviously, Marc is stressing - seriously.

He’s stressing, but he can’t stop thinking about Kay and that forest thing, and he wants more but doesn’t want to want more.  He’s being torn in 2 directions.


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   11. After Marc meets Kay for the first time for "sex in the rain"... the are next scene both are in the car, both are shirtless and dressing.  The eye work and glances as Marc departs the car are telling, almost accepting of what he just did, in face he seems a bit pleased.  That is rapidly followed by Marc being the only late husband to their birthing class - oh no.

The scene inside the car was totally off for me, until Mariska confirmed that Kay says “It was beautiful.” not "it was nice" like the subtitles read (thank you, Mariska!)  Marc is trying to come to terms with what he did: called Kay and asked to meet him for sex.  (Would love to know what he really said: want to jog in the pouring rain?)  Then he gets dressed quickly, not a word, and starts to leave.  Maybe I misread the look he gives Kay before he opens the door – it seemed somehow very smug to me.  And Kay seems to be very restrained, just smoking his pot, chillin.   Then when Kay says it was beautiful, Marc finally gives up some little smile of “acceptance” that it was.  Ennis, all over again.

As for the birthing class, since I was so invested in the relationship between the 2 men, it took me a few viewings to realize that he was there to learn how to “breathe evenly” with Bettina.

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   12. I agree, Marc taking the phone call and then whispering and leaving the room would raise suspicions from almost anyone.. what call is Bettina suppose NOT to hear?

 Yeah, rookie mistake.  He certainly could have said it was somebody he was going jogging with, but to say it was Frank – she knew immediately that he was lying.

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   13. The next scene comes as a surprise where Marc and Kay are jogging and Marc is outright playful.. does that mean Marc has accepted his attraction to Kay?

This is where the lack of a clear time frame throws me a little.  Is this after breakfast the same day?  The next week?  Have they been together since the car scene?  He seems very relaxed and accepting of what he fought so hard against, it would be nice to know how he got there so fast.  

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   14. Now we are shown the first "all bare" sex scene with Marc and Kay at Kay's apartment.  The scene is quite intimate and shows the real connections between Kay and Marc.  At this point, Marc seems fully accepting of his attraction and feelings for Kay.  We've gone from a casual contact to masturbation to full sexual intimacy.  That's a lot for a "straight guy" to absorb.

Again with the time line, we don’t really know how long it took to get there.  He is very relaxed, seems totally giving (which I loved) – until they get out of bed.  Although the scene on the balcony is lovely and Kay seems to be totally in love (the way he looks at him! *sigh*), Marc is more reserved, more detached.  “Ever want to leave it all behind and start over?”  “Not really.”  It’s like he’s using Kay.

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   15. This is where Kay asks Marc "Has he ever thought about leaving it all behind? Leaving and starting over?"  Marc's response of "No, not really."  informs me that Marc believes this is a limited engagement with no long term feelings - at least at this point.  During this same conversation Kay offers Marc a key to his apartment and Marc accepts, that's a 180 change from what we expected - really?  But Marc does seem content - happy..

Yes, exactly, short-term on Marc’s part.  I wonder how many times he used that key.  So much of their meetings is left to our imagination.  Did he go over every day after work?  Where else did they meet?  

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   16. Next we see Marc blatantly lying to Bittiana about not wanting to have sex, followed by a sharp juxtaposition of Kay and Marc dancing in a gay bar, drugging it up a bit.. .

Now see, I thought he just couldn’t get it up because he couldn’t stop thinking about Kay and Bettina just turned him off completely.  But it could have been a lie to cover up.

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   17. The next few scenes we are rapidly torn between the two choices:  Marc and Kay or Marc and Bettina - over quite a few intense moments.  One sexual and another in raw anger.  Then we whisked away to the joy (and fear) of the birth of Marc's son, then back to anger with the road rage and a flat out denial by Marc, that he's gay - violent in fact.  Also, notice during the locker room how Kay is an outsider and Marc glances to see if Kay is the least bit happy for him with the birth of his son?  

What did you think of the club scene?  I didn’t like it at first, but now I love it!  They’re both kind of dorky out there, but they look so cute and in love.  Even Marc, rubbing Kay’s shoulder and his hand on his neck; and he’s having so much fun!  Something he’s not having at home anymore.  When Kay brings out the pills, I thought it was Viagra so they could make love all night, but consensus is it’s xtc, and I guess that’s right.  Kay is such a bad influence!
In the locker room, Kay does seem to be an outsider; but I didn't interpret Marc's look at Kay as checking to see if he's happy for him.  I thought Marc was wondering how it affected Kay, maybe one of the few times Marc actually thought of Kay's feelings.  IDK, I could be wrong.

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   18. During the road rage, did you notice Marc's expression after punching Kay and right before getting back into his car and speeding off, when you notice the down hill sign I might add..   It's almost one of regret.

Absolutely!  Noticed the hesitation as he opens his car door after the punch, as if he's fighting going back to Kay.  And the downhill sign.  There is so much feeling in that scene, Hanno Koffler was very good.  He’s so emotional, he’s fighting such a battle within himself – excellent acting.

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   19. Now for one of my favorite scenes.  Next we see Marc's life of domestication, surrounded by toys, he's cleaning up the paint he knocked over earlier during his fight with Bettina.  It's here he realizes that maybe he did have stronger feelings for Kay.  Review the look on his face.  He's overwhelmed with sighs and an almost sick feeling on his face.   This takes me back to the kneeling scene in BBM with Ennis in the alley.. all the regret come flooding in.

Again, agree 100%, the alley scene.  He can’t breathe, he can’t concentrate even on a mundane task, he can’t get his mind off Kay.  He has made the rule, told Kay to stay away and he does.  But now Marc can’t take it.
On another note, every time I see that scene, the sound of him scrubbing the carpet makes me think of the Geico commercial with Maxwell the pig: Boots & pants!  Youtube it (or not, if you don’t want to laugh at the beginning of the scene!)

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   20. During the next few scene, are when Kay is outed - the rage, disappointment and homophobia abound.  Marc is wondering if "anyone else knows he's been spending any time with Kay..."   The bus ride also shows that Kay is now alone, the eye contact, the lack of eye contact, the rage in some of the eye contact.  Marc is trying to determine who's on which side here... again he's afraid someone knows or will at least be wondering...

Very well put.  Did the director put Limpinski next to Marc on purpose?  On the same side?  And Britt.  I liked her character.

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   21. OK, maybe I spoke too soon - the next sequence takes me to the "I wish I knew how to quit you..." BBM scenes.  This is the FIRST time we've seen Marc assume the lead, the initiative - only when he's threatened and his life and his secret is threatened.  Here he's lying in wait for Kay.  When he confronts Kay about being outed, he accuses Kay of perhaps wanting to BlackMail him followed by anger followed by the ILY and breakdown / hugs.  It is at this point that Marc realizes he's trapped with no way out.  Does he accept his domestication with Bettina and his son or be happy with Kay?

Yes, the WIKHTQY scene, with Ennis breaking down.  Very powerful and well played by both men.  “Lying in wait”, excellent way to put it.  Marc totally detaches himself from his feelings in the beginning of the scene, and tries to go on the offensive.  And this is the most passionate that we see Kay, pushing him and getting in his face – just great acting.  Did the ILY take Marc by surprise?  Did he just think it was sex?  It’s as if Kay’s feelings never entered his mind.  One of the times in the movie you want to hate Marc (but can’t) and you really feel for Kay.
As an aside, they’re still raiding gay bars in Germany?  Yikes.

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   22. The next couple of scenes stage the outing of Marc to his mother no less.  Does this have deeper meaning?   Why was Marc's mother picking him up and not Bettina or Marc's father?  This is the 2nd time were Marc takes the initiative and grabs Kay's hand for a longer kiss "before mum arrives..." as it plays out, it is Marc's own desire which outs him to his mum.   There's no keeping this quiet now.

Another time when I want to slap Marc.  He’s sitting there at the hospital and what’s his reaction when he sees Kay?  “Oh shit, not him again.”  The heavy sigh and the arms folded on his chest, blocking Kay out.  I hate that.  But the way he looks up at Kay when he grabs his hand, it's gorgeous!  Seriously.  I mean, seriously.  (Thank you, Hanno!) It shows his confusion; 1 minute he’s pushing him away, the next he wants him.  It happens over and over again.  But I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise.  He’s changing (or trying to change) something that has been ingrained in him since birth.  His whole life has been disrupted by this love.

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   23. The scene with Marc's mum waiting in the car plays out and is quite frustrating.  Mum tries to place a "guilt trip" on Marc when implying she failed in raising him "to be like that..."  Marc's response is quite surprising and shows Marc becoming more embolden, willing to stand up to mum... that's tough, maybe too tough.

I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him.  She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.”  Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me.  What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay?  Or straight, for that matter.  What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her.  And how did he get home?  He took a taxi to the hospital, he should have taken one home, instead of calling his mom.  

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   24. Next, we see a calm bliss return to those who do not know but Marc, standing over the grill and bits and piece of his relationship with Kay coming out - Marc goes jogging with Kay, Why  or How could Marc not notice that Kay was gay?  All presumptive questions to which Marc is defensive, clearly.  

Yes, back to the bland, boring, domesticated life.  (Did they have to put him in an apron?)  He does get very defensive: is this an interrogation?  

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   25. Will someone please explain what the significance of the men / family raising the pole outside Marc's home?  Gotta be a "new born" tradition  Does it have high importance to the context.   I read this scene as perhaps this is going to "blow over" until Kay show up, INVITED by Bettina but clearly not wanted to be there by the homophobic mum, dad and co-worker.  Marc finally asks Kay to leave after finding Kay being cornered and confronted by Marc's parents.  The whole scene reeks of the typical ..." we accept you (gays) but just not in my back yard.. " pathetic line of being.  It is clear from this point that Marc's parents will never accept Marc being gay.

Yeah, not sure about the tradition of raising the pole with baby things on it.  Now here Marc seems “back in line” with the domestic thing, seems very happy with Bettina and the baby – until he sees Kay.  Why did she make a point of inviting him?  To prove she wasn’t a homophobe?  I love Britt in this scene, she’s so annoyed with Limpinski.
And yes, the parents’ reaction is as you said.  I posted an interview with the director some pages back, and he addressed this issue: people will say they’re accepting of gays until it directly affects them, like a close friend or family member, then it’s a different story.

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   26. These next few minutes we see Marc descend into misery.  He returns his key to Kay.  Bettina leaves him and he's finally alone - no one but himself sitting outside drinking beers.  Bettina's line about being almost afraid to hear the truth now is telling - she's figured it out but does not want to "know it"..

Here we get a little idea of how often Marc & Kay were seeing each other when Bettina says “All those night shifts.  You weren’t even there.”  And you can see the panic in his face and hear it in his voice when he tries to talk her into staying.  He’s just locked Kay out of his life, and now Bettina is leaving, so he’ll have no one.  Yes, she knows now.
The scene in Kay’s apartment when he gives back the key is so painful to watch.  How can Marc detach himself from Kay like that?  How can he see him bruised and not try to comfort him?  (Well, he did try a little and Kay brushed him away, and Marc was okay with that.)  Then “What about us?”  He just puts the key down and leaves without a word.  Damn.  


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   27. Marc finally makes his first choice, save his family but his crude attempt at reconciliation with Bettina does not go well.   Marc, notice he never answers Bettina's question about his sexuality?   It remains open... which clearly is unacceptable by Bettina.  Marc, then broken retreats into the only thing he has left, domestication and hope that Bettina will return and forgive - maybe.  As I recall, again Marc is being selfish.. he dos not want to "lose both Bettina and his son"...does he ever say he's really sorry?  
This is the only time in the movie I actually cried: when Bettina screams "What are you then?"  Their voices had been so low and controlled, then she just loses it.  Totally took me by surprise - again, great acting on her part.
Ok, that he “retreats into domestication” – an explanation to me of why he is shown mowing a yard, which clearly doesn’t need mowing.
I noticed that, too, he never says he’s sorry.  Maybe because he’s not.  

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   28. So what do you think of the shower scene?  This is a bookend for the painting the nursery where Marc attacks Bettina only this time, he's the victim.  How do you like it?  You like it from behind?  Show me how?  So is Bettina's goal to  humiliate Marc - is it anger?  Is it love?  What's she really trying to do here?  This is raw and emotional.  Starting out with a close up through the hazy shower curtain of Mark showering off the sweat from his run and ending in what you almost think is OK but then Bettina remembers, it was a man - how this be and clearly rejects Marc again even alone, sitting naked in the shower...

I didn’t see it as a bookend for the painting scene, but I guess it could be seen that way – both coming at the other from behind.  And why did she wait until he was naked and in the shower?  So he would be vulnerable?  I think it pure hurt and disbelief – how can this be happening? - on her part.  His being gay is as unthinkable to her as it was to him, look how long it took him to accept the idea that he wanted Kay.  Very well played scene.

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   29. I've very glad they did not use the alternate ending, it was bad enough for Marc, who after the shower confirms his life with Bettina is over, decides now that well he can make it Kay - selfish prick... this is another "me, me, me" moment that plays out badly for Marc.

The alternate ending so wouldn’t fit with Kay’s personality.  I never once saw in him hopelessness or despair, or dependent on Marc to the point of suicide.  That would have ruined the whole movie, totally out of character.

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   30. So why does Marc provoke Gregor in the locker room?  Is he trying to get himself beaten purposely?  Is he trying to get enough evidence on Gregor to get him fired?  Does Marc now just hate himself?  Do we find clues in the next scenes of Marc dancing alone in the gay bar, doing drugs and wishing his pickup was Kay, but no, not Kay.  Was Marc truly not gay and only in love in Kay?

To me, this is the “short dirty fight” that Ennis picks with the guy in the pick-up, after Thanksgiving dinner at Alma’s, when she tells him she knows the truth.
As for Limpinski: Is he a latent homosexual?  
The scene in the bar is strange.  Is he trying to recreate his time with Kay?  Why take x?  He was not a drug guy by any means, and it doesn’t work that fast, he was on that guy in a second.  
One thing I did not like was when he raised his fist to hit the guy; another place where the director took it right to the edge and brought it back.

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   31. Marc's final reconciliation, this time with himself, surfaces while driving home.  This reminds me of Jack's drive to Mexico - though for different reasons.   Marc's clearly lost Kay and now must really face the music that he cannot live like this and will lose Bettina and his family.   This is a tough scene to watch - especially if you've been there.

Yeah, very sad to watch.  He knows he’s lost everything, he knows it’s his fault, he’s facing up to his responsibility in hurting Bettina and Kay.  Shit, is right.


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   32. The final sequences book-end nicely with the opening.  But why has Marc returned to the academy - to be retrained in something else?  Did he fail some test and be sent back?  Was it his choice?  This is unclear.  What is clear is when Marc enters the empty room, sits and clearly remembers his time with Kay.  When Marc pulls from the middle of the pack, becoming the lead, he's no longer afraid is he?   This time he's in shape is embolden confident and is ready to live a life, a different life than last time - only perhaps a lonely one.

Yes, when he walks into the room they shared together everything must coming rushing back, all the memories.
The bookends of beginning and end were great.  I thought the unit trained on the track and in the gym, etc, that’s why he was back on the track, just a normal training run to keep in shape.  But now he can “breathe evenly”.  

Great movie, tied with Brokeback for my #1.  Thanks, Vincent, so good to finally talk about this with you and Mariska.  I'm totally surprised more people here haven't gone out of their way to see this.
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Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 11:34:41 am
Yes, it appears to me that Marc takes Kay's hand and guides it to where both want it to end up.

I don't see that.  I guess I'll have to watch that scene over and over and over  ;)
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Post by: fritzkep on May 03, 2014, 03:53:01 pm
On trying to watch the movie, the antivirus software wouldn't let the computer download a plugin, saying it had an untrustworthy reputation.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 03:56:14 pm
I really wouldn't try to download it for free, too much chance of malware.  Or you can do a google search for "safe free movie downloads" but you're still taking a chance on getting a virus.  

Amazon.  $4.  Safe.  I think it's on Netflix, too, if you subscribe to that.
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Post by: fritzkep on May 03, 2014, 05:34:43 pm
Yeah, I guess I'll have to break down and subscribe to one of the services. Does Amazon sell a DVD that's playable in North America?

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 05:42:22 pm
Well, you can rent the movie for immediate viewing for $4.  Do you have an Amazon account?

PM me, I can walk you through it.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 03, 2014, 05:53:16 pm
SPOILERS!

V., thanks for your analysis, great.
And you are so right about Kay beeing the one who controls everything. In an interview I read that Kay was supposed to be the guy having control, I will look for that interview and post it here.

BF, about the scene in the woods and Marcs arm: I agree with V. (earlier I wrote that I thought it was an invitation, Marc leads Kays hand to his pants). In the beginning of that scene Marc opposed en pushed Kay away, but then he surrendered himself, was not able anymore to resist Kay.
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About the car/rain scene: you are right, amused is the word I was looking for. Kay looked amused.

Two scenes I have thinking about a lot:
Marc alone in the bar. When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Marc wanted to investigate his gay feelings by having sexual contact with another guy. 
But I think you are right BF, he was trying to recreate his time with Kay. That's why he does exact the same things: dancing, taking drugs, the bathroom.
And maybe that's the moment he realizes it was not just sex with Kay, he found out that Kay was not exchangeable for just another guy.
In the audio comments they didn't say anything about the reason Marc went to the gay bar. But Max and Hanno made a joke. During the scene Marc was in the bathroom with the other guy, Max said: that was difficult for you, wasn't it Hanno? With someone else. Hanno said: I missed you, you can see that. Then both laughed and Hanno said: no, that was really terrible.
But I think this was more about Max/Hanno then Kay/Marc because both actors are clear about the fact that they only wanted to do this movie with each other.





 



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 03, 2014, 05:54:04 pm
Fraid not, but I think I'd rather have a DVD. Downloading can be so easily interrupted.

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Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 06:02:21 pm
If you "rent" the video from Amazon there shouldn't be any interruptions.  I have watched it over and over and over again, literally more than 100 times, and had no problem. 

Also if you buy the DVD it should be fine, in German w/English subtitles and the extras that Mariska posted about.
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Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 06:05:18 pm
V., thanks for your analysis, great.
And you are so wright about Kay beeing the one who controls everything. In an interview I read that Kay was supposed to be the guy having control, I will look for that interview and post it here.

BF, about the scene in the woods and Marcs arm: I agree with V. (earlier I wrote that I thought it was an invitation, Marc leads Kays hand to his pants). In the beginning of that scene Marc opposed en pushed Kay away, but then he surrendered himself, was not able anymore to resist Kay.
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About the car/rain scene: you are right, amused is the word I was looking for. Kay looked amused.

Two scenes I have thinking about a lot:
Marc alone in the bar. When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Marc wanted to investigate his gay feelings by having sexual contact with another guy.  
But I think you are right BF, he was trying to recreate his time with Kay. That's why he does exact the same things: dancing, taking drugs, the bathroom.
And maybe that's the moment he realizes it was not just sex with Kay, he found out that Kay was not exchangeable for just another guy.
In the audio comments they didn't say anything about the reason Marc went to the gay bar. But Max and Hanno made a joke. During the scene Marc was in the bathroom with the other guy, Max said: that was difficult for you, wasn't it Hanno? With someone else. Hanno said: I missed you, you can see that. Then both laughed and Hanno said: no, that was really terrible.
But I think this was more about Max/Hanno then Kay/Marc because both actors are clear about the fact that they only wanted to do this movie with each other.


Ah, Mariska, good to hear from you, about Vincent's take on the movie!  I'll follow up on your comments.   :)
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Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 06:20:12 pm
SPOILERS!

V., thanks for your analysis, great.
And you are so wright about Kay beeing the one who controls everything. In an interview I read that Kay was supposed to be the guy having control, I will look for that interview and post it here.

Hi Mariska!  So glad to see you here.

Kay definitely comes across as the one in charge.  Marc is just following his lead.

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BF, about the scene in the woods and Marcs arm: I agree with V. (earlier I wrote that I thought it was an invitation, Marc leads Kays hand to his pants). In the beginning of that scene Marc opposed en pushed Kay away, but then he surrendered himself, was not able anymore to resist Kay.

Yeah, I hear what you both are saying, but haven't been able to see it in the movie yet.  As difficult as it is to keep watching that scene over and over, I'll keep at it  :)

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About the car/rain scene: you are right, amused is the word I was looking for. Kay looked amused.

Ok, so we agree on this, good.  Yes, I love the look on Kay's face.

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Two scenes I have thinking about a lot:
Marc alone in the bar. When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Marc wanted to investigate his gay feelings by having sexual contact with another guy.  
But I think you are right BF, he was trying to recreate his time with Kay. That's why he does exact the same things: dancing, taking drugs, the bathroom.
And maybe that's the moment he realizes it was not just sex with Kay, he found out that Kay was not exchangeable for just another guy.

Yes, exactly right.  Kay is not interchangeable with just another guy.  Which makes me think that he is right when he says he's not gay, it was only Kay.

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In the audio comments they didn't say anything about the reason Marc went to the gay bar. But Max and Hanno made a joke. During the scene Marc was in the bathroom with the other guy, Max said: that was difficult for you, wasn't it Hanno? With someone else. Hanno said: I missed you, you can see that. Then both laughed and Hanno said: no, that was really terrible.

I think it's so emotional on the viewer, this. 
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But I think this was more about Max/Hanno then Kay/Marc because both actors are clear about the fact that they only wanted to do this movie with each other.
Interesting, the actors comments, and thank you for translating and posting them here.  That was a difficult scene to watch, really, for Marc.  So many emotions going through his head.  It's exactly as you said: Kay is not interchangeable with another guy.  Great comment.

It's hard enough when you're in love, but to have it doubled and exaggerated by the same-sex thing - Scheiße  



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 03, 2014, 06:37:24 pm
SPOILERS!

The second scene I thought about is the scene with that Gregor guy. Why did Marc provoke him and why did he let Gregor abuse him?
The first time I thought: why don't you hit him back and hit him really hard for what he did to Kay en what he is doing to you now?
But from the first moment I had the feeling that Marc was mentally the strongest in that scene. Remember wat Gregor said after he hit him: what are you laughing now?
He had no grip on Marc and that made Gregor even angrier.

I think Marc accepted his feelings for Kay, accepted the fact that he fell for another man and did not want to hide this side of him anymore. Like: this is me, whether you like it or not.
And it was like he was making something up to Kay by no longer denying what they had together.
And it may sound rediculous, but when Marc said to Gregor: Is that all you've got? PUSSY, that was for me the most emotional moment of the movie.
He said Kay's word, pussy. And the way he said it, I can't explain why, but for me this made Kay so present. Really, I cried my eyes out.


No, I dont think it had something to do with self-punishment. I think Marc was no langer ashamed and able to stand up for himself.




Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 03, 2014, 06:47:01 pm
And it was like he was making something up to Kay by no longer denying what they had together.
And it may sound rediculous, but when Marc said to Gregor: Is that all you've got? PUSSY, that was for me the most emotional moment of the movie.
He said Kay's word, pussy. And the way he said it, I can't explain why, but for me this made Kay so present. Really, I cried my eyes out.


No, I dont think it had something to do with self-punishment. I think Marc was no langer ashamed and able to stand up for himself.



No No No, it doesn't sound ridiculous!  You are 100% right!  He admits to Gregor, a known homophobe, that he has been with Kay.  When Marc says to Gregor "pussy", he is remembering everything about Kay, and what he learned from him.  It's an extremely emotional scene.  He is drawing strength from Kay, what he learned from him - very very emotional.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: southendmd on May 03, 2014, 09:46:26 pm
Yeah, I guess I'll have to break down and subscribe to one of the services. Does Amazon sell a DVD that's playable in North America?



Yes, Fritz.  Mine is on its way!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 04, 2014, 12:26:49 am
I ordered the DVD so I could have the extras.  But you do know that you can rent it on Amazon and watch it immediately, right?  If you don't want to buy it, you can rent it, watch it now, not wait, and buy it later if you want to.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 04, 2014, 10:50:45 am
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Post by: morrobay on May 04, 2014, 10:51:56 am
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Post by: morrobay on May 04, 2014, 10:52:31 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 04, 2014, 11:06:10 am
Max-attitude.  yeah
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 04, 2014, 12:08:49 pm
I don't see that.  I guess I'll have to watch that scene over and over and over  ;)

It is hard to see if you are not looking for the hands, specifically.

It is a VERY quick cut, maybe 1/2 second and honestly, on first viewings you are focusing on the intensities elsewhere. To catch this, it is stop, rewind, and replay watching the hands very carefully.  If it helps, it's shot from behind but is at an angle intended for you see this but in an uber quick cut.  I'm not sure why so short duration for such a key moment. In the next cut we are shown Kay obviously jerking Marc off.  

Marc taking Kay's hand and directing it happens with about 1:22:20 --> 1:22:14  remaining (at last on the Amazon copy). 

One must be really watching closely to see this.. quite a good catch for whomever posted it.  THANK YOU - and it took me a couple of rewinds to see it.

Also, I'll post more soon about your specific comments and answer the questions posted there.. Cheers, V.  
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Post by: fritzkep on May 04, 2014, 02:39:42 pm
Just ordered the DVD from Amazon. Looking forward to seeing it.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 04, 2014, 05:16:28 pm
Hi V.,
The first few times I watched the movie I didn't notice either (the arm/hand in the forest).
But when I did see it, it seemed clear to me what Marc's intention was.

I am not sure if BF did not notice this short cut or if she interprets it differently.
BF, to be sure that we are talking about the same thing, you have to watch that scene again (and again). I am so sorry  :P.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 04, 2014, 05:59:26 pm
Hi BF, I'm also happy that I can discuss this film now.
I hope more people will watch it, like it and want to discuss it.

Normally I don't watch a movie more than 1 or 2 times. This is the first time I watched a movie so many times.
It is such an interesting movie. When I watched the first time, I missed so many details, but even then I was impressed and touched. Hanno and Max were so great that I forgot I was looking at actors. I am not gay and not particularly interested in gay movies, but I have never seen such a chemistry between two actors in a movie, gay or straight. Beside that Hanno was excellent as Marc and of course Max as Kay.
It was like I was feeling their emotions.
(For some reason I didn't like Bettina, even though her acting was great).

After watching a lot of times and hearing the audio comments (director and actors discussed so much about every scene, every detail had a meaning, the lead actors had a lot of input (especially in the sex/love scenes) about what they wanted to show en how they wanted to do that), I think I like the movie even more.

I will respond later to V''s and your comments.






Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 05, 2014, 10:02:35 am
It is hard to see if you are not looking for the hands, specifically.


I saw that, but read it differently, as if Marc is trying to make a half-hearted attempt to stop him, or move his hand away.  For one thing, it's Kay's left hand, and he is obviously right-handed  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 05, 2014, 10:05:08 am
Hi BF, I'm also happy that I can discuss this film now.
I hope more people will watch it, like it and want to discuss it.

After watching a lot of times and hearing the audio comments (director and actors discussed so much about every scene, every detail had a meaning, the lead actors had a lot of input (especially in the sex/love scenes) about what they wanted to show en how they wanted to do that), I think I like the movie even more.




I'm really looking forward to getting the DVD and hearing them talk about the movie.  It's something we all wanted for Brokeback, a detailed discussion with Jake & Heath, but never happened.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 05, 2014, 11:07:59 am
ok, another question.  In the beginning of the movie, after they both get called into Brandt's office, Marc is leaning against a building smoking and Kay walks up to him rolling a joint.  He looks through a big window that seems to be overlooking the pool, then he asks Marc for a light.  There's a close up of him lighting the joint and in the next shot, the background is outside with a water sprinkler on.  Slight lack of continuity?  Maybe that's not the right word, but things definitely changed there.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 05, 2014, 11:47:45 am
Hi BF, i'm sorry but the audio comments and the deleted scenes are not subtitled. I will try to help you by translating the scenes as good as possible. Aboutthe audio you can ask me if you want to know something specific. And i will watch it again and make notes about discussion that might be interesting fir you. I am really sorry  >:(

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 05, 2014, 02:56:23 pm
SPOILERS!

BF, you are totally right about the smoke / swimming pool scene. Very strange.

The forest scene: I still think it was the intention of the movie makers to give the impression that Marc was leading Kay's hand in a certain direction, but you are right again about the left/right hand. Probably this scene is shot in parts and from different sides and I think this happens all the time when making movies, without the viewers noticing this.
Good that you did. Ik could see this a thousend times without noticing.
However, of course you could be right and the intention is diffent.
Curious what others will think when they watched the movie.
It's a little detail but in my opinion important how to interpret. It's quite a difference: Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants because Marc "asked" him to or Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants despite Marc tried to push him away.

Then another thing. I was wondering why Marc was back in the training camp. But could it be possible that he was doing that run test at that moment (at the end of the movie)?

One other thing about the scene in Kay's apartment. After Kay told Marc he loved him, they wrapped their arms around each other and kissed. At a certain moment Marc put's his tongue in Kay's mouth and to me it looked like if Max withdrew his head, as if he was shocked a little (like: hey fellow, take it easy). Curious what you think.

About Max: on youtube I found a nice video. Is from a few years ago, but I liked it anyway. You see pieces of several movies and interviews and all comments are in English. When you search for Kino the German film magazin you will find it. From 14.20 it's about babyface max :).


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 05, 2014, 03:42:27 pm
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The forest scene: I still think it was the intention of the movie makers to give the impression that Marc was leading Kay's hand in a certain direction, but you are right again about the left/right hand. Probably this scene is shot in parts and from different sides and I think this happens all the time when making movies, without the viewers noticing this.
Good that you did. Ik could see this a thousend times without noticing.
However, of course you could be right and the intention is diffent.
Curious what others will think when they watched the movie.
It's a little detail but in my opinion important how to interpret. It's quite a difference: Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants because Marc "asked" him to or Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants despite Marc tried to push him away.

I think you’re right, it’s just in how each person views it.  And yes, the scene is shot from different angles, and who knows how many takes they did to get the shots they wanted.  If he did or didn’t make that move, he was still clearly terribly conflicted by what was happening: did he want it to happen, or did he want Kay to take the responsibility for it happening, so he could tell himself he had no choice?

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Then another thing. I was wondering why Marc was back in the training camp. But could it be possible that he was doing that run test at that moment (at the end of the movie)?

Yes, Vincent also brought this up.  I assumed the police used the academy track and gym for training; there’s no way to know if the academy was near where he was stationed, or some distance apart.  

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One other thing about the scene in Kay's apartment. After Kay told Marc he loved him, they wrapped their arms around each other and kissed. At a certain moment Marc put's his tongue in Kay's mouth and to me it looked like if Max withdrew his head, as if he was shocked a little (like: hey fellow, take it easy). Curious what you think.

This is where I asked if, when Kay pulls back, he nods his head, as if to say “Yes, I love you”.  I’ve watched it a few more times, but it’s still not really clear to me, so I guess it could be wishful thinking on my part.   :)
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About Max: on youtube I found a nice video. Is from a few years ago, but I liked it anyway. You see pieces of several movies and interviews and all comments are in English. When you search for Kino the German film magazin you will find it. From 14.20 it's about babyface max

Thank you for finding the youtube clip with English translation, I found it, done when he was 24 – adorable.  And great to see the movie clips.  The one of him playing a junkie – WOW!  Powerful acting.  He's very talented, I hope to see more of his movies.  
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 05, 2014, 06:02:28 pm
Do you know there's a free fall facebook page?
So many great reactions to the movie from people all over the world.
And so many want a sequel.

I picked this one out (originally in German):


"Do we get a continuation of the movie? The whole world discusses about if there will be one? We would welcome a continuation and also strongly hope for it. The movie is just great, great job guys

I also read an interview with Stephan Lacant. Many people asked him for a sequel, some want Marc to go after Kay and others want Marc to go back to Bettina.
Well, I have the impression that everybody wants Marc to go after Kay.

It would be interesting to think about what Marc would do if this was real life.
Somehow I feel that going back to Bettina wouldn't work anymore. Of course there will always be a connection with Bettina because she is the mother of his child.
If I were in Marc's position, the situation with Kay would feel like "not over yet". I would contact him (if I would have the courage) en then see what happens.

About the nodling, I'm not sure either.

Another interesting question I found on the internet about the love scene in the bed: how did the actors do that? Did they wear unvisible underwear or what?
Or is it the camerawork that makes them look nude?
I think: they were really nude. Youcan  see it when Max turns around.
Those two are so dedicated to make everyting as authentic as possible, they just did it. With a little help from a bottle of Vodka (liike the interview said en they mentioned it again in the audio comments).




Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 05, 2014, 06:55:53 pm
I'm not on Facebook, so I can't see the comments, but I'm not surprised.

I wonder if Lacant and the actors would consider it, I think it could be very successful.  If they do, they should definitely release it in theatres in the US, not just at queer film festivals.  I think it would appeal to a much larger audience if it was promoted.

Yeah, Marc could never go back to Bettina - and I'm sure she wouldn't have him back.  

There are a few fanfiction stories out there already, some are good, some not so good.  As you said, so many people weren't happy with the ending, so some are taking to writing their own ending, most involve Marc looking up Kay and going to him.

Yeah, naked.  They are.  I thought I read somewhere, can't remember where, that Hanno had it in his contract for no frontal nudity - I guess Max was a little more, uh, ok with that.  He's all about authenticity and integrity in his work - he's pretty damn authentic.  I'm surprised that a star of his caliber in Germany would agree to that. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 04:57:18 pm
Do you agree with some of reviews out there, that this was “abuse” or “almost rape”?  I find that a particularly offensive comparison.  But yes, he is freaked out by his own desires for Kay.  I found it interesting that, unlike Ennis, he is able to look Kay in the eye, even after something so intimate.  

On the forest scene, first encounter, no (my opinion) on the "almost rape" and the same on  Marc being "sexually assaulted"   (though someone with a legal license may argue differently).

Marc is MORE  than capable of punching Kay  (we saw later) and/or defending himself as we saw with Gregor.  It's not like Kay had Marc pinned down, hog-tied, chained, roped, wire-tied or physically bound in any way by walls etc..  The shoves and push backs from Marc were him trying to decide whether what he thought was happening was happening from Kay.   Would Kay back track this time and go "just joking around.  Sorry, chill out"  as he did with the joint exchange earlier after running at the rock OR  would Kay really show his hand (ok...) and let his intentions and desires for Marc be known.  

It seems it would be quite difficult to jerk off a guy who is standing and who really does not want the hand job. There are simply too many escape routes available.  A punch would have been a firmer no but we did not see that.  Cheers, V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 05:00:20 pm
As for the birthing class, since I was so invested in the relationship between the 2 men, it took me a few viewings to realize that he was there to learn how to “breathe evenly” with Bettina.

This was a great catch.  I missed it too until you pointed it out. Both lovers were trying to teach Marc to "breath evenly..." wow. nice.  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 05:02:42 pm
Again with the time line, we don’t really know how long it took to get there.  He is very relaxed, seems totally giving (which I loved) – until they get out of bed.  Although the scene on the balcony is lovely and Kay seems to be totally in love (the way he looks at him! *sigh*), Marc is more reserved, more detached.  “Ever want to leave it all behind and start over?”  “Not really.”  It’s like he’s using Kay.

Yes.  This is where we see again the selfish side of Marc.. me, not really.  that was cold.  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 05:08:12 pm
What did you think of the club scene?  I didn’t like it at first, but now I love it!  They’re both kind of dorky out there, but they look so cute and in love.  Even Marc, rubbing Kay’s shoulder and his hand on his neck; and he’s having so much fun!  Something he’s not having at home anymore.  When Kay brings out the pills, I thought it was Viagra so they could make love all night, but consensus is it’s xtc, and I guess that’s right.  Kay is such a bad influence!
In the locker room, Kay does seem to be an outsider; but I didn't interpret Marc's look at Kay as checking to see if he's happy for him.  I thought Marc was wondering how it affected Kay, maybe one of the few times Marc actually thought of Kay's feelings.  IDK, I could be wrong.

The club scene, while I get it, maybe I'm just too old but they felt a bit out of place.  I always pictured the club scenes, and from the ones I've seen, to cater to the younger crowds.  Both Marc and Kay, at least for me, seem in the late 20's and a bit more mature to need the "clubbing"...  I think this was done for effect to show how far Kay could coax Marc into shifting.. ..perhaps? 

Yes, I can see your point about the locker room.. is this birth celebration hurting Kay?  But I felt, knowing what we've seen it was more Marc concerned about Marc.. V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 05:09:43 pm
Very well put.  Did the director put Limpinski next to Marc on purpose?  On the same side?  And Britt.  I liked her character.

Yes.  To show the hate and disdain seated right beside you.. that would be directed to Marc once he learned Marc's circumstances.. V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 05:14:48 pm
I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him.  She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.”  Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me.  What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay?  Or straight, for that matter.  What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her.  And how did he get home?  He took a taxi to the hospital, he should have taken one home, instead of calling his mom. 

From my POV, that's implied... if you turned out like this, then we failed in "raising you right".. I've been on the receiving side of similar conversations and it was clear to me what she was implying.   I agree, you hope your kids find your own way but in areas where there is only ONE way, once word gets out that the kids did not turn out "right..." then the community automatically wonders WTH did the parents not do for their kids.. implying failure. 

Not sure about how he got home.. seems a Taxi would be likely.   I find it difficult to believe he would have gotten back in that car at that time.  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 05:22:04 pm
To me, this is the “short dirty fight” that Ennis picks with the guy in the pick-up, after Thanksgiving dinner at Alma’s, when she tells him she knows the truth.
As for Limpinski: Is he a latent homosexual?   The scene in the bar is strange.  Is he trying to recreate his time with Kay?  Why take x?  He was not a drug guy by any means, and it doesn’t work that fast, he was on that guy in a second.  One thing I did not like was when he raised his fist to hit the guy; another place where the director took it right to the edge and brought it back.

Not sure about Limpinski - nice choice for a name aye?   There have been studies I've read which implies those exhibiting the most strong homophobic behaviors may be latent..  Yes on the BBM scene with Ennis punching the guy thru the truck window - raging anger.  
The bar scene (to me) is Marc's uber desperate attempt to replace Kay's touch or feeling with another lover... he's grown fond (enjoyed)  the experience. It is there, in the stall with the other guy, that he realizes it is ALL gone.. Kay is gone, Bettina is gone and a blow job by a stranger is not and never will be Kay.  I sort of flashed to the Jack "Tell you what" scene at the tent with Ennis the last time they were together - though there's no one for Marc to tell..  Marc's experiences with X or most substances seemed very sheltered / limited (back to the parents...) and only have been with Kay.  Yes the raised fist is symbolic of Marc fighting / anger with himself but then realizes he can leave.. back to the forest.. only this time he does leave  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 06, 2014, 05:26:26 pm
Great - new conversations!  Off to read your thoughts about the last few pages.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 06, 2014, 05:40:06 pm
Yes.  This is where we see again the selfish side of Marc.. me, not really.  that was cold.  V.

I know, I felt so bad for Kay.  And then he offers his apartment key to Marc.  Granted, Kay would also get something out of it if/when Marc came over since they would make love; still, the gesture says a lot about Kay and his feelings.  You don't do something like that, open up your life and your home, if you're just out for sex.  It also implies that Kay is prepared to be monogamous with Marc.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 06, 2014, 05:44:23 pm
The club scene, while I get it, maybe I'm just too old but they felt a bit out of place.  I always pictured the club scenes, and from the ones I've seen, to cater to the younger crowds.  Both Marc and Kay, at least for me, seem in the late 20's and a bit more mature to need the "clubbing"...  I think this was done for effect to show how far Kay could coax Marc into shifting.. ..perhaps? 

Yes, I can see your point about the locker room.. is this birth celebration hurting Kay?  But I felt, knowing what we've seen it was more Marc concerned about Marc.. V.

You're probably right, about clubbing being for younger crowds.  I've also read reviews and comments that it was a very stereotypical gay thing to show, idk about that side of it.  Also the drug use was brought up as an unnecessary stereotype; but it also shows a lot about the relationship between these 2 specific men.  As you said: to see how far Kay could push Marc, both into doing things that he usually didn't do, and what he would do for Kay.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 06, 2014, 06:08:47 pm
Vincent, I just noticed your signature line - couldn't be more appropriate for this thread.  Is it about this movie?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 06, 2014, 06:15:17 pm
Yes.  This is where we see again the selfish side of Marc.. me, not really.  that was cold.  V.

Yes, it was kind of cold. But don't forget that Kay is a free man and Marc has a relationship and is a father-to-be. A huge responsibility. I think at this point Marc doesn't want to think about choices, leaving his family is no option yet. He wants everything the way it is now en he feels threatened by kay's question.
Also I think at this time Marc didn't realise how important Kay had become to him. Sometimes you just miss something/somebody when it's gone.
Maybe it was selfish, but understandable. Marc had so much to loose.
After the baby was born, he really wanted to make the best of it with Bettina and baby. It hated the way he handled this with Kay, but maybe this was the only way he could handle it. Telling Kay and himself that it was only an affair.
He had to experience himself that it didn't work anymore with Bettina. And that Kay wasn't just an affair.
Too late, but this is what happens so often in life.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 06:16:57 pm
No.  But damn appropriate!   I didn't even realize it was posted each time.. V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 06, 2014, 06:23:16 pm
Hi Mariska,
Yes, it is early in the relationship, before he comes to realize how much Kay means to him.  Marc goes back and forth so many times, pushing Kay away and then pulling him back, right up to the minute Bettina leaves.  Of course, by then, Kay is also gone.   :'(
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 06, 2014, 06:36:31 pm
The club scene.
I read a lot of critic's too about that stereo type.
But because they have a secret relationship it may be the only public place then can be together without hiding anything.
I don't know about the age thing. They were so happy, relaxed and in love (like you said BF), that I don't care at all if it's a stereotype or they maybe too old. I think it's a wonderful scene.
So nice after all the drama. It shows how good it could be between those two without all the other problems.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 06:47:03 pm
Yes, it was kind of cold. But don't forget that Kay is a free man and Marc has a relationship and is a father-to-be. A huge responsibility. I think at this point Marc doesn't want to think about choices, leaving his family is no option yet. He wants everything the way it is now en he feels threatened by kay's question.
Also I think at this time Marc didn't realise how important Kay had become to him. Sometimes you just miss something/somebody when it's gone.
Maybe it was selfish, but understandable. Marc had so much to loose.
After the baby was born, he really wanted to make the best of it with Bettina and baby. It hated the way he handled this with Kay, but maybe this was the only way he could handle it. Telling Kay and himself that it was only an affair.
He had to experience himself that it didn't work anymore with Bettina. And that Kay wasn't just an affair.
Too late, but this is what happens so often in life.

Well said.  Marc wants to have his cake and eat it too... but this life thread is not going to work that way.   He's TORN with his family responsibilities.  He cannot abandon his new born baby and his son's mother - "we didn't raise you like this.."  It's a commitment he's cemented once Bettina became pregnant and his son was born.  If the pregnancy and then baby were not part of the story, it would have been simpler for Marc and Bettina to go separate ways with no strings, no commitments for at least the next 18 years.   The desire to be parts of your child's life is overwhelming for most.  But then again, this conflict is central to the story.  V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 06:49:15 pm
I know, I felt so bad for Kay.  And then he offers his apartment key to Marc.  Granted, Kay would also get something out of it if/when Marc came over since they would make love; still, the gesture says a lot about Kay and his feelings.  You don't do something like that, open up your life and your home, if you're just out for sex.  It also implies that Kay is prepared to be monogamous with Marc.
Yeapper.  Kay offered Marc a life with him.. that "cow and calf operation..." we are familiar with from BBM.  Perhaps Kay had been here before and was tired of the "just sex"..., and thought he'd found a real, longer term partner in Marc?  The club scene delivered just sex without strings...which maybe isn't what Kay needed.   Kay opened  to Marc and Marc simply dismissed him.  Still cold.  Yes, I agree, the club scene is stereotypical but accurate for some, not all.   V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2014, 10:54:39 am
OK, a scene I didn't care much for is the morning after they go clubbing.  Even though I watch this movie a LOT, I usually skip this scene, probably because to me, it signals the beginning of the end.  It's also another example of Marc being so selfish, this time towards Bettina. 

But still you feel for him, because he's being torn in two directions.  From the scene at the club you can tell his feelings for Kay are deepening; even though it's a very sexy scene, I see more pure emotion coming to the surface - he is falling in love, even though he'll continue to fight it when he's away from Kay.

Any other takes on this one?

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2014, 04:00:00 pm
Another translation question, please.  

When they're in the men's room at the bowling alley, the subtitles are shown as Marc saying "So.  Now you know."  But I put that into google translate and it doesn't sound anything like what he said in German.  

Is that what he said?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 07, 2014, 04:07:28 pm
SPOILERS!

BF, I still can't see your messages when I'm logged in so I can't quote you. Annoying!

About your last post: I have sympathy for all three, Marc, Kay and Bettina. Marc didn't asked for this situation either (but a few times I felt so sorry for Kay because of the way Marc treated him).
I should feel  sorry for Bettina in the first place, she lost her partner and she is the one left behind with a baby.
But for some reason I was more touched by Kay's pain and frustration and even Marc's.

The first time I saw a deepening of feelings was the bed scene. To my opinion that was not just sex (like the intimate scenes before: the forest, the scene in the rain) but love.
The scene in the bar is indeed very sexy, they seemed so in love. But beside that, they seemed so relaxed, carefree, happy,  just like the short running scene before they ended up in Kay's appartement. In that scene, the bar scene en the intimate scenes Marc is very loving to Kay. But every time Marc is confronted with reality (in his home situation, at work or even when Kay is making suggestions about leaving home, being gay etc.), things are different and he get's cold and detachded to Kay.
My conclusion: he really does love Kay but he doesn't want to admit to himself or he doens't want to allow himself these feelings, because leaving home is no option. And at that time  a coming out was probably no option too.
It's just too much.
That's why I think what happend with that Gregor guy is positive after all. He admit's his affair with Kay. For me that means he had accepted himself and was ready to be open on it. And with Bettina it didn't work out (it wasn't just Bettina who didn't want to go on, Marc didn't want to either). So in fact all that held him back from a relationship with Kay was gone. The problem was not a lack of feelings for kay, but everything else was in the way.
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 07, 2014, 04:17:01 pm
So, so sieht es aus (if I remember well about the bowling hall scene).

Again there's no literal translation but in English it would be like: so, this is how the situation is.
But I guess know you know is not a bad translation, the meaning is the same.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 07, 2014, 04:17:04 pm
Just got confirmation from Amazon.com, I should be getting the movie on Saturday sometime.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 07, 2014, 04:22:38 pm
Just got confirmation from Amazon.com, I should be getting the movie on Saturday sometime.



I hope you will like it. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2014, 04:32:57 pm
So, so sieht es aus (if I remember well about the bowling hall scene).

Again there's no literal translation but in English it would be like: so, this is how the situation is.
But I guess know you know is not a bad translation, the meaning is the same.



So much for google translate!  "So, so sieht es aus"  comes up as "So, it looks like this".  I know what he means, but I want to know what they REALLY say to each other!  It's too much of a gorgeous love story to have to guess.  But I appreciate your help, as always.

 Maybe I should buy Rosetta Stone for German   ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2014, 04:34:16 pm
Just got confirmation from Amazon.com, I should be getting the movie on Saturday sometime.



Great!  I hope you love it like we do.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2014, 04:50:45 pm
Hi Mariska,
I sent a PM to the mod to see if he can help with the problem of not being able to quote my posts.

As for your other comments, we see things so alike.  I have sympathy for all involved, it’s not an easy situation for any of them, is it?

But back to Marc & Kay  :)  yes, the bed scene was the first time we are shown that Marc at least loves to be with Kay...I don’t like to think of it as only because he loves the feelings, but....... Even Hanno said in interviews that it’s very exciting.  

But when they are on the balcony, even though Marc has a lot of things to consider – Bettina & the baby – he does seem (to me) to be able to distance himself from Kay – probably, as you say, because he can’t envision being so in love with him that he would leave Bettina and the baby, at that time leaving his new family is not an option  – although it does come to that, eventually.

Yes, what happened with Gregor is totally positive, since it makes him admit he's been with Kay.  But the scene after that, in the club with the stranger, so so sad!  That's when it seems that everything registers in his mind: he loves Kay, but it's too late...and then the drive home - devastating.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 07, 2014, 07:12:03 pm
Thanks for contacting the moderator, hope it will be solved.

I think....when love becomes too complitated....taking distance is the only way to deal with it.
I really think it's not just the feeling he likes but he really loves Kay as a person. The gay bar scene (marc with the other guy) confirms that. Sad, indeed, but also an eye opener for Marc. Because just a guy is not good enough.
I think this experience was neccesary for Marc to find out Kay's place in his heart.


From interviews/audio comments I know that the structure of the film was: sexual attraction growing to real love. That's what the actors tried  to express.

You said: even Hanno said it was exciting. Curious what you mean by that?
Hanno and Max love each other in real life (they literally said so in an interview) and I think they both found it exciting to play this role and were very happy to do this together because there is chemistry in real life. But Hanno/Max is not the same as Marc/Kay.









Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 07, 2014, 07:32:50 pm
 Yes the raised fist is symbolic of Marc fighting / anger with himself but then realizes he can leave.. back to the forest.. only this time he does leave  V.

I missed he raised his fist. Have to watch that scene again.
But it would be typical for Marc.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 07, 2014, 09:18:35 pm
..
Yes, what happened with Gregor is totally positive, since it makes him admit he's been with Kay.  But the scene after that, in the club with the stranger, so so sad!  That's when it seems that everything registers in his mind: he loves Kay, but it's too late...and then the drive home - devastating.
I agree.  This is the moment Marc realizes that the pleasure of just getting a BJ from a stranger cannot equate to the happiness , all be it limited, he experienced with Kay.  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 07, 2014, 09:23:33 pm
Yeah, naked.  They are.  I thought I read somewhere, can't remember where, that Hanno had it in his contract for no frontal nudity - I guess Max was a little more, uh, ok with that.  He's all about authenticity and integrity in his work - he's pretty damn authentic.  I'm surprised that a star of his caliber in Germany would agree to that. 
I agree.  Nude.  There are several nude / frontal shots with Max.  This very intimate scene was where he turns to to his left.  With Hans there's only one scene  I remember where there's really any nudity and when he's attacked in the shower.  Our view is quite blurred thru the curtain.  V. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2014, 10:32:00 am

You said: even Hanno said it was exciting. Curious what you mean by that?
Hanno and Max love each other in real life (they literally said so in an interview) and I think they both found it exciting to play this role and were very happy to do this together because there is chemistry in real life. But Hanno/Max is not the same as Marc/Kay.



I think it was Max, not Hanno, sorry.  It was in an interview, I'll try to find it.  And he strictly meant "exciting" as it pertained to his acting, and his ability to do something that is so out of character for him in real life, the opposite, really: convincingly show love for another man.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2014, 10:42:05 am
It was from an interview on the IMDb site, I posted it a few pages back, but added the link again below.

RIEMELT: It's different. I didn't have this before in this form, and so it was extremely exciting, because my ambition is relatively high, especially regarding authenticity. Then I have to be convinced that I could fall in love with a man theoretically, even though I feel more drawn to women. But that was the challenge. I think it's awesome to be able to do these kind of things in your job. And there's only a little overcoming necessary in order to get physically close to someone. And then it affects the viewer already. That's the beauty of it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/thread/215191940 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/thread/215191940)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 08, 2014, 10:57:25 am
Yes it was Max, I remember the interview.
But in another interview he said something like: to play the role I had to be convinced that it could happen to me, falling in love with another man.
I wonder what it is that convinced him. I am not sure how to interpret this. I know he is straight but there must be something that convinced hem that the line between gay/straight can be thin. In another interview he mentioned that thin line himself.

But I guess it is just my imagination.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2014, 11:00:21 am
Part of another interview at the same link.  I googled to try to find a picture of what he's talking about but could only find the one below:

RIEMELT: The movie (Free Fall) is almost a sequel. Hanno, do you remember the scene in 'Auslandseinsatz' where we departed?

KOFFLER: The moment in front of the bus?

RIEMELT: Yes, we are standing face to face there, and all you're thinking is: 'Any moment they'll start kissing.'


(http://images.kino.de/flbilder/max12/auto12/auto37/12370484/b640x600.jpg)

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 08, 2014, 11:02:45 am
yes!! It was even the same interview.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2014, 11:08:41 am
Yes it was Max, I remember the interview.
But in another interview he said something like: to play the role I had to be convinced that it could happen to me, falling in love with another man.
I wonder what it is that convinced him. I am not sure how to interpret this. I know he is straight but there must be something that convinced hem that the line between gay/straight can be thin. In another interview he mentioned that thin line himself.

But I guess it is just my imagination.



I take that to mean only that he has to commit himself to the role, no matter what it is.  Like when he played the junkie; he had to assume the role of a heroin addict, and to make it real, he had to convince himself that he could be an addict, and what that would be like.  I'm sure it takes research and time to develop how he thinks his character will behave in that situation.  Remember Hanno saying he plastered the hotel walls with the scene sequences for Free Fall as preparation?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 08, 2014, 11:20:39 am
I think you are right. My fantasy is a little too big sometimes  ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2014, 11:26:16 am
LOL!

I just read another interview with Hanno (through google translate); I didn't know he also has a daughter.  There's really no info in the US press about either of these guys.  Usually when you google an actor or actress, you get pics of their girlfriends/boyfriends or husbands/wives, who they're dating, etc.  But seems like the German press is not covering that at all.  Which is good for Hanno and Max, keeps their private lives private.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 08, 2014, 05:14:16 pm
Part of another interview at the same link.  I googled to try to find a picture of what he's talking about but could only find the one below:

RIEMELT: The movie (Free Fall) is almost a sequel. Hanno, do you remember the scene in 'Auslandseinsatz' where we departed?

KOFFLER: The moment in front of the bus?

RIEMELT: Yes, we are standing face to face there, and all you're thinking is: 'Any moment they'll start kissing.'


(http://images.kino.de/flbilder/max12/auto12/auto37/12370484/b640x600.jpg)



Yesss, I can see your posts. The mod told me I problably pushed the ignore button (by accident of course  ;)). I changed it now. Thanks again.

Wow that picture is so sweet, don't you think?
It's one of the last scenes of "Auslandseinsatz". I watched that movie online on a German site. It was a goodbye scene and before the hugh you see at the picture, they stared at each other for a while. That's the almost kissing moment. It's really a lovely scene.
I don't know if it works for the US, but you could try to google "auslandseinsatz online movie4k", that's the site I watched. This scene is in the last 5 minutes. No subs, but you don't need subs.
Hope you can watch online or download it, if you love the two of them together as much as I do, it's worthwile just for that scene.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 08, 2014, 05:59:25 pm
LOL!

I just read another interview with Hanno (through google translate); I didn't know he also has a daughter.  There's really no info in the US press about either of these guys.  Usually when you google an actor or actress, you get pics of their girlfriends/boyfriends or husbands/wives, who they're dating, etc.  But seems like the German press is not covering that at all.  Which is good for Hanno and Max, keeps their private lives private.

As far as I know (from interviews and other stuff I found on internet), Max doesn't want his private life in the spotlights. I heard a German radio interview (a recent one) and the interviewer said: when we heard you were coming, everyone said: wow, he's good....but he's also introverted.
After hearing the interview, I thought: no, you are not introverted at all. Just not a guy who only wants to talk about superficial (or triviant, don't know the right word) things and in fact he showed a lot of himself. My opinion: beautiful outside and inside.

I also read a review from someone who saw the free fall premiere in Berlin. After the movie, director and cast came on stage.
The review said: Hanno was very confident, Max seemed shy and left the stage as soon as he could.

And in another interview Max said: I don't want my friends and family to read nonsens about me in gossip magazines.

So all together I think Max protects his private life.

I'm talking too much about Max again :P.

And I didn't know Hanno had a daughter.









Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 08, 2014, 06:38:12 pm
I'm not on Facebook, so I can't see the comments, but I'm not surprised.

I wonder if Lacant and the actors would consider it, I think it could be very successful.  If they do, they should definitely release it in theatres in the US, not just at queer film festivals.  I think it would appeal to a much larger audience if it was promoted.

 

Free fall was a low budget production. Stephan Lacant said that they were happy that the movie made it to the german cinema's and that they didn't expect the film would get so much attention. And, as I understood well, in Germany it was not shown in a lot of cinema's and mostly the smaller ones. I think because the movie is considered as a "gay movie" , just interesting for certain target group. And that's so not true!
Do you really think this movie (foreign country, subtitled, being sold as "gay movie"), would do good in US cinema's?


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2014, 07:40:24 pm
The other side


(http://www.betafilm.com/media/images/proddata/c7/142828.jpg_image_scaler_0x310.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2014, 07:46:06 pm
Free fall was a low budget production. Stephan Lacant said that they were happy that the movie made it to the german cinema's and that they didn't expect the film would get so much attention. And, as I understood well, in Germany it was not shown in a lot of cinema's and mostly the smaller ones. I think because the movie is considered as a "gay movie" , just interesting for certain target group. And that's so not true!
Do you really think this movie (foreign country, subtitled, being sold as "gay movie"), would do good in US cinema's?


Maybe, because I like it so much, I'm being a little optimistic about it making a lot of money in the US.  Brokeback was made for $14 million and grossed $83 million in the US.  I agree the fact that Free Fall is subtitled would probably be an issue.  

Glad you can see my posts now  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 10:05:18 am
Saw this today on my tumblr feed for Free Fall:

Friday May 9th the Deutscher Filmpreis will be awarded in Berlin. It will be broadcast slightly delayed to the live awards ceremony at 10.45pm on ARD.
Hanno is nominated for the German Film Award (Deutscher Filmpreis) in the category best leading actor for his performance in Free Fall (Freier Fall).

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 10:06:24 am
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/e354fa788dc94cd0d0db31310af23c65/tumblr_n5a2vm4yLU1rybou4o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 10:16:55 am
I got an idea of what they're talking about via Google translate: if Hanno wins, it would be an upset over the "favorite" Dieter Hallervorden?

Dafür begegnet einem bei den Herren allen Ernstes Dieter Hallervorden als greiser Marathonläufer („Sein letztes Rennen“) – man sollte es dann nicht für einen Scherz der Showautoren halten, wenn er statt Hanno Koffler („Freier Fall“) oder Sascha Alexander Gersak („5 Jahre Leben“) mit einer Lola nach Hause ginge.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 10:25:59 am
HAUPTDARSTELLER

Sascha Alexander Gersak in 5 JAHRE LEBEN
Dieter Hallervorden in SEIN LETZTES RENNEN
Hanno Koffler in FREIER FALL
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 10:48:52 am
New movie for Hanno.  Not sure if the title is right, I got it from translate.

Shooting begins on "Special gravity of guilt" in Dormagen (from left): Hanno Koffler, Producer Tim Rostock, Kaspar Heidel Bach (Director), Hans-Martin Stier, Götz George, Thomas Thieme, Angelika Bartsch, Wilfried Hochholdinger, Anna Fischer.



(http://bc02.rp-online.de/polopoly_fs/drehstart-besondere-schwere-schuld-dormagen-vl-1.4219503.1399311665!httpImage/4236535279.jpg_gen/derivatives/d540x303/4236535279.jpg)


http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/dormagen/goetz-george-dreht-film-im-malerviertel-aid-1.4219501 (http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/dormagen/goetz-george-dreht-film-im-malerviertel-aid-1.4219501)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 12:21:15 pm
I got an idea of what they're talking about via Google translate: if Hanno wins, it would be an upset over the "favorite" Dieter Hallervorden?

Dafür begegnet einem bei den Herren allen Ernstes Dieter Hallervorden als greiser Marathonläufer („Sein letztes Rennen“) – man sollte es dann nicht für einen Scherz der Showautoren halten, wenn er statt Hanno Koffler („Freier Fall“) oder Sascha Alexander Gersak („5 Jahre Leben“) mit einer Lola nach Hause ginge.

Hi Nancy  ;),

I am not sure what they talking about. I put it in Dutch translater but I still don't understand.
Maybe one of the German people here can help?

However, I hope Hanno wins, he deserves it.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 12:31:18 pm
Even though I haven't seen any of the other movies or actors, I think he should win, too.   :)   He really was excellent, so much emotion.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 01:27:30 pm
goofy  ;D

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/p350x350/10150455_756780747695628_6219795221623507562_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 01:29:38 pm
(http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ln/20140426/filmpreis_nominees_night_260414_01/hanno-koffler-deutscher-filmpreis-2015-nominees-night_4169717.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 01:34:38 pm
Hanno Koffler - Deutscher Filmpreis 2015 nominees night at 40Seconds Club - Arrivals - Berlin, Germany - Saturday 26th April 2014


(http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ln/20140426/filmpreis_nominees_night_260414_01/hanno-koffler-deutscher-filmpreis-2015-nominees-night_4169736.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Penthesilea on May 09, 2014, 02:37:49 pm
I got an idea of what they're talking about via Google translate: if Hanno wins, it would be an upset over the "favorite" Dieter Hallervorden?

Dafür begegnet einem bei den Herren allen Ernstes Dieter Hallervorden als greiser Marathonläufer („Sein letztes Rennen“) – man sollte es dann nicht für einen Scherz der Showautoren halten, wenn er statt Hanno Koffler („Freier Fall“) oder Sascha Alexander Gersak („5 Jahre Leben“) mit einer Lola nach Hause ginge.

Hi Nancy  ;),

I am not sure what they talking about. I put it in Dutch translater but I still don't understand.
Maybe one of the German people here can help?

However, I hope Hanno wins, he deserves it.


I found the complete article in the FAZ. It has a holier-than-you attitude and tries to be sarcastic. It badmouthes the Lola-Show and the awards as a whole.
The above mentioned is rather meant the other way 'round: it's ridiculous that Dieter Hallervorden is even nominated and thus would be a bad joke if Hallervorden won the award instead of Koffler.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Penthesilea on May 09, 2014, 02:45:14 pm
New movie for Hanno.  Not sure if the title is right, I got it from translate.

Shooting begins on "Special gravity of guilt" in Dormagen (from left): Hanno Koffler, Producer Tim Rostock, Kaspar Heidel Bach (Director), Hans-Martin Stier, Götz George, Thomas Thieme, Angelika Bartsch, Wilfried Hochholdinger, Anna Fischer.


"Besondere Schwere der Schuld" is a judicial term and apparently a particularity that only exists in German law, so there is no good translation for it. It means a delinquent has a particularly high degree of culpability/fault.

I found a good explanation in my online dictionary:
Apparently this only exists in German law, so be careful to explain that. This particular finding means that someone sentenced to life in Germany, usually able to apply for parole after 15 years, can only apply for parole after 18 years. With this finding, however, it'll be more like 20+ years before they may actually be granted it.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 03:27:18 pm
That's great, thanks so much for the translations!  I've checked to see if Hanno won, but I guess the ceremony is still going on.  I did see some pics of actors and actresses on the red carpet as they arrived today, but didn't see any of him.

Now going back to last summer, I found this - sorry that they used the word "hunkfest"  :-\

Outfest Awards Brunch serves up a hunkfest!
By Greg Hernandez on Jul 21, 2013 5:36 pm

And finally, my biggest treat of all because I had been dying to meet him: German actor Hanno Koffler whose film Free Fall was one of my favorites of the entire festival and whose performance in the film was absolutely superb. Hanno had flown into LA four days ago for meetings and to appear at the encore screening of his film on Sunday afternoon. He also was one of the presenters at the brunch.

I’m basically smitten.


(http://greginhollywood.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/IMG_2831-400x376.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 03:30:01 pm
Friday Morning Man: Hanno Koffler!
By Greg Hernandez on Jul 19, 2013 12:00 am

This 33-year-old actor is one of the stars of one of the best films I’ve seen at Outfest so far this year: Free Fall.

He’s Hanno Koffler and he plays a seemingly straight police officer with a pregnant girlfriend in this very well-done German drama.


http://greginhollywood.com/friday-morning-man-hanno-koffler-87681 (http://greginhollywood.com/friday-morning-man-hanno-koffler-87681)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 03:39:24 pm
well this doesn't look good

(http://img.morgenpost.de/img/bilder/crop127838439/2458722617-ci3x2l-w620/Deutscher-Filmpreis-2014-Verleihung.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 04:13:27 pm
well this doesn't look good

(http://img.morgenpost.de/img/bilder/crop127838439/2458722617-ci3x2l-w620/Deutscher-Filmpreis-2014-Verleihung.jpg)

No, this doesn't look like Hanno at all.

But serious: I read on the facebook page that the other guy got the price. Too bad  >:(

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 04:17:10 pm

I found the complete article in the FAZ. It has a holier-than-you attitude and tries to be sarcastic. It badmouthes the Lola-Show and the awards as a whole.
The above mentioned is rather meant the other way 'round: it's ridiculous that Dieter Hallervorden is even nominated and thus would be a bad joke if Hallervorden won the award instead of Koffler.

Thank's a lot for translating  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 04:37:11 pm
No, this doesn't look like Hanno at all.



 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 04:39:54 pm
Well, I got my DVD in the mail today and there is no bonus audio, not even in German.  Not even the deleted scenes are on it.   >:(
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 04:45:15 pm
Well, I got my DVD in the mail today and there is no bonus audio, not even in German.  Not even the deleted scenes are on it.   >:(

Try this: don't choose the english version but the german version. I choose the dutch version and there were no extra's. I'm sure the extra's will be there.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 04:46:16 pm
Try this: don't choose the english version but the german version. I choose the dutch version and there were no extra's. I'm sure the extra's will be there.

Oh.  OK, be right back..
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 04:48:47 pm
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Can you image? Him kissing with Max? I think free fall would be ...uhm...less interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 04:57:42 pm
ok, how do I choose the German version?  I changed the default language settings from English to German, but nothing changed.  What am I doing wrong?  :-\
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 04:59:43 pm
Can you image? Him kissing with Max? I think free fall would be ...uhm...less interesting to watch.

Need brain bleach to get that image out of my head!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 05:13:25 pm
Need brain bleach to get that image out of my head!

 :laugh:

Oke. You don't have to change anything in the settings. Maybe you have to get the dvd out and then in again (for some reason i have to do that to come t the right menu). Then you can choose between german and some other languages (on my dvd shown as flags). If you ordered the dvd from germany there must be a possibility to choose between countries.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 05:15:23 pm
I ordered it from Amazon US, not Germany.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 05:24:39 pm
I ordered it from Amazon US, not Germany.

So you can't choose between coutries? I guess amazon us ordered from germany and must be the same version? I really hope so.





Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 05:26:43 pm
I ordered in the netherlands and can choose between three countries.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 05:35:54 pm
I can't find where I can change between countries.  the main menu shows 4 choices: Play, Chapters, Bonus & Setup.  The Bonus takes me to only the trailer that is on youtube, and to trailers for other Wolfe movies.  The setup is for stereo choice.  Oh well, I guess they didn't think the US market would be interested in the extras - wrong!

Thanks for your help  :)

Was something also included with yours that had pictures?  I thought I saw somewhere that one of the extras was a booklet with pics.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 05:42:31 pm
I can't find where I can change between countries.  the main menu shows 4 choices: Play, Chapters, Bonus & Setup.  The Bonus takes me to only the trailer that is on youtube, and to trailers for other Wolfe movies.  The setup is for stereo choice.  Oh well, I guess they didn't think the US market would be interested in the extras - wrong!

Thanks for your help  :)

 :'( :'(
I think this is really strange. Did you try to get the dvd out of the DVD player en put it back in? I have to do that every time I want to switch from the dutch to the german version.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 05:48:08 pm
I did try that, I still couldn't see anything.  First there's the FBI warning not to copy the DVD.  Then there's a short ad with some random actors telling you not to pirate videos.  Then there's an ad for the movie Pit Stop.  Then there's an ad for the movie Divine.  Then I get to the main menu with the 4 choices I mentioned.  No flags  :-\

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 05:49:45 pm

Was something also included with yours that had pictures?  I thought I saw somewhere that one of the extras was a booklet with pics.
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I read that too (pictures and interview) but no, that was not included with mine.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 05:53:26 pm
I did try that, I still couldn't see anything.  First there's the FBI warning not to copy the DVD.  Then there's a short ad with some random actors telling you not to pirate videos.  Then there's an ad for the movie Pit Stop.  Then there's an ad for the movie Divine.  Then I get to the main menu with the 4 choices I mentioned.  No flags  :-\




I'm really sorry for you >:(
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 05:57:59 pm
That's ok, it's still worth it.  I've read a lot of interviews and seen a lot of pictures.  I just love this damn movie   :D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 06:35:04 pm
It's not the same but maybe it helps.

You've seen the first two deleted scenes (the only deleted scenes with Kay in it).

1: after the first training scene with the group when Marc had to stop running, Kay comes into the shower room and said to Marc: your breating is wrong, killing at long distances. Then Marc get's problems with his leg and Kay helps him. Then Marc said: lass, lass. Which means: stop it, don't do that.

2: Kay shows up unexpectedly in the canteen. (I think it was an alternative for the scene Kay shows up as the new collegue). This scene does not need words (I loved it, that look at Marc's face and the way Kay smiled).

3. Marc gives his dirty laundry to his mother. And while she is putting the laundry into the washer, she says to Marc: can't you talk with Frank about working all those  nights ( :P). They talk a little and then Marc's mum finds a condom in one of his pants. She looks at it for a while but then she puts it aside. Marc stressed for a moment of course, but his mum didn't seem suspicious at all.
(In the audio comments I heard that this scene was meant to show the viewers that Marc and Kay had safe sex. No idea why the scene was deleted after all).





Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 06:41:33 pm
This is great!

Yes, I've seen the deleted scene of them when Marc gets the leg cramp, but didn't know what Kay said to him, about his breathing.  That would have been great to leave in, it really explains why they start running together, and why Kay keeps telling him to breathe evenly.

The canteen scene!  Wasn't that great?  I love the look on Kay's face, too - he's so cocky and sure of himself.  This would have been better than the "new collegue" scene.  They should have asked us about this!

Oh, ok.  I have seen a few viewer comments that mention them not using condoms, so that would have been good, too.  And the night shifts are mentioned.  We never really know how many nights they spend together until Bettina says "all those night shifts.  You weren't even there."

These were good scenes - I wonder what else ended up on the cutting room floor.  They could make a fortune selling out-takes from the bed scene at Kay's   ;)

Thank  you so much!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 09, 2014, 06:54:25 pm
This is great!

Yes, I've seen the deleted scene of them when Marc gets the leg cramp, but didn't know what Kay said to him, about his breathing.  That would have been great to leave in, it really explains why they start running together, and why Kay keeps telling him to breathe evenly.

The canteen scene!  Wasn't that great?  I love the look on Kay's face, too - he's so cocky and sure of himself.  This would have been better than the "new collegue" scene.  They should have asked us about this!

These were good scenes - I wonder what else ended up on the cutting room floor.  They could make a fortune selling out-takes from the bed scene at Kay's   ;)

Thank  you so much!


You're welcome.
I tell you tomorrow about the other scenes. There's a lot more conversation in 2 of the last 3 scenes and I want to describe as good as possible. d
In Dutchie it's after midnight and my brains are getting slow  :).

By the way: did you know that the actrice who played Marc's mum is a lesbien in real life? Do you remember that look at her face in the elevator? And the legendary "we didn't raise you like this?"In German cinema's was a lot of laughing at those scenes. You can imagine why,
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 06:57:21 pm
Ok, good night, talk to you tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 07:01:51 pm
This is the interview (in English) where he mentions his daughter.  (I thought Max was from Berlin, but not Hanno)

Countdown to the German Movie Awards: Interview with Hanno Koffler about his pajamas, his dream to make music and his hometown Berlin

http://awz-deroandco.tumblr.com/post/85242763320/countdown-to-the-german-movie-awards-interview-with (http://awz-deroandco.tumblr.com/post/85242763320/countdown-to-the-german-movie-awards-interview-with)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2014, 07:03:02 pm
A comment from tumblr - it might be from Facebook



Aww, Hanno was so cute after they showed his face after they showed the clip at the German Movie Awards. His eyes were wet and he was hiding his face


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Penthesilea on May 10, 2014, 01:48:30 am
The reason you can't choose different countries' versions on your DVD is that you have a different DVD. DVDs have different region codes. European DVDs don't play in American DVD-players and vice versa.

Here's an overview of the different region codes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/DVD-Regions_with_key-2.svg/400px-DVD-Regions_with_key-2.svg.png)


DVDs are region coded for copyright issues, release date control and also due to the fact that you North Americans have different color technology build in your TVs. Yours run on NTSC while ours have PAL or SECAM.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 09:08:35 am
Wow, thank you, I didn't know that at all.  So there is a difference in what they actually put on what DVD in which region.  Should all be alike  :-\
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 09:56:52 am
I played the DVD and the picture quality is better than the digital movie on Amazon, so I'm glad I bought it.  The quality on the digital was good, nothing wrong with it at all; but it is better on the DVD.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 10, 2014, 10:24:58 am
The reason you can't choose different countries' versions on your DVD is that you have a different DVD. DVDs have different region codes. European DVDs don't play in American DVD-players and vice versa.

Here's an overview of the different region codes:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/DVD-Regions_with_key-2.svg/400px-DVD-Regions_with_key-2.svg.png)
DVDs are region coded for copyright issues, release date control and also due to the fact that you North Americans have different color technology build in your TVs. Yours run on NTSC while ours have PAL or SECAM.

Thanks for posting.

There are mods to allow some players to play DVDs from ANY region.. YMMV see below:

http://www.wisebread.com/make-your-dvd-player-region-free-in-seconds
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

As for the the PAL vs NTSC which alters the actual way the picture is designed to be displayed on the screen, changes frame rates, colors, etc.. that's a bit harder but if you have a PC..

http://www.diffen.com/difference/NTSC_vs_PAL

VLC Player will handle (so I'm told) but I have never actually tried to play a PAL DVD. 

Always be very careful where you download VLC. Use only known safe source as there are lots of sites with VLC in google - many infected with malware, viruses and trojans.  Use trusted sources such as the main project or CNET...

https://www.videolan.org/
http://download.cnet.com/VLC-Media-Player/3000-13632_4-10267151.html

Cheers, V.




Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 10, 2014, 11:04:18 am
SECAM = Système Évolvé Contre les AMéricains.  ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SECAM

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 11:27:30 am
Hi Mariska & Vincent,
you guys are the only ones who've seen the movie, so what's your opinion on this?  Is there any significance to the fact that, when Marc goes to the club without Kay, he's wearing the same "Super Racers" t-shirt that Bettina is wearing when he comes back after their "close encounter" in the forest?

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 11:51:59 am
Hi Mariska & Vincent,
you guys are the only ones who've seen the movie, so what's your opinion on this?  Is there any significance to the fact that, when Marc goes to the club without Kay, he's wearing the same "Super Racers" t-shirt that Bettina is wearing when he comes back after their "close encounter" in the forest?



I didn't notice Marc was wearing the same shirt (you really notice everything, don't you?  :D).
But in the comments they said that Bettina loves to wear Marc's shirt (so the shirt is Marc's) while Marc is cheating on her.
If there is any significance (but I don't know if it was done on purpose Marc wearing that shirt in the club),  it seems to me like: Bettina doesn't want to wear his shirt anymore.
Speak to you later.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 10, 2014, 12:04:11 pm
I didn't notice Marc was wearing the same shirt (you really notice everything, don't you?  :D).
But in the comments they said that Bettina loves to wear Marc's shirt (so the shirt is Marc's) while Marc is cheating on her.
If there is any significance (but I don't know if it was done on purpose Marc wearing that shirt in the club),  it seems to me like: Bettina doesn't want to wear his shirt anymore.

WOW.. Nice catch!  I agree.  Maybe thought Marc made him appear younger...? That's the first thing that pops in my mind.  CHeers, V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 12:21:46 pm
WOW.. Nice catch!  I agree.  Maybe thought Marc made him appear younger...? That's the first thing that pops in my mind.  CHeers, V.

T hought about it again. From the audio comments I know the fact that Bettina wore Marc's shirt, had a meaning. So I think Marc wearing that shirt has a meaning too. That shirt shows breaking up the bond with Bettina? Or that Marc is on his own now?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 12:49:25 pm
I'm so glad you have the audio, so you can fill us in.  But they really should have included it on all DVDs  >:(

What you say, now that I know about their comments, makes sense.  Bettina wore his shirts to feel close to him while he was gone, now she isn't wearing them anymore  She has discarded the shirts (and Marc), and he has claimed them (and himself) again.  

I seriously think Lacant and the actors should get in on this conversation!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 01:39:14 pm
photo credit ©Marko Greitschus (API) Deutsche Filmakadamie e.V.



(https://24.media.tumblr.com/26f2d371bf9488ed2068893d5965d31f/tumblr_n5dbspikck1rybou4o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 05:15:19 pm
Hi Nancy,

The other deleted scenes:
First you have to know that there was an alternative story line in which Frank had a secret affair with Britt. In the fourth deleted scene Marc and Frank speak about Britt.
I think it’s deleted because Kay and Britt were supposed to have something going on together. In the comments they called it Kay’s coverup.

So, in the fourth deleted scene Marc and Frank have been drinking together.
Marc asks Frank how many woman he slept with.
Frank: about 30.
Marc: included Britt?
Frank (sigh):Oh yes Britt. Do you know what she dared to asked me? If I had ever thought of leaving Claudia. Imagine that.
Marc: don’t you ever feel guilty?
Frank (sigh again): you know, the house, the kids, Claudia……sometimes I think: it this all there is?
Then Frank looks at Marc with a dirty smile and says:  don’t you ever think of cheating Bettina? When you think of sex, do you always think of Bettina?
Marc: no, not really.
Frank: I understand that.

The fifth deleted scene is nothing more than Gregor telling  a stupid gay joke in the shower room (after Kay was picked up in the bar). Kay wasn’t there, Marc reacted annoyed.

The last one: I couldn’t understand it all (no dutch subs either), so I have to sum up a bit. I think it is an alternative for the empty apartment scene (Marc didn’t know yet that Kay has left).
After Bettina left Marc and Marc confessed to Bettina his affair with Kay, Frank and Claudia tried to reunite them. The four of them meet at the bowling hall (I’m starting to hate that bowling hall). Claudia and Bettina sitting at the table, Frank and Marc at the bar. Marc looks sad.
Frank asks how he is dealing with everything. Marc says something like: I don’t wanna talk about it.
Frank: well, soon you will be good old Marc again. Now Engel is gone, everything will be like it used  to be.
Marc (looks upset): how do you mean, Engel is gone?
Frank: we don’t even know where he went. But, if you ask me, I’m glad. He caused a lot of trouble.
And Frank left. Marc sits alone at the bar, devastated because he heard Kay had left.
This was an emotional scene. Everybody glad that Kay, the trouble maker, left. Now Marc will be “wie früher” (like he used to be). Nobody even thought of the possibility that Marc had real feelings for Kay. Very sad scene.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 10, 2014, 05:17:57 pm
Just finished watching the movie on DVD. Like other North American ones, no extras such as commentary.

Very powerful movie, now I can read some of the comments y'all have made.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 05:34:38 pm
Just finished watching the movie on DVD. Like other North American ones, no extras such as commentary.

Very powerful movie, now I can read some of the comments y'all have made.



Glad you liked it  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 05:36:30 pm
This is the interview (in English) where he mentions his daughter.  (I thought Max was from Berlin, but not Hanno)

Countdown to the German Movie Awards: Interview with Hanno Koffler about his pajamas, his dream to make music and his hometown Berlin

http://awz-deroandco.tumblr.com/post/85242763320/countdown-to-the-german-movie-awards-interview-with (http://awz-deroandco.tumblr.com/post/85242763320/countdown-to-the-german-movie-awards-interview-with)

Good interview. He seems to be a really nice guy. And just like me sleeping in old shirts  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 05:45:35 pm

Bettina wore his shirts to feel close to him while he was gone, now she isn't wearing them anymore  She has discarded the shirts (and Marc), and he has claimed them (and himself) again. 


Sometimes it's difficult to express in Dutch what I feel about something, but in English is even more difficult. But this is exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 06:02:27 pm
Hi Mariska,
thank you so much for explaining the deleted scenes for me.  I found all 6, but they have Russian subtitles!!  So your explanations really helped.  

you're so right about the scene in the bowling alley.  I could hear Marc say "Engel", so I knew when they started talking about him, and then he just quietly fell apart.   :'(

I put the link for the 6 deleted scenes with Russian subs below anyway.

http://vk.com/video-39818588_167204733 (http://vk.com/video-39818588_167204733)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 06:04:03 pm
Just finished watching the movie on DVD. Like other North American ones, no extras such as commentary.

Very powerful movie, now I can read some of the comments y'all have made.



Yes, very glad you liked it.  Mariska is filling us in on all the commentary that we didn't get.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 06:05:14 pm
Sometimes it's difficult to express in Dutch what I feel about something, but in English is even more difficult. But this is exactly what I meant.

You said the words, "breaking up the bond with Bettina? Or that Marc is on his own now?"   I just moved them around a little  :)

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 06:44:16 pm
WOW - Frank & Britt!  Just when I was thinking what a nice happy couple Frank & Claudia were!

I'm glad they didn't go with that sub-plot, it would have been too much, and too far away from the storyline, it would have just muddied the water.

If anything, they could have done Kay & Britt - as it is, you (well, if you watch it as many times as I have!) have to imagine that when he wasn't with Marc he could be with Britt, if he wanted to.  But even that would have intruded on the story of Marc & Kay, and that's what I was invested in seeing.  I mean, they kept Kay so hidden; what did he do with his time when he wasn't with Marc?  And how often did they see each other?  For some reason, I really want to know more about that.  When they do part 2, I certainly hope they come to me for ideas  ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 07:41:34 pm
You said the words, "breaking up the bond with Bettina? Or that Marc is on his own now?"   I just moved them around a little  :)



Yes, but the way I said it sounds a little pathetic, like "poor Marc". You said:  "and he has claimed them (and himself) again" and that makes all the difference. You can loose everyting, except yourself.

If Marc and Bettina would have stayed together, Marc really should have lost himself. Choosing the easy way. Now everyting is open for him. That's why I can live with the end now.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 07:57:48 pm
I don't know if you'd be interested in reading this.  It's a short fanfiction story about FF.  The writer, who is German but wrote this in English, wanted a better ending, so she put Marc and Kay together.


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10221428/1/No-more-running (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10221428/1/No-more-running)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2014, 08:07:18 pm
WOW - Frank & Britt!  Just when I was thinking what a nice happy couple Frank & Claudia were!

I'm glad they didn't go with that sub-plot, it would have been too much, and too far away from the storyline, it would have just muddied the water.

If anything, they could have done Kay & Britt - as it is, you (well, if you watch it as many times as I have!) have to imagine that when he wasn't with Marc he could be with Britt, if he wanted to.  But even that would have intruded on the story of Marc & Kay, and that's what I was invested in seeing.  I mean, they kept Kay so hidden; what did he do with his time when he wasn't with Marc?  And how often did they see each other?  For some reason, I really want to know more about that.  When they do part 2, I certainly hope they come to me for ideas  ::)

From the comments: Kay was supposed to be hidden and mysterious. He just shows up in Marc's life. All the questions: how much time between the scenes, how often, how long, etc. wasn't important. The scenes showed the actual status, not the time it took.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 10, 2014, 08:13:10 pm
Yeah, I get it, and they're right of course.  Which makes the ending all the more ambiguous, and each viewer is free to "fill in the blanks" about what happens to Marc.

I still want part 2.  I'd like to see the blanks filled in on a DVD with Hanno & Max  ;)

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 11, 2014, 12:49:12 am
From the comments: Kay was supposed to be hidden and mysterious. He just shows up in Marc's life. All the questions: how much time between the scenes, how often, how long, etc. wasn't important. The scenes showed the actual status, not the time it took.

But because we are shown so few scenes of them happy together (actually only 2, before it starts to go downhill), the relationship itself is a mystery, and that’s frustrating for me.  Were they really only happy twice?  We see them more miserable than happy.  

The only 2 times we see them when they really enjoy being together: at Kay’s apartment when he gives him the key, and even then Marc acts as if it’s no big deal (dammit, Marc!), and at the club.

The scene when they are running, silent, is so hard for me to watch, you just know the happy times are over already.

Then it’s a matter of Marc backing away and coming back, and never once thinking how that affects Kay. When Kay asks if he’s ever going to tell Bettina, Mark leaves.  He backs away when he hits Kay, and then comes back to him when they have the argument in Kay’s apartment.  He backs away and comes back to him in the same minute, at the hospital when he closes him off, then asks to be kissed.  

I know, I know; this is not a happily-ever-after movie, and I appreciate that, and I love it anyway.  But can’t we know a little more about the good times? (they don’t even have to be naked   ;)  ) The happy times they had together that made the bad times worth putting up with? (oh, man, bad grammar).

They can make all this up to me in part 2, when they go back and recap the whole affair, before going on to what happens, and if Marc goes after Kay (of course he does).

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 11, 2014, 12:56:58 am

So, in the fourth deleted scene Marc and Frank have been drinking together.


Jeez, don't you just love how guys treat the whole planet as a big toilet?   ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 11, 2014, 08:41:35 am
Did watch the movie yesterday, not the gut punch that BBM was, but still a powerful movie.

Only watched it once, so I don't have the depth of observation that y'all have yet. Still, I was struck at how many scenes reminded me of BBM. Such as when Marc sat tired at the edge of a bed, and the girlfriend approached him from the back and put her hand over his chest. A number of other moments like this, but this one struck me.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 11, 2014, 10:12:38 am
Bettina coming up behind him is one of the very few likenesses.  The more you watch, the more you'll see.

And there are many sequences that make this movie "its own", apart from Brokeback.  Its great in its own right.......

I understand the reasons to compare, but this movie stands on its own.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 11, 2014, 12:07:22 pm
That's for sure!

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 12, 2014, 11:02:45 am
I apologize if my comment sounded defensive.  Vincent and I were talking a few pages back about 2 other scenes we both agreed were similar to Brokeback.
When Marc is trying to clean the paint out of the carpet and sits back against the wall, is like the alley scene, when Ennis breaks down.  And in the locker room when Limpinski beats him up - it's a little like the fight scene when Ennis gets beat up in front of the bar, after Alma tells him she knows the truth.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 12, 2014, 12:38:14 pm
Hi nancy, you sounded a little defensive  ;), but don't apologize because you are right: free fall is totally different and stands on his own. I will post on this later, takes me some time to translate in understandable english..
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 12, 2014, 05:38:26 pm
Quite correct. It's just that having seen BBM so many times and FF only once, the similarities really stand out!

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 13, 2014, 02:25:15 am
Hi Mariska,
thank you so much for explaining the deleted scenes for me.  I found all 6, but they have Russian subtitles!!  So your explanations really helped.  

you're so right about the scene in the bowling alley.  I could hear Marc say "Engel", so I knew when they started talking about him, and then he just quietly fell apart.   :'(

I put the link for the 6 deleted scenes with Russian subs below anyway.

http://vk.com/video-39818588_167204733 (http://vk.com/video-39818588_167204733)

Thanks for posting these!  Two of them I had not seen and Mariska, Thanks for the English translations!  Cheers, V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 13, 2014, 04:11:14 pm
  He's TORN with his family responsibilities.  He cannot abandon his new born baby and his son's mother - "we didn't raise you like this.."  It's a commitment he's cemented once Bettina became pregnant and his son was born.  If the pregnancy and then baby were not part of the story, it would have been simpler for Marc and Bettina to go separate ways with no strings, no commitments for at least the next 18 years.   The desire to be parts of your child's life is overwhelming for most.  But then again, this conflict is central to the story.  V

Exactly. This conflict is central to the story. And to my opinion that's the biggest difference with BBM. There are similarities, but only superficially. As I’ve experienced BBM, the homophobia is central, the reason why the love between the  2 guys was impossible. In freier fall, the homophobic environment and Marc's inner confusion about his feelings for another man play a role but are not the essence of the story. If Kay had been another woman, the conflict  would be the same (partially).
Think of Marc’s words to Kay: I’ve become a father. How can I leave Bettina and the baby?
That’s his conflict.

I don’t understand why FF is called “the German BBM”, I really think these are two very diffent movies.
I read an interesting review. Here’s part of it:

“”Even more inappropriate was the the unhappy ending. Brokeback Mountain's unhappy ending was credible and authentic because the movie took place in the 1950s. This one doesn't.

We've had decades of gay movies that almost always end badly. One or both characters are murdered, or die of AIDS, or chose to live a lie. If the filmmaker's intention here was to avoid a cliché, then they got it all backwards. The happy ending is a cliché in straight movies. In gay movies, it's still a revolutionary act. It's a bold, political assertion that yes, true happiness can be found in same-sex relationships.

If there was a pro-gay message to the movie, the ending undermined it completely. If it wasn't for the nudity and the fairly explicit scenes of gay sex, the usual suspects would be recommending this movie as a must-see moral tale of how the "homosexual lifestyle" ruins families and leads to self-destruction.”


Of course, not everyone likes the movie.
But I wonder why this person thinks the ending is inappropriate? The movie is realistic (as far as the conflict situation concerns) and the end is realistic. How can this movie have a happy end? “Bye bye Bettina and newborn son, I’m going to live happily ever after with another love?”. In a situation like this there’s always loss and drama. In reviews like these I totally miss the empathy with Bettina and even with Marc as husband/father.
All I wrote doesn’t hold me back from wanting a part two with hopefully a new start for Kay and Marc. After all the end of the movie was not that bad. Marc was free and seemed to have accepted himself.  If this would be a real life situation it’s not onthinkable he would go after Kay

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 13, 2014, 07:13:26 pm
Ennis was torn to support his family and was on that path until the Alma screen door / stairwaryk  event.  Marc's torn in the same way.  Both he and Ennis have a "sense of duty" to honor their fatherly responsibilities (man-up) for the kids which becomes gut wrenching to even consider walking away.   We hear this from Marc more than once when he struggles and again in one of the deleted scenes.

The ending is a no win. Everyone is devastated / hurt and no one got what they wanted - not Marc, not Kay, not Brittina, no her parents, no one.

Marc is not free.  He has just accepted what he has lost and is tying to move on the only way he knows now, which is to be a better policeman - hence the return to the track / ending.

Marc can not reconcile the dichotomy and struggle within himself to pursue Kay.  Why? Because Kay bolted / moved away and pursuing Kay would mean Marc must leave his son and that commitment... which is why he could not remain with Kay even if Kay stayed...(before it all blew up..)

This is similar to Ennis' reasoning for "two guys living together "....?

It is a terrible crossroads and feeling to be in - Marc's  fallen.  V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 13, 2014, 10:09:49 pm
Curious about your opinions:  Does Kay have any fault in all this?  He went after Marc, getting transferred to his unit, "if you do want to go jogging sometime", knowing that he was in a committed relationship with a woman who was pregnant with his child.  

Sorry if this is a naïve question, did Kay think Marc was gay up until the time he met Bettina?  Or was he just taking a chance with a straight guy that he was attracted to?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 14, 2014, 05:55:33 am
Curious about your opinions:  Does Kay have any fault in all this?  He went after Marc, getting transferred to his unit, "if you do want to go jogging sometime", knowing that he was in a committed relationship with a woman who was pregnant with his child.  

Sorry if this is a naïve question, did Kay think Marc was gay up until the time he met Bettina?  Or was he just taking a chance with a straight guy that he was attracted to?

Absolutely.   Kay is responsible - majorly so for the initiating these events.  We do not know but perhaps Marc would not explored those feelings if Kay had not been the instigator and been present daily as a reminder.  Marc's surprise to see Kay is no accident b/c he thought he's dodged a bullet by not going to see Kay again... then he could / would continue down this thread with Bettina, son, fatherly responsibilities, life, ...

The "now you know" like from Marc in the restroom says "I have responsibilities - a pregnant wife" loud and clear to me -so even if I really wanted to, I cannot "walk away..."

That's a tough one.  We don't know what transpired in the training / roomie situation.  We are shown tension and animosity between Marc and Kay  during training exercises so perhaps Kay had already started playing Marc and Marc was resisting then.  Maybe Kay was taking a chance pursing a "mostly" straight guy that he thought he had a chance with?  That's a strong statement and Kay transferring to Marc's unit is an even stronger statement from Kay in his beliefs - really.  There's a big difference in a one-time-thing and pursuit. It is interesting that them being roomies and bunk mates that Marc never mentioned that he's an expecting father - really?  That would generally be on the top of the queue?     It leads perhaps to the answer to your question - why?   

More we are not told.... V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 09:33:16 am
Ennis was torn to support his family and was on that path until the Alma screen door / stairwaryk  event.  Marc's torn in the same way.  Both he and Ennis have a "sense of duty" to honor their fatherly responsibilities (man-up) for the kids which becomes gut wrenching to even consider walking away.   We hear this from Marc more than once when he struggles and again in one of the deleted scenes.


I think Ennis never would have chosen for Jack. Not even when he divorsed Alma.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 12:37:44 pm
I think Ennis never would have chosen for Jack. Not even when he divorsed Alma.



Yeah, Ennis would never be able to get past his fear.  

That's another big difference between the two movies: at least Marc was able to face up to the fact that he loved Kay - even though he denies to the end being gay, he made a huge step by admitting to Gregor & Bettina that he had been with Kay (even though he reduced it to "an affair").  Ennis would carry his secret of his love for Jack to his grave.  That's a helluva lot to keep inside.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 01:35:40 pm
Absolutely.   Kay is responsible - majorly so for the initiating these events.  We do not know but perhaps Marc would not explored those feelings if Kay had not been the instigator and been present daily as a reminder.  Marc's surprise to see Kay is no accident b/c he thought he's dodged a bullet by not going to see Kay again... then he could / would continue down this thread with Bettina, son, fatherly responsibilities, life, ...

Dodged a bullet – good way to put it.  And I agree that Marc probably would not, at least at this stage of his life, have explored his feelings any further if Kay had not been around, pushing him and tantalizing him.  In 10 years?  Who knows?


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The "now you know" like from Marc in the restroom says "I have responsibilities - a pregnant wife" loud and clear to me -so even if I really wanted to, I cannot "walk away..."


I read the scene in the men’s room as Marc telling Kay, not so much that he can’t walk away from his responsibilities, (because it’s pretty early to be feeling anything about walking away), but that what happened in the forest had no meaning, it was a “one shot thing”, and nothing else is going to happen between them.  Although in the very next scene, Marc is smoking outside, clearly unable to get Kay out of his mind.

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That's a tough one.  We don't know what transpired in the training / roomie situation.  We are shown tension and animosity between Marc and Kay  during training exercises so perhaps Kay had already started playing Marc and Marc was resisting then.  Maybe Kay was taking a chance pursing a "mostly" straight guy that he thought he had a chance with?  That's a strong statement and Kay transferring to Marc's unit is an even stronger statement from Kay in his beliefs - really.  There's a big difference in a one-time-thing and pursuit. It is interesting that them being roomies and bunk mates that Marc never mentioned that he's an expecting father - really?  That would generally be on the top of the queue?     It leads perhaps to the answer to your question - why?  

More we are not told.... V.

Good questions.  I think it’s obvious that Kay transferring to Marc’s unit is the second step (after the forest) in his seduction.  

And I wondered that too, about being roommates and not knowing anything about each other.  

Still a lot of good topics to discuss about this movie.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 01:40:03 pm
Yeah, Ennis would never be able to get past his fear.  

That's another big difference between the two movies: at least Marc was able to face up to the fact that he loved Kay - even though he denies to the end being gay, he made a huge step by admitting to Gregor & Bettina that he had been with Kay (even though he reduced it to "an affair").  Ennis would carry his secret of his love for Jack to his grave.  That's a helluva lot to keep inside.

Sometimes my lack of English keeps me from expressing well, but again that's exactly what I meant.
And: After Marc said to Kay: I can't just abandon Bettina and the baby, Kay said: admit that you are gay. En then Marc hit's hem and said: I'm not gay, that thing with you was just an affair. 2 Denials (I'm not gay, I don't love you). How I feel it: this was not a denial like "I refuse to believe I'm gay" just because he can't accept he is gay. Marc decided to stay with his family (because at that time it seemed to be the only option, which is understandable). So he fooled himself and Kay because it was the only way to deal with it, telling himself that Kay was just an affair, he would get over it and it would never happen again. What else could he do? He wants to believe that he will be happy with his family again, admitting he was gay and in love with someone else just didn't suite his situation.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 01:45:10 pm
Yes, that's exactly how I see it, too.  He denied his depth of feelings for Kay as long as he could, passing their relationship off as unimportant, in order to do what he thought was the "right thing".  After Bettina was gone, so was his reason to deny his real feelings for Kay.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 02:14:51 pm
Curious about your opinions:  Does Kay have any fault in all this?  He went after Marc, getting transferred to his unit, "if you do want to go jogging sometime", knowing that he was in a committed relationship with a woman who was pregnant with his child.  

Sorry if this is a naïve question, did Kay think Marc was gay up until the time he met Bettina?  Or was he just taking a chance with a straight guy that he was attracted to?

No, is a good question. I think Kay tested Marc with little things like the smoke kiss and grapping his hand to light the cigaret. And then the looks between them. I guess Kay felt that Marc had feelings (and after the forest incident he was sure), but because of the way Marc reacted (a little chocked, surprised, in the forest really shocked) it should be clear to Kay that Marc had not this kind of experiences with men.
So I guess that Kay knew (at least he should know) that Marc leaded a hetero life.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 02:22:06 pm
Yes, that's exactly how I see it, too.  He denied his depth of feelings for Kay as long as he could, passing it off as unimportant, in order to do what he thought was the "right thing".  After Bettina was gone, so was his reason to deny his real feelings for Kay.

Yes, and sometimes we humans have to experience ourselves that things don't work like this. Marc didn't try to contact Kay again when Bettina left the house. Bettina returned to Marc and the house (we don't know how long they have been together en how much time passed between Bettina's return and the shower scene), they both came to the conclusion that it didn't work anymore. And then Marc went to Kay's appartment.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 02:31:12 pm

Marc can not reconcile the dichotomy and struggle within himself to pursue Kay.  Why? Because Kay bolted / moved away and pursuing Kay would mean Marc must leave his son and that commitment... which is why he could not remain with Kay even if Kay stayed...(before it all blew up..)


Why not? Marc is separated from Bettina en a new love/relationship doesn't mean he can't take responsibility for his child. Assumed that Kay would have stayed, why do you think the child would hold Marc back from a relationshilp with Kay?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 03:05:55 pm
No, is a good question. I think Kay tested Marc with little things like the smoke kiss and grapping his hand to light the cigaret. And then the looks between them. I guess Kay felt that Marc had feelings (and after the forest incident he was sure), but because of the way Marc reacted (a little chocked, surprised, in the forest really shocked) it should be clear to Kay that Marc had not this kind of experiences with men.
So I guess that Kay knew (at least he should know) that Marc leaded a hetero life.


Yes, good way to put it, Kay tested Marc - and he got more and more intimate as time went on, and as Marc did not resist - until the forest.  To quote the Joker, it was all part of the plan.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 03:06:11 pm


The ending is a no win. Everyone is devastated / hurt and no one got what they wanted - not Marc, not Kay, not Brittina, no her parents, no one.

Marc is not free.  He has just accepted what he has lost and is tying to move on the only way he knows now, which is to be a better policeman - hence the return to the track / ending.


 I think....  a movie like this gives a lot of room for own interpretation. That was exactly the intention of the film makers.  About the end they said literally: the end is open, everyone can decide for themselves whether the end is good or  bad.
I guess personal life experiences influence the interpretation and I watched the movie from my own point of view.
The ending ( the running scene) has a symbolic meaning: Marc is capable of breathing again. That was my feeling about it but confirmed by the comments. That also was the moment they suggested this could be the beginning for a part 2.
Marc may be alone and devestated but for me he is free to discover himself and rebuild his life again, whatever that may be. Hanno Koffler said in an interview: the greatest personality developments are hidden in life crises. I  agree with that.
The scene at the end with Gregor was important. To me it was like: now you know who I am, whether you like it or not. That's a good start.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 03:22:03 pm
Nancy, which happy scene between  Marc and Kay is your favorite?
I have 2 favorites: the short scene running in the forest (before they end up in kay's appartment). Look how Marc's face is shining, so happy and relaxed.
And the other in the bathroom at the club (forget the drugs). So cute and in love.

And which one of the sex/love scenes?
I can't choose - all of them.

What was the most emotional moment for you?
For me it's the pussyword from Marc to Gregor.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 03:34:05 pm
I think....  a movie like this gives a lot of room for own interpretation. That was exactly the intention of the film makers.  About the end they said literally: the end is open, everyone can decide for themselves whether the end is good or  bad.
I guess personal life experiences influence the interpretation and I watched the movie from my own point of view.
The ending ( the running scene) has a symbolic meaning: Marc is capable of breathing again. That was my feeling about it but confirmed by the comments. That also was the moment they suggested this could be the beginning for a part 2.
Marc may be alone and devestated but for me he is free to discover himself and rebuild his life again, whatever that may be. Hanno Koffler said in an interview: the greatest personality developments are hidden in life crises. I  agree with that.
The scene at the end with Gregor was important. To me it was like: now you know who I am, whether you like it or not. That's a good start.


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It is open to interpretation;  I happen agree with this, and it's well said.  

It's not by any means a happy ending, but I do feel hope for his future.  Marc has come a long way since the beginning and it hasn't been easy, but it's a very realistic portrayal of real life problems: things do not always work out how you think they will.  As all the plot summaries say, Marc thought his future was set in stone.  So much for that.

Of course, not everyone has had this particular situation to deal with but we've all had times where we didn't know what was the right thing to do; we've all had choices we questioned even as we made them, and faced up to any consequences that came out of those choices.  Marc is stronger at the end than he was at the beginning.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 03:36:38 pm
Nancy, which happy scene between  Marc and Kay is your favorite?
I have 2 favorites: the short scene running in the forest (before they end up in kay's appartment). Look how Marc's face is shining, so happy and relaxed.
And the other in the bathroom at the club (forget the drugs). So cute and in love.

And which one of the sex/love scenes?
I can't choose - all of them.

What was the most emotional moment for you?
For me it's the pussyword from Marc to Gregor.

Ohhh, good questions!  I'll have to take some time to think about it, otherwise I would just say "all of them"!  I'll be back.........
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 03:48:03 pm
Another one. Who is more handsome? Kay or Marc?  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 03:49:47 pm

The ending is a no win. Everyone is devastated / hurt and no one got what they wanted - not Marc, not Kay, not Brittina, no her parents, no one.


I agree with the "no-win" statement, everyone lost what they thought they had.  

But none of them will stay in that static state.  Most certainly Marc, but even Bettina and his parents, will come to accept what has happened and move on.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 03:52:10 pm
Another one. Who is more handsome? Kay or Marc?  ;D

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/97/c0/60/97c060d5c37942e9026739bdacd0abc0.jpg)

by the narrowest of margins  :)

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 04:07:05 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/97/c0/60/97c060d5c37942e9026739bdacd0abc0.jpg)

by the narrowest of margins  :)



I agree  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: fritzkep on May 14, 2014, 04:09:04 pm
Same here. The stubble definitely helps.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 04:11:27 pm
Nancy, which happy scene between  Marc and Kay is your favorite?
I have 2 favorites: the short scene running in the forest (before they end up in kay's appartment). Look how Marc's face is shining, so happy and relaxed.
And the other in the bathroom at the club (forget the drugs). So cute and in love.

I love the scene in the parking lot early in the movie.  There's so much sexual tension, and the looks between them - damn. 
I also like the club scene, but when they're dancing.  They're so dorky and adorable, I love the way Marc looks at Kay *sigh*

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And which one of the sex/love scenes?
I can't choose - all of them.

Yes all - the first kiss we see when Marc is so giving, when they are in Kay's bed, is so lovely.  But if I can choose another, I also love the kiss in the hospital - right before everything goes to shit.

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What was the most emotional moment for you?
For me it's the pussyword from Marc to Gregor.

Yes, when Marc stands up for himself (and Kay) to Gregor. But it's tied with Bettina's reaction when she screams "What are you then?"  Her emotion in that scene took me by surprise, and made me feel all the hurt and betrayal she felt. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 04:38:49 pm
I know it's just a publicity shot for a magazine, but I love this of the two of them

(http://media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/bc/1b/6ebc1b9b1f0206c9bae6679c2dd122f1.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 04:44:22 pm
Same here. The stubble definitely helps.



Definitely. And the short haircut.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 04:58:55 pm
I love the scene in the parking lot early in the movie.  There's so much sexual tension, and the looks between them - damn. 
I also like the club scene, but when they're dancing.  They're so dorky and adorable, I love the way Marc looks at Kay *sigh*

Yes all - the first kiss we see when Marc is so giving, when they are in Kay's bed, is so lovely.  But if I can choose another, I also love the kiss in the hospital - right before everything goes to shit.

Yes, when Marc stands up for himself (and Kay) to Gregor. But it's tied with Bettina's reaction when she screams "What are you then?"  Her emotion in that scene took me by surprise, and made me feel all the hurt and betrayal she felt. 

I loved the bed scene too, one of the few moments Marc is giving.
You're right. The kiss in the hospital is adorable.
I read a discussion about that kiss on twitter. Apparently we are not the only obsessed ones.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 05:01:15 pm
I know it's just a publicity shot for a magazine, but I love this of the two of them

(http://media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/bc/1b/6ebc1b9b1f0206c9bae6679c2dd122f1.jpg)

Me too. Lovely picture.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 05:12:28 pm

I read a discussion about that kiss on twitter. Apparently we are not the only obsessed ones.


can you post the link, or is it in German?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 05:21:47 pm
But it's tied with Bettina's reaction when she screams "What are you then?"  Her emotion in that scene took me by surprise, and made me feel all the hurt and betrayal she felt. 


I don't know why, but for some reason I felt Marc's emotion more when Bettina said that. I can identiy more with Bettina but for some reason I just don't "feel" her. Maybe because Hanno was so intense as Marc, the relation between the two guy's was so intense, their feelings touched me more.
And there's someting about the way she said it. "What are you" (can't explain).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 14, 2014, 05:30:57 pm
I think Ennis never would have chosen for Jack. Not even when he divorsed Alma.
Please explain I do not understand your meaning. V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 05:32:00 pm
can you post the link, or is it in German?

No it's in English (but not written by an English girl I think). I tried to copy and paste that conversation and a few pictures, but it didn't work.
I don't know how to link.

Do you have twitter? If not, making an account is simple. En then you just can search for it.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 14, 2014, 05:36:39 pm
Why not? Marc is separated from Bettina en a new love/relationship doesn't mean he can't take responsibility for his child. Assumed that Kay would have stayed, why do you think the child would hold Marc back from a relationshilp with Kay?
The assumption is IF Kay stayed. He did not and I do not think he intended to as he already had asked Marc about leaving.
Trying to be a parent if one is not there daily is hard damn hard and from Marc's sense of responsibility I do not feel he could have left locally. V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 14, 2014, 05:43:45 pm
Yeah, Ennis would never be able to get past his fear.  

That's another big difference between the two movies: at least Marc was able to face up to the fact that he loved Kay        ......  Ennis would carry his secret of his love for Jack to his grave.  That's a helluva lot to keep inside.
So Ennis going to Jack's home .....didn't tell Jsck's mom ?  She knew his and Jsck's story and accepted it. Marc's mother had a visceral reaction followed by direct confrontation  with Kay.  V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 05:45:41 pm
Please explain I do not understand your meaning. V

Sorry I didn't explain my opinion. But as I wrote to Nancy, sometimes it's hard difficult for me (because of my lack of English).
That's why I copy Nancy's reaction, that's my opinion too.

""Yeah, Ennis would never be able to get past his fear.  

That's another big difference between the two movies: at least Marc was able to face up to the fact that he loved Kay - even though he denies to the end being gay, he made a huge step by admitting to Gregor & Bettina that he had been with Kay (even though he reduced it to "an affair").  Ennis would carry his secret of his love for Jack to his grave.".

I also think Ennis would never be able to get past his fear (homophobia). I remember the scene when he was a little boy when his father showed him what happened to boys loving other boys.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 14, 2014, 05:49:18 pm
I agree with the "no-win" statement, everyone lost what they thought they had.  

But none of them will stay in that static state.  Most certainly Marc, but even Bettina and his parents, will come to accept what has happened and move on.
Yes hence my comment about Marc realizing he has 'fallen' and now is trying to recover himself. I'm insure how to convey this better. The ending has meanings on several levels. Just like the parting 'window' framing the golden fields of wheat in Brokeback. V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 14, 2014, 05:51:13 pm
I know it's just a publicity shot for a magazine, but I love this of the two of them
I love this shot. Thanks for sharing it. Speaks well of both.  V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 05:57:13 pm
So Ennis going to Jack's home .....didn't tell Jsck's mom ?  She knew his and Jsck's story and accepted it. Marc's mother had a visceral reaction followed by direct confrontation  with Kay.  V

Yes, of course you're right, it was just on a much more private level.  He indicated to Jack's mother, but he could never come out and say he'd been with Jack, as Marc did w/Gregor & Bettina.  Different place and time.......and personality.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 05:57:21 pm
The assumption is IF Kay stayed. He did not and I do not think he intended to as he already had asked Marc about leaving.
Trying to be a parent if one is not there daily is hard damn hard and from Marc's sense of responsibility I do not feel he could have left locally. V

I'm divorced (kids living with me), so I know
But even then it's not unthinkable that Kay would turn back if Marc asked him too.


Kay asked Marc about leaving at the wrong moment. And when Marc gave the key back, Kay gave up and left.
But I'm a romantic soul and I believe in second chances.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 06:03:55 pm
Yes hence my comment about Marc realizing he has 'fallen' and now is trying to recover himself. I'm insure how to convey this better. The ending has meanings on several levels. Just like the parting 'window' framing the golden fields of wheat in Brokeback. V

Don't the two endings seem directly opposite? 

Ennis trapped inside that trailer with a view to nowhere, the mountain gone, all is flat, his love inside the closet. 

Marc out in the open, pulling away from the others, leaving them behind, stronger than before Kay.  IDK, just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 06:04:59 pm
The assumption is IF Kay stayed. He did not and I do not think he intended to as he already had asked Marc about leaving.
Trying to be a parent if one is not there daily is hard damn hard and from Marc's sense of responsibility I do not feel he could have left locally. V

I know a lot of divorced couples and, how sad it is, there are not much divorced daddies seing their children every day. In the best case it's half of the time but mostly it's one weekend in two weeks.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 14, 2014, 06:07:12 pm
Don't the two endings seem directly opposite? 

Ennis trapped inside that trailer with a view to nowhere, the mountain gone, all is flat, his love inside the closet. 

Marc out in the open, pulling away from the others, leaving them behind, stronger than before Kay.  IDK, just my thoughts.

And mine. But again, open for interpretation.
goodnight  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 06:08:17 pm
Good discussions today!

Good night  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 14, 2014, 06:09:33 pm
Do you think Marc was going to ever say I am gay and I love Kay?   It's  a long way from admitting to having an affair and another level of being to say I am gay   After all he'd already punched Kay and denied it at the car incident rage. Cheers V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 06:14:20 pm
Well, when Gregor asks if something was going on between him & Kay, Marc says yes, which earns him a beating.  That's a pretty big step from punching Kay and denying everything. 

And what if it was only Kay?  Do you believe that could be true?  I have no frame of reference for that; I've only heard opinions that you can't be "gay" for 1 person........like Ennis was for Jack 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 14, 2014, 07:17:05 pm
I don't think I've posted this one before, if I have, sorry for the duplicate

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/12/b3/70/12b37078729de77951e0967aedbb20cb.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 15, 2014, 10:59:43 am
It's in German, google translate did an ok job.


(http://www.ksta.de/image/view/2014/4/13/27117718,26829559,dmFlashTeaserRes,IMG_5529.jpg)
Prominenz in Niederaußem: Thomas Thieme, Götz George, Hannelore Elsner, Hanno Koffler, Hans-Martin Stier und Wilfried Hochholdinger (v.l.) drehten am Kraftwerk.  Foto: Dennis Vlaminck

http://www.ksta.de/bergheim/fernsehfilm-tv-stars-im-schatten-des-kraftwerks,15189172,27117692.html (http://www.ksta.de/bergheim/fernsehfilm-tv-stars-im-schatten-des-kraftwerks,15189172,27117692.html)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 15, 2014, 04:31:51 pm
Do you think Marc was going to ever say I am gay and I love Kay?   It's  a long way from admitting to having an affair and another level of being to say I am gay   After all he'd already punched Kay and denied it at the car incident rage. Cheers V

We don't know if Marc is gay. I don't think so, he had a sexual relationship with Bettina and probably with other women before her. The only thing we really know he felt (strongly) attracted to Kay. Does that mean he is bi?
I don't know if he is ever going to say I am gay, I think Marc doesn't know yet what/who he is. And maybe that is not important and the only thing that counts is the one he loves, man or woman. Kay or eventually someone else. I agree with you that Marc is not ready for a relationship with Kay, but the end was a little hopeful (as I see it) and that's why a part two would be interesting.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 15, 2014, 04:34:00 pm
I don't think I've posted this one before, if I have, sorry for the duplicate


I don't think you posted it before, but if you did...it's really no punishment to look at this twice. Beautiful picture.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 15, 2014, 04:46:26 pm


And what if it was only Kay?  Do you believe that could be true?  I have no frame of reference for that; I've only heard opinions that you can't be "gay" for 1 person........like Ennis was for Jack 

Some time ago I met a woman who was married for years and mother of 3 children. She fell in love with another woman, divorced and lives together with that woman now. She said to me: It happened once before (atrraction to a woman) so I knew it could happen again.
For her it was not just attraction, both times she fell in love with a woman was real love. 2 Times the right person. And a lot of heterosexual affairs (before she married).

So....maybe it's something like that for Marc?

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 15, 2014, 04:59:23 pm
I love the scene in the parking lot early in the movie.  There's so much sexual tension, and the looks between them - damn. 


Parking lot? I can't remember a parking lot. You mean the scene when Kay grabs Marcs hand to light the cigaret?

Question about that thene. When Kay walks away, what is Marc thinking?
And what was Marc thinking after the cigarette kiss when he touched his lips? He seems surprised but not negative surprised.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 15, 2014, 09:50:59 pm
We don't know if Marc is gay. I don't think so, he had a sexual relationship with Bettina and probably with other women before her. The only thing we really know he felt (strongly) attracted to Kay. Does that mean he is bi?
I don't know if he is ever going to say I am gay, I think Marc doesn't know yet what/who he is. And maybe that is not important and the only thing that counts is the one he loves, man or woman. Kay or eventually someone else. I agree with you that Marc is not ready for a relationship with Kay, but the end was a little hopeful (as I see it) and that's why a part two would be interesting.

You said it better than my feeble attempt.  I'll clarify..

We know from the roadside chase where Kay forces Marc off the road and confronts him, Marc rages "I am not gay. Got it?"  while punching Kay in full denial.  He also reinforces his sense of responsibility in this sequence with "I am a father now... Shall I just abandon them?"  This "not gay" is reinforced again during his locker room fight / encounter with Gregor, Marc never says he's gay, nor does he openly say / admit he had a relationship with Kay.  Watch it carefully.  He asks Gregor if he is Jealous.. after Gregor implies Marc and Kay "had something between you two..."  Yes,  Marc kissed Gregor to clearly provoke him but nothing more...  Marc grew a set..  Then when we see Marc next he's is in the club alone where he does a casual pickup, but realizes he cannot follow thru with casual sex with a stranger - not Kay.  Like Ennis's relationship with only Jack, Marc only appears attracted to Kay enough to have sex - no one else.  There's a big difference internally between accepting and saying "I am gay" and engaging someone implying there was a "something between you two.."   That's why I think Marc will not admit to being "gay" aka very similar to Ennis..    V.      
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Post by: gattaca on May 15, 2014, 10:08:25 pm
Parking lot? I can't remember a parking lot. You mean the scene when Kay grabs Marcs hand to light the cigaret?

Question about that thene. When Kay walks away, what is Marc thinking?
And what was Marc thinking after the cigarette kiss when he touched his lips? He seems surprised but not negative surprised.


That move was an intimate test for which most straight guys would have very likely punched Kay... Cheers, V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 15, 2014, 10:18:13 pm
Well, when Gregor asks if something was going on between him & Kay, Marc says yes, which earns him a beating.  That's a pretty big step from punching Kay and denying everything.  

And what if it was only Kay?  Do you believe that could be true?  I have no frame of reference for that; I've only heard opinions that you can't be "gay" for 1 person........like Ennis was for Jack  

Rewatch the scene, Marc never said yes, Gregor implied... What is Marc was just defending Kay's rights?  

I'm not qualified to answer but I certainly understand how it could happen.  Just recently Chris Martin has made allusions for many years and one most recently.  Most realize when they encounter a really attractive person, they just know it, how else do we know the person is attractive? The heart and mind often do not agree and that was Marc's case.  We realize and honor the fact that human sexuality happens on a ranged scale.  The available range is influenced by social stigma, fear of death, beatings, bullying, supportive or unsupportive communities, laws, constitutional amendments or as we saw here,  just approval from friends, parents, co-workers, ... 

Bottom line:  It is possible once one allows it to be.   Cheers, V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 08:36:34 am
That move was an intimate test which most straight guys would have very like punched Kay... Cheers, V.

This is very interesting.  I can assume that would be the case, but you confirmed it.

To answer Mariska's question about what Marc was thinking after Kay gave him the shotgun with the joint, then kissed him: I think the look on his face is "why did I like that?" (or "why didn't I punch him?"), and I'm assuming he had a, uh, physical reaction that shocked him.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 08:39:11 am
Rewatch the scene, Marc never said yes, Gregor implied... What is Marc was just defending Kay's rights?  


I thought he nods yes, then asks "Jealous?"
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Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 08:52:36 am
Parking lot? I can't remember a parking lot. You mean the scene when Kay grabs Marcs hand to light the cigaret?

Question about that thene. When Kay walks away, what is Marc thinking?
And what was Marc thinking after the cigarette kiss when he touched his lips? He seems surprised but not negative surprised.


Yes, that one.  Isn't that a parking lot?  

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As for what he's thinking when Kay walks away - he's disappointed, relieved, confused, and most definitely he feels desire........
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Post by: mariska on May 16, 2014, 10:14:41 am

To answer Mariska's question about what Marc was thinking after Kay gave him the shotgun with the joint, then kissed him: I think the look on his face is "why did I like that?" (or "why didn't I punch him?"), and I'm assuming he had a, uh, physical reaction that shocked him.

That's what I thought about it, my words would be: why wasn't that disgusting.
There's someting else I've wondered about. It's a little embarrassing, but now you are the one talking about physical reactions, I ask it anyway.
The bedscene. When Kay turns, there's a short shot we can see he really is naked. My first thougt was: oh, a little mistake from the film makers to show him that naked right at this moment? I mean, it was in the heat of the moment and (this is the embarrassing part) I didn't notice any physical reaction. Made Max's input in the scene a little unbelieveble?? Or do I have a wrong idea about this or maybe I missed something. Didn't yoy notice?
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Post by: gattaca on May 16, 2014, 11:09:46 am
I didn't notice any physical reaction. Made Max's input in the scene a little unbelieveble?? Or do I have a wrong idea about this or maybe I missed something. Didn't yoy notice?
We don't know what exactly had played before and well that part of the scene is out of focus. A male's size and state of arousal varies widely, so "it depends"  Max could have been in "recharge" mode b/c the next play it is clearly Marc's.  V.
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Post by: gattaca on May 16, 2014, 11:14:54 am
I thought he nods yes, then asks "Jealous?"
I rewatched - you are correct, Marc does issue a slight "nod" but it's not a strong affirmative yes... it could have been just a normal body movement - can play either way.  I did not notice that until your post.  Gregor's realization does not come until after the "Jealous" comment..  V.
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Post by: gattaca on May 16, 2014, 11:17:38 am
As for what he's thinking when Kay walks away - he's disappointed, relieved, confused, and most definitely he feels desire........

Perfect read.  Marc's still struggling with how or whether to follow Kay's lead. He's got so many options flying thru his head - unthinkable. V.
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Post by: mariska on May 16, 2014, 11:46:46 am
We don't know what exactly had played before and well that part of the scene is out of focus. A male's size and state of arousal varies widely, so "it depends"  Max could have been in "recharge" mode b/c the next play it is clearly Marc's.  V.

Thank you Vincent, that makes sense.

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Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 01:07:09 pm
Not very clear, but this is the only one I can find of the kiss

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 01:07:58 pm
another new one, I've not seen this one before

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 04:56:13 pm


The heart and mind often do not agree and that was Marc's case.  

 It is possible once one allows it to be.   Cheers, V.

Two beautifully worded sentiments, really lovely.  
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Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 08:44:37 pm
I rewatched - you are correct, Marc does issue a slight "nod" but it's not a strong affirmative yes... it could have been just a normal body movement - can play either way.  I did not notice that until your post.  Gregor's realization does not come until after the "Jealous" comment..  V.

It is slight, but I thought it was because of the camera angle; again, it's how each person views it.  I saw him nod "yes" from my first viewing.  





So do you think Marc was still denying Kay, and his feelings for him, at this time?  If there was a part 2, what would you like to see?  How would you like to see it played out?

Mariska - you, too,   If Lacant decided to do part 2 and came to you for input, what would you like to see?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 16, 2014, 08:56:09 pm

We know from the roadside chase where Kay forces Marc off the road and confronts him, Marc rages "I am not gay. Got it?"  while punching Kay in full denial.  He also reinforces his sense of responsibility in this sequence with "I am a father now... Shall I just abandon them?"  This "not gay" is reinforced again during his locker room fight / encounter with Gregor, Marc never says he's gay, nor does he openly say / admit he had a relationship with Kay.  Watch it carefully.  He asks Gregor if he is Jealous.. after Gregor implies Marc and Kay "had something between you two..."  Yes,  Marc kissed Gregor to clearly provoke him but nothing more...  Marc grew a set..  Then when we see Marc next he's is in the club alone where he does a casual pickup, but realizes he cannot follow thru with casual sex with a stranger - not Kay.  Like Ennis's relationship with only Jack, Marc only appears attracted to Kay enough to have sex - no one else.  There's a big difference internally between accepting and saying "I am gay" and engaging someone implying there was a "something between you two.."   That's why I think Marc will not admit to being "gay" aka very similar to Ennis..    V.      

The roadside chase....I know he denies being gay, denies loving Kay (only an affair) but he also said: I can't abandon Bettina and the baby (like you said). In an earlier post I wrote my opinion about this. At that time there was no other option for him than stay with Bettina and his newborn child, which is understandable. As I wrote before, I think this was his biggest conflict. So, what else could he do than deny, to himself and to Kay. He wants to believe his feelings for Kay were temporary, something that would never happen again, to make a new start with Bettina and baby.
But these are just my thoughts about this.
The scene with Gregor: I understand he was provoking Gregor, but I can't see the word “jealous”  as anything else than a confirmation and not only standing up for Kay’s rights. Marc could have stand up for Kay’s rights without giving the impression that he had something going on with Kay.
Something in that scene gave me the feeling that something changed in Marc. Since the car chase incident, a few thing happened (his relationship with Bettina didn’t work anymore, the pain he felt when Kay left, in the gay bar he discovered that just-a-guy didn’t replace Kay). I think he faced just 1 fact: that Kay was more than just an affair and Marc was in pain because of Kay during the Gregor scene. Maybe Marc wanted to make something up for Kay by admitting their relation or maybe he felt the need to show his feelings he was ashamed of before.
I agree with you that this is something else than admitting he’s gay or start a real relationship with another man. But I still think at certain moment he will make the choice of his heart.
Ennis and Jack loved each other for a lifetime. So why not Marc and Kay?

 
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Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 09:08:50 pm
The roadside chase....I know he denies being gay, denies loving Kay (only an affair) but he also said: I can't abandon Bettina and the baby (like you said). In an earlier post I wrote my opinion about this. At that time there was no other option for him than stay with Bettina and his newborn child, which is understandable. As I wrote before, I think this was his biggest conflict. So, what else could he do than deny, to himself and to Kay. He wants to believe his feelings for Kay were temporary, something that would never happen again, to make a new start with Bettina and baby.

Yes, he WANTS to believe his feelings are fleeting, but ultimately, he cannot.

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But these are just my thoughts about this.
The scene with Gregor: I understand he was provoking Gregor, but I can't see the word “jealous”  as anything else than a confirmation and not only standing up for Kay’s rights. Marc could have stand up for Kay’s rights without giving the impression that he had something going on with Kay.
Something in that scene gave me the feeling that something changed in Marc.

Yes, absolutely, something in him changed.  He acknowledged that he had feelings for Kay, that he loved him.


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Since the car chase incident, a few thing happened (his relationship with Bettina didn’t work anymore, the pain he felt when Kay left, in the gay bar he discovered that just-a-guy didn’t replace Kay).

Yes.  Kay cannot be replaced by another faceless guy.  It was him, Kay - the man, that person, that Marc loved.......not a mouth or a dick.  (sorry)

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I think he faced just 1 fact: that Kay was more than just an affair and Marc was in pain because of Kay during the Gregor scene.


Yes.

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Maybe Marc wanted to make something up for Kay by admitting their relation or maybe he felt the need to show his feelings he was ashamed of before.
I agree with you that this is something else than admitting he’s gay or start a real relationship with another man. But I still think at certain moment he will make the choice of his heart.
Ennis and Jack loved each other for a lifetime. So why not Marc and Kay?

 

And yes!
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Post by: mariska on May 16, 2014, 09:24:10 pm
It is slight, but I thought it was because of the camera angle; again, it's how each person views it.  I saw him nod "yes" from my first viewing.  

So do you think Marc was still denying Kay, and his feelings for him, at this time?  If there was a part 2, what would you like to see?  How would you like to see it played out?

Mariska - you, too.  If Lacant decided to do part 2 and came to you for input, what would you like to see?
Marc

Of course I want Marc to go after Kay in part two. These two stole my heart and they fit together  so well.
I don't know if this is realistic (although I mentioned before that the end gave hope), but it's the only part two for me that I would love.















 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 16, 2014, 09:28:22 pm
Yes, he WANTS to believe his feelings are fleeting, but ultimately, he cannot.

Yes, absolutely, something in him changed.  He acknowledged that he had feelings for Kay, that he loved him.


Yes.  Kay cannot be replaced by another faceless guy.  It was him, Kay - the man, that person, that Marc loved.......not a mouth or a dick.  (sorry)


Yes.

And yes!

So glad that I'm not the only romantic sould around here  ;).
Goodnight.
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Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2014, 09:51:47 pm
^^^^  Most definitely not  :)
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Post by: mariska on May 17, 2014, 08:18:42 am
If Lacant decided to do a part two.

As I wrote I would like Marc to go after Kay and everything is going to be allright.

Trying to think of a little realistic part 2, I can image it would go like this:
I almost know for sure that his relationship with Bettina is over. That part of the story is finished. Of course Marc has to make arrangements with Bettina concerning their son. He has to put his life together. He has a lot emotional stuff to deal with. And all this will take a lot of time (like every divorce).

Concerning Marc/Kay: let's assume Marc really did love Kay (I almost know for sure). Although he broke up with Kay and asked him to leave, the moment he found out Kay left, was unexpected for Marc and he was heart broken. He broke up with Kay because he had decided he couldn't leave Bettina. But after he realized that this was not going to work anymore, he went to Kay's apartment. Why? That's another interesting question. What did he want from Kay? Probably he just wanted to see him, be with him, sex. But Kay left. Because he gave up hope. One thing is clear to me: Kay was done with secret meetings and just sex. He loved Marc and was ready to have a real relationship. I think Marc wasn't ready at all. So, even if Kay should have stayed, it wouldn't have worked at that time.

But, if I put myself in Marc's shoes, it would feel "unfinished". Kay left just at the moment Marc realized his feelings for Kay.
So what I think could happen is this: Marc can't let go and after a while he is going to find out where Kay moved to. He contacts him again.
Let's assume Kay still loves Marc (and of course he does). And Kay has to understand Marc's situation at the time he ended their relationship. After all, Kay knew Marc was bound, he has to understand Marc couldn't leave his family like that.
So they meet again. Going out together, get to know eachother better, more talking. All the stuff they didn't do in part 1. And find out if there is enough love for a real relationship.
Let's assume there is. I guess then everything depends on the question: is Marc going to follow his heart and does Kay have the patience to give him the time he needs. I think yes.

I know it's still a romantic part two but....I really think it's not totally impossible this could happen.

Anyway, I won't watch a part 2 without a happy ending for the two of them. Would be too much.
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Post by: gattaca on May 17, 2014, 08:38:23 pm
It is slight, but I thought it was because of the camera angle; again, it's how each person views it.  I saw him nod "yes" from my first viewing.

So do you think Marc was still denying Kay, and his feelings for him, at this time?  If there was a part 2, what would you like to see?  How would you like to see it played out?

Mariska - you, too,   If Lacant decided to do part 2 and came to you for input, what would you like to see?
It could be played several ways. It would nice to see a happier ending when Marc is able to be a part of his son's life and may another go with Kay but there'd have to be a struggle to get there or there would be not enough there for a good film.  I can also see the thread where Marc and Brittina reunite but Marc is never really happy or one with the world. So many routes.  V
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Post by: gattaca on May 17, 2014, 08:53:10 pm
Marc's confrontation with Gregor served a couple of things  foremost I saw it as a way to get Gregor booted for his homophobic behavior as the had already been warned. I also see it as Marc admitting to himself that Kay was not just an affair that means little.  That's where he began to realize this by standing up for Kay he was more committed than he thought defending Kay is a stronger statement from Marc than we've seen. V
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Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 10:17:37 am
and may another go with Kay but there'd have to be a struggle to get there or there would be not enough there for a good film.

I Agree! Maybe my "part 2" sounded a little too romantic, but you mention in one sentence what I meant.

As far as Bettina and his son concerns as I see it: there will be visiting and financial arrangements. I don't see why he can't be a part of his son's life, even if it's not daily.
For me his relationship with Bettina is over and closed in part 1. From the moment Kay came in his life, the scenes showed us how Marc's feelings for Bettina changed more and more. Probably he still loves her in a certain way but I think the intimate part of their relationship is over. And...even at the start of the movie Marc's so-called happy family life seemed a little boring, oppresive, superficial happiness.







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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 10:59:09 am
I agree, Marc and Bettina are probably over. 

Yes, there must be conflict in order to have an interesting story.  I can see incorporating flashbacks of their time together from part one, letting us see what was really between them to cause such a love to flourish, and to cause such upheaval and change in Marc. 

I’d love to see how the relationship developed, (as a flashback from part one), have them talking together, not necessarily just talking about themselves and the problems they were going through, but likes and dislikes they shared – movies, books, even food – everyday things that would add a dimension to their characters.  Although Marc wasn’t much for talking, so that might be a short scene  :).  And if Marc is finally free to be himself, he might open up and we could see a lot more changes to his personality in part two.

And I wouldn’t rule out a love scene or two  :)
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Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 11:36:05 am
Wow, interesting approach Nancy (the flashbacks), I'll repond later.
You're only very thrifty with the lovescenes  :P.
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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 02:43:01 pm
As for conflict/struggle in their relationship, one direction is Marc's jealousy.   Albeit a cliché, it exists on some level in a lot of relationships, it already reared its ugly head in Kay's apartment.  And if Marc and Kay do decide to try it on, Kay will be so much more accustomed to the lifestyle - Marc would have a lot of learning and growing to do, I can see lots of friction there.  

Kay has already been patient with Marc, but he'd have to know that he would be the "leader" (I hesitate to use that word, but he will be showing Marc a lot about something with which Marc has no experience), and allow for mistakes on both sides.
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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 03:30:32 pm
Or, the difficulties could be around the fact that Bettina won't let Marc see his son.  She's so bitter, even more so if she finds out that Marc and Kay are together, that she tries to legally keep him from having visitation rights.  This would cause conflict, not only between Marc & Bettina, but Marc & Kay, as they try to get used to being together, at the same time having to deal with this outside problem.  I don't know anything about German law in this matter.  

But I think Bettina could feel so betrayed that she would go in this direction, at least until she had enough time to get over it, and realize that keeping her son away from his father is more of a punishment for the boy than for Marc.  It could also be played out in a positive light, so it would end well.
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Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 04:55:02 pm
Or, the difficulties could be around the fact that Bettina won't let Marc see his son.  She's so bitter, even more so if she finds out that Marc and Kay are together, that she tries to legally keep him from having visitation rights.  This would cause conflict, not only between Marc & Bettina, but Marc & Kay, as they try to get used to being together, at the same time having to deal with this outside problem.  I don't know anything about German law in this matter.  

But I think Bettina could feel so betrayed that she would go in this direction, at least until she had enough time to get over it, and realize that keeping her son away from his father is more of a punishment for the boy than for Marc.  It could also be played out in a positive light, so it would end well.

I think, if this would be the case, there's no room for Kay at all in the story. That's such a heavy sitiuation for a father. Marc would do anything to see his son. Except that: I don't know how this works in the USA, but in the Netherlands is almost impossible to legally keep a father from having visitation rights. Being unfaithful or having homosexual contacts makes him not a bad father. (Hopefully in the US the same?).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 04:58:35 pm
Nancy: Someone is watching freier fall and twittering about it. I found out that you don't need a twitter account to read other open accounts.
If you google: twitter @jonhamms you see his account.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 05:09:58 pm
Another question in a review: would this movie be as good as it is with other actors?
My answer: not a chance.
The chemistry between Max/Hanno is unique and that's what makes the movie so credible and intense.
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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 06:12:16 pm
I think, if this would be the case, there's no room for Kay at all in the story. That's such a heavy sitiuation for a father. Marc would do anything to see his son. Except that: I don't know how this works in the USA, but in the Netherlands is almost impossible to legally keep a father from having visitation rights. Being unfaithful or having homosexual contacts makes him not a bad father. (Hopefully in the US the same?).

Understood.  But she might be so screwed up by the whole thing that she would even lie about Marc (drinking, drugs, out all night - which Frank could attest to - , irresponsible) to make a case against him.  If they were already living together, Kay would be there to support him, but it would add a tremendous struggle to their relationship, but all the better when they come out of it, having fought for it together.  
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 06:13:56 pm
Another question in a review: would this movie be as good as it is with other actors?
My answer: not a chance.
The chemistry between Max/Hanno is unique and that's what makes the movie so credible and intense.

nononononononono   :)   only Max & Hanno
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 06:29:52 pm
As for conflict/struggle in their relationship, one direction is Marc's jealousy.   Albeit a cliché, it exists on some level in a lot of relationships, it already reared its ugly head in Kay's apartment.  And if Marc and Kay do decide to try it on, Kay will be so much more accustomed to the lifestyle - Marc would have a lot of learning and growing to do, I can see lots of friction there.  

Kay has already been patient with Marc, but he'd have to know that he would be the "leader" (I hesitate to use that word, but he will be showing Marc a lot about something with which Marc has no experience), and allow for mistakes on both sides.

I forgot about the jealousy, but you are right. Another sign telling something about his feelings.

But after reading Vincent's comments, I guess he's right, realizing his feelings were deeper than he thought, is a long way from accepting and taking steps.
I think that could be the struggle. So I re-write my part 2: Marc doesn't know anything, who he is, what he wants, what he feels. He's not ready to contact Kay, doesn't even know if he wants to. But there are the genius flashbacks (we see a lot of Kay in part two thanks to the flashbacks). I don't know if there will be much conversation in the flashbacks (their  feelings were palpable without much conversation, that was crucial for the film) but I’m sure there were are lot of nice/good/intensive moments between them we haven’t seen so far.
And these flashbacks help Marc to sort out his feelings.
(Do you recognize this: hearing a song or being in a certain place that brings memory’s back. And these memories make you realize things).
The end of part 2 could be open again. Marc is ready to contact Kay en so he does. What happens next we can see in part 3  :laugh:
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Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 06:49:26 pm
Understood.  But she might be so screwed up by the whole thing that she would even lie about Marc (drinking, drugs, out all night - which Frank could attest to - , irresponsible) to make a case against him.  If they were already living together, Kay would be there to support him, but it would add a tremendous struggle to their relationship, but all the better when they come out of it, having fought for it together.  

You are right, this could happen (happens in real life, very sad).
But we must not forget that Kay left, Marc didn't choose for him. Kay was not part of his life anymore.
So...if there would be trouble about visiting rights, I think it would be too much. An extra reason to not contact Kay.
If we want a part 2 with Kay in it (and of course we want a lot of Max), it's difficult and complicated enough without an extra heavy storyline.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 06:55:07 pm
nononononononono   :)   only Max & Hanno

Exactly my thoughts.

And your flashback idea is so genius. It gives the opportunity to make a realistic part 2 and still see a lot of Max/Hanno scenes in it.
We should send it to Stephan Lacant. I'm sure he would love it  :).
We are not the only ones wanting a sequel: a lot of people are begging for it (on facebook, twitter, reviews).
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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 06:57:05 pm
Exactly my thoughts.

And your flashback idea is so genius. It gives the opportunity to make a realistic part 2 and still see a lot of Max/Hanno scenes in it.
We should send it to Stephan Lacant. I'm sure he would love it  :).
We are not the only ones wanting a sequel: a lot of people are begging for it (on facebook, twitter, reviews).

Get me an address.  I'll meet you there, we can gang up on him and make him listen!

And I love your "part III" idea!!!   ;D   We could keep these guys gainfully employed for years to come, just w/this movie!  

Do you know anyone in "real life" that likes this movie as much as we do?  
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Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 07:13:20 pm
Another one from twitter:

remember when i thought watching freier fall was a good idea and i ended up a mess???[/b

Recognize the feeling  >:(
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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 07:18:21 pm
Did you ever check out that link I posted with the happily ever after ending story?
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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 07:21:05 pm
And some comments from tumblr

HOW CAN THEY END THAT MOVIE LIKE THAT?! NO I REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT ENDING NOPE NO

SCREAMING BECAUSE OF FREIER FALL’S ENDING

no freier fall is not allowed to end like that no

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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 07:25:03 pm
off topic, but want to mention: I'm watching Heath in Dark Knight - I really miss him and what he could have done as an artist.  

What a great great talent he was.   :'(
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Post by: mariska on May 18, 2014, 07:41:24 pm
Get me an address.  I'll meet you there, we can gang up on him and make him listen!

And I love your "part III" idea!!!   ;D   We could keep these guys gainfully employed for years to come, just w/this movie!  

Do you know anyone in "real life" that likes this movie as much as we do?  

Stephan Lacant has no facebook, no twitter, can't find anything.

In real life: no, I don't know anyone who watched the movie but I'm considering giving the DVD to my ex husband (and his girlfriend). I don't know if straight guys would like it, so I'm curious to his opinion.
I watched freier fall by accident. I almost never watch German movies and I'm not specially looking for gay themed movies. I chose this one from netflix because of Max riemelts name and never thougt it would impress me like this.
I think in the Netherlands not many people watch German movies.

Heath Ledger: I just know him from BBM. But yes, he was a great talent.


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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 08:25:20 pm
That says a lot for Max  ;)


As for Heath, damn.  Brokeback was, in my opinion, his best.  I haven't seen all his movies, but if you can, you should see some of them:

A Knight's Tale:  My absolute favorite after Brokeback, I love it.  It was made before Brokeback, when he was still a "teen idol".  But his acting, his presence, is just great.  Rufus Sewell, another one of my favorites (Zen) is in it also.

10 Things I Hate About You is a great "teen movie", you should really watch it if you get the chance.  He is dynamic.

Casanova:  I saw this after Brokeback.  He's amazing (I know I use that word a lot for him, but you have to see him)

Monster's Ball:  I did not like the movie.  I watched until his character was out of the script.  Not an easy movie to watch, but he is amazing.  I read that this is the role that got him the Brokeback part.

I never saw The Brothers Grimm, I'm Not There, Ned Kelly and some others.  But I really think you would like the ones I listed, Knight's Tale is my favorite, he doesn't hide his accent and I love that.
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Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2014, 08:44:51 pm
I have to post this from youtube, the dance sequence from Knight's Tale, David Bowie "Golden Years"..................he's just so good, you can't take your eyes off him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyrJANFJKec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyrJANFJKec)
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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 10:57:29 am
Stephan Lacant has no facebook, no twitter, can't find anything.

In real life: no, I don't know anyone who watched the movie but I'm considering giving the DVD to my ex husband (and his girlfriend). I don't know if straight guys would like it, so I'm curious to his opinion.
I watched freier fall by accident. I almost never watch German movies and I'm not specially looking for gay themed movies. I chose this one from netflix because of Max riemelts name and never thougt it would impress me like this.
I think in the Netherlands not many people watch German movies.

Heath Ledger: I just know him from BBM. But yes, he was a great talent.


Yeah, I can't find anything on Lacant either.  IMDb has a "Contact Info: View Agent" button, but it's only accessible if you have IMDbPro, which you have to pay for.

It would be interesting to hear some straight guys opinions on the movie.

yesterday is the first day since early March that I didn't watch all or part of the movie - so I'm watching it this morning  :) .  Don't want it to just fade away-
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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 04:05:23 pm
Any opinions on why Marc never said "I'm sorry" to Bettina?  I thought for sure he would when she broke down in the shower scene, it was the perfect time to tell her he was sorry he put her through all this, but he didn't say a word.
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Post by: mariska on May 20, 2014, 04:17:19 pm

A Knight's Tale:  My absolute favorite after Brokeback, I love it.  It was made before Brokeback, when he was still a "teen idol".  But his acting, his presence, is just great.  Rufus Sewell, another one of my favorites (Zen) is in it also.

10 Things I Hate About You is a great "teen movie", you should really watch it if you get the chance.  He is dynamic.

Casanova:  I saw this after Brokeback.  He's amazing (I know I use that word a lot for him, but you have to see him)

Monster's Ball:  I did not like the movie.  I watched until his character was out of the script.  Not an easy movie to watch, but he is amazing.  I read that this is the role that got him the Brokeback part.

I never saw The Brothers Grimm, I'm Not There, Ned Kelly and some others.  But I really think you would like the ones I listed, Knight's Tale is my favorite, he doesn't hide his accent and I love that.

Hi,
I watched the youtube video, niceeee. Wow, he's a good dancer. And I watched 10 things I hate about you several years ago, didn 't realize it was Heath (I didn't know him at that time). I found another one: the dark night. Did you see this one? Seems to be a very good movie, I'm planning to watch it.
And I certainly will watch the movies you mentioned.

Do you like Jake Gyllenhall too? The last one I saw with Jake in it was sex and other drugs with Anne Hathaway.
Who's your favorite American actor (except Heath). One of mine is definately Leonardo Di Caprio, great talent and great looks. And Tom Cruise.
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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 04:33:28 pm
You won't believe it's him in the Dark Knight, he completely loses himself in the role, as he does in all of them, I think. 

I do like Jake a lot, I think his last movie I saw was Brothers. he was good but it was nothing to write home about.  I also saw him Love & Other Drugs, I think he and Anne had great on-screen chemistry.  I'm not into action (Prince of Persia) End of Watch was too violent and shot with a hand-held camera - no, thanks.  Enemy is out now, I think, but I'm not interested.  Brokeback was his best acting, imo.

as for my favorite American actor, I don't know - i'll get back to you on that one  :)
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Post by: mariska on May 20, 2014, 04:35:49 pm

yesterday is the first day since early March that I didn't watch all or part of the movie - so I'm watching it this morning  :) .  Don't want it to just fade away-

That's funny, yesterday was for me the first day I didn't watch it at all too  :). And tonight (it's 22.20 here now) I watched it again.


What you asked about Marc not saying sorry: I think he WAS sorry. But maybe more like "sorry for all that you are going through because of me" than "sorry I did it".
And maybe he did say sorry (and is it one the many things they didn't show us in the movie).

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Post by: mariska on May 20, 2014, 04:53:16 pm
Did you see the video on youtube with Stephan Lacant, Hanno and Max? It's in German but look at Max at 2.25 <3<3<3

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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 05:06:31 pm
So cute! 
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Post by: mariska on May 20, 2014, 05:29:44 pm
So cute! 

Yesss, so cute. At this moment he's reallly my number one actor (have to admit because of his looks, especially his smile).

Some time ago you wrote something about him naked in Free Fall and why an welknown actor as him should do that.
I found this in an older interview:

Max told the interviewer he was kind of timid with women. The interviewer asked: But in alsmost every movie you had a nude scene. Don’t you have trouble with that?
Max: in the beginning I was very stressed because of all the other people on the set. I imagined they looked at me all the time. Everyone was dressed except me.
But now I’m getting more relaxed about it.


I know he was naked before in movies  (but never that naked as in freier fall). I didn't understand why. Not that I hate Max seeing naked but the movie and the actors didn't need this. Stephan Lacant said he wanted to make a movie with cultural value, not for commercial reasons. So why then advertising with "full frontal nudity"?


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 20, 2014, 05:34:24 pm
You won't believe it's him in the Dark Knight, he completely loses himself in the role, as he does in all of them, I think. 


Yes I read about it, that he was so good in the movie.
I saw Brothers too, I liked Jake in it.
What's your alltime favorite movie?


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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 06:24:50 pm
Yesss, so cute. At this moment he's reallly my number one actor (have to admit because of his looks, especially his smile).

Some time ago you wrote something about him naked in Free Fall and why an welknown actor as him should do that.
I found this in an older interview:

Max told the interviewer he was kind of timid with women. The interviewer asked: But in alsmost every movie you had a nude scene. Don’t you have trouble with that?
Max: in the beginning I was very stressed because of all the other people on the set. I imagined they looked at me all the time. Everyone was dressed except me.
But now I’m getting more relaxed about it.


Yes, he seems pretty relaxed about it these days!

Thanks for posting that, it's always interesting to hear what actors think about the movies they're in. 

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I know he was naked before in movies  (but never that naked as in freier fall). I didn't understand why. Not that I hate Max seeing naked but the movie and the actors didn't need this. Stephan Lacant said he wanted to make a movie with cultural value, not for commercial reasons. So why then advertising with "full frontal nudity"?




Since Freier Fall wasn't promoted over here at all (at least not that I saw), I didn't know anything about the amount of nudity until I saw it; I was surprised (in a good way  ;) )
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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 06:28:17 pm
Yes I read about it, that he was so good in the movie.
I saw Brothers too, I liked Jake in it.
What's your alltime favorite movie?



Brokeback is number 1, I think now it is tied with Free Fall.  

I like a lot of older movies, The Best Years of Our Lives (probably #2), The Godfather, All About Eve, The Graduate.

How about you, anybody out there, what's your #1?
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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 06:40:50 pm
That's funny, yesterday was for me the first day I didn't watch it at all too  :). And tonight (it's 22.20 here now) I watched it again.


What you asked about Marc not saying sorry: I think he WAS sorry. But maybe more like "sorry for all that you are going through because of me" than "sorry I did it".
And maybe he did say sorry (and is it one the many things they didn't show us in the movie).



I thought him saying he was sorry was something that we should have seen, I just wonder why they left it out.  As you said, he might not be sorry that it happened, because he was falling in love with Kay, but at least sorry to have caused Bettina so much hurt, sorry that the life she had with him was destroyed at his hand.  More along the lines of "I didn't mean to hurt you."  The whole thing is just too sad.  :(
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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 06:47:16 pm
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Post by: morrobay on May 20, 2014, 07:03:30 pm
I love this shot-

When Kay offers the key and Marc goes to take it, then Kay closes his hand - do you think that was ad libbed, or written in the script that way?  I thought it looked spontaneous, like Max just did it off the top of his head.  Either way, it works.


(http://37.media.tumblr.com/692d0386a67064b30dce19d3b798147e/tumblr_n561xsSgy01qm2rgoo1_1280.png)
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Post by: morrobay on May 21, 2014, 12:57:36 pm
An article/review that addresses some of the symbolism.  In regards to the movie, I agree with the statement "finding complexity in familiarity", but I think I draw the line at "evidence of deep intellectualization".

Also agree with the evaluation of Marc in the last paragraph, but this "Free Fall confronts the question about whether someone cheating on their hetero partner with a same-sex person is a betrayal or noble".  is a silly argument.

http://cheatedhearts.com.au/brisbane-queer-film-festival-free-fall-freier-fall-review/ (http://cheatedhearts.com.au/brisbane-queer-film-festival-free-fall-freier-fall-review/)

Free Fall tells a familiar story. Boy meets boy. Boy falls in love with boy. Boy also has girl, who is pregnant. Boy struggles with his sexuality in a hostile family/work environment.

But while the particulars of the film’s story, from director Stephen Lacant and screenwriter Karsten Dahlem, might unfold in an expected fashion, Lacant elevates the material with a confident, even-handed approach. The conventional approach would be to present the narrative as a melodrama; emphasising emotions and angry confrontations; Free Fall contains both strong emotions and quarrels, but he examines the material with his use of symbolism and evidence of deep intellectualisation, finding complexity in familiarity.

The boys in question are Marc (Hannon Koffler), a young police officer who’s just moved in next door to his parents with his pregnant girlfriend, Bettina (Katharina Schüttler); and Kay (Max Riemelt), a handsome, self-assured cadet who encounters Marc at a training camp. Marc’s training doesn’t seem to be going well; he struggles to keep up with the other cadets during jogging drills. Kay begins to join him on jogs, endeavouring to teach Marc to “breathe evenly.” The ability of Marc to control his natural breathing is applied as a clear metaphor for his natural sexuality, and it’s not the only symbol effectively leveraged by Lacant.

The two men bond over cigarettes – both the regular and the university type – and the intimacy of sharing a cigarette is repurposed as a symbol throughout the film; whenever Marc or Kay drags on a smoke, it’s clear who they’re thinking of. The colour blue is widely used throughout the film; while I’d need a second viewing to fully unpack its significance, it’s interesting how it seems to represent both Kay and Bettina; Kay’s apartment – and the key to his apartment – is blue, while Bettina is invariably outfitted in blue clothing. While the meanings of the colour can be oblique, it’s difficult to miss the import of a scene where Marc struggles to clean spilt blue paint from the carpet of his son’s nursery after attempting to shut Kay out of his life.

The colour red appears fleetingly throughout the film – it is the colour of Marc’s mother’s car and outfit when she stumbles upon him kissing Kay (her reaction is far from understanding) and of the lights in a club bathroom where Marc picks up a random guy. Red seems to represent Marc’s shame at his sexuality, influenced by an unforgiving society. It’s no accident that Marc and Kay work in the police force, a masculine environment defined by its rigidity and prejudice. Whatever comments about “tolerance” Marc’s squad leader (Oliver Bröcker) might utter, the police force is a synecdoche of a society that demands conformity and punishes difference.

Marc is a sympathetic but not particularly likable character; he’s fundamentally selfish. He’s torn between Bettina and Kay but can’t commit to choosing either; he cheats on his girlfriend with unconvincing lies but treats Kay equally poorly. Free Fall confronts the question about whether someone cheating on their hetero partner with a same-sex person is a betrayal or noble, a realisation of their true self. It’s neither. It’s both. It’s messy and complex and there are no neat answers. No happy endings.
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Post by: mariska on May 21, 2014, 05:06:35 pm

Marc is a sympathetic but not particularly likable character; he’s fundamentally selfish. He’s torn between Bettina and Kay but can’t commit to choosing either; he cheats on his girlfriend with unconvincing lies but treats Kay equally poorly. Free Fall confronts the question about whether someone cheating on their hetero partner with a same-sex person is a betrayal or noble, a realisation of their true self. It’s neither. It’s both. It’s messy and complex and there are no neat answers. No happy endings.
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I  agree with this, even the part " Free Fall confronts the question about whether someone cheating on their hetero partner with a same-sex person is a betrayal or noble".
I don't understand the word "noble" in this context (there must be another word), but I can't look at it as just betrayal.
It’s very difficult for me to explain how I feel this (even in my own language), but I think passion is the strongest human emotion and basic instinct. After Kay triggered Marc, there was no way back.
(I think that was the reason he was so angry when Kay showed up again, he didn’t want it, he wanted to go on with his life as it was, but at the moment he saw Kay again, he instinctively knew what was going to happen and no way to stop it, he felt ( although not consciously) intuitive that these feelings were part of his true self.
Of course he cheated on Bettina and lied to her. But that’s what happens in situations like this. He couldn’t resist Kay but he wanted to loose Bettina either.
And I’m sure: if Kay had not come back, Marc would have been happy either because denying (part of) yourself makes unhappy.
That’s why I can’t think in terms of guilty (Kay nor Marc), just human. Same about the “not saying sorry” thing. I’m sure he didn’t want to hurt Bettina, but during the shower scene he began to feel his affair with Kay changed something inside of him. Saying sorry to Bettina would be like: I’m guilty, I shouldn’t have done it. But his feelings for Kay were real and pure, part of him.
I don’t know if it makes any sense, it’s just how I feel it.

Did I mention to you I like Max a lot? ;D But every time I watch the movie I’m impressed and touched by Hanno’s acting. I think I’m going to visit the old guy who got the price for best German actor, steal that thing and bring it to Hanno.
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Post by: mariska on May 21, 2014, 05:31:40 pm
I love this shot-

When Kay offers the key and Marc goes to take it, then Kay closes his hand - do you think that was ad libbed, or written in the script that way?  I thought it looked spontaneous, like Max just did it off the top of his head.  Either way, it works.


Yes, it looks spontaneous and possibly it is. In the comments the actors told they experimented a lot. They did scenes over and over again. And were allowed to bring their own input.
About the bedscene they said: just a little part of what we experimented is in the movie (I can't help wondering what we missed)  ;). I guess they spent some time in the bed with just the person with the camara (crawling between them) and the vodka.
At the moment they turn on the side, Marc smiles at Kay. I had the feeling Hanno smiled at Max at that moment, like: let's go for it.
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Post by: morrobay on May 21, 2014, 05:44:40 pm
Yes, I wondered what that smile was about. 
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Post by: mariska on May 21, 2014, 05:46:57 pm
I thought him saying he was sorry was something that we should have seen, I just wonder why they left it out.  As you said, he might not be sorry that it happened, because he was falling in love with Kay, but at least sorry to have caused Bettina so much hurt, sorry that the life she had with him was destroyed at his hand.  More along the lines of "I didn't mean to hurt you."  The whole thing is just too sad.  :(

I know what you mean and indeed it is sad. But it's life.

Another thing I wondered about.
Everyone wanted Kay and Marc ending up together. Not only gay guys, the female viewers too. Isn't that strange? Bettina is the one with the baby. And everyone feels compassion for her, but nobody wants Marc to go back to her.

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Post by: morrobay on May 21, 2014, 05:56:43 pm
I think it's a hetero/gay movie phenomenon.  Same with Brokeback.  Alma & Lureen were vilified, especially by female viewers.  It's especially apparent in fanfic - total hatred of the women, even though they were cheated on and lied to, their lives basically ruined because of their husbands sexual preferences the men cheated.  If you're married and your spouse cheats, does it matter if the other party is the same sex?  Nobody wanted the women to get in the way of Ennis & Jack's happiness.  Who cares if the women and kids are left in the dust and end up w/nothing?  As long as the two handsome guys get what they want.    ETA: I understand it, but still..................
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Post by: mariska on May 21, 2014, 05:58:24 pm

Since Freier Fall wasn't promoted over here at all (at least not that I saw), I didn't know anything about the amount of nudity until I saw it; I was surprised (in a good way  ;) )

Wondering: how did you find free fall?
I mean, Germany is Netherlands'neighbour but even I saw it by coincidence.
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Post by: morrobay on May 21, 2014, 06:05:24 pm
I forget exactly how I heard about it, but I know I had it on my pre-order Netflix list last summer, long before it was released on DVD.  Maybe it was a Netflix recommendation, based on other movies I'd rented.
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Post by: morrobay on May 21, 2014, 06:13:48 pm
I  agree with this, even the part " Free Fall confronts the question about whether someone cheating on their hetero partner with a same-sex person is a betrayal or noble".
I don't understand the word "noble" in this context (there must be another word), but I can't look at it as just betrayal.
It’s very difficult for me to explain how I feel this (even in my own language), but I think passion is the strongest human emotion and basic instinct. After Kay triggered Marc, there was no way back.
(I think that was the reason he was so angry when Kay showed up again, he didn’t want it, he wanted to go on with his life as it was, but at the moment he saw Kay again, he instinctively knew what was going to happen and no way to stop it, he felt ( although not consciously) intuitive that these feelings were part of his true self.
Of course he cheated on Bettina and lied to her. But that’s what happens in situations like this. He couldn’t resist Kay but he wanted to loose Bettina either.
And I’m sure: if Kay had not come back, Marc would have been happy either because denying (part of) yourself makes unhappy.
That’s why I can’t think in terms of guilty (Kay nor Marc), just human. Same about the “not saying sorry” thing. I’m sure he didn’t want to hurt Bettina, but during the shower scene he began to feel his affair with Kay changed something inside of him. Saying sorry to Bettina would be like: I’m guilty, I shouldn’t have done it. But his feelings for Kay were real and pure, part of him.
I don’t know if it makes any sense, it’s just how I feel it.

Did I mention to you I like Max a lot? ;D But every time I watch the movie I’m impressed and touched by Hanno’s acting. I think I’m going to visit the old guy who got the price for best German actor, steal that thing and bring it to Hanno.


This is going to take me a while to respond, I copied your comments into a Word document and I'll have to get back to you.  But you brought up some great points.

And yes, you did mention that you like Max  :)   He's too adorable not to like, right?
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Post by: mariska on May 21, 2014, 06:31:49 pm
I think it's a hetero/gay movie phenomenon.  Same with Brokeback.  Alma & Lureen were vilified, especially by female viewers.  It's especially apparent in fanfic - total hatred of the women, even though they were cheated on and lied to, their lives basically ruined because of their husbands sexual preferences the men cheated.  If you're married and your spouse cheats, does it matter if the other party is the same sex?  Nobody wanted the women to get in the way of Ennis & Jack's happiness.  Who cares if the women and kids are left in the dust and end up w/nothing?  As long as the two handsome guys get what they want.  Sometimes I can understand it.  Sometimes it pisses me off. 

Wow. I thought you were very into Jack/Ennis and Marc/Kay.
I must say: in BBM I felt so sorry for especially Alma. Because I liked her a lot, she was so sweet and loving. But I have to admit: in BBM I wanted Jack and Ennis together. It was obvious to me that both guys were not happy and missed something in their marriage. Alma and Lureen will find happiness again and so will Bettina.
You can't just build a life on lies.
I gues....if Kay would have been another woman....it would have been different. More threatening. Like Bettina said: I can't even be jealous.
You know, my hubbie left me (and the kids) for someone else. And of course I was angry and affraid, but now I see there's life after divorce, it's not the end of the world and you can't be happy with someone loving somebody else.
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Post by: estoycomiendounburrito on May 22, 2014, 02:17:37 am
Hey guys, it's been really interesting reading your opinions on the movie, I read through this thread in a couple of days. I was really happy to find it because I first saw the movie back in like November, the DAY the first torrent with English subtitles came out. I have watched it so many times since, and have never found anywhere there was really in-depth conversation going on about it until now. There is so much I could reply to in these 49 pages but these were the things that stick in my mind now after finishing the thread.

Thanks so much to the person who translated the deleted scenes and the other person who linked to the video of all six of them (although in Russian, I was glad to see them anyway). The thing about the condom is weird. They obviously did not use a condom their first time. I thought, well maybe he was just like... rubbing up against him? But Kay's face was showing pain that was obviously meant to imply penetration was happening. And it made sense later to put that scene (with his mom finding the condom) in the context of his mom discovering them in the hospital, and her asking him how long it had been going on. She would have put two and two together, at that point (as well as the night shifts).

I don't think Kay and Britt had anything going on except a friendship that maybe she hoped would go somewhere, and it worked to hide Kay's sexuality from his colleagues. In the confrontation scene Kay said he wasn't sleeping with anyone else, and I don't really think he was lying. Besides that I think he is gay and doesn't have any problems with it, unlike Marc.

The people saying that Marc isn't gay or bisexual--I really don't get this and I never have, and people say that about almost every gay themed movie that has a closeted man in it, including Brokeback Mountain. I will never understand the people who say that Ennis isn't gay, when his incredible self-loathing surrounding his sexual orientation and how it totally stunts him, ruins his life as well as his family's lives, and renders him completely unwilling to do anything that will actually make him happy, was the entire POINT of the movie. It was not just a "love story" about a straight guy who fell in love with another guy. It's weird to me that people always want to fall back on that. It's like, even if their protagonist is having a gay affair, they still want him to be straight. Not talking to anyone posting here, by the way.

I like the review that somebody posted--about the color red signifying Marc's shame about his sexuality. Obviously, his shame doesn't approach Ennis's (we're in much more tolerant times, and Ennis's shame was as others have said, central to his character). But it is still there. We don't get enough of Marc's backstory to know if he's gay or bi, really. How many girlfriend's he's had or if Bettina was his only serious one, how their sex life was. We don't even know how old he is. One review I saw said he was 36, but I don't think that can be right. I thought mid/late 20s when I saw the movie, and lots of people only even start to question things at that age. Even today. Like others have said, he was relieved, he thought he had escaped Kay. It could be that he had been having gay feelings for a while, or Kay awakened them in him. I definitely think that, again as somebody else said, if Kay had never gotten transferred to his unit, he still would have eventually explored his gay feelings. Maybe 5, 10 years down the road. I don't think Kay pursued him SO aggressively for no reason--he knew that Marc had feelings for him.

One thing that I only saw get mentioned for the first time in the last couple pages is Marc's jealousy. I wonder how much of his being a total mess in the confrontation scene was due to his half pretend reason for being there, which was to accuse Kay of trying to out their relationship, and how much it had to do with him being mad that he thought Kay was sleeping with other men. Also it was just an excuse to see him again, as the scene follow the blue paint cleanup/'I'm suffocating' scenes which clearly implied that he was missing him. When he got to that accusation, I thought, oh, maybe that's what he's really mad about. I'm not sure. Notice his breakdown in that scene happened right after Kay said, "I'm not sleeping with anyone else." And it really shows the depth of his feelings, to me. Why would he be jealous about somebody who was just a 'one off.' I also liked the character development of how they showed he was immediately regretful after punching Kay, and then in that scene when he gets mad again, he turns around and upends the table instead of hitting Kay again.

Well this has been extremely long. And that's only a fraction of my thoughts about it. I'm just glad that there are people who are as interested in the movie as I am!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 22, 2014, 08:04:48 am
Wow. I thought you were very into Jack/Ennis and Marc/Kay.
I must say: in BBM I felt so sorry for especially Alma. Because I liked her a lot, she was so sweet and loving. But I have to admit: in BBM I wanted Jack and Ennis together. It was obvious to me that both guys were not happy and missed something in their marriage. Alma and Lureen will find happiness again and so will Bettina.
You can't just build a life on lies.
I gues....if Kay would have been another woman....it would have been different. More threatening. Like Bettina said: I can't even be jealous.
You know, my hubbie left me (and the kids) for someone else. And of course I was angry and affraid, but now I see there's life after divorce, it's not the end of the world and you can't be happy with someone loving somebody else.


I am definitely into both Jack & Ennis and Marc & Kay.  It's just that sometimes when I look at the collateral damage they cause, it's sad.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 22, 2014, 08:09:27 am
Hey guys, it's been really interesting reading your opinions on the movie, I read through this thread in a couple of days. I was really happy to find it because I first saw the movie back in like November, the DAY the first torrent with English subtitles came out. I have watched it so many times since, and have never found anywhere there was really in-depth conversation going on about it until now. There is so much I could reply to in these 49 pages but these were the things that stick in my mind now after finishing the thread.

Well this has been extremely long. And that's only a fraction of my thoughts about it. I'm just glad that there are people who are as interested in the movie as I am!

Hi - great to see you here, and glad you're getting in on the conversation.

You've brought up some excellent points, I look forward to a lot more discussions.

Mariska did the translations for us, it's been so helpful.  thanks again, Mariska.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 22, 2014, 02:08:43 pm
Hey guys, it's been really interesting reading your opinions on the movie, I read through this thread in a couple of days. I was really happy to find it because I first saw the movie back in like November, the DAY the first torrent with English subtitles came out. I have watched it so many times since, and have never found anywhere there was really in-depth conversation going on about it until now. There is so much I could reply to in these 49 pages but these were the things that stick in my mind now after finishing the thread.


Hi, welcome. Good that you found this forum and yes, interesting points you brought up.
Nice to hear that you liked the movie as much as we did (I watched it very often too).
It is really interesting to read several opinions and to think about it and sometimes it makes you look at things diffently.
And Nancy is the one who found the 6 deleted scenes  :).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 22, 2014, 02:26:09 pm
The thing about the condom is weird. They obviously did not use a condom their first time. I thought, well maybe he was just like... rubbing up against him? But Kay's face was showing pain that was obviously meant to imply penetration was happening. And it made sense later to put that scene (with his mom finding the condom) in the context of his mom discovering them in the hospital, and her asking him how long it had been going on. She would have put two and two together, at that point (as well as the night shifts).

D
So you think Kays face was showing pain during the car scene. Interesting.
In an earlier post I wrote this:

You know, after hearing the audio comments and reading a lot of reviews, it's clear to me that using a lot of non-verbal language in a movie can be tricky. Not everyone interpretates that same.
For example the scene in the rain (the car): I read 3 different interpretations about the look at Kay's face:
- kay shows little emotion
- kay has a smug smile on his face as if he thought: I've won.
- Kay closes his eyes full of lust

Well, which one do you think?
I should say: a combination of the last two.


Nancy answered that he was also looking kind of amused.

Now we can add one to the list: in pain.
Funny all those different interpretations.

By the way...in the audio comments I heard that they got a lot of negative reactions on the fact that they didn't use a comdom.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 22, 2014, 02:48:32 pm
I am definitely into both Jack & Ennis and Marc & Kay.  It's just that sometimes when I look at the collateral damage they cause, it's sad.

Very sad for all involved.

I just watched a part of "Die Deutscher Freund" with Max. It's not my kind of movie. And Max's hair! Awful. He looks so different with a nice short haircut.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 07:34:42 am

 I don't think Kay pursued him SO aggressively for no reason--he knew that Marc had feelings for him.


I agree with you, he knew (in any case in that scene in the forest).
I have been thinking: Kay's first move was the cigaret-kiss scene. What was it that made Kay do that? I'm sure there must be a little thing that Marc did.
We see them in the pool together, making fun. No sign of other feelings than friendship. Next scene they are in the college room en they look at each other. And then the cigaret-kiss. Was it the look between them in the college room?

Or is it just a feeling, intuitive knowing?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 23, 2014, 08:53:08 am
...
You can't just build a life on lies.
I gues....if Kay would have been another woman....it would have been different. More threatening. Like Bettina said: I can't even be jealous.
Her not being jealous is in her mind.  Jealously is non discriminating V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 09:31:39 am
Her not being jealous is in her mind.  Jealously is non discriminating V

Depends on how you look at it. Another woman is like: what does she have that I don't. If it concerns another man, that's obvious. You don't have to worry about "being not good enough as a woman". As a woman you can't compete with another man. I think that's what bettina meant.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 11:52:52 am

I just watched a part of "Die Deutscher Freund" with Max. It's not my kind of movie. And Max's hair! Awful. He looks so different with a nice short haircut.


The longer hair makes him look very young.

(http://www.abendblatt.de/img/kultur-live/crop110510564/6828721814-ci3x2l-w620/title.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 11:55:40 am
Yeah, no.

(http://www.rosariocine.com.ar/info/3571a.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 12:14:28 pm
Hi Mariska,
Have you seen the TV movie "Blood Money"?  I don't know if German TV is shown in the Netherlands.

I copied this from google translate, so hope is all correct.

After a key role as the mysterious fisherman in the mystery thriller "Thou hast promised" plays Riemelt another exceptional starring in the award-winning drama "Free Fall" (2013) he impressed as a gay cop who begins a relationship with a married colleague. Positive reviews also got inspired by real events teleplay "Blood Money" in which Riemelt embodies a hemophiliac who become infected in the 1980s by a contaminated blood products with HIV

ETA the German version

Nach einer Schlüsselrolle als geheimnisvoller Fischer in dem Mysterythriller "Du hast es versprochen" spielt Riemelt eine weitere außergewöhnliche Hauptrolle: In dem preisgekrönten Drama "Freier Fall" (2013) beeindruckt er als schwuler Polizist, der eine Beziehung mit einem verheirateten Kollegen beginnt. Positive Kritiken erhielt auch das von realen Ereignissen inspirierte Fernsehspiel "Blutgeld", in dem Riemelt einen Bluter verkörpert, der sich in den 1980er Jahren durch eine verseuchte Blutkonserve mit HIV infiziert
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 12:17:41 pm
I agree with you, he knew (in any case in that scene in the forest).
I have been thinking: Kay's first move was the cigaret-kiss scene. What was it that made Kay do that? I'm sure there must be a little thing that Marc did.
We see them in the pool together, making fun. No sign of other feelings than friendship. Next scene they are in the college room en they look at each other. And then the cigaret-kiss. Was it the look between them in the college room?

Or is it just a feeling, intuitive knowing?

Great question.  Vincent said most straight guys would probably have punched Kay for that kiss.  So what did he see in Marc that led him to think it was ok?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 23, 2014, 01:23:34 pm
Everyone wanted Kay and Marc ending up together. Not only gay guys, the female viewers too. Isn't that strange? Bettina is the one with the baby. And everyone feels compassion for her, but nobody wants Marc to go back to her.
We want Marc have a chance at following his heart and maybe just maybe find happiness in life.  We want the same for Britina and Marc's son, hence the compassion. She's left alone with the newborn and it seems unfair. Marc and Britina realizes they cannot have an intimate relationship anymore after the shower scene  V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 23, 2014, 01:38:12 pm
Depends on how you look at it. Another woman is like: what does she have that I don't. If it concerns another man, that's obvious. You don't have to worry about "being not good enough as a woman". As a woman you can't compete with another man. I think that's what bettina meant.

Get that physically but there more to it than that as we saw in the rejection of Marc's random pick up attempt failed.
Bettina had to realize this at some point it was not just physical as does Marc. He had fallen in love with another person who was male.  In that scene isn't Bretina trying to make this about her?  III cannot even be properly jealous.  If it is not physical, then her inference is incorrect....?  V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 05:02:10 pm
Great question.  Vincent said most straight guys would probably have punched Kay for that kiss.  So what did he see in Marc that led him to think it was ok?

Yes. And at that point (kiss-smoke moment) Kay couldn't be sure so he took the risk of being punched or Marc getting very mad. But something must have encouraged him to take that chance.
Do you think it was the "staring at each other" in the college room? Friends don't stare at each other like that. Friends should have smiled to each other or something like that.
Sometimes a short eye contact says more than words. You can't explain it but you feel it.

And Marc: when did he realize for the first time that something strange was going on?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 05:45:03 pm
We want Marc have a chance at following his heart and maybe just maybe find happiness in life.  We want the same for Britina and Marc's son, hence the compassion. She's left alone with the newborn and it seems unfair. Marc and Britina realizes they cannot have an intimate relationship anymore after the shower scene  V

Yes exactly. If you watch the movie from a realistic point of view. We can see it happen: Marc falling in love, his intense feelings for Kay, his relationship with Bettina changes more and more and eventually we know: it's over.
But most people don't watch from a realistic point of view but from their own point of view..
To be honest: I didn't want it to work for Marc and Bettina, I wanted it to work for Marc and Kay. And that would be understandable if I was a gay guy. But I'm not, I am a female with kids (and of course I felt compassion for Bettina).
But...if Kay would have been another woman...I think it would be different for me and probably I would  have wanted Marc being happy with his family again. And the female Kay out of his life. Bye reality.

So my conclusion: for me it makes a difference, same gender is less threatening. Women don't want "the other woman", not in their own live and not in a movie. But it may just be me, curious what other women think.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 06:01:38 pm
Hi Mariska,
Have you seen the TV movie "Blood Money"?  I don't know if German TV is shown in the Netherlands.

I copied this from google translate, so hope is all correct.

After a key role as the mysterious fisherman in the mystery thriller "Thou hast promised" plays Riemelt another exceptional starring in the award-winning drama "Free Fall" (2013) he impressed as a gay cop who begins a relationship with a married colleague. Positive reviews also got inspired by real events teleplay "Blood Money" in which Riemelt embodies a hemophiliac who become infected in the 1980s by a contaminated blood products with HIV

ETA the German version

Nach einer Schlüsselrolle als geheimnisvoller Fischer in dem Mysterythriller "Du hast es versprochen" spielt Riemelt eine weitere außergewöhnliche Hauptrolle: In dem preisgekrönten Drama "Freier Fall" (2013) beeindruckt er als schwuler Polizist, der eine Beziehung mit einem verheirateten Kollegen beginnt. Positive Kritiken erhielt auch das von realen Ereignissen inspirierte Fernsehspiel "Blutgeld", in dem Riemelt einen Bluter verkörpert, der sich in den 1980er Jahren durch eine verseuchte Blutkonserve mit HIV infiziert

Hi Nancy,
We can watch German TV in the Netherlands (not all channels) but I never watch German TV.
I haven't seen that movie yet, sounds very heavy. Maybe some day I will watch it.
Another one with Max I like to see very much is "Alleinflug, Elly Beinhorn". It's a TV movie and will be soon on German TV. So I hope I can watch (would be the first time I watch German TV), , otherwise I have to wait for the DVD.

Such a pity that Heiter bis Wolkig doesn't have English subtitles. I know you would love it.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 06:11:53 pm
Positive reviews also got inspired by real events teleplay "Blood Money" in which Riemelt embodies a hemophiliac who become infected in the 1980s by a contaminated blood products with HIV[/i]

ETA the German version

Positive Kritiken erhielt auch das von realen Ereignissen inspirierte Fernsehspiel "Blutgeld", in dem Riemelt einen Bluter verkörpert, der sich in den 1980er Jahren durch eine verseuchte Blutkonserve mit HIV infiziert

I don't get the "inspired" thing. They just say that Blood Money (based on true story) got positive reviews too.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 06:17:27 pm
Yeah, no.


No.

I saw this in the movie yesterday, Max as an older man. I wouldn't recognize him if I didn't know it was him.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 23, 2014, 06:21:39 pm
The longer hair makes him look very young.


I really don't like it  >:(.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 06:51:36 pm
Yes. And at that point (kiss-smoke moment) Kay couldn't be sure so he took the risk of being punched or Marc getting very mad. But something must have encouraged him to take that chance.
Do you think it was the "staring at each other" in the college room? Friends don't stare at each other like that. Friends should have smiled to each other or something like that.
Sometimes a short eye contact says more than words. You can't explain it but you feel it.

And Marc: when did he realize for the first time that something strange was going on?

Yes, it started here, maybe even before this, in the pool.  But here Marc can't look away from Kay.  Marc does a double-take, they stare at each other, then Kay looks away; but Marc looks at him 2 more times before he forces himself to look down at his notebook.


(http://24.media.tumblr.com/2a3a2a073931f7c87ce94add15dd64d0/tumblr_my8eddmurZ1qb8jj3o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 06:53:23 pm
Hi Nancy,
We can watch German TV in the Netherlands (not all channels) but I never watch German TV.
I haven't seen that movie yet, sounds very heavy. Maybe some day I will watch it.
Another one with Max I like to see very much is "Alleinflug, Elly Beinhorn". It's a TV movie and will be soon on German TV. So I hope I can watch (would be the first time I watch German TV), , otherwise I have to wait for the DVD.

Such a pity that Heiter bis Wolkig doesn't have English subtitles. I know you would love it.




yes, I would like to see it.  I know an engineer at work who is German, but I don't think he'd like to watch it with me and translate!  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 06:58:25 pm
I don't get the "inspired" thing. They just say that Blood Money (based on true story) got positive reviews too.



I think they just said "inspired" to mean, as you said, "based on a true story"
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 23, 2014, 07:52:37 pm
Do you think it was the "staring at each other" in the college room? Friends don't stare at each other like that. Friends should have smiled to each other or something like that.
Sometimes a short eye contact says more than words. You can't explain it but you feel it.
And Marc: when did he realize for the first time that something strange was going on?

Their eye contact is crucial.  It IS pivotal at various points in the film.  I'll have to watch it again to pay very close attention.   Normal male eye contact is purposely very limited.  More than about 1/2 second and straight guys get all weirded out - notice it sometime.. but being we think Marc was not gay or had prior experience.. not sure how he'd be getting all these OK signals. I think the smoking lip contact was the real start of Kay's pursuit.  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 23, 2014, 10:30:43 pm
There is SO much eye contact throughout the whole movie, starting in the classroom.  Then the silent but ridiculously well-acted scene where Kay grabs Marcs hand to light his cigarette - Marc can hardly drag his eyes away from Kay's face, you can see him forcing himself to look away.  To me, that scene is as erotic as, maybe more so than, their bed scene, as the sexual tension builds.  

Then at the bowling alley over the introductions, and when Kay stands over Marc as he's lifting weights, the karate scene - it just goes on and on, to the scene in the meeting room when it's learned that Kay has been picked up in a raid in a gay bar (it still seems odd that gay bars are still being raided in Germany in 2013).  And in line at the canteen before he goes to the hospital.  

I love to see it, and glad Lacant put so much non-verbal communication between them, and it's all so naturally played by Hanno & Max.

What scenes did I miss with those looks between them?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 03:41:16 am
It's not exactly a look but did you see this one: in the cantine just before the kay/gregor fight. Look at their heads.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 08:21:33 am
Oh, absolutely!  In a room full of people there is that brief connection, as if, for a few seconds, only the two of them exist there.  Lovely.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 08:42:37 am
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/de/a8/68dea8b38e4330365ec9f4e6bb36a6b1.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 09:32:05 am
D
So you think Kays face was showing pain during the car scene. Interesting.



There is definitely a momentary look of pain or discomfort, followed by pure ecstacy.

sex in the rain clip

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18vpt7_freier-fall-hanno-koffler-max-riemelt-2-1_na (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18vpt7_freier-fall-hanno-koffler-max-riemelt-2-1_na)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 09:58:28 am
Marc is at the other end of this look

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 10:54:08 am
I thought I had found all the reviews and interviews, but here's another one.  It's from last year when the film was released in Germany. 



http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/?tag=/befreiung (http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/?tag=/befreiung)

(http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/image.axd?picture=2013%2f2%2fFreierFallPerspektiveDeutschesKinoBerlinale201311.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 03:51:25 pm
Normal male eye contact is purposely very limited.  More than about 1/2 second and straight guys get all weirded out - notice it sometime.. but being we think Marc was not gay or had prior experience.. not sure how he'd be getting all these OK signals. I think the smoking lip contact was the real start of Kay's pursuit.  V.

Think so too. And the first sign of Marc was the eye contact in the classroom (definately more than 1/2 seconds) as far as I know. But maybe I missed something.
And I wonder if Marc realised at that moment something was different in his contact with Kay.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 04:20:24 pm
Get that physically but there more to it than that as we saw in the rejection of Marc's random pick up attempt failed.
Bettina had to realize this at some point it was not just physical as does Marc. He had fallen in love with another person who was male.  In that scene isn't Bretina trying to make this about her?  III cannot even be properly jealous.  If it is not physical, then here inference is incorrect....?  V

I'n not sure if I understand you correctly:
Do you mean: because Bettina realized that Marc's feelings for Kay were deeper than just physical, jealousy would not be appropriate?
In her case, I would be even more jealous.
And: before Bettina began to attack Marc in the shower, she said to him something like: so tell me what I must do, do you like it from behind? (while standing behind him and touching him). And right after that she said: I can't even be jealous.
It shows a frustration. She can't do it like Kay (the way Marc likes it) simply because she is a woman. She can't compete.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 04:22:49 pm
I think they just said "inspired" to mean, as you said, "based on a true story"

Ow, ok. Thanks.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 04:57:04 pm
Then the silent but ridiculously well-acted scene where Kay grabs Marcs hand to light his cigarette - Marc can hardly drag his eyes away from Kay's face, you can see him forcing himself to look away.  To me, that scene is as erotic as, maybe more so than, their bed scene, as the sexual tension builds.  

I love to see it, and glad Lacant put so much non-verbal communication between them, and it's all so naturally played by Hanno & Max.

What scenes did I miss with those looks between them?

I can't imagine you missed something  :D.

The hand grab scene: you are right, it's very erotic and I'm still wondering how two hetero actors can do this. Even for a male/female couple it would be difficult to create such a sexual tension. I think it's a combination of great acting and real life chemistry (that chemistry must be real, you can't fool viewers with that). And I know we spoke about this before, but I'm still not 100% convinced that there is really no attraction at all between Hanno/Max. I mean, in an interview they spoke about "a thin line between gay/straight". So wouldn't it be possible that a person is straight but with one toe or foot over that line just for a certain same gender person (or more persons)? Lousy explanation but I hope you understand what I mean.
Non-verbal language can be very strong, is it even possible that a certain atmosphere between two people can be acted when it's not real?


 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 04:58:28 pm
Get that physically but there more to it than that as we saw in the rejection of Marc's random pick up attempt failed.
Bettina had to realize this at some point it was not just physical as does Marc. He had fallen in love with another person who was male.  In that scene isn't Bretina trying to make this about her?  III cannot even be properly jealous.  If it is not physical, then here inference is incorrect....?  V

I'n not sure if I understand you correctly:
Do you mean: because Bettina realized that Marc's feelings for Kay were deeper than just physical, jealousy would not be appropriate?
In her case, I would be even more jealous.
And: before Bettina began to attack Marc in the shower, she said to him something like: so tell me what I must do, do you like it from behind? (while standing behind him and touching him). And right after that she said: I can't even be jealous.
It shows a frustration. She can't do it like Kay (the way Marc likes it) simply because she is a woman. She can't compete.


I don't think we can assume that Bettina had the time or the knowledge to realize that Marc was in love with Kay.  It's only a day or so after she finds out, right?  All she knows of gay lifestyle is that it's sex between men.  She would have to be pretty sophisticated in her thinking, and probably would have had to have known gay men (or watched gay films :) ), to take it as far as seeing it as a love affair, and not just sex.  In that way, she is a little like Alma: nothing in her background prepared her for having the father of her child admit that he was having sex with another man.  

I agree with Mariska; she gets in the shower and says "tell me how you like it", and I take that to mean that she sees the affair between Marc & Kay as strictly sex, and deeper feelings of love and tenderness between them don't enter her mind.   I can't see them ever talking about it, ever.  And it's even so new to Marc that he is still coming to terms with how deep his feelings are.

As for Bettina, in that scene, making it about her: in her mind it IS about her.  Is it more or less terrible if he had cheated on her with a woman?  Either way, he cheated, her life has been changed dramatically, and she has to come to terms with that.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 05:07:01 pm
There is definitely a momentary look of pain or discomfort, followed by pure ecstacy.

sex in the rain clip

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18vpt7_freier-fall-hanno-koffler-max-riemelt-2-1_na (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18vpt7_freier-fall-hanno-koffler-max-riemelt-2-1_na)

Jeeez, you made me watch it again  >:( ;D.
But indeed, he shows a short moment of pain. So: amusement - pain - ecstasy.
And jeeez, he looks handsome with wet hair.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 05:09:55 pm
LOL!  The things we have to put up with when discussing this movie!!  

In that clip, I think I noticed for the first time - watch it again and check me  :laugh:  - that Kay licks his fingers?  A la Ennis in Brokeback, when he spits in his hand?  Very quickly, right before he shows the pain.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 05:13:02 pm
Marc is at the other end of this look


Yeah, but didn't Marc look at Kay like: what is this all about?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 05:14:19 pm
Right, Marc didn't know what Brandt was talking about.  But still, there's always that silent connection between the two of them.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 05:34:43 pm
I can't imagine you missed something  :D.

One more, in the police van after Kay gets picked up in the gay bar.  I'm sure there are more.

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The hand grab scene: you are right, it's very erotic and I'm still wondering how two hetero actors can do this. Even for a male/female couple it would be difficult to create such a sexual tension. I think it's a combination of great acting and real life chemistry (that chemistry must be real, you can't fool viewers with that). And I know we spoke about this before, but I'm still not 100% convinced that there is really no attraction at all between Hanno/Max. I mean, in an interview they spoke about "a thin line between gay/straight". So wouldn't it be possible that a person is straight but with one toe or foot over that line just for a certain same gender person (or more persons)? Lousy explanation but I hope you understand what I mean.
Non-verbal language can be very strong, is it even possible that a certain atmosphere between two people can be acted when it's not real?


As for the thin line, and maybe an attraction between Hanno & Max, I have no opinion on that - could be, I suppose.  I'm sure you see more articles about them than I do.

When Brokeback came out, there were whole websites dedicated to discussing the sexual preferences of the two stars, especially Jake.  The paps (and fans) were ruthless and kept Jake in the news about it, always questioning it when Jake was out with a guy friend, and constantly saying he was "dating" friends he had known and hung out with for years.  Of course it could be true, but the speculation about Jake was sometimes cruel and unnecessary (not from an actual interview, as you posted above), and I had no opinion about him, either.  

I haven't seen any news about Hanno or Max, not even if they're dating women, let alone men.  I think the German press is either ahead of the curve and don't care, or has better things to do.

I guess if someone has a toe or foot over the line, they'd be bi, and that's a whole other thing to deal with.  Some people don't even think it's a valid sexual preference (not sure if that's the way to put it.)  Maybe we can get some input/opinions from Vincent or others, if they stop by.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 05:39:22 pm
LOL!  The things we have to put up with when discussing this movie!!  

In that clip, I think I noticed for the first time - watch it again and check me  :laugh:  - that Kay licks his fingers?  A la Ennis in Brokeback, when he spits in his hand?  Very quickly, right before he shows the pain.

Wow. You're right but I had to watch a few times to notice, it's so quickly.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 24, 2014, 05:47:34 pm
By the way, I saw a clip of Heiter bis wolkig with English subs, it looks really good.  And I read a review and found a 6 minute clip in German, which of course I couldn't understand, but it was fun watching Max make faces, and look adorable.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 06:10:30 pm
One more, in the police van after Kay gets picked up in the gay bar.  I'm sure there are more.

As for the thin line, and maybe an attraction between Hanno & Max, I have no opinion on that - could be, I suppose.  I'm sure you see more articles about them than I do.

When Brokeback came out, there were whole websites dedicated to discussing the sexual preferences of the two stars, especially Jake.  The paps (and fans) were ruthless and kept Jake in the news about it, always questioning it when Jake was out with a guy friend, and constantly saying he was "dating" friends he had known and hung out with for years.  Of course it could be true, but the speculation about Jake was sometimes cruel and unnecessary (not from an actual interview, as you posted above), and I had no opinion about him, either.  

I haven't seen any news about Hanno or Max, not even if they're dating women, let alone men.  I think the German press is either ahead of the curve and don't care, or has better things to do.

I guess if someone has a toe or foot over the line, they'd be bi, and that's a whole other thing to deal with.  Some people don't even think it's a valid sexual preference (not sure if that's the way to put it.)  Maybe we can get some input from Vincent or others, if they stop by.

I'll get back to you on this one.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 24, 2014, 06:21:18 pm
By the way, I saw a clip of Heiter bis wolkig with English subs, it looks really good.  And I read a review and found a 6 minute clip in German, which of course I couldn't understand, but it was fun watching Max make faces, and look adorable.

Yeahh, he is adorable in this movie. Can I sleep at your place tonight? My bed is broken.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 08:38:35 am
I was in another thread here, "Other interpretations of Brokeback Mountain", and started to watch latest video.  The opening chords of the soundtrack played, and I was immediately in tears.  I had forgotten the power of the movie, the music, the mood it invokes.  I could only watch for a minute, mostly because I can't stand to see anything other than the original.

I love Free Fall; the acting is extraordinary, the chemistry between the men is powerful, and the story is really great.  I still want to watch it and talk about it and find things that I missed the first 50 times.

But Brokeback changed something in me, and no other movie has ever done that.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuzUwuhH7Ns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuzUwuhH7Ns)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 09:45:29 am
I was in another thread here, "Other interpretations of Brokeback Mountain", and started to watch latest video.  The opening chords of the soundtrack played, and I was immediately in tears.  I had forgotten the power of the movie, the music, the mood it invokes.  I could only watch for a minute, mostly because I can't stand to see anything other than the original.

I love Free Fall; the acting is extraordinary, the chemistry between the men is powerful, and the story is really great.  I still want to watch it and talk about it and find things that I missed the first 50 times.

But Brokeback changed something in me, and no other movie has ever done that. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuzUwuhH7Ns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuzUwuhH7Ns)

I recognize your feeling about BBM, for me that's free fall.
When you watch a movie for the first time, even when you miss a lot of details, it gets to you or it doesn't.
I think there always is a reason why a movie hits you.
I'm still thinking what my reason is. For sure I know it is about the central subject of the movie, marc's struggle apart from the fact that Kay is a man (maybe because some feelings are recognizable to me). And there's more but I'm thinking about it.

Any idea why BBM changed something for you?


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 25, 2014, 09:54:47 am
I'n not sure if I understand you correctly:
Do you mean: because Bettina realized that Marc's feelings for Kay were deeper than just physical, jealousy would not be appropriate?
In her case, I would be even more jealous.
And: before Bettina began to attack Marc in the shower, she said to him something like: so tell me what I must do, do you like it from behind? (while standing behind him and touching him). And right after that she said: I can't even be jealous.
It shows a frustration. She can't do it like Kay (the way Marc likes it) simply because she is a woman. She can't compete.
No quite opposite.  When we are shown Marc and the stranger from the club not working out in the stall, we know then that Marc's connection to Kay exceeds physical pleasure.  If Marc just wanted gay sex, he surely could get that easily with those eyes and good looks of his - nor would not have rushed out on his pickup - what 3 mins and it''s done... ?    That's not what Marc wanted or needed.  

I agree - this is the overwhelming reason Bettina should be jealous but she does not know that yet.  If Marc needed just physical, then she and Marc maybe still had the emotional connection they needed for their partnership to possibly survive but Marc, and we are shown this, realizes that his feelings for Kay exceed those of Bettina, emotionally.
 
In the shower, Bettina's comments provide insight.  Marc's attraction to Kay is NOT just a physical pleasure of a penis vs. vagina... and it is that which drives her "like it from behind..and I cannot even be properly jealous"..  I do not think Bettina realizes it is emotional now with Marc and Kay - not just physical..  Did that make sense, I'm not sure I said it well..  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 25, 2014, 09:59:21 am
I can't imagine you missed something  :D.
The hand grab scene: you are right, it's very erotic and I'm still wondering how two hetero actors can do this.
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Non-verbal language can be very strong, is it even possible that a certain atmosphere between two people can be acted when it's not real?  

Yes.  I did a quad take on that scene, it was brilliant acting and directing and is one of my favorites.  Kay grabbing Marc's hand, pulling it up close to light his cig, while also drawing intimate eye contact between them both.. and the little glances afterwards..  How Marc's could not understand what Kay was saying by then is obvious to even the most broken gay-dar.  That scene would make any hetero-male uneasy and squirm just a bit and certainly initiate alarm bells. But I'm not a smoker so I have little direct reference - maybe it's common happenstance?  My gut says no.  V.   
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 25, 2014, 10:05:52 am
I don't think we can assume that Bettina had the time or the knowledge to realize that Marc was in love with Kay.  It's only a day or so after she finds out, right?  All she knows of gay lifestyle is that it's sex between men.  She would have to be pretty sophisticated in her thinking, and probably would have had to have known gay men (or watched gay films :) ), to take it as far as seeing it as a love affair, and not just sex.  In that way, she is a little like Alma: nothing in her background prepared her for having the father of her child admit that he was having sex with another man.  

I agree with Mariska; she gets in the shower and says "tell me how you like it", and I take that to mean that she sees the affair between Marc & Kay as strictly sex, and deeper feelings of love and tenderness between them don't enter her mind.   I can't see them ever talking about it, ever.  And it's even so new to Marc that he is still coming to terms with how deep his feelings are.

As for Bettina, in that scene, making it about her: in her mind it IS about her.  Is it more or less terrible if he had cheated on her with a woman?  Either way, he cheated, her life has been changed dramatically, and she has to come to terms with that.
Perfect.  She had not gotten there yet... but eventually does in the frank conversation she and Marc have later.  
In her mind, Marc cheating with Kay was exponential turmoil much more than if it had been another woman. At least she also would not have felt Marc had been lying to her all these years.  "What you are gay?" had to be flying thru her head.  But also remember that it was Bettina that invited Kay to the "newborn party" and at that point she knew for sure Kay was gay... so her acceptance of gay men was obviously OK until it was Marc...

That's something that most hetero people, usually due to religious dogma,  just cannot conceive, that sexuality is/can be fluid.  Most believe it's either / or, and for many that is true, they never even consider the alternative..  but there's always that range, depending on if you allow it to be..  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 10:16:01 am

I guess if someone has a toe or foot over the line, they'd be bi, and that's a whole other thing to deal with.  Some people don't even think it's a valid sexual preference (not sure if that's the way to put it.)  Maybe we can get some input/opinions from Vincent or others, if they stop by.

I looked for the interview but can't find it, will continue looking for it because I need it to explain what I mean. They said something about that thin line and other things related to this subject that I found very interesting.. Not about them, but in general.
I'm sure both gays are straight. I didn't mean bi. But again, I need the interview.
In more interviews they are clear about it: it isn't important what Marc is. They don't think in terms of straight, bi or gay. He just fell in love with a person.
My impression after reading a lot of interviews: both guys are straight but both don't exclude that is is possible for them to feel attracted to a person of the same gender without classifying it as gay or bi. Attraction is a broad concept with many degrees (lausy translation I guess).



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 25, 2014, 10:35:01 am
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In more interviews they are clear about it: it isn't important what Marc is. They don't think in terms of straight, bi or gay. He just fell in love with a person.  My impression after reading a lot of interviews: both guys are straight but both don't exclude that is is possible for them to feel attracted to a person of the same gender without classifying it as gay or bi. Attraction is a broad concept with many degrees (lausy translation I guess).
No.  Raw attraction, sexual desire,  sexual preferences, sexual identification, love, ...  are all separate.  

We cannot know 100%, only each person knows.  The connections between very close or bonded people - there are often only few lines or exceptions. It is quite possible as we know it happens in life or as we are eloquently shown "in the movies" both in FF and in BBM.   V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 10:44:33 am
Perfect.  She had not gotten there yet... but eventually does in the frank conversation she and Marc have later.  
That's something that most hetero people, usually due to religious dogma,  just cannot conceive, that sexuality is/can be fluid.  Most believe it's either / or, and for many that is true, they never even consider the alternative..  but there's always that range, depending on if you allow it to be..  V.

Do you mean the conversation they supposedly had, that we don't see?  

I think it would be a LONG time before Bettina would be able to talk about it.  I think she'll torture herself with thoughts of them having sex; of course, it will all be imagined, because she doesn't know how men have sex, what they do.  For a straight woman, it would just be so much to face, so much to learn and know, things she doesn't want to know about.  Besides the sex, which in itself would be pretty damn hard for her to accept, it may eventually dawn on her that Marc now feels emotionally for Kay what he used to feel for her. Totally unknown territory.  How can he feel for a man what he felt for me?

About either / or:  I find your statement interesting.  I see Ennis as a straight man who fell in love with Jack; and in fact, Heath (and maybe Jake) said that in interviews.  But that theory was shouted down in discussion forums as preposterous; perhaps it had to do with a gay agenda.  Proponents of that stance were taking Brokeback and running with it: finally a mainstream movie showing a gay relationship.  Ennis was gay.  Full stop.  As a straight woman, it might be that I'm romanticizing their relationship.  I see Ennis & Marc as straight guys who fell in love with one man.  As for their future, Ennis (IMO) never had another relationship with a man.  Marc's future is still open to it, but (again, the straight female romantic) I want him to be with Kay.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 10:50:02 am
Attraction is a broad concept with many degrees (lausy translation I guess).


I think that says it perfectly.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 10:59:49 am
Any idea why BBM changed something for you?


Love is love.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 12:14:38 pm
People with more know-how than I are continuing to post gifs and pics for us to enjoy.  Found this as a gif on tumblr, but the pic is just as good.

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7e/c1/85/7ec185920197e29530c84ffa4363ec91.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 12:15:09 pm
That face.  Pure sex.  And my new avatar.

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/69/6f/b2/696fb2c6a91bc7b1fa57153abcba4e09.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 25, 2014, 12:22:58 pm
Do you mean the conversation they supposedly had, that we don't see?  
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About either / or:  I find your statement interesting.  I see Ennis as a straight man who fell in love with Jack; and in fact, Heath (and maybe Jake) said that in interviews.  But that theory was shouted down in discussion forums as preposterous; perhaps it had to do with a gay agenda.  Proponents of that stance were taking Brokeback and running with it: finally a mainstream movie showing a gay relationship.  Ennis was gay.  Full stop.  As a straight woman, it might be that I'm romanticizing their relationship.  I see Ennis & Marc as straight guys who fell in love with one man.  As for their future, Ennis (IMO) never had another relationship with a man.  Marc's future is still open to it, but (again, the straight female romantic) I want him to be with Kay.

But we do.  Right after Marc flees the club, he drives home emotionally a wreck to tears, uttering "Sh1t, sh1T...", next we cut to Marc approaching Bettina from behind while she's sitting on the deck, no doubt playing this in her mind.  Their conversation says it all.  Marc, "I cannot go on like this."  Bettina, "Me neither."  long pause, "Me neither"  It is very subtle but if you watch the camera focus it shifts: First on Marc with the "cannot go on.." then to Bettina with "Me neither..." and we get a really good look her realization and despair knowing she's lost Marc.  Then the camera shifts back and  refocuses on Marc before cutting to him entering the academy training room again.    Hmm, where did we see this before?  The "I wish I knew how scene in BBM?"

That's the conversation, both spoken, unspoken and the lack of any intimate eye contact - says what I'm leaning on.

Re:  I agree with you and I remember those heated debates too well.  Once one accepts sexuality is or can be fluid, it is quite possible for a "straight" guy to fall in love with another man.   It's when we box ourselves into this either/or that the "must be's" surface.   In both cases, with Marc, we are clearly shown that another guy is no substitute for Kay and with Ennis we learn from what he said and did there were no other's besides Jack.    V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 02:16:37 pm
I'm sure both gays are straight.


Where's Sigmund when you need him?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 02:32:04 pm
wish I could make this bigger.  Marc in lust.

ETA: mission accomplished

(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a587/morrobay1990/bc21249b-b258-4fe0-bd4d-cde738d71d26_zps50f28283.jpg?t=1401045778)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 02:46:45 pm
I generally find gifs annoying to see in a forum like this, so there are 4 gorgeous ones at this link, that make up the kiss in the rain.



http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86747525000/marc-kay-freier-fall-free-fall-2013-this-is (http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86747525000/marc-kay-freier-fall-free-fall-2013-this-is)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 25, 2014, 03:25:55 pm
I generally find gifs annoying to see in a forum like this, so there are 4 gorgeous ones at this link, that make up the kiss in the rain.
http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86747525000/marc-kay-freier-fall-free-fall-2013-this-is (http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86747525000/marc-kay-freier-fall-free-fall-2013-this-is)

Nice!  Thanks for posting. 

Now if you continue down a page or two on that very interesting site, to find this --> http://vimeo.com/54064452
Talk about eye contact... but sadly, we know H50 is not going to venture there.. ever.  Cheers, V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 03:38:12 pm
Holy fuck!  Damn!  I had no idea!  Nobody ever told me to watch H50.  Are they shipping these guys in fanfic?  Silly question, I guess.  I think CBS is already venturing there. I heart you?  How long you two been married?

Now I have to get to hulu and watch the whole damn thing.  Thanks, Vincent!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 03:51:06 pm
But we do.  Right after Marc flees the club, he drives home emotionally a wreck to tears, uttering "Sh1t, sh1T...", next we cut to Marc approaching Bettina from behind while she's sitting on the deck, no doubt playing this in her mind.  Their conversation says it all.  Marc, "I cannot go on like this."  Bettina, "Me neither."  long pause, "Me neither"  It is very subtle but if you watch the camera focus it shifts: First on Marc with the "cannot go on.." then to Bettina with "Me neither..." and we get a really good look her realization and despair knowing she's lost Marc.  Then the camera shifts back and  refocuses on Marc before cutting to him entering the academy training room again.    Hmm, where did we see this before?  The "I wish I knew how scene in BBM?"

That's the conversation, both spoken, unspoken and the lack of any intimate eye contact - says what I'm leaning on.


Very well said.  We do see their lack of communication, the lack of connection, and all that that implies.  And their few words; yes, it's over.

How do you see their future relationship?  They have to see each other because of the baby, but do you think they can ever be friendly at all?  It would be up to Bettina, he should have no animosity towards her.


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Re:  I agree with you and I remember those heated debates too well.  Once one accepts sexuality is or can be fluid, it is quite possible for a "straight" guy to fall in love with another man.   It's when we box ourselves into this either/or that the "must be's" surface.   In both cases, with Marc, we are clearly shown that another guy is no substitute for Kay and with Ennis we learn from what he said and did there were no other's besides Jack.    V.

OMG, I'm so glad to hear you say this!  Yes, Ennis has no interest in being close to, or having sex with, or sharing anything with another man. 

For me, it's not as cut and dried with Marc.  Will he be open to meeting and forming a relationship w/another guy?  Or was Kay "it" for him?   
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 04:10:01 pm
But also remember that it was Bettina that invited Kay to the "newborn party" and at that point she knew for sure Kay was gay... so her acceptance of gay men was obviously OK until it was Marc...


Exactly.  Stephen Lacant said in an interview that while researching for the screenplay/movie he found that to be true of many people.  They think they are accepting, and say they have nothing against a gay lifestyle, until it affects them directly, like a family member or close friend.  Then it's a different story. 

It's even what Marc's father says to Kay: we don't have anything against homosexuals but stay away from our son.

She invited him to the party because she was sure she had nothing to fear from him, he was not a threat. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 04:24:54 pm

Very well said.  We do see their lack of communication, the lack of connection, and all that that implies.  And their few words; yes, it's over.

How do you see their future relationship?  They have to see each other because of the baby, but do you think they can ever be friendly at all?  It would be up to Bettina, he should have no animosity towards her.


OMG, I'm so glad to hear you say this!  Yes, Ennis has no interest in being close to, or having sex with, or sharing anything with another man. 

For me, it's not as cut and dried with Marc.  Will he be open to meeting and forming a relationship w/another guy?  Or was Kay "it" for him?   

Marc's relationship with Bettina an my humble opinion: of course Bettina needs time to get over Marc's cheating and lying, but whatever happened between them, they both are parent of their child so they have to find a way to communicate. Maybe one day they will be friends again, maybe not. Anyway, Bettina doesn't seem the type to hate Marc forever. He is the father of her child and the guy she loved and lived an laughed with. If Marc does his best to be a good father, I think they will be ok.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 04:53:33 pm
No quite opposite.  When we are shown Marc and the stranger from the club not working out in the stall, we know then that Marc's connection to Kay exceeds physical pleasure.  If Marc just wanted gay sex, he surely could get that easily with those eyes and good looks of his - nor would not have rushed out on his pickup - what 3 mins and it''s done... ?    That's not what Marc wanted or needed.  

I agree - this is the overwhelming reason Bettina should be jealous but she does not know that yet.  If Marc needed just physical, then she and Marc maybe still had the emotional connection they needed for their partnership to possibly survive but Marc, and we are shown this, realizes that his feelings for Kay exceed those of Bettina, emotionally.
 
In the shower, Bettina's comments provide insight.  Marc's attraction to Kay is NOT just a physical pleasure of a penis vs. vagina... and it is that which drives her "like it from behind..and I cannot even be properly jealous"..  I do not think Bettina realizes it is emotional now with Marc and Kay - not just physical..  Did that make sense, I'm not sure I said it well..  V.

I agree Bettina didn't realize it was more than physical.
But again I'm not sure if I understand correctly. I think I get your point of view: Because Bettina didn't realize it was more than sex with Kay, she didn't have a reason to be jealous.
In that case: if I were Bettina, I should be very jealous if my love slept with another woman. Even if it was only physical. Confused, angry because of the lying and cheating but most of all jealous.
If my love slept with another man, I still would be confused and angry, but not jealous.
That's why I think Bettina meant "I can't be jealous because Kay is a guy".
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 05:06:58 pm
Exactly.  Stephen Lacant said in an interview that while researching for the screenplay/movie he found that to be true of many people.  They think they are accepting, and say they have nothing against a gay lifestyle, until it affects them directly, like a family member or close friend.  Then it's a different story. 

It's even what Marc's father says to Kay: we don't have anything against homosexuals but stay away from our son.

She invited him to the party because she was sure she had nothing to fear from him, he was not a threat. 

I think Stephan Lacant is right.
But in Bettina's case it's different because Marc cheated her with Kay. So her feelings were not concerning gay people but the person Kay.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 05:18:21 pm
^^^  I don't understand.  

She invited Kay to the party because she knew he was gay and she was ok with it.  But when she found out he and Marc had been together, she (probably) hated him.  Right?   ???
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 25, 2014, 05:19:35 pm
Another set of gifs from the hospital -  MUST go further thru this site.. The owner has done a outstanding job of collecting many very interesting images..  from some of my favorite shows and films!

hospital seq --> http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86556165250

the "glances from the HAND scene", several intimate shots, after the sex scene, ...
--> http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86534417300/marc-kay-freier-fall-free-fall-2013

The ILY seq --> http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86460527975

H5O
 Oh the look --> http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/75523695098

 ::)
V

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 05:20:53 pm
the kiss in slow motion *sigh*
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 05:22:57 pm
this is the Free Fall tumblr tag I'm following.  Has lots of gifs and collages, and it goes back to November, I think.

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/freier-fall (http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/freier-fall)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 05:49:05 pm
I think that says it perfectly.

There must be a large, vague area between the classified sexual preferences.  
Like being straight but having a strong, special bond with someone from the same gender.
Hanno and Max make no secret of the fact that they have that bond. So not like they are really attracted to each other sexually, but more like: if I have to make out with another guy, I want it to be you. And it's not unthinkable that there are some feelings during the intimate love scenes.

Wow, I'm good at this. Talking a lot without getting my point straight.
But I'm a "feel" person. And in the last scene of Auslandseinsatz they look at each in a way that makes people think they are going to kiss. There's something special between them and I really love it.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 05:52:14 pm
^^^  I don't understand. 

She invited Kay to the party because she knew he was gay and she was ok with it.  But when she found out he and Marc had been together, she (probably) hated him.  Right?   ???

But wouldn't you hate him? She didn't hate him because he was gay but because of him she lost Marc.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 06:28:18 pm
That face.  Pure sex.  And my new avatar.

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/69/6f/b2/696fb2c6a91bc7b1fa57153abcba4e09.jpg)

I found this one via twitter. Wow, great.

I really don't know how to link photo's from tumblr or youtube links. Found a nice photo but I fail in putting it here  >:(.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 25, 2014, 06:49:19 pm
I thought I had found all the reviews and interviews, but here's another one.  It's from last year when the film was released in Germany. 



http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/?tag=/befreiung (http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/?tag=/befreiung)

(http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/image.axd?picture=2013%2f2%2fFreierFallPerspektiveDeutschesKinoBerlinale201311.jpg)

Thanks for the link, I didn't read this yet.

Im Publikumsgespräch am Samstagabend im CinemaxX kam natürlich auch die Frage nach der sexuellen Identität der beiden Schauspieler. Doch Hanno Koffler und Max Riemelt sind einfach zu gute Schauspieler, als dass sie sich da festlegen ließen. Für sie war das Ziel ihrer Arbeit eine überzeugende Liebesbeziehung zu spielen, was ihnen mehr als bravourös gelungen ist. Und vielleicht geben sie damit ja schon einen Wink auf die Verkörperung von Begehren.   

How I read this: the audience asked about their sexual identity. They gave no concrete answer, just that their goal was to play a convincing love couple.
Again the word "love". Not "gay".
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 06:59:40 pm
But wouldn't you hate him? She didn't hate him because he was gay but because of him she lost Marc.

I think we're saying the same thing in different ways  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 25, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
I found this one via twitter. Wow, great.

I really don't know how to link photo's from tumblr or youtube links. Found a nice photo but I fail in putting it here  >:(.



I sent you a PM on how to post pics.  If it doesn't make sense or my instructions aren't clear, let me know.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 09:50:49 am
didn't you just have a collage up here?  ???   So - it worked?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 09:54:31 am
Yeahh...just to try. I removed it because I don't know if you posted it before  :).

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 10:03:47 am
we can never have enough pics of these guys  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 10:44:41 am
we can never have enough pics of these guys  :)

I found the photo I meant but I think the file type is not right to put it here. If you google "max riemelt hanno koffler auslandseinsatz" pictures you will find it. It's the premerie of auslandseinsatz. I think you've seen them already. There's one max en hanno standing next to each other, Hanno a little bit leaning to max's side.
And another cute photo with their arms around each other.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 10:49:37 am
this one?

(http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/cache/120910-premiere-wir-wollten-aufs-mehr-auslandseinsatz/DSC_3557.jpg_700.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 10:53:54 am
I found the photo I meant but I think the file type is not right to put it here. If you google "max riemelt hanno koffler auslandseinsatz" pictures you will find it. It's the premerie of auslandseinsatz. I think you've seen them already. There's one max en hanno standing next to each other, Hanno a little bit leaning to max's side.
And another cute photo with their arms around each other.

these are .jpg files, they're ok to post here
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 10:58:10 am
not to be crude, but is Hanno walking around with a grenade in his pocket?   8)

(http://images.kino.de/flbilder/max12/auto12/auto37/12370490/b640x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 11:00:49 am
this one?


YES! that's the one. And there's another one with the leaning. How did you do that? I have to practice I guess.

As adress of this photo I see: http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/zp-core/images/blank.png

Is that right?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 11:02:02 am
not to be crude, but is Hanno walking around with a grenade in his pocket?   8)


 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 11:07:27 am
YES! that's the one. And there's another one with the leaning. How did you do that? I have to practice I guess.

As adress of this photo I see: http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/zp-core/images/blank.png

Is that right?

This is the URL address for the pic with Hanno's arm around Max.
http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/cache/120910-premiere-wir-wollten-aufs-mehr-auslandseinsatz/DSC_3557.jpg_700.jpg

Go back to the pic on google, copy that URL and paste between the left and right bracket, like you did with the collage.


the link you posted takes me to a blank page  :(
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 11:13:04 am
This is the URL address for the pic with Hanno's arm around Max.
http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/cache/120910-premiere-wir-wollten-aufs-mehr-auslandseinsatz/DSC_3557.jpg_700.jpg

Go back to the pic on google, copy that URL and paste between the left and right bracket, like you did with the collage.


the link you posted takes me to a blank page  :(

Yes but that's what is show's (my link, I know It's wrong).
I'm going to try again tonight.

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 11:56:55 am
maybe this is the other one?  I found it on the AEDT website, but when I copied the URL, it didn't work, so I got it off google.  The extension was .png, idk what that is.

I think it's so funny that they attend premiers of their movies in T-shirts!  When they come to Hollywood, they'll have to dress it up a bit.  :)

(http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/cache/120910-premiere-wir-wollten-aufs-mehr-auslandseinsatz/DSC_3581.jpg_700.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 01:18:18 pm
Yummie!

(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/max_riemelt_2010_09_21.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 01:21:46 pm
Ok, I think I get it  :)

(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/1969236_10152097811329064_2006181144_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 01:32:56 pm
maybe this is the other one?  I found it on the AEDT website, but when I copied the URL, it didn't work, so I got it off google.  The extension was .png, idk what that is.

I think it's so funny that they attend premiers of their movies in T-shirts!  When they come to Hollywood, they'll have to dress it up a bit.  :)


Yes, that's the one. Look at their arms <3.

And yes, it's funny they attend in T-shirts  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 01:38:43 pm
OK, the last one. But it's gorgeous.

(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/944304_10151820579549064_326970399_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 02:51:15 pm
Yummie!

(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/max_riemelt_2010_09_21.jpg)

Yes, very nice.  You've got it!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 02:51:55 pm
Yes, that's the one. Look at their arms <3.


You're so funny!  Their arms!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 02:53:01 pm
OK, the last one. But it's gorgeous.

(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/944304_10151820579549064_326970399_n.jpg)

Yes, gorgeous.  Post as many as you want, we're the only ones here anyway - and sometimes V., but I don't think he'll mind  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 02:58:53 pm
The photographer caught them at just the right time.

(http://www.sol.de/storage/pic/home/titelseite/aufmacherfotos/2316997_1_rohrbach.jpg?version=1384166733)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 03:02:12 pm
(http://www.sol.de/storage/pic/solneu/fotos/fotostory/saarland/2013/november/rohrbacher-preis/2316977_1_ku-Filmpreis0811130861D.jp_1723.jpg?version=1384165966)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 03:03:47 pm
(http://www.sol.de/storage/pic/solneu/fotos/fotostory/saarland/2013/november/rohrbacher-preis/2316985_1_ku-Filmpreis0811130610D.jp_1689.jpg?version=1384165995)

http://www.sol.de/titelseite/topnews/Neunkirchen-Geblaesehalle-Guenter-Rohrbach-Filmpreis-in-Neunkirchen-mit-vielen-Filmgroessen;art26205,4199626 (http://www.sol.de/titelseite/topnews/Neunkirchen-Geblaesehalle-Guenter-Rohrbach-Filmpreis-in-Neunkirchen-mit-vielen-Filmgroessen;art26205,4199626)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 03:33:57 pm
another good print interview.

I love a guy who can use "existential" correctly in a sentence (Hanno)  :)

http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/debatte/leser_fragen/schwule-polizisten-und-bruechige-selbstbilder-id1019021.html (http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/debatte/leser_fragen/schwule-polizisten-und-bruechige-selbstbilder-id1019021.html)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 04:25:29 pm
what is he smiling at?  I guess being naked in bed w/Max would do it  :)


(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/91/89/60/91896036bff04ae6f1b0accd5a85bb5e.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 05:14:26 pm
what is he smiling at?  I guess being naked in bed w/Max would do it  :)


Exactly! I would smile too. I would continue smiling for the rest of my life.   ;D

This was the moment I had the feeling it was no acting. Not a smile between Marc/Kay but between Hanno/Max. But it's just a feeling.

This scene must have been difficult for them. It's the most intimate scene of this movie. In an interview (the one on youtube) they said: love scenes are never easy, not even between man/woman.
So for 2 hetero guys, not used to close physical contact with another guy, it must be even more difficult.

In the audio comments they said about this scene: only the camara man was present to create as much privacy as possible for them. They said they experimented a lot during this scene and only few shots were in the movie.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 05:19:25 pm
You're so funny!  Their arms!

Well, I thought: we talked a lot about their faces. Let's discuss their arms. Just kidding.
I mean: is seams like Hanno leans a bit over to Max and their arms are in touch. I know I see what I want to see, but they are just so cute together.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 05:27:28 pm
The photographer caught them at just the right time.

(http://www.sol.de/storage/pic/home/titelseite/aufmacherfotos/2316997_1_rohrbach.jpg?version=1384166733)

Aaawww.....so cute.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 06:20:11 pm
another good print interview.

I love a guy who can use "existential" correctly in a sentence (Hanno)  :)

http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/debatte/leser_fragen/schwule-polizisten-und-bruechige-selbstbilder-id1019021.html (http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/debatte/leser_fragen/schwule-polizisten-und-bruechige-selbstbilder-id1019021.html)

Great interview.


Nadine Haufe : Do you have contacts and references to the gay - lesbian -bi- transgender scene?

Koffler : Well logically . But there is something else that attracted me to the film. While it is also about homophobia and coming out - but only secondarily . Above all, the film will tell at eye level, how two people fall in love . And like it a love triangle is formed. So there is a married guy who falls in love with a man and his wife, he actually loves even - he really wants to have it all.
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Exactly that is how I experienced the movie. 
But he is talking about coming out? Does this mean the scene with Gregor was meant as a confirmation he had something going on with Kay? Like we thought? It's the only coming out moment in the movie (except his confession to Bettina that he had an affair with Kay, but what else could he do, his mother knew and Bettina already felt there was something strange about Marc/Kay).

Of course, it is helpful if a love between men is still a little strange, with someone to rotate together with the chemistry absolutely true. Max and I wanted this idea to tell this story together with a very trusting director and we wanted to give it 150 percent.

I love the way they talk about this. How they used their friendship (in the youtube interview they called it brotherhood) to make this movie authentical.  Not once (in interviews) they give the impression that it was hard for them, just "a little strange".





 

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 06:44:42 pm
Some remarkable statements from reviews (with my comments).

You will not watch this movie more than once.

Well, definately some people do watch it more than once.

But for the straight audience he cemented the oldest false prejudices: The evil gay, who deceives the straight father and destroyed a whole family.

What a negative statement. As far as I know, everybody loves the evil Kay.

Who is looking for sexual  gay acts will be disappointed. Except for a few fake sex scenes and a few naked men in the shower he will get nothing to see.

I would suggest to the writer to watch a porn movie. Not a serious movie with serious actors.

I hated this ugly, depressing movie. Even Max Riemelt (Kay), one of the most beautiful men in the world, looks bad here - and what he would ever see in Hanno Koffler (Marc), one of the ugliest, is beyond imagining. There is no "chemistry" between them, by the way, only dark, slogging depression, dishonesty and cowardice - in Marc, who, unfortunately, is the star of this movie, and the only character who is given even the shallowest bit of depth.

This person must be very depressive. Max looking bad and Hanno ugly? No chemistry? Remarkable.

In conclusion, I would recommend this film to anyone, "straight" or gay, black or white, tall or short, skinny or full figuered. It just doesn't matter. This is a simple, yet intense and mesmerizing , love story for EVERYONE!

Now, that sounds better!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 26, 2014, 07:04:23 pm
(http://de.web.img2.acsta.net/r_640_600/b_1_d6d6d6/medias/nmedia/18/89/60/02/20154115.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 07:19:52 pm
Exactly! I would smile too. I would continue smiling for the rest of my life.   ;D

 ;D

Quote
This was the moment I had the feeling it was no acting. Not a smile between Marc/Kay but between Hanno/Max. But it's just a feeling.

After seeing it so many times, yes, I thought so, too.  It looked like something was said or done between the two friends, not Marc & Kay.  At a romantic time like that, it's not really a time you would smile, so maybe one of them said something - who knows?  But it makes it even more intimate, more loving.

Quote

This scene must have been difficult for them. It's the most intimate scene of this movie. In an interview (the one on youtube) they said: love scenes are never easy, not even between man/woman.
So for 2 hetero guys, not used to close physical contact with another guy, it must be even more difficult.  

In the audio comments they said about this scene: only the camara man was present to create as much privacy as possible for them. They said they experimented a lot during this scene and only few shots were in the movie.



I'd like to have a few words with the cameraman  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 07:21:23 pm
Well, I thought: we talked a lot about their faces. Let's discuss their arms. Just kidding.
I mean: is seams like Hanno leans a bit over to Max and their arms are in touch. I know I see what I want to see, but they are just so cute together.

Hey, we can talk about every part of them.  And it is sweet that he's leaning in to touch him.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 07:26:17 pm
Some remarkable statements from reviews (with my comments).

You will not watch this movie more than once.

Well, definately some people do watch it more than once.

But for the straight audience he cemented the oldest false prejudices: The evil gay, who deceives the straight father and destroyed a whole family.

What a negative statement. As far as I know, everybody loves the evil Kay.

Who is looking for sexual  gay acts will be disappointed. Except for a few fake sex scenes and a few naked men in the shower he will get nothing to see.

I would suggest to the writer to watch a porn movie. Not a serious movie with serious actors.

I hated this ugly, depressing movie. Even Max Riemelt (Kay), one of the most beautiful men in the world, looks bad here - and what he would ever see in Hanno Koffler (Marc), one of the ugliest, is beyond imagining. There is no "chemistry" between them, by the way, only dark, slogging depression, dishonesty and cowardice - in Marc, who, unfortunately, is the star of this movie, and the only character who is given even the shallowest bit of depth.

This person must be very depressive. Max looking bad and Hanno ugly? No chemistry? Remarkable.

In conclusion, I would recommend this film to anyone, "straight" or gay, black or white, tall or short, skinny or full figuered. It just doesn't matter. This is a simple, yet intense and mesmerizing , love story for EVERYONE!

Now, that sounds better!

Thankfully, almost all the comments from viewers that I saw were positive.  "Evil" Kay, "no chemistry" (?!?!?), "ugly" - they did not see the same movie I saw.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 26, 2014, 09:10:38 pm
color enhanced

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/0b9fff3fa617c806d7efca6ba9198e9e/tumblr_n65gtdJylW1tczkl5o1_r1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 27, 2014, 10:08:31 am
good video

Marc/Kay - Can't Pretend [ Free Fall ]

http://vimeo.com/87230239 (http://vimeo.com/87230239)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 27, 2014, 10:13:21 am
Wait, what?

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTv6i9NSFnf_ef3pX4N301WzvOXRCNY153lyC4OsVXxr-W4J2bIaA)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 27, 2014, 10:35:55 am
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/dd/68/ef/dd68ef5480d9b081afa390285d0addad.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 27, 2014, 10:38:05 am
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/33/2c/24/332c24311f201544c963015f317e9862.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Front-Ranger on May 27, 2014, 12:06:49 pm
In conclusion, I would recommend this film to anyone, "straight" or gay, black or white, tall or short, skinny or full figuered. It just doesn't matter. This is a simple, yet intense and mesmerizing , love story for EVERYONE!

Now, that sounds better!

I'm not going to miss this one...you've persuaded me!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 27, 2014, 12:40:47 pm
I'm not going to miss this one...you've persuaded me!

Well, these are not my words but a quote from someone elses review.
But i agree with the writer that this movie is worthwhile watching for everyone, unless you like lots of conversation in a movie.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 27, 2014, 12:42:36 pm
And it is sweet that he's leaning in to touch him.

I don't know if he is. Might be my wishful thinking again  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 27, 2014, 12:45:37 pm
I think he really wanted to be closer to Max   :)

I'm finding new pictures everyday, I'm so glad people out there are still posting about this movie.  I don't know how to extract screen caps from the video, but somebody does, so that's good for us.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 27, 2014, 01:12:52 pm
Thankfully, almost all the comments from viewers that I saw were positive.  "Evil" Kay, "no chemistry" (?!?!?), "ugly" - they did not see the same movie I saw.

Yes, most are positive. And we are certainly not the only ones who are a little obsessed.

The reviews: I did my best to find the really bad ones.
Freier Fall is not an average movie.
Criticism you sometimes encounter is lack of depth, little emotion etc.
People who like a lot of dialogues may be less sensitive (or not sensitive at all) to nonverbal language, atmosphere and tension between the actors without the spoken word.
Others don't like certain clichés, the open end or find that gay relationships are portrayed badly.

I love this film so much because of the acting and the chemistry between the actors, which is crucial in a movie like this.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 27, 2014, 02:00:20 pm
This review was just posted on May 26.  It's in English and there are some quotes from Hanno that I hadn't seen before.

And this from Lacant about casting - I'm glad they kept looking, I can't imagine this movie without Max.

Lacant echoes these thoughts, acknowledging that it indeed “took a long time to find the right actors,” but once they were found, he couldn’t have been more pleased.

He said that Marc, as the story’s central character, was the one they initially focused on.

“We found Hanno first, and afterwards we tried him out with a lot of different Kays, and once Max Riemelt [known for 2004’s Napola: Before the Fall"> came in, the casting was just blowing our minds — already there was such an energy between these two!” Lacant said. “In the end, we knew they had to play these parts!”



http://www.campkc.com/campkc-content.php?Page_ID=2220 (http://www.campkc.com/campkc-content.php?Page_ID=2220)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 28, 2014, 10:24:58 am
The radio interview from last year.

Freier Fall - Max Riemelt, Hanno Koffler und Stephan Lacant im Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0v3V99Sn-E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0v3V99Sn-E)

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d2/68/fb/d268fbe183d5b423ec95e90e442a68d3.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 28, 2014, 11:17:18 am
The radio interview from last year.

Freier Fall - Max Riemelt, Hanno Koffler und Stephan Lacant im Interview


No english subs, but who cares what they are talking about. That smile at 2.25 is so so so cute.

Nancy: I guess you want to know what they are talking about, but almost everyting you know from interviews.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 28, 2014, 11:20:27 am

And this from Lacant about casting - I'm glad they kept looking, I can't imagine this movie without Max.


Thanks for posting, nice interview.
And no: no free fall without Max.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 28, 2014, 11:33:08 am
No english subs, but who cares what they are talking about. That smile at 2.25 is so so so cute.

Nancy: I guess you want to know what they are talking about, but almost everyting you know from interviews.

Right, I think I have everything memorized from interviews now!  Nothing new to translate.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 28, 2014, 12:05:49 pm
Right, I think I have everything memorized from interviews now!  Nothing new to translate.

I sent you a PM  :). If you want to know anything more, ask me.
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Post by: morrobay on May 28, 2014, 12:31:24 pm
 :-*
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 28, 2014, 02:43:39 pm
this is a gif but it's just his eyes, so not so annoying.  and besides, it's Max  :)


(https://24.media.tumblr.com/806bdd781990707a3cdd4d962de18b51/tumblr_n05ax7EDCo1qgxqv0o7_r1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 28, 2014, 05:38:46 pm
I found 2 trailers for Heiter bis wolkig with English subs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QgiAp0LUjY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QgiAp0LUjY)
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Post by: morrobay on May 28, 2014, 05:40:38 pm
It looks very good, and really shows off Max's range as an actor, he can play drama and comedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGr8ANgKS00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGr8ANgKS00)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 28, 2014, 06:59:27 pm
It looks very good, and really shows off Max's range as an actor, he can play drama and comedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGr8ANgKS00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGr8ANgKS00)

Great you found this with subs.
This movie is a combination of comedy/drama, I really loved it a lot and Max and Jessica Schwarz are great in it.

Unbelievable that this is the same actor as in FF.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 28, 2014, 07:22:52 pm
(http://www.gosee.de/images/content2/intelmann-grazia06.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 28, 2014, 07:33:52 pm
Heiter bis wolkig interview max/Jessica. It's in German but it's always nice to look at Jessica   8)


http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/tvtotal/videos/player/?contentId=133998
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 29, 2014, 09:05:19 am
Someone else about "I can't even be jealous".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/thread/230333475
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 29, 2014, 01:12:27 pm
Heiter bis wolkig interview max/Jessica. It's in German but it's always nice to look at Jessica   8)



Yeah, right - I watched Jessica the whole time  ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 29, 2014, 01:14:08 pm
Someone else about "I can't even be jealous".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/thread/230333475

I think this matches your interpretation a few pages back, I agree   :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Rere on May 29, 2014, 01:35:10 pm
Hello, guys, I just wanna thank you all for being so awesome. You changed my mind and opened my eyes at some scenes. I finished the movie and I wanted to know all about it, to read others opinions and so. I've lost count of time when I started to read your posts, I realize now that it has been hours.
I told my friend(guy) to watch it and he seemed really pleased with the trailer. He also saw Brokeback mountain(like 10 times), Shelter and other stuff, he's straight, but he really likes them. I'll let you know what he taught about Free fall. (I'm saying this because someone said it would be nice to know a straight guy opinion)
Now about the movie, I think it's obvious I'm obsessed with it, ha ha.
The first time I watched it, I couldn't really concentrate, I mean...THE HOTNESS. All I could think about was the two of them making out and the two of them having sex and the two of them...The second time I began to understand what was really happening with Marc, with Kay, with Bettina. How symbolic some scenes were and how many reactions I didn't notice.
I'm sorry for my bad English and if I wasn't supposed to post here.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 29, 2014, 01:44:12 pm
Hi Rere,
Welcome to our small obsession that is Freier Fall!  Glad you found the forum, and that you like the conversations here.

I think most people, like you, find that the initial viewing is focused on the relationship; but the more times you see the movie, the more layers you can peel back and see what's really going on, and the conflict Marc is fighting within himself. 

Mariska and I love to talk about it, so ask questions or give your opinions, it's all good here.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 29, 2014, 02:59:02 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ee/51/92/ee5192977587428ff77abbb21ca71a3d.jpg)
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Post by: mariska on May 29, 2014, 03:02:38 pm
Hi Rere,
Very welcome, good you found this forum. Please feel free to give your opinions. Nancy and I discussed so much, we could use a "fresh" point of view.
It's interesting to hear someone elses interpretation of the scenes and we dont have to agree all the time.
Don't excuse your English (to me it sounds perfect, but I'm Dutch and my English isn't perfect at all).

Nice that your boyfriend likes this movie and other "gay" movies too. I guess a lot of straight guys would hate it, but I'm not sure. A lot of the reviews and reactions to the movie I read were written by women or gay guys.

I missed the first time a watched free fall a lot of details and symbolics too and after watching a few times and discussing here I changed my opinion about some issues.




 

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 29, 2014, 03:04:49 pm
Yeah, right - I watched Jessica the whole time  ::)

I knew you would like her  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 29, 2014, 03:08:57 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ee/51/92/ee5192977587428ff77abbb21ca71a3d.jpg)

I loved this scene. The only scene they were having fun together.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 29, 2014, 07:13:11 pm
^^^^  for you, I know you like that scene, :)


12/6/13

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/332dad86d8a873f443e93ed599954061/tumblr_mxej3lcugT1qgwrybo2_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 29, 2014, 07:27:28 pm
^^^^  for you, I know you like that scene, :)


12/6/13


Thanks  :).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 29, 2014, 09:02:58 pm
I loved this scene. The only scene they were having fun together.

Yes, this is a happy scene.  Marc is actually joking around  with Kay, kicking him in the ass as I recall.. playfully of course. V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Rere on May 29, 2014, 09:47:15 pm
It was hard for me the first time I watched it, because I had to pay attention to them and to the subtitles(English) and then process them in my head(Romanian).
I don't think somebody mentioned the scene where Bettina paints the wall and Marc is like "I want you right here, right now" but from behind, because that way I can think of Kay and the way he tries to get into her pants, really reminds me of the forrest scene. Also, I keep wondering if he's like that because the drug effect hasn't worn off.
Oh, in the scene with the key, Kay gives Marc a look...damn, love. At least it looks like that to me. When he buttons his shirt, he scans him with such loving eyes.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 06:53:17 am

I don't think somebody mentioned the scene where Bettina paints the wall and Marc is like "I want you right here, right now" but from behind, because that way I can think of Kay and the way he tries to get into her pants, really reminds me of the forrest scene. Also, I keep wondering if he's like that because the drug effect hasn't worn off.


I didn't know what to think of this scene.
I watched the movie with the comments from director and actors. They didn't explain a lot (because they want everyone to give own interpretation) but Hanno sort of explained this scene He called it an important moment in Marc's development. He said something like: He (Marc) wants to try out with Bettina what he experiences with Kay to see if there is any feeling left.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 30, 2014, 07:40:58 am
It was hard for me the first time I watched it, because I had to pay attention to them and to the subtitles(English) and then process them in my head(Romanian).
I don't think somebody mentioned the scene where Bettina paints the wall and Marc is like "I want you right here, right now" but from behind, because that way I can think of Kay and the way he tries to get into her pants, really reminds me of the forrest scene. Also, I keep wondering if he's like that because the drug effect hasn't worn off.

I agree with this: the drug probably hasn't worn off totally, so his physical/sexual pleasure is still heightened.  He wants to try to recreate the feeling of sex with Kay, so comes at Bettina from behind, doesn't try to turn her around to face him.


Quote
Oh, in the scene with the key, Kay gives Marc a look...damn, love. At least it looks like that to me. When he buttons his shirt, he scans him with such loving eyes.

Oh yeah, that's love, all right.  That scene is when I think it went from sex/conquest to love for Kay.  That look!  He has fallen.

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/morrobay1990/21177162/129239/129239_original.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 30, 2014, 04:06:44 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/90/f8/55/90f855ee51860e051b0be36b0992f6d2.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 04:23:41 pm
Movie 2013: auf das leben.
Sounds like a good movie, hope it will be in cinema (and DVD) soon.


(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10338801_777812508904755_7886958782843496672_n.jpg)
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Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 04:25:32 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10153925_10152164838074064_6916826666514835611_n.png)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 04:33:40 pm

"Auf das leben".

(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/1013364_709761609043179_415298473_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 05:22:28 pm
Yes, this is a happy scene.  Marc is actually joking around  with Kay, kicking him in the ass as I recall.. playfully of course. V

Yes. I like this scene so much because Marc seems so happy and relaxed. As if all the trouble around them were not there at that moment, just the two of them laughing together.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 05:26:40 pm

Oh yeah, that's love, all right.  That scene is when I think it went from sex/conquest to love for Kay.  That look!  He has fallen.


Me too  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 30, 2014, 05:33:03 pm
Movie 2013: auf das leben.
Sounds like a good movie, hope it will be in cinema (and DVD) soon.


(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10338801_777812508904755_7886958782843496672_n.jpg)

Nice!  


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Post by: morrobay on May 30, 2014, 05:34:28 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10153925_10152164838074064_6916826666514835611_n.png)

Adorable - how do you say that in German?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 05:39:38 pm
It was hard for me the first time I watched it, because I had to pay attention to them and to the subtitles(English) and then process them in my head(Romanian).


I know what you mean.
I''m used to subs and if they are in my own language I don't even notice I'm reading while watching, but English subs I have to process. I can read it but it's a lot slower.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 05:45:10 pm
Adorable - how do you say that in German?

Google translate says: bezaubernd, but it's not the right word I guess.

His look reminds me of the look at the balcony picture you posted.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 30, 2014, 05:56:47 pm
there's a trailer at this site with English subs, it looks very good

https://www.globalscreen.de/cinema.upcoming/content/show/369336 (https://www.globalscreen.de/cinema.upcoming/content/show/369336)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 06:49:29 pm
there's a trailer at this site with English subs, it looks very good

https://www.globalscreen.de/cinema.upcoming/content/show/369336 (https://www.globalscreen.de/cinema.upcoming/content/show/369336)

Wow thanks  :-*.
I looked for a trailer on youtube but couldn't find it. I thought there is no trailer yet.
You really find everyting.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 30, 2014, 07:15:04 pm
Oke one more.

(http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/g/060214-der-rote-kakadu/der-rote-kakadu-0024.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 08:50:32 am
Hi Mariska,
have you seen this TV show with Max?



http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/angesicht-verbrechens-serientipp-video-60208.html (http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/angesicht-verbrechens-serientipp-video-60208.html)

(http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/big/a/angesicht-des-verbrechens-serientipp-60208_big.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 09:11:22 am
Again, clearly too much time on my hands.  I googled Max's name and got a TV listing for today, Wir sind die Nacht, the vampire movie he did.

Also The Stepford Wives, You've Got Mail, 500 Days of Summer (I'd like to see that again!) and Breakfast At Tiffany's, and a couple other US movies.

Better lineup than I have to watch today.  Gael Monfils and Rafa are both playing at the French Open, and nobody is even covering it on TV here >:(  so good thing for Roland Garros Radio, at least I can listen to it  :)
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Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 09:28:44 am
Hmmmmm - Ronald Zehrfeld isn't bad to look at, either  ;)


(http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/polizisten-38857235-qf-36195878/2,w=583,c=0.bild.jpg)


Im Angesicht des Verbrechens“

Bilder aus der Serie

Die LKA Beamten (Carmen Birk, Max Riemelt, Ronald Zehrfeld und Klara Manzel (v.l.)) ermitteln gegen die russische Mafia
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 09:33:37 am
(http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/gruppenbild-38857239-qf-36195820/2,w=583,c=0.bild.jpg)

Teil des Casts: Sylvia (Katharina Derr), Onkel Sascha (Ryszard Ronczewski), Komparsin, Marek Gorsky (Max Riemelt), Mutter Gorsky (Aviva Joel), Stella (Marie Bäumer) und Vater Gorsky (Küf Kaufmann)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 09:36:14 am
A few more pics at this site, some are NSFW (German TV seems to be pretty open to naked ladies ), but none of Max  :(

http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/kino/bild-movies/teuerste-deutsche-serie-im-angesicht-des-verbrechens-startet-36196056.bild.html# (http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/kino/bild-movies/teuerste-deutsche-serie-im-angesicht-des-verbrechens-startet-36196056.bild.html#)

(http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/gorsky-38857232-qf-36195974/2,w=583,c=0.bild.jpg)

Gorsky (Max Riemelt) wagt sich zu tief in dem Sumpf der russischen Mafia
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 31, 2014, 10:01:51 am
Hi Mariska,
have you seen this TV show with Max?


No, but as far as I know it's a good and popular show in Germany.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 31, 2014, 10:11:23 am
Again, clearly too much time on my hands.  I googled Max's name and got a TV listing for today, Wir sind die Nacht, the vampire movie he did.




[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z11DiiCsY_Q[/youtube]
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 10:24:10 am
That's funny!  And that one second the camera caught him, @ 0:39, his face pure sex.

He really can do anything.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 31, 2014, 10:34:28 am
That's funny!  And that one second the camera caught him, @ 0:39, his face pure sex.


This is funny: I wanted to write to you: look at his eyes at 0.39.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Rere on May 31, 2014, 03:49:57 pm
So... (http://i.imgur.com/wNYejI1.jpg)
Obsession level: over 9000
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 07:59:17 pm
to add to the obsession

(http://media.kika-dresden.de/filmbilder_gross/8790/Heiter_bis_wolkig-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 08:33:53 pm
and a print interview

http://www.superillu.de/exklusiv/max-riemelt-im-interview-realistisch-dramatisch-schoen (http://www.superillu.de/exklusiv/max-riemelt-im-interview-realistisch-dramatisch-schoen)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 31, 2014, 08:35:20 pm
she looks bored  ???

(http://www.br.de/fernsehen/bayerisches-fernsehen/inhalt/film-und-serie/bilder-berlin-ist-das-paradies104~_v-image853_-7ce44e292721619ab1c1077f6f262a89f55266d7.jpg?version=7d92f)
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Post by: Rere on May 31, 2014, 10:23:31 pm
OMG, that picture!!! I love you!  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 01, 2014, 06:23:09 pm
I just watched Summerstorm with Hanno Koffler in a supporting role.. It's an older movie (2004) but really nice.
Hanno plays the homosexual Malte.

(http://malecelebbio.com/gallery/2013/07/Hanno-Koffler-17.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 01, 2014, 06:24:03 pm
This is funny: I wanted to write to you: look at his eyes at 0.39.



some nice person put this out there

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/06/bd/99/06bd99ee67b552063303620e1d050d9d.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 01, 2014, 06:24:52 pm
I just watched Summerstorm with Hanno Koffler in a supporting role.. It's an older movie (2004) but really nice.
Hanno plays the homosexual Malte.

(http://malecelebbio.com/gallery/2013/07/Hanno-Koffler-17.jpg)

oh, I'd love to see it.  I'm glad to hear that you liked it.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 01, 2014, 06:26:35 pm
this is the gif, hope it's not too annoying
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lob6t4UrND1qjfza6o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 01, 2014, 06:45:03 pm
oh, I'd love to see it.  I'm glad to hear that you liked it.

I watched it on youtube with English subs. The quality is kind of bad. I watched the movie because of Hanno's role in it. It's small, but he's great and really funny as
Malte, a gay guy who likes to seduce straight boys.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgtCze8kx2o[/youtube]
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 01, 2014, 06:50:28 pm
this is the gif, hope it's not too annoying
 

Max annoying? Never.

He knows how to use his eyes  ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 01, 2014, 06:59:38 pm
This is about the movie Alleinflug, Elly Beinhorn (2014).
Look at 11.42. Do you see what I see?

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5EhKC5Qvwk#t=702[/youtube]
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 01, 2014, 07:18:32 pm
I saw him smile and be adorable, and that is Max  :) .

Is there something I missed?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 01, 2014, 07:33:10 pm
I saw him smile and be adorable, and that is Max  :) .

Is there something I missed?

Max always had a little space between his teeth. It's gone (I think??)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 01, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
I never noticed that!  Now I'll have to go back and watch everything again - well, if I must, I must!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 01, 2014, 07:40:38 pm
I never noticed that!  Now I'll have to go back and watch everything again - well, if I must, I must!

Oh poor girl.

But.....are you telling me you didn't notice the space? You notice every little detail but never that charming little space?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 01, 2014, 07:42:00 pm
No, I never did.  Maybe I was looking elsewhere   8)

So he spent some time at the dentist this year, poor thing.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 01, 2014, 07:55:26 pm
No, I never did.  Maybe I was looking elsewhere   8)



I was looking for a good space picture but instead I found this gorgeous one.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TWaIFpa-Psc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAB4/6oJuEe-Dl5I/photo.jpg)

Tomorrow I will look for it.
Goodnight.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Rere on June 01, 2014, 11:07:33 pm
(http://static.cinemagia.ro/img/db/actor/02/24/85/max-riemelt-556962l.jpg)
Like this?
Also, I saw Summer storm 2 days ago, same reason as you. Hanno in overalls, damn!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 02, 2014, 05:22:22 am

Like this?
Also, I saw Summer storm 2 days ago, same reason as you. Hanno in overalls, damn!

Yes....that's a very good one, thanks.

And Hanno looks great in overalls, but he also plays his role as Malte very well. A few times I really had to laugh.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 02, 2014, 09:38:46 am
I watched it on youtube, very sweet movie.  Hanno was very good.

You horny dumpling  :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 02, 2014, 10:48:27 am
heiter bis wolkig?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b5a3393d56575bdb22ea0784973f7a64/tumblr_mgq9k7av011r5a49vo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 02, 2014, 10:57:00 am
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/58/15/2b/58152b89c29dd7d7ca62e6cc6e303f8e.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 02, 2014, 03:06:39 pm
heiter bis wolkig?


No, I think We are the night.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 02, 2014, 04:05:14 pm
either way, schön  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 02, 2014, 06:21:22 pm
I watched it on youtube, very sweet movie.  Hanno was very good.

You horny dumpling  :laugh:

Is missed that one (read the subs only if I couldn't understand the german).
I loved the scene when Malte gave Georg an air kiss (in the boats) and the scene where he called him sweatheart. And when he gave Georg a kiss on the cheek, right before the photo was taken at the end of the movie. Georg's face, priceless.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 02, 2014, 06:25:09 pm
By the way, did you see the photo Rere posted with the space-teeth?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 02, 2014, 06:26:54 pm
I did, it seems small to me, so maybe that's why I didn't notice.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 02, 2014, 06:39:50 pm
I did, it seems small to me, so maybe that's why I didn't notice.


Once you know, you will notice, even in free fall.
But I think it's charming and cute.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Rere on June 02, 2014, 07:19:33 pm
But I think it's charming and cute.
Same! It kinda bothered me at first, then I really liked it and now it's gone. :<
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 02, 2014, 09:04:27 pm
Hi, I've been reading everyone's posts on this forum, and had a question.

So Freier Fall is not only my favorite film of all time, but the story-line is incredible, as if I'd enjoy it so much more if the sequel (were a novel).

However back to the film, what did you guys think about the sex scenes? (The woods, the car, Kay's apartment and times after). Did you see them as unrealistic, too short, or perhaps too weak? I know the chemistry between not only the characters but actors is great, but sometimes I feel like the scenes could have been capable of being a bit better rather than being rushed forward onto. What are some ideas you'd have instead?

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 02, 2014, 09:40:59 pm
Hi Alexander,
Glad you found this forum to talk about the movie.

I thought the director and actors did a great job with the sex scenes.  If I would pick one to be a little unrealistic it would be against the car in the rain.  I mean, poor Kay was just jammed up against the car door in front.......

Of course, I would like some of the scenes to be longer, because they were beautiful and well acted by Max & Hanno, but maybe we'll see more in Freier Fall part 2  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 03, 2014, 05:34:39 am

However back to the film, what did you guys think about the sex scenes? (The woods, the car, Kay's apartment and times after). Did you see them as unrealistic, too short, or perhaps too weak? I know the chemistry between not only the characters but actors is great, but sometimes I feel like the scenes could have been capable of being a bit better rather than being rushed forward onto. What are some ideas you'd have instead?


Hi Alexander,
To me the sex/lovescenes are just perpect.
I don't know if some scenes are unrealistic (physically), if they are it's not bothering me.

The scenes are short but intense, erotic but not porn.
The scenes serve the story and not the other way around.

A while ago I saw La vie dÁdele (about two lesbien women). A good movie and really great acting, but with a lot of prolonged to porn tending sexscenes.
Maybe nice to watch for anyone interested, but what does it add to the story?

You wrote: but sometimes I feel like the scenes could have been capable of being a bit better rather than being rushed forward onto

I'm curious what you mean by that?

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 03, 2014, 01:42:36 pm
Hi  :) Thanks for your responses.

butlers_fantasy: I've heard by many people that the car scene was unrealistic, however that didn't seem to bother me, since it didn't really look like it was already 'inside'  :-X but attempting in doing so.

Mariska: Yes, I was actually going to mention that film, In english it's called 'Blue is the warmest color', I saw that a few weeks ago. The sex scenes in that movie were like porn and took away a lot of good things about the movie, where as to Free Fall I'm glad they didn't do that.

When I mean being rushed forward onto, there was a part in Kay's apartment that they were kissing and then Kay flipped to his side and Marc already began thrusting onto him? (Sorry to sound perverted but this bothered me a bit). I mean I think it could have been better if I dont know...uh...Marc showed some effort putting it in first and then doing it?! It went a bit too fast but overall it was realistic because more other LGBT films actors haven't really done it this good.

Also, about a sequel...there won't be one? I talked to the French facebook page of the movie, they said that the director would rather have the audience interpret how things would go out rather than making another movie. As well, Free Fall will be released on DVD in September 2014. I
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 03, 2014, 03:22:04 pm

Also, about a sequel...there won't be one? I talked to the French facebook page of the movie, they said that the director would rather have the audience interpret how things would go out rather than making another movie. As well, Free Fall will be released on DVD in September 2014. I

Yes, in the audio comments they were clear about this: everyone should find their own interpretation of the ending and how things will develop.

But in the audio comments of the movie they made a joke. During the last scene (marc running) they said something like: "the open ending makes you want part 2 (in German: "macht lust auf teil 2"). In about 5 years Freier fall 2". And then they all laughed.
I don't know if it was a joke.
And I don't know if the fact that the ending was supposed to be open for own interpretation, excludes that there will be a part 2 some day.

Do you have any idea if the people from the french facebook literally read/heard that the director said something about not making a part 2?
I read nothing at all about a part 2, not positive and not negative. But maybe there are interviews we didn't read.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 03, 2014, 03:37:00 pm

When I mean being rushed forward onto, there was a part in Kay's apartment that they were kissing and then Kay flipped to his side and Marc already began thrusting onto him? (Sorry to sound perverted but this bothered me a bit). I mean I think it could have been better if I dont know...uh...Marc showed some effort putting it in first and then doing it?! It went a bit too fast but overall it was realistic because more other LGBT films actors haven't really done it this good.


I had this feeling during the car scene. I thought: huh? They don't speak a word, kiss one time and then....while Marc was supposed to unexperienced?
But again, I don't care because I liked the scene. The only thing that bothered me was they didn't use a lube.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 03, 2014, 04:04:26 pm
A part of review on ibdm:

My only issue with the movie is (now I'll get spoilery):
I wish the conflict wouldn't have been so overly dominant. Of course that's what the movie is about, but love is also something positive (and something that can set you free, which the ending shows beautifully) and there's so much fighting and denial going on that the nice aspects fade away. But that's of course only my personal opinion. I guess my heart is just a bit broken because Kay&Marc didn't make it. Though maybe someday they will, who knows. :-)


I can agree with this.
The conflict is central to the story, but there are a lot of scenes Marc is agressive or simply not kind to Kay.
That bothered me.
 
If I could change something in the movie it would be this: less/shorter Bettina scenes and more nice moments between the guys.
Maybe that's why I want a sequel. Marc has to make up something to Kay.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 03, 2014, 05:06:20 pm
If you'd like, you can message them here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-un-film-de-Stephan-Lacant/1443310345902907

A sequel: Unfortunately I only speak English & Spanish, not German  :'( therefore I can't understand anything they're saying in the commentary nor in the deleted scenes (I own the German DVD Version of the film), but from what they were saying about a sequel, I mean I can take it as a joke but of course most people like us are unsure since we really want a sequel, so I think Stephen Lacant currently wouldn't want to produce a sequel, but maybe in the following years he might?

Perhaps another director may make a sequel for the film, that can happen. One of my favorite films, "Silent Hill" was made in 2006, and the director said he was planning to make a sequel but in the end dropped out. However another director decided to make the sequel and still utilized the same cast members and everything, which he did (but most people didn't like the movie either way).

But yes, the ending does leave an opening for a sequel, perhaps someone in the future may take advantage of this.

I enjoy reading the  fanfictions that there are of the movie. Here are the best ones:

 (http://nocturneworld.com/free-fall-part-2-renaissance/, http://archiveofourown.org/tags/Freier%20Fall%20%7C%20Free%20Fall%20(2013)/works, https://www.fanfiction.net/movie/Free-Fall-Freier-Fall/ ).

If you read all of them (which were written by different people), I can assume that weeks/months pass by after the events of the first film, Marc gets the guts to try to find Kay, but has to take care of the baby that he had with Bettina since she can't do it herself (and leaves it to Marc). Marc gets Kay's address (since he is a policeman after all), goes to Kay's apartment (which is a several minutes/hours away) and finds him. Kay isn't interested at first until Marc explains to him the break up with Bettina, and in the end they get back together and possibly raise the child.

However, I'd prefer that there be a novel published as a sequel to the movie? That'd be pretty awesome.

Back to the film, In the scene were Marc & Kay were doing it on the car, I don't think lube needed to be involved since it was raining ( a lot ) and they were soaking wet. But I do agree that they are erotic and romantic.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 08:48:28 am
I had this feeling during the car scene. I thought: huh? They don't speak a word, kiss one time and then....while Marc was supposed to unexperienced?
But again, I don't care because I liked the scene. The only thing that bothered me was they didn't use a lube.


I'm with you, I think all the scenes were well-done, there isn't any that I don't like.

There was a perfect place for one more, after they fight at Kay's apartment.  I've already made up dialogue in my mind for it, and how it could lead to a beautiful scene   ::).  And a small thing they could have done to imply it, was have Marc's shirt buttoned in the scene, and unbuttoned in the next, when he is at home and looks in on Bettina and the baby. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 10:46:42 am
Ok, got a question.  How long were Marc & Kay together?  Bettina was pretty far along in the pregnancy, and Kay left when the baby was maybe a month old, does that sound about right?  So maybe 4 months from start to finish?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 12:42:14 pm
Doing some research on German riot police, in case I decide to do fanfic, found this:

Egg on their faces: German police trash their new £740,000 'riot-proof' water cannon just by pelting it with eggs and tennis balls
Published: 10:54 EST, 22 April 2014  | Updated: 16:09 EST, 22 April 2014

It weighs 33 tons, is made of solid steel and is supposed to be capable of knocking back crowds of rioters in the face of bricks and Molotov cocktails.

But one German police force has been left feeling rather washed out after they managed to damage their brand new €900,000 (£740,000) water cannon simply by pelting it with eggs and tennis balls.

Having taken possession of the Austrian-made 'WaWe 10' water cannon, Thuringia Police decided to test its performance with a series of mock demonstrations.

Pretending to be rioters, officers at first decided to hurl a number of less dangerous items such as bottles, tennis balls and eggs.

But they quickly found they had caused dents the size of fists in the armoured glass, according to The Local which cited broadcaster MDR.

A police spokesman said it did not expect such widespread damage.

What's perhaps more worrying for the government is that it has ordered 78 of the vehicles for use by forces across the country.

Germany's interior ministry has now written to the manufacturer, Rosenbauer, for an explanation.

Water cannon, which fire jets of water at high velocity, are commonly used as an effective tool to disperse riots because they are powerful but non-lethal.

The Rosenbauer Group is one of the world's three largest manufacturers of fire-service vehicles, based in Leonding, Austria.


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/22/article-2610403-1D435A3200000578-665_634x382.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 04, 2014, 03:41:51 pm
Ok, got a question.  How long were Marc & Kay together?  Bettina was pretty far along in the pregnancy, and Kay left when the baby was maybe a month old, does that sound about right?  So maybe 4 months from start to finish?

I thought it was actually a bit longer than a year, since they celebrated the babies birthday when Kay was invited yet left because Marc's parents didn't want him there? So the baby would be a year old I'd assume and Marc & Kay started a earlier before the baby was born and very little afterwards :p
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 03:54:35 pm
I think the celebration was for the baby's birth, not his first birthday.  He's still an infant in that scene.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 04:04:39 pm
I think the celebration was for the baby's birth, not his first birthday.  He's still an infant in that scene.

I agree, the party was for the baby's birth.
So I think you are right Nancy, from beginning to end about 3 or 4 months.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 04:13:57 pm
Does anyone think Kay & Britt were having sex?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 04:18:43 pm
Does anyone think Kay & Britt were having sex?

No!  :o

But I'm sure she wanted to  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 04:20:06 pm
But they were dating, wouldn't she think it was weird if they didn't?  Maybe they just went bowling  ;D

And she said it was "great" when Gregor asked how it was with him. 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 04:40:14 pm
But they were dating, wouldn't she think it was weird if they didn't?  Maybe they just went bowling  ;D

And she said it was "great" when Gregor asked how it was with him. 

Yes, I wondered about that too. We saw them once dating together (at that damn bowling hall). But after Marc's baby was born and the people at work congratulated him, someone (I think Gregor) asked Britt about her "babyclock ticking" (I don't know how they translated that in English). Britt asked: what clock? And then Gregor pointed to Kay and said: his clock. That is a sign that the collegues thougt that Kay/Britt more or less were together.
Or Gregor's comment after Kays coming out: you should have seen Britt's face (still don't know if she was crying in the van).
And yes, what you mentioned about Gregor asking at the baby celebration.

So, we may assume that they must have been dating together more than once.
And you are right. If he didn't touch her at all, that must have been weird to her.

I still think they didn't have sex or anything together. Kay is gay and madly in love with Marc.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 04, 2014, 04:46:11 pm
Does anyone think Kay & Britt were having sex?

NO of course not,  :P and just like what Mariska said, she probably did like him, but Kay is gay and is going for Marc. But we know afterwards she doesn't care if he's gay since at the party, Gregor complains about how Kay shows up and Britt says that "We're not all homophobic as you guys', and Gregor asks 'How's it like to be with a fag?" and she responds 'Great, jealous?".

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 04:47:40 pm

And she said it was "great" when Gregor asked how it was with him. 

I think she said that to let him shut up.

But it's an interesting question. How did Kay handle this with Britt?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 04, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
I think she said that to let him shut up.

But it's an interesting question. How did Kay handle this with Britt?

Well yeah I know, but still she didn't care if he was gay or not in the end. And it could've been possible that they were dating? At first possibly, but after knowing Kay was gay, she didn't mind still being friends/close to him.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 04:51:01 pm
After Marc shows the baby pic on his phone, the subs have Britt saying "I'm jealous."  Then Gregor says "Do I hear wedding bells?"  Britt: "Whose wedding bells, Limpinski?"  Gregor, looks at Kay then points to him: "You and him, of course."  Then Kay says "Jealous?"

So the subs are off again  :-\
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 04, 2014, 04:53:56 pm
From 1-10, how well do you think the chemistry between Marc & Kay is? And for Hanno & Max ?  :P
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 04:55:00 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 04, 2014, 04:55:45 pm
Unfortunately Hanno & Max aren't gay in the real life  >:( ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 05:01:48 pm
I think she said that to let him shut up.

But it's an interesting question. How did Kay handle this with Britt?

you're probably right about her saying that to shut Gregor up.

And I think Alexander is right, they probably stayed friends.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 05:05:15 pm
After Marc shows the baby pic on his phone, the subs have Britt saying "I'm jealous."  Then Gregor says "Do I hear wedding bells?"  Britt: "Whose wedding bells, Limpinski?"  Gregor, looks at Kay then points to him: "You and him, of course."  Then Kay says "Jealous?"

So the subs are off again  :-\

Wow, wedding bells. Interesting.  8). Thanks  :).
I don't know if the subs are off. I translated the dutch subs in English (so maybe the dutch subs are off). I have to watch back to hear what they said in German.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 05:10:12 pm
So what's really going on there between Marc & Kay?  Kay is sort of left out, but they always have eye contact whenever they're in the same room together.  At the end of the scene, Marc finishes his champagne and looks across at Kay, who is leaving.  We talked about this a little bit a while back, but what's Marc thinking when he looks over at Kay and sees him leaving?  

The next scene is the baby bath, then the road fight  :'(  I hate that.  But then Marc is cleaning up the paint and can't breathe, can't get Kay out of his mind, and tells Bettina he's suffocating.  
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 05:11:36 pm
But we know afterwards she doesn't care if he's gay since at the party, Gregor complains about how Kay shows up and Britt says that "We're not all homophobic as you guys', and Gregor asks 'How's it like to be with a fag?" and she responds 'Great, jealous?".


You are right, at that time she didn't care (probably she was over it).
But right after Kay's coming out she was sad, did you see her face when they were all together in the police van?


(I wish someone told me if she was crying or not).

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 05:13:00 pm
From 1-10, how well do you think the chemistry between Marc & Kay is? And for Hanno & Max ?  :P

10 of course....for both  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 05:14:38 pm
You are right, at that time she didn't care (probably she was over it).
But right after Kay's coming out she was sad, did you see her face when they were all together in the police van?


(I wish someone told me if she was crying or not).



I don't think she is crying.  She's sad, for sure, but I don't see tears on her face.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 04, 2014, 05:53:12 pm
I saw a comment about the movie, she said Marc got what he deserved in the end, because he treated Kay & Bettina poorly and should be alone.  She did not watch the movie.  If that's all she got out of it, she really wasted her money.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 06:22:43 pm
 We talked about this a little bit a while back, but what's Marc thinking when he looks over at Kay and sees him leaving?  

The next scene is the baby bath, then the road fight  :'(  I hate that.  But then Marc is cleaning up the paint and can't breathe, can't get Kay out of his mind, and tells Bettina he's suffocating.  

When he sees him leaving: Maybe he wanted to see how Kay was reacting?

The paint cleaning scene: at first I thought this was the moment Marc began to realize that Kay was more than an affair. But, now I think that Marc wasn't that far yet. He felt that something was not ok. He should be happy with his newborn child, the house, his girlfriend etc. but he wasn't. Then he told Bettina he's suffocating. So he feels unhappy, but he doesn't directly relate this feelings to the breakup with Kay (he still wants to think that Kay was just an affair). Maybe in his heart he knows, but people believe what they want to believe.

In another discussion thread someone wrote about Marc's breakdown after Kay told him he loved him.
Maybe that was the moment something changed for Marc. The word "love" was spoken out loud.

I'm sure Marc did love Kay. But I still don''t know when he realized this.




 

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 04, 2014, 06:25:18 pm
I saw a comment about the movie, she said Marc got what he deserved in the end, because he treated Kay & Bettina poorly and should be alone.  She did not watch the movie.  If that's all she got out of it, she really wasted her money.

Agree, agree and agree.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 05, 2014, 10:45:34 am
106 Minuten voller Wahrheiten über das Leben und den Tod: Götz Schubert (links), Max Riemelt und Mathilde Bundschuh spielen in "Tage die bleiben" (Do., 12.06., 0.35 Uhr) eine Kleinfamilie, die in der Trauer um die Mutter zusammenhalten muss.

Google translate:
106 minutes full of truths about life and death: Götz Schubert (left), Max Riemelt and Mathilde Bundschuh play in "days that remain" (Thu., 12:06, 0.35 clock.) Is a small family who stick together in mourning for the mother needs

(http://www.res2ep.scsstatic.ch/content/dam/bluewin/feed/teleschau/60/7a/201427_287676_3_024.jpg.bwimg.680x320.ts456483613000.jpg/201427_287676_3_024.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 05, 2014, 04:05:53 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/2d/0d/e52d0d5511591b4e95698e94e59b72ba.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 05, 2014, 04:07:04 pm
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/42/17/b34217c12b234ddcd44fc03ddb4546c2.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 05, 2014, 04:39:51 pm
what could he possibly be thinking about?  8)

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/65/b1/4b/65b14b9f489d970b7733bff886936d97.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 05:06:47 pm
This is the only on-set picture I've seen.  More in German at the link below.



Regisseur Stephan Lacant (rechts) spricht mit seinen beiden Hauptdarstellern Katharina Schüttler und Hanno Koffler die nächste Szene durch.


Google translate:
Director Stephan Lacant (right) speaks with his two lead actors Catherine shaker and Hanno Koffler by the next scene.


(http://www.stimme.de/storage/pic/eigenebilder/verschiedenes/1894519_1_472.jpg?version=1368860548)

http://www.stimme.de/heilbronn/nachrichten/neckar-zaber/Filmcrew-dreht-Spielfilm-in-Neckarwestheim;art1910,2541185 (http://www.stimme.de/heilbronn/nachrichten/neckar-zaber/Filmcrew-dreht-Spielfilm-in-Neckarwestheim;art1910,2541185)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 05:17:49 pm
This is the only on-set picture I've seen.  More in German at the link below.

Regisseur Stephan Lacant (rechts) spricht mit seinen beiden Hauptdarstellern Katharina Schüttler und Hanno Koffler die nächste Szene durch.


Google translate:
Director Stephan Lacant (right) speaks with his two lead actors Catherine shaker and Hanno Koffler by the next sce

Thanks for posting, didn't see this one.
I wish there were some bloopers  :D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 05:23:34 pm
Yeah, that would be great!  I still say they could sell the takes from the bed scene at Kay's that they didn't use, and make enough to retire on!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 05:27:50 pm
A little nerdy, there, Max!

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/5c/aa/7c5caa2d8437f9c9253dd27aafaf3ca0.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 05:38:40 pm
Yeah, that would be great!  I still say they could sell the takes from the bed scene at Kay's that they didn't use, and make enough to retire on!

 :D
Agree. To be honest, I would spent money. And....in the comments they sounded a little disappointed about the fact that there was just small part of their bed-experiencing in the movie. Now there is coming a thought in my mind. I let you know in pm  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 05:41:26 pm
:D
Agree. To be honest, I would spent money. And....in the comments they sounded a little disappointed about the fact that there was just small part of their bed-experiencing in the movie. Now there is coming a thought in my mind. I let you know in pm  ;D


They're not the only ones  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 05:43:33 pm
A little nerdy, there, Max!


Do you think this is nerdy? Have sou seen this one?

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhZKpZAKEIUzl0qiHnZ7UDKqmhWn0qff16mqn-hK704qCh3d8AIA)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 05:44:47 pm
They're not the only ones  ;D

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 05:45:45 pm
Maybe not nerdy, but sometimes I think he could use a stylist to help him dress better.  He's so gorgeous and has such a great body, and could look so great all the time.

That one is new to me, which movie?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 06:01:34 pm
(http://www.styleonemagazin.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Max_Riemelt_Oesterreichpremiere_Heiter_bis_wolkig_-_Urania-Kino_Wien_2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 06:03:08 pm
Maybe not nerdy, but sometimes I think he could use a stylist to help him dress better.  He's so gorgeous and has such a great body, and could look so great all the time.

That one is new to me, which movie?

"Lauf um dein leben", he plays a junkie.
There is another one, I can't find it right now but he has long hair and glasses. Awful.
(And he was a little nerdy at your picture, but it's not his worst picture).

Yes, he could look gorgeous all the time, but sometimes he has to look in a certain way for a movie.
And even in real life it seems he doesn't care about clothes, hair and stuff. In an interview I read: it seems like Max wants to hide his charming looks in any way possible.

Of course I like to see him gorgeous, but in a certain way I like his attitude, not playing the "hot guy" all the time. He doesn't like red carpets and stuff either. What did you think of the interview "from Heiter bis Wolkig" with Jessica Schwarz? Sometimes he seems uncomfortable to me.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 06:14:20 pm
He reminds me of Heath in that way.  He would always dress however he wanted, he didn't care what anyone thought.
But he's even gorgeous here, to me  :'(


(http://blog.tapuz.co.il/pointoffashion/images/3420809_463.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 06:25:04 pm
He reminds me of Heath in that way.  He would always dress however he wanted, he didn't care what anyone thought.
But he's even gorgeous here, to me  :'(


Aaaw, this is so great.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 06:35:32 pm
Sorry Max, for all the nerdy stuff. You just need a smile and a short haircut to be irresistible again.
To make it up, some really beautiful slowmotion gifs.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/6d5ec8b33f9e7be5e1644d54c1a1aa08/tumblr_n6ii46Nmls1r140cso7_r3_250.gif)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/b838a3d0943dd35ca45f1b1786b8d2c1/tumblr_n6ii46Nmls1r140cso5_r4_250.gif)
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(https://24.media.tumblr.com/fd08fbb09e62e607fa496c0b81f500d5/tumblr_n6ii46Nmls1r140cso8_r2_250.gif)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/3eb7b142de17cfeaa2c641278d1ffb1a/tumblr_n6ii46Nmls1r140cso2_250.gif)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/c2e0de9efc596d6943c25ad0e3ff65ea/tumblr_n6ii46Nmls1r140cso1_250.gif)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/3a2b82958f0d865ef17dee2dd1b16431/tumblr_n6ii46Nmls1r140cso3_250.gif)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/665d28900216286205c6cc238d7cb0c3/tumblr_n6ii46Nmls1r140cso4_250.gif)






Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 06, 2014, 06:38:47 pm
Great scene, and he's not at all nerdy  :)

So is this your favorite Max pic?   ;)

(http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/6315631/600full-max-riemelt.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 06:47:03 pm
Great scene, and he's not at all nerdy  :)

So is this your favorite Max pic?   ;)


Oh dear! Yes, that''s the one  :o
Even his smile doesn't help.

Now I have to look for another hot one to make it up.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 06:49:52 pm
(http://imagebox.cz.osobnosti.cz/foto/max-riemelt/N296387-3c584.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 06:50:48 pm
(http://www.maxriemelt.com/wp-content/gallery/max-riemelt/max_riemelt10.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 06, 2014, 06:54:20 pm
Cute one from "zwei allein""

(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1797372_10152053418049064_473364747_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 06, 2014, 10:41:25 pm
They're not the only ones  ;D

Wait, there were more sex scenes or what?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 07, 2014, 10:15:22 am
Wait, there were more sex scenes or what?  :laugh:

Hi, no there are not more sex scenes  :).
They said they experienced a lot during that bedscene (and other scenes) and just a small part of it is in the movie.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 07, 2014, 01:52:41 pm
They said they experienced a lot during that bedscene (and other scenes) and just a small part of it is in the movie.

Well they should have put it in the deleted scenes  :P
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 07, 2014, 05:13:49 pm
new one to me

(http://content3.promiflash.de/article-images/w500/max-riemelt-guckt-verschmitzt.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 07, 2014, 05:19:32 pm
He works a lot


Fabian Busch und Max Riemelt in "Der zweite Mann"
(http://www.zdf.de/ZDF/zdfportal/blob/31896736/2/data.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 07, 2014, 09:01:13 pm
Don't want Hanno to feel left out

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e6/3a/19/e63a190424d98ad7ab45b1ec7220b528.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 07, 2014, 09:03:40 pm
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fa/fa/6e/fafa6e87f139019cfa1c70b4b706380b.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 07, 2014, 09:04:55 pm
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c0/78/11/c078119d45cf3457235334b8b3336168.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on June 08, 2014, 09:58:52 am
(http://denisignatov.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Hanno_Berlin_2013-3517.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 08, 2014, 10:10:02 am
(http://denisignatov.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Hanno_Berlin_2013-3517.jpg)

This one is so beautiful.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on June 09, 2014, 07:13:49 am
I really love this one. Beautiful and intense without emphasizing the sex scenes. The person who made it, did a good job.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on June 20, 2014, 09:50:18 pm
Just curious, but in the scene in the rain where Marc and Kay were messing around, did Hanno & Max really take off their shorts? I couldn't exactly tell if they did or not since the camera was zooming in on them.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Sienata on July 02, 2014, 03:52:53 pm
hi all. i've just discovered this thread and have been reading some of the comments. the ones about the love scenes particularly struck a chord with me because i had some issues with those as well. in their first love scene, i agree with the comments that it was too quick, altho i can see Marc being nervous and horny and scared and freaked and horny and not wanting to turn it into a big teenage make-out scene. still, i did think one kiss and then slamming kay into the car was a bit over-the-top, but kay seemed to like it. one of my favorite stills from the whole movie is Kay's face, the sun lighting him up and that beautiful, satisfied smile, when Marc first spins him around. i also love his expressions as they make love and it's obvious it hurts some but he mans-up and takes it. my thoughts about this scene were that maybe when Marc called him, he decided to be proactive and lubed up ahead of time just in case?? even if he had, his facial expressions would still make sense.

as for the love scene in his bed, i also think it was rushed and that didn't work for me as well this time because of all the kissing. they kissed very passionately but didn't do anything else at all??? and then marc again flips him over and three seconds later he's done?? no lube, no prep, no stamina, and no other foreplay that we can see besides the kissing. since they are obviously taking their time and both very into it, this doesn't really fly for me. i think they probably left something on the editing room floor that we should've seen. lets hope for more deleted scenes to fill in the blanks.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on July 04, 2014, 08:46:49 am
Wow, 2 new obsessed people!  Good to see people are still finding this movie.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on July 22, 2014, 04:01:15 am
Wow, 2 new obsessed people!  Good to see people are still finding this movie.

I have some questions (or basically in need of opinions) about the events and it's time length in the film, that I really need to have covered.

To begin with,

1) How long do you think it was from Marc and Kay becoming friends at the beginning of the film to the point where Kay confronted Marc sexually in the forest?
2) How long do you think Kay and Marc's affair lasted?

About the movie itself:

3) Do you think the movie should've been longer than 1 and 40 minutes, to cover up some things it could have potentially skipped, or give us new information about things/characters (Like Kay?).

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on July 22, 2014, 08:20:49 am
I have some questions (or basically in need of opinions) about the events and it's time length in the film, that I really need to have covered.

To begin with,

1) How long do you think it was from Marc and Kay becoming friends at the beginning of the film to the point where Kay confronted Marc sexually in the forest?

I'm not sure how long from the time they were in the pool to the forest, but it couldn't have been too long - maybe a week or two?


2) How long do you think Kay and Marc's affair lasted?

Mariska and I talked about this, we figured about 4 months.  Bettina was probably 7, maybe even 8 months pregnant when they met at the bowling alley, and Kay left soon after the baby shower/party, and the baby was about a month old.


Quote
About the movie itself:

3) Do you think the movie should've been longer than 1 and 40 minutes, to cover up some things it could have potentially skipped, or give us new information about things/characters (Like Kay?).

Mariska has the DVD with commentary by the actors and director, the US DVDs don't have that, and she gave a lot of info directly from Hanno, Max and Stephen.  They said Kay was supposed to be a mystery, with not much known about him, it was intentional to have no background about him.  He came into Marc's life, turned it upside down and Marc couldn't handle it, then Kay was gone.

It's good to talk about this again!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on July 22, 2014, 05:17:49 pm
Not sure about Marc nodding his head to indicate "Yes, it's true", but I will do my homework and re-watch  ;)

As for meeting in the rain, Marc set that up, he wanted Kay.  I can kind of see how you could think that, looking at how Marc walked towards him, like maybe he was going to confront him.

But you can tell when he's still in his car, breathing heavy, he's nervous, he knew why he was there and he knew why Kay was there.  He had to have called Kay or in some way let him know to meet him there, and it wasn't to tell him to back off.......he got what he wanted.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on July 22, 2014, 05:22:49 pm
Did you all notice when Marc met Kay in the forest during the rain storm, right after he first kisses him - did you see where he (Marc) nodded his head like he was saying "Yes...it's true..." or "Yes, I want this...", or something to that effect?  What do you all think of that? That was awesome.

I think I know what you're talking about, it is the still profile picture that butler_fantasies has? They kissed and Marc and Kay nodded at each other for a second until Marc turned Kay over, took down his hoodie and well started doing the dirty  ::)

( 0:48 )

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Alexander_2098 on July 22, 2014, 05:26:11 pm
I'm not sure how long from the time they were in the pool to the forest, but it couldn't have been too long - maybe a week or two?


2) How long do you think Kay and Marc's affair lasted?

Mariska and I talked about this, we figured about 4 months.  Bettina was probably 7, maybe even 8 months pregnant when they met at the bowling alley, and Kay left soon after the baby shower/party, and the baby was about a month old.


Mariska has the DVD with commentary by the actors and director, the US DVDs don't have that, and she gave a lot of info directly from Hanno, Max and Stephen.  They said Kay was supposed to be a mystery, with not much known about him, it was intentional to have no background about him.  He came into Marc's life, turned it upside down and Marc couldn't handle it, then Kay was gone.



1) Do you think that the beginning of the film was too rushed or quick?

-And yeah, I feel like it must've been 4 months or so...

-I have that German DVD version as well (It's free region  :laugh: ) I have the audio commentary and all that (deleted scenes, etc) from them as well but I don't speak german! It'd be a treasure chest load for me to know all what they're saying about/while watching the movie! Not to mention the deleted scenes too, they don't have any subtitles which is retarded.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Monika on July 28, 2014, 02:43:04 pm
Hi guys, do you know if there is somewhere I can watch this movie online?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: CellarDweller on July 28, 2014, 04:36:08 pm
Off the top of my head, no, but there's got to be a place.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on July 29, 2014, 12:33:49 am
Hi guys, do you know if there is somewhere I can watch this movie online?

iTunes and Amazon. V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on July 30, 2014, 02:23:13 pm
Marcs smile  when he was on the phone: yes I noticed. Marc picked up the phone en then it took a little while before he smiled and said: I can't talk right now. Who knows what Kay said to him that made him smile. We will never know.

In the audio version max and hanno had a discussion why Marc didn't say immediately that he couldn't talk right now. That was funny.

Mariska, if you're still around, what did they say in the commentary about this part?  I don't think we've ever talked about that.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on July 30, 2014, 03:28:45 pm
Mariska, if you're still around, what did they say in the commentary about this part?  I don't think we've ever talked about that.

Hi, yes, I'm still around  ;).
I had to listen again a few times and the conversation goes like this:
Max mentioned that it was kind of funny that Marc didn't put the phone down.
And then I think the other two misunderstood him.
Stephan: his desire was too much.
Max: yes, but it was very risky.
Stephan: it would be more striking if he would not pick up the phone when it rings.
Max: yes but he could have said: I will call you back.
Hanno: I did that.
Stephan: yes he did that.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on July 30, 2014, 08:13:36 pm
Marc was so blessed and lucky to have Kay. I noticed how Kay would almost always look upon him with adoring eyes.  Examples abound in the film, but one such incident is when Marc and Kay are running, where Marc skips ahead of Kay and they're so happy and having fun.  Right before that, you can just see the adoration in Kay's eyes when he is looking over at Marc.  He seemed to be very protective of Marc, too.  Not only that, but I felt like Kay not only loved him sexually but also as a best friend/brother.

Kay was so dedicated to him.  That kind of dedication is rare in this world today.  Marc really didn't realize the special, priceless gem he had in his arms. Soo sad.

I agree, I really liked that "playful" scene too.. good catch. V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on August 01, 2014, 12:45:05 pm
Did anyone notice when Marc moves back into the barracks after he leaves Bettina, that he stares achingly and longingly at the empty bed that was once Kay's?  That was intense.  You could feel his pain and deep sense of loss.  

Yes.  It's like he's haunted by the room and reflecting on what's he now realizes, he has lost - not only his family but Kay.  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 09, 2014, 06:21:40 pm
I love this photo of max
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on August 09, 2014, 07:02:06 pm
Yes, he is gorgeous, isn't he?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on August 09, 2014, 07:13:50 pm
Did anyone notice when Marc moves back into the barracks after he leaves Bettina, that he stares achingly and longingly at the empty bed that was once Kay's?  That was intense.  You could feel his pain and deep sense of loss.  

Yes, that was intense, like many other scenes. I've seen this movie so often but it still get's to me what they express with facial emotions.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 10, 2014, 07:37:36 am
Yes, he is gorgeous, isn't he?

yes he is and the way he kiss  :o gorgeous no one kisses like him
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 11, 2014, 06:20:16 pm
http://nocturneworld.com/2014/07/22/free-fall-renaissance-chapter-6-english-version/
any one read this


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on August 15, 2014, 06:17:51 am
Yes, I read it.
And I like his writing style, but I didn't like what he did to the character Kai in the last chapter.
What did you think of it?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 15, 2014, 08:29:06 am
Quote from: mariska link=topic=52393.him a risk a#msg661178 date=1408097871
Yes, I read it.
And I like his writing style, but I didn't like what he did to the character Kai in the last chapter.
What did you think of it?

In the last chapter  he made marc find him  in the gay club I think he did like the move when marc hit kay on the roadi stay away what kay did is the same they found him in the gay club drank and taking drugs he did that before so i think its in kai character to do so but I like that he found kai drawing and that he new he loved him
some thing I didn't understand in the move the when marc was wating in kai apartment what did he want whay did marc want to fight him and may be hit him what did kai do wrong he staid away from marc and what did marc mean by blackmail and after he told marc he loved him he said I dont sleep with any one else or i will not sleep with you any more
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on August 15, 2014, 04:53:27 pm
In the last chapter  he made marc find him  in the gay club I think he did like the move when marc hit kay on the roadi stay away what kay did is the same they found him in the gay club drank and taking drugs he did that before so i think its in kai character to do so but I like that he found kai drawing and that he new he loved him


It's right that Kai took drugs/alcohol in the movie, but the situation in the chapter was too much drama for me.
I also don't see Kai drawing pictures of Marc all the time. I think Kai is a guy who tries to go on and make the best of it.

Someone else is writing a sequal I like very much. Her writing style is beautiful, the story realistic (not just a nice happy ending) and she stays true to the characters.

http://morrobay1990.livejournal.com/136427.html



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on August 15, 2014, 05:05:26 pm

some thing I didn't understand in the move the when marc was wating in kai apartment what did he want whay did marc want to fight him and may be hit him what did kai do wrong he staid away from marc and what did marc mean by blackmail and after he told marc he loved him he said I dont sleep with any one else or i will not sleep with you any more


I think Marc was confused and overwhelmed by a lot of feelings. He might be scared that people would find out about his relationship with Kai or that Kai should talk about it at work (I think that's what he meant with blackmail). He was jealous because he thought Kai might have sex with others ("what were you doing in that club, do you f*ck with others). All that feelings made Marc angry and agressive (and it wasn't the first time).

Kai said: I don't sleep with others.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on August 15, 2014, 05:09:18 pm

I recommend this to anyone to read.

http://morrobay1990.livejournal.com/136427.html
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 16, 2014, 06:17:07 pm
I recommend this to anyone to read.

http://morrobay1990.livejournal.cobe leaved l

thanks mariska i read it it very nice and realstic but it was sad when he made kai with some one else he told marc i am not sleeping with others i beleaved him and I thought may be he will not go to sone one else that easy but after what marc did he has all the right to do so
Some times I wander is kai gay gust gay or when he new marc his love to him made him go in these relationship and if he was gust gay how did he date briit
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on August 17, 2014, 12:17:33 pm
I have a totally different take on Kay and the road rage scene.  He didn't seem to me AT ALL about to cry - he was fucking pissed.  Marc was treating him like shit, and nobody treats Kay like shit for long.  The last thing I would compare him to is a pining, crying, whiny, weak, high school girl.  He went after Marc, told him to man up, and how does Marc respond?  Violence.  In the end, Marc's violent side, his lack of caring for Kay (he walked away after Kay was beaten up by Gregor), his total inability to make a decision all contributed to Kay leaving.  

I understand Marc's problems, and sympathize to a point.  But Kay a sorry, weeping mess?  No fucking way.

Everyone sees things differently..............

As for the difficulty understanding the comment due to run-on sentences, etc, perhaps it would be easier for you to communicate in that person's language, I'm sure it would be easier for them...
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on August 17, 2014, 02:43:10 pm
Mariska and I talked about this a while back, this is from page 16 of this thread.  I'm pretty sure Vincent added his opinion, too, he always has an informed, interesting take on this movie

I thought the movie was so great. To be honest, I watched it because I like Max Riemelt so much  and I really did not expect this film would have such an impact on me. I watched it several times now and I'm still thinking about it.
Some of my thoughts (and excuse my bad English please)
I regret that many people seem to think that this movie is only interesting for gay people.  What happens to Marc  happens all the time to straight people. I mean, being settled,  children etc. and then suddenly falling in love with someone else. Of course the fact that Kay is a man makes it even more confusing, but it’s the same struggle about making choices.
It’s a beautiful but realistic story and interesting to watch for everybody.
I found the relationship between Marc and Kay most of the time so beautiful and real and touching. So much chemistry between them.  But I wonder if Marc really loved Kay. Why did he hit him? And why did he leave Kay behind when he was beaten up, without words, without a hugh or kiss. Just gave his key back and left. That was really so heartbreaking.
I know a lot of people did not like the end. I didn’t like it either. It is a realistic movie so there has to be a realistic end. Marc has to work things out first. But the separation with Kay was too fast, too hard and too sudden. A little bit of hope for the future would have been nice.
If there will be a freier fall 2 (I hope so I hope so),  I would like to know what Marc is going to do. Can he accept the way it ended with Kay? Will he try to find him? To find out what his feelings are, or maybe just to close things  up decently? Was Kay just an eye opener for Marc to show him that he was not really happy in his life or is he the love of his life?


Great to read your thoughts about the movie, I loved it, as you can tell from all my posts   :)  . And Max Riemelt is not only stunning to look at, but an exceptional actor.  I’ve looked up some info about him online, he’s been acting for more than 15 years, a long time.  He got excellent reviews for Napola and I would like to see it, but I’m afraid I couldn’t take the physical or emotional violence.

Marc & Kay’s relationship is beautiful, and the actors were totally committed to their roles and held nothing back.  The chemistry between them is unbelievable, as you said.  I have so many favorite scenes; early in the film, when Marc is smoking in the parking lot and Kay comes up to him, taking a cigarette, grabbing his hand for a light - so confident.  I love the looks between them.  And the kiss in the hospital!  Schön   :)

But you bring up some good questions about Marc.  When he hit him, I think he was just so confused about the whole thing; he’s lashing out because he doesn’t know what else to do, he can’t admit his own feelings to himself. He never tells Kay he loves him, in fact I would wish for a little more dialogue between them.  I believe he loves Kay, but there is too much going on for him to be able to put his feelings into words, I think.  His whole relationship with Bettina, a new baby, his parents and co-workers finding out – he is overwhelmed.

And yes, it was heartbreaking when he left Kay without a touch or a word.  You could see the pain in his face as he waits for the elevator, but I want to scream at him to go back.  Maybe I’ve watched this a few too many times!
One of the great things about the script and the acting by Hanno Koffler is that even though he acts like a jerk sometimes, you still care about him, and can understand why he’s acting like a jerk.

I didn’t mind the ending, I thought there was hope for the future, and Marc certainly learned a lot about himself, and seemed to be able to face what was once utterly unthinkable to him.  And it certainly leaves it open to a sequel, which would be fantastic.  I want to know the answers to all the questions you stated.

Did you also like Brokeback Mountain?  I’m also wondering how you found this forum, was it Brokeback or Free Fall?

I’m really happy that you posted, your English is excellent, I hope you continue to post here, and on the other threads.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on August 17, 2014, 02:52:07 pm

I also get the impression that when Marc stormed back to Kai's apartment (the scene where he breaks in on his now-abandoned apartment), he was going there in a determined spirit to make things right with Kai.  How great that would've been to see.

I loved where Kai confessed his love for Marc to Marc's parents.  Although the scene itself was very tense and uncomfortable, it was so honorable and courageous how he did this.

It would have been great to see, but I am, for better or worse, a realist, and I think it would not have lasted.

I haven't decided in my own mind what Marc expected to do when he went back to Kay's after Bettina left him.  For sure (imo) they weren't ready for a mature, lasting relationship, Marc was ricocheting all over the place, from Kay to Bettina then back to Kay.  Even at the very end of the film he still has so much to learn about himself, he has barely started.  But there is hope, a great message for any film to deliver.

But yes, the scene when Kay tells Marc's parents he loves him - totally brave and sweet and lovely to hear him say that - and for Marc to hear it, although it just fucked Marc up even more than he already was!

Good to talk about this again...there are still a lot of things I haven't figured out, and I find that I'm still changing my mind about things after having all this time to think about it.  And really, I think about this damn movie way too much!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 18, 2014, 08:07:39 am
I agree that marc and kay need more time and more events to pring them togather if marc found kay in his apartment it is not going to be the sweet life that jack and kay wanted they needed to go through more to end up togather
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: tforster on August 18, 2014, 11:08:48 am
I really liked Freier Fall... but it did not affect me like Brokeback, I'm not sure why...? However, I've been really impacted by The Normal Heart and have pre-ordered the DVD due out next week. Matt Bomer and Mark Ruffalo were so beautiful in this film... as well as the remainder of the cast. If you've not seen I hope you will.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 19, 2014, 02:17:57 am
Britt was just a cover-up for Kai.  He only had eyes for Marc.  I think Kai was deeply in love with Marc but his lust for Marc did not make him gay, if I am understanding your comment (no punctuation, misspells and one run-on sentence are hard to read - just saying!). He was definitely gay before Marc.  I agree with you that he was completely devoted and loyal to Marc.  

Remember when he tried to confront Marc in that car scene on the side of the road?  Yo, he was so upset!  Like when he finally rolled down the window and started speaking, he sounded like he was about to start crying (saying no text, nothing, etc to Marc).  LOL (kind-of).  I imagine he had been home all pining away for Marc with tears in his eyes - just waiting by his phone for Marc to call or text. HA HA!  Acting like a high-school girl.  LOL!

I am sorry English is not my first language arabic is
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on August 19, 2014, 02:19:14 pm
Your English is better than my Arabic. ;)
:laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on August 30, 2014, 05:27:40 pm
ok, this thread has been quiet for too long.  This might be a repeat, but it's still great.


http://vimeo.com/87230239 (http://vimeo.com/87230239)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 02, 2014, 01:38:00 pm
ok, this thread has been quiet for too long.  This might be a repeat, but it's still great.



Yeah..this is one of the best. Can watch it over and over again.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 02, 2014, 01:44:06 pm
This one is also great. Beautiful music and the lyrics fit so well to the movie.

t=178
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 02, 2014, 07:25:50 pm
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fb/4f/df/fb4fdf8244f2a6229021ba4de06884c8.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 02, 2014, 10:49:17 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/51/2b/25/512b256f97d0edadaeac6a499e04062e.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 03, 2014, 04:04:39 pm

The creator of the video did such a perfect job timing the music with the scenes from the movie and with the singer. Amazing!!! It also makes me teary-eyed every time.

Yes, he did a perfect job. I always get tears in my eyes from this video too. The music makes it even more emotional.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 03, 2014, 04:09:20 pm
One scene I watch repeatedly is the hospital scene.  I can never get over their beautiful kiss.  When Kai tries to give Marc a quick and sweet kiss bye, Marc acts as if he is annoyed by it. Then, Marc strongly grabs and then gently pulls Kai's arm back to him for a better kiss. You totally do not see that coming and it has such a powerful impact on your heart.  It is one of most romantic, beautiful, loving and sensual kisses ever.  

I agree. I think  it is the favorite scene of many FF fans.
Too bad that "the woman in red" showed up to spoil it  :'(

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 03, 2014, 05:47:47 pm

No kidding!!! She just killed it!!  I was like (speaking as Marc), "Mom, you're early!!"    :laugh:


Way too early  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 03, 2014, 05:55:44 pm
One of the nice things of Freier Fall is that many scenes are open for interpretation.

I don't remember if we discussed it before, but why did Kay go to that gay bar while he knew there was going to be a raid?

My interpretation: he did it on purpose. Maybe it was Marc's rejection that triggered him. He wanted that everyone would know who/what he really was.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 03, 2014, 07:12:38 pm
I agree. I think  it is the favorite scene of many FF fans.
Too bad that "the woman in red" showed up to spoil it  :'(


it is my favorite scene in the movie , and the forest kiss.
but when I watch this scene I fell sad for kai,he went to the hospital , to see marc and see how bad his nose is, and when kai is being haret by the other guy in his face, marc through the keys at him and go.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 04, 2014, 03:19:30 am
poor kai  >:(
hospital scene he is so sweet and loving ,in the balcony scene marc was sooooo bad leaving him haret and go this way .
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 04, 2014, 08:44:26 am
I agree the raid was just for drugs. Kay wasn't caught doing anything illegal.
We know he was drunk but that's not illegal.
The big surprise was that he was gay.
The reason why I think he wanted people to know, is because I thinks it's logical.
He knew that the raid would be that night. He went to that bar exactly that night on purpose. So he knew he would be "caught".
The logical consequence of being caught, is that people will find out he is gay. So he wanted them to find out.

As I feel it and as I see Kai, it is something he would do. I think he wanted to provoke, which fits to Kai.
Watch his face the next morning in the classroom (the end of the scene). He look on this face was not devastated or ashamed, it seemed to me there was a kind of pride (like: that's how it is, take it or leave it).

Why he did it, we don't know and is open for interpretation.
How I feel it, it's hard to explain, he wanted to force or provoke something. He just couldn't let it happen: Marc dumping him and thinking now everything is normal again as if nothing happened. So Kai threw a bomb. He is just not the type you can dump nice and quietly. And...if it was his intention to get attention, he succeeded. Because a little while later Marc was sitting in his appartment.
Now I think of it, maybe this whole thing was only to get Marc's attention. (Remember his question at Marc: is this all you have to say?).

But...of course this is only my interpretation. I see Kai as someone who doesn't allow anyone to ignore him.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 04, 2014, 08:51:22 am
As far as it goes for Marc in the hospital, I think if not as a conscience effort, then certainly subconsciously.  He knew his mom was just around the corner! But Kai just feels soo good!! It's like, "(expletive deleted) Kay is worth the risk."


Interesting point, I never thought of that.
You might be right about subconsciously wanting to get caught by his mom.
But I'm not as romantic as you I guess  :), I think Marc was egostic at that time and if he wanted to get caught, it could be because he couldn't live with the ly/cheat sitation anymore.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 04, 2014, 09:02:32 am

 and when kai is being haret by the other guy in his face, marc through the keys at him and go.

Yes that was so sad for Kai, but I think it was the only way for Marc to deal with it. As if he had to shield his emotions and make the goodbye quick and aloof. Otherwise he would collapse again.
Look at Marc's face after he had left the appartment.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 04, 2014, 11:35:30 am
It occurred to me that Kai meant more behind his rhetorical aside to Marc asking if he'd ever heard of "infiltrating the system."  Eureka!  Not just a throw-away response by Kai, but a serious "mission" statement.  He is infiltrating the institutional system as a gay man.  At this point in the movie, you are thinking like Marc: he is just joking about it as him being a sort of rebel, flaunting some conventions and rules (light drug use, unauthorized use of the pool after hours, etc.).

Eureka! Great point.
I remember, when I watched the movie for the first time, I thought Kay's answer was kind of strange. If I have the definition of "infiltrating" right, it implies that he entered the system sort of "under false flag", as someone else then everybody thinks he is. That's different than just being a rebel, so I didn't understand why he used this word.
I think you are right about this. Eye opener.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 04, 2014, 06:14:49 pm

Aside from making any statement about himself, his goal is a response from Marc.


Exactly.

And indeed, the scene in the back of the police vehicle was very sad for Kai. He was on his own.

I think that Marc really might be a little concerned that Kai would talk about their relationship too, but yes, I think his biggest concern was what Kai was doing in that club.
Marc's face when he said: what were you doing there? Are you f*cking others too?" sais it all.
His response, when Kai said he didn't sleep with others, said it all. The moment he collapsed.
So yes, I think that was haunting him.





Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 04, 2014, 06:23:57 pm
Always something to "unpack" in this film. It's like a gift that keeps on giving. 

Every time I think I have it all figured out, a new point of view makes me think about things again (and sometimes change my mind) or a new detail shows up that I overlooked.
Really great.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 05, 2014, 10:08:29 am
why is marc looking ar kai this way ,what does he want kai to say or do I always wonder?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 06, 2014, 03:52:33 pm
Ok so, I'm a little bit of a freak here  :o but did anyone else think it was super sexy how Marc grabbed Bettina from behind in the room-painting scene and was forcible (in a good way) with her while attempting to give it to her from behind?  Here is why I thought it was hot:


Well, hello freak. You are at the right place here  :). Spoken about freaks: Butler and I discussed about 80 pages with now and then somebody else responding.
I have to think about your question. To me it was not sexy.
They said something about that scene in the German audio comments, I'll have to listen again. Will let you know.

And Marc is attractive, absolutely. (And Hanno is an amazing actor). But for me the hottest is Kai/Max  ::)


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 07, 2014, 06:24:42 am
Well, hello freak. You are at the right place here  :). Spoken about freaks: Butler and I discussed about 80 pages with now and then somebody else responding.
I have to think about your question. To me it was not sexy.
They said something about that scene in the German audio comments, I'll have to listen again. Will let you know.

And Marc is attractive, absolutely. (And Hanno is an amazing actor). But for me the hottest is Kai/Max  ::)



I agree with you ,I think it wasn't sexy at all, I was afraid for har when he did that I was afraid she will get heart she is pregnant and he took drugs, but marc deserve to be boshed away. :(
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 07, 2014, 07:10:23 am
I agree with you ,I think it wasn't sexy at all, I was afraid for har when he did that I was afraid she will get heart she is pregnant and he took drugs, but marc deserve to be boshed away. :(

Thanks omhamdy, of course you are totally right. This is exactly what happened. That's why I don't think it's sexy.

But I think I understand Alicat. Her approach is from Marc's point of view in relation to Kay.
In the comments they said something like that: Marc wanted to try out with Bettina what he was experiencing with Kai.
When I look at that scene, it's difficult for me to see it that way because of how he is treating his pregnant wife (with drugs in his blood!).
But, from Marc's point of view,  I agree with Alicat: Marc seems comfortable and experienced with this. It tells us something about his sexual relationship with kai, it makes it easy to imagine how they "do it".
So if I try to imagine this scene with Kay instead of Bettina, it is kind of sexy.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on September 07, 2014, 09:49:44 am
I agree the raid was just for drugs. Kay wasn't caught doing anything illegal.
Why he did it, we don't know and is open for interpretation.

I agree.  Kai knew and wanted to get "picked up"..Why?  (In order...of my feelings..)
> To provoke Mark into some action, any action other than complacency
> To provoke the squad and let them know he was gay
> To force Mark to come to terms, one way or the other with his own feelings.

I think you covered it well that Kai had made up his mind about how it felt about Mark and just could not "walk away".. this time.
V.  

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 07, 2014, 10:46:23 am
I agree.  Kai knew and wanted to get "picked up"..Why?  (In order...of my feelings..)
> To provoke Mark into some action, any action of complacency
> To provoke the squad and let them know he was gay
> To force Mark to come to terms, one way or the other with his own feelings.


Good to see that you are still around Vincent.
Thanks, I totally agree with you.
When Kai showed up at the babyparty, it seemed to me he was provoking too.
At the audio DVD version they said there was an extra scene at the baby party. Kai held a sort of speech to all the collegues about his being gay and that he loves Marc. (He hoped that it would trigger Marc to confess his feelings too). I don't know why they left that scene out.
So yes, I think he was trying to force things.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 07, 2014, 04:27:27 pm
Not silly, just another approach.
That's what makes discussing interesting, several point of views.


If they're not going to give us a sequel, here is an idea to mostly satisfy us:  Release a dvd with all of the deleted and cut scenes in their entireties.  As Butler (I think) previously mentioned, the filmmakers could then retire on the spot with the amount of money made from that alone.


That would be great  :P.
But who knows, maybe we will get that sequal.
They made a joke about in the audio comments (Freier Fall 2 in five years).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 07, 2014, 06:09:12 pm
I wish we could see all the deleted scenes, it will be great .
and for free fall 2  I don't know about German movies ,do they like to do part 2 to the success filmes.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 07, 2014, 07:24:29 pm

and for free fall 2  I don't know about German movies ,do they like to do part 2 to the success filmes.


I don't know if we can consider FF as a success movie. Of course, for a foreign movie, gay themed (limited audience) it did more than great.
But you can't compare it to a hollywood production or compare it to a movie like Broke Back Mountain.
On the other side, the director and actors didn't take this role for big money but for the challenge.
Lot's of people are asking for a sequal, so who knows. Let's hope  ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 08, 2014, 11:19:23 am
Yeahh!

Great pictures, especially the first two  :D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 08, 2014, 12:48:50 pm

Auslandseinsatz. Watch from 1.25.20.


https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DZMKmiVAOL28&h=oAQEFFUFG
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 08, 2014, 01:30:55 pm
Check 1.38  :o

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 08, 2014, 05:05:02 pm

Lookin' good, though (insert drooling emoticon here).



Lookin'good and....gay? Again?
Would be the third time in a movie (Summerstorm was the first).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: oilgun on September 08, 2014, 05:42:00 pm
Anybody know of a simple way to post FF pix to this forum?  ??? Kind Omhandy pm'd me a step-by-step process at my request but I still couldn't work it out.  Can anyone break it down for me like I am a 5 yr old?  I'm not as smart as I pretend to be.
 


1- Save the photo to your hard drive.
2- Register on an image hosting site such as Photobucket. It's free.
3- Once registered, click upload and drag and drop the image from your hard drive to your Photobucket library.
4- Once uploaded, click on view uploads. Select the image you want to share by clicking on it. The image will appear on screen with a series of links next to it on the right.
5- Select "Direct Link" and "copy".
6- Paste the link to your message on the forum.
7- Highlight the link and select the "picture frame" icon at the top of the message. The link should now be preceded by ['img]and followed by[/img'] (without the ')
8- Preview to make sure it worked and then post.

I hope this helps.  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 08, 2014, 05:57:01 pm
Lookin'good and....gay? Again?
Would be the third time in a movie (Summerstorm was the first).

is he gay again? and what is this movie abut ? I didn't understand ? ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: oilgun on September 08, 2014, 06:59:31 pm
Check this Max and Hanno montage out.  



They love each other so much!!

Nice!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on September 08, 2014, 10:23:28 pm
Just awesome - Thank You!  V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:16:33 am
is he gay again? and what is this movie abut ? I didn't understand ? ::)

I did some research and it's a new German movie (not in cinema's yet) about a gay guy (not Hanno) who falls in love with a woman.
I don't know if Hanno has a big part in it.
If you watch the trailer you will see a very quick shot of Hanno. Quick but clear.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:26:59 am
Think he's trying to tell us something here? 



I have no idea. As far as I know he is straight and father of a daughter.
I guess, playing gay roles doesn't mean he is gay in real life too.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:30:37 am
Alicat: thanks for the pics  :).
The compilation video is great, the parts of Auslandseinsatz in it are beautiful too.
I hope we will see them together in a movie again.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 09, 2014, 11:43:08 am
Alicat: thanks for the pics  :).
The compilation video is great, the parts of Auslandseinsatz in it are beautiful too.
I hope we will see them together in a movie again.
yes there is some thing nice when they are togather , I wish I could express my feling in arabic ,  :laugh:
They look great togather ,
 I want to ask some thing after kai apartment fight scene when they kissed ,did that mean they made love after that or not marc gust left.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 09, 2014, 12:58:50 pm
The filmmaker leaves that to our imagination.  :( LOL!


the way it was going marc can't get enough of kai sooooo ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 09, 2014, 04:15:37 pm
how can any one say no to that smile♥♥♥♥
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 05:09:32 pm
how can any one say no to that smile♥♥♥♥

No way to say no to this.

(http://data2.whicdn.com/images/87303027/thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 05:20:43 pm
Maannn, you guys are way too hung up on Kay/Max.  I'm telling you, Marc/Hanno is where it's at!!!

So you think Hanno is more attractive than Max? Or do you like Hanno more in the movie?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:02:24 pm
Sorry, one of my Max-attacks again.

An old one, but so cute.

t=28
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:06:08 pm
Marc seems to want to completely consume Kay

We'll, I can't blame him.

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/67/6a/02/676a022a4e33ee5a9f5f3bdbe3a95eb1.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:09:50 pm
Hanno for the win, baby!!!

Hanno's so hot it hurts! Not exaggerating. :'(

I'm just jealous of Max.  Grrr, not fair! He got be with Hanno.  Hanno is scary hot!!

Ok, one  for you then.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5SvJxt5FQ6aqzZmu7ob_xZPaRz1CZfLEwbKi9jj5XsttMGiLNGw)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:26:38 pm
Thanks friend!! And THAT was one of my favorites.  Just smoldering!! You can almost read his mind in that one.  


Yes, you could see the wheels turning in his head.
This is one of my favorite scenes too, amazing how they manage to create such a tension just by body language and facial expressions.

And watch Kai's face when he said (in the car): "it was beautiful". As if he is almost begging Marc to confirm that it was.
And then Marc's face (his eyes) and the almost invisible nodding.

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/42/17/b34217c12b234ddcd44fc03ddb4546c2.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 09, 2014, 06:38:58 pm
One more for tonight.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/4387cef0380217557543134009bc73f9/tumblr_n7sup4gweU1tczkl5o1_r2_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 09, 2014, 06:40:37 pm
hanno is very handsome ,but max is different I think he was made of honey you could get dibetes gust looking at him :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 10, 2014, 10:48:17 am
Max is super, super sweet, indeed.  He has the most angelic, innocent-looking face. Perfect characterization Omhamdy, Max really does look like he is made of honey!! Hanno looks like pure sex to me. These guys are sometimes too much for me to take.  

Thanks for the pics and commentary.  Yes, Kay is looking to Marc like he wants Marc to feel the same way about what they did together, wanting Marc to be in the same place emotionally he is and feel as high he feels. It also looks like he's hating having to let him leave and already anticipating their next time together.  I love how Marc can only respond with the glow in his eyes.  It says more than any confirming words he could ever say.


I love how Kay watches Marc leave through both of his car mirrors.  He can't take his eyes off him.




yes I love this mirror scene,  I love theway kai looks at him when he say it was nice or beautiful  they both can act with thier eyes more than words can say
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on September 10, 2014, 01:00:49 pm
sorry if it's been posted before... well done ->
&index=26
V.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 10, 2014, 02:33:52 pm
Max is super, super sweet, indeed.  He has the most angelic, innocent-looking face. Perfect characterization Omhamdy, Max really does look like he is made of honey!! Hanno looks like pure sex to me. These guys are sometimes too much for me to take.  

Thanks for the pics and commentary.  Yes, Kay is looking to Marc like he wants Marc to feel the same way about what they did together, wanting Marc to be in the same place emotionally as he is and feel as high he feels. It also looks like he's hating having to let him leave and already anticipating their next time together.  I love how Marc can only respond with the glow in his eyes.  It says more than any confirming words he could ever say.


I love how Kay watches Marc leave through both of his car mirrors.  He can't take his eyes off him.


I  admit that some times , marc can be so sexy
in the bed scene, every time i see it, all i can see and focus on is marc, the scene was all about marc
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 03:13:53 pm

I  admit that some times , marc can be so sexy
in the bed scene, every time i see it, all i can see and focus on is marc, the scene was all about marc

I agree with you that Marc was the most "present" in that scene (don't know how else to say it).
In this particular scene I thought Hanno was very, very convincing. It looked  like he wanted Kay for diner.
Of course Max made it all up with that last glance.

I think the two of them have different characters.
Marc is kind of explosive, emotional and Kai is more quiet, controlled, subtle. Maybe that's why Marc looks more present sometimes.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 03:14:40 pm
Senior Ranch Hand status now, Baby!! Woo hoo!  Don't look now, Butler and Mariska, I'm on yer heels!!!

 8)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 03:18:46 pm
Max is super, super sweet, indeed.  He has the most angelic, innocent-looking face.

Somewhere else I said that once, that Max looks sweet and innocent. I almost got SHOT! :laugh:
Well, he looks half sweet and half naughty (as Kay).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 03:24:12 pm
sorry if it's been posted before... well done ->
&index=26
V.

Thanks for posting, great video and beautiful song (lyrics are made for Marc/Kay).
There is another one with this song (with Tanner Patrick and parts from FF) but that one isn't accessible anymore.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 03:34:37 pm
I post this link because I love it.

http://morrobay1990.livejournal.com/143547.html
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 10, 2014, 03:40:30 pm
but max is different I think he was made of honey you could get dibetes gust looking at him 



quote author=mariska link=topic=52393.msg661696#msg661696 date=1410376726]
Somewhere else I said that once, that Max looks sweet and innocent. I almost got SHOT! :laugh:
Well, he looks half sweet and half naughty (as Kay).
[/quote]
hahahaha and that what I said abut max I could got killed
 :-* :-*


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 03:46:45 pm
but max is different I think he was made of honey you could get dibetes gust looking at him 



quote author=mariska link=topic=52393.msg661696#msg661696 date=1410376726]
Somewhere else I said that once, that Max looks sweet and innocent. I almost got SHOT! :laugh:
Well, he looks half sweet and half naughty (as Kay).

hahahaha and that what I said abut max I could got killed
 :-* :-*


 :laugh: :laugh:
Definately. What you said, is even worse. "He looks like he was made of honey".

Well, we won't get killed here I think. As long as we respect each others opinions.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 03:59:58 pm
I wish I could express my feling in arabic ,  :laugh:


I know what you mean  ;).
But look at it this way: it's a great way to practice our English  8)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 04:33:26 pm
This one is really amazing BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR SPEAKERS ON.  The music makes it!!



Oh that's really gorgeous.
Slow motion and music  make it even more beautiful.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 04:36:20 pm
Spot on! I said in a previous post - yin and yang.  I love that about Marc I guess because I am similar to that.  I think that is one of many things Kay loves about Marc and attracts Kay to him.  Marc seems like Kay has blown his mind and rocked his world!!

Yes, exactly, yin and yang.
Even in real life.
In the audio comments Hanno talks all the time. Max doesn't talk much but makes dry jokes.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 10, 2014, 04:39:02 pm
Oh yes, thanks for posting - I've been following her continuation story, too.  It's amazing.  Lacant needs to give her a call for FF2 (which won't happen, probably)  :'(

Oh great that you read and love it too.
I'm not into fanfic that much, but this really could be a sequel.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 11, 2014, 07:54:46 am
I think it is the best one alongside the Tanner Patrick one (which apparently is no longer available? dang it!)



I don't like this one as much as the Christina Aguilera one; too much tanner Patrick, I don't want to see the singer.  I think the choice of scenes and the sequence they're shown is better in the CA one, too.  but he's still out there.

Tanner Patrick - Say Something (from the movie 'Free Fall' "Freier Fall")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVh_zs1kxsE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVh_zs1kxsE)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 12, 2014, 03:39:12 am
they are hitting each other and see kai's look ,  ::)
may be he wanted to kiss him not to hit him.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 12, 2014, 09:16:49 am
Omhamdy, I am so glad you posted that picture because I noticed that before, too.  Kai is staring right at Marc's lips.  Marc is completely oblivious to what's on Kai's mind.  Marc wants to fight him and Kai wants to kiss him. Kai already had feelings for Marc.
yes he is, they are fighting and kai look is very obvious
he should be looking in his eyes , not to his lips, that way he had feeling for him befour even the somke kiss.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 12, 2014, 06:57:20 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/a2/025da24e01a06bafda00ab805cee5693.jpg)
nice pic he looks so handsome :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 12, 2014, 07:51:02 pm
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/u4BeOUAsHgQ/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 12, 2014, 07:58:44 pm
(http://queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com/wp/docs/2013/02/berlinale-2013-01-618x670.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 13, 2014, 10:28:20 am
(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/originals/29/31/22/2931227ac3e1e2155fb0ebf9fbb25e1c.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 13, 2014, 12:04:53 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/originals/29/31/22/2931227ac3e1e2155fb0ebf9fbb25e1c.jpg)
thanks I was looking for that one ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 13, 2014, 02:45:35 pm
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D5Dk9dOfGX0/UthPnKmEO0I/AAAAAAAAK3M/qeHGAeKxy8g/s1600/Freier+fall.jpg8.jpg)

Mamaaaaa  :-\
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 13, 2014, 02:48:14 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/a2/025da24e01a06bafda00ab805cee5693.jpg)

What a gorgeous picture of Hanno  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 13, 2014, 08:00:28 pm
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9a/06/2b/9a062bf59ba589df87977c1170e83e68.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 14, 2014, 03:46:18 pm
From Hanno's facebook.

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 15, 2014, 08:28:45 am
on max facebook today
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 15, 2014, 10:26:50 am
 But I always fast forward afterwards because that creepy, shocked look on her face in the elevator is just too much. It freaks me out.  She looks possessed - lol.  .


Did you know that the acrice who played Marc's mom, Maren Kroymann, is a lesbien in real life?
I read somewhere that a lot of people in German cinema's laughed with the elevator moment. The look on her face was priceless.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 15, 2014, 10:44:48 am

I don't know, Hanno looks like he's kinda douchey, here.  WAAYYY to confident-appearing to me.  He seems to me like he might be a bit on the conceited side.  Not trying to be judgmental, but that's the impression I've gotten from this and other instances.  I like Max's personality better.  Max comes across as unpretentious and relatable.  Hanno just seems like he likes himself too much.  For good reason, though. :laugh:


Now I have to stand up for Hanno.
I know what you mean, he seems very confident. But I think Hanno is just very spontaneous and open. He doesn't "feel" arrogant or conceived to me.
And he looks a little douchey at this picture, but I must say...I love it. And that smile. He is shining. Maybe that's why I think he is just enthusiastic.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 15, 2014, 12:28:30 pm
Quote from: alicat link=tobic=52393.msg661798#msg661798 date=1410786267

Mariska, funny enough I actually liked hearing him run after his mom.  It was just so real.  But I always fast forward afterwards because that creepy, shocked look on her face in the elevator is just too much. It freaks me out.  She looks possessed - lol.  What I really like, too, is that look on Kai's face.  I can only guess what he is thinking.  He's probably like, "dang, hope this doesn't mess up what we've got going."  :laugh:
alicat you made me laugh loud :laugh:
she looks evi,l and max look is funny
as if he is saying what abad day, this creasy woman is going to destroy it all
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 15, 2014, 06:19:58 pm
What do think Kai is thinking here?

The thought bubble I would place above his head is, "No worries! He'll be back for more."



[/quote

Or he thought: damn! Why is he running, it's my turn now.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on September 15, 2014, 09:36:46 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/30/a3/c0/30a3c0a3fc52ed08e6069bba8cdbbabd.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 16, 2014, 03:20:31 pm
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/30/a3/c0/30a3c0a3fc52ed08e6069bba8cdbbabd.jpg)
very sweet smile guys  :D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 16, 2014, 05:38:40 pm
 :) :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 17, 2014, 05:07:19 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 17, 2014, 05:08:35 pm
 :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 21, 2014, 10:49:27 am
 ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 21, 2014, 03:30:07 pm
(https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-g.ak/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10342942_879170648779159_9126147913323048966_n.jpg?oh=82708f04071838936607e152f2f918fe&oe=548BC00E&__gda__=1418960054_3d37386746f8ffddd5c921404c5205cc)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 23, 2014, 01:58:26 am
Kay waits for Marc at their favorite tree in the forest.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TeD5veKYloM/UqtFFq1usXI/AAAAAAAA3gk/eSGXcSz-258/s1600/FREIEN+FALL.jpg)



great jop alicat loved every photo
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 23, 2014, 05:04:54 pm
Thanks for the great pics.

And the lines, especially about the favorite tree  8).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 23, 2014, 05:06:30 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/e110085a1f921653a8ecca23abb2b219/tumblr_nacu2goC331sq41kno1_1280.png)

This is my favorite one!
Max's eyes, priceless. I loved that scene, especially this part.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 24, 2014, 07:23:26 am

That's where Marc will propose to Kay.


kai ♥♥♥♥marc  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on September 24, 2014, 12:06:03 pm
Each on the other's mind

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ee/51/92/ee5192977587428ff77abbb21ca71a3d.jpg)
loved your comment very true  ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: southendmd on September 24, 2014, 12:44:45 pm
Pushin' more Marc and Kay dope...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xKYypVyHIO4/UqtMBJxV7DI/AAAAAAAA3hY/BSnZZAgBrPs/s1600/Freier+Fall++Film++Trailer++critic_de%5B(001306)01-58-49%5D.JPG)

That scene is so hot, I can hardly stand it!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on September 26, 2014, 06:08:55 am
...he's envious


 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 01, 2014, 11:18:38 am
A very young Max in one of his first movies.
Watch from 4.10.

t=250
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 01, 2014, 03:09:49 pm
A very young Max in one of his first movies.
Watch from 4.10.

t=250
Omg omg he is soooooo sweet young max
 little darling
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 01, 2014, 03:11:19 pm
Very nice.  I like the way Max kisses her better than the way he kisses Marc.  Much sweeter and more sensitive.  I guess it's kind of like the hospital kiss, but better.  That ruled!
no thing like the hospital kiss  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 01, 2014, 04:22:49 pm
I know. It was BETTER!

And...what about this one  ::). 0.58.

t=63

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 01, 2014, 04:24:47 pm
Omg omg he is soooooo sweet young max
 little darling

Yes, isn't he?
I can imagine all teenage German girls adored him.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 01, 2014, 04:32:13 pm
From the same year as Freier Fall: heiter bis wolkig.
Max making faces, so funny.

t=12

Another trailer from that movie with english subs.



I watched that movie a few times, it's really great.

Within a few weeks premiere of Max's new movie "to Live".
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 01, 2014, 04:36:21 pm
Bringin mad flirting skills to this match

(http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/1660383_777064702309394_83863652_n.jpg)

(http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/1538374_284870291664737_201484298_n.jpg)

That so funny, I didn't notice in the movie, but Hanno really has a "flirting look" at these pictures.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 01, 2014, 04:41:08 pm
Very nice.  I like the way Max kisses her better than the way he kisses Marc.  Much sweeter and more sensitive.  I guess it's kind of like the hospital kiss, but better.  That ruled!

All the FF kisses rule. Much more intense. My favorites are the akward kissing the first time when Kai tried to seduce Marc and the kiss in the bar bathroom. So real.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 02, 2014, 09:45:33 am
And...what about this one  ::). 0.58.

t=63



mariska
what the name of this film in english ???
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 02, 2014, 02:14:25 pm
mariska
what the name of this film in english ???

Up up to the sky (2008)  ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 05, 2014, 03:18:58 pm
Watching FF for my billionth time right now. What an addiction! It's like, I have a life but.....c'mon man, Marc and Kay!!!

meeee tooooooooooo
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 05, 2014, 04:10:59 pm
Watching FF for my billionth time right now. What an addiction! It's like, I have a life but.....c'mon man, Marc and Kay!!!

When I'm going to watch a movie, I always have the intention to watch another one. Anything but FF. I always end up watching Free Fall.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 05, 2014, 04:23:56 pm
My Free Fall secrets.

1. I like the "pussy" thing (I know many hate it).
2. I always skip the Marc/Bettina love scene.
3. I stop watching after the hospital scene.
4. I love the bar/bathroom scene so much I watch it at least 3 times in a row.
5. I find negative reviews annoying (very immature, I know).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 05, 2014, 06:00:36 pm
I accidentally stumbled upon Free Fall about 3 months ago, and I have been watching this movie every free chance I have.  I can't believe the impact this movie has on me.  Not only it has a great story line, I just love watching Max and Hanno; they have such chemistry.  Since then I have been watching all of Max's movies, including Napolla, the Wave, Urban Explorer, Red Cockatoo, My German Friend.....to name a few.  I have also becoming so interested in learning German.  I just love the sound of it - maybe because Max is speaking it.  I have taken up learning German on my spare time. 

Mariska, like you, I love hearing Kai calling Marc "pussy"
I always skip the Marc/Bettina love scene
I also stop watching after the hospital scene
I was reading all of the comments, and can't believe how many people are just like me out there.  For a while, I was wondering if this is normal since I have NEVER liked a movie this much before.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 05, 2014, 06:16:05 pm
My Free Fall secrets.

1. I like the "pussy" thing (I know many hate it).
2. I always skip the Marc/Bettina love scene.
3. I stop watching after the hospital scene.
4. I love the bar/bathroom scene so much I watch it at least 3 times in a row.
5. I find negative reviews annoying (very immature, I know).
oh god mariska I do much the same
I love the pussy word coming from kai so adorable
I hate bettina scenes ever never wach it
after the hospital scene I go to the last scene with narc give back the key
hospital kisss I wach over and over
bar bathroom kiss I love to see in slow motion
I never read negative reviews
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 06, 2014, 03:52:49 pm

I was reading all of the comments, and can't believe how many people are just like me out there.  For a while, I was wondering if this is normal since I have NEVER liked a movie this much before.


Hi, welcome to this place  :).
No, you are absolutely not the only one. Normally I watch a movie once, sometimes twice.
This one I watched ...... I don't know exactly how many times and that's good because it's really embarrassing.
I don't know if it is normal, but if it isn't: I don't really care  8).

Did you see all the Max movies with English subs?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 06, 2014, 04:08:18 pm
So funny that we all do the same things (makes it less embarrassing).

Omhamdy, maybe I should stop reading the negative reviews too.
And yes, it is adorable, the way Kai says "pussy".

About Bettina: it is not that I don't like her. I do like Katharina Schuttler as an actrice (she played her role very well).
But I don't want to watch that love scene.




Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 06, 2014, 04:27:14 pm

7) Most watched scene on repeat:  Kay's pursuit of Marc in the forest and all that....

Oh well, I confess, I watch that at least five times.

I really hate negative reviews of the film, too, because I feel like these people just don't get it.  I think most of the criticism is unwarranted and I become really suspect of those critics.

I agree, they just don't understand the movie.
Of course not everyone likes it, but a lot of the criticism seems unwarranted to me too.
A lot of complaints about the ending. Ok, a little better ending for Marc/Kai would have been nice, but it doesn't make the movie less good. The ending makes sense, it fits to the rest of the movie and is not really negative. After all it's Marc's story, at the end he left his family, he left the life that choked him. And from that point, anything is possible. Sometimes you have to loose everything to start all over.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 06, 2014, 04:37:23 pm
OK so... who thinks Marc will eventually find Kay?

I think Marc will definitely find Kay.  But if he can't find him, I think Kay will find Marc because he misses him so much that he wants to give him another chance.  I think Kay loves Marc in a way that won't die.

Sigh.....

Either way, they will be back together.

I don't think Kai will try to find Marc. Kai made up his mind and left. He was done with it. And he thinks Marc is still with his family.
I don't think Marc will try to find Kai either, just maybe after a while. Everyone wonders why Marc didn't call Kai, I think Marc didn't want to call him. He knew Kai wanted commitment and I don't think Marc was ready for that.

But sometimes fate helps. I'm sure they will get back together again sooner or later.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 06, 2014, 06:10:16 pm
I don't know...I don't like that answer :'(  In my mind, they are back together. I don't think Kay is over it like that.  They have to find each other, they just HAVE to. I won't listen. :(

The ending, I thought, was perfect.  I hated it in a way because I wanted them together but the end was one no one saw coming.  It was very triumphant for Marc.



Sorry you don't like my answer  :).
I don't mean Kai was over it, but he gave up hope when Marc returned the key. And he was done with being Marcs secret lover.
As far as Marc concerns, I'm a Dutch, sober-minded person and I try to think realistic. I know that situations like this are very complex. My belief is that people have to deal with their own sh*t first before they have something to offer to someone else. Marc left his family, and even if it was the best thing to do, it is a loss. After being with women all his life, he fel in love with a guy. Don't you think that Marc needs time to figure out what he wants from life? Who he is?
Someone wrote in a review: leaving his family was the best we could expect from Marc. Getting in a real relationship with Kai would have been too much and would have made it unrealistic. I agree with that.
Vincent posted some good comments about this subject.

But, also wrote that I do see them together. Just not immediately.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 06, 2014, 11:05:17 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http://politiken.dk/kultur/filmogtv/ECE2179033/free-fall-skuespiller-homoseksualitet-bliver-reduceret-til-ren-klich/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmax%2Briemelt%2Band%2Bhanno%2Bkoffle%2Binterviews%26start%3D50%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1C5CHFA_enUS605US605%26espv%3D2%26biw%3D1164%26bih%3D565
I'm not sure if you're able to get this link.  According to this interview with Max, many of the scenes were improvised on the set; his favorite one is the one when Kay & Marc were at the academy, Kay leaned over to help light up his own cigarette, and he gave that glance to Marc.  The whole scene was improvise.  That was so adorable!

I read from another interview that Max admitted that he didn't like the fact that his character was always the passive on in bed; he talked with the director, but then he also realized that his character was the more experienced one, whereas Marc was not; so Kay was giving Marc the authority to do what he wanted.    Actually I was also wondering about that in the movie as well.....
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 07, 2014, 08:07:58 am
Great interview, thanks for posting it and in the translated version. 

But as far as Kay “always being the passive one in bed”, I don’t see it that way at all.  Maybe a little in the bed scene, and I like this "then he also realized that his character was the more experienced one, whereas Marc was not; so Kay was giving Marc the authority to do what he wanted" \......but the forest and club scene he was most definitely aggressive. 

Even the first kiss with the joint, Kay knew what he wanted and was going for it...planting the seed in Marc's mind...and with every meeting he got more and more insistent.  Compare the time he asked Marc for a light before they went in the pool, to the time he takes a cigarette out of Marc's pocket, grabs his hand and holds it as he lights it - classic come-on, and very sexual.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 07, 2014, 09:35:06 am


Here's a look at his new movie translated, The Second Man.  Wonder when this will be released in U.S.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 07, 2014, 05:59:43 pm
aawwww... I think you are right.  I am inserting too much of myself into this story. I would turn this world upside down looking for Kay and not stop until I found him if I were Marc.....but I am not Marc, of course.  

I just want them together and am willing to fight for them, probably more than they themselves are willing.  That's pretty sad. LOL


Ali, I just give my point of view. You are totally free to have your's.
After all, we want the same. Getting them back together.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 07, 2014, 06:05:22 pm


Here's a look at his new movie translated, The Second Man.  Wonder when this will be released in U.S.

Thanks for the interview, very nice to know that they improvised so much.
I wish we could see all of it, all they tried.

Thanks for the trailer too, I haven't seen this before.
I did some research and it's a tv movie from 2012. The actrice is Dutch, just like me.
Maybe I will order the dvd from Germany.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 07, 2014, 06:07:22 pm
:-\ That was really, really strange.   :o

Because...?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 07, 2014, 08:00:59 pm
maybe because Max is fucking a woman instead of Hanno......
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 07, 2014, 08:07:10 pm
According to what I have read about this new movie, it's about how this woman is drugging Max into this grand scheme, and she's also into s&m.  You can see how shocked he was when she first bit him on the neck; he was also high on drugs at the time.  
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 07, 2014, 08:15:07 pm
As Mariska pointed out, it's not a new movie.  It was made for German TV in 2012, doubt it will show up here.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 07, 2014, 08:25:44 pm


Here's Hanno speaking English at an interview for Summer Storm.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 07, 2014, 08:32:14 pm
So you're the one who left that comment. 

He's just confident, sure of himself all the time...that is not "douchy"...a repulsive word, btw, but only to some...
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 07, 2014, 10:23:01 pm
http://m-maenner.de/2013/05/wir-haben-uns-lieb/

Here's the interview that I was talking about earlier.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 08, 2014, 09:15:00 am
OK so... who thinks Marc will eventually find Kay?

I think Marc will definitely find Kay.  But if he can't find him, I think Kay will find Marc because he misses him so much that he wants to give him another chance.  I think Kay loves Marc in a way that won't die.

Sigh.....

Either way, they will be back together.
hi ali
marc will find kai even if he didn't look for him
The two of thim in the police and can come togather in work
and I think Marc will miss him so much
and maybe kai will try to know some information abut marc and bettina
they will get togather for sure
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 08, 2014, 03:30:46 pm
(https://nocturneworlddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/bzpm_4qiuaenlvp-jpg-large.jpeg)
Soooo sweet  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 08, 2014, 03:40:43 pm
So funny that we all do the same things (makes it less embarrassing).

Omhamdy, maybe I should stop reading the negative reviews too.
And yes, it is adorable, the way Kai says "pussy".

About Bettina: it is not that I don't like her. I do like Katharina Schuttler as an actrice (she played her role very well).
But I don't want to watch that love scene.






hi mariska
yes stop reading negative reviews ,it doesn’t mean any thing to me ,I love this movei,
Bettina I didn't like her any way
But I can understand how she feels ,but she must let him go
and the pussy word is :-*
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 08, 2014, 03:45:11 pm
Thanks for the clarification Altgerman.  I was thinking things were something like that. I hated seeing darling (as our friend Omhamdy would say) Max being all used and turned out like that.  But...it was just a movie. He looked kinda into it, though. :laugh:
;D yes
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 08, 2014, 05:54:17 pm
Awesome!!!  ;)

I know, isn't the caption so sweet and so true?  I wish they could just say it!!
yes and I loved it soooo much when marc started to use it, when they were runing happy togather in the forest :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 11, 2014, 11:59:56 am
Breath evenly 18is posted ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 13, 2014, 10:24:12 am
FF Confession: Sometimes I just stare at the pictures and think about how beautiful they are together. 
I saw the video of max and a woman in the TV movie I didn't like max with the woman  ???
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 13, 2014, 03:48:03 pm
It's offical. Max Riemelt is the most gorgeous person on this planet.
I want to watch that movie as soon as possible.


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10177407_854067757945896_328383268110838201_n.jpg?oh=95a231ab8b76acd2635abbf1caedf55c&oe=54B68AD0&__gda__=1421913472_e8d92f5d4f6074371894becb2e2965b8)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 14, 2014, 02:58:40 am
It's offical. Max Riemelt is the most gorgeous person on this planet.
I want to watch that movie as soon as possible.


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10177407_854067757945896_328383268110838201_n.jpg?oh=95a231ab8b76acd2635abbf1caedf55c&oe=54B68AD0&__gda__=1421913472_e8d92f5d4f6074371894becb2e2965b8)
yes he is
how is that lady in the movie , is she his mother?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 15, 2014, 06:07:52 pm
yes he is
how is that lady in the movie , is she his mother?

No, she is an actrice. They play together in "Auf das Leben", in English "to Life".
Premiere will be end of October in Berlin.

Trailer (only in German so far):

t=11



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 23, 2014, 03:04:01 am
This one's for you Omhamdy

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Thanks ali
very,beautiful
I loved it  :D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 23, 2014, 10:52:44 am
And this one for you Ali.

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 23, 2014, 10:57:25 am
Sooo sad!!! Looks like Marc moved on Kai has been replaced.  :'( :laugh:

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Kai/Max is irreplaceble. This guy doesn't look good with Hanno.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 23, 2014, 11:18:27 am
Quote from: alicat link=topic=52393.msg662 58#msg662758 date=1414076923
Awww!! Awww!! LOVE LOVE LOVE!!! Hanno is soo perfect and beautiful in every way. I love his preppie style - so classic and tasteful. Thank u!!!

Yes Marc and Kay are irreplaceable.  I was only kidding in that photo.  I hated seeing that KID in his "arms". 

Yes indeed, it's just a KID!
And I like that pic of Hanno too, such a gorgeous smile  ::).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 23, 2014, 11:25:51 am

 MUCH, MUCH BETTER!!!



 :D 8)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: omhamdy on October 23, 2014, 07:00:17 pm
I love the intensity of Kay's deep stare into Marc's eyes.  He's so confident in who he is and who he wants.  He challenges Marc to rise up to his level because he loves him so much.
Yeah ali, that look in kai eyes he is so confident .
And marc look gust say ,please give me a chance.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 23, 2014, 11:42:49 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.spiesser.de.k2018.ims-firmen.de/artikel/video-interview-max-riemelt%3Fpage%3D6,3&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmax%2Briemelt%2Binterview%26start%3D266%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1C5CHFA_enUS605US605%26espv%3D2%26biw%3D1164%26bih%3D576 
found this.....only hope someone can translate his responses.   Scroll down to see 1 through 11 questions; too bad don't know what he says.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 25, 2014, 07:02:59 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.spiesser.de.k2018.ims-firmen.de/artikel/video-interview-max-riemelt%3Fpage%3D6,3&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmax%2Briemelt%2Binterview%26start%3D266%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1C5CHFA_enUS605US605%26espv%3D2%26biw%3D1164%26bih%3D576 
found this.....only hope someone can translate his responses.   Scroll down to see 1 through 11 questions; too bad don't know what he says.

Thanks for posting this.
I will try to translate but it will not be complete because I don't  understand all he says. German and English are not my fist languages so it will take some time.

Starting with the last one, Max's question to us:

"Is the internet really so important"?


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on October 25, 2014, 08:50:32 pm
Thanks Mariska! Take your time; I know it will be worth it. :-)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on October 26, 2014, 08:15:14 pm
No comment.... :o

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: alicat on October 28, 2014, 09:30:02 am

This movie has been killed for me by negative, petty, spiteful people (YOU know who you are).
Freier Fall meant the world to me.  I'm done.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:15:17 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:22:20 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:25:20 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:25:48 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:27:54 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:28:10 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:28:46 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 30, 2014, 09:30:23 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 31, 2014, 10:18:26 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 31, 2014, 10:19:28 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 31, 2014, 10:20:39 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on October 31, 2014, 10:22:18 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 02, 2014, 12:31:52 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 02, 2014, 12:41:10 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 02, 2014, 12:47:26 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 02, 2014, 12:51:19 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 02, 2014, 03:18:53 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on November 02, 2014, 06:54:09 pm
http://vk.com/maxriemelt84

Check out his newest pictures!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 19, 2014, 11:04:55 am
this thread used to be fun..


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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 19, 2014, 11:29:10 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 19, 2014, 11:30:28 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 19, 2014, 11:31:12 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 19, 2014, 11:32:55 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 19, 2014, 11:35:04 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 29, 2014, 11:55:42 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 05:28:15 pm
A few reviews are in for Auf das Leben...lame google translate and spoilers



Life's too late when they wear you out of the apartment. So at least thinks Ruth (Hannelore Elsner), which without achieving great wealth repaired in a small workshop stringed instruments. A profession that she inherited from her father. Actually, in a young and still hopeful life, she was a cabaret singer and sang Yiddish songs about love, pain and transience. Until she met the man at a concert, they blamed for the deaths of their parents in Auschwitz. His remorse she saw as hypocrisy and stabbed him.

After eight years in prison, she was another woman. The events of her childhood, when she threw the mother with the phrase "You shall live" from deportation truck, they are still looking for home. Then there is the realization that life as a Jew after the war, especially in the land of the perpetrators, not pink Rand. Deep sleep is its enemy, which is why there is not a bed in her apartment. A comfortable armchair enough. Jonas (Max Riemelt), occasional furniture mover is more of a casual acquaintance. When she is driven from home and workshop, she wants to end her life. The Jonas can even MS-sick and desperate, just avoid yet. When his car, which serves him as a home, is stolen, he moves abruptly to her in her ugly social housing.

Uwe Janson film is far from the stereotype. The Harold and Maude-topic, young man and old woman is played softly and untertourig, much more emphasis on the film dialogues pointed, sharp criticism of the ignorance of the people and the possibility of salvation. To life! is not a trivial toast, here block is filled with content.

Producer Alice Brown is the daughter of film producer Artur Brauner and here leads the major theme of her father with the help of family continued. Her cousin Sharon Brauner plays the young Ruth great especially in the vocal scenes of flashbacks. The trauma of fascism, the message of the film, are not relics of a bygone era. If Hannelore Elsner yells the word Jew in the world, loud and over again, then this is enough to cause goose bumps. Together with Max Riemelt but the film remains radically currently so difficult for a simple categorization. Janson tells the story of an unlikely friendship, full of gentleness and understanding.

But missing from the film at all structured liability, a narrative depth. Jonas' lost love and his illness are not enough in contrast to the social trauma Ruth to balance this weight. As a result, the film loses some balance and threatens to slip in generalities. It is thanks to the ensemble that he still has inventory at the end.

http://www.epd-film.de/filmkritiken/auf-das-leben (http://www.epd-film.de/filmkritiken/auf-das-leben)
















Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 05:33:11 pm
http://filmtabs.blogspot.de/2014/11/auf-das-leben.html (http://filmtabs.blogspot.de/2014/11/auf-das-leben.html)

"When I was little, wanted to kill me by all means this country. Now that I am old, put me in a room with bars and no sharp corners and edges, just so I do not kill myself. "" A positive development, I would say. "There are dialogues like this, the light in the new film by film and scene-director Uwe Janson.

The old cabaret singer Ruth Weintraub (Hannelore Elsner) is "mentally healthy and organic" plugged in psychiatry because she wanted to kill herself after attachment and moving into a terrible Wohnsilo. It saves the housing-target- and soon unemployed movers Jonas (Max Riemelt). Jonas has deposed at the first sign of multiple sclerosis, which was also his mother died from his girlfriend and now flees fear. now Jonas is similar but in a surprising manner Ruth's great love, the film student Victor, what can rain down a flood of memories of the old lady and the desperate boy.

Rarely has a flashback was used as precise here with a film projector running backwards, the Victors film about the young Yiddish singer Ruth (Sharon Brauner) shows. From there it goes into a black and white nightmare even further back to the deportation of their Jewish parents and one's own escape with the help of partisans. The proud woman, signature role for Elsner, as Holocaust survivors was strong throughout their lives, buckled a short, but then but enough energy to drive the self-pity of Jonas.

"I do not know myself so out with the whole Jewish ..." "Do not worry, is not contagious." So sarcastic, mocking wonderful, much-needed reminder would be fun if the nightmares of the Holocaust were not so terrible. Uwe Janson tries on a book by Thorsten Wettcke to combine the two and can rely on good actors. This is partly sad love story, sometimes easier to simple encouragement by and for survivors. The problematic basic data are well placed Mathieu Carriere as a Jew Hunter and in the post-war Republic celebrated photographer of terror. The problem of a pacifist with the vengeance of a disenfranchised. But celebrate the survival of a catchy song and a very aesthetic final setting is a solution really very simple.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 05:38:24 pm
this reviewer didn't like it at all......the others seem to be more summary than actual reviews, not much opinion stated...

The escaped from problems, in Berlin jobbende as moving supplies Jonas rescues the former singing star Ruth Weintraub at the last second before the suicide. While she undergoes in a clinic group therapy, he finds in her apartment old film reels and a projector. Due to the movies Jonas learns from Ruth's great love for Victor, a film student, in 1972, a film portrait of her draws and Jonas looks like an amazing way. He decides to help Ruth ... That the chemistry between Max and Hannelore Elsner Riemelt simply not true, you may well still live with. You can not understand what is the young man at the old lady here easily. What the film but then completely ruined, are the many small rotary sander Buchau, such as when the Jonas suicidal Ruth brings sneaking out of the mental institution. Or if later, the psychologist himself knocking at Ruth's door and she invites you to a hospital concert where she is the star. Oh God - what is it only for a psychologist! Far away from reality a story here is designed to be sold to the public as credible. When Jonas turns out even then at the end when infected by multiple sclerosis patient who has left out of sheer pity for his fiancée them to spare her his suffering, then drops a nothing more to attend. Conclusion: TV entertainment at its lowest ebb.

http://www.wolframhannemann.de/archiv/201409.shtml#14091501 (http://www.wolframhannemann.de/archiv/201409.shtml#14091501)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 05:42:23 pm
she gave 4 of 5 stars...

An old woman and a young man are just about to despair of life when they get to know yourself. In an unusual friendship they give each other back stop. A delicate melancholy flows through this told with economical elegance drama in which Hannelore Elsner and Max Riemelt provide an excellent acting duo. The producer Alice Brown has dedicated the film directed by Uwe Janson her mother Maria Brown, whose childhood memories flowed into the biography of the main character Ruth Weintraub.
  Moving trucks at their eviction remembers the old lady at the worst time in her life, her family when the Nazis transported away to be shot. Her mother sat the daughter of secretly to save them. The bad pictures from back then rob her of sleep and to live. Out of nowhere, but Ruth brings the memory of her great love one: The silent movers Jonas sees the film student Victor, she wanted to marry early 1970s, strikingly similar.

Jonas is sensitive to the plight of the old woman, because he is in an exceptional situation: Fearing his progressive illness he has severed all bridges behind him. Although these themes and motives are not new, you never have the disturbing feeling that you have seen this all before. Because the staging feels authentic because it is pleasant behavior. The emotion unfolds casually over moods. Jonas's solitude is mirrored when he, while Ruth is in the hospital, look from the seventies in her apartment Victors film. He delves into the love story of Ruth and Victor, who wakes up in flashbacks to their own lives. It is accompanied by the times wistful, sometimes cheerful vibrant Yiddish songs, singing the cabaret singer in a bar. Sharon Brauner makes this dual role as a singer and actress with a natural-looking Intensity own.

  That the story so do not appear cheesy despite their emotionality, thanks above all, Hannelore Elsner and Max Riemelt. They equip their characters in different ways with bite, presence and unwavering focus lonely people. At the same register Ruth and Jonah fine antennas, how much emotion is hidden in the messages of others. These demanding roles are wonderfully easy to play, so that the whole film feels elated at delicate, restrained manner.

Conclusion: melancholy and joy of life keep in an exciting way, the balance in this subdued, elegant staged drama. Hannelore Elsner and Max Riemelt harmonize impressive in the roles of two lonely people who divides an age difference of 50 years.


Bianka Piringer
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 06:09:55 pm
this picture is made even more melancholy by the places on the wall that are not faded, where pictures once hung

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 06:22:03 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 06:22:51 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 06:23:45 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on November 30, 2014, 06:24:37 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on December 07, 2014, 03:31:05 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: southendmd on December 07, 2014, 04:32:45 pm
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Nice!  I'd sure jingle his bells.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on December 07, 2014, 04:44:09 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on December 26, 2014, 04:29:14 pm
Vincent, this is just great!  We agree on most everything.

Exactly how I see it, too.  Marc is following Kay’s lead from the first moment.


Agree.  And Kay has gotten Marc to do 2 things that he didn’t really want to do at first, because he is used to following the rules: smoke pot and get in the pool after hours.  Kay is leading him again.

I think at this time he still feels “domesticated”, safe inside the boundaries of the life he’s always known.

Marc’s face shows absolute panic, as if everyone will somehow sense what happened between them.


One of my favorite scenes and played so well by both men.  Right, Kay is so at ease, just taking a cigarette from Marc’s pocket, grabbing his hand – not asking for a light this time, just taking it – and holding it as he lights his cigarette, that's a very intimate gesture.  Marc is aware of every move Kay is making, and the eye contact – smoldering!   You can tell Marc is surprised when Kay just walks away – something in him wanted more.  And Kay knew exactly what he was doing – what a cocktease; Max Riemelt quietly played this to the hilt.


Do you agree with some of reviews out there, that this was “abuse” or “almost rape”?  I find that a particularly offensive comparison.  But yes, he is freaked out by his own desires for Kay.  I found it interesting that, unlike Ennis, he is able to look Kay in the eye, even after something so intimate.  

Very telling – even the way he answers Frank’s question “I thought you knew him at the academy?”  Marc’s answer: “yeah, so?”  means, we were there together but I don’t know anything about him.

When Marc grabs Kay and slams him into the locker?  I think both: angry with Kay for showing up and himself for having feelings he doesn’t want to have.  And seriously, how fucking cool is Kay?  The look on his face doesn’t change, even when his head hits the locker!  Pure 100% confidence.  

Marc is panicked when he first sees him.  Did he want to keep his pregnant gf a secret from Kay?  Then in the bathroom it’s as if he’s in charge now – “so.  Now you know.”  What we did meant nothing.
The look on Kay’s face I can’t quite figure out.  Disappointment, I guess.

He’s stressing, but he can’t stop thinking about Kay and that forest thing, and he wants more but doesn’t want to want more.  He’s being torn in 2 directions.


The scene inside the car was totally off for me, until Mariska confirmed that Kay says “It was beautiful.” not "it was nice" like the subtitles read (thank you, Mariska!)  Marc is trying to come to terms with what he did: called Kay and asked to meet him for sex.  (Would love to know what he really said: want to jog in the pouring rain?)  Then he gets dressed quickly, not a word, and starts to leave.  Maybe I misread the look he gives Kay before he opens the door – it seemed somehow very smug to me.  And Kay seems to be very restrained, just smoking his pot, chillin.   Then when Kay says it was beautiful, Marc finally gives up some little smile of “acceptance” that it was.  Ennis, all over again.

As for the birthing class, since I was so invested in the relationship between the 2 men, it took me a few viewings to realize that he was there to learn how to “breathe evenly” with Bettina.

 Yeah, rookie mistake.  He certainly could have said it was somebody he was going jogging with, but to say it was Frank – she knew immediately that he was lying.

This is where the lack of a clear time frame throws me a little.  Is this after breakfast the same day?  The next week?  Have they been together since the car scene?  He seems very relaxed and accepting of what he fought so hard against, it would be nice to know how he got there so fast.  

Again with the time line, we don’t really know how long it took to get there.  He is very relaxed, seems totally giving (which I loved) – until they get out of bed.  Although the scene on the balcony is lovely and Kay seems to be totally in love (the way he looks at him! *sigh*), Marc is more reserved, more detached.  “Ever want to leave it all behind and start over?”  “Not really.”  It’s like he’s using Kay.

Yes, exactly, short-term on Marc’s part.  I wonder how many times he used that key.  So much of their meetings is left to our imagination.  Did he go over every day after work?  Where else did they meet?  

Now see, I thought he just couldn’t get it up because he couldn’t stop thinking about Kay and Bettina just turned him off completely.  But it could have been a lie to cover up.

What did you think of the club scene?  I didn’t like it at first, but now I love it!  They’re both kind of dorky out there, but they look so cute and in love.  Even Marc, rubbing Kay’s shoulder and his hand on his neck; and he’s having so much fun!  Something he’s not having at home anymore.  When Kay brings out the pills, I thought it was Viagra so they could make love all night, but consensus is it’s xtc, and I guess that’s right.  Kay is such a bad influence!
In the locker room, Kay does seem to be an outsider; but I didn't interpret Marc's look at Kay as checking to see if he's happy for him.  I thought Marc was wondering how it affected Kay, maybe one of the few times Marc actually thought of Kay's feelings.  IDK, I could be wrong.

Absolutely!  Noticed the hesitation as he opens his car door after the punch, as if he's fighting going back to Kay.  And the downhill sign.  There is so much feeling in that scene, Hanno Koffler was very good.  He’s so emotional, he’s fighting such a battle within himself – excellent acting.

Again, agree 100%, the alley scene.  He can’t breathe, he can’t concentrate even on a mundane task, he can’t get his mind off Kay.  He has made the rule, told Kay to stay away and he does.  But now Marc can’t take it.
On another note, every time I see that scene, the sound of him scrubbing the carpet makes me think of the Geico commercial with Maxwell the pig: Boots & pants!  Youtube it (or not, if you don’t want to laugh at the beginning of the scene!)

Very well put.  Did the director put Limpinski next to Marc on purpose?  On the same side?  And Britt.  I liked her character.

Yes, the WIKHTQY scene, with Ennis breaking down.  Very powerful and well played by both men.  “Lying in wait”, excellent way to put it.  Marc totally detaches himself from his feelings in the beginning of the scene, and tries to go on the offensive.  And this is the most passionate that we see Kay, pushing him and getting in his face – just great acting.  Did the ILY take Marc by surprise?  Did he just think it was sex?  It’s as if Kay’s feelings never entered his mind.  One of the times in the movie you want to hate Marc (but can’t) and you really feel for Kay.
As an aside, they’re still raiding gay bars in Germany?  Yikes.

Another time when I want to slap Marc.  He’s sitting there at the hospital and what’s his reaction when he sees Kay?  “Oh shit, not him again.”  The heavy sigh and the arms folded on his chest, blocking Kay out.  I hate that.  But the way he looks up at Kay when he grabs his hand, it's gorgeous!  Seriously.  I mean, seriously.  (Thank you, Hanno!) It shows his confusion; 1 minute he’s pushing him away, the next he wants him.  It happens over and over again.  But I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise.  He’s changing (or trying to change) something that has been ingrained in him since birth.  His whole life has been disrupted by this love.

I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him.  She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.”  Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me.  What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay?  Or straight, for that matter.  What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her.  And how did he get home?  He took a taxi to the hospital, he should have taken one home, instead of calling his mom.  

Yes, back to the bland, boring, domesticated life.  (Did they have to put him in an apron?)  He does get very defensive: is this an interrogation?  

Yeah, not sure about the tradition of raising the pole with baby things on it.  Now here Marc seems “back in line” with the domestic thing, seems very happy with Bettina and the baby – until he sees Kay.  Why did she make a point of inviting him?  To prove she wasn’t a homophobe?  I love Britt in this scene, she’s so annoyed with Limpinski.
And yes, the parents’ reaction is as you said.  I posted an interview with the director some pages back, and he addressed this issue: people will say they’re accepting of gays until it directly affects them, like a close friend or family member, then it’s a different story.

Here we get a little idea of how often Marc & Kay were seeing each other when Bettina says “All those night shifts.  You weren’t even there.”  And you can see the panic in his face and hear it in his voice when he tries to talk her into staying.  He’s just locked Kay out of his life, and now Bettina is leaving, so he’ll have no one.  Yes, she knows now.
The scene in Kay’s apartment when he gives back the key is so painful to watch.  How can Marc detach himself from Kay like that?  How can he see him bruised and not try to comfort him?  (Well, he did try a little and Kay brushed him away, and Marc was okay with that.)  Then “What about us?”  He just puts the key down and leaves without a word.  Damn.  

This is the only time in the movie I actually cried: when Bettina screams "What are you then?"  Their voices had been so low and controlled, then she just loses it.  Totally took me by surprise - again, great acting on her part.
Ok, that he “retreats into domestication” – an explanation to me of why he is shown mowing a yard, which clearly doesn’t need mowing.
I noticed that, too, he never says he’s sorry.  Maybe because he’s not.  

I didn’t see it as a bookend for the painting scene, but I guess it could be seen that way – both coming at the other from behind.  And why did she wait until he was naked and in the shower?  So he would be vulnerable?  I think it pure hurt and disbelief – how can this be happening? - on her part.  His being gay is as unthinkable to her as it was to him, look how long it took him to accept the idea that he wanted Kay.  Very well played scene.

The alternate ending so wouldn’t fit with Kay’s personality.  I never once saw in him hopelessness or despair, or dependent on Marc to the point of suicide.  That would have ruined the whole movie, totally out of character.

To me, this is the “short dirty fight” that Ennis picks with the guy in the pick-up, after Thanksgiving dinner at Alma’s, when she tells him she knows the truth.
As for Limpinski: Is he a latent homosexual?  
The scene in the bar is strange.  Is he trying to recreate his time with Kay?  Why take x?  He was not a drug guy by any means, and it doesn’t work that fast, he was on that guy in a second.  
One thing I did not like was when he raised his fist to hit the guy; another place where the director took it right to the edge and brought it back.

Yeah, very sad to watch.  He knows he’s lost everything, he knows it’s his fault, he’s facing up to his responsibility in hurting Bettina and Kay.  Shit, is right.


Yes, when he walks into the room they shared together everything must coming rushing back, all the memories.
The bookends of beginning and end were great.  I thought the unit trained on the track and in the gym, etc, that’s why he was back on the track, just a normal training run to keep in shape.  But now he can “breathe evenly”.  

Great movie, tied with Brokeback for my #1.  Thanks, Vincent, so good to finally talk about this with you and Mariska.  I'm totally surprised more people here haven't gone out of their way to see this.



Great discussion! I love Freier Fall! I can't movie get from my head... I have similar thoughts and opinions. Thanks for your comments!

My English is not very good enough to join this group:(

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on December 26, 2014, 05:37:23 pm
Hi Natty, good to see you here.  Don't worry about your English, talk about the film all you want, we'll figure it out  :)

I like the gif you posted.  Are you a Max fan?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on December 26, 2014, 06:07:36 pm
I love Max! He is sooo sexy  :-*
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on December 26, 2014, 06:45:31 pm
Great interview (German) (http://m-maenner.de/2013/05/wir-haben-uns-lieb/)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on December 26, 2014, 06:58:09 pm
I love Max! He is sooo sexy  :-*

Yes, he is!   ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on December 26, 2014, 07:00:36 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on December 26, 2014, 08:31:06 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on December 27, 2014, 04:15:36 pm
Max for WHO Magazine

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on January 07, 2015, 11:47:10 pm
Check out this Instagram posted by Brian Smith (from Max's Sense 8 - Netflix ) 

Max is the driver, Brian Smith is on the passenger seat, on their way to Napa Valley when they were filming Sense 8 in the Bay Area.

http://instagram.com/p/uOcnFKETcq/
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on January 10, 2015, 09:07:19 pm
Check out this Instagram posted by Brian Smith (from Max's Sense 8 - Netflix ) 

Max is the driver, Brian Smith is on the passenger seat, on their way to Napa Valley when they were filming Sense 8 in the Bay Area.

http://instagram.com/p/uOcnFKETcq/



Crazy O0 ;D

Thanks for link.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: benjamin on January 14, 2015, 12:49:10 am
Might be spoilers ahead, so fair warning.........

Has anyone seen this?  I watched it again tonight and liked it very much...excellent acting...



I just watched it last Sunday... and it really affected me.. I honestly couldn't function well in my work for I am always thinking about the movie and the beautiful love story. I keep on playing the movie at night and watch it all over again.. This movie is very powerful.  :( It has excellent acting on it.. I just needed proper closure.. Sequel..sequel..sequel.. Free Fall 2, bitte... bitte..bitte... (now, I try to learn new German words) .... MARC. please search for Kay! You need him and he needs you...
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on January 16, 2015, 10:36:31 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on January 18, 2015, 06:29:09 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on January 18, 2015, 06:30:42 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on January 20, 2015, 06:36:17 pm
Natty/Benjamin, welcome at the freier fall freak forum.

Altgerman, I know I promised to translate the interview. I tried, but Max is not easy, sometimes his anwers are kind of philoshofical and I don't understand all of it.
I'm sorry. If you are still interested, I will try to translate the parts I do understand.

Butler, good to see you're still posting here. I miss our discussions about FF and the rest.

I'm still following the guys, especially Max.
Sense8 should be on Netflix this year and his new movie "Lichtgestallten" looks very interesting.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on January 21, 2015, 04:35:14 pm
Mariska,

Thanks for remembering me.  If it's difficult for you, don't worry about it.  I will try to use Google Translate to see if there is any success.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on January 26, 2015, 11:22:58 am
U2, With or Without You

http://vimeo.com/100054351 (http://vimeo.com/100054351)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on January 26, 2015, 02:24:54 pm
Thursday, January 22, 2015
“To Life!” screens at 6:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 29 at the Castro Theatre in S.F. In German with English subtitles.


Yiddish songs lift wistful Berlin film fest opener ‘To Life!’

by michael fox , j. correspondent


Film review

Ruth Weintraub has mastered the art of keeping her Jewish past at bay. Evicted from her beloved Berlin apartment of 35 years and placed in ugly, unwelcoming public housing, she opts to stop struggling.

Jonas is nearly half-a-century younger, and less skilled at evading the future. He happens to be Jonas-on-the-spot to rescue Ruth at a crucial moment, reluctantly initiating an odd and unexpected friendship.

It’s the movies, so we’re inclined to accept the unlikely sequence of events that sets in motion the German drama “To Life!” (“Auf Das Leben”). Even more, we yearn for these good yet troubled people to bond across the generations.

Part of that yearning has to do with our desire to see the Polish-born Ruth (played with grit, wit and gravitas by the formidable Hannelore Elsner) no longer tormented by the losses she suffered during the Holocaust.
That’s a familiar theme in films, almost to the point of cliché. However, the ways in which younger Germans confront the Holocaust and respond to anti-Semitism is endlessly compelling (to this observer, at least) yet rarely examined in movies.

That’s the path one wishes “To Life!” had chosen to explore with greater commitment, instead of opting for a more superficial and routine story of strangers altering each other’s lives.

“To Life!” opens the Goethe-Institut’s annual Berlin & Beyond Film Festival at 6:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 29 at the Castro Theater in San Francisco.

The festival is also showing another film of Jewish interest, “Run Boy Run.” Pepe Danquart’s compelling Holocaust-survival epic, which screened in last year’s SFJFF, plays at 10 a.m. Jan. 30 at the Castro, with the director present.

“To Life!” is a good-looking, well-acted and engaging movie that proves more successful at skirting difficult questions than evading potholes of predictability.

The greatest pleasure are the Yiddish tunes that the gifted actress and singer Sharon Brauner performs in flashbacks as Ruth. We relish these expertly arranged musical numbers, and savor the talent and charm that Ruth possessed in her 30s.

Along with Brauner’s terrific musical numbers, Elsner pulls us through “To Life!” by powerfully conveying Ruth’s unblinking self-awareness and zero tolerance for self-pity (in herself as well as others).

Readers with long memories will recall Elsner from “Go For Zucker,” the provocative German comedy that opened the 2005 San Francisco Jewish Film Festival. A longtime leading lady of the German screen, she will be presented with the festival’s Lifetime Achievement Award in Acting before the screening.

Elsner is totally convincing as someone who was required to rely on herself from an early age, and takes it in stride without resentment (though not without regret). Her performance evokes the depth of wisdom, courage and common sense Ruth has to offer.

Jonas (Max Riemelt), who’s sleeping in his van as “To Life!” begins, has also had to make his way in the world without his parents. That accounts for the tenuous bond between Jonas and Ruth — they’re both loners — and their respectful appreciation for each other’s integrity.

“To Life!” boasts a good heart and good intentions. It’s a shame it doesn’t evince a bit more wisdom and courage.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: benjamin on January 27, 2015, 11:30:54 am
Natty/Benjamin, welcome at the freier fall freak forum.

Altgerman, I know I promised to translate the interview. I tried, but Max is not easy, sometimes his anwers are kind of philoshofical and I don't understand all of it.
I'm sorry. If you are still interested, I will try to translate the parts I do understand.

Butler, good to see you're still posting here. I miss our discussions about FF and the rest.

I'm still following the guys, especially Max.
Sense8 should be on Netflix this year and his new movie "Lichtgestallten" looks very interesting.


free fall has becoming popular here in the Philippines... Is there any possiblilty of a part 2 marishka?


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on January 28, 2015, 04:19:43 am
""free fall has becoming popular here in the Philippines... Is there any possiblilty of a part 2 marishka? ""

I have no idea but to be honest, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on January 30, 2015, 01:52:53 pm
video

Freier Fall The Angry River  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfn3Ul8fBTE)

Marc + Kay | Everything will change   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S04nUQpRTk)

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on February 06, 2015, 09:32:32 am
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on February 06, 2015, 06:37:07 pm
65th Berlinale International Film Festival at Berlinale Palace on February 5

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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on February 06, 2015, 09:33:01 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 09, 2015, 10:33:26 am
Trailer new movie: Amnesia.

http://www.filmsdulosange.fr/en/film/209/amnesia
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on February 11, 2015, 09:06:14 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on February 14, 2015, 12:44:06 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 15, 2015, 04:01:23 pm
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This one is so cute  ::), never seen it before.
Where did you find it? Is it an older picture?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on February 16, 2015, 03:56:12 pm
This one is so cute  ::), never seen it before.
Where did you find it? Is it an older picture?

From one Russian website. It's a new photo (2015). Place and date unknown :( Maybe during the "Medienboard Berlinale-Empfang 2015" (February 07, 2015).....???
I found it also here (https://twitter.com/kofflernews/)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: dontinterrupt on February 17, 2015, 12:25:36 pm
Hi, everyone, I'm just writing to let y'all know that I've watched the movie (first read about it on morrobay's LJ) and I am BLOWN AWAY. Butlers_Fantasy, thank you for opening this thread and waiting stubbornly and patiently for others to join in, it looks like quite a read, so imma go and catch up with all the posts and I WILL be back, because I can't wait to discuss the hell out of this amazing movie :D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 20, 2015, 05:41:05 pm
From one Russian website. It's a new photo (2015). Place and date unknown :( Maybe during the "Medienboard Berlinale-Empfang 2015" (February 07, 2015).....???
I found it also here (https://twitter.com/kofflernews/)

It's funny, a few days after you posted this picture, it showed up on both Hanno's and Max's facebook.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 20, 2015, 05:45:02 pm
Hi, everyone, I'm just writing to let y'all know that I've watched the movie (first read about it on morrobay's LJ) and I am BLOWN AWAY. Butlers_Fantasy, thank you for opening this thread and waiting stubbornly and patiently for others to join in, it looks like quite a read, so imma go and catch up with all the posts and I WILL be back, because I can't wait to discuss the hell out of this amazing movie :D

Well, good luck with reading the whole thing, it's a lot  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on February 21, 2015, 10:09:10 am
Well, there's at least 1 episode of Sense8 I won't be watching, hope it's not one of Max's.  I can take the "psychic orgies" but live birth?  No, thanks.

Lana and Andy Wachowski's Netflix series 'Sense8' to feature 'psychic orgies' and live births

By Will Ashton, 2/3/2015

Leave it to the Wachowski siblings (The Matrix trilogy) to keep audiences guessing. Going on press rounds to promote their original sci-fi opera Jupiter Ascending, they talked about their upcoming Netflix series Sense8 and, based on what they revealed, it's just as wild and unique as their other projects.

Talking to io9, Lana and Andy Wachoswki explained their new series, while technically in the sci-fi genre once again, is "more about humanity. It's about everything." And by "everything," they include "everything" from psychic orgies to live births.

"We told Netflix we were like, 'We’re only interested in doing this. It’s going to be so hard, it’s not very much money. We’re only interested in it if we can do anything. And I mean anything. Like crazy psychic orgies with all sorts of different bodies,'"Lana said. "And they were like, 'Yeah sure, cool great.'"

It was then that Andy noted the show has "live births." Just to make sure there was no confusion, he continued, "Babies coming out of vaginas." After the interviewer's surprise, Lana noted, "Yes. Tune in. In May, you'll see."

Furthermore, the Wachowskis noted that, in addition to filming in the U.K., Seoul, Mumbai, Nairobi, Berlin, Mexico City, San Francisco and Chicago, Sense8 also shot in Reykjavík, Iceland. The show stars Naveen Andrews (Lost), Daryl Hannah (the Kill Bill series), Brian J. Smith (Stargate Universe), Aml Ameen (The Maze Runner), Freema Agyeman (Doctor Who), Tena Desae (The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel), Max Riemelt, Alfonso Herrera, Erendira Ibarra, Jamie Clayton, Miguel Silvestri and Terrence Mann.

Other than airing sometime this May, it's not clear when exactly the 10-episode is coming to the streaming service.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on February 21, 2015, 02:33:41 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 21, 2015, 07:20:23 pm
Well, there's at least 1 episode of Sense8 I won't be watching, hope it's not one of Max's.  I can take the "psychic orgies" but live birth?  No, thanks.


I'm not sure if I will like Sense8  :-\.
But I will watch episodes with Max in it (and close my eyes during live birth scenes).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: dontinterrupt on February 25, 2015, 05:33:45 pm
I did it, mariska, I read all 101 pages and I'm back :) wow, where to begin... looks like you guys have pretty much covered it all. I loved the pics you posted as well, I've also watched FF at least 10 times by now, I also skip the Bettina scenes sometimes (harsh, I know), I too find the scene between Marc and Limpinski (with the virulent 'pussy' word which gives me pins and needles everytime I hear it) very poignant and I too wish there were more happy scenes between the main characters and hope for a sequel (albeit in a written form, don't know why).

On a different note, I adore Max's &Hanno's accent when they speak English!  ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 25, 2015, 05:58:24 pm
mmmm......I assume this is a joke?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933?fref=ts


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 25, 2015, 06:02:54 pm
I did it, mariska, I read all 101 pages and I'm back :) wow, where to begin... looks like you guys have pretty much covered it all.

Bravo  :).
I wonder if you can think of something new to discuss.

About the sequel: check the link I posted. What do you think of it?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on February 25, 2015, 08:47:20 pm
If true, it might be the only thing that could get me to open a FB account.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: dontinterrupt on February 26, 2015, 09:15:36 am
mmmm......I assume this is a joke?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933?fref=ts




WAS?!?!

No way! This has GOT to be some kind of cruel joke to ridicule us all. I gotta say, I'm rather skeptical about it and unless this page posts a photo of Stephan, Hanno and Max holding a sign that says "Freier Fall 2 coming soon", I'm not gonna believe it :D Plus this whole crowdfunding makes it sound like a scam...or does it? I don't really know what to think, what do you think guys?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: dontinterrupt on February 26, 2015, 09:18:30 am
Oh, by the way, does anybody know what happened to morrobay's "Breathe Evenly"? I wanted to read it the other day but it seems to have disappeared?
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 26, 2015, 05:37:22 pm
Well, I didn't believe it at first but someone mailed the producer and he confirmed all of it.
And it will be on the facebook sites of HK and MR in the next days.

So.....it is true I guess.
And....it's up to us (fans) if there will be a second part?



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 26, 2015, 05:56:29 pm
About BE:

I don't know exactly what happened but I sure hope it will show up again, one way or the other.

I loved BE very much and I used to say: if there would be a sequal, it has to be like this.
Beautiful written and very close to the characters.
Another person who nailed it was Sienata, she wrote one piece but so, so good.

These two should be involved in writing the sequal  ;)
 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 27, 2015, 08:02:46 am
I put the original link in google translate.

https://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.klatsch-tratsch.de%2F2015%2F02%2F27%2Ffreier-fall-2-hanno-koffler-und-max-riemelt-sollen-wieder-zurueckkehren%2F234117&edit-text=

Original link:

http://www.klatsch-tratsch.de/2015/02/27/freier-fall-2-hanno-koffler-und-max-riemelt-sollen-wieder-zurueckkehren/234117
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on February 28, 2015, 03:14:14 pm
mmmm......I assume this is a joke?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933?fref=ts



It is strange that facebooksite is in English.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on February 28, 2015, 06:43:13 pm
It is strange that facebooksite is in English.


I think that's not strange at all. FF fans all over the world so of course they know a lot of fans don't speak German.
I also think that the fundraising idea isn't strange at all. They didn't plan to make a sequel, but so many fans asked for it over and over again so it seems logical to me that they reconsidered to make a second part. And if they can't find people who want to invest in it, fundraising might be the only way to realize it.

I think that the ending of FF1 provides beautiful possibilities for a sequal.
To be honest, I think it will be difficult to realize it this way. But not impossible.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 02, 2015, 02:53:53 pm
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Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on March 03, 2015, 06:30:55 am

I think that's not strange at all. FF fans all over the world so of course they know a lot of fans don't speak German.
I also think that the fundraising idea isn't strange at all. They didn't plan to make a sequel, but so many fans asked for it over and over again so it seems logical to me that they reconsidered to make a second part. And if they can't find people who want to invest in it, fundraising might be the only way to realize it.

I think that the ending of FF1 provides beautiful possibilities for a sequal.
To be honest, I think it will be difficult to realize it this way. But not impossible.


And not all fans in Germany speak English. German movie but the info in English?? Then it should be a statement in two versions - English and German.

I may be wrong but I'm skeptical.

I'm not gonna believe until I see some info on the official site :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 03, 2015, 09:22:06 am

I may be wrong but I'm skeptical.

I'm not gonna believe until I see some info on the official site :)


You are right to be sceptical.
I do think most Germans speak English, but indeed it should be in German too.

In the Klatch-Tratsch article Stephan Lacant confirms the whole thing, but I have no idea how reliable this site is.
In another article Hanno Koffler says he is working on a new project with Stephan Lacant in Berlin, but he doesn't say anything about FF2.

I guess, we just have to wait and see if there will be any info on the official site.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on March 08, 2015, 06:20:06 pm
youtube video:

Freier Fall | Marc & Kay - Take me to Church (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCWx3CK3ad4)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on March 10, 2015, 04:44:02 pm
Hey,

Thanks for the link.

Hm, actually the last post on fb isn't that long ago. Nevertheless, sometimes it feels as if time goes by very slowly while waiting for any news.
Couldn't just anybody confirm (or deny) the entry regarding FF 2 ?  :(
At least we wouldn't aspire to a sequel in vain then. I don't like the ups and downs between hope and the absolute conviction that it is just a fake.
(Yes, I do have a life and enough other things to do. But I' m curious, and maybe a little bit addicted  ;) )
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 10, 2015, 07:09:36 pm

Couldn't just anybody confirm (or deny) the entry regarding FF 2 ?  :(


Hi Lea,
The only reason I think it might be real is that someone sent me a message on facebook that he mailed the producer and he confirmed it.
I hope there will me more information soon.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 11, 2015, 06:15:11 pm
Gorgeous  ::)

(http://cs624218.vk.me/v624218913/24641/zls-d0PUygo.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 11, 2015, 06:17:07 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1655838_1400037566973518_4206183534924618877_n.jpg?oh=c1e457c912bc6cb35be458edf2e09434&oe=5573DD7A&__gda__=1434628112_e0a0410857fc4ef5e72fd76bf779abf3)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 11, 2015, 06:20:52 pm
And......who's on the phone?  :P

(https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11002595_1398712510439357_2521537901081548845_n.jpg?oh=0c3158075afed23f5d693a972a26a039&oe=558DB5FB)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 12, 2015, 12:49:12 pm
Yess!!

http://www.kurhausproduction.de/news

""In the next few weeks we will be promoting on Facebook and other platforms for Crowdfunding Campaign for FREE FALL 2.

We hope that we are able to develop a second part, and continue the story of Marc and Kai in a strong way""

This is an official site so it is real.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on March 12, 2015, 02:55:26 pm
Hello,

that's great news - and very nice pics  :D - Thanks a lot Mariska!
What a beautiful day...   :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on March 12, 2015, 06:07:09 pm
Yess!!

http://www.kurhausproduction.de/news

""In the next few weeks we will be promoting on Facebook and other platforms for Crowdfunding Campaign for FREE FALL 2.

We hope that we are able to develop a second part, and continue the story of Marc and Kai in a strong way""

This is an official site so it is real.




Finally, the official news!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 17, 2015, 05:22:40 pm
Look at Hanno's facebook!!  
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on March 18, 2015, 05:49:43 pm
Almost too good to be true   :D
Well, we'll have to wait how this crowdfunding campaign thing develops. Hopefully it works out.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on March 19, 2015, 01:16:14 pm
There is a new entry on fb - just about 2 hours ago:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933

And also on the fb page of Max Riemelt!
https://de-de.facebook.com/maxriemelt

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 21, 2015, 11:01:24 am

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/13080_353595201421197_866724170_n.jpg?oh=42bfef97fdfaa5985b3015174111ea0e&oe=5579B0B8&__gda__=1433539187_08b9773e3fbccec47c571acf54d66374)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 21, 2015, 11:09:13 am
Rasieren Max!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/391426_400325073414876_2018682068_n.jpg?oh=d6c5baed15a0c4463e3fc5bbb79f5ca4&oe=55B87786&__gda__=1433597711_142b858baf133f48da4fa3ef275275ec)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on March 21, 2015, 11:11:51 am
Almost too good to be true   :D
Well, we'll have to wait how this crowdfunding campaign thing develops. Hopefully it works out.

Yeah, I really hope it works out.
I have no idea how much they need.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on March 22, 2015, 07:49:54 am
Obviously they do their best to make it real (although it will take some more time) - have a look at the new fb entry!:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933

And you're right, Mariska ;)   ...but Hanno looks quite cute :D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on March 27, 2015, 06:09:22 pm
(https://scontent-bru.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11075007_1568475896735359_6565246466195961974_n.jpg?oh=5793be8b577bf3a743f07fb31fa0c26e&oe=55B220DB)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933

There is a new entry on fb (once again  ;) ) with several links to fan pages and also an article about the planned sequel.
They also try to get in contact with the people of the websites to spread the news further.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on March 29, 2015, 10:47:08 am
(http://cs416230.vk.me/v416230104/65e1/gWVd77HqseY.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on March 29, 2015, 10:49:18 am
(http://www.katharina-schuettler.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Schuettler_Kornwestheim.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on April 07, 2015, 12:22:58 pm
So I watched this film 2 days ago and then spent the better part of yesterday obsessing over it.  The ending of course drives me nuts and I hope this sequel gets made.

Just a few of my rambling thoughts on what I think a sequel to Freier Fall should be like....

I don't think Marc went after Kay after the first movie ended.  If he would have the first film could have been 2 minutes longer and ended with Kay opening the door to his new apartment and seeing Marc standing there after tracking him down.  What the film did show at the end was instead kind of a role reversal for Marc and how he was accepting himself and in a way becoming the new Kay.

For a sequel I see Kay as the main character this time and it's years later and he is now a Paramedic. I don't think he had it in him to keep getting transferred after the relentless homophobia he had endured. Kay is now also in a happy relationship with a man. (At least they both think that they are happy)

Marc now taking on Kay's old role transfers to a different department and runs into Kay....to both their surprise. They have a quick beer at a local bar and catch up and Marc flirts a little even though he knows Kay is in a relationship.  And from there Marc goes into predatory mode like Kay in the first film knowing that Kay won't be able to resist him.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on April 11, 2015, 03:22:02 pm
Look at the fb page of Free Fall 2!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933?sk=timeline

(https://de-de.facebook.com/freierfall2013/photos/a.487160824696979.1073741826.487158578030537/775983299148062/?type=1)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 12, 2015, 10:36:44 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OkeuPgoFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OkeuPgoFI)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on April 12, 2015, 01:05:54 pm
I have just found a quite new interview with Max Riemelt. At least one questions was about the planned sequel of Free Fall:

Currently there is a lot of advertising via facebook for a sequel, in case they get enough money by the crowdfunding.
MR: To be honest, I find that a bit difficult. The process has been started now. But up to now there is not even a script yet. Even though "Free Fall" was an important film for me I never accept [an offer for a role] blindly. Let's wait and see what the script is going to be and how the project develops.

Not much and quite restrained.

The interview is in German. Nevertheless, here's the link: http://www.morgenpost.de/kultur/berlin-kultur/article139431431/Der-Schauspieler-Max-Riemelt-sieht-sich-als-eher-faulen-Typ.html
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on April 19, 2015, 01:12:46 am
I have just found a quite new interview with Max Riemelt. At least one questions was about the planned sequel of Free Fall:

Currently there is a lot of advertising via facebook for a sequel, in case they get enough money by the crowdfunding.
MR: To be honest, I find that a bit difficult. The process has been started now. But up to now there is not even a script yet. Even though "Free Fall" was an important film for me I never accept [an offer for a role] blindly. Let's wait and see what the script is going to be and how the project develops.

Not much and quite restrained.

The interview is in German. Nevertheless, here's the link: http://www.morgenpost.de/kultur/berlin-kultur/article139431431/Der-Schauspieler-Max-Riemelt-sieht-sich-als-eher-faulen-Typ.html

I get what Max is saying and in all reality it's a smart thing to say in his situation. Of course he's not going to blindly accept a sequel without a script but at the same time there isn't going to be a script actually written unless the funding comes through. (Though I'm sure a detailed outline already exists)  I trust in Stephan Lacant completely and if the funding comes through I bet he will deliver a good script and Max will agree to reprise his role.

The thing that worries me is if enough money will actually be raised to fund a sequel in the first place.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on April 19, 2015, 01:19:01 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OkeuPgoFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OkeuPgoFI)

THAT IS FUCKED UP CRAZY!   I was listening to "Animals" on my iPod yesterday and it made me think of Mark and Kay and who is really the predator and who is the prey!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 19, 2015, 05:13:35 pm
whoever did the video did a great job
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on April 21, 2015, 07:30:41 pm
Hanno is too stinkin cute...

outtake from Härte

https://vimeo.com/124222503 (https://vimeo.com/124222503)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on April 26, 2015, 06:29:52 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2unwy2b.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Monika on May 01, 2015, 05:32:03 pm
Grrr still haven't been able to watch this. It's only available for online purchase in the US. Especially annoying considering it is a German movie.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: altgerman on May 02, 2015, 12:03:50 am
Try    http://www.movie4k.to/ 

It might not have English sub title though.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: CellarDweller on May 02, 2015, 12:57:34 pm
Grrr still haven't been able to watch this. It's only available for online purchase in the US. Especially annoying considering it is a German movie.

well, that's strange.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Penthesilea on May 02, 2015, 01:15:17 pm
Grrr still haven't been able to watch this. It's only available for online purchase in the US. Especially annoying considering it is a German movie.


Check your PMs. :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 02, 2015, 05:20:15 pm
I just listened to an interview with Hanno.
Funny how he responded to this:

Interviewer: Hanno, do you know your fanclub from Argentina?
Hanno: what fanclub is that?
Interviewer: they are active on the internet, like Twitter and Youtube
Hanno: oh yes, sometimes that's scaring, because there are only naked pictures and "kissing with Max" pictures.

Welcome to the internet Hanno  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Water Only on May 02, 2015, 09:13:45 pm
Hey! I've been lurking for quite a while now, but this is my first post. Really love this movie and I'm super excited about the possibility of a second part (all my fingers are crossed!). Thank you for your last post, about Hanno's interview. I listened the almost 40 minutes of it, but I can't understand German, just did it for his voice ;) I did get that part about the fan club, but only that they were being funny about it. Maybe you could be so nice and tell us about what he said regarding FF2? He named the movie and Max many times, but I couldn't understand him.
I'm sorry about my way of expressing, English (nor German) is not my strong suit  ;)
Thank you so much!! I have really enjoyed reading all your messages and discussion about this wonderful movie!  :)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 03, 2015, 06:43:45 am
Hi,
First of all: your way of expressing is fine, better than mine (I'm not English/German either).

Actually, they didn't talk about a possible FF2. The interviewer mentioned the crowdfunding once but that's it.
I listened the last part twice because I thought I missed something but they didn't talk about FF2.

They did talk about Freier Fall and his collaboration with Max for a while.
That they have known each other for a long time and that they have worked together several times.
About the international succes of Freier Fall, about facebook (Hanno doesn't write his own messages but he does read everything), about the nakedness in the movie and the pics on the internet.

In the end the interviewer asked if it is possible to be friends without feeling of competition (referring to Max).
Hanno answered that there is absolutely no competition between him and Max and that the few friendships in this business are wonderful.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Water Only on May 03, 2015, 10:17:15 pm
Hey Mariska! Thank you so much for translating Hanno! ;) I believe I will study German really soon! It is a pleasure to listen to them, but I would like to understand them too!  ;D Thank you for your help!!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 05, 2015, 08:33:56 pm
good picture of Hanno

(http://hannokofflernews.zz.vc/albums/userpics/10001/SflVc61KOHU.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 07, 2015, 08:25:28 am
good picture of Hanno

(http://hannokofflernews.zz.vc/albums/userpics/10001/SflVc61KOHU.jpg)

Great picture.

And...this guy is nominated again for best actor in a leading role in Germany (for his movie Tough Love (Harte).
How great is that! I hope he wins this time (should have won with Freier Fall).
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2015, 12:18:41 pm
Trailer for Sense8 - oh yeah, Max is in it!    Starts June 5

Tagline: You are no longer just  you

One gunshot, one death, one moment out of time that irrevocably links eight minds in disparate parts of the world, putting them in each other's lives, each other's secrets, and in terrible danger. Ordinary people suddenly reborn as "Sensates."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKpKAlbJ7BQ&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKpKAlbJ7BQ&app=desktop)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2015, 12:29:55 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/da/94/17/da9417b908a932e05524c9bd9c6ac429.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 07, 2015, 02:04:41 pm
so there's an orgy........

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/eb950233326927fd41431d8c3966f69d/tumblr_nnzqqlCKVj1ru0ymxo2_1280.png)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 08, 2015, 08:18:54 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxjkt5qCIAAmHkM.jpg)
(http://www.rantchic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sense8.jpg)

I'm so excited for this show!  The creators have said it will have strong themes involving sexuality and gender identity and that it's about being able to empathize with someone you have never met by feeling what it's like to be the other people.

They also promised "psychic orgies" and "live births"...HAHA!

Max is playing a safe-cracker who lives in Berlin but one of the other "Sense 8's" is going to be a closeted actor and another a transgender blogger.

Apparently all 8 of the actors had to sign 5 year contracts though in case the show is a hit and it films for over half the year so hopefully if the crowd funding comes through for Freier Fall 2 Max will have time in his schedule for it.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2015, 11:57:22 am
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/E9c_KSZ6zMk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 08, 2015, 12:10:16 pm
Mmmm

Apparently Netflix told The Wachowskis they could do whatever they wanted with the show so I hope they went all out with the orgy scenes (especially the ones Max is involved with)  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 08, 2015, 12:38:33 pm
(http://i1.cdnds.net/15/19/618x399/ustv-sense8-still-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lousypictures on May 08, 2015, 02:58:45 pm
Hello everyone. Just spent several hours reading all 107 pages of this thread! I saw Free Fall for the first time last night on Netflix (in the U.S.)! I became obsessed instantly!

Excited to hear about the possibility of a sequel but also unsure that the story needs one. In the meantime I'm devouring every fanfiction story there is about this movie.

The one I desperately want to read is Breathe Evenly! Does anyone know Morrobay1990 on live journal? I found part 1 there but am desperate to read the rest! Is there a way to get this story in pdf form? Please message me if you don't want to post the links here.

Also extremely excited to see Max in Sense8!! I love ensemble cast shows. Sense8 reminds me of Heroes! Also excited to see Darryl Hannah do something like Kill Bill again!

 The trailer is up on imdb and it looks incredible!!
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1872539673/

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 09, 2015, 05:27:16 am
(http://www.tvwise.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Sense8-4.jpg)
(http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/0/23//sense8_ber_07_00061_r_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2015, 08:05:45 am
https://de.tv.yahoo.com/fotos/sommer-highlights-auf-diese-serien-slideshow/sommer-highlights-auf-diese-serien-d-rfen-sie-photo-153036344.html (https://de.tv.yahoo.com/fotos/sommer-highlights-auf-diese-serien-slideshow/sommer-highlights-auf-diese-serien-d-rfen-sie-photo-153036344.html)



4. Mai 2015 17:31
(https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ybr9ABtGJB2acO4C7FQV2w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD03MjA7aWw9cGxhbmU7cT03NTt3PTQ4MQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/de_DE/lifestyles/Content%20Fleet/sommer-highlights-auf-diese-serien-durfen-sie-sich-freuen-29369.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 09, 2015, 03:54:01 pm
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/3ab1edd17d6a51b9efbf5889fc3907b4/tumblr_no0cntNAp21uv53zjo2_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on May 09, 2015, 07:10:18 pm
Hello,

I've just found an interesting article about FF 2:

http://www.germanfilmsquarterly.de/upc2_15_3.html

As this link is on the fb page of FF 2 (the producer's page) I think it might be reliable  ;)
(There's also a link to this entry on the fb of Max Riemelt)



Excited to hear about the possibility of a sequel but also unsure that the story needs one.
I know what you mean. Right after watching FF I couldn't believe the end. I wanted the sequel immediately and was quite surprised there was none. But the longer I thought about the film the more I understood the end. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to the sequel.

In the meantime I'm devouring every fanfiction story there is about this movie. The one I desperately want to read is Breathe Evenly! Does anyone know Morrobay1990 on live journal? I found part 1 there but am desperate to read the rest! Is there a way to get this story in pdf form?
I have heard about this fanfiction too but couldn't find it anywhere. So, just in case you get it could you please forward it to me? That would be really kind of you.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 10, 2015, 01:57:46 pm
READ!BERLIN Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkMH7ZINhY)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/3452e5i.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 10, 2015, 04:01:46 pm
youtube video

Freier Fall/ Free Fall- Marc and Kay ~ Unbreakable (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyLVKDKbV4o)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 10, 2015, 04:21:38 pm
(http://i58.tinypic.com/33myetf.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 10, 2015, 04:55:55 pm
(http://i58.tinypic.com/33myetf.jpg)

I want to be hunted down by him predator style like Kay did to Marc in Free Fall!  I'd even take up jogging if I knew it would happen.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 10, 2015, 05:15:20 pm
I love that string of saliva....I wish that kiss would have been filmed closer up.  LOL

(http://i60.tinypic.com/2hykqib.png)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 10, 2015, 05:32:12 pm
I love that string of saliva....I wish that kiss would have been filmed closer up.  LOL

(http://i60.tinypic.com/2hykqib.png)

 ;D

(http://i60.tinypic.com/5kms5j.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 10, 2015, 06:58:46 pm
Thanks for all the great pic's and links.

About the saliva, jeez, I never noticed this. Makes it so intimate and real.


Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 11, 2015, 06:21:13 am
"Hab ich dich gezwungen, meinen Schwanz zu lutschen?"

No!  When will you Max?

"Was ist dein Problem? Immer nur Ich! Ich! Ich!, hm?"

"Ich! Was ist mit mir? Max."

 ;)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 11, 2015, 01:30:41 pm
ok, well, that was annoying





(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/51/2b/25/512b256f97d0edadaeac6a499e04062e.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 11, 2015, 01:31:54 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/32/8d/26/328d2674d49b064c6ceb916cf980fce2.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 12, 2015, 10:33:27 am
from last month, I must have missed it.  So it's being released in many countries, he's getting a lot of attention, and more after Sense8.

CANNES — Arthouse distributor Menemsha Films has picked up all rights in North American to drama “To Life!,” which follows the relationship between an aging Jewish cabaret singer and a young man on the run. Pic will be given a theatrical release this fall.

Sales company Global Screen has also licensed the pic to JIFF Distribution for Australia and New Zealand, Tele Cine for Brazil and Suraya for South-East Asia.

In the film, the singer, who is sarcastic but warm-hearted, forms an intense bond with the young man. They give each other a reason to live, despite their great age difference and their different experiences in life.

In the subtle yet intense interplay between the actors, Hannelore Elsner (“No Place To Go,” “Cherryblossoms”), the grande dame of German cinema, and versatile young star Max Riemelt (soon to be seen in a lead role in new Netflix original series “Sense 8,” also known for “The Wave,” “Napola,” “Before the Fall”), director Uwe Janson weaves a tale that shifts between World War II, the post-war generation and today.


http://variety.com/2015/film/global/menemsha-picks-up-north-american-rights-to-to-life-from-global-screen-1201471988/ (http://variety.com/2015/film/global/menemsha-picks-up-north-american-rights-to-to-life-from-global-screen-1201471988/)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 12, 2015, 11:07:03 am
2014?  For Lufthansa Exclusive


http://www.gene-glover.com/series/333-max-riemelt (http://www.gene-glover.com/series/333-max-riemelt)

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/1731ee3ca7359faf6aa9d75f7544bc7f/tumblr_nnko3xCkeO1tiz2ixo2_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 12, 2015, 03:49:58 pm
so he does own a suit


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cd/0f/f9/cd0ff9069f21e1c6b3086d0b7996ea52.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 12, 2015, 03:52:02 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/25/27/3e2527bcdeb5d965c5e6b7324d0f1d73.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 12, 2015, 03:54:29 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/b4/22/4cb422754a158262ec616641ed9c0d1e.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 12, 2015, 04:20:55 pm
http://www.nadjaklier.de/menschen/maxriemelt

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a2/38/2b/a2382b1709bea72456dd9fb43289a33b.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 12, 2015, 04:42:11 pm
looks like he's staring up adoringly at his own picture!  ;D
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 12, 2015, 04:45:01 pm
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2e3sayu.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 12, 2015, 04:55:43 pm
(http://i59.tinypic.com/wwf7fs.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 12, 2015, 06:03:48 pm
(http://static.bz-berlin.de/data/uploads/2015/02/fotoweb/photo4-1024x576.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 16, 2015, 05:14:47 am
New movie with Max and Teresa Palmer:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/teresa-palmer-to-lead-cate-shortlands-berlin-syndrome-20150515
http://thelowdownunder.com/2015/05/16/cate-shortland-lines-up-berlin-syndrome-with-teresa-palmer-in-the-lead/
http://youngadulthollywood.com/film/teresa-palmer-cast-as-lead-in-berline-syndrome/#.VVcHE7ntmko
http://if.com.au/2015/05/14/article/Cate-Shortland-to-explore-obsessive-love/HXCCGDFOBJ.html



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2015, 07:49:45 am
Hi Mariska, thanks for posting this update on Max.  I wondered if it was going to be made in Hollywood, but it has an Australian director and it will be in English.

From the Sydney Morning Herald:
Adventurous Australian filmmakers are defying language barriers to find inspiration a long way from home. And their fresh, international stories are winning praise, and awards, abroad.

The head of development at Screen Australia, Martha Coleman, says there are 15 films on the agency's development slate set in other parts of the world. While most will be shot in English, including adaptations of the novels Almost French and Berlin Syndrome, she believes this outward looking shows a new maturity for Australian filmmakers.


http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/the-bigger-picture-20130801-2r065.html (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/the-bigger-picture-20130801-2r065.html)

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 16, 2015, 08:46:02 am
Hi Mariska, thanks for posting this update on Max.  I wondered if it was going to be made in Hollywood, but it has an Australian director and it will be in English.


That's right and the actrice Teresa Palmer is also Australian. Be she lives in the US and has acted in US movies with US actors (like Nicolas Hoult and Liam Hemsworth).
I think it's another great opportunity for Max.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2015, 01:19:08 pm
Max is in 11 episodes for Sense8, many of the cast are only in 3.  Only Jamie Clayton who plays Nomi Marks is in 12 episodes, according to IMDb.


Jamie Clayton   ... Nomi Marks (12 episodes, 2015) 
Max Riemelt   ...   Wolfgang (11 episodes, 2015) 
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: 0barrelsteve0 on May 16, 2015, 04:11:58 pm
Use this sites, it might help you..
http://www.bestfreestreaming.com/
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 16, 2015, 05:09:56 pm

Jamie Clayton   ... Nomi Marks (12 episodes, 2015) 
Max Riemelt   ...   Wolfgang (11 episodes, 2015) 


I wonder if this is correct. I while ago I read somewhere that Max would be in 2 episodes and the others 2 or 3.

But I also wonder how that is possible. The main issue of sense8 is the "connecting thing", how can that be done if the 8 characters only appear in 2 or 3 episodes. In the trailer we saw several shots with a few of them together.



Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 16, 2015, 05:34:50 pm
that's what I thought, too-
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 16, 2015, 06:22:03 pm

The one I desperately want to read is Breathe Evenly! Does anyone know Morrobay1990 on live journal? I found part 1 there but am desperate to read the rest! Is there a way to get this story in pdf form? Please message me if you don't want to post the links here.


I know Morrobay and i've read BE.
But as far as I know it's not on the internet anymore, she might have other plans with it.

I feel sorry for whoever did not get the chance to read it because it's really good.
And it would be nice to discuss, especially now we might get a sequal.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 16, 2015, 10:47:16 pm
Max is in 11 episodes for Sense8, many of the cast are only in 3.  Only Jamie Clayton who plays Nomi Marks is in 12 episodes, according to IMDb.


Jamie Clayton   ... Nomi Marks (12 episodes, 2015)  
Max Riemelt   ...   Wolfgang (11 episodes, 2015)  


Sorry u find me "annoying"(not really though...I don't really give a shit)  but that info from imdb is all wrong as almost everything on imdb is always wrong until it gets updated once something is actually released.  Imdb is basically a more complicated version of wikipedia with their "facts" that get updated by people who "PAY" to have imdb "PRO"  

There is 12 episodes and I know what imdb says but it's likely all the "8" will be in most episodes of the first season.....if not all.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 16, 2015, 10:58:45 pm
I know Morrobay and i've read BE.
But as far as I know it's not on the internet anymore, she might have other plans with it.

I feel sorry for whoever did not get the chance to read it because it's really good.
And it would be nice to discuss, especially now we might get a sequal.


I tried looking this up to find it but couldn't....the thing is this might still be available to find via "cache"....but I don't know enough info about the author or where it was originally posted to run a search for it that way.  Even though it was deleted it might still be cached on the web.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: natty on May 17, 2015, 02:48:38 am
Radioeins - interview with Max
22:05-34:41
http://media.rbb-online.de/rad/podcast/zwoelf_uhr_mittags/fm_20150516_120000.mp3

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sf8nio.jpg)

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 17, 2015, 09:59:44 am
Sorry u find me "annoying"(not really though...I don't really give a shit)  but that info from imdb is all wrong as almost everything on imdb is always wrong until it gets updated once something is actually released.  Imdb is basically a more complicated version of wikipedia with their "facts" that get updated by people who "PAY" to have imdb "PRO"  

There is 12 episodes and I know what imdb says but it's likely all the "8" will be in most episodes of the first season.....if not all.

another person who doesn't read.  I didn't say YOU were annoying.  I said THAT (your adolescent post about a conversation with Max) was annoying. 

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: gattaca on May 17, 2015, 05:09:55 pm
Trailer for Sense8 - oh yeah, Max is in it!    Starts June 5
Tagline: You are no longer just  you
One gunshot, one death, one moment out of time that irrevocably links eight minds in disparate parts of the world, putting them in each other's lives, each other's secrets, and in terrible danger. Ordinary people suddenly reborn as "Sensates."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKpKAlbJ7BQ&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKpKAlbJ7BQ&app=desktop)
WOW LOOKS AWESOME!  A NetFlix Original! 
THANKS for posting. 
BTW, not only is Max included but so is Brian J. Smith who first caught my attention during his "confused coming of age role" in "The War Boys (2009)".  It's a real sleeper that didn't do super at the BO.  Clips that can be found on YouTube.
One of the really great scenes which delivered is here ->


IMDB -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1070887/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Later. V
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 17, 2015, 05:37:06 pm
Hey Vincent, good to see you here!  You should visit more often.  

Have you heard about Free Fall 2?  It's still in the discussion phase, but apparently the director and both leads are interested, if they can get a script done and raise money.  Sort of like the old saying, if we had eggs we could have ham and eggs, if we had ham.

thanks for the link to the War Boys clip.

I miss the old discussions we used to have here, you and me and Mariska, back when it all started.  I always liked to hear your views, a man's perspective.  but after 100 pages, I guess we pretty much covered everything.  But I like that it's still going, with info about both guys and their new movies.  There's never anything about their personal lives - that's good for them - but it might change for Max if he gets famous in the US.  

take care
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 18, 2015, 07:35:40 am
another person who doesn't read.  I didn't say YOU were annoying.  I said THAT (your adolescent post about a conversation with Max) was annoying. 




Cool!  Nice that I can't even read now because I couldn't comprehend the vast complexities of your post that only stated "ok, well, that was annoying"


Rest assured I will try to actually figure that out and the deeper meaning behind it because I'm just a dumbass who can't even read.

pfft!
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 18, 2015, 07:58:43 am

Cool!  Nice that I can't even read now because I couldn't comprehend the vast complexities of your post that only stated "ok, well, that was annoying"


Rest assured I will try to actually figure that out and the deeper meaning behind it because I'm just a dumbass who can't even read.

pfft!


I didn't say you CAN'T read, I said you DON'T read.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: superpop on May 19, 2015, 06:21:15 pm
I didn't say you CAN'T read, I said you DON'T read.

 ::)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 19, 2015, 07:03:35 pm
Cannes

(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I00008jCLUDbAk7g/fit=/fill=250x250/g=G0000K3CwYdz0abw/I00008jCLUDbAk7g.jpg)

(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000T3nKg1EIsr4/fit=/fill=250x250/g=G0000K3CwYdz0abw/I0000T3nKg1EIsr4.jpg)

(http://aapimages.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif)
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Post by: mariska on May 19, 2015, 07:07:50 pm
Link to the rest of the pics.

http://aapimages.photoshelter.com/gallery/AAP-Cannes-Photocall-Amnesia-Max-Riemelt/G0000K3CwYdz0abw
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 19, 2015, 07:10:12 pm
A bow tie   8)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFZztcRWEAABEDi.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: Lea on May 20, 2015, 04:39:02 pm
Just watched "Cancellation - For Sure Insured" with Max Riemelt. It is a slightly whimsical comedy which is very funny and amusing. Completely different from "Free Fall" - but a great film!  :D

(http://www.moviepilot.de/files/images/movie/file/11260485/Storno-Todsicher-versichert-6_article.jpg)


(http://www.moviepilot.de/files/images/movie/file/11260505/Storno-Todsicher-versichert-18_article.jpg)
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 20, 2015, 05:06:27 pm
Hi Lea,
Do you live in Germany?
Here in the (south of) the Netherlands we can watch a few German TV channels. I watched the movie too.
But the only one I could understand was Max, the other actors seemed to speak with an acccent??
I loved the little pig  :-*, but I didn't understand enough to get the jokes.
Nevertheless, I was happy that I could watch.

Another movie I really want to watch is "To Life". I hope it will be available on DVD soon.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: hanno on May 20, 2015, 08:43:16 pm
Hello,
I've just found an interesting article about FF 2:
http://www.germanfilmsquarterly.de/upc2_15_3.html
As this link is on the fb page of FF 2 (the producer's page) I think it might be reliable  ;)
(There's also a link to this entry on the fb of Max Riemelt)
I know what you mean. Right after watching FF I couldn't believe the end. I wanted the sequel immediately and was quite surprised there was none. But the longer I thought about the film the more I understood the end. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to the sequel.
I have heard about this fanfiction too but couldn't find it anywhere. So, just in case you get it could you please forward it to me? That would be really kind of you.

i 'm thinking about the special assignment mentioned in the storyline is very likely to be a massive demonstration lead by gay activists fighting for equal rights, and Marc as anti-riot police was sent to assist the berlin police to surpress the demonstration, who later find Kay is in that demonstration crowd.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 21, 2015, 07:50:23 am
I personally don't see Kay as an activist or attending a demonstration, he's too reserved.  He doesn't feel the need to be part of a group; he might support in other ways, but to march in the streets?  No, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: mariska on May 21, 2015, 09:02:14 am
i 'm thinking about the special assignment mentioned in the storyline is very likely to be a massive demonstration lead by gay activists fighting for equal rights, and Marc as anti-riot police was sent to assist the berlin police to surpress the demonstration, who later find Kay is in that demonstration crowd.

Hi Hanno (!),
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The director gave us a little info about a possible sequal and it is nice to share thoughts about this info and to hear several opinions and expectations about what possibly will happen.
Kay in a demonstration, interesting thought that never crossed my mind. I assumed that Kay would still be a police officer.

I agree with you Butler. That was the first thing I thought: Kay participating in a demonstration? I don't see that happen.
For the reasons you mentioned.
But we discussed Kay so much, who he is, what he would do or would not do, for me it's difficult to imagine something else that doesn't fit in that picture.
FF2 might be a big surprise for us too, when things are totally different than we expect.

Like I said, I think both Marc and Kai both participate to the special assignment as police officers. But if this is the case, I don't understand how it is possible that Marc couldn't find him.

I hope more people will share their thoughts, even if we don't agree. That makes it interesting.

Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: hanno on May 21, 2015, 06:26:56 pm
I personally don't see Kay as an activist or attending a demonstration, he's too reserved.  He doesn't feel the need to be part of a group; he might support in other ways, but to march in the streets?  No, I don't think so.

Hi butler,
You are right Kay is reserved, leading a demonstration is not his style, but attending is another thing. He might be just getting invovled. In the first movie we are given too little background of him, but one thing we know for sure is that he is not quite fit into the police lifestyle, therefore you can see him smoke marijuana outside the swimming pool, tease the trainer who had a talk with him after his absence from the class, and beat that homophobie colleage down in the canteen. Apart from Marc and Britt, he seems isolated from others. Remember the talk in the woods right before the first smoke kiss?
Kay: Ever heard of infiltrating the system?
Marc: Are you an anarchist?
Though it sounds like poking fun, I think Kay is actually not in the system, he is like an outsider, doesn't belong to this place. When he leaves Ludwichberg and heads to Berlin, it is not only Marc that is being left, he actually wants to start a new life in a gay-friendly city. Keep on living as a riot-police? Seriously? He abondon the house, the person he cares for so much, but not giving up a career that caged him? Come on, such a free spirit should not be tamed by all these rules.
It might be a better choice to be a photographer, a journalist, or a bar owner.
And this time he must has his circles, and a new date is also an almost nailed pattern in a sequal. What comes across my mind exactly is that Kay moves to berlin, meets someone new totally different from Marc, maybe a power bottom LOL. Then his new date, or maybe friend join in that marching, and he accompanied. And Marc with his helmet on recognised him in the crowd with someone else, completely shattered to find they are so close yet so far.
Sorry for being poor organised, and weak in grammer. I've been here for a while and read all these comments page by page. Finally i decide not letting language skills ruin my journey into that movie with you. Now i feel i'm in the league.
Title: Re: Free Fall - Freier Fall
Post by: morrobay on May 21, 2015, 07:52:01 pm