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The Riverton post office
« on: May 01, 2006, 01:48:04 pm »
Hi, gang:

Was just visiting TOB on IMDb, and someone posted this image of the real Riverton post office. Interesting to see, and imagine this as the scene of Ennis's receipt of those life-changing postcards, the 1967 one from Jack and the returned 'DECEASED' one from himself some fifteen years later. Here's the link:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/Hemond/Wyoming%20pics/RivertonPostOffice.jpg

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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2006, 05:34:35 pm »
Scott,   You didn't pose on the steps reading a postcard???    Awww

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2006, 05:57:42 pm »
Scott,   You didn't pose on the steps reading a postcard???    Awww
Oh, but I wasn't the one who took the picture. I'd have to go back to the IMDb thread to identify the user who posted it, but I think it was 'balrog' something...(I wonder if that person may now also be at BetterMost)?

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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2006, 05:59:23 pm »
In the movie, the only post office from where Ennis sent and received mail was the one in Riverton, Wyoming.

But, in the book, Ennis was not even in the same county as Riverton, Fremont, when he bought the Brokeback Mountain at Higgins Gift Shop. Ennis was working on the Stoutamire cow and calf outfit at Signal when he got the "Deceased" stamped postcard about the November meeting returned.

At least the post office in the movie also has a red brick front like the real one.

I just thought of why there are so many differences between Annie Proulx's story and the one which is told by the movie, those involved with the movie used "artistic license" in their interpretation/adaptation of the original short story.

I used "artistic license" when I drew and/or painted scenes, landscapes and/or buildings. People who had been to the location from where I got my inspiration knew exactly where the scene was from and some would even swear that what I composed was a picture perfect copy of the actual place. But, I would make changes just enough to make things look more pleasing to the eye.

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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2006, 06:05:06 pm »
Wow the guys in the film must have done their research cause the numbers above the real post office in Riverton are exactly the same in the film 82501. It is really sad that I recognise the number isn't it? Ah well. ::)
But also in the film did you notice that the first time Ennis goes to the post office to post the "You Bet" post card the numbers aren't there. But when he goes to recieve the "DECEASED" post card "82501" is above the door. Do you think this is a goof? Or was that done for a reason? ???

P.s I think this is best a time than any to inform you guys that there should soon be a quiz coming out and there will be questions like the 82501 question on there, so I would get revisin'.
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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2006, 09:31:36 pm »
The United States Postal Service, aka the US Post Office, did not use mail zip codes, in 1967, on their post offices. Small cities and larger ones did have postal zones prior to the days of the zip codes.

http://www.usps.com/history/his2_75.htm

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ZIP Code began on July 1, 1963, as scheduled. Use of the new code was not mandatory at first for anyone, but, in 1967, the Post Office required mailers of second- and third-class bulk mail to presort by ZIP Code. Although the public and mailers alike adapted well to its use, it was not enough.

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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 08:01:06 am »

But also in the film did you notice that the first time Ennis goes to the post office to post the "You Bet" post card the numbers aren't there. But when he goes to recieve the "DECEASED" post card "82501" is above the door. Do you think this is a goof? Or was that done for a reason? ???



Becky,
I think that was one of the very specific, but very subtle things done to show the passage of time. As TJ notes, zip codes came into use in 1963 but it wasn't until many years later that you started seeing them on the outside of post offices. I noticed it immediately in my very first viewing (no zip in 67, it was there in 83) and it immediately registered to me as time passing. You're not in the US, you're not used to our post offices.
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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 12:55:10 pm »
Another goof? You might not want to read on..

Mm, slightly off-topic, but did any one notice - or is it me and my blurred vision - but the postcards from Jack and Ennis seem to have the same handwriting (to me that is..). A goof?

Another goof - totally off-topic (of this thread).. again.. don't read on, if you don't want to know.. but after the motel scene when Ennis comes back to his house to collect his fishing stuff and drives off with Jack, it looks like there is only one person - the driver - in the truck. Yet, when they arrive at destination Ennis gets out of the passenger seat. Am I seeing ghosts.. or rather not seeing something..

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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2006, 01:18:55 pm »
Another goof? You might not want to read on..

Mm, slightly off-topic, but did any one notice - or is it me and my blurred vision - but the postcards from Jack and Ennis seem to have the same handwriting (to me that is..). A goof?


~ j U d E

Yes, their handwriting appears similar, but I always saw it as sort of immature...still writing like you might have in 7th or 8th grade, that sort of loopy, childish look. It makes sense (to me) for both of them to write that way.
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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2006, 01:50:34 pm »
By the way, I have a good friend who is a postal carrier. According to her:

-- The PO would never just stamp DECEASED on a piece of mail and send it back. (Not sure if she's right on this -- she wasn't working for the postal service in 1983).

-- Postal carriers DO read post cards (of course). Ennis and Jack were circumspect on their cards, but as I mentioned on another thread yesterday, if Ennis is going to get paranoid about someone seeing them talking in the driveway, why wouldn't he worry about this?

But maybe those are just artistic-license issues.




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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2006, 02:01:07 pm »
By the way, I have a good friend who is a postal carrier. According to her:

-- The PO would never just stamp DECEASED on a piece of mail and send it back. (Not sure if she's right on this -- she wasn't working for the postal service in 1983).


Yes, I have never seen the post office do this. Hospitals do, though.

Also, just because Jack is dead, the mail would still have delivered to Lureen, not returned to Ennis.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2006, 02:08:43 pm »
By the way, I have a good friend who is a postal carrier. According to her:

-- The PO would never just stamp DECEASED on a piece of mail and send it back. (Not sure if she's right on this -- she wasn't working for the postal service in 1983).

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Yes, I have never seen the post office do this. Hospitals do, though.

Also, just because Jack is dead, the mail would still have delivered to Lureen, not returned to Ennis.

At my job, we sometimes get returned mail and I have actually gotten a couple of pieces returned "deceased".
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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2006, 02:24:44 pm »
-- The PO would never just stamp DECEASED on a piece of mail and send it back. (Not sure if she's right on this -- she wasn't working for the postal service in 1983).

I am surprised to read this.  I have gotten back letters marked "recipient deceased - return to sender" before, but I honestly don't recall if that was someone at the residence handwriting it or if it was stamped that way by the post office.

I figured I'd look into this a little more and discovered some interesting things:

1) The individual postal carrier may mark "deceased" on an envelope and return it at their individual discretion, accounting for the sensitivity of the matter.  Some only do this on business-related mail - never on an individual's card or letter.  Others never do it at all for any reason.  It is completely inappropriate for a postal employee to be in a situation of being the first notifier of someone's passing, so they do take care to avoid this from happening.

2) Unless Lureen and Jack were divorced, there would never have been a reason for the post office to return a card addressed to her husband, unless she specifically requested that mail addressed to him not be delivered (which would make her a cold-hearted bitch, perhaps).  If a spouse passes away, their mail still arrives unless someone files a form with the post office to stop it.

3) I was somewhat surprised they bothered creating a fake facade for the Riverton PO, until you look closely at the crumbling current building.  They did get the basic design of their fake PO correct - plain and boring.  Of course, since they didn't film in Wyoming, I guess this isn't a big surprise.

4) Very few people bother sending postcards anymore (hell, if you're a kid at camp, you can just get on your Verizon or Sprint mobile and phone home), but they were commonly used 25+ years ago.  In rural delivery areas, people often screwed up address information, so the carrier would read the postcard in order to figure out where it was supposed to go.  Perhaps in rural areas, there still might be nosy mail carriers, but in most urban/suburban areas, no postal carrier has the time to spend sifting through other people's mail.

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Postal carriers DO read post cards (of course). Ennis and Jack were circumspect on their cards, but as I mentioned on another thread yesterday, if Ennis is going to get paranoid about someone seeing them talking in the driveway, why wouldn't he worry about this?

This and the reunion kiss were two things that always stuck out for me in the film.  Putting any little details on a postcard in plain site of a spouse or family member is playing with fire, and Ennis must have been terribly dense never to clue in on Alma's growing suspicion.  I'd expect him to have rented a PO box or at least tell Jack to send letters.  :-X  That, or just pick up the phone!  Reach out and touch someone.

As for that reunion kiss, I know enough closeted or uncomfortable people you can't even get away with holding hands in public.  A kiss like that would have never happened outdoors for them.

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But maybe those are just artistic-license issues.

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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2006, 03:03:00 pm »
In rural delivery areas, people often screwed up address information, so the carrier would read the postcard in order to figure out where it was supposed to go.  Perhaps in rural areas, there still might be nosy mail carriers, but in most urban/suburban areas, no postal carrier has the time to spend sifting through other people's mail.

As for that reunion kiss, I know enough closeted or uncomfortable people you can't even get away with holding hands in public.  A kiss like that would have never happened outdoors for them.

Thanks for doing that research, Phillip! For the record, my friend, who works in a suburban post office, says she HAS read post cards (and magazines and catalogues!). Probably not all of them, though. She does keep pretty busy.

Re the reunion kiss, to me the very fact that it DID happen outdoors and that Ennis initiated it (after carefully checking around, of course) says a lot about how overwhelmed he was by emotion at that moment. It WAS more reckless than you'd expect from him. Maybe if it hadn't been four years, he would have been more careful. Though even he admits that he doesn't trust himself to control what happens when this thing grabs hold of them.



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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2006, 03:30:36 pm »

It WAS more reckless than you'd expect from him.
I think that's part of what scares Ennis so much. I mean, yes, he's scared of what other people will see and think, and he's scarred by what his father forced him to see as a child. But I think Ennis is scared of his own inability to control his passion.

And of course, that's one of the things that's so wonderful about that scene -- to see Ennis lose control in a good way. And to see Jack's reaction... Jack's quite a dreamer, but how often do Jack's dreams actually come true?
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2006, 03:57:53 pm »
Nakymaton, I couldn't agree more with everything you said. When Ennis says "if this thing grabs hold of us at the wrong place, wrong time," he's not speculating -- it pretty much just did!

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2006, 04:38:35 pm »
Phillip, I believe it was Osanna who said in an Advocate interview, regarding whether Jack died via an accident or gay bashed, "well what could be worse then not knowing the true fate of the person you loved most." I am paraphrasing. Just as bad would be getting notified that the person you loved most has expired via a returned postcard. Nobody to show up at the door and let you know. No sympathetic phone call. Just bureaucratic coldness.

Then again, I was a bureacrat and I had to call ppl to "verify" if their son or daughter had past away.  Not an easy thing to do. You can only be so delicate about those things...I always felt reptilian after doing it.

Yes Becky, you do pay attn to details.  The number at the post office???   ;)

By the way, I thought that the post office where Ennis gets the notification of death looked like the same one he always used including mailing back the "you bet" postcard.  I don't remember him inside the postoffice. I bet it was a storefront they hijacked in Canada and put up a Riverton Postoffice sign...

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2006, 04:47:22 pm »
The thing about the post office in the movie... even though it doesn't look like the real Riverton post office, it looks exactly like the very generic 1960s-or-so vintage post office in the town where I grew up. (Well, the name and zip code were different. ;) ) But, to me, it looked like generic small town America. So it looked perfect to me, even if the real Riverton seems to have a much older (and larger) downtown area than the movie Riverton does.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2006, 04:50:17 pm »

By the way, I thought that the post office where Ennis gets the notification of death looked like the same one he always used including mailing back the "you bet" postcard.  I don't remember him inside the postoffice. I bet it was a storefront they hijacked in Canada and put up a Riverton Postoffice sign...

He is inside the post office when he writes the "You Bet" postcard.

Nakymaton: I agree...looks exactly like a rural post office...I have been in many of them over the years. From the pics and other things I have seen, "movie Riverton" is a much smaller town that real life Riverton.
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Re: The Riverton post office
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2006, 07:55:13 pm »

By the way, I thought that the post office where Ennis gets the notification of death looked like the same one he always used including mailing back the "you bet" postcard.  I don't remember him inside the postoffice. I bet it was a storefront they hijacked in Canada and put up a Riverton Postoffice sign...

He is inside the post office when he writes the "You Bet" postcard.

Nakymaton: I agree...looks exactly like a rural post office...I have been in many of them over the years. From the pics and other things I have seen, "movie Riverton" is a much smaller town that real life Riverton.

When the book Ennis wrote back "you bet," he gave the Riverton address of where he lived. But, the movie Ennis only wrote his "Ennis Del Mar" and "Riverton, Wyoming" in the return address section of the front of the card. The (movie prop) card which Jack sent didn't even have his address on it. How did Ennis know Jack's address in the movie? The book card-from-Jack had Jack's Childress, Texas address on it.

I have seen many small town post offices and even city branch POs which resembled the movie PO. I have a cousin who was the postmaster of a small town PO here in Oklahoma.