Re: Heath's best scene.
by moooooviefreak (Wed Apr 26 2006 19:26:33 )
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The thing about Heath is, he acts with his eyes. He shows every emotion through his eyes without saying a word. Now that is one reason he is so perfect to play Ennis, because Ennis is a man of very little words and they needed an actor who could portray emotions without even talking. Jake is another actor who can do this, so can Johnny Depp and Joaquin Phoenix. I love actors who can do that.
As for my favorite Heath scene? I cannot choose. It is just to difficult to pick.
"Jack fu*kin' Twist". Ennis Del Mar, Brokeback Mountain
Re: Heath's best scene.
by jpseacadets (Wed Apr 26 2006 21:44:59 )
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Why can't these two leave us alone, you ask? They can't
because we keep seeing ourselves in them: "It could
always be like this," "I did once," (Jack). "I'll
bring Ennis Del Mar up here and we'll lick this ranch
into shape," "He's got another fella who's gonna come
up here and help build this place," (John Twist of Jack).
Jack's the Dreamer of the two. Hanging onto Ennis and
believing he would somehow change his mind.
This is why I started this OP two months and 55 postings
ago. They haunt us.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by joyce023 (Mon May 8 2006 12:45:57 )
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by pretendervcj (Sun May 14 2006 18:17:18 )
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I think that Heath is a fantastic actor who always puts subtleties in his roles. BBM just gave everyone a reason to start noticing. Go back into some of his other films and watch for those subtle character definitions.
This film has stuck with me so much!
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by hsuvera (Mon May 15 2006 03:06:50 )
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The scene Ennis steps out the truck, fearless and alone. It carries the "western mood" for the film right on this act.
Heath's facial expressions are very intense and haunting.
A.Ennis' rage scenes are so authentic and frightened:
Fight with Jack upon the last day on Brokeback Mountain
Shouting to the stranger when he cried in the tunner after Jack drove away.
Fight with the bikers on 4th of July.
Upon hearing Alma said " Jack nasty"
Threat to Jack upon hearing about Mexico trip.
B.Ennis' sorry scenes carries a innocent and young looks:
At court for divorce with Alma.
Turned down Alma jr.'s proposal to move to his place.
Being questioned by Cassie at greyhound bus station.
The telephone call with Lauren.
C.Ennis' shy scenes take so much emotion and dizzy:
The second tent scene: before getting in and after getting in.
Wedding with Alma.
Cassie picked him up and later asked him to massage her feet.
It's hard to describe because many scenes are mixed and involved several emotional expressiona i.e. the meet the Twist's scene Ennis was at first a bit light up when John Twist said Jack talked about Ennis de Mal for twenty years, but his face gradully turned depressing upon hearing "the other guy" Jack would bring, in the same moment Ennis cleared the throat, how painful he was. Yet, Jack's mom put her hand on Ennis shoulder, Ennis calmed down at once.
And very typical "Heath's grin" seems he carries to all his films.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by jeaniebaby001 (Mon May 15 2006 03:24:42 )
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Many scenes are great, as mentioned by all. Personally, I have two favorites:
1. When he puts his fingers between his eyes and started to convulse, after telling Jack "well, why don't you?" when Jack said the famous I wish I could quit you line. I didn't know a man could do that.
2. This one is just cute. When he was talking about his sister and brother, that was pretty good acting there. And then, Jack raised his eyebrows at him. Ennis looks back at Jack with a very 'special' expression (like, flirty???) and said, "What?". I have never seen that expression before in the history of acting, I think he INVENTED a new expression.
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by revolution-hk (Mon May 15 2006 03:31:03 )
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Maybe you can add one more
3. After he told Jack "My daddy, he was a fine roper, but he didn't rodeo much. He thought all rodeo cowboys are fxxkers.", Jack returned him a strange look. His eyes starts rolling around, thinking he might just said something wrong and upset his new friend.
"If you can't fix it....call the support hot-line."
Re: Heath's best scene.
by jeaniebaby001 (Mon May 15 2006 03:45:44 )
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revolution-hk: LOL, that was him being mischievous because he was setting Jack up to see how Jack would react...and Jack did!
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by mal_300 (Sat Jun 10 2006 12:05:15 )
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My favourite scene was definitely after Jack let Ennis have it. Jack was voicing his frustration ("You have no idea how hard it gets sometimes!"), and Ennis turned around, and crumbled to a sobbing mess to the ground. Jack came over, telling him it's alright, cradling him in his arms.
How could the Oscar not have been awarded to him after such a tremendous performace? That scene crushes me every time I think or see it.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by bruno-32 (Sat Jun 10 2006 17:18:51 )
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I agree with almost everything you said...but for those same reasons I was disappointed when I did research on this actor. I've heard of him mainly by name in columns, but never saw a movie he was in till BBM. In my research, I found that for a 26 year old the guy is more mature than some adults I know..articulate and loyal to family and friends...but then i saw some recent pictures of him on the web...tatoos, earings and that aussie accent...just shattered my Ennis image. Its like Jeykl and Hyde. I hope I haven't offended anyone reading this about the earrings..."Ennis" wasn't that type..LOL
Re: Heath's best scene.
by agrawal_alka (Sat Jun 10 2006 18:11:38 )
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Heath really transformed himself for this role. I was shocked when I saw him interviewed and on the DVD. He doesn't look or sound anything like Ennis. And yet somehow he understood the character so well, even better than Annie Proulx, who created the character!
I'm not sure this scene is any great indicator of Heath's acting ability, but I really like the scene after the second tent scene when Ennis knocks off Jack's hat and they start chasing each other and horsing around and collapse on the ground kissing. Everything between them is always so serious and it's nice to see them so lighthearted. And it reminds you just how young they are.
I agree with the all the other scenes people have pointed out including the original post. I think the cinematography of Ennis riding the rocky ridge under the cloudy sky coupled with his stoic expression is one of the most beautiful in the film and is really an iconic image of the lone cowboy.
The opening scene of Ennis jumping out of the truck in Signal in 1963 has become more and more painful for me to watch, knowing that in a little over two hours 20 years of his life is going to go by and he'll end up a lonely and regretful person living in a claustrophic trailer.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by toycoon (Sat Jun 10 2006 19:02:54 )
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Oh agrawal alka-
I really like that sequence, too. They are SO serious prior to this and they seem so playful, contented and in love at that moment. No wonder Ennis is so bummed when they have to leave early.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by hprox345 (Sat Jun 10 2006 19:12:53 )
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jpseacadets, your description of your favorite scene was beautiful! I loved the entire movie, so I can't pick just one scene, but I think Heath did a really good job w/ the scene at the carnival when he punchs the man for talking crudely while his daughters are there!
Re: Heath's best scene.
by jpseacadets (Sat Jun 10 2006 21:25:12 )
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His lonely horse ride...very stoic, just like his character. Very much
like the imagery of the lone cowboy in SHANE. I'm the original poster.
I'm thrilled that you like my favorite scene from this extraordinary film.
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by daphne7661 (Sat Jun 10 2006 22:03:14 )
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Oh My - are there ANY scenes in which Heath is not absolutely flawless?! I don't think so, but the one which really stands out for me is when he deflects being on the defense from Jack's "I did once" accusation and takes the offense at the lake scene.
When he suspects that Jack has been to Mexico and been unfaithful to him with another man (note that they talk about sex with wives and other women all the time and NEVER get jealous!), his soulful eyes bear into Jack's with a hurt jealousy that is beyond real....
"You been a Mexico, Jack Twist? Hunh? 'Cause I know what they got in Mexico for boys like you. ***** I'm gonna tell you this one time, Jack **bleep** Twist, and I ain't foolin'.... What I don't know? All them THINGS that I don't know? Might get you killed if I should come to know them... I ain't jokin' " [TURNS AND SPITS].
My God, I get goosebumps at his emotional range here.....
Re: Heath's best scene.
by beans1030 (Sun Jun 11 2006 11:24:44 )
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My favorite scenes are:
Where Ennis opens up to Jack about his brother and sister, and not talking for a year.
The 2nd tent scene...I just see him let go of all of his fears, even if it's for a short time.
From when he sees Jack pull up, after 4 yrs of being apart, all the way through their 1st "fishing trip." He's just so emotional in all of that, it really gets to me.
I, too, thought he was great in the Thanksgiving dinner kitchen scene. It just shows his love for Jack, his own way of protecting him, and their "secret"
Re: Heath's best scene.
by edd_joey (Sun Jun 11 2006 11:49:46 )
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Ennis in Jack's parents house. Simply heartbreaking the moment when he finds the shirts
You have turned me into this...
Re: Heath's best scene.
by bruno-32 (Thu Jun 22 2006 07:09:24 )
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"You been a Mexico, Jack Twist? Hunh? 'Cause I know what they got in Mexico for boys like you. ***** I'm gonna tell you this one time, Jack **bleep** Twist, and I ain't foolin'.... What I don't know? All them THINGS that I don't know? Might get you killed if I should come to know them... I ain't jokin' " [TURNS AND SPITS].>>>
Definitely one of his best scenes...but lets take the 'above' statement in context..Ennis was a loner, homophbic, we have to assume he has never spoken to anyone about 'queers", so how come he knew all about Mexico and what went on there?
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by Axewind129201 (Tue Jul 4 2006 11:04:34 )
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The ending is good, its so inarticulate (my favorite word) Ennis just stares and cries. I like the scene when Ennis and Jack are in the bar,near the beginning,and the one scene where Jack is about to go all crazy with the dancing from Ennis's "rodeo cowboys are all f u c k ups" I like how he doesn't really catch Jacks eyes (something gay men often don't do when they find someone attractive) He looks away so quickly,I got what he meant right away. The "I wish I knew how to quit you" scene,of course is good.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by agrawal_alka (Wed Jun 14 2006 17:07:36 )
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by toycoon (Tue Jul 4 2006 12:11:00 )
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... your posts are so very articulate and well thought out.
I guess I was sucked up into the tale right from the get-go. I can't pick a favorite scene because to me, the entire movie is so perfectly crafted that I don't see it as parts but as a whole.
I can, however, watch the reunion kiss over and over. I never saw it coming the first time I watched the movie. I was just as surprised as Jack with Ennis' response!
Re: Heath's best scene.
by coffeecat33 (Tue Jul 4 2006 12:40:58 )
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Oh Ennis.... when he talks about his brother and sister, doin' the best they could and the little "whut?' with the coy smile at the end. The last line with the tears in his eyes. I think my favorite is when he is in the apartment, drinking beers & chain smoking waiting for Jack - if he shows. Ennis instinctively knows the truck that just pulled up is Jack even before he looks out the window. The reunion kiss - which knocked me out!
"[If] you're not with him, you'll regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life."
Re: Heath's best scene.
by Santinos_Bridesmade (Sat Jul 8 2006 18:05:20 )
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I love, love, love the second tent scene. He's so vulnerable in that scene, like a shy little boy working up courage to stand up to someone. How he gathers himself to go into the tent.....how he kneels before Jack, unsure and hesitant.....glancing around, unable to look Jack in the eye.....trying to gather something in him that he suddenly lost.....how he pulls away at first when Jack tries to kiss him, then submits willingly, realizing it's alright to feel this way.....Heath's performance here just blows me away every time. That scene alone, automatic Oscar!! One of the biggest snubs in Academy history...
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by Dbrockerskk (Sat Jul 8 2006 20:28:56 )
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His still, set, and stricken face during the divorce scene. Not a word spoken. It's all there.
The kitchen sink scene where Alma finally confronts him.
by bobweaver (Sat Jul 8 2006 20:32:58 )
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That scene convinced me that Heath should have won the Oscar. The slowly building anger as he realizes Alma's on to him and he's been lying to her all this time, the sudden explosive reaction - it was gripping
Re: The kitchen sink scene where Alma finally confronts him.
by jpseacadets (Sat Jul 8 2006 21:45:14 )
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I'm the OP and your "not a word spoken," Dbrockerskk, is Heath's chief
acting asset in this film. You don't need words in a role of suppressed
emotions like Ennis DelMar. Heath possesses this understated quality and
it fits perfectly like hand in glove. It's always good to see a part that
is well cast as this one certainly was. That others who are in the Academy
didn't recognize this and reward it appropriately is not Heath's failing,
but theirs. His work in this film is nothing short of amazing.
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Re: The kitchen sink scene where Alma finally confronts him.
by Santinos_Bridesmade (Wed Aug 2 2006 18:17:29 )
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Heath was great in the Thanksgiving confrontation too. He was so believable in his conveyance of rage and restaint - Ennis being urged to hit Alma, then storming out of there before he could, then picking a fight with a random person to vent his emotions. Everything about Heath's performance was flawless.
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by kevinmcg (Wed Jul 19 2006 17:53:30 )
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Discovering the shirts, hands down. Love, lonliness, longing, fear, pain, regret. All acted beautifully, done with no one else on screen and done without a single word being spoken.
Jack n' Ennis forever
Re: Heath's best scene.
by StreetWithNoName (Wed Jul 19 2006 22:42:10 )
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"This Kurt fella...he loves you?"
"Yeah, daddy...he loves me."
[Ennis pensively stares out the window]
The emotional nuance of Heath's performance during this scene is mind-blowing. I would've given him the Oscar based on that minute alone.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by drjdm319 (Thu Jul 20 2006 08:11:37 )
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His face when he brings his 2 kind to the grocery store and Alma asks him "What about my job?"
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by drjdm319 (Thu Jul 20 2006 08:13:46 )
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sorry, 2 kids....
Re: Heath's best scene.
by Santinos_Bridesmade (Fri Jul 21 2006 13:29:39 )
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The scene where he discovers the shirts and hugs them carefully is......I can't find words. Heath is simply incredible there. You just can read the loss, remorse, lonliness, the final revelation that took 20 years to get to him. Heath may have missed out on an Oscar this time, but like hell it's his only chance. He'll get his Oscar!! He should, he can and he will!
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by HeathandMichelle (Mon Jul 24 2006 07:35:13 )
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The confrontation scene, It's because of you I'm like this, I'm nothing. The pain on his face when he falls to the ground in Jack's arms will stay with me forever.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by jubinne (Mon Jul 24 2006 14:10:52 )
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This was the first movie I saw from Heath Ledger and I was amazed at his masterful performance to bring a fictional character to the screen with such an intensity. He deserved all the nominations and awards he got. He didn't get the Oscar, but to me Oscar is not everything. As long as Academy members who vote without even seeing all the nominated films, as long as the members vote for friends and words of mouth, what do you expect? I am a Sag member and I saw all the nominated films before casting my vote for this beautiful film. Heath Ledger's performance will stay with me for as long as I live.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by stephen-mellor (Mon Jul 24 2006 15:37:31 )
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For me, it's the "Whut?", just before Jack says "Friend, that's more words than you've said in the last two weeks."
All the other scenes are indeed powerful and worthy, but "Whut?" is my favorite. He looks so vulnerable.
"Tent don't look right" always make me laugh too.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by SnickerD (Wed Aug 23 2006 12:55:49 )
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For me, it's the "Whut?", just before Jack says "Friend, that's more words than you've said in the last two weeks."
All the other scenes are indeed powerful and worthy, but "Whut?" is my favorite. He looks so vulnerable.
>>I love that scene too, especially Ennis saying "Whut?" He is also very sexy/flirty in his delivery of that "whut?" Also it stands out to me how he continues to open up and chat away to his soon to be lover with no pushing from Jack<<
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Re: Heath's best scene.
by Doug-Nasty (Tue Jul 25 2006 15:49:12 )
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To jubinne: Thanks for your thoughts! It must be tough being so involved with "the industry" and seeing all the inequities and plain unfairness of an industry that is supposed to represent and highlight the best in the art of filmaking. Stand your ground, and stick to your principles. Your input is sorely needed in Hollywood!
"What do you do Ennis Del Mar?" "This mornin' I was castratin' calves."
Doug O'Connor
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by Doug-Nasty (Mon Jul 24 2006 15:55:43 )
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To jpseacadets: Hard to top this one! I'll pay even closer attention next viewing! Another favourite, is when he and Jack are talking about their families, and their essentially lonely upbringing, and Heath's sincere, almost warm look as he starts to finally "open up" to Jack, his soon to be, "Best Friend."
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by honeybellashley (Mon Jul 24 2006 16:51:36 )
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I Like when he says what are you doing? in the tent before things get "Intimate"
Re: Heath's best scene.
by Amry0217 (Tue Jul 25 2006 20:22:17 )
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I thought Joaquin Phoenix deserved the Oscar this year - no two ways about it. But after watching Heath Ledger's performance here, I'm totally confused who deserved it more. Every scene he did was better for him being in it.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by vcarson101 (Wed Aug 2 2006 18:52:05 )
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jpseacadets that was beautifully put
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by androphile (Mon Aug 14 2006 19:39:38 )
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The entire scene at the Twists' farmhouse. The sparse dialogue is haunting enough, but what he (and Jack's parents in turn) express with their eyes speaks volumes. The scene would be, for me, unbearable if not for the comfort Ennis gets from Mrs. Twist's loving gazes. She knows that he loved her son and she loves him for it, his gender matters not a bit. Of course, the peak is the part in Jack's room where Heath is alone and has no dialogue at all. With his discovery of the "nested shirts," he is confronted with tangible evidence of Jack's abiding love for him. When he caresses them and tries to find some trace scent of Jack in them, we see the last remnants of any denial of his love for Jack he might have yet had, get swept away, like a dam breaking. It's miraculous acting and the most heartbreaking scene I've ever seen in any film because Jack is no longer there for Ennis to declare his love to. All right, excuse me, I have to go away and cry now.
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Re: Heath's worst scenes. (Gasp!)
by Clyde-B (Sat Sep 16 2006 07:45:27 )
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Don’t get me wrong, these scenes aren’t even close to being bad. They aren't even close to being mediocre. As far as I’m concerned, Heath is the best thing in the whole picture.
But look closely at his body language in all his intimate scenes with Michelle, especially his hands. There are all these little movements like stroking her nose, or gently brushing the hair from her forehead, or carressing her breast. All those unscripted, unnecessary moments of tender contact that are done in real life just as an excuse to touch the person you love.
He does them frequently with Michelle, but he barely does them at all with Jake or anybody else.
I guess love really is a force of nature.
I'm not sure...are you bugged by the scenes or...?
by toycoon (Sat Sep 16 2006 10:12:11 )
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is it that you thought Ennis should have demonstrated some of those tender gestures towards Jack. I sense that in Ennis' mind just doing anything nice for a man is above and beyond what is expected.
I think that is why some folks find it so hard to believe Ennis could whisper the words, "I love you" at all.
Re: I'm not sure...are you bugged by the scenes or...?
by Clyde-B (Sat Sep 16 2006 10:26:40 )
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Usually, body language speaks the truth even when your not willing to admit it to yourself.
What I meant was that I don't think Heath was very good at hiding the fact that he really was in love with Michelle. (Even though Ennis wasn't supposed to be in love with Alma.)
It didn't bug me, I actually thought it was kind of sweet.
Re: I'm not sure...are you bugged by the scenes or...?
by ScissorhandsRaineyluv (Sat Sep 16 2006 10:38:57 )
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Sorry Clyde,but I disagree.Heath can't hide it offsreen, but onscreen I didn't see any chemistry whatsoever.I'll give you the snow scene, but that's it.His body language toward Michelle's character said I'm not interested in you throughout the whole movie.
Ah well, just my opinion of course
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Re: I'm not sure...are you bugged by the scenes or...?
by jpseacadets (Sat Sep 16 2006 12:12:46 )
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As I'm the original poster for this thread, may I correct? His one scene with
Alma that gives away the fact he's not in love with her is the scene where
she's embracing him from behind and we can see his eyes are closed. It's
obvious he's pretending Jack is doing the embracing and not Alma.
As for no chemistry between he and Jack, what do you call their flashback
scene? If you pay as much close attention as you claim you'd see he's in
love with Jack more than he is with his wife, Clyde.
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by toycoon (Sat Sep 16 2006 12:37:03 )
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It's been such a long time, I didn't know you were still around.
I've always thought one of the best things about being in a same-sex relationship is not having to adhere to the conventional rules. My husband and I rarely celebrate Valentine's Day on February 14th mainly because everybody else does. We are already sexual outlaws so why conform?
Back to the main OT, Ennis treats Alma differently because she is a woman. She is smaller and not as strong as him. It's clear Ennis has been taught to protect women as the weaker sex. It's only later at the Thanksgiving scene when both of the them forget the rules for a moment and Alma confronts Ennis with her knowledge about his 'secret desire'. Ennis flips out and totally loses control to the point where he would have struck her if she had not yelled out for Munroe.
Ennis has no experience to draw upon when he is embracing, cuddling or showing affection to a man. All he knows is that men should be stronger, fearless and be able to deal with challenges stoically.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by BDCNewYork (Fri Sep 22 2006 03:00:29 )
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this is a good thread...
Re: Heath's best scene.
by HeathandMichelle (Fri Sep 22 2006 05:06:28 )
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Knowing, as we do, that at the time of filming Heath and Michelle were just starting their love affair. I think I see some chemistry between Heath and Michelle on screen. I know the Ennis character does not have attraction towards Alma, but the attaction Heath has for Michelle, even a superb actor as Heath, you cannot fully hide it. It's funny when I see the love scene of Alma and Ennis (the characters) I visualize Heath and Michelle (the people).
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by BannerHill (Wed Dec 13 2006 05:34:26 )
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I have never read this thread. Hard for me to believe since I have been on this board for a long time. I totally agree with the OP, but I have not read the other posts.
Re: Heath's best scene.
by Shasta254 (Tue Dec 26 2006 02:31:35 )
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Now what is your best Heath scene?
One of my favorites is when he leaves camp after TS1, hears the dog, and rides toward the herd. I love to watch him ride--he and the horse are like one. It's beautiful to watch such a skillful horseman. Sometimes I reverse just to watch again.
"Gettin' tired of your dumbass missin'!"