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Faith Based Toys - your take?
« on: July 30, 2007, 09:37:47 am »
I saw this article on BBC news about Walmart stockign a new range of faith based toys. I thought it was interesting but I wans't sure how I felt about it. I beleive there is something more than us out there but I wouldn't say I'm a religious but certainly not an athiest.

I so have a nagging feeling that this is just a way to make money out of religion. Are they selling out? Doesn't seem to be like this is going to be a not for profit organisation that gives the money back to charities etc.

Also, Walmart are giving a lot of space to this new area of religious stuff - yet they won't sell brokeback and other gay themed consumables (I'm correct in saying that, am I not?)  because of religious groups protests? Why not equal opportunities when it comes to shelf space?

Faith-based toys to hit US stores
By Laura Smith-Spark
BBC News, Washington 

Instead of Spiderman or Bratz dolls, children in the US could soon be clutching a talking Jesus toy, a bearded Moses or a muscle-bound figure of Goliath.
From the middle of August, Wal-Mart, the biggest toy retailer in the US, will for the first time stock a full line of faith-based toys.

The Bible-based action figures will initially be given two feet of shelf space in 425 of the company's 3,300 stores nationwide.

There, the Tales of Glory dolls will take on what their makers are calling "the battle for the toy box" with some of the nation's most popular action figures.

The market is notoriously hard to crack, with every child wanting what their friends at school have and high-profile brands like Transformers and Spiderman dominating marketing.

So will the 12in (30cm) Jesus doll quoting scripture or the 3in (8cm) figure of Daniel in the lion's den open up children's imaginations - and their parents' wallets?

'Spiritual journey'

David Socha, founder of One2believe, the company which makes the dolls, is confident the demand is there for "God-honouring" toys which reflect Christian teachings and morality.

"We get a lot of people, even people who are not of faith, don't go to church, saying 'I've got a four and a six-year-old and I don't know what to get them any more'," he said.

"If you go in a toy aisle in any major retailer, you will see toys and dolls that promote and glorify evil, destruction, lying, cheating.

"In the girls' aisle where the dolls would be, you see dolls that are promoting promiscuity to very young girls. Dolls will have very revealing clothes on, G-string underwear."

What his company offers instead is "something faith-based that is not only fun to play with but also is solidifying a person's spiritual wherewithal and their spiritual journey", he said.

Retail boom

In offering a faith-based alternative to the commercial mainstream, Mr Socha is tapping into a broader nationwide trend.

Sales of so-called Christian products, including books, music, clothes and gifts, have climbed steadily from $4bn (£2bn) in 2000 to $4.63bn last year, according to the Association for Christian Retail.

Accounting for part of that growth is a boom in Christian fantasy fiction, some of it written in response to some Christians' unease over the use of magic in the Harry Potter books.

According to the Book Industry Study Group, sales of religious books went up by 5.6% in 2006. Another survey suggests Christian book-buyers spend half as much again on books as the average American.

Nearly 12% of Americans spend more than $50 a month on religious products and another 11% spend $25-29 a month, according to a Baylor University study, with one in three Americans surveyed making at least one purchase a year in a Christian bookshop.

Nancy Guthrie, of the Association for Christian Retail, said: "Over the past decade there has been a significant openness in the broader market place for Christian products.

"All kinds of retailers have recognised that there are a lot of people out there who want books and music and gifts that reflect their faith."

The fact that two Christian books topped US best-seller lists in 2001, one of which was the fantasy novel Desecration, helped raise awareness of the availability of such products, she said.

Following on from that, Mel Gibson's 2004 film The Passion of the Christ "awoke people to the interest and market for Christian media and entertainment", Ms Guthrie added.

'Wholesome things'

Wal-Mart spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien said it made sense for the retail giant - which has carried religious items before but never a full line of faith-based toys - to try to reach that audience too.

The stores chosen for the initial sales of the Tales of Glory dolls are those where other religion-based products such as Bibles and gospel music have sold very well, she said.

Most are in Wal-Mart's heartlands in America's South and Mid West, although a few stores in California and north-east Pennsylvania will also stock the figures, which are aimed at three- to 12-year-olds and all come with a book telling their story.
"It's really a test to see how consumers will respond," she said. "We anticipate there may be parents and teachers who would find these toys beneficial in teaching biblical stories."

Laurie Schacht, president of industry publication The Toy Book, believes faith-based toys could sell well in the right market place, although they will not be to everyone's taste.

"I think there are parents who want the hottest things that are out there and I think there are parents who want to give their children more wholesome things," she said.

"I think it's going to be a parent purchase much more than what the child wants. I think there's a market and I think Wal-Mart sees that and has given shelf space for it."

Ms Schacht points out that there have been faith-based toys, such as the Precious Moments range, in specialist Christian stores for years but that this will be the first time a mass retail outlet has jumped into the market.

As for their appeal to children? "Like everything else, if the toys have 'play value' and you put them in front of a child, they will do well," she said.

Mr Socha says making the figures attractive to young people has been at the heart of the project - and they have been tried and tested on Sunday school and church groups.

"If the kids aren't engaged and having fun, then we might as well not do it," he said.

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Published: 2007/07/30 09:07:26 GMT

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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 05:53:16 pm »
in my opinion they are selling out



i could see it IF they were giving most of the money  to  charity or something of that nature but if its to make a profit then yes  they are in deed selling out and after the  rukus  of  bbm  i wont stock it 


but then again i had a  old snotty  bitch that ive worked with for 4 years run her big damn mouth bout harry potter   

i want to know why it is that harry potter is bad cause of witch craft  spells but narnia was   backed by christian groups


kinda hypocritical  to back one witch/spell caster, i say that cause the main evil character in narnia cast spells and was called a witch,
 over one that does the same thing


organized religion has lost  all its credentials to me atleast to my hypocritical bullshit followin the rules they want to and  ignoring the ones that they dont
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2007, 06:46:52 pm »
What about the thing about "Thou Shalt Not Make Idols," or whatever it is?

I don't really care.  Honestly, I'd rather find my daughter playing with a Moses doll, or even a Pontius Pilate doll ;) than a Bratz doll - I hate what those things represent.

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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 09:49:23 am »
Faith-based toys to hit US stores
By Laura Smith-Spark
BBC News, Washington 

Instead of Spiderman or Bratz dolls, children in the US could soon be clutching a talking Jesus toy, a bearded Moses or a muscle-bound figure of Goliath.
From the middle of August, Wal-Mart, the biggest toy retailer in the US, will for the first time stock a full line of faith-based toys.

The Bible-based action figures will initially be given two feet of shelf space in 425 of the company's 3,300 stores nationwide.


Bad taste--but they'll sell in the Bible belt.
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 10:09:46 am »
The Fundamentalists are gonna love  it and the Jehovah's Witnesses are gonna freak out.   I seem to recall that one of my nieces had a Noah's Ark play-set with 2 of all the basic animals and a Mr and Mrs Noah about 10 years ago.   I didn't think much about it at the time but... Jesus Action figures  :P  Nope think I'd take a pass on THAT.  As a person of faith I don't think I would want to trivialize it in the minds of children by making a plaything out of one it's most central and sacred figures.
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 10:59:47 am »
The Fundamentalists are gonna love  it and the Jehovah's Witnesses are gonna freak out.   I seem to recall that one of my nieces had a Noah's Ark play-set with 2 of all the basic animals and a Mr and Mrs Noah about 10 years ago.   I didn't think much about it at the time but... Jesus Action figures  :P  Nope think I'd take a pass on THAT.  As a person of faith I don't think I would want to trivialize it in the minds of children by making a plaything out of one it's most central and sacred figures.

Kids have been playing with Noah's Arks for centuries, but I agree with you on the idea of a Jesus action figure:  :P

Maybe if they did a Samson all properly muscly. ...  ;)  ;D

And Walmart is the Great Satan anyway. ...  >:(
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 11:17:18 am »
I saw the action figure today in the paper - and Samson was all big & muscely!!!
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 11:31:30 am »
I saw the action figure today in the paper - and Samson was all big & muscely!!!

  :laugh:  ;D  ;)

A sudden thought: I bet they'd never do a David and his beloved friend Jonathan!  :laugh:
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 01:27:40 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2007, 01:31:11 pm »
This is Samson:


Jesus H.! He looks like he belongs in the World Wrestling Federation!  :laugh:

My guess is he's probably not, er, anatomically correct. Like Ken.  :laugh:
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2007, 01:38:52 pm »
heheheh and notice he is the same size as the goliath doll!?!
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2007, 02:10:41 pm »
heheheh and notice he is the same size as the goliath doll!?!

That's Goliath in the "armor"?

Goes to show the inconsistency in thinking on the part of Fundamentalists. Goliath is hardly a Biblical "hero." In fact he might be considered a "bad guy."

Is there a David to kill Goliath? I mean, seriously?  :-\
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2007, 05:18:17 pm »
Nope! Perhaps a scrwny kid doesn't make a good action figure?!

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2007, 06:55:09 pm »
Nope! Perhaps a scrwny kid doesn't make a good action figure?!



They could have made him built like Michaelangelo's statue of David.  ;D

(I'm sure they would add a fig leaf, however. ...)
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2007, 10:19:45 pm »
That's Goliath in the "armor"?

Goes to show the inconsistency in thinking on the part of Fundamentalists. Goliath is hardly a Biblical "hero." In fact he might be considered a "bad guy."

Is there a David to kill Goliath? I mean, seriously?  :-\

Is there an action Delilah to cut off Samson's - er - hair?  ;D

Is there - what was that guy's name who cut-off foreskins?  Or the guy who killed with his accessory jawbone of an ass?

OK, I'm starting to have waaaaaaaaay too much fun with this.  Is there a Lot family series?  Action daughters, a pillar of salt for a mother and Lot with his wineskins and easily removable clothing?

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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2007, 10:57:39 pm »
Or the guy who killed with his accessory jawbone of an ass?

I think that was Samson--before Delilah cut his hair.  :P
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2007, 09:00:28 am »
I think the people who invented these dolls either don't know kids or forgot about their own childhood. I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this comment but I can't help myself. Lots of kids play "doctor" or "mom and dad" with action figures, don't they? My friends and I used to pair up barbie with GI Joe. They used to have a wild time together! So, some parents are going to be scandalized when they see their kids pairing Moses with Virgin Mary or Moses with Samson!  Don't you think? LOL
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2007, 09:38:24 am »
"Mommy, I like my Samson doll's dress.  Can I have one too?"  "No Timmy, you certainly may not."  "Why Mommy?  Samson's wearing one, and he's a faith-based action doll..."



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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2007, 10:11:02 am »
Is there an action Delilah to cut off Samson's - er - hair?  ;D

Is there - what was that guy's name who cut-off foreskins?  Or the guy who killed with his accessory jawbone of an ass?

Sure enough, that was Samson.  ;D

The bride price for David's first wife was a bunch of Philistine foreskins.  :P
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2007, 01:41:41 pm »
"Mommy, I like my Samson doll's dress.  Can I have one too?"  "No Timmy, you certainly may not."  "Why Mommy?  Samson's wearing one, and he's a faith-based action doll..."




Clarissa, that's priceless.

Not to mention his fabulous wristlets and headband!

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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2007, 01:57:13 pm »
Is Samson considered a bear?   ???
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2007, 02:00:45 pm »
Is Samson considered a bear?   ???

Not furry enough. 8)

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2007, 02:02:41 pm »
Not furry enough. 8)

 :)  OK---thanks! Too smooth, huh?
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2007, 02:16:48 pm »
He might be considered a studbull though... if that term is still being thrown around.
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« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2007, 02:30:18 pm »
Clarissa, that's priceless.

Not to mention his fabulous wristlets and headband!

The shoes! Don't forget the shoes!

The sandals are way cool!  ;D

I think you can get them from International Male. ...)
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2007, 02:37:40 pm »
MMmm  - New Testament Section:

I guess the DELUXE Jesus doll comes with water-walking sandals
and thirteen boyfriends - one of whom is a kisser.

Then there's the water into wine Jesus kit.

and the Lazarus embalming kit - oops.

I guess the crucifix with removable nails and holy blood is out of stock/taste.

Then there's the feeding 5000 cookbook.


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« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2007, 02:43:48 pm »



      Toast: :laugh:        :laugh:



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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2007, 02:55:58 pm »



      He looks like a wwf action figure, in this corner Sampson, and in the other corner Goliath.  The long awaited
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2007, 03:39:06 pm »
Toast - you're hilarious!


I'd totally buy the water-into-wine kit, provided it's the instant n' golden bouquet brand.

Erm.... so I'm not sold on the whole faith based toys thing, although I think it's a more than blurry line to other faith-based products - all sorts of figurines, rosaries, pictures, wallhangings, knick-knacks, books of every variety, and what not. Faith sure has been and remains a rich field to till, financially speaking. Let's not go into that bit about the golden calf or about not gathering treasures on earth....

I was wondering about the anatomical details of those figures too. Of course I was.  ;)

And about what female action figures there are, and how they differ from those always-available Mary figurines of various sizes and shapes. Perhaps there's a Jezebel doll with detachable limbs.  :(
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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2007, 04:05:06 am »
well i don't think there is any female ones - go figure eh?
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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2007, 09:19:26 am »
well i don't think there is any female ones - go figure eh?

No need for it. Barbie's already Ever Virgin, just like Mary.
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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2007, 11:59:35 am »
No need for it. Barbie's already Ever Virgin, just like Mary.

LOL An blond rich virgin with the perfect body!
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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2007, 12:42:16 pm »
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Kelda: Also, Walmart are giving a lot of space to this new area of religious stuff - yet they won't sell brokeback and other gay themed consumables (I'm correct in saying that, am I not?)  because of religious groups protests? Why not equal opportunities when it comes to shelf space?

Actually, the Wal-Mart in my town sold Brokeback.  I think they all do.

Online too:

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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2007, 02:48:18 pm »



     What no Salome, with separate head of John the Baptist on a silver plate.  Or  Queen Esther who single handedly saved the Jews from anhialation.  I guess faith is still aimed at the forskin crowd.



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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2007, 04:47:36 pm »
Actually, the Wal-Mart in my town sold Brokeback.  I think they all do.

Online too:

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The Walmarts in Indiana sell/sold Brokeback Mountain too, Laura. But when I bought my copy on the first day of its DVD release, the cashier gave me some disparaging looks and a couple of smart ass comments too.  :(
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2007, 04:51:03 pm »
The Walmarts in Indiana sell/sold Brokeback Mountain too, Laura. But when I bought my copy on the first day of its DVD release, the cashier gave me some disparaging looks and a couple of smart ass comments too.  :(

You should've complained. She isn't suppose to tell you anything. Companies react well to bigotry complaints regardless of their corporate ideals. Next time ask for the manager or tell her to shut up.
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Re: Faith Based Toys - your take?
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2007, 08:19:32 pm »
You should've complained. She isn't suppose to tell you anything. Companies react well to bigotry complaints regardless of their corporate ideals. Next time ask for the manager or tell her to shut up.

Exactly.  She's not being paid to express her personal opinions on the clock.