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The Gay Marriage Amendment No Laughing Matter
« on: May 18, 2006, 04:38:11 pm »
Hayen’s hearing definitely made headline today, but there is another important hearing going on at the same time.  Specter and Feingold’s exchange added comedy ingredient to the news, but this is no laughing matter  >:(.  Dumba** conservatives with their self proclaimed “righteousness” [sigh].

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/18/senate.gaymarriage.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate committee approved a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage Thursday, after a shouting match that ended when one Democrat strode out and the Republican chairman bid him "good riddance."
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Re: No Laughing Matter
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2006, 10:38:27 pm »
I am yet to hear a convincing argument against same sex marriage.  When are they going to get it?!  Leaders who carry on like children playing with legislation to tell people what they should be entitled to!  Makes me sick.
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Re: No Laughing Matter
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2006, 10:40:06 pm »
They're always trying to legislate morality FOOLS....they need to get out of everyone bed rooms and back to business!

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Re: No Laughing Matter
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2006, 12:41:16 pm »
and the pundits are responding............


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Re: No Laughing Matter
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2006, 12:42:20 pm »
and the pundits are responding............



ROFLOL....you and those pundits Vic...

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Re: No Laughing Matter
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2006, 01:06:01 pm »
Vicky,

These are great! Will send them to some of my friends.  Had big argument with them in the past on this issue. 

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Re: No Laughing Matter
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2006, 01:10:44 pm »
12 Reasons Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society

1.   Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
2.   Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.
3.   Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
4.   Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5.   Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
6.   Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
7.   Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
8.   Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
9.   Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
10.   Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11.   Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
12.   Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.


If you have more jokes, cartoons, etc. on how ridiculous the proposed amendment is, send it this way.

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Re: No Laughing Matter
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2006, 01:41:47 pm »

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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2006, 01:46:24 pm »
"We cannot accept the view that Amendment 2's prohibition on specific legal protections does no more than deprive homosexuals of special rights. To the contrary, the amendment imposes a special disability on those persons alone. Homosexuals are forbidden the safeguards that others enjoy or may seek without constraint"

-Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority of the U.S. Supreme Court in the decision overturning Colorado's Amendment 2 referendum 


Ask just about anyone. They'll all tell you they're in favor of equal rights for homosexuals. Just name the situation, and ask. They'll all say, yes, gays should have the same rights in housing, jobs, public accomodations, and should have equal access to government benefits, equal protection of the law, etcetera, etcetera.

Then you get to gay marriage.

And that's when all this talk of equality stops dead cold.

More than half of all people in the United States oppose gay marriage, even though three fourths are otherwise supportive of gay rights. This means that many of the same people who are even passionately in favor of gay rights oppose gays on this one issue.

Why all the passion?

It's because there is a lot of misunderstanding about what homosexuality really is, as well as the erroneous assumption that gay people enjoy the same civil rights protections as everyone else. There are also a lot of stereotypes about gay relationships, and even a great deal of misunderstanding of what marriage itself is all about and what its purpose is.

The purpose of this essay, then, is to clear up a few of these misunderstandings and discuss some of facts surrounding gay relationships and marriage, gay and straight.

First, let's discuss what gay relationships are really all about. The stereotype has it that gays are promiscuous, unable to form lasting relationships, and the relationships that do form are shallow and uncommitted. And gays do have such relationships!

But the important fact to note is that just like in straight society, where such relationships also exist, they are a small minority, and exist primarily among the very young. Indeed, one of the most frequent complaints of older gay men is that it is almost impossible to find quality single men to get into a relationship with, because they're already all 'taken!'

If you attend any gay event, such as a Pride festival or a PFLAG convention, you'll find this to be true. As gays age and mature, just like their straight cohorts, they begin to appreciate and find their way into long-term committed relationships.

The values that such gay couples exhibit in their daily lives are often indistinguishable from those of their straight neighbors. They're loyal to their mates, are monogamous, devoted partners. They value and participate in family life, are committed to making their neighborhoods and communities safer and better places to live, and honor and abide by the law. Many make valuable contributions to their communities, serving on school boards, volunteering in community charities, and trying to be good citizens. In doing so, they take full advantage of their relationship to make not only their own lives better, but those of their neighbors as well.

A benefit to heterosexual society of gay marriage is the fact that the commitment of a marriage means the participants are discouraged from promiscous sex. This has the advantage of slowing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, which know no sexual orientation and are equal opportunity destroyers.

These benefits of gay marriage have changed the attitudes of the majority of people in Denmark and other countries where various forms of gay marriage have been legal for years. Polling results now show that most people there now recognize that the benefits far outweigh the trivial costs, and that far from threatening heterosexual marriage, gay marriage has actually strenghtened it.

So, having established the value of gay marriage, why are people so opposed to it?

Many of the reasons offered for opposing gay marriage are based on the assumption that gays have a choice in who they can feel attracted to, and the reality is quite different. Many people actually believe that gays could simply choose to be heterosexual if they wished. But the reality is that very few do have a choice -- any more than very few heterosexuals could choose which sex to find themselves attracted to.

Additionally, many people continue to believe the propaganda from right-wing religious organizations that homosexuality is about nothing but sex, considering it to be merely a sexual perversion. The reality is that homosexuality is multidimensional, and is much more about love and affection than it is about sex. And this is what gay relationships are based on -- mutual attraction, love and affection. Sex, in a committed gay relationship, is merely a means of expressing that love, just the same as it is for heterosexuals. Being gay is much more profound than simply a sexual relationship; being gay is part of that person's core indentity, and goes right the very center of his being. It's like being black in a society of whites, or a blonde European in a nation of black-haired Asians. Yes, being gay is just that profound to the person who is. This is something that few heterosexuals can understand unless they are part of a minority themselves.

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Re: No Laughing Matter
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ROFLOL....the sick part about it is that there is a fair amount of truth to it...

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Re: The Gay Marriage Amendment No Laughing Matter
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2006, 08:35:59 am »
On Monday, June 5th, a day before the Senate is expected to vote on the Constitutional amendment, George Bush is expected to have a press conference to renew his support for FMA. Call, write, or email to let the White House know that discrimination has no place in the US Constitution.

You can reach the White House comment line at (202) 456-1111."

This country has real problems to address. Who marries who is absolutely no business of George Bush's.

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Re: The Gay Marriage Amendment No Laughing Matter
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2006, 03:49:24 pm »
Thanks for this information.  DONE~!

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Re: The Gay Marriage Amendment No Laughing Matter
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2006, 04:09:23 pm »
Thanks for this information.  DONE~!

You can also sign a petition on-line and email a letter to your senators by using this link through the Human Rights Committee (an excellent resource for gay and transgendered, and people who care about them):

http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/mpa4061
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Re: The Gay Marriage Amendment No Laughing Matter
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2006, 04:55:05 pm »
Bush urges gay marriage ban enshrined in Constitution
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/03/bush.radio.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush on Saturday backed a resolution to amend the Constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman even though the idea has little chance of being passed in the Senate.

"Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and a wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society," Bush said in his Saturday radio address. "Marriage cannot be cut off from its cultural, religious and natural roots without weakening this good influence on society."

Democrats say Senate floor time is being wasted on the issue, and accuse Republicans of making a pre-midterm election appeal to social conservatives whose votes were key to Bush's re-election.

This November, initiatives banning same-sex marriages are expected to be on the ballot in Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Reverend: 'Election year politics'
"Sadly, President Bush is playing election-year politics with this divisive issue," the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said Friday. "He is shamelessly using this ploy to energize his right-wing base. We should never rewrite the Constitution to enshrine intolerance."

The White House said Bush did not devote his radio address to the issue or decide to host a presidential event Monday to again endorse the amendment because it is politically expedient, but because there's a vote on it scheduled next week in the Senate.

"On Monday, I will meet with a coalition of community leaders, constitutional scholars, family and civic organizations and religious leaders," Bush said in urging Congress to pass the amendment and send it to the states for ratification. "They're Republicans, Democrats and independents who've come together to support this amendment."

The amendment would prohibit states from recognizing same-sex marriages. To become law, the proposal would need two-thirds support in the Senate and House, and then would have to be ratified by at least 38 state legislatures.

Bush said the amendment would fully protect marriage from being redefined, while leaving state legislatures free to make their own choices in defining legal arrangements other than marriage.

Passage unlikely
It stands little chance of passing the 100-member Senate, where proponents are struggling to get even 50 votes. Several Republicans oppose the measure, and so far only one Democrat -- Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska -- has said he will vote for it.

Acknowledging that emotions often run hot in this debate, Bush urged calm.

"As this debate goes forward, we must remember that every American deserves to be treated with tolerance, respect and dignity," he said. "All of us have a duty to conduct this discussion with civility and decency toward one another, and all people deserve to have their voices heard."

David Buckel, Marriage Project director of Lambda Legal, a national organization working to protect the rights of lesbians, gay men and others, said the amendment would be damaging to the lives of same-sex couples and families, which raise millions of children.

"It would brand lesbian and gay men as legally inferior individuals," he said. "It would write into the supreme law of the land that this group of people are inferior and when it's the law, it's a message to everyone else in society that they have license to discriminate."

In his radio address, Bush struck back at judges who have overturned state laws similar in intent to the proposed legislation.

"Unfortunately, activist judges and some local officials have made an aggressive attempt to redefine marriage in recent years," the president said.

Bush said there is broad consensus in America to protect the institution of marriage.

Voters in 19 states have approved amendments to their state constitutions that protect the traditional definition of marriage, he said. Moreover, he said, 45 of the 50 states have either a state constitutional amendment or statute defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman.

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Maybe this is his way of getting his approval rate up, which is currently around 29% based on a Wall Street Journal poll.  It is closing in on the unpopularity level of Nixon (24%) at the moment of his resignation in 1974 over the Watergate scandal. 

I find comfort in the analysis that "It stands little chance of passing the 100-member Senate, where proponents are struggling to get even 50 votes."  Let's hope it will hold up.  But who knows, this is election year.  Republican is using this issue to force liberal senators to take a stand on it before mid-term, particular the ones that are from more conservative states.  Regardless the results, you bet their voting record on this issue will come up later.




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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2006, 09:44:13 pm »
I'd like to have on my car:

"Protect marriage, ban heterosexual divorce"
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Re: The Gay Marriage Amendment No Laughing Matter
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2006, 12:46:04 am »
This ban looks like it will fail, as I predicted on the IMDB forums previously. It does not have even close to enough support needed, and there is even opposition in the republican party towards it.