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Jake
« on: January 24, 2008, 03:28:58 pm »
Has anyone heard any comments or reactions from Jake (Jack)? i am stuck in the office 10 hrs a day and haven't heard much in the media that is new and if there has been a reaction  from Jake, I haven't heard about it. I knew that you guys would know if one had been released...
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Re: Jake
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 03:50:59 pm »
Has anyone heard any comments or reactions from Jake (Jack)? i am stuck in the office 10 hrs a day and haven't heard much in the media that is new and if there has been a reaction  from Jake, I haven't heard about it. I knew that you guys would know if one had been released...
want to say thanks for sharing all the lovely poems and thoughts. I has reminded me that Brokies are the strongest family around...
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Been wondering the same thing...  :-\

I was also wondering that if Jake is still Matilda's godfather, what that means for him. I was thinking not much because it usually comes into play when both parents die, right? What are the other reasons for having a godmother and father?

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Re: Jake
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 03:56:45 pm »
its so hard for us to talk about it, can you imagine the depth of feelings going on for Jake? their relationship had to be so multifaceted. they shared things no one else could understand in thier roles in BBM. it must havemade their friendship much deeper, somehow.
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Death is nothing at all

I have only slipped away into the next room
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Whatever we were to each other that we still are

Call me by my old familiar name
speak to me in the easy way you always used to

Put no difference in your tone
wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow
Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes we enjoyed together

Let my name be ever the household word it always was
let it be spoken without effort
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Life means all that it ever meant

Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight
I am waiting for you
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Re: Jake
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 03:58:10 pm »
the only mention of Jake I saw was on TMZ.com that said security had been increased on the set of "Brothers" where he is shooting to keep the media away from him because he does not want to make a statement.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 04:11:41 pm »
I was also wondering that if Jake is still Matilda's godfather, what that means for him. I was thinking not much because it usually comes into play when both parents die, right? What are the other reasons for having a godmother and father?

As far as I know, in the U.S. these days, being a godparent isn't much more than an honorary thing. It's not something that comes to an end, so Jake is still Matilda's godfather, but in practical terms I expect it really doesn't mean much, unless he chooses to involve himself in her life and Michelle and the rest of the family allow him to be a part of her life. A godparent has no legal standing.

But the question reminds me that I have been wondering whether Heath had made a will.  ???
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Re: Jake
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 04:22:36 pm »
its so hard for us to talk about it, can you imagine the depth of feelings going on for Jake? their relationship had to be so multifaceted. they shared things no one else could understand in thier roles in BBM. it must havemade their friendship much deeper, somehow.
i found this post from awhile back that i posted...thought it might help now
Death is nothing at all

I have only slipped away into the next room
I am I
you are you
Whatever we were to each other that we still are

Call me by my old familiar name
speak to me in the easy way you always used to

Put no difference in your tone
wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow
Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes we enjoyed together

Let my name be ever the household word it always was
let it be spoken without effort
without the trace of a shadow on it
Life means all that it ever meant

Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight
I am waiting for you
for an interval
somewhere very near
just round the corner
All is well




That's beautiful.... :'(

Yes, I bet it must be hard on Jake. I do agree that their bond was probably a very special one just because of what they shared on BBM and knowing the way Heath acts, pouring everything in the role. I can understand he doesn't want to make a statement right now, but I hope he will talk about it soon. People are waiting for him to say something I think. But he doesn't owe us a statement, so he can do whatever he wants, right?

As far as I know, in the U.S. these days, being a godparent isn't much more than an honorary thing. It's not something that comes to an end, so Jake is still Matilda's godfather, but in practical terms I expect it really doesn't mean much, unless he chooses to involve himself in her life and Michelle and the rest of the family allow him to be a part of her life. A godparent has no legal standing.

But the question reminds me that I have been wondering whether Heath had made a will.  ???

Thanks for that, it's the same here in Holland I think, unless you are religious and have sealed it in church I think...


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Re: Jake
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 04:30:35 pm »
Well it's sort of like being asked to do the Eulogy for someone you loved who has died.  My father wanted me to talk about my Mom at her funeral and I just couldn't do it, I was too emotional, instead I threw myself in a fury of house cleaning and cooking for all the out of town family that was coming.  My grief was too intense and my thoughts too personal.  Same thing happened again when a dear friend committed suicide from postpartum depression.  He husband asked me and I just could not do it.

Perhaps Jake needs space to process his grief at the loss of his friend before he can make a composed statement, one that won't be misinterpreted or made to seem some how  scandalous, sensational and salacious by the the tabloids.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 04:34:57 pm »
A godparent has no legal standing.

If both parents die, their will usually designates who will raise the child.

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But the question reminds me that I have been wondering whether Heath had made a will.  ???

I would guess anyone with that much money, plus layers of managers, assistants, accountants, etc., undoubtedly does. Financial advisers always urge you to get one, if only to avoid the hassles of probate court. Without one, everything probably would go to Matilda, which perhaps is what he arranged anyway.



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Re: Jake
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 04:38:38 pm »
Been wondering the same thing...  :-\

I was also wondering that if Jake is still Matilda's godfather, what that means for him. I was thinking not much because it usually comes into play when both parents die, right? What are the other reasons for having a godmother and father?

I believe it has a religious connotation - the concept of a godparent is literally a 'spiritual parent' if you will; someone the biological parents of a child believe would provide additional spiritual guidance for the child as they are growing up. But, right it has no legal standing unless the godparents are designated in the parents' will (should both die), that the godparents should have custody of their child/children.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 04:53:59 pm »
I'm kind of finding these various media stories focusing on Jake being Matilda's godfather and hence "rushing to aid Michelle with Matilda" rather annoying. They seem to be based on hearsay, old interviews and pure speculation. Also , they (as well as this media pressure for Jake to make a statement - my God, what could he say? We know what he must be feeling! Do they need to hear him, or see him, put his grief on display?  :-\ ) seem to put unnecessary and unfair pressure on Jake concerning how he's expected to behave "in public". And they seem to indicate that  Michelle Williams, who looks to me to be a very capable woman, is not able to raise her own child with the help and support, as and when required, of her own family and near friends - and of a new life partner when/if that time comes for her.

I don't know how much contact Jake kept with Heath and Michelle after the Brokeback intensity died down once the Academy Awards were history - I'm sure they kept in touch but they did live on opposite sides of the country and had busy schedules in their respective lives. However that was, I wouldn't expect Jake to be the obvious person to have an everyday hand in Matilda's life and upbringing. Godfather or no.

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I posted over in the Heath Heath Heath thread about what Heath's death means for Jake in terms of Jake having to "represent" both Jack and Ennis going forward, so I won't repeat that here.


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Re: Jake
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 09:56:32 pm »
What's irritating about that is I don't see the press seeming to have a need for statements from any of his other recent co-stars.  What about Christian Bale?  He *just* worked with him.  Or Sienna Miller?  Matt Damon?  Abby Cornish?

I thought it was nice that Ang Lee made a statement, and appropriate.

As for Mel Gibson - he has to be removed from the spotlight with his teethmarks in it, so I don't give his much credo.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 10:21:54 pm »
I'm kind of finding these various media stories focusing on Jake being Matilda's godfather and hence "rushing to aid Michelle with Matilda" rather annoying. They seem to be based on hearsay, old interviews and pure speculation. Also , they (as well as this media pressure for Jake to make a statement - my God, what could he say? We know what he must be feeling! Do they need to hear him, or see him, put his grief on display?  :-\ ) seem to put unnecessary and unfair pressure on Jake concerning how he's expected to behave "in public". And they seem to indicate that  Michelle Williams, who looks to me to be a very capable woman, is not able to raise her own child with the help and support, as and when required, of her own family and near friends - and of a new life partner when/if that time comes for her.

I don't know how much contact Jake kept with Heath and Michelle after the Brokeback intensity died down once the Academy Awards were history - I'm sure they kept in touch but they did live on opposite sides of the country and had busy schedules in their respective lives. However that was, I wouldn't expect Jake to be the obvious person to have an everyday hand in Matilda's life and upbringing. Godfather or no.

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I posted over in the Heath Heath Heath thread about what Heath's death means for Jake in terms of Jake having to "represent" both Jack and Ennis going forward, so I won't repeat that here.



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Re: Jake
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 10:28:34 pm »

I certainly don't want to see Jake's grief put on display.  And, I don't think he should feel rushed to make any kind of statement... and he should be allowed to deal with this tragedy in his own way and at his own pace.

That said... I feel like I'm waiting for him to come forward.  I almost can't help it.

It may be somewhat illogical, but I really am.  Somehow I feel like it will be a comfort to hear from Jake and I think it's important.  Maybe it will happen in a week, a month or a year.  But, I hope he does do or say something.  It may be a selfish hope, but I'll be honest and say that I *know* deep down that I would truly love to hear from Jake.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 10:32:11 pm »
Do you think he might be able to go to the funeral? I hope he gets to go and be there with Heath's family.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 11:01:04 pm »
Here's something I came across when I googled.  It's hardly what I'd call reliable, but it may be true:

http://babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/01/24/jake-gyllenhaal-devastated-over-heath-ledger-s-death.aspx

Jake Gyllenhaal, who was close to Heath Ledger, is reportedly too distraught to even speak about the death of his friend.  Gyllenhaal co-starred with Ledger in Brokeback Mountain and is godfather to his 2-year-old daughter Matilda Rose.

Gyllenhaal is in New Mexico shooting the film Brothers and has declined any requests to make a statement to the media. Although production has not been shut down on the film, the set has been closed to non-crew members and extra security has been hired to ensure Gyllenhaal's privacy.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2008, 11:29:21 pm »
This from USA Today's Entertainment Blog seems to confirm that report Meryl  : http://blogs.usatoday.com/entertainment/


"His co-star Jake Gyllenhaal, who is in New Mexico filming new movie Brothers, is very upset and doesn't want to talk to the media, so the set has been closed to non-crew members and extra security has been hired."
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Re: Jake
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2008, 11:33:45 pm »
Has anyone heard any comments or reactions from Jake (Jack)? i am stuck in the office 10 hrs a day and haven't heard much in the media that is new and if there has been a reaction  from Jake, I haven't heard about it. I knew that you guys would know if one had been released...
want to say thanks for sharing all the lovely poems and thoughts. I has reminded me that Brokies are the strongest family around...
been missiin you all
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Maggiesmommy, do you remember me?  I think of you often, and am so glad to see you here.  I just wish it was under happier circumstances.  I heard that Jake is filming a movie, is distraught, and the film's crew is shielding him from the media!

Alway a pleasure to see you, Love!  You look amazing!

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Re: Jake
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2008, 02:51:37 am »
You know what I think it is, for us? It's that we realize it would be hard for Jake to have to come forth and make a statement. But at the same time, we're not ready to move on. We want to know more. We need some little word, and we're looking for Jake to provide it.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2008, 02:55:19 am »
You know what I think it is, for us? It's that we realize it would be hard for Jake to have to come forth and make a statement. But at the same time, we're not ready to move on. We want to know more. We need some little word, and we're looking for Jake to provide it.

Yeah, I think Heath and Jake are connected in such a profound way now...  I just can't help but feel the real urge to hear from Jake.  It's almost like I'm sort of waiting for that as some kind of move towards closure.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2008, 07:03:37 am »
Yeah, I think Heath and Jake are connected in such a profound way now...  I just can't help but feel the real urge to hear from Jake.  It's almost like I'm sort of waiting for that as some kind of move towards closure.



That's really well put. I feel like I completely understand if he can't make a statement now, but I would be really surprised if he didn't make any statement in the near future, not just because these two were friends, but because he's Matilda's godfather. But then we would also expect a statement from the godmother?

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Re: Jake
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2008, 07:14:54 am »
No offense but I just don't see why Jake has to make a public statement about Heath passing away. I don't think he does. Even though both Heath and him are public personalities it is still a private matter. The nature of their friendship was private. Not even Michelle has to make such a statement. Heath's family already made one and that should be enough. IMO that is.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2008, 07:16:18 am »
Yeah, I think Heath and Jake are connected in such a profound way now...  I just can't help but feel the real urge to hear from Jake.  It's almost like I'm sort of waiting for that as some kind of move towards closure.

Yes, I think all of us feel a bit like that, even if we don't think it's fair to Jake.
I suspect Jake knows that too - he and Heath together form one of the cultural iconic landmark images of our time....

Perhaps the knowledge that people may subconsciously be looking to him for some kind of closure, some profound statement to - somehow - make some sense of this, or convey some confort, or pay a tribute that becomes the one tribute that remains for the ages -   may make it even more difficult for him to handle his own grief. I'm sure he's just as distraught, just as disbelieving, just as shaken as are we all.  

Maggie Gyllenhaal must also be very deeply affected... she knew Heath well from before and then they just finished filming TDK together....

I'm sure both will say some words in due course, they will inevitably be asked to do so the first time they appear in public. So I hope they take all the time they need to grieve in private first.


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Re: Jake
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2008, 08:49:36 am »
No offense but I just don't see why Jake has to make a public statement about Heath passing away. I don't think he does. Even though both Heath and him are public personalities it is still a private matter. The nature of their friendship was private. Not even Michelle has to make such a statement. Heath's family already made one and that should be enough. IMO that is.

I agree with you. I don,t see why he should make any kind of statement. What could he possibly say? I think his wishes should be respected and he should be left alone to grieve for his friend. He must be in pieces. I should think the last thing he wants to do is face the press. Poor Jake. ((((((((((((Jake))))))))))). :'( :'(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2008, 09:26:05 am »
No offense but I just don't see why Jake has to make a public statement about Heath passing away. I don't think he does. Even though both Heath and him are public personalities it is still a private matter. The nature of their friendship was private. Not even Michelle has to make such a statement. Heath's family already made one and that should be enough. IMO that is.

Nobody said he HAS to make a statement, we only said it would somehow be comforting to have him make a statement. I think we made quite clear that we don't expect him to make a statement, but that somehow, weirdly, we hope he will. It's not something rational, it's a feeling.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2008, 12:43:52 pm »
No offense but I just don't see why Jake has to make a public statement about Heath passing away. I don't think he does. Even though both Heath and him are public personalities it is still a private matter. The nature of their friendship was private. Not even Michelle has to make such a statement. Heath's family already made one and that should be enough. IMO that is.

He doesn't have to. But Jake is pretty high profile, a regular on talk shows, etc., so inevitably he's going to get asked about Heath. As Amanda says, the two are just so indelibly connected now. If he doesn't say anything at all, just goes on talk shows and jokes around, people may think something's amiss. So he might as well make a statement that he can compose carefully, on his own time.

However, I'm not pinning my hopes too high that it will make me feel a lot better. What can he say? Just stuff we already know, I think -- how much he respected Heath, what a nice guy and fine actor he was, etc.

Now Michelle I don't think should even be expected to say anything at all publicly.



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Re: Jake
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2008, 12:53:10 pm »
Nobody said he HAS to make a statement, we only said it would somehow be comforting to have him make a statement. I think we made quite clear that we don't expect him to make a statement, but that somehow, weirdly, we hope he will. It's not something rational, it's a feeling.

Thanks Mel.  Yes, this is exactly what I mean.

It would be comforting to me to hear from Jake.  That's all I'm saying.  I don't know why... but I just feel that way.  I don't think he should be pressured or should have to make any statement while the grief is so fresh, shocking and raw.  But, eventually, I think it would be nice.

And, I also agree with what Katherine said... that it might actually be sort of awkward for him to continue with normal press routines without saying something.

I also agree, that I'm sure he inevitably will be asked in interviews about this whenever he does press for his upcoming movies.


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Re: Jake
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2008, 10:53:29 pm »
No, no one is saying Jake must make a statement, but like the Royal family after Princess Diana's death, sometimes society's expectations of the behavior of public figures takes precedence.  Jake will make a statement, sooner or later, it's inescapable for him being who he is and his connection to the Ledgers. 

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Re: Jake
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2008, 02:10:24 am »

He (Jake) and Heath together form one of the cultural iconic landmark images of our time....


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Re: Jake
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2008, 10:22:48 am »
I agree with you, Natali.

And you know what infuriates me (among other things) thinking about all this now?  That poor Jake probably would have liked to have gone to the funeral home and/or to Perth to pay his respects, but his fame and the media make that all but impossible for him.  Think about it - if he showed up at either place, it would become a media circus, and his appearance there would become the punchline of several assholes' jokes, just as apparently Heath's death has.  All because they're shameless homophobes and because the two of them happened to star together in a movie that not only depicted homosexuals *realisitically*, but that gained critical acclaim and was widely viewed because of that.

Again, it infuriates me.

And not only does Jake not have to make a statement, he must know he shouldn't, because this same bullshit will happen all over again.  It's not self-preservation - I'm sure he's thinking of the family.  But it really, really sucks.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2008, 10:28:58 am »
Hey Barb,

     Jake can always go pay his respects to the family and gravesite after the hoopla dies down.

Dontcha just want to run over to Jake and hold him and say :"C'mere, S'alright"......   :'(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2008, 10:47:00 am »
No, no one is saying Jake must make a statement, but like the Royal family after Princess Diana's death, sometimes society's expectations of the behavior of public figures takes precedence.  Jake will make a statement, sooner or later, it's inescapable for him being who he is and his connection to the Ledgers. 

The only reason that our Royal family eventually made a statement about Princess Diana was because they HAD too. There such a public outcry over the lack of response from the Queen, she really didn,t have any choice.
Jake will say something about Heath eventually. Bless him, he must be heartbroken. I know most of the focus is naturally on Heaths family at the moment, but I still keep thinking about poor Jake, bless him.  :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2008, 12:15:46 pm »
I agree with you, Natali.

And you know what infuriates me (among other things) thinking about all this now?  That poor Jake probably would have liked to have gone to the funeral home and/or to Perth to pay his respects, but his fame and the media make that all but impossible for him.  Think about it - if he showed up at either place, it would become a media circus, and his appearance there would become the punchline of several assholes' jokes, just as apparently Heath's death has.  All because they're shameless homophobes and because the two of them happened to star together in a movie that not only depicted homosexuals *realisitically*, but that gained critical acclaim and was widely viewed because of that.

Again, it infuriates me.

And not only does Jake not have to make a statement, he must know he shouldn't, because this same bullshit will happen all over again.  It's not self-preservation - I'm sure he's thinking of the family.  But it really, really sucks.

You're probably exactly right, barb, but as nutmeg says, he can always go later, on a private pilgrimage so as not to add to the family's woes.  On the other hand, the family might not care, in a great 'bugger off' to the media, invite him anyway.  I don't know what Australian laws are on family privacy at funerals and such.  Thanks to bottom-feeders like Phelps and family, we recently had to pass laws to keep what most decent people thought was sacred - a funeral - free from picketers and morbid hecklers.  Plus, I don't know of course, but they might cremate him for all we know and scatter the ashes somewhere which would greatly help keep the privacy of the family.

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The only reason that our Royal family eventually made a statement about Princess Diana was because they HAD too. There such a public outcry over the lack of response from the Queen, she really didn,t have any choice.

Exactly.  Poor Jake.  He's in the same boat.  He would probably like to keep his thoughts and grief to himself and his close family/friends, hence his current media silence, but he cannot escape the media in his profession and will be forced to present his grief in a soundbite - accompanied by the close-up of the interviewer nodding sympathetically - eventually  :P  >:(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2008, 01:07:15 pm »
Dontcha just want to run over to Jake and hold him and say :"C'mere, S'alright"......   :'(

I know I do. My first inexplicable reaction was an urge to cover him in warm blankets and feed him fresh home-baked cookies, and just hold him until he's ok. Poor guy.

I hope the press leaves him alone. He has no obligation to say anything at all to them, if he doesn't want to.

I just want him to be ok. :'(

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2008, 01:17:56 pm »
It just struck me...

It's fortunate for Jake's sake that he hasn't been nominated for awards this season, and doesn't have to do the interview circuit. At least he will have time to grieve, and to decide what he wants to say when the time comes. (Eventually he will have to do interviews, and someone will ask about Brokeback and Heath. But I'm glad he isn't being forced to do it now, when the grief is so raw.)
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Re: Jake
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2008, 01:51:07 pm »
He cannot escape the media in his profession and will be forced to present his grief in a soundbite - accompanied by the close-up of the interviewer nodding sympathetically - eventually  :P  >:(

Ugh. I squirm at this image - but of course you're right.

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At least he will have time to grieve, and to decide what he wants to say when the time comes. (Eventually he will have to do interviews, and someone will ask about Brokeback and Heath. But I'm glad he isn't being forced to do it now, when the grief is so raw.)


I'm wondering though, in regards both quotes above -  for eventual talkshow appearances and more organized types of interviews, if Jake continues to lie low for a while - can't he make it a condition (if he so chooses) that they not ask about Heath? I'm pretty sure other stars of his caliber have made similar "topic non grata" demands in order to appear. (Hugh Grant comes to mind, for entirely different reasons). I know David Letterman tormented the inane Paris Hilton for nearly a whole show appearance about her prison stay - I really can't see him doing the same to a respected actor who's made it clear in advance he wants to be allowed to grieve in private. But perhaps I'm just being naive and gullible in thinking there is some miniscule bit of decency left in the entertainment industry.

Still, as time goes by and new news stories become the order of the day, there will be less pressure on Jake to make any sort of public tribute... won't there?

But of course, there will be the off-the-cuff (or off-the-curb  ::) ) interviews and questions, and press conferences where all sorts of things will be asked out of the blue... So Jake won't avoid saying something, sooner and later. But for such instances it can at least be brief and there won't be time to dwell on the matter.... for him, or the reporter.

I'm glad for his sake that he's keeping his own counsel now and keeping out of sight. The media frenzy if he appeared now would be rather horrid, I'm sure.


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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2008, 02:22:15 pm »
I'm glad Jake doesn't have to deal with the media. He doesn't have to share his pain with the world.
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2008, 02:39:55 pm »
I'm wondering though, in regards both quotes above -  for eventual talkshow appearances and more organized types of interviews, if Jake continues to lie low for a while - can't he make it a condition (if he so chooses) that they not ask about Heath?

I don't know. I know my favorite interviewers respect sensitive topics. But, on the other hand, Jake is very much a professional who knows how the industry works. And BBM was Jake's breakthrough role, just as it was Heath's. So it would probably be unwise for Jake to make it off-limits. (Personal feelings about Heath's... I won't say it... are another matter, but from now on, BBM will be linked to tragedy in real life as well. It's a movie about tragedy and loss, at least in part, and now even more so.)

Dammit. Heath should be spending another fifty years, at least, talking to interviewers about his newest brilliant role.  :'(
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Re: Jake
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2008, 02:52:17 pm »
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Perhaps the knowledge that people may subconsciously be looking to him for some kind of closure, some profound statement to - somehow - make some sense of this, or convey some confort, or pay a tribute that becomes the one tribute that remains for the ages -   may make it even more difficult for him to handle his own grief.


Agreed.  How would any of us deal if the world press were waiting on us for a "How-do-you-feel" statement on Heath's passing?  Requiring a perfect distillation of all our emotions into a "workable soundbyte" form, as well as being some kind of perfect emotional balm for millions of grieving strangers?

We may assume that Jake, being an actor, would be better at this than we.  But it's just so unfair to him.


(I do agree that loving tributes from people – when they're ready – are lovely and healing.  Daniel Day-Lewis' statement was apparently that for a lot of people.)

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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2008, 02:52:39 pm »
Somehow I think Jake might go to Perth. Heath was his friend and he's Matilda's godfather. Of course he is going, and the press need not to find out. He can rent a private plane to fly to Australia from wherever he is. He's got the money for that. Given the fact that funeral arrangements are a secret we may not hear about it but I'm pretty sure he will be there. Jake, his family and a bunch of other people.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2008, 02:54:41 pm »
I'm pretty sure other stars of his caliber have made similar "topic non grata" demands in order to appear. (Hugh Grant comes to mind, for entirely different reasons).

What comes to mind about Hugh Grant for me was when he appeared on Leno's show just after he was arrested for hiring a prostitute. He's introduced, comes onto the set, applause applause, sits down in the chair, and Leno turns to him and goes, "What were you thinking?!!" So apparently Hugh hadn't stipulated that particular subject off limits in that case.

I'm going entirely from memory, so I may have some of the details wrong.

Anyway, as you say Mika, Jake's situation is entirely different. I think celebrities often do ask that certain subjects be off limits -- their love lives or pending divorces, for example -- but those are usually topics demanding a different sort of privacy. The specifics of Jake's friendship with Heath are private, of course, but I don't think it's too intrusive to expect that he might want to say something about his friend's passing.

The media absolutely shouldn't harass him in his private life for a comment, or on his way into the funeral, or anything like that. But if he's on a talk show or a press junket I don't think it's out of line for the interviewer to bring the subject up, and I think it would be kind of odd if Jake would refuse to answer. All he'd have to say, at minimum, is something about how sad he is, how much he respected Heath, etc. And Jake seems so comfortable and relaxed in the limelight that I don't think he'd have any trouble with that.

My favorite interviewers respect sensitive topics, too. But good interviewers have to make at least a stab (so to speak) at bringing them up. I once had to interview an author who had endured an extremely painful, shocking and highly publicized family tragedy/scandal a few years earlier. I knew I had to ask her about it, and had dreaded it. She refused to answer my questions, as I'd expected, and so I dropped it. But we both knew the drill, that I had to ask, and she didn't hold it against me, as far as I could tell.




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Re: Jake
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2008, 02:56:00 pm »

(I do agree that loving tributes from people – when they're ready – are lovely and healing.  Daniel Day-Lewis' statement was apparently that for a lot of people.)

It was. It was very moving and profound.

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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2008, 02:59:03 pm »
It was. It was very moving and profound.

'I didn't know him, but I feel I would have liked him if I did.'



Oh God, that was beautiful, he seems like such a sensitive guy. I love him for saying that...

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2008, 03:00:29 pm »
(((Mel)))


Hang in there, it will get better...at least, that's what I keep telling myself.
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2008, 05:25:23 pm »
(((Mel)))


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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2008, 08:50:17 pm »
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And not only does Jake not have to make a statement, he must know he shouldn't, because this same bullshit will happen all over again.  It's not self-preservation - I'm sure he's thinking of the family.  But it really, really sucks.

Barb -

Although I understand what you are saying, I personally would love to see Jake come forward & say how much he loved Heath as a friend & actor & someone he shared a special movie with.  I just happened to catch Daniel-Day Lewis being interviewed on Oprah (I know how you feel about her) & he asked to side step talk of his movie & say how upset he was - with tears in his eyes - that he had just heard of Heath's death & what a loss he felt it was & how he'd marveled at Heath's work & had hoped to work with him someday.  I WANT Jake to show he loved Heath - to HELL with the idiots!

And speaking of idiots...what the hell is wrong w/ Mary-Kate Olsen.  Not only her not demanding that 911 be called immediately - but that ridiculous, pathetic statement to the press...
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« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2008, 08:56:26 pm »
Silkncense, welcome back! It's nice to see another old friend.

I just happened to catch Daniel-Day Lewis being interviewed on Oprah (I know how you feel about her) & he asked to side step talk of his movie & say how upset he was - with tears in his eyes - that he had just heard of Heath's death & what a loss he felt it was & how he'd marveled at Heath's work & had hoped to work with him someday.

That's really touching. It's interesting to imagine Heath and Daniel Day-Lewis working in the same movie -- Heath tended to be so understated, DDL so explosive and over-the-top, though both great actors.

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Not only her not demanding that 911 be called immediately - but that ridiculous, pathetic statement to the press...

I didn't see that. What did she say?


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« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2008, 09:04:34 pm »
What crayons said.

I saw that Leno show with Hugh Grant.  No, the subject was not off limits, but based on my recollection, Hugh Grant never answered, just hung his head with a sheepish smile and Leno didn't press or harrass him on the subject after that.  Though his intro was amusing,

"My next guest Hugh Grant on the last leg of his apology tour..."

It would appear unusual if Jake refused to comment on Heath at all, even if justified, it would be best - and the media would speculate less, no good deed goes unpunished  :P - if he just made a comment on his grief and we all moved on.

I was one of those very comforted by Daniel Day-Lewis' comment on Heath.  He cared not a whit about his Academy Award nomination and was uncomfortable even trying to discuss it in the light of something he considered more important and tragic - Heath's untimely passing.

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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2008, 09:12:38 pm »
I didn't see that. What did she say?

In her first comment since the Australian-born actor's death, Olsen issued a statement that read: "Heath was a friend. His death is a tragic loss. My thoughts are with his family during this very difficult time."

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« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2008, 09:29:11 pm »
Yes, but the difference here is that Daniel Day-Lewis' comments will most likely not be shown or replayed on Fox News/some idiots' radio shows and made a mockery of.

Another difference is that he did not know Heath personally, and is not so close with him that he is his child's godfather.  Jake must be a wreck.  Maybe he just doesn't feel like sharing that with the world right now.  If DDL would weep on Oprah's show, what would poor Jake do?

That said, what DDL said and did was lovely, and I think it's especially great that he did it, on all places, on Oprah, because she's yet another idiot who had/has no idea what kind of a genius she had sitting on her stage two years ago, and she never will.
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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2008, 09:30:15 pm »
Indeed that was her statement.  So heartfelt.  

And I don't, as others have, excuse her going out dancing & partying.  Not that Heath was the love of her life, but to even demonstrate an ounce of caring would to me negate partying immediately following the death of a friend.  It simply makes me feel as tho the life lost was treated as insignificant & shouldn't stand in the way of her putting herself first.
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« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2008, 09:31:38 pm »
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Yes, but the difference here is that Daniel Day-Lewis' comments will most likely not be shown or replayed on Fox News/some idiots' radio shows and made a mockery of.

I hope Jake will have the strength & conviction not to care.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2008, 10:00:22 pm »
he and Heath together form one of the cultural iconic landmark images of our time....



Just bouncing off of this... and Eric's response on this too.

Man, some of these images take on incredible intensity.  Maybe now more than ever.  Lately I feel like I'm seeing some of these things with new eyes.  There's an intimacy about all of these that I feel like I'm sensing in a new way now.

At the moment, these images take on a special power in trying to imagine, even a tiny, little bit, of what Jake's memories of Heath must be like.   To me, it's just so profound to think of them sharing the experience of creating these images together.  And now, with the loss of Heath so soon, some of these images will be how Heath really is permanently recalled in the public imagination.
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« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2008, 10:23:24 pm »
Well, they created those images together — along with the gaffers, lighting guys, assistant directors, and animal wranglers who were within feet of them at shooting time.

Not to negate what you're saying though Amanda.  I agree that Heath and Jake, through all the intense discussions and preparations they did together, have a unique bond.  And it must be bizarre, being half of the Janus-like images from Brokeback, and losing the "other half".

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« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2008, 10:36:10 pm »
You're right LauraGigs, you hit the nail precisely on the head...it's the stark realization that 'the other half' is missing which intensifies the grief...especially because it's so final and permanent - it feels like the yin-yang is out of balance just as in BBM, when Jack or Ennis were without the other.


Those images are lovely Amanda, thank you for posting them. Though certainly they have been viewed many times before, they do take on a new meaning and are very poignant - I could never tire of them. I can only speculate that it would be extremey difficult for Jake to even think about those moments of filming BBM together...how incredibly painful.
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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2008, 11:00:00 pm »
I think we all took solace in the fact that although Jack died, Ennis still lived.  Heath was Ennis, so when Heath died, it feels a little like BBM did too.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2008, 02:03:51 am »
For what it's worth, someone over at brokebackslash posted the link for this article about Jake. It's from The Daily Telegraph.

Godfather Jake Gyllenhaal's silent agony
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23105747-5001021,00.html?from=public_rss

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January 25, 2008 12:00am

JAKE Gyllenhaal, Heath Ledger's best friend and Matilda's godfather, has been left to grieve on his own and has not been seen since the actor's death.

According to TMZ, people on the set of his new film, Brothers, are helping the star keep it that way as he is too distressed to talk to media.

Gyllenhaal is currently filming in New Mexico and has been holed up in the studio. There are no plans to stop the film's production to give Jake time to fly to New York to be with Michelle Williams.

The set has been closed to non-crew members and extra security has been hired to keep photographers at bay and to ensure the actor's privacy, according to TMZ.

Now that two-year-old Matilda is left to grow up without her doting father, the responsibility to keep Heath Ledger's memory alive falls partly on her famous godfather, Jake Gyllenhaal.

Jake, Heath and Matilda's mom Michelle Williams, bonded on the set of their Academy Award-winning hit Brokeback Mountain, for which they all received Oscar nominations.

"Heath and I are best friends now making the film was very intense for us," said Jake, 27, who played Heath's sheep-herding love interest in the Blockbuster hit. He described being Matilda's godfather as "an amazing honor," he told Page Six.

"I remember being in rehearsal, and the two of them had googly eyes with each other," he has said of the romance between Matilda's parents.

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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2008, 05:23:25 am »
I haven't read the whole thread but I know there are some discussion about whether Jake should make a statement or not.  At first I thought Jake would make a statement after one or two days, but as time goes and Jake still hadn't done so, I am beginning to believe they do have a real friendship which goes deep, unaware to us outsiders.  Otherwise, out of courtesy, he must have already done it.  I'm not sure if this theory is correct or not, but at this time, I tend to believe it.  So, I hope the media will leave Jake alone and let him take his time until he feels comfortable to talk about Heath. 

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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2008, 05:40:08 am »
I haven't read the whole thread but I know there are some discussion about whether Jake should make a statement or not.  At first I thought Jake would make a statement after one or two days, but as time goes and Jake still hadn't done so, I am beginning to believe they do have a real friendship which goes deep, unaware to us outsiders.  Otherwise, out of courtesy, he must have already done it.  I'm not sure if this theory is correct or not, but at this time, I tend to believe it.  So, I hope the media will leave Jake alone and let him take his time until he feels comfortable to talk about Heath. 

I,m in total agreement with you yb. Heath was his best friend, and they shared a bond that none of us will ever understand. Poor Jake must be devasated. I hope the media will respect his need for privacy and leave him alone to grieve for his friend.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2008, 06:02:25 am »
That said, what DDL said and did was lovely, and I think it's especially great that he did it, on all places, on Oprah, because she's yet another idiot who had/has no idea what kind of a genius she had sitting on her stage two years ago, and she never will.

What you said. Both about DDL, and certainly about Oprah. So far, there's no doubt in my mind that the most moving tribute I've seen, has been DDL's - someone who didn't know Heath but yet was so moved at his passing. One can only imagine what those who actually knew him are going through. Like Jake.

Thank you Amanda, for posting the images. Both the Film's poster and the dozy are certainly among those iconic cultural images.... As has been said, it's as if the yin and yang has been torn in two - the "other half lost" - you all say this so well.

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I can only speculate that it would be extremey difficult for Jake to even think about those moments of filming BBM together...how incredibly painful.

And yet it's fairly certain that in every major portrait interview of Jake, and in relation to articles/festivals etc. to commemorate Heath, or Brokeback, or contemporary Westerns, and so forth - Jake will be made to think of those moments and recall them in public over the years of his own career. No way around that.

It's all so bisarre - such a mirror yet contrast to the film: Jack dies, in real life it's Heath. In the film Ennis grieves in secret, can never voice his grief or tell anyone, - while in RL Jake will in all likelihood have no choice but to talk about it in public.... over and over.

I only hope as time passes and grief is less immediate, that the memories of filming BBM and what they experienced then give Jake comfort and that he will appreciate being able to hold Heath's memory alive through remembering those times in interviews etc.

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I wonder if any of the Gyllenhaals were going to be approached to be Oscar presenters for one of the categories. If there is an Oscar show.

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Concerning Hugh Grant, - that hoopla was before YouTube and the multiple channels of today so we Norwegians didn't get to see the US talk shows. My understanding from the ones I saw later, and especially from articles I've read - has been that Hugh deliberately went the gamut of appearing at some shows fairly quickly in order to do damage control & look contrite etc.  - ie. the whole purpose was that they'd ask him about it. But later on, the subject was off limits at his appearances and it consequently wasn't mentioned though the audiences certainly were thinking about that when they saw him - he refused to appear and have it dragged up all anew, and that was respected. Just my understanding from afar. May well be wrong...

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« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2008, 08:43:29 am »
I've been wondering - how close were Jake and Heath in recent months? Have we seen many photos of them together recently?

I'm not saying this in any way lessens how jake is feeling, but we all know that the time they spent together must have effected the strength of their relationship, and since they hadn't been workign together recently - were they still as close?
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Re: Jake
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2008, 08:49:20 am »
Instead of expecting Jake to come forward and say something why don't we send him a note? He probably needs to hear comforting words more than we do.

Here are address where according to his website, we can write to him.

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« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2008, 09:37:10 am »
I've been wondering - how close were Jake and Heath in recent months? Have we seen many photos of them together recently?

I'm not saying this in any way lessens how jake is feeling, but we all know that the time they spent together must have effected the strength of their relationship, and since they hadn't been workign together recently - were they still as close?

They weren't spotted together since I don't know how long. In fact, it's probably safe to say they were never spotted together outside of formal movie things they had to do. So it's really difficult to say if they were still friends or if they just did a really good job of meeting up somewhere that didn't have paparazzi. Thank God the paparazzi aren't everywhere, but that also means we never really know.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2008, 09:44:23 am »
I have a couple of very close female friends whom I haven't seen in years.  Yet a part of me would die if they were to meet an untimely death.  We email each other regularly and talk on the phone occasionally.  Lynne, you know one of those friends - Jacki.

Similarly, I would be devastated if any of the Brokies I met in San Francisco were to leave this Earth, and I only ever saw them for a period of three days.  I would be quite distraught if any of the rest of you I haven't even met were seriously hurt or worse.

One can share a profoundly deep bond with someone that never goes away, even if the person does.

My goodness - look at how devastated we all are here, and most of us have never even seen Heath in person, let alone spoken with him.

LJ and others, I think you have some unrealistic expectations of Jake, and of Michelle or anyone else you might think should have made a statement by now.  I'm sure both of them have spoken to each other by phone and to Heath's family.  Making a statement is something they'd do because they feel like they owe it to the public, not to Heath.  And they just plain don't.  Not to mention that they're both probably a mess right now.

Consider this - if one of the friends you loved most in the world died suddenly and tragically, would you be ready to face a slew of cameras and share with the world how you feel about it?  If you would, I guess you're a better person than Jake or Michelle is.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2008, 10:32:15 am »
There is a point that nobody has hit yet...

   Jake is young.   He probably hasn't had anyone close to him die yet.    Plus guys react to death differently than girls.   

   Those of us who are older have already had older relatives maybe even parents pass away.   Some of us even have lost friends.    But most young peole in their 20s have not.     

   This is most likely a new, albeit unpleasant experience for him.   Thus alot of the protection.


You're right David. In fact I was thinking the same thing. I think the fact that Heath was about Jake's age might have worsened the blow. Young people aren't used to death. The general idea is that it is something that happens to old people or to people much older than you.

When I was fifteen one of my schoolmates died in an accident. We were saddened by his loss but mostly we were shocked to realize that people our age could die. Even though I aware that death was a reality it was not easy for me to fathom that could happen to someone who was about my age. It was completely unexpected, and a lot of us didn't know how to deal with it. I had a lot of nightmares over that. Even people who didn't know him very well were very much affected by what happened.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2008, 10:37:28 am »
There is a point that nobody has hit yet...

   Jake is young.   He probably hasn't had anyone close to him die yet.    Plus guys react to death differently than girls.   

   Those of us who are older have already had older relatives maybe even parents pass away.   Some of us even have lost friends.    But most young peole in their 20s have not.     

   This is most likely a new, albeit unpleasant experience for him.   Thus alot of the protection.



I don't get your point. Before I was 20 I had lost many people, counting both my grandpas and grandmas. Before I was 20 I had been to more funerals than weddings. I think I'm not the only one. I don't think losing somebody period is something new for Jake. Losing somebody that young and somebody that close to him, yes, that must be new for him.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2008, 12:48:16 pm »
I'm not saying this in any way lessens how jake is feeling, but we all know that the time they spent together must have effected the strength of their relationship, and since they hadn't been workign together recently - were they still as close?

In addition to what has already been said, especially by Barb, concerning bonds remaining strong over distance and time... which I agree with whole-heartedly; I'm also thinking the long periods of away-time is the common denominator for everyone living a life like Jake's and Heath's. Travelling to far-away places, staying for weeks and months, intensely working and immersing themselves in new projects - then travelling around to shows and premieres and doing PR. It hardly makes for regularly scheduled meet-ups with friends, so I would guess they've taught themselves to keep in contact, or to keep the connection and friendship, despite that. And to meet whenever there's a possibility.


I must admit that I've been wondering and worrying whether Jake (and others) may be affected in their grief by regret if they happened to not be very much in contact with Heath the last months/last year. There's no denying Heath aged quite a bit over the last year, judging from photos, and in recent images he often looked exhausted and drawn and as if he wasn't looking properly after himself. Also these reports (which seem credible) of prescription sleeping pills and other medication - as well as the break-up with Michelle whcih must have been draining on both - Sigh. All of it indicates Heath had a tough time. I'm thinking his friends might easily think back on that and whether they could have been there more. (And that's not me hinting at suicide or deliberate overdoses, because I don't believe any such thing for a second.)

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I think the fact that Heath was about Jake's age might have worsened the blow. Young people aren't used to death. The general idea is that it is something that happens to old people or to people much older than you.

Yes - they were still living their time in life when they owned the world and nothing seemed (really) wrong.... When it came to the two of them, I guess we all were.  :-\

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Re: Jake
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2008, 12:55:02 pm »
There's no denying Heath aged quite a bit over the last year, judging from photos, and in recent images he often looked exhausted and drawn and as if he wasn't looking properly after himself. Also these reports (which seem credible) of prescription sleeping pills and other medication - as well as the break-up with Michelle whcih must have been draining on both - Sigh. All of it indicates Heath had a tough time. I'm thinking his friends might easily think back on that and whether they could have been there more. (And that's not me hinting at suicide or deliberate overdoses, because I don't believe any such thing for a second.)

I have been thinking about this a lot myself.  :(

Yes - they were still living their time in life when they owned the world and nothing seemed (really) wrong..

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Re: Jake
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2008, 01:29:21 pm »
In addition to what has already been said, especially by Barb, concerning bonds remaining strong over distance and time... which I agree with whole-heartedly; I'm also thinking the long periods of away-time is the common denominator for everyone living a life like Jake's and Heath's. Travelling to far-away places, staying for weeks and months, intensely working and immersing themselves in new projects - then travelling around to shows and premieres and doing PR. It hardly makes for regularly scheduled meet-ups with friends, so I would guess they've taught themselves to keep in contact, or to keep the connection and friendship, despite that. And to meet whenever there's a possibility.

Mikela I hadn't thought of it like that. Thank-you.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2008, 01:39:25 pm »
Mikela I hadn't thought of it like that. Thank-you.

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Yep I agree. With their work schedules I doubt they got to see each other as often as they would have liked, so I,d imagine they kept in touch regularly by phone/email etc. I wonder who the poor sod was who got to tell Jake the bad news? I wouldn,t wish that on anyone. Poor poor Jake. Don,t you just want to hug him?  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2008, 01:42:58 pm »

I don't get your point. Before I was 20 I had lost many people, counting both my grandpas and grandmas. Before I was 20 I had been to more funerals than weddings. I think I'm not the only one. I don't think losing somebody period is something new for Jake. Losing somebody that young and somebody that close to him, yes, that must be new for him.

Me, too.  But Jake may not be in the same boat as we.  I know plenty of friends and people around me who haven't ever lost anyone.  Their grandparents are still alive, etc.  A co-worker's husband recently dropped dead suddenly of an unexpected heart attack and my other co-workers around me were at a loss as to what to do for her or what the timeline of things were.   nutmeg might be on to something, but we just don't know.

I'd like to think of Jake and Heath as long-distance friends.  Not the close kind you talk to every day or hang out with all the time, but the type that after there has been a long separation, you're able to pick up with again as if there was no time missing at all.  And I'm with Lauragigs, their scenes in BBM were made with a whole bunch of people standing just out of camera view.  In their own words, in such tender scenes as the tent 1 and 2, there was joking and possibly a few slugs of liquor before the scenes were shot.  I'm sure even the reunion scene was filmed with a sense of amusement between them seeing as how Jake later liked to tease that Heath almost broke his nose doing it.  I'm not going to look for anything more than that.  They were simply actors on a job that became closer than normal due to their scenes together similar to any leading lady who gets along well with her leading man in a love-story movie.  In Heath's case, he got the best of both worlds, friendship with his leading man love interest and a real-world love affair with his leading lady.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2008, 02:06:02 pm »
Let's not forget Maggie, another Gyllenhaal who has recently worked with Heath.  Both Jake and his sister must be very upset as they both worked closely with him.  I 'm sure she and Heath were planning on doing alot of publicity for THE DARK KNIGHT.  I hope Jake and Maggie find comfort in each other's grief.  There was a private ceremony in L.A.  for Heath last night and Jake isn't listed as being there. Perhaps he was but it wasn't noted.

I'm sure this is been posted elsewhere, but here are the details if you want to click the link.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20174029,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

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Re: Jake
« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2008, 02:09:02 pm »
I'd like to think of Jake and Heath as long-distance friends.  Not the close kind you talk to every day or hang out with all the time, but the type that after there has been a long separation, you're able to pick up with again as if there was no time missing at all.  And I'm with Lauragigs, their scenes in BBM were made with a whole bunch of people standing just out of camera view. [  ] They were simply actors on a job that became closer than normal due to their scenes together similar to any leading lady who gets along well with her leading man in a love-story movie.  In Heath's case, he got the best of both worlds, friendship with his leading man love interest and a real-world love affair with his leading lady.

Sure enough, but I think the reaction to the film took both Jake and Heath by surprise and threw them together in a sort of brothers-in-arms relationship. The two of them against the world of critics, crowd of fans, journalists, vocal nay-sayers, talk show hosts.....you name it.  For half a year or more they travelled around separately or together, but either way responded to the same questions over and over, had the same jokes and skits made on their behalf, watched that same clip over and over, attended the same award shows.....etc. There was much more fuss over Brokeback than nearly any other film I can think of. I'm thinking that must have made them bond just as much or more than those 14 takes of the FNIT. Only Heath could fully appreciate what that felt like to Jake, and vise versa. But of course, I may be completely wrong...



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Re: Jake
« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2008, 02:14:26 pm »
I looked up info on the movie Jake is filming right now, and the location isn't far from where I live. (Maybe a two-hour drive, but over passes that can be rough in winter.)

It's snowing now, too, though it may be raining down there. Supposed to be a major storm.

Just rambling, and thinking about how rapid changes in the weather might make it challenging to film outdoors.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #73 on: January 27, 2008, 02:21:27 pm »
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It's snowing now, too, though it may be raining down there. Supposed to be a major storm.
Sounds like the weather fits the mood, both ours and Jake's....


There was a private ceremony in L.A.  for Heath last night and Jake isn't listed as being there. Perhaps he was but it wasn't noted.
I'm sure this is been posted elsewhere, but here are the details if you want to click the link.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20174029,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

I've seen that, on a couple of sites, and there's been no pics related to this, and no mention of any others attending than Naomi Watts. That seems to prove to me that it is possible for celebrities to fly under the pap radar even in LA.

Which again, in a roundabout way, seems to prove that it's entirely possible that Jake and Heath did indeed meet up now and then over the 2 last years though there are no pap photos of such meetings.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2008, 02:51:38 pm »
Apologies for posting this.... it is intrusive but it's out there. I'm not certain whether I should do this.  :-\

Jake was out with Reese Witherspoon and her two kids and his two dogs in a park in LA yesterday. And some pap found them. And got busy with his camera.

http://x17online.com/celebrities/jake_gyllenhaal/jake_emerges_after_heaths_death-01272008.php#comments

I should think the fact that Jake was in LA yesterday means he attended the memorial service today... I hope so.


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Re: Jake
« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2008, 02:57:45 pm »
Apologies for posting this.... it is intrusive but it's out there. I'm not certain whether I should do this.  :-\

Jake was out with Reese Witherspoon and her two kids and his two dogs in a park in LA yesterday. And some pap found them. And got busy with his camera.

http://x17online.com/celebrities/jake_gyllenhaal/jake_emerges_after_heaths_death-01272008.php#comments

I should think the fact that Jake was in LA yesterday means he attended the memorial service today... I hope so.



omg poor Jake. The look on his face says it all doesn,t it? He,s probably wearing dark glasses because he,s been crying so much. I just want to hug him, bless him.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2008, 02:59:49 pm »
Apologies for posting this.... it is intrusive but it's out there. I'm not certain whether I should do this.  :-\

Jake was out with Reese Witherspoon and her two kids and his two dogs in a park in LA yesterday. And some pap found them. And got busy with his camera.

http://x17online.com/celebrities/jake_gyllenhaal/jake_emerges_after_heaths_death-01272008.php#comments

I should think the fact that Jake was in LA yesterday means he attended the memorial service today... I hope so.



 for one am like you and Leslie - my way to deal with this is to search out anything and everything that is going - I feel morbid for doing it but I just can't help but do it - so you're not along there and its good to know hes out and about and doing normal things - its what we all should be doing right now really
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Re: Jake
« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2008, 03:09:04 pm »
Consider this - if one of the friends you loved most in the world died suddenly and tragically, would you be ready to face a slew of cameras and share with the world how you feel about it?

I guess I'm not thinking of Jake holding a press conference, or even necessarily answering questions on the street for a mob of paparazzi. I'm thinking more of him issuing a written statement -- the kind celebrity couples do when they file for divorce, for example -- something brief, reasonably eloquent and heartfelt but not deeply personal or private.

God no, I wouldn't expect him to go face a slew of cameras and pour out his deepest feelings. And Michelle I wouldn't expect to say anything at all, written or otherwise.


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Re: Jake
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2008, 03:46:32 pm »


" . . . when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

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Re: Jake
« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2008, 03:50:29 pm »


" . . . when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."


Thanks for posting this Laura.   :'( :-*


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Re: Jake
« Reply #80 on: January 27, 2008, 04:57:34 pm »


" . . . when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

Oh Laura, you never fail to make me cry again with your choice of pictures and subtitles ...  :'(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #81 on: January 27, 2008, 06:18:50 pm »
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Re: Jake
« Reply #82 on: January 27, 2008, 06:26:10 pm »
You and me both, Amanda....

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The SAG Awards tonight
« Reply #83 on: January 27, 2008, 07:05:52 pm »
The SAG (Screen Actor's Guild) awards are tonight, with lots of film & TV stars attending in their finery. Normally it would be certain Jake (and Reese) would be there. Especially now that the GG's were held as a press conference and the Oscars are endangered.

http://www.sagawards.org/


Anyone watching this? I wonder if Jake will be there.... I wonder if anyone will comment about Heath on the red carpet, - and I especially wonder if there will be a tribute to him during the actual award ceremony.


The SAG site has a scrolling band kind images of actors who attended and were nominated at previous SAGs - both Jake, Michelle and Anne Hathaway are there and I feared Heath would pop up too - but he didn't, so they must have had the wits to remove his image.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #84 on: January 27, 2008, 08:19:47 pm »
Here are some pap photos of Jake today in L.A. with Reese and her kids. He went hiking with her.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #85 on: January 27, 2008, 08:22:16 pm »
If you look at the Pap pictures spare yourself and don't look at the comments at the bottom of the page some of them are really ugly.  I just don't know what gets into some people.  :'(
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Re: Jake
« Reply #86 on: January 27, 2008, 09:02:17 pm »
Betting Jake delivers a tribute to Heath at the Academy Awards...

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« Reply #87 on: January 27, 2008, 10:32:56 pm »
If you look at the Pap pictures spare yourself and don't look at the comments at the bottom of the page some of them are really ugly.  I just don't know what gets into some people.  :'(

Yeah Dot, I noticed that too!  What morons.  (I guess everyone's getting emotional to the point that they're a bit out of their heads? Maybe that's it . . )

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Re: Jake
« Reply #88 on: January 27, 2008, 10:58:44 pm »
These pictures of Heath and Jake are great. Thank you all so much for posting them. Of course, I copied each one. And of course I now have tears welling up which has been happening quite frequently these past days. They both look so happy in these pictures. It sure is terribly hard to know what to do with this empty spot I feel. I too have wondered what Jake is thinking and feeling. I know they had to very close friends. It just seemed obvious that they were. Someone said the two of the shared a lot in making a ground breaking movie like Brokeback and I completely agree with that. I do think that Jake is trying to stay away from making statements at this point. We really have no idea of how much this has probably affected him.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #89 on: January 27, 2008, 11:59:43 pm »

All those Jake and Heath pics remind me of those great heady days...even then Jake was running interference for Heath, shielding him and his shyness from the overenthusiastic public and paps.  Guess Jake is still doing that for him... :(

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Re: Jake
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2008, 12:10:37 am »


" . . . when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."


It just doesn' sink in that those times are over...  :'(


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Re: Jake
« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2008, 07:33:17 am »
If you look at the Pap pictures spare yourself and don't look at the comments at the bottom of the page some of them are really ugly.  I just don't know what gets into some people.  :'(

Yes, there were a few silly comments but a lot of good ones and supporting. I'm not sure if some of them are trolls or idiots that fail to realize that Jake was in LA for Heath's memorial. Earlier reports said that Jake was on location in New Mexico filming his new movie. So, I think it is pretty obvious he went to LA for the memorial. I'm only speculating but I imagine he spent the night quite upset, and Reese suggested they go for a walk the next day so he could calm down and return to work. After all, life goes on.
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Re: Jake
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2008, 07:21:18 pm »
Betting Jake delivers a tribute to Heath at the Academy Awards...

Is it certain that he'll be attenting? Is he scheduled to do something there?

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Re: Jake
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2008, 07:36:23 pm »

Is it certain that he'll be attenting? Is he scheduled to do something there?

Well, if there is a broadcast ceremony, I would think there's still enough time to arrange something and invite Jake to do it. That would be very nice and very appropriate, though I'm sure extremely hard for him. Maybe they could have Daniel Day-Lewis do it, though I don't know if I could get through another emotional tribute from him -- those for some reason just strike me as particularly gut-wrenching.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2008, 09:53:34 pm »

Is it certain that he'll be attenting? Is he scheduled to do something there?

If the Awards actually go on, what with the strike and all, I think it's very unlikely he'll be asked to do anything.  Jake isn't nominated.  None of the movies he was in have been nominated, he's never won an award, and it's been two years since BBM, so I'm doubtful of him even being invited unless it's really morbid on the part of the Academy to invite him, simply for a reaction shot when they show Heath's picture on the annual memorial slideshow.  Heath's loss is a great tragedy, moreso for his demise at such a young age, the loss of the movies we will never see him in, but I don't think the Academy will single him out, considering some actors lost in the last year have had decades of movie-making behind them.  It would seem strange.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2008, 10:14:19 pm »
...But they might well ask Maggie to present something, I'm thinking.

After all, Maggie is the "female lead" in the, by all accounts, most anticipated upcoming film of 2008 (and don't tell my that kind of commercial drive doesn't impact who gets the stage limelight at the Oscars...)

And she just finished filming opposite Heath in his last completed film, - unlike her brother's experience which now is more than 2 years ago.

So... perhaps?

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According to People, "Jake Is Taking Heath's Death 'Harder Than Most"
« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2008, 07:29:40 am »
Jake Is Taking Heath's Death 'Harder Than Most'
By Bryan Alexander

Heath Ledger's sudden death has been especially tough on his good friend – and Brokeback Mountain costar – Jake Gyllenhaal.

The actor, who is godfather to Ledger's two-year-old daughter Matilda, has been devastated by last week's news. Says one Gyllenhaal friend, "Jake is taking this harder than most people."

Nowhere is that more apparent than on the New Mexico set of Gyllenhaal's latest movie, Brothers.

"This has had a strong personal affect on [Jake]," says a set source. The insider adds that Gyllenhaal left the set immediately after learning of Ledger's – but he flew back on a commercial flight to shoot an additional scene Thursday.

"He was there, but he wasn't with us. It was obviously a major trauma," says the movie source. "These guys were very close. [Jake] was sitting in the director's chair staring off into space."

Gyllenhaal has been off since shooting that scene, and was photographed Saturday looking subdued with girlfriend Reese Witherspoon in Los Angeles. Set sources say director Jim Sheriden is shooting around the absent actor during his personal leave.

The 27-year-old's somber mood is sharp contrast to his happier times on the set of Brothers. During an early scene, a set source describes Gyllenhaal preparing for an intense prison scene. "Jake reaches into his pocket and takes out a picture of Heath Ledger and sticks it on the prison wall. Like those prisoners put [loved ones] on the wall, but Jake's was Heath Ledger," says the source. "That was hilarious. It was a nice moment."

The source adds, "When you think back on it now, it's touching."

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Re: Jake
« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2008, 07:57:55 am »
Natali, you beat me to posting this article.


"Gyllenhaal has been off since shooting that scene"

I hope this is true. I hope for Jake he's been given time off and can mourn someplace privately, without having to work and without any paps bothering him.

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Re: Jake
« Reply #99 on: January 30, 2008, 09:23:34 am »
If the Awards actually go on, what with the strike and all, I think it's very unlikely he'll be asked to do anything.  Jake isn't nominated.  None of the movies he was in have been nominated, he's never won an award, and it's been two years since BBM, so I'm doubtful of him even being invited unless it's really morbid on the part of the Academy to invite him, simply for a reaction shot when they show Heath's picture on the annual memorial slideshow.  Heath's loss is a great tragedy, moreso for his demise at such a young age, the loss of the movies we will never see him in, but I don't think the Academy will single him out, considering some actors lost in the last year have had decades of movie-making behind them.  It would seem strange.

He is a member of the Academy by virtue of the fact that he was nominated for an award. I think all members are invited to attend the ceremony but obviously not all attend. It would seem to be his decision to attend or not, not the other way around.

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« Reply #100 on: January 30, 2008, 11:54:48 am »
I think she meant whether they'd invite him to say anything onstage, hunh?

Anyway, on second thought I think Del's right. Inviting Jake would be too sad and morbid and hard on Jake to present anything. I do think they'll do something special for Heath, though probably just an extended part of that "Academy members who died during the past year" segment.

It's true that other actors have died with more movies behind them. But that's what's particularly sad about Heath, that he was so young, and just at the beginning of his career. When Katharine Hepburn died, it was a big deal because she was illustrious and beloved. But she was 96, died of natural causes, and had made lots and lots of movies. So -- no offense to Katharine or anyone -- it wasn't as tragic. I think that helps explain the huge outpouring of emotion and publicity surrounding Heath's death.





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Re: According to People, "Jake Is Taking Heath's Death 'Harder Than Most"
« Reply #101 on: January 30, 2008, 01:26:58 pm »
Jake Is Taking Heath's Death 'Harder Than Most'
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Re: Jake
« Reply #102 on: January 30, 2008, 01:38:52 pm »
In the age of OPRAH, we expect everyone to pour out their feelings on camera.  However, sometimes silence is deafening. Sometimes it hurts to much to talk about. Maybe Jake will say something in a magazine interview sometime in the future about Heath.  I don't think he will be at the Academy Awards. 

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« Reply #103 on: January 30, 2008, 01:56:24 pm »
Well, if there is a broadcast ceremony, I would think there's still enough time to arrange something and invite Jake to do it. That would be very nice and very appropriate, though I'm sure extremely hard for him. Maybe they could have Daniel Day-Lewis do it, though I don't know if I could get through another emotional tribute from him -- those for some reason just strike me as particularly gut-wrenching.

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I'm sure Jake will pay his tribute to Heath one way or another and I bet it'll be very touching.

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« Reply #104 on: January 30, 2008, 02:12:46 pm »
...However, sometimes silence is deafening. Sometimes it hurts to much to talk about. Maybe Jake will say something in a magazine interview sometime in the future about Heath.......

Yes, I've been thinking the same thing.  His silence for the time being is telling me so much about what a class act he is and about the depth and sincerity of his emotions. 

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« Reply #105 on: January 30, 2008, 02:31:26 pm »
Yes, I've been thinking the same thing.  His silence for the time being is telling me so much about what a class act he is and about the depth and sincerity of his emotions. 

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Re: Jake
« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2008, 09:04:16 pm »


Based on the little bit of reporting about Jake that's emerged today... it sounds like he's pretty traumatized and is hiding out for a while.  I've posted a few times here and there that E!News tonight ran a rather long segment on Jake's strong reaction to losing Heath.  They kept repeating the phrase "he's taking it harder than most."  And, the most substantial thing that has emerged is that his current film is now shut down because Jake is so grief-stricken.


E!News also reported an interesting/odd tidbit about something Jake did on the movie set prior to Heath's passing.  Apparently, he pinned up a picture of Heath in his jail cell being used in a certain scene.  Who knows if that's true or just an odd rumor.

The report spent a fair amount of time talking about the strength of the friendship between Heath and Jake and they discussed Jake's role as godfather.

Poor Jake. :(

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« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2008, 09:08:51 pm »
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« Reply #108 on: January 31, 2008, 06:34:35 am »

E!News also reported an interesting/odd tidbit about something Jake did on the movie set prior to Heath's passing.  Apparently, he pinned up a picture of Heath in his jail cell being used in a certain scene.  Who knows if that's true or just an odd rumor.



I agree that it's a pretty odd rumour to be spreading around. I hardly believe anything like that happened, but then again, how can you even make such a thing up? It's quite puzzling.

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« Reply #109 on: January 31, 2008, 06:53:18 am »
I agree that it's a pretty odd rumour to be spreading around. I hardly believe anything like that happened, but then again, how can you even make such a thing up? It's quite puzzling.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. If it is, did Jake do that while shoting a scene or what? I don't really get that part..

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Re: According to People, "Jake Is Taking Heath's Death 'Harder Than Most"
« Reply #110 on: January 31, 2008, 07:03:30 am »
E!News also reported an interesting/odd tidbit about something Jake did on the movie set prior to Heath's passing.  Apparently, he pinned up a picture of Heath in his jail cell being used in a certain scene.  Who knows if that's true or just an odd rumor.

I think this may be the source:-

The 27-year-old's somber mood is sharp contrast to his happier times on the set of Brothers. During an early scene, a set source describes Gyllenhaal preparing for an intense prison scene. "Jake reaches into his pocket and takes out a picture of Heath Ledger and sticks it on the prison wall. Like those prisoners put [loved ones] on the wall, but Jake's was Heath Ledger," says the source. "That was hilarious. It was a nice moment."
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20174820,00.html


As we have all seen, Jake is really quite funny on interviews!  I wouldn't be surprised if this one was true-he and Heath always made little jokes about the film (the interview with the cast on Oprah certainly showed that!).

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« Reply #111 on: January 31, 2008, 11:53:24 am »
Oooohhhhhhh!!! For some reason, when I first read that on another thread, I thought it had happened AFTER Heath's passing. In which case I saw the anecdote in a totally different light, and I wondered how it could have been described as "hilarious" or "a nice moment."

 ???  :-\

But now that I get it, it IS pretty funny.

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« Reply #112 on: January 31, 2008, 03:21:53 pm »
Yes, I was definitely under the impression that it happened before Heath died.  Interesting gesture indeed.

Poor Jake. :(


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« Reply #113 on: February 03, 2008, 05:15:05 am »
There's an article now in the Sydney Morning Herald that says Jake is expected to attend the funeral in Australia this upcoming week. I wonder if they're just speculating out loud?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/heath-ledger/heaths-spirit-lives-on-in-our-daughter-williams/2008/02/02/1201801092511.html

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« Reply #114 on: February 03, 2008, 05:43:02 am »
Could some kind person please open this link for me and paste what it says here so I can read it? When I click on it it says I,m not authorised or something.
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/19964025.html

I watched A Knights Tale last night on Sky movies. It was so good, and Heath was so brilliant in it. I simply couldn,t get my head round the fact that the lovely, talented, and extreemly handsome young man I was seeing on the screen is no longer with us. :'(
At the end when he,s kissing the girl, he smiles at her, and his whole face just lights up, and he smiles with his lovely brown eyes. Bless him. It,s so unfair. :'( :'( :'( :'(

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« Reply #115 on: February 03, 2008, 05:53:18 am »
Knight's Tale is my second favourite Heath film, the one I'd watch when I needed something feel-good to pick me up. I used to watch that ending and imagine the stands and cheering crowds being those of a rodeo, and Jocelyn being Jack.

I so wanted a fairytale happy Brokeback ending, back then. Still do. But now I want a fairytale happy ending, period.  :-\



The OntD link leads to a friends-locked entry. Only members can read it. (fwiw, I'm not a member). Didn't know they did that secrecy thing there, throught they were all about spreading celebrity stuff to the world at large.

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« Reply #116 on: February 03, 2008, 06:14:29 am »

I so wanted a fairytale happy Brokeback ending, back then. Still do. But now I want a fairytale happy ending, period.  :-\


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« Reply #117 on: February 03, 2008, 06:17:31 am »
I watched A Knights Tale last night on Sky movies.


Three degrees of separation-my friend knows Laura Fraser, who played the ironmonger!  She said that Heath was an "absolute gentleman" to work with, a "really decent guy".  And this was before he passed away.  And she went to my old school! 

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« Reply #118 on: February 03, 2008, 06:39:53 am »

Three degrees of separation-my friend knows Laura Fraser, who played the ironmonger!  She said that Heath was an "absolute gentleman" to work with, a "really decent guy".  And this was before he passed away.  And she went to my old school! 

OMG Sandy now that has just made me howl. I forgot to add before, that after the movie had finished, I went to bed and cried, again. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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« Reply #119 on: February 03, 2008, 10:45:33 pm »
Could some kind person please open this link for me and paste what it says here so I can read it? When I click on it it says I,m not authorised or something.
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/19964025.html

I watched A Knights Tale last night on Sky movies. It was so good, and Heath was so brilliant in it. I simply couldn,t get my head round the fact that the lovely, talented, and extreemly handsome young man I was seeing on the screen is no longer with us. :'(
At the end when he,s kissing the girl, he smiles at her, and his whole face just lights up, and he smiles with his lovely brown eyes. Bless him. It,s so unfair. :'( :'( :'( :'(

Hi Souxi,
In order to open this file you need to go to Livejournal and create an account, then comment to the writter, in this case ohnotheydidnt, to add you as a freind to their "Friends list". A lot of writters there have been locking thier journels beause of some not so nice comments that have been going around.
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« Reply #120 on: February 04, 2008, 07:31:52 am »
Hi Souxi,
In order to open this file you need to go to Livejournal and create an account, then comment to the writter, in this case ohnotheydidnt, to add you as a freind to their "Friends list". A lot of writters there have been locking thier journels beause of some not so nice comments that have been going around.
hope this helps.
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Thank you Rory. I do have an LJ account but to be honest, it seems a bit of a cheek on my part, to ask to be friended. I,ve never read any of this users stories, so it seems a bit cheeky to ask to be friended just so I can read that article. I,d still like to know what it said though.

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« Reply #121 on: February 04, 2008, 01:47:58 pm »
I hate to be the cynical New Yorker, but... I honestly don't believe a word of this. I'm sorry. It definitely makes for a great fanfic, but I think that's all it is.

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« Reply #122 on: February 04, 2008, 01:51:44 pm »
I hate to be the cynical New Yorker, but... I honestly don't believe a word of this. I'm sorry. It definitely makes for a great fanfic, but I think that's all it is.

You think it,s fake? Oh. Maybe I should delete it then. What does everyone else think? I can,t imagine why anyone would make it up. :-\ But if you all think it,s untrue I,ll delete it, np.

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« Reply #123 on: February 04, 2008, 01:55:45 pm »
You think it,s fake? Oh. Maybe I should delete it then. What does everyone else think? I can,t imagine why anyone would make it up. :-\ But if you all think it,s untrue I,ll delete it, np.
LOL, just because I don't believe it doesn't mean it's untrue!

But it has all the hallmarks of fanfic. Unlikely scenario (being allowed onto a closed set), on this particular day, and just happening to be present to witness the very moment the star takes perhaps the most devastating phone call of his life so far. I would not be surprised to see this one show up deconstructed and debunked on Snopes.com soon.

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« Reply #124 on: February 04, 2008, 01:57:32 pm »
LOL, just because I don't believe it doesn't mean it's untrue!

But it has all the hallmarks of fanfic. Unlikely scenario (being allowed onto a closed set), on this particular day, and just happening to be present to witness the very moment the star takes perhaps the most devastating phone call of his life so far. I would not be surprised to see this one show up deconstructed and debunked on Snopes.com soon.

Oh well looks like I,ve been "had" then. I,ll delete it. Sorry, the LAST thing I want to do is upset anyone, especially now.

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« Reply #125 on: February 04, 2008, 01:57:59 pm »
You think it,s fake? Oh. Maybe I should delete it then. What does everyone else think? I can,t imagine why anyone would make it up. :-\ But if you all think it,s untrue I,ll delete it, np.

Guess we'll never know, but I don't believe it.

No, Souxi, you don't have to delete it, just leave it there, we have more reports on this forum that we are not sure about if they are true or not...

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« Reply #126 on: February 04, 2008, 02:02:19 pm »
Souxi, no one here would blame you for wanting to read that story. Or wanting to believe it. And no one here--including me--knows for sure if it's a hoax or not. It sounds like one, but stranger things have definitely happened.

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« Reply #127 on: February 04, 2008, 02:07:22 pm »
Souxi, no one here would blame you for wanting to read that story. Or wanting to believe it. And no one here--including me--knows for sure if it's a hoax or not. It sounds like one, but stranger things have definitely happened.

Well I,ve deleted it anyway. I feel terrible now.  :'(

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« Reply #128 on: February 04, 2008, 02:11:42 pm »
Well I,ve deleted it anyway. I feel terrible now.  :'(
You shouldn't feel terrible. Honestly. You posted it in good faith. And if it turns out to be true... you're to be commended for believing the best of people.


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Re: Jake
« Reply #129 on: February 04, 2008, 02:13:29 pm »
I got confused, and just deleted my message.

I thought that the "story" Souxi was talking about was the one about Jake putting up a pic of Heath on the set of "Brothers."

But she was talking about the other story about someone seeing Jake "take the call."  I don"t believe that story either.
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« Reply #130 on: February 04, 2008, 02:16:10 pm »
Well I,ve deleted it anyway. I feel terrible now.  :'(

I've missed the topic everyone is talking about and that has now been deleted   ???

Could someone PM me?

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« Reply #131 on: February 04, 2008, 02:19:26 pm »
I got confused, and just deleted my message.

I thought that the "story" Souxi was talking about was the one about Jake putting up a pic of Heath on the set of "Brothers."

But she was talking about the other story about someone seeing Jake "take the call."  I don"t believe that story either.
I modified my post to delete my reference to your deleted post. LOL

Seems if this story were true, at least one of these people would have done an exclusive interview about it with a major media outlet by now. But even saying that, I know I personally would not have done so...

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« Reply #132 on: February 04, 2008, 02:21:09 pm »
This has been widely discussed elsewhere, I don't see there is any reason to delete it, really. I read it on the DC forum.

Someone outside of the fandom who is a fan of Jake, reported being on the set of "Brothers" and getting a chance to watch filming and witnessed Jake getting a phone call telling him about Heath's death.

I think what makes this less believable is that it is unlikely Jake would have heard the news by phone.  Someone would have phoned the director and he would have been told personally - by someone.  That is my view.
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« Reply #133 on: February 04, 2008, 02:28:07 pm »
This has been widely discussed elsewhere, I don't see there is any reason to delete it, really. I read it on the DC forum.

Someone outside of the fandom who is a fan of Jake, reported being on the set of "Brothers" and getting a chance to watch filming and witnessed Jake getting a phone call telling him about Heath's death.

I think what makes this less believable is that it is unlikely Jake would have heard the news by phone.  Someone would have phoned the director and he would have been told personally - by someone.  That is my view.

It will probably make the email rounds, and eventually find its way to Snopes.com to be debunked.

There is a chance that Jake would have turned his phone on right after filming his last scene, listened to his voicemails, heard one telling him to call (let's say Maggie, for instance) immediately because it's an emergency, called "Maggie" and was told that way.

That still doesn't erase all the other hoax red flags being raised by the story.

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« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2008, 03:01:20 pm »
I've missed the topic everyone is talking about and that has now been deleted   ???

Could someone PM me?

Sandy I,m sorry but I,ve deleted the pm I got about this. Thinking more about it, it doesn,t seem that was how Jake would have found out either. I felt so terrible I deleted it. This is an awful time for a lot of people, not least Heaths, family and friends, and the LAST thing I would ever want to do, is post something about Jake or Heath that isn,t true. I guess we,ll find out eventually anyway.

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« Reply #135 on: February 05, 2008, 10:07:07 am »
Sandy I,m sorry but I,ve deleted the pm I got about this. Thinking more about it, it doesn,t seem that was how Jake would have found out either. I felt so terrible I deleted it. This is an awful time for a lot of people, not least Heaths, family and friends, and the LAST thing I would ever want to do, is post something about Jake or Heath that isn,t true. I guess we,ll find out eventually anyway.

Hi Souxi, don't feel bad.  All you were doing was bringing the story to everyone's attention.  We all know from the News Accounts threads the absolute b******t that the media is saying about drugs etc.  Although I don't want to know, it is better for us to know exactly what is being said out there. 

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« Reply #136 on: February 06, 2008, 02:26:37 pm »
This has been widely discussed elsewhere, I don't see there is any reason to delete it, really. I read it on the DC forum.

Someone outside of the fandom who is a fan of Jake, reported being on the set of "Brothers" and getting a chance to watch filming and witnessed Jake getting a phone call telling him about Heath's death.

I think what makes this less believable is that it is unlikely Jake would have heard the news by phone.  Someone would have phoned the director and he would have been told personally - by someone.  That is my view.

In a time and age where people break up with others via sms I don't think it's that unlikely of him getting that news over the phone. Maybe his agent wanted to tell him personally but wasnt there..

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« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2008, 03:50:36 am »



I read somewhere on my f-list on lj, an woman living in Perth, that Jake has arrived in Perth.

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« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2008, 03:57:27 am »
Yes, it has been reported in the australian press too.
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« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2008, 04:02:44 am »
That's oddly comforting. I bet Michelle will be very happy to have him there.  :'(

God, the next two days will be so sad for them all, I can't even begin to imagine how they would get through days like this.

 :'( :'( :'(