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To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« on: March 07, 2008, 11:21:48 pm »
To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?

Fun, can be what you want and what you can detail.

Post as often as you can. Even add pic(s), if you like too??

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 06:49:03 pm »
Somehow, seeing Jack smile is fun for me.

Seeing Ennis smile more so?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 07:09:47 pm »
Yeah, seeing Jack smile's fun. And Ennis teasing him about his harmonica playing (and then later teasing him about forgetting to bring it).

Hmmmm...what else? I love the scene where Jack is doing is "rodeo cowboy" impression and ends up falling over. Ennis banging on the tripod over the fire with the spoon(?) when Jack's singing "Water Walking Jesus". I like those fun bits.

If there's one thing I think the movie could have had more of, it would be the "fun" times they had together.

I agree though. Seeing Ennis smile is even better.


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 07:49:01 pm »
This movie was sort of short on fun moments, per se, I have to admit.  One moment I thought was rather funny was when Cassie doesn't take no for an answer from Ennis, and drags him out on the dance floor anyway when they first meet.  I mean, how many girls DON'T understand that when a man's gotta go pee, a man's GOTTA go pee.  Not like girls at all, in that sense.  Most of us have bladders the size of Texas.  I know I can go for several hours after that initial urge.  Anyway, back to the point, Ennis must have been at least somewhat intrigued by her bravado, if nothing else, cause there he was out there, doing his finest interpretation of dancing.  Let's face it, old Heath wasn't exactly twinkletoes in any of his movies, was he (A Knight's Tale, 10 Things I Hate About You)?  Anyway, that's one of the few "fun" moments I can recall.

And, of course, every time either of them smiled in each other's presence.  Definitely.
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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 08:26:19 pm »
Thanks BlissC!

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Ennis teasing him about his harmonica playing

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I love that too!

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And what do you think about Ennis runing after jack or was it Jack runing after Ennis?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2008, 02:08:17 pm »


I find funny,or at least cute,the way Jack laugh in the scene of "Tent don´t look right".And the smitten glances they give to each other after Ennis says "what?".
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 02:21:37 pm »
Thanks myprivatejack!

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I find funny,or at least cute,the way Jack laugh in the scene of "Tent don´t look right".And the smitten glances they give to each other after Ennis says "what?". 

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Same here. Maybe someone will tell us?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 05:07:49 pm »
Yeah, the "tent don't look right" scene always made me smile too, with Ennis fiddling around with it an keep adjusting it, and right of the end of that scene, as Ennis sits back down next to the fire Jack gives a grin - I like that.  :)

With the smitten glances after the "What?", especially with Jack, it's like you can see him thinking it's special that Ennis is finally talking to him like that.

Another bit that always makes me laugh, though it's not a "fun" bit, is when Jack arrives at Ennis's and the exchange between Ennis and Alma, just because it's such an odd thing to say:

Alma: You know, your friend could come inside, have a cup of coffee...
Ennis: He's from Texas.
Alma: Texans don't drink coffee?

I agree with Mandy21 though - the movie was short on the "fun" moments, and I think it could have done with a little more.


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2008, 08:20:56 pm »
Thanks BlissC!

Should we be surprised that Alma did NOT off a can of those famous beans?

Would that have been more a joke as to lighten up that scene?
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Do you think Ennis had told her about the beans?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2008, 10:46:06 pm »
This movie was sort of short on fun moments, per se, I have to admit.  One moment I thought was rather funny was when Cassie doesn't take no for an answer from Ennis, and drags him out on the dance floor anyway when they first meet.  I mean, how many girls DON'T understand that when a man's gotta go pee, a man's GOTTA go pee.  Not like girls at all, in that sense.  Most of us have bladders the size of Texas.  I know I can go for several hours after that initial urge.  Anyway, back to the point, Ennis must have been at least somewhat intrigued by her bravado, if nothing else, cause there he was out there, doing his finest interpretation of dancing.  Let's face it, old Heath wasn't exactly twinkletoes in any of his movies, was he (A Knight's Tale, 10 Things I Hate About You)?  Anyway, that's one of the few "fun" moments I can recall.

And, of course, every time either of them smiled in each other's presence.  Definitely.


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO true.  I flew non-stop France to Texas and never went to the bathroom once.

What's fun for me are their early scenes together.  While they're together in their personal paradise of Brokeback.  Later, after, it's more bittersweet than 'fun'.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2008, 10:49:06 pm »
Wow! That is somehow funny!

Glad you are that you do not have a prostrate?

Ha! Ha!

But Jack and Ennis did... have that!!

Is Jack pissing scene funny? Somehow?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2008, 11:57:57 pm »
my personal favorite was when ennis said "we're supposed to gaurd the sheep , not eat 'em"
that always cracks me up.

and anytime ennis trips over stuff.  he was so clutsy. ;D

there was a thread over in imdb where someone posted a video of clips of jack being pissed off.  the video was called "twist of a bitch" and it was so funny how it was put together.  i wonder if it's still around....

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 12:21:47 am »
i found the video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm gonna post in it's own thread so everyone sees it.


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2008, 01:31:03 pm »
 ;D :laugh: ;D :laugh:

I love it!


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2008, 03:15:02 pm »
my personal favorite was when ennis said "we're supposed to gaurd the sheep , not eat 'em"
that always cracks me up.

and anytime ennis trips over stuff.  he was so clutsy. ;D

there was a thread over in imdb where someone posted a video of clips of jack being pissed off.  the video was called "twist of a bitch" and it was so funny how it was put together.  i wonder if it's still around....

Yes yes agree with all those,plus the , last one in scene,just after the motel scene.It just always seems such a boyish,innocent, totally uninhibited,moment of joy.I have watched my kids do exactly the same thing.

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 04:37:03 pm »
Wow!

In that clip, did Jack say:
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You drank too much...

If so, to whom?

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 08:28:19 pm »
Wow!

In that clip, did Jack say:
If so, to whom?

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I think I was a litle unclear in my post.The scene I refer to is after they leave the motel.They drive off together,then strip off ,and jump off the cliff into the water.One of them says,last one in. It just semed like I said, a moment of pure boyish fun.No inhibitions,just fun. Always makes me smile.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 09:04:14 pm »
Thanks optom!

Like you say, I agree an find that fun too:
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They drive off together,then strip off ,and jump off the cliff into the water.One of them says,last one in. It just semed like I said, a moment of pure boyish fun.No inhibitions,just fun. Always makes me smile.
 

To that, wow, wow!! May two persons do that often! (I with others used to do something similar skinny dipping when young (girls and boys) after work but after midnight!) And may we continue to enjoy that as viewers too!

Did you now that that is NOT Jake with Ennis??

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 10:23:19 pm »
Thanks optom!

Like you say, I agree an find that fun too:
To that, wow, wow!! May two persons do that often! (I with others used to do something similar skinny dipping when young (girls and boys) after work but after midnight!) And may we continue to enjoy that as viewers too!

Did you now that that is NOT Jake with Ennis??

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 10:26:53 pm »

and anytime ennis trips over stuff.  he was so clutsy. ;D


I love that too! It helps break up the sexual tension you know is about to occur in TS1. My other fav is Ennis ribbing Jack about his harmonica playing, I love seeing Jack's smile as he's laying on the ground about to begin playing it again.
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 10:37:04 pm »
Thanks BBM-Cat, thanks optom!

Optom, you say:
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I remember reading that Jake used a body double,have no idea why,with a body like his!!!!!
 
 
 
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Yes, it was said to be a double for Jake, but why? Yes, Jake sure was OK body wise. So, I wondered often as to why the camera was so far, far away when those two men jumped in the lake/river; was it so we  would not see that it was NOT Jake?

As you said, it is fun to see them jump in... as is it was Ennis and Jack!!


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How often was this ribbing?

As you say:
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My other fav is Ennis ribbing Jack about his harmonica playing, I love seeing Jack's smile as he's laying on the ground about to begin playing it again.   

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2008, 12:52:12 pm »
I have to say it was fun just watching Jack do what he does best - bitch. :D
He complains about everything but it's so endearing that you want to hit him and hug him all at the same time.

And his harmonica playing - Ennis's comments are just as endearing. "You're gonna scare off them sheep!"

Ha, the sheep are funny too for some reason. There's so many!  :laugh:

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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 01:38:30 pm »
I have to say it was fun just watching Jack do what he does best - bitch. :D

Hmmmm, yeah, I know what you mean. The "commuting four hours a day" line for some reason always makes me smile.  :)


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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 07:04:19 pm »
Thanks elomelo, thanks BlissC!!

It is an accent that you two are placing on Jack... which makes us smile. We do find him funny that way!

Maybe this is an aside, may I ask you and others if Jack can also be considered: coy??

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 07:05:29 pm »
Nothing about the movie was in any way fun for me.

The fun came later when I met all ya'll.  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 07:09:12 pm »
I like what you say Shakestheground!

You made me smile!

You do not find some fun when you look at the BM film: more and more??

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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 07:17:30 pm »
Truman, I gotta tell ya, I am "shook to the ground" that you said that...

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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2008, 08:46:57 pm »
Thanks Mandy21!

I am sure that Shakestheground is shaking his sense of humour... to please us!

It could be that even in my FIRST viewing of the BM film, that I did NOT see any fun in it?

My straight brother got up so, so quickly when he saw Jack kneeling and Ennis was to play... that he advanced that scene... so I saw no sex action!! But I can not remember if he did advance too the kissing in the tent scene??

The BM movie remains dire for many as a drama or tragedy... and not much FUN in it?

What do you see as  some fun in it, scene or gesture or act, or ??

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2008, 01:16:32 pm »
Thanks elomelo, thanks BlissC!!

It is an accent that you two are placing on Jack... which makes us smile. We do find him funny that way!

Maybe this is an aside, may I ask you and others if Jack can also be considered: coy??

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Ha, you're right Artiste! Coy is a good word - the second night in the tent, he WAS shirtless though we saw Ennis rubbing his hands in front of the fire. Seduction, anyone? Hm..

And more fun? Hmm... More cute and endearing but when they embrace after those years and they start to sway, then when Jack pulls back he's looking directly at Ennis's lips. Huzzah!

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2008, 03:13:44 pm »
So much heartache and tragedy in the film, but also so much fun - but like everything else about the film, so subtle.


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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2008, 03:54:20 pm »
So much heartache and tragedy in the film, but also so much fun - but like everything else about the film, so subtle.

So true. :)

I dunno if this falls into the category of fun, more wonderment than anything, but the first five or so minutes of the movie is in complete silence?  :o That, my friend, is amazing cinema right there.

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2008, 04:14:01 pm »
That, my friend, is amazing cinema right there.

So true. Some truly inspired directing, and a testament to Heath and Jake's acting abilities with the subtle looks and everything else that keep you enthralled and hooked already although not a word's been spoken.  :)


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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2008, 04:17:38 pm »
So true. Some truly inspired directing, and a testament to Heath and Jake's acting abilities with the subtle looks and everything else that keep you enthralled and hooked already although not a word's been spoken.  :)

Couldn't have said it better. :)

Ha, another FUN moment: the first word spoken in the movie is what Jack says when he pulls up into Agguire's parking lot and kicks at his ancient truck. 'Shit'.  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2008, 11:02:44 pm »
Thanks Bliss, thanks elomelo!!

I love that kick too!

Is it in Annie's story?

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2008, 07:51:56 am »
Ha, another FUN moment: the first word spoken in the movie is what Jack says when he pulls up into Agguire's parking lot and kicks at his ancient truck. 'Shit'.  ;D

Yeah, that kinda sets the scene for Jack's bitching for the whole of the rest of the film. He's just so damned sweet though whatever he's bitching about.  ;D

Is it in Annie's story?

I don't think it is. From memory the story goes straight from the description of their upbringings to the conversation in Aguirre's office.


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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2008, 11:31:49 am »
Thanks bliss!

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Yeah, that kinda sets the scene for Jack's bitching for the whole of the rest of the film. He's just so damned sweet though whatever he's bitching about 

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Bilss: I agree with what you say. Did you notice too that Jack right away cruises the man waiting besides that trailer? Of course after, kicking his tire!

Is that immediate cruising by Jack fun for you?

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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2008, 11:37:21 am »
Thanks elomelo!

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FUN moment: the first word spoken in the movie is what Jack says when he pulls up into Agguire's parking lot and kicks at his ancient truck. 'Shit' 
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Yes, that is fun!

Ever thought which word(s) is next, especially IN HIS HEAD as he sees A MAN besides that trailer then??

Would it be a word like: Wow! Or:Oh, my, a hunk!! Or??

I find it fun just to think what Jack thinks then...

and may I ask you if you do too??

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2008, 01:17:39 pm »
Artiste, for your BBM sequel perhaps a sidestory from Jack's POV?? With his thoughts  :laugh: 'Oh la la, a hunk' fits the category quite well!

And Jack's thoughts in general would be fun to listen to - oh, dear, if someone complains that much outloud imagine inside his head. I read a fanfic once that had Ennis bump his head off something and suddenly be able to hear people's thoughts - Jack's was pretty funny at times and at others, romantic and sad.

Yeahh! Everyone's thoughts as opposed to dialogue - let me know what you think. :)

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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2008, 01:55:00 pm »
Thanks elomelo, and thanks to all too!! Help from all needed??

Your post, wow:
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Artiste, for your BBM sequel perhaps a sidestory from Jack's POV?? With his thoughts   'Oh la la, a hunk' fits the category quite well!
 
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Yes, that would be so great!! I wonder if Annie and/or the ss writers and/or others too are thinking about doing that??

For now, you give my a good idea: what do you say that we (you and I, and maybe others), do a short clip for now?? Like one for YouTube?? For one, two or three minutes??

You create the words... and you will  have them added to the images I will select either alone, with you and/or others?? FOR THAT start of the BM movie??

Awaiting your thoughts,

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2008, 07:33:27 pm »
Thanks elomelo, and thanks to all too!! Help from all needed??

Your post, wow:..........

Yes, that would be so great!! I wonder if Annie and/or the ss writers and/or others too are thinking about doing that??

For now, you give my a good idea: what do you say that we (you and I, and maybe others), do a short clip for now?? Like one for YouTube?? For one, two or three minutes??

You create the words... and you will  have them added to the images I will select either alone, with you and/or others?? FOR THAT start of the BM movie??

Awaiting your thoughts,

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That is a marvelous, marvelous idea! ;D ;D ;D
Oh, I feel all giddy thinking on it - we should make a seperate thread for this perhaps??
Ranting and raving with ideas is much in order.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2008, 07:33:41 pm »
my favorite, enrichingly personal and yes, fun, scene/line was when Ennis was awaiting Jack's arrival after four years. His nervous pacing and beer drinking was engorged with anticiaption and youthful love. the climax was his line "....see if he shows" which not only underscored the height of his eagerness, but also the shadow of disappointment if Jack was not to appear. I could jump onto the screen each time I see that.

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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2008, 07:44:12 pm »
Thanks HerrKaiser:

Like you say:
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"....see if he shows" which not only underscored the height of his eagerness, but also the shadow of disappointment if Jack was not to appear. I could jump onto the screen each time I see that.
 

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I sure LOVE that: ... see if he shows, I do too !! And now find that fun... wow!
Any pic of that?

Any other such great choice HerrKaiser?

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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2008, 07:46:51 pm »
Thanls elomelo!

Interesting:
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That is a marvelous, marvelous idea!   
Oh, I feel all giddy thinking on it - we should make a seperate thread for this perhaps??
Ranting and raving with ideas is much in order.

 
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Ok, if you like, start it?

For now, add your words here too ??

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2008, 08:03:59 pm »
Thanks HerrKaiser:

Like you say:
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I sure LOVE that: ... see if he shows, I do too !! And now find that fun... wow!
Any pic of that?

Any other such great choice HerrKaiser?

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another FUN mini-scene for me was at camp when Ennis was still cook and camp guard. while cooking eggs one morning, crouching down abreast the fire, he lifts the frying pan of eggs and bacon toward Jack and utters the contraction "...h' y go".

he'd been silent and inward yet his face revealed his true interest in Jack's rantings and as a friend. This murmur "..h' y go" was so endearingly fun and an expression of serving Jack in the only way he knew he could at that point. Ever so fun and rich with joy.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2008, 08:08:20 pm »

another FUN mini-scene for me was at camp when Ennis was still cook and camp guard. while cooking eggs one morning, crouching down abreast the fire, he lifts the frying pan of eggs and bacon toward Jack and utters the contraction "...h' y go".

he'd been silent and inward yet his face revealed his true interest in Jack's rantings and as a friend. This murmur "..h' y go" was so endearingly fun and such expression of serving Jack in a the only way he knew he could at that point. Ever so fun and rich with joy.

 ;D Ha yeah and it's a friendly mock too - right before that he tells Jack that he can't be any more worse than him.

Another fun mini-scene, as you put it :), is the complete akwardness when Ennis introduces Jack to Alma after that particularly intimate kiss on the stairwell. Ennis has this didnt-make-out-with-nobody-though-I-look-it expression while Jack has this wide eyed, frazzled look. And Alma is just at a loss for words and looks like she could throw up. Akward yet entertaining.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2008, 08:09:51 pm »
Thanls elomelo!

Interesting:......

Ok, if you like, start it?

For now, add your words here too ??

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Alright, I'll start it after dinner so I'll be back in twenty or so.

A question: Are we going to have the whole movie with thoughts or scenes from the movie, which are particularly important and need thought? Like the first meeting-and-subtle-checking-out scene.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2008, 09:25:47 pm »
Another fun mini-scene, as you put it :), is the complete akwardness when Ennis introduces Jack to Alma after that particularly intimate kiss on the stairwell. Ennis has this didnt-make-out-with-nobody-though-I-look-it expression while Jack has this wide eyed, frazzled look.

That look of Jack's is just priceless, and Ennis is trying sooooo hard to look totally innocent. Just makes you want to hug the pair of them!  :)


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2008, 09:37:10 pm »
That look of Jack's is just priceless, and Ennis is trying sooooo hard to look totally innocent. Just makes you want to hug the pair of them!  :)

;D

And the way they have their hands jammed in their pockets, like teenagers trying not to touch each other. xD

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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2008, 09:38:36 pm »
Thanks:

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  Ennis has this didnt-make-out-with-nobody-though-I-look-it expression while Jack has this wide eyed, frazzled look. And Alma is just at a loss for words and looks like she could throw up. Akward yet entertaining.

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Yes, that is fun when you see that the second time...

plus like Bliss says!

Great scenes for fun!! If you take it lightly... of course.

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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2008, 09:41:27 pm »
Elomelo:

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And the way they have their hands jammed in their pockets, like teenagers trying not to touch each other. xD 

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I do not remember that! I glad that you mention it. So I will make sure next time I see the BM movie!
Only one did that? Or BOTH??

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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2008, 09:43:54 pm »
Elomero:

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Are we going to have the whole movie with thoughts or scenes from the movie, which are particularly important and need thought? Like the first meeting-and-subtle-checking-out scene.

 

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That is a good question! What do you think or desire? One scene after another... till the end?? Or only certain major scenes, more apt for that?

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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2008, 10:22:52 pm »
Elomelo:

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I do not remember that! I glad that you mention it. So I will make sure next time I see the BM movie!
Only one did that? Or BOTH??

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One of them or both - good question. I saw it in a still of a scene somewhere on the net but I'm pretty sure at least one of them had their hands in their pockets..or ar my eyes playing tricks on me? :P

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2008, 10:27:29 pm »
Elomero:

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That is a good question! What do you think or desire? One scene after another... till the end?? Or only certain major scenes, more apt for that?

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Well, I think it'd be better if we go for the initially important 'main' scenes and see how that works out. And then we can push for the whole movie which, I warn you, will be a hard task. But I think we can handle it with the right amount of enthusiasm and sugar-laden coffee. ;D

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Oh, damn, here I am thinking about it and maybe we could do the whole movie. Or...ahhr, I'm too excited already.  :-\ Hmm, well what are your thoughts on this? Should we do the main scenes or maybe the whole movie, and slice it into sections or 'acts'?

Both could be done and well, too, but time might not be on our side.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2008, 07:08:26 am »
Hands in pockets? From memory I think it was both of them, but...aw, damn! I can feel having to get up and putting the DVD on to check coming right up!  :laugh:

That is a marvelous, marvelous idea! ;D ;D ;D
Oh, I feel all giddy thinking on it - we should make a seperate thread for this perhaps??
Ranting and raving with ideas is much in order.

Cheers!

I think maybe a separate thread might be better. We could do it scene by scene and get everyone's different interpretations of the same scene before moving onto the next one.

Oh, damn, here I am thinking about it and maybe we could do the whole movie. Or...ahhr, I'm too excited already.  :-\ Hmm, well what are your thoughts on this? Should we do the main scenes or maybe the whole movie, and slice it into sections or 'acts'?

Both could be done and well, too, but time might not be on our side.

Hey, there might never have been enough time for J & E, but we got all the time in the world. I think we gotta do it right and do "our boys" proud.

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« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2008, 11:24:15 am »
The kissing scene at the bottom of the stairs (my fave ;) is almost just as hot in the book:

"A hot jolt scalded Ennis and he was out on the landing pulling the door closed behind him.  Jack took the stairs two and two.  They seized each other by the shoulders, hugged mightily, squeezing the breath out of each other, saying, son of a bitch, son of a bitch, then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together, and hard..."

"From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking."

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« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2008, 06:13:02 pm »
Thanks Mandy!

May I quote you:
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"A hot jolt scalded Ennis and he was out on the landing pulling the door closed behind him.  Jack took the stairs two and two.  They seized each other by the shoulders, hugged mightily, squeezing the breath out of each other, saying, son of a bitch, son of a bitch, then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together, and hard..."

"From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking."

 

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I view that as fun!!

Do you?

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« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2008, 06:37:24 pm »
Would I have liked other scenes like that one???  Um, helllllllooooooo, yes.  Far as I'm concerned, they could have kissed for the entire 2 hours and 14 minutes, and I'd have been just as happy.

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« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2008, 07:05:02 pm »
Thanks Mandy!

Wow, I agree with you! That would be fun! Ever anyone made such a film mostly kissing in it like you say?

Yes, Ennis and Jack kissing scene is fun!!

Do you gind the OTHER one too fun?

Or other scenes?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2008, 08:12:21 pm »
Would I have liked other scenes like that one???  Um, helllllllooooooo, yes.  Far as I'm concerned, they could have kissed for the entire 2 hours and 14 minutes, and I'd have been just as happy.

You?


 ;D I'm in that boat.

Just the I-smash-you-to-the-wall-and-you-smash-me-back was...romantic  ;)

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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2008, 10:30:47 pm »
Would I have liked other scenes like that one???  Um, helllllllooooooo, yes.  Far as I'm concerned, they could have kissed for the entire 2 hours and 14 minutes, and I'd have been just as happy.

You?


me too!!!! but with some of the tender scenes like motel thrown in as well.It gets me every time I see Ennis ub Jacks arm in the motel,so loving.

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« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2008, 10:23:21 am »
to me these scenes of intimacy and emotion were not so much "fun" in the sense of light hearted, humorous, casual or inherently common/quirky. Rather, they are hugely pivotal and emotional to me. but that's me! LOL

Another mini scene of "fun" to me was when Ennis started running after the supplies following the encounter with the bear. Ennis looked like a crippled old man running! I thought 'that boy needs to work out more and get in better shape!'. Very fun, especially after the bear thing which I was very nervous was going to do harm to Ennis.

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« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2008, 11:49:46 am »
Thanks HerrKaiser!

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Another mini scene of "fun" to me was when Ennis started running after the supplies following the encounter with the bear. Ennis looked like a crippled old man running! I thought 'that boy needs to work out more and get in better shape!'. Very fun, especially after the bear thing which I was very nervous was going to do harm to Ennis.
 
 
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Yes, that is interesting!

And as you note, Ennis moves like an old man !! I wondered why?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2008, 02:42:55 pm »
"Ennis looked like a crippled old man running"

"Ennis moves like an old man"

Hmmm...

Either of you men ever fallen off a horse???

Or been confronted by a hungry bear???


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« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2008, 04:00:58 pm »
I'm thinking the opinions/notations about the topic has nothing to do with making  "judgments" they way you refer. And even if they were, no need to remain silent just because we may not have fallen off a horse. It that were true, my good woman, your inputs about two men in love would have to stay in your pockets.  ;)

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« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2008, 04:21:38 pm »
Sorry for any offense, HerrKaiser.  And thanks for calling me "my good woman", that was nice, are you British?  All I was trying to say is that I myself have fallen off a horse, and it's a long fall down.  Like rearview mirrors, horses are much bigger than they appear.  They're quite tall, and you can literally count the seconds as you're going down, trying to determine how best to fall so that you don't break your neck and die.  My ex-husband once ran into a laundry line on a horse, went flying off the back of him, broke his collar bone, was on hardcore pain medication for two months.  My point was simply that any one who falls off a horse is lucky just to be walking at all, let alone running away from a bear, as Ennis so valiantly attempted to do in order to save both the food and the animals.  Again, sorry if any offense.
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« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2008, 04:45:59 pm »
no offense taken (only minor  :) ) and no apology necessary. but thank you.

I do understand the point you are making in the literal sense, but I did find Ennis' scamper to be a bit whimsical in appearance for a 19 year old young man, especially as the scene went from danger to quickly being light and funny with all the supplies strewn around and the mules beyond his control. Hence, the post regarding "fun" parts of the film.

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another fun tidbit for me was Ennis' line "...only if I don't have to sing" when his little girls asked him if he'd be home in time for the church social. That was so rock bottom common and typical of a Dad jesting with his kids about such things. Loved his warmth and levity while knowing his mind was elsewhere.

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« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2008, 05:37:31 pm »
;D I'm in that boat.

Just the I-smash-you-to-the-wall-and-you-smash-me-back was...romantic  ;)

Hell yeah! With you on that one friend!

I reckon there's just about only Jake and Heath that could pull that scene off and make it both intense and romantic.

me too!!!! but with some of the tender scenes like motel thrown in as well.It gets me every time I see Ennis ub Jacks arm in the motel,so loving.

Agreed. The film (and the story) IMHO was too short on both the fun and tender moments, though I guess as we've found there are a fair few fun bits in there, but very subtly done.

I know the Ennis staggering around trying to pick up the food and chase the horses wasn't supposed to be funny, but there was something vaguelly comic about it, though it was sweet in a way as well, the way he was trying to collect everything up so that Jack would have more than beans to eat for the following week. As usual, caring for Jack in the way only he could.


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2008, 07:19:29 pm »
Thanks BlissC!

Since you say:
I know the Ennis staggering around trying to pick up the food and chase the horses wasn't supposed to be funny...

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Do you think that Jack  having troubles with his horse is...funny?

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« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2008, 08:10:26 pm »
I love that bit near the beginning when Ennis is warning him she has a low startle point and Jack's struggling to get her to do what he wants. The look that Ennis gives and smiles is just so funny! Yeah, I think that's a fun scene too.


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« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2008, 08:26:48 pm »
Thanks bliss!

Wwow, you say:
 Ennis is warning him  (Jack) she (Jack's horse) has a low startle point and Jack's struggling to get her to do what he wants. The look that Ennis gives and smiles is just so funny! Yeah, I think that's a fun scene too.
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May I agree with you!

And add something similar:
 Ennis is warning him (Jack)... that like Jack's horse (she has a low startle point), ... that he had also a low starting point to start LIKING JACK AS A FRIEND/BUDDY/LOVER/PAL... and Jack's struggling to get her to do what he wants. (... will also struggle with him ((Ennis))  to get him into a LOVE AND/OR SEX RELATIONSHIP - could that be like a forecast??

Is that fun too to think that?

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« Reply #70 on: March 18, 2008, 08:46:13 pm »
Hmmmm....I'm not sure if it's a forecast as such, but I guess it could be taken as a metaphor for Ennis and Jack's relationship. Interesting observation.


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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2008, 12:54:22 pm »
Thanks Bliss!

May I ask you to detail or give example(s) as you say:
 it could be taken as a metaphor for Ennis and Jack's relationship. Interesting observation.
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Bliss:
Fun somehow in that too?

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« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2008, 06:41:35 pm »
Are beans in the BM movie fun somehow for you?

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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2008, 08:38:47 pm »
Ennis is warning him  (Jack) she (Jack's horse) has a low startle point and Jack's struggling to get her to do what he wants. The look that Ennis gives and smiles is just so funny! Yeah, I think that's a fun scene too.
.............

And add something similar:
 Ennis is warning him (Jack)... that like Jack's horse (she has a low startle point), ... that he had also a low starting point to start LIKING JACK AS A FRIEND/BUDDY/LOVER/PAL... and Jack's struggling to get her to do what he wants. (... will also struggle with him ((Ennis))  to get him into a LOVE AND/OR SEX RELATIONSHIP - could that be like a forecast??

May I ask you to detail or give example(s) as you say:
 it could be taken as a metaphor for Ennis and Jack's relationship. Interesting observation.

Well from the start, right from when they arrive in Aguirre's yard Jack's behaviour is bordering on flirting with Ennis, in the way he keeps looking at him, and various scenes up on Brokeback where Jack looks at him in a certain way, holding the look for maybe just a fraction too long, and Ennis obviously picks up on that. Jack's quite clearly taking control when it comes to their relationship, and with FNIT, again it's Jack who makes the first move. The "low startle point"'s quite interesting too, because in their conversations it's very easy for Ennis to tense up, and clam up if the subject strays into something he doesn't want to talk about or something he's not comfortable with. It'd be interesting to know if AP intended that scene to be a kind of metaphor for their relationship, or whether it was simply Ennis already showing his protectiveness towards Jack.



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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2008, 09:45:04 pm »
Thanks Bliss!

Your comment:
Well from the start, right from when they arrive in Aguirre's yard Jack's behaviour is bordering on flirting with Ennis, in the way he keeps looking at him, and various scenes up on Brokeback where Jack looks at him in a certain way, holding the look for maybe just a fraction too long, and Ennis obviously picks up on that. 
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is so well said!

I am so happy that you say that! I thought that I was tne oNLY one seeing that!

And I find that, those looks by Jack fun!!

Do you?

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« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2008, 07:09:49 pm »
Much fun!  ;D

As we've said before recently, the fact that for the first five minutes of the film at least not a word is spoken, but they convey so much just in the glances they exchange says so much - so much about Heath and Jake's skills as actors, as well as the relationship between Ennis and Jack. The shots where Jack's checking out Ennis in the rear view mirror while he's shaving are just so funny, and it continues from the jump-off where Ennis warns Jack about the horse having a low startle point - Ennis casts a few looks in Jack's direction when he thinks Jack isn't looking, and before Jack eventually manages to get the horse under control and set off, he turns and glances at Ennis again. This one I think is the shot where he turns back to look at Ennis, and there's another one, one morning when he's setting off back to the sheep where he does a similar thing. This one though is the one after it, and Ennis is definitely checking him out!

Probably the funniest though is when Ennis strips off and starts washing, and Jack's by the fire peeling potatoes trying not to look. You can tell he soooo wants to look, and he's kind of looking our of the corner of his eye while he's supposed to be concentrating on the potato!

Yeah, I guess Jack's looks and his flirting is kinda fun. There's just something in those looks that's sort of teasing Ennis, and trying to get some sort of response out of Ennis. I guess it works too, because I was thinking yesterday about FNIT and about how when Jack grabs his hand and he pulls away. I can't remember what he says, but it really doesn't take him very long at all to get over that initial shock and decide to take things further.  I don't think he'd have reacted that way if he hadn't already been aware of Jack's flirting and been thinking about the implications of that, even if on a sub-conscious level, although I suspect that he'd possibly consciously been aware of it.


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« Reply #76 on: March 21, 2008, 07:24:25 pm »
Rhanks dellaluvia!

You say:
What's fun for me are their early scenes together.

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Yes, they are pleasurable! 

Did you mention beans too or anyone did as FUN in some ways??

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« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2008, 07:28:15 pm »
Thanks bliss!

You say:
Yeah, I guess Jack's looks and his flirting is kinda fun
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Yes, Jack's looking at Ennis is fun, since we know that he is flirting with Ennis!!

Does Jack find that his flirting fun ?? Do you think?

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« Reply #78 on: March 21, 2008, 07:38:25 pm »
Like you said FUN...

Probably the funniest though is when Ennis strips off and starts washing, and Jack's by the fire peeling potatoes trying not to look. You can tell he soooo wants to look, and he's kind of looking our of the corner of his eye while he's supposed to be concentrating on the potato!

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I enjoy your description!! Very much!! Hopefully, there will be MORE such scenes in BM  II ??

Would you like that?

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« Reply #79 on: March 23, 2008, 07:16:21 pm »
Did anyone mention booze ??

Is that suppose to be fun ??

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2008, 09:14:06 pm »
Did anyone mention booze ??

Is that suppose to be fun ??

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I think the whisky is actually quite important.Initially Ennis drinks from his cup,but as the 2 become closer they just swig from the bottle,passing it from one to another.Ennis I think drinks from a cup the night of the bear incident.The next time we see them drinking they are bonding more and sharing the bottle.
I also think the whisky literally loosens Ennis up a bit,he becomes more talkative,smiles, and of course eventually becomes so drunk,that we have the wonderful TS1.
Whisky continues to form a part of their fishing trips.
I sometimes wonder, after the initial uncontrolable passion of the reunion kiss,where the physical takes over completely,whetherEnnis maybe needs a couple of drinks to loosen up and cope with the permanant guilt he feels.
He treads a thin line always between what he feels, and what he allows himself to feel.It could be that the whisky,and in a later scene,the joint,relax him sufficiently.to allow himself to "feel".
I am sure lots of us have used booze to relax us for many reasons.

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« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2008, 09:20:00 pm »
So with the audience, it is NOT seen as funny parts... is booze??

But Ennis and Jack sees it as fun??

Hugs! When I see booze, I am always figuring: not funny,  since I have seen too many of my friends died now from it!! I guess I rarely see boozing as fun!! ??

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« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2008, 09:40:44 pm »
So with the audience, it is NOT seen as funny parts... is booze??

But Ennis and Jack sees it as fun??

Hugs! When I see booze, I am always figuring: not funny,  since I have seen too many of my friends died now from it!! I guess I rarely see boozing as fun!! ??

I can agree with that. Lureen says of Jack "he drank a lot" I think for Jack and Ennis whisky was a coping mechanism.With Ennis it loosened him up.freeing him somewhat.With Jack I think it was more drink to ease the pain.
Within the context of the film,I do feel there are some light hearted alcohol moments,such as Ennis stumbling over the pans.But on the whole I think the alcohol reveals deeper sadness than joy.As is often the case.It fills a an aching gap for both men that,Ennis will not allow himself to occupy.

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« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2008, 10:05:40 pm »
Thanks optom!

You say:
I can agree with that. Lureen says of Jack "he drank a lot" I think for Jack and Ennis whisky was a coping mechanism.With Ennis it loosened him up.freeing him somewhat.With Jack I think it was more drink to ease the pain.
Within the context of the film,I do feel there are some light hearted alcohol moments,such as Ennis stumbling over the pans.But on the whole I think the alcohol reveals deeper sadness than joy.As is often the case.It fills a an aching gap for both men that,Ennis will not allow himself to occupy.
 
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Fiona (optom) may I agree.

To me since I am an artist-painter, what images comes to mind are these:
clowns -
a- they clown around with booze, giving a smile, but deep inside each is sad, unfortunately, most times!!
And they get to be more sad EVEN TOGETHER since booze makes one that way!! Booze gets you into deeper depression, but people think otherwise - a duality comes in the picture!! ??

b- also, Jack likes to be a special clown (and knows that as a tool as many alcoholics do) : a jester or a buffon (in French)?? Since, he is accustomed to booze (even before seing Ennis for the first time, maybe?) As a jester, he can entertain Ennis; Jack falls, trips, amuzes Ennis!! As to become a boon companion to Ennis!! Un bon vivant!! Full of life!! It shows too Jack's bounteous nature: generous, caring, amuzing, etc., to hide his sadness!! ??

So the clown role of Jack is funny?


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« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2008, 10:56:34 pm »
Thanks optom!

You say:
I can agree with that. Lureen says of Jack "he drank a lot" I think for Jack and Ennis whisky was a coping mechanism.With Ennis it loosened him up.freeing him somewhat.With Jack I think it was more drink to ease the pain.
Within the context of the film,I do feel there are some light hearted alcohol moments,such as Ennis stumbling over the pans.But on the whole I think the alcohol reveals deeper sadness than joy.As is often the case.It fills a an aching gap for both men that,Ennis will not allow himself to occupy.
 
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Fiona (optom) may I agree.

To me since I am an artist-painter, what images comes to mind are these:
clowns -
a- they clown around with booze, giving a smile, but deep inside each is sad, unfortunately, most times!!
And they get to be more sad EVEN TOGETHER since booze makes one that way!! Booze gets you into deeper depression, but people think otherwise - a duality comes in the picture!! ??

b- also, Jack likes to be a special clown (and knows that as a tool as many alcoholics do) : a jester or a buffon (in French)?? Since, he is accustomed to booze (even before seing Ennis for the first time, maybe?) As a jester, he can entertain Ennis; Jack falls, trips, amuzes Ennis!! As to become a boon companion to Ennis!! Un bon vivant!! Full of life!! It shows too Jack's bounteous nature: generous, caring, amuzing, etc., to hide his sadness!! ??

So the clown role of Jack is funny?


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I agree,the classic image of the clown or buffoon,with his painted on smile hiding a sad heart.It is not a coincidence that so many kids are scared of clowns.Mine certainly used to be.There is something achingly sad almost ghoulish about them.Kids see things as they are and so are frightened.On the surface Jack clowning around is light hearted but I think hides a deeper sadness.Superficially it is funny,scratch deeper and it is truly deeply sad.
And yes just as the drinker use alcohol to mask his feelings so we have the anology with the clown and his mask.In the film all combine,the clown,alcohol and the ache.Jack initally uses his clown act to mask his true feelings for Ennis,which he has already acknowledged to himself.It is also an opportunity to introduce some levity to the situation,and try to break down some of Ennis's barriers.
Laughter is the best medicine,and it could be argued that Ennis is sick.Plagued by guilt for what he is starting to feel.So Jack tries to make him laugh.Also many people use alcohol as "medicine"
So many analogies.Clowns,masks,laughter,alcohol,medicine,all are intertwined so very subtely and so cleverly by Proulx.

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« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2008, 08:43:55 am »
On the surface Jack clowning around is light hearted but I think hides a deeper sadness.Superficially it is funny,scratch deeper and it is truly deeply sad.
And yes just as the drinker use alcohol to mask his feelings so we have the anology with the clown and his mask.In the film all combine,the clown,alcohol and the ache.Jack initally uses his clown act to mask his true feelings for Ennis,which he has already acknowledged to himself.It is also an opportunity to introduce some levity to the situation,and try to break down some of Ennis's barriers.

A very valid point. I've always looked on Jack as the more optimistic of the two of them (sweet life, and bluebirds and whiskey streams and all that), but I think his laughter and his humour maybe do mask a deeper sadness. Thinking of him life that he reminds me of an ex of mine - always the life and soul of parties, always playing the clown, and cheering other people up, but that was all an act. I was one of the very few people whoever saw beneath that mask, and even when it was just the two of us, so often that mask was firmly fixed in place.

Wasn't Periot, the sad French clown the "original" clown?

Speaking of clowns, it's also reminded me of the scene where Jack makes a pass at the rodeo clown. Jack's whole expression and his demenour in that scene is subdued, and sad somehow, and of the two of them I guess it's Jack who's the real clown.

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Laughter is the best medicine,and it could be argued that Ennis is sick.Plagued by guilt for what he is starting to feel.So Jack tries to make him laugh.Also many people use alcohol as "medicine"
So many analogies.Clowns,masks,laughter,alcohol,medicine,all are intertwined so very subtely and so cleverly by Proulx.

Again, I totally agree. Jack is very perceptive in reading Ennis's moods up on the mountain, and he always seems to know the right words and the right actions to make Ennis smile. He does "act the clown" a lot - when he does his rodeo cowboy impression and Ennis that sets Ennis off laughing so hard that the screenplay describes it that they "both laugh so hard, they almost cry", when he does his "Oooooeee!" when Ennis shoots the deer...Jack's always there with his one-liners giving Ennis the punch line and a chance for them to laugh and break the tension.

Again, alcohol often is a form of medicine. I know recently when I got some bad news about my health situation, the first thing I did that night when I got home was crack open a bottle of vodka and pour myself a damned big vodka and tonic. With one of the drugs I'm on in particular I shouldn't really   drink alcohol, but needed to chill out, and it did the trick. In the same way Jack and Ennis need the whiskey to break the tension between them. I think probably in the story, on the mountain alcohol was probably more of a "medicinal" prop in that it allowed them both to relax more, and although I think there was sadness in both of them, I think it was probably only later on when alcohol became more than just something to help them chill out. Lureen's "he drank a lot" suggest that for Jack at least, his coping mechanism was more than just an occasional prop in later years, and the fact that she mentioned it to Ennis suggests that it was something fairly significant in his life. With Ennis though we don't see him drinking a lot through the years. His sadness eats at him in different ways.

Damn! How did a thread about fun things get so depressing?  :-\


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« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2008, 10:41:59 am »
Thanks bliss, thanks optom!!

Wow!  Much news that you two bring with your recent posts, again!! Thanks!!

Bliss, you ask:
Damn! How did a thread about fun things get so depressing?

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Bliss, you bring up a good question! Do you suppose that sadness is the other side of the blade of happiness?? I do not know how to phrase it otherwise... right now!
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At the beginning of the movie, which one is more sad? Ennis or Jack?

At the beginning of the movie, which one is more happy? Ennis or Jack?

Is that hard to say?

At least, it is fun to see Jack cruising... right away Ennis?

And is Ennis having fun being cruised?

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« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2008, 10:43:20 am »
Are beans fun?

Can they be considered fun in the BM movie?

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« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2008, 10:45:40 am »
Fiona and Bliss, you've made some brilliant observations / analogies, especially with the clowns and masks, I love that one.  Never occurred to me before, but it's dead on.  I think they both wear masks, but that Jack feels freer to take his off a bit more than Ennis does.  Alcohol as a way to relax, and later, for Jack, as a way to numb.  Also loved the comment above about the switch between Ennis accepting the whiskey in a cup (love the way he says, "ank you"), vs. later sharing from the same bottle, and sharing the same joint on their final night.  Definitely a step of intimacy and trust in a person, wanting to get closer to them somehow.

All very great thoughts for a Monday morning, ladies, thanks!  ;D
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« Reply #89 on: March 24, 2008, 10:46:18 am »
Laughter is the best medicine!  

Optom, wow, you bring up a great fun time in the BM movie!

Remember?

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« Reply #90 on: March 24, 2008, 10:49:36 am »
Thanks Mandy!

Since you say:
as a way to numb  ...

Mandy, can laughter be also a way to numb?

I hope it's always for happiness!! ?? At least for the beans...

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« Reply #91 on: March 24, 2008, 11:05:06 am »
Yes, Artiste, I think laughter can also be a way to numb.  And it's a heck of a lot faster, cheaper, and doesn't kill your liver.  ;)
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« Reply #92 on: March 24, 2008, 11:21:21 am »
Mandy, and laughter is also a way to be happy??

There is a French-canadienne out west like in the prairies who had started a laughter club, did you hear?

And now it's in many countries!

Maybe that would have been good for Ennis and Jack, and...

what do yoiu think?

At least, Jack tried laughter!

Did Ennis for fun too?

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« Reply #93 on: March 24, 2008, 12:05:24 pm »
Bliss, you bring up a good question! Do you suppose that sadness is the other side of the blade of happiness?? I do not know how to phrase it otherwise... right now!
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At the beginning of the movie, which one is more sad? Ennis or Jack?

At the beginning of the movie, which one is more happy? Ennis or Jack?

Is that hard to say?

At least, it is fun to see Jack cruising... right away Ennis?

And is Ennis having fun being cruised?

I guess sadness is the other side of the blade of happiness. They do say that without the bad times we wouldn't appreciate the good. I guess that's true for all of us. Some of us though tend to find that we get more than our fair share of sadness - that was certainly the case for Ennis and Jack. There's a kind of bitter-sweet feeling to their romance though. They were apart so much of the time over the years, yet the times they had were all the more precious because of it. At the end, Ennis is left with great sadness, but also lots of memories of the good times and the special bond they shared - again, a double-edged sword.

Hmmm...the beginning of the movie. Neither of them strike me as particularly happy or sad. Annie says, "...both high school dropout country boys with no prospects, brought up to hard work and privation, both rough-mannered, rough-spoken, inured to the stoic life." I guess if anything there was a slight sense of sadness about them both, but neither I think had any expections. They were both looking for work and just happened to come together at Aguirre's. Ennis was expecting to marry Alma - I guess it was the expected thing for him to do. It's difficult to guess at what his feelings for Alma were, because at that stage in both the SS and the film we're given no clues. His brother and sister though had both married, and I guess that's what he was expected to do. In that society, early in the '60's, that would be what was expected of him.

Jack's a different matter though, and I think clearly right from the start he's looking for something. He comes from the desolation of Lightning Flat, and I think he's desperate to escape from that life. When they were in the bar in the afternoon after they met at Aguirre's office, Annie says, "he was crazy to be somewhere, anywhere else than Lightning Flat." I think that comes across clearly right from the start, and he's clearly attracted to Ennis.

That first exchange of glances though when they're outside waiting for Aguirre to show up though is fun, Jack's subtle glances. I'm not sure whether Ennis has picked up on it at that stage though. I don't think he has.


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« Reply #94 on: March 24, 2008, 12:33:03 pm »
Thanks Bliss!

You say:
Hmmm...the beginning of the movie. Neither of them strike me as particularly happy or sad.
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Bliss:
At the beginning of the movie, so you think that both are stoic then and there as Annie portraits them?
Ennis is stoic, and Jack too?? But that changes quickly?? Is there fun starting to that change that stoic coldness?
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You say:
That first exchange of glances though when they're outside waiting for Aguirre to show up though is fun, Jack's subtle glances. I'm not sure whether Ennis has picked up on it at that stage though. I don't think he has. 
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Bliss, may I say that Ennis does re-act to Jack's intense FIRST look at him!! Right??
And Ennis moves his head down... but feels that Jack is STILLL glancing at him??
And so, Ennis looks shy way to Jack and is starting to change... like this is now becoming FUN to him??

Isn't there some INNER fun by BOTH??

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« Reply #95 on: March 24, 2008, 03:38:53 pm »
Bliss, may I say that Ennis does re-act to Jack's intense FIRST look at him!! Right??
And Ennis moves his head down... but feels that Jack is STILLL glancing at him??
And so, Ennis looks shy way to Jack and is starting to change... like this is now becoming FUN to him??

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that bit where Ennis puts his head down. I guess he has noticed. You may be right, I think there is something subtle changing in how they react to each other.

Another thing I've just noticed is when they're walking down the street in Signal to go to the bar - Jack's the one in front. Already he's leading the way. The screenplay's quite specific about that.


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« Reply #96 on: March 24, 2008, 04:00:24 pm »
Laughter is the best medicine!  

Optom, wow, you bring up a great fun time in the BM movie!

Remember?

Au revoir,
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I remember!!!! it is ingrained on my brain for ever, when they jump naked off the cliff into the lake.The single most uninhibited moment of pure childish joy,in the whole film.Just wish I had got to see more in close up!!!! and for longer.
It happens before dreams die and hope is lost.Ennis is still caught up in the joy of the reunion, and the guilt has yet to kick in a major way.For Jack there is the posibility ahead of a few days in which to convince Ennis of the "sweet dream"

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« Reply #97 on: March 24, 2008, 04:34:38 pm »
Thanks optom!

C'est si beau ce que tu dis!! (That is so beautiful what you say!!

You say:
Just wish I had got to see more in close up!!!!

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Fiona (optom), may I wish for that too!!

What is wrong with skinny dipping ?? !! Nothing, it's joie-de-vivre... joys of life as you say!!

Why is that in there? But so far, is the camera? Too far!! Why?

WE WANT THAT FUN, close-ups!!

Brilliant, oui, oui, est ton idea!! Brilliant, is your idea!!

So great that you suggest that jumping off-cliff dip.... as pure fun for the two actors, as well as us viewers!!

But Jake G. did not do that??

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« Reply #98 on: March 24, 2008, 04:45:53 pm »
It happens before dreams die and hope is lost.Ennis is still caught up in the joy of the reunion, and the guilt has yet to kick in a major way.For Jack there is the posibility ahead of a few days in which to convince Ennis of the "sweet dream"

That line's just so perfect! I think I've just found the title for my little story "Before Dreams Die" - if you don't mind me borrowing it, that is.  ;)


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« Reply #99 on: March 24, 2008, 04:49:38 pm »
I agree with Bliss, may I say Optom!

Maybe that could be too a title for a movie, like BM is?

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« Reply #100 on: March 24, 2008, 05:07:06 pm »
That line's just so perfect! I think I've just found the title for my little story "Before Dreams Die" - if you don't mind me borrowing it, that is.  ;)

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« Reply #101 on: March 24, 2008, 05:14:52 pm »
Thanks optom!

C'est si beau ce que tu dis!! (That is so beautiful what you say!!

You say:
Just wish I had got to see more in close up!!!!

....

Fiona (optom), may I wish for that too!!

What is wrong with skinny dipping ?? !! Nothing, it's joie-de-vivre... joys of life as you say!!

Why is that in there? But so far, is the camera? Too far!! Why?

WE WANT THAT FUN, close-ups!!

Brilliant, oui, oui, est ton idea!! Brilliant, is your idea!!

So great that you suggest that jumping off-cliff dip.... as pure fun for the two actors, as well as us viewers!!

But Jake G. did not do that??

Hugs!!

No Jake used a body double,no idea why.Personally if I was male and had a physique like his,I would take every opportunity to show it off.In fact I would be down in the south of France at one of the many nudist beaches,tanning every square inch.Obviously with factor 50 sunscreen though,to protect the vitals from sunburn.
Fun for the viewers,well certainly for me, for the actors,I guess it depended how cold that water was,and how hot the sun.Maybe that is why Jake used a double and we had no close ups,doesn't cold water cause shrinkage of the male organs.

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« Reply #102 on: March 24, 2008, 06:30:11 pm »
Thanks optom!

That last sentence of yours... sure makes me laugh... and laugh, that I am chocking with joy!!

I will not dare answer you on that one!! Maybe another male or gay will??

Maybe your question is a sense of humour of the BM movie... in disguise, oui, oui, as disguised??

FUN from the director?? Or from whom??

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« Reply #103 on: March 24, 2008, 07:56:44 pm »
Thanks optom!

That last sentence of yours... sure makes me laugh... and laugh, that I am chocking with joy!!

I will not dare answer you on that one!! Maybe another male or gay will??

Maybe your question is a sense of humour of the BM movie... in disguise, oui, oui, as disguised??

FUN from the director?? Or from whom??

Hugs! P.S. That reminds me about some stories about my past lover!!

Now you have got me interested,the cold water,sunburn(ouch) or other?
It's alright you don't need to tell.I am sure my imagination can conjure up some interesting scenarios.In fact I think I will have that as my bed time thought.
Might make a couple of character substitutions,say Ennis and Jack.
Goodness me bed time is becoming more attractive by the second.

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« Reply #104 on: March 24, 2008, 08:15:10 pm »
Merci optom!

You say:
Now you have got me interested,the cold water,sunburn(ouch) or other?
It's alright you don't need to tell.I am sure my imagination can conjure up some interesting scenarios.In fact I think I will have that as my bed time thought.
Might make a couple of character substitutions,say Ennis and Jack.
Goodness me bed time is becoming more attractive by the second.
 
 


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Fiona (optom), now you bring up an interesting question:
was bedtime  fun as to MORE or LESS for both Ennis and Jack in bed with each other.... as the years were PASSING ??

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« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2008, 08:25:17 pm »
Merci optom!

You say:
Now you have got me interested,the cold water,sunburn(ouch) or other?
It's alright you don't need to tell.I am sure my imagination can conjure up some interesting scenarios.In fact I think I will have that as my bed time thought.
Might make a couple of character substitutions,say Ennis and Jack.
Goodness me bed time is becoming more attractive by the second.
 
 


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Fiona (optom), now you bring up an interesting question:
was bedtime  fun as to MORE or LESS for both Ennis and Jack in bed with each other.... as the years were PASSING ??

Hugs!

Do you know,I would guess more fun.firstly they knew each other better,so would have known what each other "liked" but saw each other infrequently enough,to still have all the excitement, of the 1st couplings.The SS,at the final meeting talks of the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings.Sounds pretty exciting still to me.

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« Reply #106 on: March 24, 2008, 08:34:03 pm »
Thanks optom!

You say:
Do you know,I would guess more fun.firstly they knew each other better,so would have known what each other "liked" but saw each other infrequently enough,to still have all the excitement, of the 1st couplings.The SS,at the final meeting talks of the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings.Sounds pretty exciting still to me.
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Optom (Fiona), may I agree with you. My lover and I, we have better and better fun in bed and out, the more we knew each other, the numerous times, like Ennis and Jack time, come to think about that!!

I did not know that ss line!! Brilliant charge... wow, they make it sound as if Ennis and Jack were soldiers !! I want that fun again in the BM II, if one will make it!!

WE see Ennis and Jack having fun in bed, how many times??

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« Reply #107 on: March 24, 2008, 08:50:04 pm »
WE see Ennis and Jack having fun in bed, how many times??

Not enough.  ;)

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...and you can't tell us that and then nothing more!  :laugh:



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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #108 on: March 24, 2008, 08:53:48 pm »
Sweet dreams Bliss!

Blissful ones!

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Ennis and Jack will have fun with you either in them and/or tomorrow!! hugs! Take care!!

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« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2008, 08:56:05 pm »
and sweet dreams to you too Artiste.


Until tomorrow...


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« Reply #110 on: March 24, 2008, 09:16:21 pm »
Thanks optom!

You say:
Do you know,I would guess more fun.firstly they knew each other better,so would have known what each other "liked" but saw each other infrequently enough,to still have all the excitement, of the 1st couplings.The SS,at the final meeting talks of the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings.Sounds pretty exciting still to me.
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Optom (Fiona), may I agree with you. My lover and I, we have better and better fun in bed and out, the more we knew each other, the numerous times, like Ennis and Jack time, come to think about that!!

I did not know that ss line!! Brilliant charge... wow, they make it sound as if Ennis and Jack were soldiers !! I want that fun again in the BM II, if one will make it!!

WE see Ennis and Jack having fun in bed, how many times??

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We see the 2 in bed or tents, 3 times only,way too little,TS1,TS2 and the motel.And to be honest the motel is more apres, TS2 is pre,so strictly speaking that leaves us with TS1.Way way to little!!!  I guess they thought the public was not ready for more.As for me they could have filled the whole film and I  still would have wanted more.

Now your analogy of soldiers charging makes me think of weapons,what do you make of that Artiste? I can see a whole new topic there.Soldiers charging with their weapons.I had always taken it to mean a charge, as in electrical current.Still exciting,a surge of power almost like a shot or a jolt. But your interpretation,certainly adds a whole new, and I might say interesting dimension.Time for some iced water I think!!!

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« Reply #111 on: March 25, 2008, 12:08:22 pm »
Thanks optom!

Tu dis:
As for me they could have filled the whole film and I  still would have wanted more.


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Fiona (optom), I assure you that you made me laugh again, merci/thanks, and may I agree with you that more sex scenes would have been great!!
But... like you say, maybe the producers feared placing more that 3 sex scenes!
On that:
Did I mention to you what my straight brother did about such one of the sex scenes??

............

Concerning you question:
Now your analogy of soldiers charging makes me think of weapons,what do you make of that Artiste?

Fiona, to that, I do not think that I had thought of this: that like some soldiers as in the serie Rome on TV lately, Ennis and Jack in the BM movie... used their penis as weapons like some Romans did - one leader made his whole group of soldiers stop while he was backdooring a female he just seen on the road - so that was like a weapon !! Some eat a penis, some romans were eating too testicals, they showed!! This makes me dizzy, and pray that I keep my jewels safe from such terror!!


But, remembering just now that is what happened to one of the two tough of gay birds men, his sex was taken away, unfortunately!! So even to-day, barberous things happen in islamic as well as in our so-called democratic countries!! Unfortunately!

Sorry for the sad notes!! That murder of a gay man and maybe of Jack too by murderers, are not fun scenes for me; maybe to some crasy person(s) they are??

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At least, sex scenes in the BM movie are fun ??? All or one of them??

Or any other scene or objects used??

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #112 on: March 25, 2008, 01:38:04 pm »
Speaking about penis...I've always found fun-and tender-the way Ennis enters in the tent on their second night together; with his hat covering his (how do you say this? crotchal?) zone,as if he feels embarrassed of discovering his own excitement.I find it deliciously naive... :-*
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« Reply #113 on: March 25, 2008, 02:18:32 pm »
Thanks myprivatejack!

I guess that scene with Ennis with his hat on his crotch, entering the tent, is maybe funny ?? !!
I sure smile at that!!

Myprivatejack, you made me laugh and you have my thanks! You made my day happier!!

Have you seen some of Everybody Loves Raymond ? There is one of his shows where he places something in the microvwave, and he covers his crotch while the microvave is running; so does his brother, and when the father comes in, so does he!!! That is so funny!!

So maybe that scene with Ennis covering his crotch is supposed to be fun?? Maybe we are NOT suppose to see him with ONE ON?? Dare I ask!!  Do you or anyone know?

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« Reply #114 on: March 25, 2008, 02:46:56 pm »
Thanks myprivatejack!

I guess that scene with Ennis with his hat on his crotch, entering the tent, is maybe funny ?? !!
I sure smile at that!!

Myprivatejack, you made me laugh and you have my thanks! You made my day happier!!

Have you seen some of Everybody Loves Raymond ? There is one of his shows where he places something in the microvwave, and he covers his crotch while the microvave is running; so does his brother, and when the father comes in, so does he!!! That is so funny!!

So maybe that scene with Ennis covering his crotch is supposed to be fun?? Maybe we are NOT suppose to see him with ONE ON?? Dare I ask!!  Do you or anyone know?

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Well,I really hope nothing happenned to this family if the microwave runs too fast... ;)  Speaking about Ennis hat,I don't know if it's fun,or at least as we can understand this word...For me is tender and makes me smile,not laugh as crazy ;D It says how shy and unwilling at first of showing his deepest and innest feelings and reactions and he results naive for me...I'm glad I've made your day happier¡; it's good to make people happy,when everybody tries to make it saaaaaaad¡.  :(
With respect to your question:So maybe that scene with Ennis covering his crotch is supposed to be fun?? Maybe we are NOT suppose to see him with ONE ON?? Dare I ask!!  Do you or anyone know?
 
Are you talking about seeing Ennis with...a hat...or with a crotch?I wonder... ???  See you¡.
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« Reply #115 on: March 25, 2008, 02:59:00 pm »
Merci, myprivatejack!

You just made me smile... like fun!

And then at the end... did you ever have fun making me laugh so heartily!!
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I guess Heath had to show his hat on his crotch so not to laugh at entering? Or so Jake G. would not laugh?

I wonder if that fun placing the hat their on his crotch was Heath's idea??

Do you know or anyone does??

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« Reply #116 on: March 25, 2008, 03:51:58 pm »
Merci, myprivatejack!

You just made me smile... like fun!

And then at the end... did you ever have fun making me laugh so heartily!!
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I guess Heath had to show his hat on his crotch so not to laugh at entering? Or so Jake G. would not laugh?

I wonder if that fun placing the hat their on his crotch was Heath's idea??

Do you know or anyone does??

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OMG¡ I don't know,I don't know if Heath put his hat for not laughing at entering¡ Why should he do this?... Well,maybe Jake would laugh in this moment; it depends on what he saw then... ;) and where...
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« Reply #117 on: March 25, 2008, 04:10:08 pm »
Thanks myprivatejack!

Interesting, it is!


They must have had fun!

How many times did they do this scene?

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« Reply #118 on: March 25, 2008, 05:25:33 pm »
Thanks myprivatejack!

Interesting, it is!


They must have had fun!

How many times did they do this scene?

Hugs!

I don´t know in this concrete scene.But it´s said that the FNIT scene was repeated 13 times¡.Well,the truth is that they finished by being a little kissed and touched... :laugh:
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« Reply #119 on: March 25, 2008, 07:10:18 pm »
Thanks myprivatejack!

13 takes!!

And what came before one was chosen, any were/was sex ACTION?

Was one or some: too obviously sexy as in the FIRST SEX scene?

And what came after?

I wonder which of the 13 ones, the director or so did use??

Was it for fun that Ennis used his hat on his crotch... and was that in all the 13 takes??

You or anyone knows?

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« Reply #120 on: March 25, 2008, 09:34:35 pm »
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13 takes!!

And what came before one was chosen, any were/was sex ACTION?

Was one or some: too obviously sexy as in the FIRST SEX scene?

And what came after?

I wonder which of the 13 ones, the director or so did use??

Was it for fun that Ennis used his hat on his crotch... and was that in all the 13 takes??

I'd love to know that. I noticed the "hat over the crotch" thing tonight when I was watching a clip of the film and wondered the same thing (if that was intentional and whose idea it was)

I guess from a director's/technical point of view it would be a difficult scene to shoot, getting the feel of the scene right and choreographing it right for it to be acceptable to the film classification boards. Interesting, as you say Artiste though to know why 13 takes, and which of those they used in the end. It would be so funny if after 13 takes Ang said, "Right, well actually we've decided we like the first take best after all!"  :D  :laugh:

Nothing at all to do with FNIT, but I also remember reading somewhere that for the really sad scenes where she was crying Michelle/Alma, to make it more realistic for when she was upset, asked if Jake and Heath would kiss off camera, and they agreed to do it. Isn't it funny the strange bits of movie trivia you pick up while wandering around the web?  :laugh:


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« Reply #121 on: March 25, 2008, 10:27:11 pm »
Thanks Bliiss!

You say:
It would be so funny if after 13 takes Ang said, "Right, well actually we've decided we like the first take best after all!"
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Bliss: Yes, that would be fun!!

And, may I add,  would it be so funny if after 13 takes Ang said, "Right, well actually we've decided NOT to have your hat on your crotch after all Heath" And I wonder what would Heath do, especially since he had been touching Jake G. and vice versa been touched so well and often during the 13 previous takes? Dare I ask? And imagine Heath who would maybe have to go to the washroom first to straighten out something, before the 14th take?

Wouldn't most straight, bi or gay males, be concerned of his appearance on camera after being touched and touching so often? Dare I ask that for fun?

Is that why both Heath and Ennis laughed concerning their talks about that scene?

..........

And you say:
Nothing at all to do with FNIT, but I also remember reading somewhere that for the really sad scenes where she was crying Michelle/Alma, to make it more realistic for when she was upset, asked if Jake and Heath would kiss off camera, and they agreed to do it. Isn't it funny the strange bits of movie trivia you pick up while wandering around the web?   

Really Bliss? Boy, I hope the camera was on those times too... and I know you want to see that, if possible?? Would you find that fun??

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« Reply #122 on: March 26, 2008, 07:24:39 am »
Sorry,but I didn't explained myself well enough; the 13 takes scene was not the SNIT (or Second Night In Tent) but the first one...it's to say,the night of their first sexual experience.Maybe in this case fun was greater...Specially,yes,if Ang had choosen the third or fourth take after all... :laugh:  Speaking clearly,and as I'm not a man,but I guess difficult not TO MAKE IT REALLY IN THE END.For a simply question of frequent touches,I mean. ;D
And yes,Bliss,I've also read about Michelle's asking the boys to kiss; it was in the reunion scene,when she must feel painfully surprised for what she saw.In order to increase her feelings before camera-as she had already fallen in love with Heath-,she asked them to increase also their passion.During an scene that also,by the way,must be repeated some times more;you must heard it on Oprah interview,because Jake said it.And yes,both of them laughed a lot speaking about this.For shame or...? ::)
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« Reply #123 on: March 26, 2008, 02:53:13 pm »
Wasn't the Second Night in the Tent done also many times?

How many takes?

And any fun about it? More...

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« Reply #124 on: March 27, 2008, 01:38:09 pm »
Wasn't the Second Night in the Tent done also many times?

How many takes?

And any fun about it? More...

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I really don't know how many takes needed SNIT...What I know is that Heath said once that there were moments when he didn't know what to do; and that was good,because it reflected better the insecurities,fears and shyness of his character.I think he referred to this scene,but it's logical that he felt a little uneasy-mainly if Ang gave them freedom to do as they pleased,you know what I mean...-and this situation was the same than Ennis could felt before Love's discovering.I don't know if it's fun,but a little morbid,no?. :D
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« Reply #125 on: March 27, 2008, 06:37:22 pm »
Thanks myprivatejack!

Interesting!

I find that the second tent scene... fun !!

To me, it's fun because it's charming, since BOTH actors are  going slowly with thoughts of caressing and being carressed!!

Such pleasure us fun for me!!

Is that it?

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« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2008, 07:03:46 pm »
Is SEX fun in it?

Pour toi...

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« Reply #127 on: April 04, 2008, 09:17:05 pm »
Yes, is sex FUN in it?

For you?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #128 on: April 05, 2008, 12:09:08 am »
I found this link today and thought i'd share it with you. I'm sure you guys have probably already seen it so my apologies if you have.
http://www.buzzimage.com/en/work/making_of/33

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« Reply #129 on: April 05, 2008, 12:46:14 pm »
Wow! That's amazing stuff! Part of me though doesn't want to know how they did the CGI sheep and stuff because that reminds me it's not real. Crazy huh?  :laugh:


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« Reply #130 on: April 05, 2008, 01:53:44 pm »
Merci beaucoup   MsMercury!

I had seen it before, but lost it when computor went down!
So, now I am very, very happy to have it again, thanks to you!!

I create illusions, like a magician, you see when I create my paintings on canvas, so I tend to be happy when I see such work of compositions by other artists!!

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hugs!!  Any more such ways or clips ??  Note that this is SAME painting in these 2 images!! It's like a magic trick!! I figure that Ennis and Jack are walking and having fun being in such scenery !! You think so... too such fun could have been??

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« Reply #131 on: April 05, 2008, 01:54:45 pm »
Oops...

trying  again...

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« Reply #132 on: April 27, 2008, 08:13:45 am »
Is sheep fun in the BM movie?

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« Reply #133 on: April 27, 2008, 08:35:19 am »
I love it when Jack is pulling a sheep by it's back paws and he's screaming "F*CK AGUIRRE!", that's so funny. I like the "Texans don't drink coffee?" moment and when Ennis asks Monroe where Alma is and he answers "she's in the condiments aisle." and Ennis is like "what?" "Ketchup" "oh"

I like it whenever Jack is complaining and when Ennis trips over something but my favourite funny moment is when they're sitting by the river and they fight and Jack walks away. Ennis' little pot gets carried away by the water and he runs after it. For some reason that always cracks me up.
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« Reply #134 on: April 27, 2008, 08:42:31 am »
Merci Renee!!

Yes, you do detail fun events in that BM movie !! That are great moments, making them so real... so we can care about them and humanity!!

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« Reply #135 on: April 27, 2008, 01:36:27 pm »
Hi Artiste,

Yes, it's Renee without an accent if that's what you mean.
I'm from the Netherlands but I'm very proud to say that I understood you question in French as well ;D

I love the little funny moments in BBM. It may be a sad film but that doesn't mean that it can't be funny.
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« Reply #136 on: April 27, 2008, 02:19:21 pm »
Merci Renee!

Je suis d'accord avec toi!

I am in full agreement with you!

Thank goodness that the BM movie had some fun times too in it, for us all to think about humanity as worthwhile !!

Is that it ?

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« Reply #137 on: May 01, 2008, 03:31:42 pm »
I've thought of another funny moment (to me anyway). During the first tent scene Ennis says "what are you doing?" and the way he says that cracks me up.
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« Reply #138 on: May 01, 2008, 03:39:21 pm »
Merci Renee !

Yes, that Ennis phrase what are you doing... is fun for me too, as I see it as Ennis wants that fun too... and lets Jack make the first move , and then Ennis becomes agressive in his gesture since it's his turn to be so  sexual acting ??

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« Reply #139 on: May 08, 2008, 02:30:53 pm »
It just comes to my mind:

what about eying ?

Is that fun in the BM movie ?

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« Reply #140 on: June 15, 2008, 06:26:26 pm »
I guess that not many see some fun in the BM movie, since many disregard it considering it gay ! ?

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« Reply #141 on: June 19, 2008, 06:45:00 pm »
Fun in the Brokeback Mountain movie is underlined ?

Or is it just like a sub-plot ?

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« Reply #142 on: July 27, 2008, 08:55:21 pm »
Guest, if you want to post, you are welcome, but you have to become a member I am told !

Bienvenue, that's welcome !

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« Reply #143 on: October 19, 2008, 08:43:52 pm »
One thing that I liked as fun, in some ways, were the music !

Did you hear the same ?

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« Reply #144 on: October 19, 2008, 08:57:19 pm »
Is the sex scene with Lureen in the car undressing in a hurry for fun with Jack, fun for you?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #145 on: November 14, 2008, 10:50:35 am »
Yes, it's fun.

What I really enjoy is looking for all the little hidden things in the movie, the props and set dressing, and the little side comments that advance the story. I'm sure Ang and his crew made the movie to be watched over and over. Here's an example: in the wedding scene, Ennis is wearing a suit jacket and a pair of jeans, while his best man (presumably his brother K.E.) is wearing the pants of the suit.

I also have fun seeing the way ideas from the story were translated into the movie.

Maybe I am a Wyomingite at heart because, as Annie wrote, there, you have to "find your own fun."
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« Reply #146 on: November 14, 2008, 10:52:33 am »
Here's an example: in the wedding scene, Ennis is wearing a suit jacket and a pair of jeans, while his best man (presumably his brother K.E.) is wearing the pants of the suit.

Cool observation, FRiend! I never noticed that.


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #147 on: November 14, 2008, 11:04:15 am »
Cool observation, FRiend! I never noticed that.



That really is cool!  It's something I never noticed before either.  :)

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« Reply #148 on: November 14, 2008, 11:52:11 am »
Merci Front-Ranger !

It's great to read your post !

And maybe you can find out if that one standing besides him is his brother ?

And which person did buy those pants for the movie ?

And maybe which collector did purchase those pants that Ennis/Heath was wearing in that (his marriage) scene ?

You and everyone can have fun finding that out, maybe ?


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« Reply #149 on: November 14, 2008, 07:40:32 pm »
I read that recently in an interview with, not the costume designer Merit who died, but the person responsible for keeping the costumes in the trailer on the set. I'll track down the information.
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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #150 on: November 14, 2008, 07:43:19 pm »
Merci Front-Ranger !

I look forward to that !


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2008, 02:49:04 pm »
It is from an interview with Devora Brown, the costume truck supervisor:

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,16233.msg422068.html#msg422068
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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2008, 04:54:01 pm »
Merci Front-Ranger !

As you pointed out:
            Faces of Calgary Film
Calgary Herald
Published: Friday, April 18, 2008

- Name: Devora Brown

- Job: Costume designer/costume truck supervisor/stylist

- What do you do? "As a costume designer, I meet with the director and production designer to help figure out the overall look of the show, then buy and build the clothing. As costume truck supervisor I dress the actors."

- Largest number of costumes on one set: "On Jesse James we had hundreds and hundreds of extras -- they were dressing 500 people."

- Favourite wardrobe creation? "My favourite costume from a show was from Brokeback Mountain. The scene where Heath (Ledger) and Michelle (Williams) get married. Heath is wearing blue jeans and a suit jacket, and his best man is wearing the matching trousers of the two-piece suit. It is such lovely attention to detail."
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But who said this ? Not Devora Brown, right ?

It is indeed a lovely way of showing that Ennis and his brother were so poor that they could only afford to hire one wedding suit which they then divided between the two of them. However, before reading this interview, I'd never spotted this lovely detail of the divided suit.                   

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But I don't see this as fun ? Or should it have been fun somehow for  Ennis to borrow his brother's suit jacket ?  I presume that his brother had already a suite since he was married before Ennis was ?

Maybe the fun came when either Ennis as the actor decided that it would be more fun to have his brother's suit jacket, and his brother to wear the bottom pants of it ?? Or who had that idea ?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2008, 09:03:14 pm »

<img src="http://www.divshare.com/img/midsize/5970366-6f7.jpg" border="0" />

I thouhgt I'd post the image of Ennis and KE (apparently KE) sharing one suit at the wedding.

I think that Ennis's wedding scene is interesting enough to warrant it's own thread... so I think I'm going to start one here in Open Forum in a minute!
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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #154 on: November 30, 2008, 11:15:05 pm »
<img src="http://www.divshare.com/img/midsize/5970366-6f7.jpg" border="0" />

I thouhgt I'd post the image of Ennis and KE (apparently KE) sharing one suit at the wedding.

I think that Ennis's wedding scene is interesting enough to warrant it's own thread... so I think I'm going to start one here in Open Forum in a minute!
Thanks for starting that thread, friend Amanda!
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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #155 on: November 30, 2008, 11:26:06 pm »
Was that wedding ceremony fun ?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2008, 12:55:00 am »
I always smile at Ennis's "If I got lucky..." comment about the harmonica. Also,even though it's a sad scene, their last night at the campsite where Ennis talks of "putting the block to a waitress.." he's holding a Long Necked (phallic) bottle of "Old Rose" whiskey. It always puts me in mind of Aguirre's comment about "Stemming the Rose". Especially when Ennis puts it to his lips. I've always though that was some sly humor from the filmmakers. I smile too at the "I'm tired of your dumb ass missing". scene. When Ennis playfully shoves Jack it demonstrates his growing physical comfort with him. Sweet.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #157 on: December 16, 2008, 10:43:28 pm »
Merci!

Yes, wasn't that       harmonica          fun in many ways?


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #158 on: December 23, 2008, 04:06:39 pm »
Looking to check by seeing thruth in Brokeback Mountain movie... is fun for me!

Is it for you?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #159 on: December 23, 2008, 04:17:38 pm »
I think it´s just me, but i always giggle at one precise moment in the movie. It´s not even supposed to be funny. Like i said, it´s probably just me.

It´s the scene in the middle of the movie when Ennis and Alma argue and Ennis follows Alma down the stairs of their Riverton apartment. Ennis turns back to the apartment, stops, and ask his girls if "need a push or something." Ennis looks pouty, the girls look like the twins from The Shining and in that moment the very epic theme music starts to play.
And I start to giggle. Everytime. It´s the only point in the movie where I think they chose the wrong time to add music (and THAT music in particular), and instead it becomes funny.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #160 on: December 23, 2008, 04:22:11 pm »
Merci buffymon !

As I do not remember at all that scene,
may I ask you to add pics of it,
and /or url to find that?

Which url to find images of Brokeback Mountain?

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #161 on: December 27, 2008, 03:06:16 pm »
After Ennis shot the elk, jack, with glee, pushed him....and then Ennis shoves him back....nice tough of boys rough- housing in a playful spirit.

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #162 on: December 27, 2008, 03:23:57 pm »
After Ennis shot the elk, jack, with glee, pushed him....and then Ennis shoves him back....nice tough of boys rough- housing in a playful spirit.
Oh yeah,a classic scene!

Another scene where I often laugh is when Monroe cuts the thanksgiving turky, it really works to show what kind of person he is - practical, reliable, safe, boring

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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #163 on: December 28, 2008, 12:20:42 am »
Merci, that's thanks nagsheadsea412 !

I agree with you!

Remember also another similar scene?


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Re: To you, what is FUN for you in the BM movie?
« Reply #164 on: December 28, 2008, 12:21:54 am »
Merci buffymon !

I see but why add him as boring?

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