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An event mentioned in "Brokeback Mountain" the short story, today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher. lets remember those brave sailors who gave their lives for their country so long ago.

April 10, 2008 1:35 PM ET

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. (AP) - It was 45 years ago today that the nuclear submarine USS Thresher sank during sea trials out of the Portsmouth Naval shipyard, killing 129 men.

On April 10, 1963, the Thresher ran into trouble and radioed that it was trying to resurface. It never did, sinking to the bottom of the Atlantic, crushed by the enormous pressure.

A memorial service is being held Saturday at Traip Academy in Kittery, Maine.


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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2008, 01:43:17 am »
The Thresher was yesterdays featured article in the German wikipedia. I talked about it in the 1000+ Club.

Even after two years, reminders of BBM are everywhere....

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 03:45:39 am »
Crushed by the enormous pressure - wow, isn't this what happened to the boys, crushed by the enormous pressure of society's prejudice, despite Jack's attempts to resurface. Little did they know when they talked about it round the campfire that their destinies were going to be similar :'(

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 05:07:53 am »
I was a machinist stationed at NAVSUBASE Pearl Harbor from 1990 to 1994, and I was there for two historic anniversaries, the fiftieth observance of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the thirtieth of the loss of the USS Thresher. Of the two, it was the second that had a more direct impact on our lives--it was the Thresher disaster that led to the implementation of the QA system that governs all maintenance procedures on naval vessels, aircraft, and secondary materiel.
If I remember correctly, the boat had just undergone an overhaul of its hydraulic power plant--even though it had only been commissioned a year earlier, it had been depth tested continuously during that year, for it was the first of its class of nuclear subs. Testing on the wreckage revealed improperly brazed fittings in the engine room and metal chips left over from machining inside of seawater valves, either of which could have led to a catastrophic failure of the ship's controls.
The final report I believe is still classified, but it was and remains ultimately speculative, as there were no eyewitness accounts--the Thresher went to the bottom with all hands, 129 men, no survivors.
Something that was never far from our minds when we did any repair work or fabrication for any of the submarines.
Fair winds and following seas, shipmates.

    Eternal Father, Strong to save,
    Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
    Who bid'st the mighty Ocean deep
    Its own appointed limits keep;
    O hear us when we cry to thee,
    for those who serve beneath the sea.

    O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard
    And hushed their raging at Thy word,
    Who walked'st on the foaming deep,
    and calm amidst its rage didst sleep;
    Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
    For those who serve beneath the sea!

    Most Holy spirit! Who didst brood
    Upon the chaos dark and rude,
    And bid its angry tumult cease,
    And give, for wild confusion, peace;
    Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee
    For those who serve beneath the sea!

    Lord God, our power evermore,
    Who arm doth reach the ocean floor,
    Dive with our men beneath the sea;
    Traverse the depths protectively.
    O hear us when we pray, and keep
    them safe from peril in the deep.

    O Trinity of love and power!
    Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
    From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
    Protect them wheresoe'er they go;
    Thus evermore shall rise to Thee,
    Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.



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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2008, 12:32:00 pm »
    Eternal Father, Strong to save,
    Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
    Who bid'st the mighty Ocean deep
    Its own appointed limits keep;
    O hear us when we cry to thee,
    for those who serve beneath the sea.

    O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard
    And hushed their raging at Thy word,
    Who walked'st on the foaming deep,
    and calm amidst its rage didst sleep;
    Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
    For those who serve beneath the sea!

    Most Holy spirit! Who didst brood
    Upon the chaos dark and rude,
    And bid its angry tumult cease,
    And give, for wild confusion, peace;
    Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee
    For those who serve beneath the sea!

    Lord God, our power evermore,
    Who arm doth reach the ocean floor,
    Dive with our men beneath the sea;
    Traverse the depths protectively.
    O hear us when we pray, and keep
    them safe from peril in the deep.

    O Trinity of love and power!
    Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
    From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
    Protect them wheresoe'er they go;
    Thus evermore shall rise to Thee,
    Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.



"Eternal Father, Strong to Save": The Navy Hymn


And the tune is called Melita, named for the island where St. Paul was shipwrecked.

"They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters: These see the works of the Lord, and his wonders in the deep." --Psalm 107:23-24.
"It is required of every man that the spirit within him should walk abroad among his fellow-men, and travel far and wide."--Charles Dickens.

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2008, 12:39:47 pm »
Crushed by the enormous pressure - wow, isn't this what happened to the boys, crushed by the enormous pressure of society's prejudice, despite Jack's attempts to resurface. Little did they know when they talked about it round the campfire that their destinies were going to be similar :'(

Noelie!  Thank you so much for sharing this.  I've wondered before about Annie's intention in mentioning the Thresher, but never quite understood it.  I think this is extremely insightful.

Lynne
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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2008, 01:17:56 pm »
Thanks Lynne, :-*  just a guess, but it seems to fit somehow

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2008, 05:12:09 pm »
Crushed by the enormous pressure - wow, isn't this what happened to the boys, crushed by the enormous pressure of society's prejudice, despite Jack's attempts to resurface. Little did they know when they talked about it round the campfire that their destinies were going to be similar :'(

good point, they were "broken" like the Thresher by irresistable pressures.

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2008, 06:09:02 pm »
... and the last sound we hear for Jack is the metallic tire iron and he drowned in his own blood;

and the last sounds for Ennis are the 'scratching of fine gravel and sand' (like the bottom of the sea under the Thresher) and a 'load of dirt coming off a dump truck', (as if he was being buried alive)

- all reminiscent of the metallic and grinding sounds of the sinking/breaking submarine

Horrible

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2008, 06:14:54 pm »
... and the last sound we hear for Jack is the metallic tire iron and he drowned in his own blood;

and the last sounds for Ennis are the 'scratching of fine gravel and sand' (like the bottom of the sea under the Thresher) and a 'load of dirt coming off a dump truck', (as if he was being buried alive)

- all reminiscent of the metallic and grinding sounds of the sinking/breaking submarine

Horrible

again, good on point observations! I just keep learning new ways of appreciating Annie Proux. You must be an instructor specializing in the American short story.   :)

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2008, 06:22:49 pm »
"chewing gum and duct tape"

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2008, 06:33:43 pm »
again, good on point observations! I just keep learning new ways of appreciating Annie Proux. You must be an instructor specializing in the American short story.   :)

How did you guess?  ;)

Lol OilfieldFriend :-* I have hardly read any American literature at all (blushes in shame). Now I see what I've been missing. Yet another side-effect of BBM...

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2008, 06:47:11 pm »
How did you guess?  ;)

Lol OilfieldFriend :-* I have hardly read any American literature at all (blushes in shame). Now I see what I've been missing. Yet another side-effect of BBM...

how could you miss out on being dunked in American literature in school?  :laugh:

are you in the US?  if not, where are you. just curious, as you really seem to have an excellent grasp AP's writing style.

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2008, 06:56:15 pm »
I was dunked into littérature française instead, cos' I am French. I have lived all my adult life in the UK, though.

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 07:01:17 pm »
you should PM "Artiste", he speaks mostly French.  :)

what part of the UK? I have relatives in Scotland and Ulster, and have visited Britain several times. 

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 07:05:17 pm »
South west, not far from Bristol. Just been to Scotland last weekend, it's beautiful up there... but so cold, brrrr !!!

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2008, 09:54:40 pm »
Why did Annie mention it in her story?

The gay of the two gay tough old birds, the one who was murdered, he was hurt by horrible pressures of those criminals who tortured him removing his testicals... but no one wants to talk about that? No one prefers to think that could happen to him or her !!

So is life... is like that ship or torture for Annie?

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2008, 01:28:44 pm »

Ooops sorry guys.  Getting here way late.  Anyway FWIW

... and the last sound we hear for Jack is the metallic tire iron and he drowned in his own blood;
Looking up and hoping for rescue maybe, also like the crew.

Quote
and the last sounds for Ennis are the 'scratching of fine gravel and sand' (like the bottom of the sea under the Thresher) and a 'load of dirt coming off a dump truck', (as if he was being buried alive)
Doesn't a trailer  remind you of a sub?  The "curved length" of  metal etc.

Nevermore - thanks for that post.  Always interesting to hear somebody who knows what they're talking about can give some additional information.   :D

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2008, 03:17:31 pm »
Noelie!  Thank you so much for sharing this.  I've wondered before about Annie's intention in mentioning the Thresher, but never quite understood it.  I think this is extremely insightful.

Lynne
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I think AP has a mind like a steel trap (would that make her mystically connnected with you, Lynne?) and every word she writes is for a reason, we may not always recognize it right away, but in time it becomes apparent.

May these brave people rest in peace.
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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2010, 10:07:42 pm »
I'm reviving this thread, as I heard a reference to the Thresher today. 

Today, I heard a piece on NPR about a new book called "Letters to Jackie" about the hundreds of thousands  of condolence letters written to Jackie Kennedy in 1963. 

The author, Ellen Fitzpatrick, then noted that she herself had received a letter of condolence from JFK after her husband died in the Thresher, which sank off Cape Cod. 

She had heard about the tragedy from Walter Cronkite, just as many heard about JFK's death from his lips.

Also, I didn't know that the Kingston Trio recorded a song about it:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=882mvUlwXNc[/youtube]

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2010, 10:18:02 pm »
Thank you, Paul.

I never think of this passage without remembering a Russian (Soviet?) sub - I will have to look up the name - that sank some years ago. They said rescue was impossible but I've always wondered if they meant fiscally imprudent. For what seemed an interminable time, they heard taps indicating the crew was alive.
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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2010, 05:22:00 am »
Crushed by the enormous pressure - wow, isn't this what happened to the boys, crushed by the enormous pressure of society's prejudice, despite Jack's attempts to resurface. Little did they know when they talked about it round the campfire that their destinies were going to be similar :'(
I´ve always wondered about her mentioning of the accident. This makes perfect sense. Chrusing pressure indeed.

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2010, 05:23:10 am »
... and the last sound we hear for Jack is the metallic tire iron and he drowned in his own blood;

and the last sounds for Ennis are the 'scratching of fine gravel and sand' (like the bottom of the sea under the Thresher) and a 'load of dirt coming off a dump truck', (as if he was being buried alive)

- all reminiscent of the metallic and grinding sounds of the sinking/breaking submarine

Horrible
another interesting interpretation. But it makes me sick thinking about it. :-\

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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2010, 09:34:42 am »
The Kursk is the submarine accident I'm remembering:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_K-141_Kursk

And here's an article about the Thresher:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thresher_(SSN-593)

Items that might be of Brokeback Mountain interest:

Its motto was Vis Tacita (Silent Strength) - sounds a lot like Ennis to me.

Ballard's [the man who searched for and found the Titanic] robotic survey discovered that Thresher had sunk so deep it imploded, turning into thousands of pieces.

implode - to cause to burst or collapse inward - We see Ennis collapsing inward at the lake scene

thresher - a farm machine for separating seeds or grain from the husks and straw

Things to think about...
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Re: today is the 45th anniversary of the sinking of the USS Thresher
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2010, 08:57:31 pm »
There are some very pithy insights here.
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