Author Topic: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes  (Read 8726 times)

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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2006, 10:29:45 am »
Thanks, Mikaela.  This is just how I see it.  And what I mean by their time spent in silence together being "not uncomfortable."  I think some kind of understanding must have transpired between them, too, because like you I see Jack as not being surprised or overly relieved when Ennis enters the tent, but seeming to be thoughtfully expecting it - just giving him the time he needs, as you said.
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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2006, 11:38:05 am »
I haven't read the other script, but it makes much more sense to me if it's just one day. It's hard enough to imagine how things would have gone between them for even a few hours, let alone days. And although there aren't any time markers, the fact that there aren't suggests that the single-day appearance is intentional. Also, both men look eager enough in TS2 that it's hard to imagine them biding their time for that long.

The scene on the hillside is tense, but that conversation may serve to ease the tension. Ennis gets to state the groundrules: one-shot thing, not queer. He's reassured when Jack agrees and reminds him that it can be their own little secret in this secluded spot (nobody's business but ours).

So I imagine the time between hillside and TS2 as being quiet but more relaxed. They may not exchange many words, but they've reached an understanding: "without saying anything about it, they both knew this is how it would go for the rest of the summer, sheep be damned." Well, they wouldn't be entirely relaxed -- there'd be lots of sexual tension and anticipation. But not as much fear on Ennis' part.


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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2006, 08:17:13 pm »
I also like how you mentioned, JP, that the first tent scene is not just rough sex.  I never understand how some people seem to see it as only that.  I see the hands on each other's faces and the foreheads touching as being very tender.  Jack also looks very deeply into Ennis' eyes as if to ask permission, and Ennis looks deeply back as if to grant it.  There's no forcing of anything on anyone.  It's just the shape such a lurking passion and lust as theirs takes sometimes when you finally throw caution to the wind and just go for it.  Add to that the fact that at least in Ennis' case, this is the general passion he's had and been repressing all his adolescent life, and KA-BOOM.  Makes perfect sense to me.  But like Katherine said, I do think the second tent scene is imperative, too, to show that what truly underlies the passion and lust in their case is love.

Yup, I agree that the first tent scene is much more than rough sex.  I think this is why we're all fixating on the "hand holding"  or even the way that Ennis has his arm around Jack's waist... because these things point to a level of intimacy and caring.  I think you're right too, that the little things like Ennis stroking Jack's hair and the amount of time they spend looking at each other mean that a kind of unspoken communication is happening.

About the problem of how much time passes between scenes... You're all right, that there really isn't a concrete reason to know how much time goes by,  but
I think the urgency of this situation wouldn't allow it to be more than the consecutive day/night scenario.  I mean Jack couldn't even wait a whole day to have the conversation with Ennis.  No, I think it would have driven them both nuts to try to leave the issue on the "back burner" for even one night.  So, here's a tiny, tiny, tiny detail that I've always noticed right at the end of their chat on the hill top.  Jack sort of taps his toes together a little bit as he lies there... to me it always looks a bit like a minute sign that some of the tension really has been released.

I have always assumed that, not only did Ennis know Jack would welcome it, but that tacitly they both expected it and knew that each other expected it, too.
 

Yes, I think they both could read through the lines of that chat on the hill top.  They had to get the "pleasantries" behind them and make their excuses and posture a bit for one another, but they still both knew what they wanted for real.  I love how this is handled in the book... "without saying anything about it both knew how it would go for the rest of the summer, sheep be damned.  As it did go."  Even though we see the boys talking about their situation right off the bat in the film, I think the filmmakers do a great job conveying (in some mysterious and subtle way) that they still both knew exactly what would happen that night, what they both wanted, etc..  And, they didn't need to talk about that aspect of things to know the truth or to know how they would proceed.  The abrupt jump from the chat to the SNIT helps show that their silent/ inarticulate actions are quite a bit more frank and honest than their conversation will allow at this point.


The contrast between what happens following FNIT and SNIT is amazing too when you think of it.  After the first night, we witness this slow, drawn-out sequence all about tension and confusion.  But, after the SNIT we see the happy tussle.  I've been convinced on other threads that the happy tussle really does happen some time later than the literal morning after SNIT.  But, the way the scenes are edited to appear adjacent to each other certainly helps promote the idea of contrast between the two scenes.
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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2006, 09:51:10 am »
I agree with you, latjoreme, on the "one-shot thing" conversation happening on the day after TS1. And also about the conversation clearing the air and establishing their roles and their understanding. I especially love how everything occurs in twos in this film, not only the characters and things but also the actions. This reminds me of the lassoing that Jack did on the last day on the mountain, and how we were going to compare it to TS1 and TS2. To do so, I need to watch the film again...it has been almost a month since I've seen it!
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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2006, 08:10:54 pm »
I need to watch the film again...it has been almost a month since I've seen it!

Heya Lee, well get yerself to a DVD player pronto!  I can't imagine going a month without watching BBM!  I can usually hold out for a week, but after that I've got no resistance.
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Yeah, it is interesting that things tend to happen in pairs, or symmetrically or at least repeatedly in the movie.  Some of this would lead right back into the "ink-blot"/ bookend discussions.  I'd say that the sweetness of TS2 is echoed by the cuddling in the motel and then again (maybe) in the last tent scene in its quietness... just showing us Ennis sleeping peacefully with Jack in his arms.  And, likewise, the sort of raw passion of TS1 is echoed in the reunion kiss.  The speed in which those two encounters happen make them seem related too.  But, both TS1 and the reunion also each contain a touch of sweetness because in both cases Ennis caresses Jack's face/ head and ear... and because of the hand-holding in TS1 too, etc. 

One of my favorite differences between TS1 and TS2 is the issue of who's on top. [insert non-existent blushing smilie here].  Since I do believe that the two scenes happened consecutively, it's just amazing to me to note the change in tone from one to the other.
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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2006, 01:35:53 am »
[insert non-existent blushing smilie here]. 

 :laugh:

The two smileys that I would often find very useful that don't exist are blushing and drooling. They both would come in handy on this thread!

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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2006, 10:01:31 pm »
The two smileys that I would often find very useful that don't exist are blushing and drooling. They both would come in handy on this thread!

LOL, well Katherine in your lofty role as moderator, maybe you could lobby with the powers-that-be to see about rounding up some more/ new smilies.
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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2006, 11:43:51 am »
I especially love the second tent scene because Ennis is in such a vulnerable state, but at the same time it is so clear that it is in Jack's arms that he feels SAFE, that's such a huge thing, and the whole scene exudes that, this is where the viewer becomes convinced that these two men belong together, that they only have each other and that they only feel safe and are able to be vulnerable in each other's arms.

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OMG - will we ever get enough of this scene?

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Re: Ode to the First and Second Tent Scenes
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2006, 02:01:53 pm »
OMG - will we ever get enough of this scene?

NO.