Author Topic: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll  (Read 3184770 times)

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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6190 on: November 03, 2006, 10:49:28 pm »
Ricardo Montalban used to do those campy Chrysler Cordoba commercials bragging about the fine (albeit optional) Corinthian Leather.      The leather was real, not that fake naugahyde stuff.   

This was before Ricardo starred in Star Trek III, the Wrath of Khan.  Then Chrysler dropped him and switched to using fine "Mark Cross" leather.    ;)

Thank God we have a car enthusiast who can set us all straight. Chyrsler Cordoba, Corinthian leather. Got it. Thanks, David.

Now, is there anyone who remembers the PG-13 rated movie that says Fuck only once?

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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6191 on: November 03, 2006, 10:53:51 pm »
Gee, I don't know. Betty, a new reader of the Saga, just finished "Taking Chances" and said it had too much sex in it!  Maybe I need to write less sex.

Just want to clarify: I'm not this Betty. I have found the sex in these volumes to be quite, um, educational. Yes, that's it: educational. I'm all for learning new things.

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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6192 on: November 03, 2006, 11:15:27 pm »
Wow... you have got a good memory. I don't recall that bit. Then again, my rock 'n' roll lifestyle is taking it's toll on my brain cells.

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Talking of rock 'n' roll - Maybe Ennis has disco deafness!
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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6193 on: November 03, 2006, 11:34:37 pm »

2.  How many times was the word fuck spoken in BBM?  I know Jack said at their last meeting by the lake.  Did he say at the Thanksgiving fiasco?  Did Ennis ever say it?  I can't recall, darn it!

I am actually reading the 31 March 2004 draft of the screenplay and I believe the first "fuck" in the movie is uttered by Aguirre, when he is talking on the phone and says, "No. No. Not on your fuckin' life."

I need to find one of those websites that counts word utterances for the total number after that.

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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6194 on: November 03, 2006, 11:50:17 pm »
Laramie – A Lovers’ Tale

Laramie is a peaceful town
Its people love to wander
up and down its sunny streets
Their hearts grow ever fonder

The people here are just plain folks
who like a beer and cracking jokes
To chill out in the morning sun
and just enjoy a little fun

Down the road in Riverton
there lives another breed
that frets and fumes
its angst consumes
and on itself appears to feed

They cast dark looks upon their neighbour
from their bustling town
Hurling curses as they labour
to bring old Laramie down

While on the surface Riverton
seems welcoming and friendly
Underneath that beaming smile
lurks bitterness and bile

The town locked Ennis in his trailer
ever doomed to grief
For him to smile was deemed a crime
there never was a place or time
so lacking in belief

The general feeling in the town
is Ennis had no hope
He’d drink and grieve and find some work
mucking out for Scrope

They can’t conceive
that he would leave
his hopelessness behind
On a journey to discover
what was always on his mind

To find out more about the life
that he had feared and lost
The kind of life that Jack had known
that came at such a cost

And so a shrine to loss was built
It was a great endeavour
And a new faith was proclaimed
Two lovers paired forever

But love can never be restricted
People’s lives thus so afflicted
Love had never really left
nor would Ennis stay bereft

Ennis set out on his journey
reaching out for Jack
On the road to Laramie
he never once looked back

For Ennis found that hope returns
through pain and loss that sears and burns
The love that shone in Jack’s sweet face
he found in Ellery’s warm embrace

Even though through ridicule
some seek to blight this story
Ennis lives to tell the tale
of loss and new love’s glory

And we who read this lovers’ tale
remember how the boys’ travail
in Brokeback made their lives a hell
And so refuse to hate as well
those people who would see him fail

Let’s all remember that the aim
of Annie’s tale was not to blame
nor hate that which we cannot see
nor loathe instead of disagree

Hope in the heart burns like a flame
that purges grief and blame
An endless love that’s pure and free
for all of us in Laramie

« Last Edit: November 04, 2006, 08:01:28 am by magicmountain »
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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6195 on: November 04, 2006, 12:02:24 am »
Re: Laramie - A Lover's Tale

Wow!  That was amazing and wonderful.
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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6196 on: November 04, 2006, 12:06:15 am »
Jo, you rock!  The following quoted paragraph is particularly true, too bad many people neglected this and put their emphasis on other aspects of the story.

-QUOTE-
Let’s all remember that the aim
of Annie’s tale was not to blame
nor hate that which we cannot see
nor loathe instead of disagree
-UNQUOTE-

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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6197 on: November 04, 2006, 12:34:32 am »
Lots of fine leathers are known by the specific type of  animal hides used and the curing process used in tanning them, and where they come from.
Corinthian leather is imported,  processed from Corinth Italy.
And the same is true of Cordobian leathers coming from Cordoba Spain.
So depending on what you are using the leather for it could have come from either place, and/or lots of places.


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I don't know what to make of this last chapter, first the kid is way too stupid to actually work in a DA's office, vandalism??, breaking windows, and thinking nothing is going to happen to him?? Or that they won't take action against him??  Now he'll have a record and will be less help to his family than before.
ANd according to past chapters--IF his father is Ellery's old partner Esteban, Ellery said they worked well together and he was transferred,(we don't know how voluntary I guess) he didn't lose his job, unless Ellery(and us) doesn't know the whole story.   When I re read, the only people who actually lost their job were the rednecks that wouldn't work with Ellery-and that wasn't Esteban--so I am not getting what the kids motivation seems to be or why now, considering if he was bent this way, he has known where Ellery is for years.

What am I missing???
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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6198 on: November 04, 2006, 01:27:02 am »
Jo, Laramie - A Lovers' Tale was beautiful.  I'm accustomed to your poems that have me laughing out loud, and now I discover that you can do serious and poignant, too.  You have a real talent.  (Have you ever written a fanfic, or considered it? I would definitely read it.)
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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #6199 on: November 04, 2006, 01:34:05 am »
Laurel, in the Hugh Hugh Hugh thread is long-haired Hugh in full length black leather pants.  I think that might suit you!
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What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger.   -Annie Proulx (Icon by alighttofollow)